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Speaker 5: It is Wednesday, February nineteenth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty,

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Speaker 5: episode number one oh three.

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Speaker 3: Man, it feels like forever since we've been on the air.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it kind of has forever since we've been on

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Speaker 5: there two weeks to be exactly. We were out last week,

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Speaker 5: but this week we are back, not whether or notwithstanding

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Speaker 5: a lot of things going on last week.

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Speaker 2: No, No, we were here last week.

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Speaker 6: We were here.

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Speaker 3: We're here last week.

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Speaker 6: It was the two weeks before that, well at least

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Speaker 6: for me.

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Speaker 2: First, Nick we have to look at camera. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: now focus on.

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Speaker 3: But it still feels like it feels like a long time.

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Speaker 3: We're not doing it daily.

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Speaker 5: It always feels like it's it takes forever to get

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Speaker 5: back around to another episode. We got a lot we're

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Speaker 5: going to talk about today. We got to mix a

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Speaker 5: mix in a few different topics here. Assistant coaches for

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Speaker 5: the Cowboys talked yesterday. We'll talk about that a little bit,

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Speaker 5: some of the things that stood out there. Let's talk

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Speaker 5: a little bit too about franchise tags. That's gonna the

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Speaker 5: window open yesterday. Cowboys and every other team in the

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Speaker 5: NFL have until March fourth to decide on that if

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Speaker 5: they're going to be a play, if there will be

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Speaker 5: a player that they will use a fan franchise tag.

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Speaker 5: And we'll talk about that, and then we'll get some

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Speaker 5: draft previews Brian and Nick. We're going to try to

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Speaker 5: do this every episode now in the draft, let you

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Speaker 5: guys kind of give us a little taste of the

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Speaker 5: kinds of things you're talking about over on the Draft Show. Today,

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Speaker 5: we'll focus in on a couple of players that we

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Speaker 5: think are should be or could be targets for the

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Speaker 5: Cowboys in the first round and let you guys give

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Speaker 5: us some breakdowns there.

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Speaker 3: We may even get to a little Yetny time with ag.

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Speaker 5: We'll sew that goes if we get some time. We

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Speaker 5: got fan questions also lined up. We got so much

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Speaker 5: stuff we can hit today, so we'll see how far

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Speaker 5: we get into this. As Amber always says, we'll only

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Speaker 5: get to about half of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was about to say false promises around here.

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Speaker 3: So that will only mean that my show Rundown is

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Speaker 3: ready for next week.

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Speaker 5: All right, let's start first with the assistant coaches they

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Speaker 5: spoke yesterday. I know everybody had a chance to look

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Speaker 5: at some of the different information or look at some

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Speaker 5: of the quotes that came out of that. Was there

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Speaker 5: anything particular that stood out to you as you looked

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I would like to start with Clayton Adams, just

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Speaker 7: how can we be multiple?

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Speaker 6: How can we be different?

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Speaker 7: And I think that is a key philosophy that this

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Speaker 7: And if they can figure out how to marry that

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Speaker 7: And what does that mean? That means being creative in

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Speaker 7: of a play, it takes a digit off the board. Defensively,

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Speaker 7: Clayton Adams said yesterday that you know, they're they're at

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Speaker 7: And I don't want to take everything from my mansama

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Speaker 7: right here, but create violence, run hit. Everything we do

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Speaker 7: schematically needs to play into that.

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Speaker 6: That's the big one.

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Speaker 7: And I think if that can marry well with what

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Speaker 2: Never say that you don't have a few words. You're

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Speaker 8: Sorry, I took a page out of my book at

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Speaker 8: that time, so thank you for what you did. Where

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Speaker 8: I think a mandate came down from I know, from

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Speaker 2: Think the mandate is to will McLay into.

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Speaker 8: These scouts and to the personnel guys and gallas that

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Speaker 2: They need to get to be a tougher football team.

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Speaker 8: And that's you know, we talk about the violence and

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Speaker 8: like we need to earmark tough football players, and it's

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Speaker 8: you know, to play this game, you have to be tough,

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Speaker 8: but there takes a little bit more of an inner toughness.

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Speaker 8: And we've seen this. This team has been good enough

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Speaker 2: Tough teams do that. Tough mentally, tough physically.

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Speaker 8: I think the mandate from the coaches is we want

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Speaker 8: will McClay, the personnel folks over there, got their got

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm right on board with you guys. With that

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Speaker 6: We talked about it last year.

