1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: The second full day of President Trump's impeachment trial has 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: just concluded, and Senator Ted Cruze has come straight from 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: the Capitol to our studio here to help give us 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: all a behind the scenes look into what this means 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: for the president and the country. This is Verdict with 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz. Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz. I'm 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: Michael Knowles. I am joined by the Senator himself, clearly 8 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: a glutton for punishment, not sleeping at all this week, 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: going straight from the impeachment trial to the studio, right 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: back to the Capitol. Well, Michael, I'm thrilled that it's 11 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: at least eleven PM and not three in the morning 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: like it was last night. This is an early night. 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: It's been twenty two hours now the impeachment trial, and 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: we've still got a distance to go. But but we're 15 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: making progress. You know what I want to do before 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: we get into what happened today, because I think some 17 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: significant things happened today. We're twenty two hours in. I 18 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: think the vast majority of Americans have completely tuned out 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: this impeachment. They are simply not paying attention. What is 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: it that the House Democrats are accusing President Trump? Of 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: having done what is at the core of this whole 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: impeachment trial. So the House Democrats voted out two articles 23 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: of impeachment. The first one is something they're calling abusive power. 24 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: The second one they're calling obstruction of Congress. Neither one 25 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: of those is a crime. Neither one of those I 26 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: believe is an impeachable offense. But what do those refer 27 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: to specifically? So abusive powers where they focused most of 28 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: their time, And what they're arguing is that the president 29 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: delayed military aid to Ukraine. Now, Ukraine, as a country 30 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: in Europe, used to be part of the Soviet Union, 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: broke off. It's now separate democracy, it's a friend, it's 32 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: an ally. Remember back in twenty fourteen when Obama was president, 33 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: Russia invaded Ukraine invaded what's what's called Crimea, and Russian 34 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: and Ukraine have been in real tension. The Ukrainians don't 35 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: like that. The Russians have had a bad history of 36 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: riding in with tanks and invading their country, and so 37 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: we've given them military aid. And what the Democrats are 38 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: arguing is the President delayed that military aid in exchange 39 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: for asking Ukraine to launch two investigations, one an investigation 40 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: into whether Ukraine had interfered in the twenty sixteen presidential election, 41 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: the election between Trump and Hillary. Okay, and two an 42 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: investigation into Barisma, which is a Ukrainian natural gas company 43 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: that on whose board Hunter Biden, Joe Biden's son sat. 44 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: They'd paid Biden a whole lot of money and it 45 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: was not for his expertise in Ukrainian natural gas. Well, 46 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: that is certainly true, right, So this is what people 47 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: referred to as the quid pro quo. Yes, that Trump 48 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: was withholding military aid and he wasn't going to release 49 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 1: the aid until they launched an investigation into the bidens 50 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: because he is afraid that he's going to run against 51 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: Joe Biden twenty twenty. And they've spent almost every minute 52 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: of the last twenty two hours trying to prove those 53 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: two points. Okay, here's the problem. Number one, temporarily delaying 54 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: military aid is not illegal, and it's not an impeachable offense. 55 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: Presidents have done that over and over and over again 56 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: all sorts of foreign aid. You see temporary delays that 57 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: are put into place. But number two, asking a foreign 58 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: country to engage in an investigation is not illegal on 59 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: its face. And it's not an impeachable offense that that's 60 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: what there's And in fact, the President admits he asked 61 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: Ukraine to engage in these investigations. So it's it's really 62 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: kind of stunning. They're standing up there arguing over and 63 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: over again the President wanted Ukraine to investigate, and Trump 64 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: has said on live TV over and over again, yes, 65 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: I wanted Ukraine to investigate. We've seen the transcript from 66 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: this phone call with the President of Ukraine right this 67 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: was released. I know most people's eyes glaze over when 68 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: when everyone gets into the weeds over what he did 69 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: with Ukraine and is that impeachable and on and on 70 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: and on. But I think we all basically agree on 71 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: the facts of the case, which is they withheld the AID, 72 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: then they release the aid. President Trump did ask for 73 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: an investigation by Ukraine into this corruption. And I guess 74 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: what doesn't make sense to me is they impeach the 75 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: president for this except Ukraine got the AID and we 76 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: never got an investigation into the corruption. Well, and it's 77 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: even you're right on both of those points, but but 78 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: but even more broadly so, so it's the narrative from 79 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: the House Democrats has changed. You remember there was for 80 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: a couple of months we were hearing over and over 81 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: again the phrase quit pro quo. Right, quit pro quo 82 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: is a sort of phrase. Look, most people don't know 83 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: quit pro quo means. It's a Latin phrase. It sounds 84 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: kind of scary. Quit pro quos are not illegal. This 85 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: would surprise anyone who's turning on the six o'clock news, 86 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: because the media we're breathlessly saying, oh my god, this 87 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: may have been a quid pro quo. So Quid pro 88 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: quo is Latin for an exchange of something of value 89 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: for something else of value. It means literally, this for 90 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: that right, I give you this, you give me that. 91 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: You know, it would take a Yale graduate to to 92 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: really dive down on the Latin transfer. You know what 93 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: it is. It's my Roman heritage, that's where it comes from. 94 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: But look, quid pro quos in foreign policy, we do 95 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: every single day that they're not only not illegal, that's 96 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: it's the bread and butter of foreign policy. I'll give 97 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: you an example. Nicholas Maduro is the dictator of Venezuela. 98 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: Right now, we have sanctions, economic sanctions in place against Venezuela. 99 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: We have said if if Maduro steps down, we'll lift 100 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: those sanctions. That's a quid pro quo. It's out and 101 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: it's open. We're lifting sanctions if Maduro steps down. You 102 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: look at Obama's a rand nuclear deal. That was a 103 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: quid pro quo. Obama gave over one hundred billion dollars 104 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: to Iran in exchange for a promise not to develop 105 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons. Now that's a promise they weren't keeping, and 106 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: they use the money to try to kill Americans. But 107 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: that was a quick pro quote, right, So all of 108 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: this focus on was this a quid pro quote misses 109 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: the point. The question is whether it was done with 110 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: corrupt intent, and that all comes down to whether these investigations, 111 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: whether the President had a valid reason to ask U 112 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: Crane to engage in these investigations and to withhold the 113 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: aid either or both. But the real peace. If the 114 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: President had a valid reason, the legitimate reason to ask 115 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: U Crane to engage in the investigations, then everything the 116 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: House is saying, everything the House Democrats are saying, is nonsense. 117 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: And what is interesting now two days into it is 118 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: they've devoted virtually every moment to trying to prove that 119 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: he asked for the investigations, which he admits, which we 120 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: already know this is something which we and almost zero 121 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: to proving that asking for the investigations was illegitimate or inappropriate. Well, 122 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: this is what I want to get to. So you've 123 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: now had to sit through twenty two hours of this 124 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: because there were three groups here, right There's there were 125 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: the House Democrats. They're being led by Adam Schiff and 126 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: they're the people who are pushing impeachment. There's President Trump's 127 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: legal team, the White House Counsel and his lawyer, and 128 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: they're the ones defending the president. Then there's the jury 129 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: because this is a trial, and this is a special 130 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: jury because the jury is you, guys, the senators are 131 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: the jury in the impeachment trial. You've been listening to this, 132 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: and let me correct you briefly and something. Yes, the 133 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: senators of the jury, but oddly enough we're also the judges. 134 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: And it's a strange dynamic under the Constitution. The hundred 135 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: senators decide every question of law and every question of fact. 136 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: And it's not a jury like you know, if you 137 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: turn on Law and Order, it's not a jury like 138 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: that you think about it. A jury is not supposed 139 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: to know anything about the case. Is not supposed to know. 140 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: The defendant is not supposed to know the prosecutor is 141 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: not supposed to have conversations in this case senators. Look, 142 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: Senators deal with the president, deal with the president all 143 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: the time. The Framers knew that when the Constitution gave 144 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: impeachment to the Senate, they knew fully well senators would 145 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: be dealing with players, would be involved, would be speaking 146 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: to the public. And so actually, I will point out 147 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: that the President did tweet out this very podcast today, 148 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: so obviously there is some relationships. Sure, But you know, 149 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: it's interesting when Bill Clinton had an impeachment trial, there 150 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: was actually an objection. So one of the people in 151 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: the trial referred to the senators as jurors, and they 152 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: raise an objection and Chief Justice William Rehnquist, who's the 153 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: Chief Justice, sustain the objection and said, you're right, you're 154 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: not jurors, your senators. And it's a different responsibility under 155 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: the country because it's because not to get even more 156 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: complicated here, but there is a fourth role, which is 157 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, head of 158 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, is presiding over impeachment, but he's not 159 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: quite a normal judge, and the jury is not quite 160 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: a normal jury. And that is because an impeachment trial 161 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: is unlike other kinds of trials very much so. Now 162 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: you've spent twenty two hours listening to these two arguments 163 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: from the House Democrats. And let me say, by the way, 164 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: to lock a hundred senators in a room and to 165 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: prevent all of them from speaking. Look, I gotta say, 166 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: every one of us is suffering DTS. There's a reason 167 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm launching a damn podcast in the middle of this. 168 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: I can't not talk for that long. It's so about 169 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: medical treatments. Well, you know, they used to say that 170 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: the most dangerous place in Washington, DC was between Chuck 171 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: Schumer and a television camera. Now I think have we 172 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: actually don't know, because no one's ever survived that experience. 173 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: It's true, we need more investigation. I'm actually thinking, having 174 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: watched the House Democrats case for impeachment, I think the 175 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: most dangerous place might be between Adam Schiff and a camera, 176 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: because he's the one leading that case. And I just 177 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: want to hear your thoughts on how each side is 178 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: presenting their case. The House Democrats pushing impeachment, the White 179 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: House lawyers defending the president. So yesterday we had procedural 180 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: fights all day long. Half the time was the House Democrats, 181 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: half the time was President Trump's lawyers. I thought they 182 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: both did fine. I thought they both presented their case. 183 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: When you and I talk last night, I shared my 184 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: views that I think I think the White House lawyers 185 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: need to focus less on process and more on substance, 186 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: more on demonstrating why the president is innocent, why the 187 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: conduct that he admits to is not illegal, is not inappropriate, 188 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: and is perfectly legitimate and justified for a president to 189 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: investigate corruption and to ask a foreign government to investigate corruption. 190 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: That they need to make more of the affirmative case. 191 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: So you've argued a lot of high profile cases. So 192 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: what you're saying is maybe we're missing a little bit 193 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: of the thirty thousand foot view. We're missing a little 194 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: bit of the big picture from the White House. You 195 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: can get lost in the weeds, and it's easy to 196 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: do it, and I don't want that to happen to 197 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: the American people. They just see a lot of bickering 198 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The underlying 199 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: If you want to understand this, case, in one sentence, 200 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 1: can the president investigate corruption? Yes or no? Okay? And 201 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: the Democrats are saying, no, you can't investigate corruption. That 202 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: he couldn't ask Ukraine to investigate Barisma, this natural gas 203 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: company because Joe Biden, his son was making millions of 204 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: dollars from him, and that is nuts. That's not a 205 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: very good argument. Any president has the authority to investigate corruption, 206 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: but has the responsibility to investigate corruption, And so I 207 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: think we need to be talking more about the substance. 208 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: So today though President Trump's lawyers didn't get to talk 209 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: at all, so we're an opening argument. Day was all 210 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: day long, nothing but House Democrats the Adam shifts show. 211 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: That's not easy to say three times. By the way, 212 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: there's some slips that come in there sometimes. But they 213 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: were presenting their case, and as I said, it's all 214 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: focused on proving things that everyone agrees to. How did 215 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: they do in the sense of the political theater. Do 216 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: you think, if you're just judging this from the effectiveness 217 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: of their objectives, that the House Democrats are making a 218 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: good argument? Look, I think for I think most partisans 219 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: stayed where they are. In other words, if you hate 220 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: President Trump and think he's the embodiment of evil. You 221 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: probably thought today was a wonderful day because it featured 222 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: ten hours of House Democrats describing how horrible Donald Trump is. 223 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: If you think, if you think the President has done 224 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: a good job and we've gotten good results, and you're 225 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: tired of House Democrats just attacking the president all day long, 226 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: then today was really hard to listen to. And it 227 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: was made worse by the fact that it was incredibly repetitive. 