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Speaker 1: What is going on everybody? John Middlecoff three and Out podcast,

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Speaker 1: Just watching McVeigh and Belichick give each other a little hug.

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Speaker 1: Rams win thirty to three, like like, Belichick was pretty

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Speaker 1: nice to him, pretty nice to him. Rams kicked their butt.

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Speaker 1: We'll dive into that. A lot else going on. We're

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Speaker 1: diving too, Sam Donald. Uh. Some thoughts on a little

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Speaker 1: NFC wild card race. We have some a f C

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Speaker 1: playoff picture stuff going on this weekend. Three for the Money,

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Speaker 1: No big deal. I'm twenty five and seventeen. Somehow my

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Speaker 1: actual real life, I lose a bunch of money. But

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Speaker 1: I've made you money if you followed my picks. Feel

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Speaker 1: pretty good about my picks. Uh. Don't don't sleep on

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Speaker 1: the Jacks. I've been riding the Jags the last three weeks.

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Speaker 1: They cover some spreads. Uh. And then of course the

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Speaker 1: Middlecoff mail bag at John Middlecoff is the Instagram handle.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to get on the show, The

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Speaker 1: People Show, we answer your questions at the end of

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Speaker 1: the show. Just slide up into those d ms. It's

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Speaker 1: easy to do. Also, I gotta keep hammering this home.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to the three and Out podcasts separate from Collins

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Speaker 1: feed leave review greatly appreciate it. I hope everyone had

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Speaker 1: a great week. Uh. I guess we'll start with the

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Speaker 1: money and I gave or not the money and I

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Speaker 1: gave the Thursday night game. It was pretty terrible. I

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Speaker 1: mean a huge part of it was. The quarterback play

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Speaker 1: was not great, especially Cam But we'll dive into him later.

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Speaker 1: I think now, listen, I was wrong originally on McVeigh.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a crazy higher four years ago

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Speaker 1: when it happened. Turns out he's an excellent coach. He's

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Speaker 1: big time. I uh, I shouldn't have aged discriminated because

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, and you're gonna see

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Speaker 1: a lot of coaches hired this offseason. Some of these

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Speaker 1: guys have been the league for a while. Some of

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Speaker 1: them haven't. You know, Cliff Kingsbury got a job a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago. All he'd ever done is played

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Speaker 1: and worked for Gruden, worked for Shanahan, worked for the

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Speaker 1: other Gruden like, he had seen a lot of different stuff.

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Speaker 1: He was prepared and it's worked out well. I'll give

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Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh a lot of credit on this one. He

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Speaker 1: has hired good coaches clearly when to me, the thing,

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Speaker 1: able to do that when he was thirty years old,

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Speaker 1: with good people, and now four or five years later

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Speaker 1: he has a much better feel for it. He moves

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Speaker 1: off Wade Phillips. He's hired Brandon Staley, who's done a

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Speaker 1: You know what. I think the Rams can compete to

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Speaker 1: in the league that I know, the analytical community in

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Speaker 1: the NFL value Jared Goff over Carson Wentz. The irony

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Speaker 1: He banged up? There were some reports about Jay Glazer

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Speaker 1: You have that much punishment for, you know, eight nine

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Speaker 1: Adam gaze pretty toxic right now. So Sam Donald to me,

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Speaker 1: I don't view him as a loser individually, but I

425
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Speaker 1: do think bad habits. You see it a lot in

426
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Speaker 1: the NBA. Really talented guys go to terrible situations and

427
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Speaker 1: they just become losers because it's a mentality. But the

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Speaker 1: great part about if you are Sam Donald, you are

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Speaker 1: given this opportunity winning franchises. The Steelers, the Colds, the

430
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Speaker 1: Niners might be interested in acquiring you, but the tape

431
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Speaker 1: says it all the famous line, and football is the

432
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Speaker 1: eye and the sky doesn't lie, and that's really what

433
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Speaker 1: they're evaluating you on. Especially I'm talking football guys. Chris

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Speaker 1: Ballard and Kevin Colbert are football junkies. They're not gms

435
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Speaker 1: that are into it for the money in the media.