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Speaker 4: You look at other teams around the NFL and we

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Speaker 4: talked about that whole point of how are these other

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Speaker 4: offensively that's an area where it's highly needed, and right

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Speaker 4: now it's difficult for them to answer, like what is

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Speaker 4: that's a great area. How how are we gonna be

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Speaker 4: How are we going to allow these players to run

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Speaker 5: So I hear violence a lot when we're talking here.

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Speaker 5: My question as I was listening to some of those

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Speaker 5: to push your opponent around. Is that really something that

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Speaker 8: I think it's some mentality. But I also think that

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Speaker 8: So I think that to me, now this is the opportunity.

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Speaker 8: As I mentioned earlier, this personnel department now has the

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Speaker 8: task of going out and getting that those type of players.

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Speaker 8: The players we saw a tough mentality in the early

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Speaker 8: you saw toughness. You ever went to you know, some

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Speaker 8: of these practice, even adjacent Garrett practice, had elements of

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Speaker 8: and and and welcome that kind of coaching, but play

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Speaker 4: And when you see somebody else trying to be tougher,

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Speaker 5: let's talk about the franchise tag. That window open yesterday.

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Speaker 5: It'll run through March fourth, Just so you have an

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Speaker 5: That all being said, let's talk specifically about the franchise tag.

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Speaker 5: In my opinion, O SOO DIGGI Zua is probably the

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Speaker 7: I think should you get consistency at that three tech spot,

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Speaker 7: open market per year if you were franchise tag? That's

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Speaker 7: gonna be the question, how much is consistency on that

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Speaker 6: So I think that would probably be the strong case

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the why would be because we finally

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Speaker 8: So if you're interested in keeping that going forward and

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Speaker 2: As far as a guy you developed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think personally, I don't think there's anyone

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Speaker 4: But he's a guy just like they all said, you've

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Speaker 4: that would be one position to worry less about that

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Speaker 4: you have solidified. You have already so many other positions

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say this.

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Speaker 5: The thing that stands out to me that I think

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Speaker 5: is I think we've seen, as Brian said, this.

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Speaker 3: Development over the years.

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Speaker 5: I think he's gotten appreciably better each year, and quite frankly,

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Speaker 5: I think he was the best last year.

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Speaker 3: I want to see what the ceiling is.

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Speaker 5: I want to see if last year was more about

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Speaker 5: more year of it to see what's his real ceiling here?

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Speaker 16: Right?

440
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Speaker 5: And could you be on the cusp of a really

441
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Speaker 5: great defensive tackle that you've developed to this point and

442
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 5: now he goes somewhere else and he's one of the best.

443
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Speaker 3: In the league, that would really.

444
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Speaker 5: Upset me, right, So I'm like, franchise tack allows me

445
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Speaker 5: to get at least one more year to think, to

446
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Speaker 5: know what I think of him long term and feel

447
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 5: more secure in whatever that evaluation is, and then be

448
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 5: willing to if you want to go all in and

449
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Speaker 5: be able to give him that deal, then you give

450
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Speaker 5: him that deal.

451
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Speaker 3: But that one more year.

452
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Speaker 5: I think could be helpful for somebody like him who

453
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Speaker 5: has gotten better every year, but last year I think

454
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Speaker 5: made a big jump. I want to see if he

455
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Speaker 5: can sustain that through another year before I would pay

456
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Speaker 5: him the big money.

457
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Speaker 4: But do you have the money to be able to

458
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Speaker 4: make a decision like that for the team? It just

459
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Speaker 4: doesn't seem like it's a good position to place a

460
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Speaker 4: franchise tag or on a guy like him or anybody

461
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 4: else on the team in my opinion. Well, but it's

462
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Speaker 4: like when you look at the again, I'm not the

463
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Speaker 4: salary cap and expert over here, but all one thing

464
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Speaker 4: I know is the Cowboys are struggling with money right now,

465
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Speaker 4: and it just doesn't seem like the smartest thing to

466
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Speaker 4: do this year. And with a guy like him, you

467
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Speaker 4: talk about wanting to see one more year. I think

468
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Speaker 4: he's had a solid career. Last year was the best

469
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Speaker 4: one he's had yet. Personally, I don't feel like I

470
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Speaker 4: need to see more. I just want to keep him here,

471
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Speaker 4: and if that means a long term deal, then so

472
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Speaker 4: be it.

473
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Speaker 5: Well, and get me wrong, if you can get a

474
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Speaker 5: long term deal that makes sense, then great. A long

475
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 5: term deal is always better because you get to take

476
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Speaker 5: that money to extrapolate the signing bonus over the years

477
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 5: of the contract, or you could backload the contract. You

478
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 5: can give yourself some cap relief. I think those things

479
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 5: are all positive. I guess the way I look at it, though,

480
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Speaker 5: is there are ways that the Cowboys can create salary

481
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Speaker 5: cap for this upcoming year. If they feel like that's

482
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Speaker 5: an important piece, and he's an important piece, I think

483
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Speaker 5: they could probably do it.