228 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: So yesterday, when we were having procedural arguments, the House 229 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: Democrats basically gave their opening argument right, and then today 230 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: they turned around and gave the same thing. So they 231 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: keep making the same points and playing the same clips 232 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: and reading the same quotes over and over and over again. 233 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: And we've got two more days of opening arguments. We're 234 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: gonna spend all day long tomorrow, all day long the 235 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: next day with them making them. Did anything new happen 236 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: in terms of the Democrats case, I think the single 237 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: biggest thing and I think I think the House Democrats 238 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: made a strategic mistake, which is they opened the door 239 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: to Hunter Biden testify. Now here's why Adam Schiff got 240 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: up and he argued in his opening argument. He based 241 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: their whole case on the proposition that the two investigations 242 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: that the President asked for were sham investigations. I want 243 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: to read you a little bit from what Adam Schiff said. 244 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: He said he said that he the President wanted Ukraine 245 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: to launch investigations quote that were completely without merit, that 246 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: were sham investigations that he later says, the allegations are 247 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: untrue and they've quote been widely debunked patent lee false. 248 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: So that's the central question, that these investigations are untrue. Now, 249 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: let's take Barisma, which is the most important of the investigation. Okay, Barisma, 250 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: big natural gas company, has had major problems with corruption. 251 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: Tomorrow when we talk, we're gonna talk a little bit 252 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: more about the evidence on Barisma that that the White 253 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: House lawyers have laid out and the media doesn't want 254 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: to talk about. I want to drill down. We'll do 255 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: it tomorrow because it's going to take a lot of time, 256 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: but I want to drill down into Barisma and Hunter Biden. Yes. 257 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: To me, that seems like the whole heart of this 258 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: impeachment question. It is the whole ball of wax. Now 259 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: the Democrats look in the House. House Republicans wanted to 260 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: call Hunter Biden as a witness, and Adam Schiff said no, 261 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: said we're not allowing you. And it was interesting yesterday 262 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: Adam Schiff said, if you have a trial and don't 263 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: allow the defendant to put on evidence of innocence, it's 264 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: not a fair trial, right, And it was you know, 265 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: it was all I could do not to laugh out loud, 266 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: because that's what they did in the House, because they 267 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: base their whole case on arguing that asking for an 268 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: investigation into Barisma is false and completely without merit. It 269 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: raises not just as relevant, but but as central to 270 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: the defense. Okay, what evidence was there that this was 271 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: real corruption that needed to be investigated? And even beyond 272 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: I mean, because I think when you get into this 273 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: Ukrainian company and this relative of Joe Biden, it's easy 274 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: to get lost in it. I just wonder, if you're 275 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: investigating the question of whether Trump should or should not 276 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: have asked for this investigation, whether that's an impeachable offense, 277 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: perhaps the most important person to talk to and get 278 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: testimony from would be Hunter Biden to ask him. And 279 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: by the way, I don't know as a fact that 280 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: it was corrupt. There's a lot of indication that it 281 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: could well have been, but the House Democrats have had 282 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: zero interest in asking, and they run around with their 283 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: hair on fire if you even suggest that anyone would ask, 284 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: much less ask Joe Biden. You know, hey, Joe, why 285 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: why was your son getting paid a million bucks a 286 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: year by a gas company? We didn't know anything about gas? 287 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, this is not subtle and sophisticated, right, 288 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: But if the House Democrats are going to stop that, 289 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: they do not want Hunter Biden to testify. Obviously, Joe 290 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: Biden is right now the front runner in the twenty 291 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: twenty Democratic presidential race, so they really don't want Hunter 292 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: Biden to testify last time I checked. Although I do 293 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: have to say I kind of wonder if Bernie and 294 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warred and klobuch Are are secretly rooting rooting for 295 