WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Molded from Klay

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<v Speaker 1>The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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<v Speaker 2>Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break? Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you ready for a break?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>Ready for a break?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so much for that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Nick Harris, and Derek Eagleton.

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<v Speaker 5>It is Wednesday, February nineteenth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty,

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<v Speaker 5>episode number one oh three.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.

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<v Speaker 5>We are live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at

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<v Speaker 3>Man, it feels like forever since we've been on the air.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it kind of has forever since we've been on

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<v Speaker 5>there two weeks to be exactly. We were out last week,

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<v Speaker 5>but this week we are back, not whether or notwithstanding

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of things going on last week.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, we were here last week.

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<v Speaker 6>We were here.

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<v Speaker 3>We're here last week.

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<v Speaker 6>It was the two weeks before that, well at least

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<v Speaker 6>for me.

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<v Speaker 2>First, Nick we have to look at camera. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>now focus on.

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<v Speaker 3>But it still feels like it feels like a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not doing it daily.

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<v Speaker 5>It always feels like it's it takes forever to get

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<v Speaker 5>back around to another episode. We got a lot we're

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<v Speaker 5>going to talk about today. We got to mix a

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<v Speaker 5>mix in a few different topics here. Assistant coaches for

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<v Speaker 5>the Cowboys talked yesterday. We'll talk about that a little bit,

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<v Speaker 5>some of the things that stood out there. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit too about franchise tags. That's gonna the

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<v Speaker 5>window open yesterday. Cowboys and every other team in the

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<v Speaker 5>NFL have until March fourth to decide on that if

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<v Speaker 5>they're going to be a play, if there will be

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<v Speaker 5>a player that they will use a fan franchise tag.

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<v Speaker 5>And we'll talk about that, and then we'll get some

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<v Speaker 5>draft previews Brian and Nick. We're going to try to

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<v Speaker 5>do this every episode now in the draft, let you

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<v Speaker 5>guys kind of give us a little taste of the

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<v Speaker 5>kinds of things you're talking about over on the Draft Show. Today,

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<v Speaker 5>we'll focus in on a couple of players that we

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<v Speaker 5>think are should be or could be targets for the

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<v Speaker 5>Cowboys in the first round and let you guys give

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<v Speaker 5>us some breakdowns there.

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<v Speaker 3>We may even get to a little Yetny time with ag.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll sew that goes if we get some time. We

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<v Speaker 5>got fan questions also lined up. We got so much

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<v Speaker 5>stuff we can hit today, so we'll see how far

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<v Speaker 5>we get into this. As Amber always says, we'll only

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<v Speaker 5>get to about half of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was about to say false promises around here.

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<v Speaker 3>So that will only mean that my show Rundown is

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<v Speaker 3>ready for next week.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, let's start first with the assistant coaches they

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<v Speaker 5>spoke yesterday. I know everybody had a chance to look

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<v Speaker 5>at some of the different information or look at some

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<v Speaker 5>of the quotes that came out of that. Was there

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<v Speaker 5>anything particular that stood out to you as you looked

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<v Speaker 5>at that, or as you listen to those coaches talk

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<v Speaker 5>that you think that impressed you in some way?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I would like to start with Clayton Adams, just

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<v Speaker 7>because I think there's more intrigue in him than any

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<v Speaker 7>of the other coordinators or assistants. I give the caveat

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<v Speaker 7>of Evraflus just because he is the former head coach

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<v Speaker 7>in the building, but Clayton Adams, I was really intrigued

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<v Speaker 7>to see what he had to say, and he definitely

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<v Speaker 7>backed that up. I wrote down a few notes that

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<v Speaker 7>I thought were interesting from him. We could start with

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<v Speaker 7>the quote that stood out to me more than any

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<v Speaker 7>of them, and the fifteen minute availability he had is

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<v Speaker 7>how can we be multiple?

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<v Speaker 6>How can we be different?

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<v Speaker 7>And I think that is a key philosophy that this

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<v Speaker 7>team needed last year, it needed probably.

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<v Speaker 6>The last two years.

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<v Speaker 7>And if they can figure out how to marry that

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<v Speaker 7>concept with what Schottenheimer already has in place, that'd be huge.

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<v Speaker 7>And what does that mean? That means being creative in

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<v Speaker 7>the run game? In Clayton Adams's case, it includes pre

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<v Speaker 7>snap motion, which Brian Schottenheimer has talked about many times

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<v Speaker 7>how that helps in the past game. That was the

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<v Speaker 7>quote that really stood out to me. And then there

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<v Speaker 7>was a question asked as well about Clayton Adams. He

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<v Speaker 7>comes from the Cardinals, he was the offensive line coach

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<v Speaker 7>there for a few years. He obviously had Kyler Murray

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<v Speaker 7>running the ball behind him. Dak Prescott is not Kyler

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<v Speaker 7>Murray from a running perspective, but he was basically asked,

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<v Speaker 7>is there anything you would like to use with Dak

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<v Speaker 7>from a mobility standpoint, so that you can keep him

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<v Speaker 7>involved and you know, have that same type of offensive

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<v Speaker 7>concept move to Dallas. He said, if you're reading off

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<v Speaker 7>of a play, it takes a digit off the board. Defensively,

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<v Speaker 7>what does that mean? You have one player on the

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<v Speaker 7>defense that always has to be accounted for, Dak Prescott

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<v Speaker 7>on every snap. If the threat to run is there, Now,

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<v Speaker 7>what does that look like with Dak Prescott's health. That's

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<v Speaker 7>what we're gonna to figure out down the line. And

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<v Speaker 7>Clayton Adams said yesterday that you know, they're they're at

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<v Speaker 7>a period in time right now where they can't even

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<v Speaker 7>talk football with the players. They can really only introduce

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<v Speaker 7>themselves over text or call and say hey, you know

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<v Speaker 7>what's up. But once those football conversations start to come around,

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<v Speaker 7>maybe OTA's or mini camp, that's that's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 7>big one, just because you know, how healthy is Dak

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<v Speaker 7>Prescott's legs and they have four years that they need

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<v Speaker 7>to use Dak Prescott in so are they are they

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<v Speaker 7>willing to run him as much as they did in

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<v Speaker 7>twenty three or as much as they did, you know

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<v Speaker 7>prior to his injury in twenty and then the last thing.

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<v Speaker 7>And I don't want to take everything from my mansama

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<v Speaker 7>right here, but create violence, run hit. Everything we do

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<v Speaker 7>schematically needs to play into that.

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<v Speaker 6>That's the big one.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think if that can marry well with what

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<v Speaker 7>Schottenheimer does in the past game, if they can have

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<v Speaker 7>a little bit more violence, a little bit more toughness offensively,

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<v Speaker 7>then obviously it would transition over defensively as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Never say that you don't have a few words. You're

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<v Speaker 2>a man of not few words.