484
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Speaker 10: Now.

485
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Speaker 5: It's probably not profitable to do a franchise tag because

486
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Speaker 5: again it is one year and all that's going to

487
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 5: hit your cap in that one year. But I just

488
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Speaker 5: I like the idea of being able to again, if

489
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Speaker 5: I'm giving an argument asked to why if I can't

490
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Speaker 5: do a long term deal with him, that makes sense.

491
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Speaker 5: Keeping him around for another year so that I can

492
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Speaker 5: get a better feel for what his long term value

493
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Speaker 5: is to me would be an advantage.

494
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Speaker 7: The thing that I struggle with on using the franchise

495
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Speaker 7: tag on him is that franchise tag number would be

496
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Speaker 7: a twenty three and a half million, give or takes

497
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Speaker 7: twenty three point four to six a, so twenty three

498
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Speaker 7: and a half.

499
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Speaker 6: This team has suffered from not having.

500
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Speaker 7: Depth, and you need depth going into this next seas

501
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Speaker 7: So do you spend that twenty three and a half

502
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 7: million dollars on a sure thing at three Tech? Granted you,

503
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 7: as you mentioned, you know it was a it felt

504
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 7: like a college player at times because you disappear in

505
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Speaker 7: November December.

506
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Speaker 2: But played well, played really well.

507
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Speaker 7: Yeah, played really well this past season, so you have

508
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 7: one good year under your belt. How confident do you

509
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 7: feel that he can play up to a twenty three

510
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 7: and a half million dollar value?

511
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Speaker 6: Do you do that?

512
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Speaker 7: Or do you go re sign Carl Last and Chauncey

513
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Speaker 7: Golston Jordan Lewis I mean, et cetera, et cetera at

514
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 7: Chumay Dooga. If you want an extra offensive lineman for

515
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Speaker 7: that same amount of price, and probably still have some

516
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 7: money left over, and you're dealing with the defensive tackle

517
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 7: class in this draft that is really strong. You can

518
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 7: go find a three tech.

519
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Speaker 3: So and there's our answer to why you shouldn't.

520
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Speaker 8: There's the answer, not anything you have to do with

521
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,479
Speaker 8: the player, but it all has to do with the

522
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Speaker 8: players that are potentially available at the three technique.

523
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Speaker 2: I think this is you know.

524
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Speaker 8: When you start to talk about the edge class, the

525
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 8: defensive tackle class, whether it's the one techniques, the three techniques,

526
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Speaker 8: these are the ones that are that are on the

527
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Speaker 8: board for your right there.

528
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Speaker 2: So that would be if it was a really weak class.

529
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Speaker 8: Say say this was say that we had this question

530
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 8: about Eric Kendricks, Say you know, okay, Eric Kendricks played

531
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Speaker 8: the level like, would you franchise tag Eric Kendricks? You know,

532
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 8: just I'm using him as an example, you would say, yeah,

533
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Speaker 8: I would absolutely consider it. Because the depth of the

534
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 8: linebacker class in this draft is not as deep as

535
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Speaker 8: it is with the defensive tackles or the edges. So

536
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Speaker 8: that's the biggest reason why I think I would move

537
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Speaker 8: on for most And I think Nick made an excellent

538
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 8: point about could I earmark that money for other positions

539
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 8: and don't let all this depth that you've developed the

540
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Speaker 8: last three years just completely walk out this building.

541
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Speaker 4: Oh right, let me ask you guys this. Since we've

542
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Speaker 4: been talking about just the Cowboys potentially changing their approach

543
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 4: during free agency, and we talked about how other teams

544
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 4: have been successful during free agency being more aggressive, what

545
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 4: is the position that you would want to be aggressive

546
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 4: at during free agency?

547
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Speaker 8: Linebacker? And there's and I know we can't get into

548
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 8: specific names, but if you listen to me on other podcasts,

549
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 8: I'll talk about those names. You listen to me on one, O, five, three,

550
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 8: I'll talk about those names too. But there's a there's

551
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 8: a position that I would absolutely look at, and I

552
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,239
Speaker 8: think it's linebacker. And I think there's some names that

553
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 8: you would absolutely like.

554
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Speaker 7: I wouldn't hate. Receiver, Yeah, I wouldn't hate. I wouldn't

555
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 7: hate that approach. I mean, you can't go get the

556
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 7: big thirty million dollar guys, but you can go get

557
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 7: a five to ten million dollar guy that can finally

558
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 7: be a wide receiver two to CD.