436
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Speaker 1: They like watching tape. That's how they pick their players.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason Chris Ballard traded pick thirt team for

438
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Speaker 1: DeForest Buckner because if you are a film junkie and

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Speaker 1: you watch the Forest Buckner's career, he'd give you a

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Speaker 1: heart on. He plays his ass off. He gets every

441
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Speaker 1: ounce of talent on out of his ability possible as

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Speaker 1: a player. He could not get any more out of himself.

443
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 1: And I even thought as someone that watches the Niners religiously,

444
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Speaker 1: Like God, that's a lot to give up for divorce.

445
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Speaker 1: Buckner and I realized it, and that's why I've like,

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Speaker 1: I get why Chris Ballard is really successful. He doesn't

447
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Speaker 1: miss on many players because he values so much the

448
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Speaker 1: things you can truly see on tape. I think the

449
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Speaker 1: Steelers clearly due too, and Sam Donald has to put

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Speaker 1: more on tape. I'm talking like, die for a first down. Look,

451
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Speaker 1: just do some winning things. We see your ability to

452
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Speaker 1: move around and throw the ball, like just something's missing

453
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Speaker 1: right now, and all of a sudden, Sam Donald to

454
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Speaker 1: catch himself. You'll be on the Jaguars or some the Falcons,

455
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Speaker 1: just some average team before you blink. But the top

456
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Speaker 1: teams are watching you right now, and they're gonna have

457
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to acquire you because you're gonna be available.

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Speaker 1: So if anyone that knows Sam Donald's listening to this, like, bro,

459
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Speaker 1: you got to lay it on the line. I was

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night sitting there scroll on Twitter board watching I

461
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Speaker 1: actually rented the program. It's just the movie actually doesn't

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Speaker 1: hold up that well. There are some incredibly entertaining spots,

463
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Speaker 1: but there are also some boring spots. I basically just

464
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Speaker 1: rented the program to watch Lattimore. Uh, find out that

465
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Speaker 1: he was starting on defense and head butt the cars

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Speaker 1: and shatter the glass, which you know, when you look

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Speaker 1: back now the movie is twenty seven years old. He

468
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Speaker 1: kind of does some hesitation on the head button. It's

469
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Speaker 1: clearly fake glass. But again, incredible scene also when he's

470
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Speaker 1: doing the dead lifts and the coaches look at him

471
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Speaker 1: and he kicks the deal. I mean, it's just I

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Speaker 1: love Lattimore and Alvin Mack. But the part of the movie,

473
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Speaker 1: some of it isn't as good as I quite remember.

474
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Speaker 1: So now when I watch movies, especially if I've already

475
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Speaker 1: seen it, that's the problem with you know, having these phones.

476
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Speaker 1: Actually he's got the iPhone twelve plus Max or whatever,

477
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Speaker 1: the same thing as the my old seven or eight.

478
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Speaker 1: But so I'm scrawling and I see this guy. You know,

479
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Speaker 1: I followed a bunch of people from CNBC and it's

480
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Speaker 1: like this this guy from like the eighties, this uh,

481
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Speaker 1: this talk that he gave and his main message was

482
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Speaker 1: invest in things you know and can describe to someone

483
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Speaker 1: in like under twenty seconds. It was like an investment strategy,

484
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Speaker 1: right if you can't describe if you're betting on individual

485
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Speaker 1: stocks why you're investing in on those two. Basically, a

486
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Speaker 1: ten year old intend to twenty seconds. You probably shouldn't

487
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Speaker 1: be in that stock because you don't know enough about

488
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Speaker 1: it and it could clearly could go at any direction

489
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Speaker 1: in any moment. And I think, for in general the

490
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Speaker 1: stock market, things are out of your control. But I

491
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Speaker 1: invest in DraftKings, I pretty easily can to describe what

492
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Speaker 1: that does. I invest in a company called Revolve. It's

493
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Speaker 1: I think my girlfriend used a lot to shop for

494
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Speaker 1: clothes and the way the world's gonna it's like a

495
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Speaker 1: digital marketplace for checks sign check girls like chop and

496
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Speaker 1: uh made some money on that bad Boy And this

497
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Speaker 1: other company l C a tillman for Tita he invests in.