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<v Speaker 8>Sorry, I took a page out of my book at

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<v Speaker 8>that time, so thank you for what you did. Where

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<v Speaker 8>I think a mandate came down from I know, from

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<v Speaker 8>the offensive side of the ball. I heard the word toughness,

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<v Speaker 8>and we talk about toughness quite a bit, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think the mandate is to will McLay into.

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<v Speaker 8>These scouts and to the personnel guys and gallas that

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<v Speaker 8>work in this building, is that.

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<v Speaker 2>They need to get to be a tougher football team.

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<v Speaker 8>And that's you know, we talk about the violence and

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<v Speaker 8>things like that, but now you look at you you

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<v Speaker 8>have an idea. As a former person guy myself, if

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<v Speaker 8>I'm listening to these coaches talk and trying to get

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<v Speaker 8>an idea, get a pattern of what I'm hearing. It's

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<v Speaker 8>like we need to earmark tough football players, and it's

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<v Speaker 8>you know, to play this game, you have to be tough,

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<v Speaker 8>but there takes a little bit more of an inner toughness.

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<v Speaker 8>And we've seen this. This team has been good enough

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<v Speaker 8>to win division titles, has it been good enough to

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<v Speaker 8>win conference titles, get go through the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Tough teams do that. Tough mentally, tough physically.

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<v Speaker 8>I think the mandate from the coaches is we want

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<v Speaker 8>to be a tougher team. And so with that being said,

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<v Speaker 8>will McClay, the personnel folks over there, got their got

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<v Speaker 8>their marching orders, and I think you're going to see

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<v Speaker 8>a direction of that way going that way.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm right on board with you guys. With that

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<v Speaker 4>being the main thing that stood out to me during

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<v Speaker 4>his time with the media.

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<v Speaker 6>We talked about it last year.

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<v Speaker 4>You look at other teams around the NFL and we

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<v Speaker 4>talked about that whole point of how are these other

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<v Speaker 4>teams being more aggressive on the field, and it's something

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<v Speaker 4>that the Cowboys have and you don't see that same

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<v Speaker 4>type of aggressiveness when they're on the field playing and

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<v Speaker 4>offensively that's an area where it's highly needed, and right

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<v Speaker 4>now it's difficult for them to answer, like what is

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<v Speaker 4>exactly gonna look like because you still don't have all

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<v Speaker 4>your players yet, all your personnel in that area. We

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<v Speaker 4>got to wait until the draft and you start building

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<v Speaker 4>that roster. But the fact that that's the question that's

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<v Speaker 4>being asked in like with him coming in here and saying, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>that's a great area. How how are we gonna be

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<v Speaker 4>more violent? How are we gonna be more aggressively aggressive?

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<v Speaker 4>How are we going to allow these players to run

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<v Speaker 4>more free and be able to just hit and be

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<v Speaker 4>more violent in that way. So right now, again there's

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<v Speaker 4>not much that they can answer at this moment, but

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that those are the questions that are being presented,

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<v Speaker 4>the things that are being talked about, that's something that's

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<v Speaker 4>a positive when you that you want to hear because

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<v Speaker 4>we talked so much about just being very aggressive in

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<v Speaker 4>the passing game, in the run, being able. And something

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<v Speaker 4>that also stood out to me was the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>he talked so much about the offensive lineman, the lineman

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<v Speaker 4>and some of the things that they're looking to improve

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<v Speaker 4>in that area that we know that's a huge part

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<v Speaker 4>right there. We still don't know what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 4>at the running back position, but it all starts with

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<v Speaker 4>the line, and he mentioned that that's a high area

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<v Speaker 4>of focus for him coming in and just trying to

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<v Speaker 4>figure out what they do there with the offensive line.

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<v Speaker 5>So I hear violence a lot when we're talking here.

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<v Speaker 5>My question as I was listening to some of those

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<v Speaker 5>comments is is violence is the ability to be more

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<v Speaker 5>violent more you know, I don't know, to be able

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<v Speaker 5>to push your opponent around. Is that really something that

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<v Speaker 5>a coach can create or is that really about the

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<v Speaker 5>player and the player having to have that mental makeup

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<v Speaker 5>to just be that type of player.

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<v Speaker 8>I think it's some mentality. But I also think that

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<v Speaker 8>when you evaluate your team, you can weed out who

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<v Speaker 8>you feel like, okay, when it comes to mental toughness

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<v Speaker 8>or physical toughness, these are the players that we can

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<v Speaker 8>surely hang our hats on. I think that they're going

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<v Speaker 8>to be. I think this defensive unit is going to

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<v Speaker 8>look remarkably different from what we've seen the last couple

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<v Speaker 8>of years. I think it's different scheme wise, and I

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<v Speaker 8>think it's going to look different personnel wise, just because

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<v Speaker 8>of how players come and go the situation that the

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<v Speaker 8>Cowboys are up against with their cap in some areas.

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<v Speaker 8>So I think that to me, now this is the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 8>As I mentioned earlier, this personnel department now has the

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<v Speaker 8>task of going out and getting that those type of players.

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<v Speaker 8>The players we saw a tough mentality in the early

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<v Speaker 8>nineties with Jimmy Johnson. That was a tough If you

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<v Speaker 8>ever went to a practice in Austin at Saint Ed's,

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<v Speaker 8>you saw toughness. You ever went to you know, some

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<v Speaker 8>of these practice, even adjacent Garrett practice, had elements of

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<v Speaker 8>toughness to it because of the way that they work

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<v Speaker 8>the players. So to work the players that way, you

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<v Speaker 8>have to be able to find players that can adapt

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<v Speaker 8>and and and welcome that kind of coaching, but play

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<v Speaker 8>with that kind of mentality.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of both as well. It's absolutely voaching and

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<v Speaker 3>it is and it's.

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<v Speaker 8>Not a ride defence thing because you know me, I

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<v Speaker 8>hate the ride defense. I want to give you an

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<v Speaker 8>answer one way or another. But they are now tasked

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<v Speaker 8>the personal guys. They're tasked to trying to find tougher players.

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<v Speaker 8>And like I said earlier, this game playing it is tough.

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<v Speaker 8>It's tough to play, but you have to have a

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<v Speaker 8>certain level of that little bit more toughness in order

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<v Speaker 8>to be that type of team that you want to be.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and it certainly doesn't happen overnight either. No, it's

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<v Speaker 7>it's it's gonna take some time. And that's where you

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<v Speaker 7>hope that this staff has the time to to really

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<v Speaker 7>enact that and put that in place, not only from

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<v Speaker 7>a personnel acquisition standpoint, but from a philosophy standpoint. Again,

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<v Speaker 7>it's not gonna happen overnight. It can't happen in one season.

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<v Speaker 7>So you know, if this staff remains in place for

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<v Speaker 7>three years, what does that look like compared to today?

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<v Speaker 4>I think sometimes you either have it or you don't.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, physically, yeah, you're gonna have some limitations there,

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<v Speaker 4>and some players might not be able to do the

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<v Speaker 4>same as others. But it helps a lot depending on

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<v Speaker 4>the voice that you have, the voice that you're listening to,

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<v Speaker 4>and somebody that brings that in and starts changing that culture.