559
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Speaker 3: The other one I would look at.

560
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Speaker 5: I'd look at an offensive lineman if I thought there

561
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Speaker 5: was a tackle or a guard out there that I

562
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Speaker 5: thought could make me better a veteran type, especially if

563
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 5: I end up losing Zach Martin to retirement, then I

564
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 5: would definitely look at that. I think this they could

565
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 5: use that sort of veteran presence if they find a

566
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Speaker 5: good veteran I'm not talking about. This reminds me of

567
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 5: kind of when the Cowboys went out to get Kyle Kolesar.

568
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 5: Cal Kozar wasn't the best party league, but he was

569
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Speaker 5: a very very good, solid, serviceable guard on that line.

570
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Speaker 3: I would look like a guy I would.

571
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Speaker 5: Look at somebody like that at guard or tackle that

572
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 5: I could bring in here to compete.

573
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Speaker 8: Let me ask you guys this question, then, because there's

574
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Speaker 8: certain organizations that are putting Zach Martin with other teams.

575
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Speaker 2: You know, now, if.

576
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Speaker 8: Zach Martin in fact was willing to play or is

577
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Speaker 8: going to play, is he a consideration for you? Because

578
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 8: you mentioned Derek about talking about going in and signing

579
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Speaker 8: maybe an offensive lineman, maybe a guard. Should you circle

580
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 8: back with Zach Martin see where that number is.

581
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 5: I would have to feel certain that he is healthy

582
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 5: and that he is going to be able to play

583
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Speaker 5: at a level that's commensurate with what he has been

584
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Speaker 5: throughout his career, the level that he played last year.

585
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Speaker 5: I don't know that I'm necessarily interested in that night

586
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 5: we've saw We saw this with with Tyron when they walk,

587
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 5: when they when they let Tyron walk, I think it

588
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,959
Speaker 5: was a similar thing where they kind of thought at

589
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 5: that point it just from an injury standpoint, we couldn't

590
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Speaker 5: trust it. And now so you're that point with I

591
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 5: kind of think I am, But I would want to

592
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 5: have that conversation with him, a real honest conversation, like

593
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 5: do you think after this offseason you'll be back if

594
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 5: he wants to come back and play, do you think

595
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 5: you'll be at a point where your health will be

596
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 5: back to what it was before, or do you think

597
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 5: you're at a point in your career where it's just

598
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 5: always going to be stuff.

599
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 3: It's always going to be problems. There are always going

600
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 3: to be issues.

601
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 5: And if and if he can honestly tell me that

602
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 5: he feels like he's he can be back to where

603
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 5: he was, I'll trust him because he's earned that trust

604
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 5: with all he's done for you, He's earned that trust.

605
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 5: But I would have that kind of really honest conversation.

606
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 8: So, but if he shows up like in Kansas City

607
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 8: and is their starting guard.

608
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: We're all gonna feel terrible.

609
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 3: Right, depends. It depends. Like same thing with Tyron.

610
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 5: If Tyron would have gone to New York and he

611
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 5: would have played great and been healthy, I would have

612
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 5: I would have said, Wow, maybe they let him go.

613
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Speaker 3: It's a good example. Would be DeMarcus.

614
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 5: When DeMarcus went to Denver, they let him walk because

615
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 5: it was like we just always there's a lot of injury,

616
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 5: and then it was a situation where we got there

617
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,120
Speaker 5: and they just chuse him.

618
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: In a different way.

619
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Speaker 5: He wasn't an every down, you know, pass rusher, but

620
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 5: when they had him out there, he was a difference

621
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 5: maker and led that defense all the way to a championship.

622
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 5: So it just depends on what you see if the

623
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 5: player goes to another place, like what do they end

624
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 5: up being Did you make the right evaluation on where

625
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 5: they were? Are they are they really done? Or do

626
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 5: they still have more left in the tank. And that's

627
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 5: why I would have the conversation with Zach to see

628
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 5: how he feels about it, and I would trust his evaluation.

629
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Speaker 5: If he told me I'll be good, I promise you

630
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 5: I'll be good, I would trust that.

631
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Speaker 4: Another thing I don't I personally right now don't know how.

632
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 4: I have no idea where he stands right now as

633
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 4: far as like his career, when he see himself, if

634
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 4: he wants to continue to play, because again, when you

635
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 4: look at also told that this game takes on your body.