498
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Speaker 1: It's like a online video game gambling company like everything

499
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Speaker 1: on line. I can't stress it enough as someone who invests,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not really into the brick and mortar business anymore,

501
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Speaker 1: Like I don't know if we're ever gonna come back

502
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Speaker 1: full swing like what we've been for hopefully do with

503
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Speaker 1: small businesses, but like the big public companies, I think

504
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Speaker 1: the game's gonna dramatically change. No, I don't necessarily I'm

505
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Speaker 1: not some uh you know, have all the answers, but

506
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Speaker 1: it's just pretty clear the way we're gonna shop and

507
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Speaker 1: do business and gamble. And this is why I'm so

508
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Speaker 1: bullish on podcasts and why I've been out of the

509
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Speaker 1: radio space for about four or five years now. And

510
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Speaker 1: I've put all my chips in the middle of the

511
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Speaker 1: table because everyone consumes everything through this phone, and the

512
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Speaker 1: phone is basically, you know, the lifeblood for people like me,

513
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Speaker 1: but it's also the lifeblood just for humans. It's where

514
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Speaker 1: we shop, it's where we listen to audio, that's where

515
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Speaker 1: we do business, right, emails, h d M S, whatever.

516
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Speaker 1: It's a really really powerful tool. That's why, you know,

517
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Speaker 1: I never should have sold all my Apple stock back

518
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Speaker 1: when the pandemic hit, thinking they were gonna go under.

519
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Speaker 1: I gotta made a lot of money, but I'm an idiot.

520
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Speaker 1: So you like betting on things, you know, And I

521
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Speaker 1: think we're now we'll get into the a f C

522
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Speaker 1: playoff picture a little bit later, but the NFC playoff picture, basically,

523
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: the six teams are decided right now. You're you basically

524
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Speaker 1: have two teams for the seven spot. It's the Arizona

525
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Speaker 1: Cardinals in the Minnesota Vikings. And here's what I know.

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Speaker 1: If I gotta bet on one of those two teams,

527
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Speaker 1: I'm betting on the guy I know can win in

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Speaker 1: the league. I'm betting on the guy I know can

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Speaker 1: go to the playoffs. I'm betting on the guy that

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Speaker 1: is one big games, and that'd be Mike Zimmer. I've

531
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Speaker 1: been saying all along, I just I wasn't buying Cliff Kingsbury.

532
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Speaker 1: I'm not buying advanced Joseph. Even though I love the

533
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Speaker 1: I love the quarterback. Here's a problem for the quarterback. Though.

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Speaker 1: One thing you talk a lot about in draft meetings

535
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Speaker 1: is the size of human beings. Right. It's why as

536
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Speaker 1: a road scout, it's why you go to practices. You're

537
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Speaker 1: not gaining that much of practice, but you it to

538
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Speaker 1: see a player. You get to stand right next to him.

539
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Speaker 1: So when I go to Clemson's practice, I get to

540
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Speaker 1: stand next to Trevor Lawrence, against next to e t

541
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Speaker 1: n Same Obama Waddle, DeVante Smith, mac Jones, obviously all

542
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: the NFL prospects. You get to see him. You get

543
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Speaker 1: to stand right next to him, and you make notes

544
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Speaker 1: that you put into your report, So when you're talking

545
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: about them, when you're about when when your coaches and

546
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: GM's are gonna see this guy at the combine for

547
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: the first time, you get an idea, You get a

548
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: field where the guy needs some room for growth or

549
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: whether guys filled out, that matters. Say it all the time.

550
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: If you've never been to an NFL practice, and most

551
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Speaker 1: people never get the opportunity, and I've been lucky obviously

552
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: go to practice, but games, because when you go to practice,

553
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: it's really based on whether you work for a team,

554
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: or where you live, if you're in the media or whatever.