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<v Speaker 4>Like you talk to me, and if I listen to

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<v Speaker 4>David Goggins, all of a sudden, I feel like I

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<v Speaker 4>can be a Navy seals and being that cold water

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<v Speaker 4>in the ocean, is that it's not actually gonna have

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<v Speaker 4>No I probably quit after two seconds. But I think

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<v Speaker 4>the voice that you have it's highly important. It creates

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<v Speaker 4>and it has this thing where it's contagious and everybody

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<v Speaker 4>else around you. I think it starts making you tougher.

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<v Speaker 4>And when you see somebody else trying to be tougher,

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<v Speaker 4>you yourself. You want to be able to keep up

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<v Speaker 4>and try to keep up. So I think it's maybe

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<v Speaker 4>not with every single player it's gonna be that instance,

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<v Speaker 4>because again everyone's physically different, but it's a start and

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<v Speaker 4>towards the right direction and trying to change the mentality

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<v Speaker 4>and the whole culture inside the locker room.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I think you getting a real quick Derek give

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<v Speaker 8>I think you get a situation. For examples of last

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<v Speaker 8>year's team. I don't think Zach Martin was perfect at

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<v Speaker 8>all health wise, we all understand that. But Zach Martin,

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<v Speaker 8>future Hall of Fame player, playing through injury. That's an

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<v Speaker 8>element of toughness. And if you're you know, brock Hoffman,

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<v Speaker 8>and you're Tyler Smith and your other guys and you're

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<v Speaker 8>watching what he's going through and playing, it's not perfect,

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<v Speaker 8>but you get that element of like what.

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<v Speaker 2>It takes to go out there and play every day.

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<v Speaker 8>And I think those are the types of examples that

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<v Speaker 8>you need to get on this football team. We talk

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<v Speaker 8>about this. Every time that you play the forty nine ers.

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<v Speaker 8>You feel like you feel like that you're not tougher

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<v Speaker 8>than them. There's a certain element to this, and it's

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<v Speaker 8>one thing to talk about it. It's one thing to

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<v Speaker 8>execute it. They're talking about it right now. They need

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<v Speaker 8>to make sure that they execute it. But that's through

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<v Speaker 8>the players.

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<v Speaker 5>and maybe what the advantages could be for the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 5>if they decided to go that way.

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<v Speaker 5>let's talk about the franchise tag. That window open yesterday.

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<v Speaker 5>It'll run through March fourth, Just so you have an

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<v Speaker 5>idea of what the schedule looks like. Free agency, the

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<v Speaker 5>That all being said, let's talk specifically about the franchise tag.

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<v Speaker 5>In my opinion, O SOO DIGGI Zua is probably the

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<v Speaker 5>most likely candidate, if win anyone, to be franchised by

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<v Speaker 5>the Cowboys. And I say if anyone, because there's a

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<v Speaker 5>good chance the Cowboys don't use franchise tag. But I'd

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<v Speaker 5>like each of you to give me the best reason

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<v Speaker 5>you can come up with as to why Dallas should

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<v Speaker 5>use the franchise tag. On osa should should, we'll get

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<v Speaker 5>to the should not, but let's talk about the should.

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<v Speaker 7>I think should you get consistency at that three tech spot,

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<v Speaker 7>and you want as much consistency as possible, I think

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<v Speaker 7>from a personnel standpoint, so that you're not having to

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<v Speaker 7>marry so much change personnel wise, with so much change

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<v Speaker 7>already coming schematically, are you willing to pay a little

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<v Speaker 7>bit more than what he would probably get on the

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<v Speaker 7>open market per year if you were franchise tag? That's

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<v Speaker 7>gonna be the question, how much is consistency on that

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<v Speaker 7>defensive line important to you as a personnel guy.

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<v Speaker 6>So I think that would probably be the strong case

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<v Speaker 6>for why.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I think the why would be because we finally

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<v Speaker 8>have got to the point where you drafted a player,

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<v Speaker 8>you've developed him, and now you're starting to see the

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<v Speaker 8>benefits from the development. There were times where I kind

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<v Speaker 8>of felt like, oh, soo DIGGI Zua was a really

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<v Speaker 8>good college player, and I mean a good college player

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<v Speaker 8>because he was playing like thirteen games, but it was

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<v Speaker 8>week fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen that you were kind

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<v Speaker 8>of looking like, Okay, where did this player go? He

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<v Speaker 8>plays so hard, he got wre down. You know, there

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<v Speaker 8>were some struggles there the last month season, but he

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<v Speaker 8>was able to play through all the season as a

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<v Speaker 8>as a high level player, and you saw his ability

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<v Speaker 8>to tackle, You saw his ability to take on blockers,

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<v Speaker 8>you saw his ability as a pass rusher. You know,

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<v Speaker 8>there were so many things that he got better at.

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<v Speaker 8>So if you're interested in keeping that going forward and

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<v Speaker 8>seeing continued development, you know, you take that tag, you

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<v Speaker 8>put it on him for one year and you have

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<v Speaker 8>it and then you work from there so you don't

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<v Speaker 8>lose the opportunity to have a player that looks like

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<v Speaker 8>he's on the rise right now.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as a guy you developed.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't think personally, I don't think there's anyone

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<v Speaker 4>on the ruster that I would want to use the

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<v Speaker 4>franchise tag on. But if you're asking, and you're presenting

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<v Speaker 4>this case with OSA as to why they should and

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<v Speaker 4>why that would make sense money wise, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 4>But he's a guy just like they all said, you've

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<v Speaker 4>seen the way that he's developed. Right now, he's at

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<v Speaker 4>the best moment of his career. Last year he had

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<v Speaker 4>such a good year healthy knock on wood it says

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<v Speaker 4>that way, but he's been so he was so productive

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<v Speaker 4>on the field, And yes, anytime you see that, you

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<v Speaker 4>want to be able to keep that. You want to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to keep that consistency in the line. And

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<v Speaker 4>that would be one position to worry less about that

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<v Speaker 4>you have solidified. You have already so many other positions

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<v Speaker 4>that you have to address, and of course you want

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to keep a veteran guy like him

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<v Speaker 4>that continues to develop and improve. And right now, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think we've seen the ceiling for him. I think

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<v Speaker 4>he's continuing to show you what he brings to the

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<v Speaker 4>table and looking at Micah Parsons and figure out what

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<v Speaker 4>he has, what they're going to do with his contract

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<v Speaker 4>and all of that. But the combination of guy having

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<v Speaker 4>a guy like Micah and also also on that side,

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<v Speaker 4>we don't know what's going to happen with DeMarcus Lawrence

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<v Speaker 4>is another guy that's becoming a free agent. But those

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<v Speaker 4>are two guys that if you can keep them together

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<v Speaker 4>on the line, I mean, it's just going to make

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<v Speaker 4>your job easier when addressing these other positions.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll say this.