636
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 4: And he's had a good career, a really good career,

637
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 4: just not with the accomplishment that they all want to

638
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 4: get to. So that's the tricky part when you talk

639
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 4: about a competitor like him, I think healthy, and let's

640
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 4: be honest, I feel like his whole career, a lot

641
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 4: of the years he's been here, even though he shows

642
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 4: up at every game, he's dealing with something like all

643
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 4: this offensive linemen. They're yeah, they're dealing with something. He's

644
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: just being able to tough it out and be out

645
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 4: there and do his job. Last year is just it

646
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 4: took more than he expected. But I think if he

647
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 4: was to come back another year, I think he can

648
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 4: still be productive. But there's that point that you just

649
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: talked about, Derek. It does get to that point of

650
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 4: their career where they hit an age and it's just

651
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 4: like inevitably, you're gonna be dealing with something else. Something

652
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 4: new is gonna pop up, and it's hard to manage

653
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 4: that during the season and hoping that they are as productive.

654
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 4: And especially when you talk about these changes where you're

655
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 4: wanting all the players to be more aggressive and play

656
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:57,479
Speaker 4: more tough. That's that's something that's very complicated. It can

657
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 4: be very complicated. So but I'm curious to see where

658
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 4: he stands. I'm sure we'll hear about as soon enough.

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Speaker 5: So I think all that stuff has to be factored in,

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Speaker 5: We are in the final segment of the break live

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Speaker 3: At the Star Suck a little draft a draft preview.

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Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, if you don't know about

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Speaker 3: We have a show called The Draft Show. It's an

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Speaker 3: excellent show.

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Speaker 5: Brian and Nick are both part of that show, and

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Speaker 5: they do a lot of really good breakdowns on pretty

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Speaker 5: much every player you're gonna expect to see called during

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Speaker 5: the draft. So I figured we take a little bit

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Speaker 5: since we have two people that are on The Draft Show,

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Speaker 5: and we'll let you guys give us some a taste

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Speaker 5: of what happens over on the Draft Show. So I

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Speaker 5: eat one each one of you guys to give me

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Speaker 5: one player and kind of break down for us what

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Speaker 5: you're looking at, what maybe a comp in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Just give us some background on one player that you

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Speaker 5: think could be available to the Cowboys in Round one

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Speaker 5: that they should be interested in.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're gonna let me go first?

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Speaker 5: Always after the last time, I mean, you're basically berating him.

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Speaker 8: Of course he is, right, now, Nick does a fine

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Speaker 8: job with his draft works. I wouldn't berat him too much.

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Speaker 8: A Mecca Abuka from Ohio State, a wide receiveries two

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Speaker 8: hundred and six pounds. My pro comp to this player,

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Speaker 8: if you can imagine this is aman Ron Saint Brown

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Speaker 8: from the Detroit Lions. Bring what we're talking about here.

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Speaker 8: And I say this because Saint Brown is six one,

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Speaker 8: He's one hundred and ninety five pounds. He's a serious athlete,

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Speaker 8: and you know his family is big in his game.

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Speaker 8: If you know the Saint Brown situation, Abuka is really

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Speaker 8: kind of.

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Speaker 2: The same way.

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Speaker 8: His dad is really involved, and I mean in a

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Speaker 8: positive way. This guy is an incredible athlete. I saw

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Speaker 8: a special on him one time where he like, he said,

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Speaker 8: I just took up golf and they showed his swing

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Speaker 8: and he looks like a pro golfer. Now, I mean

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Speaker 8: the way he's playing is just he's got that kind

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Speaker 8: of ability and he's got ideal height and waight for

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Speaker 8: the position. He's super competitive as a player. He's very

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Speaker 8: aggressive with the run after catch, the body control, the strength,

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Speaker 8: the power which he plays.

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Speaker 2: This guy's a versatile weapon.

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Speaker 8: You can use him on jet sweeps, those little pop

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Speaker 8: passes that we've seen. He's a smooth route runner. He

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Speaker 8: makes sharp, decisive cuts. The best routes he has are

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Speaker 8: the ones that are across the middle of the field.

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Speaker 8: I love when you see him catch the ball on

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Speaker 8: the move and then his ability to turn it up

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Speaker 8: the field. He's one of the best receivers in the

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Speaker 8: country when it came to playing against man coverage. So

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Speaker 8: this guy knows how to escape. But he could play

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Speaker 8: on all levels of the defense. Explosive, elusive, shifty, he

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Speaker 8: would be. He's used to playing as the second fiddle.

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Speaker 8: The question is will he ever be a number one.