555
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: But when I get to go to a game, I

556
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Speaker 1: get to go on the field before the game, I

557
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Speaker 1: get to see another team that I never get to

558
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Speaker 1: see live. So when the I'll never forget. When the

559
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals were playing the Oakland Raiders in two thousand

560
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: and fifteen and the Raiders were starting to get some hype.

561
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Speaker 1: They had Jack del Rio, Mac and Carr and Amori,

562
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Speaker 1: and I remember the Bengals who had made the playoffs

563
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Speaker 1: several times, and a really good team came out of

564
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Speaker 1: the tunnel and I was like, these fucking guys are huge.

565
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: They were massive, and they molly woped the Raiders. They

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Speaker 1: went to the playoffs that year. I actually think that

567
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Speaker 1: was the year that uh Andy broke his thumb and

568
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: and what's his name from Alabama came in and they

569
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Speaker 1: I think they were one and done in the playoffs maybe,

570
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Speaker 1: but that team went healthy was just it was huge.

571
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Speaker 1: It was massive, and big players matter, right, It's just

572
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you would rather have

573
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Speaker 1: a guy with the same talents the bigger guy, if

574
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Speaker 1: all things being equal. Now Kyler is an exceptional player,

575
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Speaker 1: but he's small, and when these defensive linemen are falling

576
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Speaker 1: on him. For as athletic as he is, it's gonna

577
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Speaker 1: be hard for him to get up as smoothly as

578
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Speaker 1: Eliar Peyton Manning, as Roethlisberger, as Philip Rivers. They're just

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Speaker 1: bigger human beings. And I think you could make the

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Speaker 1: argument he's been on the injury report like he's ding up,

581
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Speaker 1: and how can a guy that small stay healthy for

582
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Speaker 1: his tenure career? Because I would bet on the talent

583
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: if he was healthy for the next ten years, guy

584
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: probably win an MVP. But my red flag on that

585
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: guy is gonna be his size. Now they're bigger. Red

586
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: flag is their coach. So these next four games and

587
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: the Minnesota has some tough games that they play Tampa

588
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: this week, but so does Arizona. They go on the

589
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: road to New York. Joe Judge has those guys playing well.

590
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: They just kicked a crap out of Seattle. But my

591
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: overall point is this one team started one in five

592
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Speaker 1: and is now six and six. The other team started

593
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Speaker 1: five and two and is now six and six. Here's

594
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Speaker 1: what I know. If Cliff Kingsbury's team started one in five,

595
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Speaker 1: they would have no chance to make the playoffs. He's

596
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Speaker 1: just not a good enough coach. The Vikings, I mean,

597
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: obviously I'm not saying this. Who knows, I don't control this.

598
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: They're not a lot to make the playoffs. But going

599
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: from one in five and being six and six and

600
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: he just passing the eye test like they're pretty good.

601
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is a guy. He's actually grown on me

602
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Speaker 1: a little bit, and I'm might be his weapons stealings

603
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: a stud. Justin Jefferson looks like a star. Obviously Dalvin's

604
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: a baller. But I'm betting on the Vikings. I'm betting

605
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Speaker 1: on what I know, and I'm shorting the team that

606
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Speaker 1: you know, I never believed in that much in the

607
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Speaker 1: first place. That is the one guy I believed in

608
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: is now injured, and he's by far the most important

609
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Speaker 1: person because I don't believe in the coach, never half.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't win in the Big twelve and the Big

611
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: twelves a joke beside Oklahoma, and he gets VENs Joseph

612
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: as the defense courts is not good enough. So I

613
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: think whenever you think about who you like in a

614
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: certain situation, just go who would you bet on? And

615
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Speaker 1: in this situation, with four games remaining, I'm taking my

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Speaker 1: chance with Mike Zimmer over Cliff Kingsbury. You know what's

617
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Speaker 1: really fascinating right now is the a f C playoffs

618
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Speaker 1: And I don't ever remember being this wide open. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think we all think it gets back