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<v Speaker 5>The thing that stands out to me that I think

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<v Speaker 5>would be a benefit of a franchise tag for him

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<v Speaker 5>is I think we've seen, as Brian said, this.

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<v Speaker 3>Development over the years.

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<v Speaker 5>I think he's gotten appreciably better each year, and quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 5>I think he was the best last year.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see what the ceiling is.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to see if last year was more about

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<v Speaker 5>a contract year, I kind of want to see one

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<v Speaker 5>more year of it to see what's his real ceiling here?

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<v Speaker 16>Right?

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<v Speaker 5>And could you be on the cusp of a really

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<v Speaker 5>great defensive tackle that you've developed to this point and

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<v Speaker 5>now he goes somewhere else and he's one of the best.

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<v Speaker 3>In the league, that would really.

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<v Speaker 5>Upset me, right, So I'm like, franchise tack allows me

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<v Speaker 5>to get at least one more year to think, to

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<v Speaker 5>know what I think of him long term and feel

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<v Speaker 5>more secure in whatever that evaluation is, and then be

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<v Speaker 5>willing to if you want to go all in and

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<v Speaker 5>be able to give him that deal, then you give

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<v Speaker 5>him that deal.

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<v Speaker 3>But that one more year.

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<v Speaker 5>I think could be helpful for somebody like him who

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<v Speaker 5>has gotten better every year, but last year I think

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<v Speaker 5>made a big jump. I want to see if he

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<v Speaker 5>can sustain that through another year before I would pay

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<v Speaker 5>him the big money.

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<v Speaker 4>But do you have the money to be able to

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<v Speaker 4>make a decision like that for the team? It just

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't seem like it's a good position to place a

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<v Speaker 4>franchise tag or on a guy like him or anybody

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<v Speaker 4>else on the team in my opinion. Well, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>like when you look at the again, I'm not the

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<v Speaker 4>salary cap and expert over here, but all one thing

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<v Speaker 4>I know is the Cowboys are struggling with money right now,

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<v Speaker 4>and it just doesn't seem like the smartest thing to

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<v Speaker 4>do this year. And with a guy like him, you

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<v Speaker 4>talk about wanting to see one more year. I think

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<v Speaker 4>he's had a solid career. Last year was the best

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<v Speaker 4>one he's had yet. Personally, I don't feel like I

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<v Speaker 4>need to see more. I just want to keep him here,

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<v Speaker 4>and if that means a long term deal, then so

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<v Speaker 4>be it.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, and get me wrong, if you can get a

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<v Speaker 5>long term deal that makes sense, then great. A long

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<v Speaker 5>term deal is always better because you get to take

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<v Speaker 5>that money to extrapolate the signing bonus over the years

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<v Speaker 5>of the contract, or you could backload the contract. You

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<v Speaker 5>can give yourself some cap relief. I think those things

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<v Speaker 5>are all positive. I guess the way I look at it, though,

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<v Speaker 5>is there are ways that the Cowboys can create salary

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<v Speaker 5>cap for this upcoming year. If they feel like that's

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<v Speaker 5>an important piece, and he's an important piece, I think

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<v Speaker 5>they could probably do it.

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<v Speaker 10>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>It's probably not profitable to do a franchise tag because

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<v Speaker 5>again it is one year and all that's going to

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<v Speaker 5>hit your cap in that one year. But I just

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<v Speaker 5>I like the idea of being able to again, if

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<v Speaker 5>I'm giving an argument asked to why if I can't

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<v Speaker 5>do a long term deal with him, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 5>Keeping him around for another year so that I can

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<v Speaker 5>get a better feel for what his long term value

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<v Speaker 5>is to me would be an advantage.

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<v Speaker 7>The thing that I struggle with on using the franchise

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<v Speaker 7>tag on him is that franchise tag number would be

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<v Speaker 7>a twenty three and a half million, give or takes

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<v Speaker 7>twenty three point four to six a, so twenty three

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<v Speaker 7>and a half.

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<v Speaker 6>This team has suffered from not having.

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<v Speaker 7>Depth, and you need depth going into this next seas

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<v Speaker 7>So do you spend that twenty three and a half

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<v Speaker 7>million dollars on a sure thing at three Tech? Granted you,

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<v Speaker 7>as you mentioned, you know it was a it felt

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<v Speaker 7>like a college player at times because you disappear in

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<v Speaker 7>November December.

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<v Speaker 2>But played well, played really well.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, played really well this past season, so you have

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<v Speaker 7>one good year under your belt. How confident do you

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<v Speaker 7>feel that he can play up to a twenty three

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<v Speaker 7>and a half million dollar value?

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<v Speaker 6>Do you do that?

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<v Speaker 7>Or do you go re sign Carl Last and Chauncey

0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:27.040
<v Speaker 7>Golston Jordan Lewis I mean, et cetera, et cetera at

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<v Speaker 7>Chumay Dooga. If you want an extra offensive lineman for

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<v Speaker 7>that same amount of price, and probably still have some

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<v Speaker 7>money left over, and you're dealing with the defensive tackle

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<v Speaker 7>class in this draft that is really strong. You can

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<v Speaker 7>go find a three tech.

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<v Speaker 3>So and there's our answer to why you shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 8>There's the answer, not anything you have to do with

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<v Speaker 8>the player, but it all has to do with the

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<v Speaker 8>players that are potentially available at the three technique.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is you know.

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<v Speaker 8>When you start to talk about the edge class, the

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<v Speaker 8>defensive tackle class, whether it's the one techniques, the three techniques,

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<v Speaker 8>these are the ones that are that are on the

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<v Speaker 8>board for your right there.

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<v Speaker 2>So that would be if it was a really weak class.

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<v Speaker 8>Say say this was say that we had this question

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<v Speaker 8>about Eric Kendricks, Say you know, okay, Eric Kendricks played

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<v Speaker 8>the level like, would you franchise tag Eric Kendricks? You know,

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<v Speaker 8>just I'm using him as an example, you would say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>I would absolutely consider it. Because the depth of the

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<v Speaker 8>linebacker class in this draft is not as deep as

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<v Speaker 8>it is with the defensive tackles or the edges. So

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<v Speaker 8>that's the biggest reason why I think I would move

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<v Speaker 8>on for most And I think Nick made an excellent

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<v Speaker 8>point about could I earmark that money for other positions

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<v Speaker 8>and don't let all this depth that you've developed the

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<v Speaker 8>last three years just completely walk out this building.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh right, let me ask you guys this. Since we've

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<v Speaker 4>been talking about just the Cowboys potentially changing their approach

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 4>during free agency, and we talked about how other teams

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<v Speaker 4>have been successful during free agency being more aggressive, what

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<v Speaker 4>is the position that you would want to be aggressive

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<v Speaker 4>at during free agency?