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Speaker 8: There's teams that are going to have to take him

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Speaker 8: potentially and make him a one, and I think he'll

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Speaker 8: be just fine. But he's always kind of played in

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Speaker 8: the shadows of another player. But you look at his

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Speaker 8: you look at how he's how his numbers and the

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Speaker 8: metrics and all the number one hundred and six targets

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Speaker 8: and only had five drops and one hundred and six targets,

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Speaker 8: So you know, that's kind of one of those things

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Speaker 8: that they feed him the football even though he's even

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Speaker 8: though he's a two, he's had some really, really nice

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Speaker 8: years at Ohio State and he and he could play

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Speaker 8: in a lot of different roles, and I think he

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Speaker 8: would fit that role opposite of what you have with

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Speaker 8: with Cede Lamb and his ability to play some of

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Speaker 8: that X stuff that they need for the Cowboys.

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Speaker 7: It would be a nice robin to have to you know,

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Speaker 7: CD's batman, as you mentioned, you know, he's he's lived

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Speaker 7: in the shadows of guys throughout his time in Ohio State,

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Speaker 7: whether it be Jeremiah Smith or going back to Marvin

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Speaker 7: Harrison junior or even further back in early in his

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Speaker 7: college career. But he is the most receiving yards of

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Speaker 7: any Ohio State receiver in Ohio State history. And you

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Speaker 7: that's really impressive.

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Speaker 5: Real quick, how much do you think that whatever receiving

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Speaker 5: options the Cowboys look at have to be able to

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Speaker 5: run great routes and get separation. Because I heard this

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Speaker 5: argument the other day and I think it's a valid one.

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Speaker 5: One of the things we talk about seemingly a lot

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Speaker 5: around here is man receivers just weren't open. There there's

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Speaker 5: no separation. And I know there are bigger receivers in

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Speaker 5: this draft guys that can go vertical. How much do

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Speaker 5: you think it is a situation though, just based on

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Speaker 5: this team and what they need that the Cowboys, if

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Speaker 5: they're going to look at receiver, they need to go

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Speaker 5: for some that really are great route runners and know

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Speaker 5: how to create separation.

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Speaker 7: If I'm understanding your question correctly, I think finding versatility

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Speaker 7: to match with CDs versatility.

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Speaker 6: Is that kind of what you're going for there?

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Speaker 2: Well, not necessarily, I think what I want stud to

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Speaker 2: get open.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it run great guys.

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Speaker 2: Ris.

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Speaker 5: By the way, we have some receiver. We have some receivers.

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Speaker 5: There's some receivers in the NFL. I would consider CD

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Speaker 5: one of them. CD is a great receiver. I wouldn't

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Speaker 5: consider his greatest greatest asset being he gets separation, like

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Speaker 5: he just knows how to catch the ball in track.

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Speaker 8: Is one of the best quarterbacks in the league when

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Speaker 8: it comes to throwing contested balls. And to your point,

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Speaker 8: you know, I think a lot of it has to

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Speaker 8: do Derek was scheme, you know, and and you watch

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Speaker 8: I mean I watched Chip Kelly with this Ohio State offense.

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Speaker 8: Now Chip Kelly is moving on to the Las Vegas Raiders.

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Speaker 8: I watched Chip Kelly with this Ohio State group and

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Speaker 8: the way the crossing routes, the vertical routes, the hitches things,

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Speaker 8: He's putting guys on the move. And you know that quarterback,

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Speaker 8: Well Howard did a heck of a job. I mean,

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Speaker 8: you where where he came from to where he was

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Speaker 8: at Ohio State. He looked like a completely different quarterback

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Speaker 8: playing And a lot of it has to do with

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Speaker 8: the ability to scheme guys open. And you're you're one

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Speaker 8: of the most talented teams in the country. You won

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Speaker 8: the National championship for that reason because you have the players,

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Speaker 8: You had the skill on the outside, whether it was

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Speaker 8: vertical skill, whether it was crossing skill, hit skill, screen skill.

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Speaker 8: You know, there's ways that you can create to get

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Speaker 8: these guys open. I think this guy when I watch

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Speaker 8: him play, just the smoothness that he plays and that

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Speaker 8: ability to separate. But a lot of these quarterbacks in

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Speaker 8: the National Football League are now having to throw contested routes.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's you could scheme certain routes open, but

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Speaker 8: there's some that are going to be contested plays. But

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Speaker 8: that I mean, he's comfortable throwing that type of you know,

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Speaker 8: is it always successful. No, is it successful in enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Of the time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's up of a quarterback you have you can

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Speaker 5: get away with not having you get Yeah.

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Speaker 8: But I'm not saying I don't want a core. I

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Speaker 8: don't want receivers that don't separate. But some of these

877
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 8: receivers that Nick and I have been talking about on

878
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 8: the Draft show don't separate. But you absolutely would take

879
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 8: him in the first, second, third round.