620
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Speaker 1: to this. It does feel like the Chiefs aren't just

621
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Speaker 1: gonna win the FC. They're gonna win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: But there's gonna be a lot of drama up until

623
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Speaker 1: that win because I feel pretty confidently if they're helped

624
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Speaker 1: good players stay healthy, the Chiefs are winning at all

625
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: and they should and I've said before, like the Dodgers,

626
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Speaker 1: the Lakers. You know, teams like the bubble was not

627
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: normal basketball Baseball their bubble they played sixty games. But

628
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: Lakers probably gonna win the championship ever or regardless, right,

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers had been one of the best teams in

630
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Speaker 1: baseball the last five years. They were invitable, inevitably, probably

631
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Speaker 1: gonna win a championship, especially once I got Mookie Bets,

632
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: so the right team. It felt like one in those

633
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: two sports. The Chiefs like, this is not normal football,

634
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Speaker 1: But once they win the championship, if they do, I

635
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: think we'd all acknowledge, like, yeah, they won the Super

636
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Speaker 1: Bowl last year, fair and square, they would have been

637
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Speaker 1: the heavy favorites. This year. They clearly were unreal. And

638
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Speaker 1: if they go fourteen and two or fifteen and one,

639
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Speaker 1: we'd probably say they probably would have gone fourteen and

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Speaker 1: two with fans, so they are. They would be a

641
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Speaker 1: champion that I think we could all see that would

642
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Speaker 1: normally happen. Everyone else we'd probably argue, but they're gonna be.

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Speaker 1: I think when the dust settles the number one overall see,

644
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Speaker 1: then I think the Steelers are in it. But the

645
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: Steelers aren't playing good football. But when you look at

646
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: the wild Cards. The Browns are in a great spot

647
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: because they're nine and three, but they play the Ravens

648
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Speaker 1: on Monday Night football, which luckily we'll talk about on

649
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Speaker 1: the next podcast. But you have an enormous game. The

650
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Speaker 1: Raiders paid John Gruden a hundred million dollars. They paid

651
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Speaker 1: Derek Carr like twenty five to two million dollars a

652
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: season for the last four years. This is the biggest

653
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Speaker 1: game Derek Carr has ever played after beside that MVP season,

654
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Speaker 1: you know the win he almost won the MVP and

655
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Speaker 1: he heard his ankle. They're playing the Culture right in four.

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Speaker 1: They lose this game there seven and six, they're in

657
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Speaker 1: major trouble. I think if they lose this game and

658
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Speaker 1: Tennessee plays Jacksonville, that means both those two teams would

659
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Speaker 1: be nine and four, that whoever doesn't win the division

660
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: would be a lock. And the Browns, even though they

661
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Speaker 1: play the Ravens on Monday Night, they still play the

662
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Speaker 1: New York Jets. They are getting to ten wins. They

663
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Speaker 1: also played the Giants, and listen, the Giants much better

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Speaker 1: and they're playing Arizona this week and I actually think

665
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Speaker 1: they can win that game. The Browns are much better

666
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Speaker 1: than the Giants. So I think when the dust settles,

667
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Speaker 1: the Browns are gonna win eleven games and Kevin Stefanski

668
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: should win the Coach of the Year. You win eleven

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Speaker 1: games with Cleveland, I don't give a ship. How good

670
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Speaker 1: your rosterous, that's really impressive. Browns are in the playoffs.

671
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Speaker 1: The Browns are gonna get the five spot. So basically

672
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Speaker 1: have two spots left for Baltimore, Indianapolis. I guess Indianapolis,

673
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Speaker 1: Tennessee whoever doesn't win the division. The Raiders in Miami. Well,

674
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Speaker 1: if the Raiders lose this week, they'd be seven and six.

675
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: They basically have to win out to get in the playoffs,

676
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Speaker 1: and they still have Miami on the on the schedule.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers are a weird team for them, and they

678
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Speaker 1: got to go to the road in Denver, and listen,

679
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Speaker 1: Denver is not that good, but it's gonna be freezing cold,

680
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Speaker 1: and Derek Carr's not a cold weather quarterback. They'd be screwed.