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<v Speaker 8>Linebacker? And there's and I know we can't get into

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<v Speaker 8>specific names, but if you listen to me on other podcasts,

0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:08.840
<v Speaker 8>I'll talk about those names. You listen to me on one, O, five, three,

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<v Speaker 8>I'll talk about those names too. But there's a there's

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<v Speaker 8>a position that I would absolutely look at, and I

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<v Speaker 8>think it's linebacker. And I think there's some names that

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<v Speaker 8>you would absolutely like.

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<v Speaker 7>I wouldn't hate. Receiver, Yeah, I wouldn't hate. I wouldn't

0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:23.920
<v Speaker 7>hate that approach. I mean, you can't go get the

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<v Speaker 7>big thirty million dollar guys, but you can go get

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<v Speaker 7>a five to ten million dollar guy that can finally

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<v Speaker 7>be a wide receiver two to CD.

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<v Speaker 3>The other one I would look at.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd look at an offensive lineman if I thought there

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<v Speaker 5>was a tackle or a guard out there that I

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<v Speaker 5>thought could make me better a veteran type, especially if

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<v Speaker 5>I end up losing Zach Martin to retirement, then I

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<v Speaker 5>would definitely look at that. I think this they could

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<v Speaker 5>use that sort of veteran presence if they find a

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:50.159
<v Speaker 5>good veteran I'm not talking about. This reminds me of

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 5>kind of when the Cowboys went out to get Kyle Kolesar.

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:55.399
<v Speaker 5>Cal Kozar wasn't the best party league, but he was

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<v Speaker 5>a very very good, solid, serviceable guard on that line.

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<v Speaker 3>I would look like a guy I would.

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<v Speaker 5>Look at somebody like that at guard or tackle that

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<v Speaker 5>I could bring in here to compete.

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<v Speaker 8>Let me ask you guys this question, then, because there's

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:13.440
<v Speaker 8>certain organizations that are putting Zach Martin with other teams.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, now, if.

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<v Speaker 8>Zach Martin in fact was willing to play or is

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<v Speaker 8>going to play, is he a consideration for you? Because

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<v Speaker 8>you mentioned Derek about talking about going in and signing

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<v Speaker 8>maybe an offensive lineman, maybe a guard. Should you circle

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<v Speaker 8>back with Zach Martin see where that number is.

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<v Speaker 5>I would have to feel certain that he is healthy

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<v Speaker 5>and that he is going to be able to play

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<v Speaker 5>at a level that's commensurate with what he has been

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<v Speaker 5>throughout his career, the level that he played last year.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know that I'm necessarily interested in that night

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 5>we've saw We saw this with with Tyron when they walk,

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:52.280
<v Speaker 5>when they when they let Tyron walk, I think it

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:54.959
<v Speaker 5>was a similar thing where they kind of thought at

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<v Speaker 5>that point it just from an injury standpoint, we couldn't

0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 5>trust it. And now so you're that point with I

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:02.399
<v Speaker 5>kind of think I am, But I would want to

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<v Speaker 5>have that conversation with him, a real honest conversation, like

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:08.399
<v Speaker 5>do you think after this offseason you'll be back if

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:10.120
<v Speaker 5>he wants to come back and play, do you think

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.919
<v Speaker 5>you'll be at a point where your health will be

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<v Speaker 5>back to what it was before, or do you think

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 5>you're at a point in your career where it's just

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<v Speaker 5>always going to be stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always going to be problems. There are always going

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<v Speaker 3>to be issues.

0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 5>And if and if he can honestly tell me that

0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 5>he feels like he's he can be back to where

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 5>he was, I'll trust him because he's earned that trust

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:32.159
<v Speaker 5>with all he's done for you, He's earned that trust.

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.320
<v Speaker 5>But I would have that kind of really honest conversation.

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<v Speaker 8>So, but if he shows up like in Kansas City

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<v Speaker 8>and is their starting guard.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all gonna feel terrible.

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Right, depends. It depends. Like same thing with Tyron.

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 5>If Tyron would have gone to New York and he

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<v Speaker 5>would have played great and been healthy, I would have

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 5>I would have said, Wow, maybe they let him go.

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:51.119
<v Speaker 3>It's a good example. Would be DeMarcus.

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 5>When DeMarcus went to Denver, they let him walk because

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:56.200
<v Speaker 5>it was like we just always there's a lot of injury,

0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 5>and then it was a situation where we got there

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:00.120
<v Speaker 5>and they just chuse him.

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 3>In a different way.

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:03.679
<v Speaker 5>He wasn't an every down, you know, pass rusher, but

0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 5>when they had him out there, he was a difference

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.959
<v Speaker 5>maker and led that defense all the way to a championship.

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 5>So it just depends on what you see if the

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:14.399
<v Speaker 5>player goes to another place, like what do they end

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<v Speaker 5>up being Did you make the right evaluation on where

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:19.679
<v Speaker 5>they were? Are they are they really done? Or do

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 5>they still have more left in the tank. And that's

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:24.200
<v Speaker 5>why I would have the conversation with Zach to see

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 5>how he feels about it, and I would trust his evaluation.

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 5>If he told me I'll be good, I promise you

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:29.919
<v Speaker 5>I'll be good, I would trust that.

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<v Speaker 4>Another thing I don't I personally right now don't know how.

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<v Speaker 4>I have no idea where he stands right now as

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 4>far as like his career, when he see himself, if

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 4>he wants to continue to play, because again, when you

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 4>look at also told that this game takes on your body.

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 4>And he's had a good career, a really good career,

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 4>just not with the accomplishment that they all want to

0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 4>get to. So that's the tricky part when you talk

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 4>about a competitor like him, I think healthy, and let's

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:07.040
<v Speaker 4>be honest, I feel like his whole career, a lot

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 4>of the years he's been here, even though he shows

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 4>up at every game, he's dealing with something like all

0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 4>this offensive linemen. They're yeah, they're dealing with something. He's

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 4>just being able to tough it out and be out

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 4>there and do his job. Last year is just it

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:26.600
<v Speaker 4>took more than he expected. But I think if he

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 4>was to come back another year, I think he can

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 4>still be productive. But there's that point that you just

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 4>talked about, Derek. It does get to that point of

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:38.479
<v Speaker 4>their career where they hit an age and it's just

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 4>like inevitably, you're gonna be dealing with something else. Something

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 4>new is gonna pop up, and it's hard to manage

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 4>that during the season and hoping that they are as productive.

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 4>And especially when you talk about these changes where you're

0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 4>wanting all the players to be more aggressive and play

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:57.479
<v Speaker 4>more tough. That's that's something that's very complicated. It can

0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 4>be very complicated. So but I'm curious to see where

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 4>he stands. I'm sure we'll hear about as soon enough.