880
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: You would absolutely take him.

881
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 8: And like I said, you know, you look at you

882
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 8: look at this these contested catches. This guy was thirty

883
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 8: first in the country when it came to that. You

884
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 8: think of all the wide receivers in college football, and

885
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 8: this guy has a separate But okay, now the ball. Now,

886
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 8: now the corners made a play on the ball, or

887
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 8: the safety's making a play in the ball. You gotta

888
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 8: have guys when that happens to be able to make plays.

889
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 8: And that's why I would draft a kid like this.

890
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 8: I think that there is so much to like about

891
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 8: this player. The mental makeup I talked, We talked about

892
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 8: toughness earlier, his ability to get open touchdowns, finish, you know,

893
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 8: mentality of like, Okay, I'm not the number one guy here.

894
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 8: I'm gonna fit in. I'm gonna do what I have

895
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 8: to do. This kid makes a lot of sense.

896
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 7: Nick, You're I'm gonna go with a trade back scenario

897
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 7: in the first round here just because I don't.

898
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 3: I don't think I gotta get fancy.

899
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: Huh. But the text in saynything about trade back, Snario is.

900
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 3: Making his own.

901
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 7: It did not because I wouldn't necessarily take this guy

902
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 7: at twelve, but I think, okay, trade back and pick

903
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 7: up some picks. This would be a really specific where

904
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 7: him back to let's go to like twenty three.

905
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, twenty that's a nice drop.

906
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 6: Yeah it is. You're picking up some good value.

907
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 3: You probably get loved my numbers.

908
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 7: You probably get two maybe three picks out of that.

909
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 7: You could you could really make something fancy with that.

910
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 7: I'm going with Gray's abel offensive line out of North

911
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 7: Dakota State, all right, interior guy bringing a plane and

912
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 7: this team. It would be right guard. But I think

913
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 7: he has the potential to play anywhere in the interior,

914
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 7: and it would give Connor Riley, the new offensive line

915
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 7: coach here Dallas, some flexibility on what he would want

916
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 7: to do.

917
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 6: Maybe with a.

918
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 7: Cooper Bebie and that flexibility could extend out to the

919
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 7: tackle position too. With Okay, let's say Tyler Guidon is

920
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 7: having another struggling year in twenty twenty five, Okay, you

921
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 7: have enough confidence in a guy like grays Abel to

922
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 7: put him at left guard even and kick Tyler Smith out.

923
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 7: That's I'm just saying. This guy gives you flexibility. This

924
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 7: guy gives you some versatility inside. He's a bruiser, like

925
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 7: I mentioned, versatile. He has a quick anchor. He creates

926
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 7: a pocket depth super fast. He was one of the

927
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 7: guys that I came way with most impressed from immobile.

928
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 7: His strength rarely has him knocked off balance, but he

929
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 7: does have short arms, hence the projection inside. He has

930
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 7: played four of the five offensive line positions at his

931
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 7: time at North Dakota State. But this is a strictly

932
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 7: interior guy. He needs to be a little bit better

933
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 7: in the run block category. I think that's probably where

934
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 7: he needs the most improvement coming into the NFL, and

935
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 7: my my NFL player camp for him. Funny enough, another

936
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 7: North Dakota State guy, just because it reminded me of

937
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 7: him when he was coming out, was Cody Mauk out

938
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 7: of Tampa Bay who's now starting for them at right

939
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 7: guard and has been really really solid for them. And again,

940
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 7: where where he would fit. I'd see him at right guard,

941
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 7: but really wherever you would want in the interior.

942
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 6: I like this player.

943
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 7: And going back to Connor Riley, before he was at

944
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 7: Kansas State, he was at North Dakota State. So there's

945
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 7: a lot of uh, you know, background that he could

946
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 7: pick up on Zabel as well that I think would

947
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 7: be able to translate to this building.

948
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy.

949
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 8: I Nick nailed this kid, and I think you could

950
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 8: play him in a power scheme, you could play him

951
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 8: in a zone scheme, and I think he'll be just fine.

952
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 8: He's got agility, he easily makes cut off blocks, he

953
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 8: makes reach blocks, I mean the knee bend as a

954
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 8: pass protector. You can watch him against Colorado to open

955
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 8: today if you're thinking about we, oh wait a minute,

956
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 8: he plays at North Dakota State.

957
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: By the way, North Dakota State. They're folks.

958
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 8: They live here in Frisco because they're in that National

959
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 8: championship game.

960
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 3: Every single year.

961
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you think you're you have.