681
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: So basically, they gotta win three of their next four.

682
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Speaker 1: If they win three of the Necks four and get

683
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Speaker 1: ten and six, they'd be in good shape. But they

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Speaker 1: lose this game, like this is not one of the

685
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Speaker 1: three or the four they can lose. They gotta win this.

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Speaker 1: If Indie wins it, I don't see how Indie and

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Speaker 1: Tennessee again a sssuming Tennessee beats the Jacksonville Jaguars, which

688
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Speaker 1: News slash they will. The Colts and Titans would be

689
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Speaker 1: in the huge game for Gruden, huge game for car

690
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Speaker 1: The Dolphins, Uh, clearly, I don't expect them to win

691
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Speaker 1: this game despite being in Miami. They're playing the best

692
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Speaker 1: team in the league. But how does TWA look like?

693
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Speaker 1: Do they get rolled? Can they play with them? Um?

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Speaker 1: You know the Dolphin two hasn't played anybody and the

695
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Speaker 1: one time he kind of quote unquote did he got

696
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: benched when he played the Broncos outside, So do they

697
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: even belong like? I'm just I have no clue what

698
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: this game's will look like. You told me the Chiefs

699
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Speaker 1: destroy them. I can believe that. I have a hard

700
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: time seeing the Dolphins keeping it close. But they're still

701
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: in pretty good shape because they're eight in five, But

702
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: they still play the Patriots. Are schedules not easy. They

703
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: play the Bills again, Uh, it would be difficult. And

704
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,479
Speaker 1: then the Monday night game. I mean if Baltimore wins

705
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: this game, that they're in great shape. If Baltimore wins

706
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football, I think the three playoff teams that

707
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Speaker 1: we end up seeing would be the winner of the

708
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: Raiders and Colts and Baltimore in Cleveland. It's pretty crazy

709
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: that the a f C North is probably gonna get

710
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: three teams in the Steelers who play the Bills on

711
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: Sunday night. Like, let's face it, they're trending in the

712
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: wrong direction. They've lost multiple players on defense. They're still

713
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Speaker 1: gonna win the division. That's just what happens when you

714
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Speaker 1: go ten and oh, you can go three and three

715
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: the last you know, they go five hundred these last

716
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: group of games and they're still gonna end up what

717
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: thirteen and three, fourteen and two, Like they're they're in

718
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: great shape. But this game, like, how does it look?

719
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: Because we just saw the Bills when they're playing well

720
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: like their elite elite might be strong, but damn good,

721
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: like they play like they did against the Niners. They

722
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Speaker 1: could see the Chiefs in the a f C Championship.

723
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: They're that good because their quarterbacks that's special. And one

724
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: thing you see with the Steelers is like they can't

725
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Speaker 1: run the ball. Their defense. You just miss Bud Dupree

726
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: like that's a big loss. And Roethlisberger, you know, you

727
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: could be a little hit or miss. He's old. They

728
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: haven't been that potent on offense the last couple of weeks,

729
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: so they're really trending in the wrong direction. The FC

730
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: is gonna get so muddied up in this next you know,

731
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Speaker 1: three or four weeks, Chiefs are gonna be like fifteen

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Speaker 1: and one, have the one seed, and god, they're gonna

733
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Speaker 1: be the heavy favors. But if you're a fan of

734
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: the Raiders, the Colts, the Dolphins, the Titans obviously, the

735
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: Browns and the Ravens, you can say pretty locked in

736
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Speaker 1: right now because you've got a lot to play for. Okay,

737
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: let's go three for the money, and you know not

738
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: to my own horn went three and oh last week,

739
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: No big deal. I'm hot, even though somehow I ended

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Speaker 1: up losing five because I've been on golfight. You shouldn't

741
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: be betting on golf in December. Don't recommend that. Don't

742
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: ever bet on Tony Fine out either. Uh. Let's see,

743
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: I took the Lions last week outright winner. Even I

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00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: took them plus three, indeed minus three and a half

745
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: one by six, and the Jags. All the Jaguars do

746
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Speaker 1: is cover. That's why you know you gotta stick with

747
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: a horse that got you there. I've been riding the

748
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Speaker 1: Jags with these big spreads. I'm gonna ride them again.