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: Joe and Hunter to testified, but they haven't indicated that 296 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: they have not yet. However, they could give a little 297 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: support to their Republican colleagues, because last time I checked, 298 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: it is your political party that controls the Senate. So 299 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: can the Republicans in the Senate make Hunter Biden testify 300 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: before the Senate. Absolutely, it takes fifty one votes, fifty 301 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: one Republicans, we can call Hunter Biden. Now, the way 302 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: it works actually is the parties call the witnesses. So 303 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: what it would mean, as President Trump's lawyers, if they 304 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: want to call Hunter Biden, I've been saying for months, 305 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: we ought to call Hunter Biden. Why. Look the prosecutors 306 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: the House Democrats, they had seventeen witnesses in the House. 307 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: They built the prosecution side in what was basically a 308 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: kangaroo court where you say only prosecution witnesses, and we 309 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: don't allow the White House to call witnesses. So you've 310 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: got seventeen witnesses for the anti Trump pro impeachment side, 311 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: and you've got zero witnesses. The president had not been 312 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: able to call a single witness. Now, if the president 313 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: could call one, I'm pretty sure it would be Hunter Biden. 314 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: If the president could call too, it might be Hunter 315 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: Biden and the so called whistleblower. If you could call three, 316 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: my guess is Joe Biden might be number three on that. 317 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: We can call those witnesses or any others, and it 318 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: just takes fifty one votes. We have fifty three Republicans. 319 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: So if you simply have Republicans saying, you know what, 320 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: we want to have a fair trial. One side has 321 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: had all their witnesses. The other side, the defendant, the accused, 322 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: has had zero witnesses. That's not fair. So is it 323 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: going to happen? I mean, is the White House going 324 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: to call Hunter Biden to testify? So it's up in 325 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: the air. The fight we had yesterday as we adopted 326 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: basically the same scheduling order the Clinton impeachment trial had, 327 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,479 Speaker 1: which is we'll go through opening arguments and questions from 328 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: senators first, and then we'll decide whether additional witnesses are needed. 329 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: And so the House Democrats they want to call a 330 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: bunch of additional witnesses. The big one they're focusing on 331 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: is John Bolton. John Bolton was the National security advisor 332 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: to President Trump. They think they're going to get some 333 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: dirt on Trump out of John bull that that is 334 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: their big focus. Next week, the Senator is going to 335 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: vote whether we're going to have additional witnesses or not. 336 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: And it's going to make a big difference because you know, 337 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: one of the things you and I were talking about 338 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: a little earlier is how long is this thing going 339 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: to last, I really want to know that because I 340 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: don't live in Washington, DC, so I got to make 341 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: some plans. Well, the vote next week on witnesses will 342 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: make a massive difference. Okay. If fifty one Senators vote 343 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: next week we don't need any more witnesses, We've got 344 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: all the evidence we need, then the trial will end 345 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: next week, we'll move to final judgment, and if and 346 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: when that happens, the president will be acquitted because because 347 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: the House Democrats haven't proven their case. Okay. On the 348 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: other hand, if fifty one senators vote that we do 349 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: need additional witnesses, then it's Katie bar the door. Then 350 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: this thing could easily last weeks or even months. You 351 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: could see six, seven, eight, nine weeks, because if you 352 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: go down in additional witnesses, you're you're opening the door 353 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: to litigation, to assertion of privileges, to all sorts of delays. 354 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: We could be sitting here here months from now with 355 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: the impeachment trial still going on if we call additional 356 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: witness But if you call additional witnesses, then we might 357 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: finally hear from Hunter Biden. Now my question on this though, 358 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: is and by the way, if we do call additional witnesses. 359 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: I'm very confident we'll call Hunter Biden. But if you 360 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: call Hunter Biden, or rather if the White House calls 361 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: it Hunter Biden to testify before the Senate, can't Hunter 362 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: Biden just say I don't want to answer your questions. 363 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: I plead the fifth and I'm not gonna I'm not 364 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: going to say anything, so he can and if we 365 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: call Hunter Biden, he will almost certainly plead the fifth. 