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:05.239
<v Speaker 5>The other thing I think has to be factored in

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 5>here is listening to or looking at how the teams

0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 5>that they've particularly Adams coming from Arizona, they have their

0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 5>offensive lineman pulling quite a bit. Is he at a

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 5>point in his career where that's something that he can

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 5>do well consistently. That's another thing you have to kind

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 5>of consider. It's not going to be the kind of

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:25.760
<v Speaker 5>offensive line that he's typically worked in, and so is

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 5>that gonna be something that even exasperates the problem even

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 5>more of him not being able to be healthy or

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 5>him having to be mobile as much as you know,

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 5>when you're a young guy and you can kind of

0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 5>get out there and run, it's gonna be a little different.

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:39.959
<v Speaker 5>So I think all that stuff has to be factored in,

0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 5>but I would trust his evaluation. I would have that

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 5>conversation with him and trust his evaluation as well.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we're gonna take our final break. We'll come back.

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<v Speaker 5>first round guys. We think the Cowboys should be looking

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:54.040
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<v Speaker 5>We are in the final segment of the break live

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<v Speaker 5>from the SWBC Mortgage studios.

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<v Speaker 3>At the Star Suck a little draft a draft preview.

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<v Speaker 5>As a matter of fact, if you don't know about

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<v Speaker 5>if you've been living under a rock for the last

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, twenty years, you might not know that.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a show called The Draft Show. It's an

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<v Speaker 3>excellent show.

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<v Speaker 5>Brian and Nick are both part of that show, and

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<v Speaker 5>they do a lot of really good breakdowns on pretty

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<v Speaker 5>much every player you're gonna expect to see called during

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<v Speaker 5>the draft. So I figured we take a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>of the and we bring it over to our show

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<v Speaker 5>since we have two people that are on The Draft Show,

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<v Speaker 5>and we'll let you guys give us some a taste

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<v Speaker 5>of what happens over on the Draft Show. So I

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<v Speaker 5>eat one each one of you guys to give me

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<v Speaker 5>one player and kind of break down for us what

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<v Speaker 5>you're looking at, what maybe a comp in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 5>Just give us some background on one player that you

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<v Speaker 5>think could be available to the Cowboys in Round one

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<v Speaker 5>that they should be interested in.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you're gonna let me go first?

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<v Speaker 5>Always after the last time, I mean, you're basically berating him.

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<v Speaker 8>Of course he is, right, now, Nick does a fine

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<v Speaker 8>job with his draft works. I wouldn't berat him too much.

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<v Speaker 8>A Mecca Abuka from Ohio State, a wide receiveries two

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<v Speaker 8>hundred and six pounds. My pro comp to this player,

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<v Speaker 8>if you can imagine this is aman Ron Saint Brown

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<v Speaker 8>from the Detroit Lions. Bring what we're talking about here.

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<v Speaker 8>And I say this because Saint Brown is six one,

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<v Speaker 8>He's one hundred and ninety five pounds. He's a serious athlete,

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<v Speaker 8>and you know his family is big in his game.

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<v Speaker 8>If you know the Saint Brown situation, Abuka is really

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 8>kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>The same way.

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 8>His dad is really involved, and I mean in a

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:14.879
<v Speaker 8>positive way. This guy is an incredible athlete. I saw

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<v Speaker 8>a special on him one time where he like, he said,

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<v Speaker 8>I just took up golf and they showed his swing

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:21.880
<v Speaker 8>and he looks like a pro golfer. Now, I mean

0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:24.399
<v Speaker 8>the way he's playing is just he's got that kind

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<v Speaker 8>of ability and he's got ideal height and waight for

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 8>the position. He's super competitive as a player. He's very

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<v Speaker 8>aggressive with the run after catch, the body control, the strength,

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:34.800
<v Speaker 8>the power which he plays.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy's a versatile weapon.

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<v Speaker 8>You can use him on jet sweeps, those little pop

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<v Speaker 8>passes that we've seen. He's a smooth route runner. He

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<v Speaker 8>makes sharp, decisive cuts. The best routes he has are

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<v Speaker 8>the ones that are across the middle of the field.

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<v Speaker 8>I love when you see him catch the ball on

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<v Speaker 8>the move and then his ability to turn it up

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<v Speaker 8>the field. He's one of the best receivers in the

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 8>country when it came to playing against man coverage. So

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:01.319
<v Speaker 8>this guy knows how to escape. But he could play

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<v Speaker 8>on all levels of the defense. Explosive, elusive, shifty, he

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<v Speaker 8>would be. He's used to playing as the second fiddle.

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<v Speaker 8>The question is will he ever be a number one.

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<v Speaker 8>There's teams that are going to have to take him

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<v Speaker 8>potentially and make him a one, and I think he'll

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<v Speaker 8>be just fine. But he's always kind of played in

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<v Speaker 8>the shadows of another player. But you look at his

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<v Speaker 8>you look at how he's how his numbers and the

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<v Speaker 8>metrics and all the number one hundred and six targets

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<v Speaker 8>and only had five drops and one hundred and six targets,

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<v Speaker 8>So you know, that's kind of one of those things

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<v Speaker 8>that they feed him the football even though he's even

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<v Speaker 8>though he's a two, he's had some really, really nice

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<v Speaker 8>years at Ohio State and he and he could play

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<v Speaker 8>in a lot of different roles, and I think he

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<v Speaker 8>would fit that role opposite of what you have with

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<v Speaker 8>with Cede Lamb and his ability to play some of

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<v Speaker 8>that X stuff that they need for the Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 7>It would be a nice robin to have to you know,

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<v Speaker 7>CD's batman, as you mentioned, you know, he's he's lived

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<v Speaker 7>in the shadows of guys throughout his time in Ohio State,

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<v Speaker 7>whether it be Jeremiah Smith or going back to Marvin

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<v Speaker 7>Harrison junior or even further back in early in his

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<v Speaker 7>college career. But he is the most receiving yards of

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<v Speaker 7>any Ohio State receiver in Ohio State history. And you

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<v Speaker 7>think about all the names that have gone through Ohio State,

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<v Speaker 7>that's really impressive.

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<v Speaker 5>Real quick, how much do you think that whatever receiving

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<v Speaker 5>options the Cowboys look at have to be able to

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 5>run great routes and get separation. Because I heard this

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:22.799
<v Speaker 5>argument the other day and I think it's a valid one.

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.680
<v Speaker 5>One of the things we talk about seemingly a lot

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<v Speaker 5>around here is man receivers just weren't open. There there's

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<v Speaker 5>no separation. And I know there are bigger receivers in

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<v Speaker 5>this draft guys that can go vertical. How much do

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<v Speaker 5>you think it is a situation though, just based on

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:40.799
<v Speaker 5>this team and what they need that the Cowboys, if

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:42.400
<v Speaker 5>they're going to look at receiver, they need to go

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:45.279
<v Speaker 5>for some that really are great route runners and know

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<v Speaker 5>how to create separation.

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<v Speaker 7>If I'm understanding your question correctly, I think finding versatility

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<v Speaker 7>to match with CDs versatility.

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<v Speaker 6>Is that kind of what you're going for there?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, not necessarily, I think what I want stud to

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<v Speaker 2>get open.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it run great guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Ris.