749
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Speaker 1: Seven and a half points against Tennessee at home. I

750
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Speaker 1: like Jack's You've given the Jags more a touchdown. I

751
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: just they been playing hard. They make plays where shi

752
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: it happens in their game. If this line was six

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00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: and a half, I probably wouldn't like it as much.

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Speaker 1: But seven and a half, I'm going with it. I'm

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Speaker 1: riding the fighting Doug Morons No, general manager Jacksonville Jaguars Minnesota,

756
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm betting on Mike Zimmer to make

757
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Uh No, I don't know if they necessarily

758
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: win this game at Tampa. Tampa coming off of bye,

759
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: but why would we expect anything to be different with Tampa?

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Speaker 1: You think Bruce Arian is gonna change his offense for

761
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: tom Like, why would you do that in in December

762
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: and not do it in October? So I I still

763
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: think the struggles could be the struggles now Minnesota's defense

764
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: has not been good all season long. Uh from a

765
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: secondary standpoint, so Tampa, in theory, should be able to

766
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Speaker 1: score on them. But here's what Minnesota can do. They

767
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: can score justin Jefferson's a star feelings a baller. Cousins

768
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: is just a pretty good player that there's just no

769
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Speaker 1: way around it. They have an identity on offense. I

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00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: like Minnesota plus six and a half in this game.

771
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 1: The other games were hard. I I don't I can't

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Speaker 1: lie tempted. I was tempted to take the Jets plus

773
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Speaker 1: thirteen and a half. But after last week's loss, there

774
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: is a chance they just quit. They just waved the

775
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: white flag. Wouldn't totally blame them. Um, you could argue

776
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: they waived the white flag a long time ago. I

777
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: mean they're oh in eleven or oh and twelve or

778
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: whatever they'll I mean, they're gonna be only sixteen. But

779
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: I decided against that one because Seattle coming off a

780
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: bad loss at home should destroy them. I saw Mims

781
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: is out, so I didn't like that as much. I

782
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: don't feel great about this one. So I feel really

783
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: good about the first two. Uh, and really you have

784
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: a two and three weeks feel pretty good. But I'm

785
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: gonna go the Bills minus two against the Steelers. Now,

786
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Speaker 1: my one red flag is that the Bills played Monday

787
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: night in Arizona, meaning they had to fly to Buffalo.

788
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: They they did not get Monday to put up against Pittsburgh. Now,

789
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh also played on Monday, but it wasn't home. But

790
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: they did play Monday as well. But to me, the

791
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: fatigue from the coaching staff on Tuesday, like, did I

792
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: get the best effort on Tuesday? Just from a sleep standpoint,

793
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: none of them slept. They just they show up, they

794
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: go right to work. I just think the Bills are

795
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: better than Steelers right now. Steelers have major problems. When

796
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: everyone was healthy, they had the best defense in the league,

797
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: they were dominant. But they're missing two of their best

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00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: players in Roethlisberger. In their offense, just some's missing. It

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00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: just doesn't work. Despite having a ton of weapons. They

800
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: got a ton of wide receivers, can't really run the

801
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Speaker 1: ball um. I don't know, man, I'm just going to

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00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: Bill's minus two in this game. I don't feel great

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00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: about this. Uh, But in Buffalo, can you imagine how

804
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: big this game and how nuts this game would be

805
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: if fans were allowed Sunday night football, probably a little

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00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: snow cold, it would be badass buff you know the Bills, Mafiah.