366 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: Now here's the interesting thing. There's a federal statue that 367 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: gives the Senate the authority to grant him what's called 368 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: transactional immunity, which means we can force him to testify. Now, 369 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: he can't be prosecuted for anything he testifies to, Okay, 370 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: but you can find out, you can get his testimony, 371 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: and that's something the Senate can do, grant him immunity. 372 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: And I got to say that idea. You want to 373 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: talk about something to terrify forty seven Democrats in the Senate, 374 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: It is the fact that the Senate could grant Hunter 375 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: Biden immunity and hear his testimony about whether, in fact, 376 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: there was corruption from Joe Biden. And let's be clear, 377 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: this is not about lac Hunter Biden. It's a guy 378 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: who's led a troubled life. This is not about him. 379 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: This is the question about whether his dad abused his power. So, 380 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: in other words, I just want to be very clear 381 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: about this. Hunter Biden could be called to testify and 382 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: he could say I don't want to testify. I plead 383 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: the fifth And if he's going to be held responsible 384 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: for anything he did, then it ends there. However, the 385 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: Senate can give him immunity so he won't be held 386 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: responsible for any crimes he commits. And no reporter in 387 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: Washington knows this or understands this. But the Senate can 388 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: force Hunter Biden to testify. You can, and I'll give 389 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: an example. Take a criminal case. This is something prosecutors 390 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: do all the time. Let's say you have a criminal 391 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: case and you have, say, you know, some drug dealers 392 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: that that that you're investigating, and you've got say a 393 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: low level guy, a drug dealer. You'll see prosecutors that 394 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: will give that drug dealer immunity to flip on the 395 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: higher ups and to make them testify. Give them immunity 396 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: to flip on the higher ups. It's the same basic principle. 397 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: Immunity is not always a good thing, because it means 398 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: you can be forced to testify or be put in 399 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: jail if you don't. That is a lot of leverage. 400 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: I have to tell you, Senator, I have not heard 401 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: that anywhere else. I had no idea that the Senate 402 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: could make unter Biden testament. What reporters don't want to 403 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: talk about it. Reporters don't want to talk about barism 404 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: at all. They don't want to talk about the evidence 405 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: of corruption that I mean, I mean, they're that and 406 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: in fact, you know it's even funnier than that. So 407 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: the Joe Biden campaign is sending out angry letters to 408 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: media reporters saying, whenever you mentioned the allegations of corruption, 409 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 1: you must state on air these are false and have 410 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: been disproven. In what other instance are so called reporters 411 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: becoming an advocate? Look, I don't know if there was 412 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: corruption or not. I do know that there's prima facia 413 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: evidence something, and I know one way to find out. 414 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: At a minimum. The House Democrats don't even want to 415 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: ask the questions, and we ought to ask the questions. 416 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: Now are we going to have additional witnesses? I don't know. 417 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: Next week when we vote on it. All, forty seven 418 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: Democrats will vote yes. The question is are there going 419 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: to be four Republicans that vote yes? Maybe? I think 420 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: I could name a few Republicans who might be likely too. 421 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: There are three who have spoken publicly about being open 422 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: to it. It's not clear if there's a fourth. It's 423 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: not clear if those three will vote right. If we 424 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: have additional witnesses, We're going on for a long time. 425 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: But that means we may get John Bolton in, but 426 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna get Hunter Biden. We may get other witnesses too. 427 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: This is the best argument I've heard so far for 428 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: dragging this thing onward. Obviously, we've got a whole lot 429 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: more to get to. We will be getting into Hunter Biden, 430 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: Bizma and corruption in Ukraine specifically tomorrow, because I know 431 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: pretty much nothing about it and you know pretty much 432 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: everything about it. So I want to I want to 433 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: hear that. Obviously, people need to subscribe and leave a 434 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: five star review. Please to this show. It is Verdict 435 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: with Ted Cruz and we are now up on Apple podcasts. 436 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: We are on YouTube or on Spotify. We are everywhere 437 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. One thing we want we want 438 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: to do in these shows because there is so much 439 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: to cover. Is take your questions from the mail bags. 440 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: So we have a few of these today that came 441 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: out after our first episode. In just our remaining one 442 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: or two minutes here, let's try to get through a 443 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: couple of them, all right, from timmy Senator Cruise, who 444 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: fell asleep? Twenty two hours of testimony? Who fell asleep? 