962
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 8: Green Bay Packer fans in town with that color scheme

963
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 8: that they got, But this guy. This guy is a

964
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 8: good one. He could play tackle, he could play guard.

965
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 8: They've used him at some center. He didn't look uncomfortable

966
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 8: playing that way. The trade back scenario, there's a lot

967
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 8: of people talking about him as a late one.

968
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: Type of a player.

969
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 8: So where Nick dropped you back to, I'm sure he

970
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 8: picked up some good draft capital along the way. He

971
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 8: got our fourth round pick back some way, maybe got

972
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 8: us an extra third along the way. So yeah, but

973
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 8: a player like that, absolutely, at twenty four, you would

974
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 8: consider a guy like this. He's he's risen up the

975
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 8: draft boards that much, but it's not just rising on

976
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 8: his own. This is the ability when you really really

977
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 8: watch him and then you watch him against the good

978
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 8: competition where he's shown up.

979
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 4: I like everything he said in inch, but then he

980
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 4: just casually threw him their own and he needs to

981
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 4: improve on the run block. And then you kept talking

982
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 4: and then that you lost me right there, I mean,

983
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 4: does not give you any pause, And he's like, Okay,

984
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 4: hold up, this is an area that you we gotta

985
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 4: make sure if we're this guy.

986
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 2: I think this guy sells as a drive blocker. I do, okay.

987
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: I think there's some things When Nick said it.

988
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 8: I was kind of like going, I don't know, man,

989
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 8: there's things when like you say, when I'm talking about

990
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 8: the scoops, the reaches, things like that, but there are

991
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 8: things that he does as a drive blocker getting into guys. Now,

992
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 8: there's one of my one of my favorite players is

993
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 8: Lampkin from North Carolina. You talking about stay on guys,

994
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 8: center staying, but he's only five to ten. Here's a

995
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 8: five and seventy five pound center guard from North Carolina.

996
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 8: He's he blows away any metrics that you I've never

997
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 8: seen a player like this, But we talk about a

998
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 8: guy that sticks on to the guy and finish. You know,

999
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 8: Gray's Abel And I'm really again, I appreciate Nick bringing

1000
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 8: him up because I think that's the spot that Gray's

1001
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 8: Abel is probably going to go at. And I do

1002
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 8: think he's probably got a little bit better run blocking traits.

1003
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 8: I know I see it that way. And you know

1004
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 8: in the knee been with the pass protection and all that.

1005
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 8: This guy is going to be a valuable player for somebody.

1006
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 8: He should have He should have very well been playing

1007
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 8: in a Big ten school. He you know, they and

1008
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 8: and and scouts, Hey, we missed players.

1009
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: We miss him. We were missing when recruiting.

1010
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 8: I think this kid's got that ability where he could

1011
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 8: have played at a Wisconsin or played it a Michigan

1012
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 8: State or me even played in Michigan.

1013
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: The way that he plays, Yeah.

1014
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 7: I probably should have furthered My point there. The reason

1015
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 7: I say that is when he when he comes down

1016
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 7: on his run block, he gets really wide and he

1017
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 7: can get grabby, and he's he's had holding penalties called

1018
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 7: in that in that area. So that's why I say

1019
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 7: the red flag. Well that's.

1020
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: Tyler Smith was a holder too.

1021
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take him again, give me another one, I'll

1022
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: take him all. I appreciate you guys.

1023
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: Jones.

1024
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: We'll be back next week.

1025
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 5: Uh is happening next week, so we'll get into some

1026
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 5: of the information around the combine, some of the things

1027
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 5: we're looking at as we enter that. I think when

1028
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 5: we have our show that they won't have started. I

1029
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 5: don't think they'll start at workouts by then, but it'll

1030
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 5: be close. It'll be starting around Thursday, I think is

1031
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 5: when they'll get started. We'll have a lot to talk about.

1032
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 4: Y'all hear next week.

1033
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not saying so whatever.

1034
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 3: You know you were going to you're gonna come bye

1035
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 3: toa Oh.

1036
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm crying right now because the show going to

1037
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 8: the combine and it ain't my show.

1038
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: How did that happen?

1039
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 5: Never mind, I never mind, never mind, I'm not we'll

1040
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 5: talk about that, right.

1041
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: I don't wanna. I don't want to take you to

1042
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 3: a bad place.

1043
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 2: All right.

1044
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 3: We appreciate you, guys, Jones. We'll be back next week

1045
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 3: or maybe the week after. We'll see so then, for

1046
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: Nick Harris, Brian brought us to Ambergarcia. I'm Derek Eagleton.

1047
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,520
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1048
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:44,560
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1049
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1050
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