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<v Speaker 5>By the way, we have some receiver. We have some receivers.

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<v Speaker 5>There's some receivers in the NFL. I would consider CD

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<v Speaker 5>one of them. CD is a great receiver. I wouldn't

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 5>consider his greatest greatest asset being he gets separation, like

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:15.320
<v Speaker 5>he just knows how to catch the ball in track.

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<v Speaker 8>Is one of the best quarterbacks in the league when

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:19.840
<v Speaker 8>it comes to throwing contested balls. And to your point,

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:21.799
<v Speaker 8>you know, I think a lot of it has to

0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:24.320
<v Speaker 8>do Derek was scheme, you know, and and you watch

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 8>I mean I watched Chip Kelly with this Ohio State offense.

0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:30.400
<v Speaker 8>Now Chip Kelly is moving on to the Las Vegas Raiders.

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 8>I watched Chip Kelly with this Ohio State group and

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 8>the way the crossing routes, the vertical routes, the hitches things,

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:41.120
<v Speaker 8>He's putting guys on the move. And you know that quarterback,

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<v Speaker 8>Well Howard did a heck of a job. I mean,

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:46.359
<v Speaker 8>you where where he came from to where he was

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:49.800
<v Speaker 8>at Ohio State. He looked like a completely different quarterback

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<v Speaker 8>playing And a lot of it has to do with

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:55.680
<v Speaker 8>the ability to scheme guys open. And you're you're one

0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:57.400
<v Speaker 8>of the most talented teams in the country. You won

0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:01.240
<v Speaker 8>the National championship for that reason because you have the players,

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:03.360
<v Speaker 8>You had the skill on the outside, whether it was

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<v Speaker 8>vertical skill, whether it was crossing skill, hit skill, screen skill.

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:09.839
<v Speaker 8>You know, there's ways that you can create to get

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:12.440
<v Speaker 8>these guys open. I think this guy when I watch

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.920
<v Speaker 8>him play, just the smoothness that he plays and that

0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:19.600
<v Speaker 8>ability to separate. But a lot of these quarterbacks in

0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:22.840
<v Speaker 8>the National Football League are now having to throw contested routes.

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:26.080
<v Speaker 8>You know, it's you could scheme certain routes open, but

0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 8>there's some that are going to be contested plays. But

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 8>that I mean, he's comfortable throwing that type of you know,

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 8>is it always successful. No, is it successful in enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the time.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's up of a quarterback you have you can

0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:39.880
<v Speaker 5>get away with not having you get Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>But I'm not saying I don't want a core. I

0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:44.920
<v Speaker 8>don't want receivers that don't separate. But some of these

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 8>receivers that Nick and I have been talking about on

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 8>the Draft show don't separate. But you absolutely would take

0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:53.720
<v Speaker 8>him in the first, second, third round.

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 2>You would absolutely take him.

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:57.880
<v Speaker 8>And like I said, you know, you look at you

0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 8>look at this these contested catches. This guy was thirty

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:03.880
<v Speaker 8>first in the country when it came to that. You

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 8>think of all the wide receivers in college football, and

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:10.319
<v Speaker 8>this guy has a separate But okay, now the ball. Now,

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:12.480
<v Speaker 8>now the corners made a play on the ball, or

0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 8>the safety's making a play in the ball. You gotta

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 8>have guys when that happens to be able to make plays.

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:19.719
<v Speaker 8>And that's why I would draft a kid like this.

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:23.320
<v Speaker 8>I think that there is so much to like about

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 8>this player. The mental makeup I talked, We talked about

0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 8>toughness earlier, his ability to get open touchdowns, finish, you know,

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.919
<v Speaker 8>mentality of like, Okay, I'm not the number one guy here.

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 8>I'm gonna fit in. I'm gonna do what I have

0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 8>to do. This kid makes a lot of sense.

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 7>Nick, You're I'm gonna go with a trade back scenario

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:45.520
<v Speaker 7>in the first round here just because I don't.

0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:46.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I gotta get fancy.

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 2>Huh. But the text in saynything about trade back, Snario is.

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Making his own.

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<v Speaker 7>It did not because I wouldn't necessarily take this guy

0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 7>at twelve, but I think, okay, trade back and pick

0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:59.680
<v Speaker 7>up some picks. This would be a really specific where

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 7>him back to let's go to like twenty three.

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:04.839
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, twenty that's a nice drop.

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:06.720
<v Speaker 6>Yeah it is. You're picking up some good value.

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:08.320
<v Speaker 3>You probably get loved my numbers.

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 7>You probably get two maybe three picks out of that.

0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 7>You could you could really make something fancy with that.

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:15.880
<v Speaker 7>I'm going with Gray's abel offensive line out of North

0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 7>Dakota State, all right, interior guy bringing a plane and

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.040
<v Speaker 7>this team. It would be right guard. But I think

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:24.760
<v Speaker 7>he has the potential to play anywhere in the interior,

0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 7>and it would give Connor Riley, the new offensive line

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:30.359
<v Speaker 7>coach here Dallas, some flexibility on what he would want

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 7>to do.

0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 6>Maybe with a.

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:34.319
<v Speaker 7>Cooper Bebie and that flexibility could extend out to the

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:37.440
<v Speaker 7>tackle position too. With Okay, let's say Tyler Guidon is

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:41.400
<v Speaker 7>having another struggling year in twenty twenty five, Okay, you

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 7>have enough confidence in a guy like grays Abel to

0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:46.799
<v Speaker 7>put him at left guard even and kick Tyler Smith out.

0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 7>That's I'm just saying. This guy gives you flexibility. This

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<v Speaker 7>guy gives you some versatility inside. He's a bruiser, like

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<v Speaker 7>I mentioned, versatile. He has a quick anchor. He creates

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 7>a pocket depth super fast. He was one of the

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:01.640
<v Speaker 7>guys that I came way with most impressed from immobile.

0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:05.319
<v Speaker 7>His strength rarely has him knocked off balance, but he

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 7>does have short arms, hence the projection inside. He has

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<v Speaker 7>played four of the five offensive line positions at his

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 7>time at North Dakota State. But this is a strictly

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.359
<v Speaker 7>interior guy. He needs to be a little bit better

0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:17.759
<v Speaker 7>in the run block category. I think that's probably where

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<v Speaker 7>he needs the most improvement coming into the NFL, and

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.640
<v Speaker 7>my my NFL player camp for him. Funny enough, another

0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 7>North Dakota State guy, just because it reminded me of

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 7>him when he was coming out, was Cody Mauk out

0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 7>of Tampa Bay who's now starting for them at right

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:34.719
<v Speaker 7>guard and has been really really solid for them. And again,

0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 7>where where he would fit. I'd see him at right guard,

0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:38.880
<v Speaker 7>but really wherever you would want in the interior.

0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:40.800
<v Speaker 6>I like this player.