445 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: So there's been some reporting that accused Jim Rish of 446 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: falling asleep. I didn't see that. I got to admit it. 447 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,719 Speaker 1: Points I kind of feel like all of us fell asleep. 448 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: Did you mean it was? I didn't formally not off, 449 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: I will say so Jim's defense and his press spokesperson 450 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: said he was closing his eyes and listening contemplatively. I 451 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: you know, I've tried that with Heidi at home. I'm 452 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: not sure that the story always that's not a great excuse, no, 453 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: but but I gotta admit last night, so I will say, 454 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: when we were there at two in the morning, I 455 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 1: was asking Chuck Grassley. Yeah, you know, Iowa farmer, eighty 456 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: six years old. Chuck is an early bird. And I 457 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: asked Chuck last night, I said, all right, what time 458 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: do you get up each morning, and Chuck said four Now. 459 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: He said he didn't get it. I didn't ask him 460 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: what time he got up to day, but he said, 461 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: I won't get up at four am. When he was 462 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: there at two. He was still at the senator for it. 463 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: But Buddy, it was you know, look, we met, we 464 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: stayed awake. I'm not sure much of America did. But 465 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: but the hundred senators by and large name that almost 466 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: sounds like you're pleading the fifth This brings up the 467 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: immunity arguments. I don't We'll have to get into that tomorrow. 468 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: La final question from Carl do you think senator that 469 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: they will try to impeach President Trump again if this 470 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: one fails. I think they'll certainly be Democrats that want to. 471 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: They could easily. I don't think Pelosi wants to. So 472 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: one of the interesting things you look, a year ago, 473 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: Pelosi was saying, don't impeach Trump. A partisan impeachment doesn't work. 474 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: I think Pelosi thinks impeachment. I think she thought it 475 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: was going to backfire. I think she thinks it's backfired now. 476 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: And basically the far left that hates Trump dragged her 477 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: into doing this. So I was having a conversation with 478 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: one of the other Republican senators today, he was saying, 479 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: why are they doing this now? Why didn't they do 480 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: this in June or July? And that was my comment 481 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: to him, is I think Pelosi thinks this is a 482 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: political loser and she wants to get it over with. 483 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: So will the extreme left one will try to impeach 484 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: Trump over and over and over again. Yes, but I'd 485 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: be surprised if the House goes out in this road. 486 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: It didn't even occur to me that they could try 487 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: to impeach him again. I mean, I guess there have 488 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: been a whole bunch of excuses for impeachment since the beginning. 489 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: Six out of seven of the House Democrat impeachment managers 490 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: actual supported impeachment before we knew anything about the current 491 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: excuse to impeach. A lot of these Democrats called for 492 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: impeaching Trump within days of his being elected, before he'd 493 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: been sworn in. So this has nothing to do with Ukraine. 494 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: This has to do with Trump derangement, center right, and 495 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: that's going to continue regardless. And yet somewhere at the 496 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: heart of all this that nobody's talking about in the 497 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: press are not covering, is this incident, this corruption in Ukraine, 498 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: the question of Beisma, the question of Hunter Biden, we 499 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: will have to get into. By the way, the Obama 500 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 1: administration wouldn't investigate it. The Obama Justice Department wouldn't investigate it. 501 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: There was no accountability. And I got to say, when 502 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm back home in Texas, the frustration about folks in 503 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: the prior administration who abused power and were never held accountable. 504 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: That frustration is massive, and and and and it still 505 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,719 Speaker 1: needs to be dealt. Are they going to be held 506 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: accountable from the past administration book? I hope so they 507 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: haven't been so far, and and and they need to 508 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: be Law needs to be enforced fairly, regardless of party, 509 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: Which means the whole democratic argument that just because Joe 510 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: brock Biden as vice president you can't investigate when there's 511 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: enormous evidence of corruption, that that's a pretty bogus argument. 512 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: It's a pretty weak argument. I think hopefully we'll be 513 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: able to just dismantle it tomorrow night. We've got to 514 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: We've got to get you ready to go back on 515 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: the hill and listen to another ten hours of impeachment 516 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: debate in this trial. 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