0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:43.600
<v Speaker 7>And going back to Connor Riley, before he was at

0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:46.239
<v Speaker 7>Kansas State, he was at North Dakota State. So there's

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of uh, you know, background that he could

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<v Speaker 7>pick up on Zabel as well that I think would

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 7>be able to translate to this building.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this guy.

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<v Speaker 8>I Nick nailed this kid, and I think you could

0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:59.120
<v Speaker 8>play him in a power scheme, you could play him

0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 8>in a zone scheme, and I think he'll be just fine.

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 8>He's got agility, he easily makes cut off blocks, he

0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 8>makes reach blocks, I mean the knee bend as a

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 8>pass protector. You can watch him against Colorado to open

0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:13.040
<v Speaker 8>today if you're thinking about we, oh wait a minute,

0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:14.279
<v Speaker 8>he plays at North Dakota State.

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 2>By the way, North Dakota State. They're folks.

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:18.600
<v Speaker 8>They live here in Frisco because they're in that National

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:19.680
<v Speaker 8>championship game.

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:20.279
<v Speaker 3>Every single year.

0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you think you're you have.

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 8>Green Bay Packer fans in town with that color scheme

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 8>that they got, But this guy. This guy is a

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 8>good one. He could play tackle, he could play guard.

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 8>They've used him at some center. He didn't look uncomfortable

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 8>playing that way. The trade back scenario, there's a lot

0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:39.520
<v Speaker 8>of people talking about him as a late one.

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Type of a player.

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 8>So where Nick dropped you back to, I'm sure he

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 8>picked up some good draft capital along the way. He

0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:47.839
<v Speaker 8>got our fourth round pick back some way, maybe got

0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 8>us an extra third along the way. So yeah, but

0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 8>a player like that, absolutely, at twenty four, you would

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:55.320
<v Speaker 8>consider a guy like this. He's he's risen up the

0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 8>draft boards that much, but it's not just rising on

0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:00.919
<v Speaker 8>his own. This is the ability when you really really

0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:02.680
<v Speaker 8>watch him and then you watch him against the good

0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:04.960
<v Speaker 8>competition where he's shown up.

0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:07.840
<v Speaker 4>I like everything he said in inch, but then he

0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:09.799
<v Speaker 4>just casually threw him their own and he needs to

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:11.800
<v Speaker 4>improve on the run block. And then you kept talking

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 4>and then that you lost me right there, I mean,

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.920
<v Speaker 4>does not give you any pause, And he's like, Okay,

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:20.560
<v Speaker 4>hold up, this is an area that you we gotta

0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 4>make sure if we're this guy.

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:26.760
<v Speaker 2>I think this guy sells as a drive blocker. I do, okay.

0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 2>I think there's some things When Nick said it.

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:30.879
<v Speaker 8>I was kind of like going, I don't know, man,

0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:32.879
<v Speaker 8>there's things when like you say, when I'm talking about

0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:35.319
<v Speaker 8>the scoops, the reaches, things like that, but there are

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:39.040
<v Speaker 8>things that he does as a drive blocker getting into guys. Now,

0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:42.279
<v Speaker 8>there's one of my one of my favorite players is

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:46.240
<v Speaker 8>Lampkin from North Carolina. You talking about stay on guys,

0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:48.400
<v Speaker 8>center staying, but he's only five to ten. Here's a

0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:52.440
<v Speaker 8>five and seventy five pound center guard from North Carolina.

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:56.440
<v Speaker 8>He's he blows away any metrics that you I've never

0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:58.759
<v Speaker 8>seen a player like this, But we talk about a

0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 8>guy that sticks on to the guy and finish. You know,

0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:05.319
<v Speaker 8>Gray's Abel And I'm really again, I appreciate Nick bringing

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 8>him up because I think that's the spot that Gray's

0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 8>Abel is probably going to go at. And I do

0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.240
<v Speaker 8>think he's probably got a little bit better run blocking traits.

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:14.520
<v Speaker 8>I know I see it that way. And you know

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:16.839
<v Speaker 8>in the knee been with the pass protection and all that.

0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:19.720
<v Speaker 8>This guy is going to be a valuable player for somebody.

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:22.320
<v Speaker 8>He should have He should have very well been playing

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:24.600
<v Speaker 8>in a Big ten school. He you know, they and

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:26.840
<v Speaker 8>and and scouts, Hey, we missed players.

0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:29.000
<v Speaker 2>We miss him. We were missing when recruiting.

0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:31.239
<v Speaker 8>I think this kid's got that ability where he could

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:34.320
<v Speaker 8>have played at a Wisconsin or played it a Michigan

0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:35.800
<v Speaker 8>State or me even played in Michigan.

0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 2>The way that he plays, Yeah.

0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:39.279
<v Speaker 7>I probably should have furthered My point there. The reason

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:41.439
<v Speaker 7>I say that is when he when he comes down

0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:43.400
<v Speaker 7>on his run block, he gets really wide and he

0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:46.439
<v Speaker 7>can get grabby, and he's he's had holding penalties called

0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:48.399
<v Speaker 7>in that in that area. So that's why I say

0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 7>the red flag. Well that's.

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:53.799
<v Speaker 2>Tyler Smith was a holder too.

0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll take him again, give me another one, I'll

0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 3>take him all. I appreciate you guys.

0:45:58.080 --> 0:45:58.279
<v Speaker 2>Jones.

0:45:58.320 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 3>We'll be back next week.

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 5>Uh is happening next week, so we'll get into some

0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:03.719
<v Speaker 5>of the information around the combine, some of the things

0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:06.160
<v Speaker 5>we're looking at as we enter that. I think when

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:07.759
<v Speaker 5>we have our show that they won't have started. I

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:09.799
<v Speaker 5>don't think they'll start at workouts by then, but it'll

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:11.759
<v Speaker 5>be close. It'll be starting around Thursday, I think is

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:14.279
<v Speaker 5>when they'll get started. We'll have a lot to talk about.

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:15.399
<v Speaker 4>Y'all hear next week.

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:17.279
<v Speaker 6>I'm not I'm not saying so whatever.

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:18.799
<v Speaker 3>You know you were going to you're gonna come bye

0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:20.320
<v Speaker 3>toa Oh.

0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:23.880
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I'm crying right now because the show going to

0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:25.239
<v Speaker 8>the combine and it ain't my show.

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:27.160
<v Speaker 3>How did that happen?

0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:30.799
<v Speaker 5>Never mind, I never mind, never mind, I'm not we'll

0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:33.279
<v Speaker 5>talk about that, right.

0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't wanna. I don't want to take you to

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:35.040
<v Speaker 3>a bad place.

0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:35.279
<v Speaker 2>All right.

0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:37.319
<v Speaker 3>We appreciate you, guys, Jones. We'll be back next week

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:39.279
<v Speaker 3>or maybe the week after. We'll see so then, for

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<v Speaker 3>Nick Harris, Brian brought us to Ambergarcia. I'm Derek Eagleton.

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