807
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: So I'm going Jags plus seven against Titans, Minnesota plus

808
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: six and a half against Tampa, and Bills minus two

809
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Speaker 1: a seventeen on the season. You know, not to my

810
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: own one and it's not bad. Okay, let's go a

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Speaker 1: little middleoff mail bag at John middlecoff is the Instagram

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Speaker 1: and um, you guys know the drill. Shoot a question

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Speaker 1: in the d m s and get it answered here.

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Speaker 1: That's what we'll do because that's what we do on

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Speaker 1: the show. Also, like I said, subscribe to three and

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Speaker 1: Out podcast if you listen through Collins feed and if

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Speaker 1: you could leave a review, greatly appreciate it. Who should

818
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: the Cowboys draft. I feel like two players they should

819
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: want the most are Pine Swell and uh Mika Parsons. Also,

820
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: they should look at trying to get justin fields. But

821
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Speaker 1: don't think they'll draft a quarterback, mostly due to the

822
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: type of injury Deck suffered. I think it's complicated. I mean,

823
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Speaker 1: one thing is pretty clear after watching football, I guess

824
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, I haven't done the show. Show came out

825
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Speaker 1: Monday night. So I didn't talk about the Cowboys stink.

826
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Speaker 1: They are not good. They are a lifeless group. To me,

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Speaker 1: the number one question you have to ask before the draft,

828
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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy should get fired, like the evidence is in now.

829
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: Rogers carried him. That was another thing. Steve Young said.

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Speaker 1: He's like, you know what it looks like looking back,

831
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Speaker 1: Rogers carried that thing right, It would be like, uh,

832
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: put him on his back. I always thought McCarthy was good.

833
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: I was wrong if you look back at his last

834
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Speaker 1: four seasons, second to last season in Green Bay eight

835
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Speaker 1: and eight. Then he got fired after the Arizona Cardinals

836
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: beat him at Lambeau that night. Then he sat out,

837
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: which clearly he didn't improve it all. And now he's

838
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: coaching the Cowboys. Listen, you can lose, you can have

839
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: a bad season. The Forts or five and seven, for example,

840
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: the Giants or five and seven, when I watched them

841
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: play ago, they're well coached, they play hard, regardless who's healthy,

842
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: who's not healthy. They laid him a line. Those are

843
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: just two teams that came to my mind. The Vikings,

844
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean teams just they just keep swinging, and he

845
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: keeps swinging the Cowboys just tap out, and that's a

846
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: reflection of the head coach. Either coaching allowed it to happen.

847
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: Sure McCarthy is a nice guy, but he's just not good.

848
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw Rivera fired, goes to Washington Boom.

849
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: They're competitive like Rivera. I don't think Rivera is like

850
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: Andy Peyton or Belichick, but he's damn good like McCarthy

851
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: is nobody. McCarthy without one of the greatest quarterbacks of

852
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: all time. If you just gave him a random team,

853
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a playoff coach. So to me

854
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: before you can get to the draft, because they're gonna

855
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: have a really good pick because they're not gonna win

856
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: any games because my McCarthy is their head coach. Now

857
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: they do play the Bengals this week. I think the

858
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: best thing that could happen this weekend is for the

859
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: Cowboys to lose to the Bankers, and that might force

860
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: action from Stephen and Jerry, because again, money is not

861
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 1: an issue. You can pay him to go away. Money

862
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: is only an issue when you don't have money. When

863
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: you when you're a big business and you have unlimited money,

864
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: you can make decisions that actually don't make that much

865
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: sense because it's just a line item, Like apple pivoting

866
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: is not that difficult. They have billions of dollars in

867
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: the bank. Jerry paying off Mike McCarthy forty million dollars

868
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: to go away seems like a lot to me and

869
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: you and is a lot of money. But not when

870
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: your franchise is worth five billion and you've got hundreds

871
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: upon hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars in the

872
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: bank and a cash flow, be fine, especially if it's

873
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: the right move. I'm not into just wasting money. I'm

874
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: not just saying like people should just giveaway money. That's

875
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: not why. Like I'm not hard on Dean Spanos because

876
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: right I like if he was saving money on good coaches,

877
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: like when Sean McVeigh was hired, he didn't get that

878
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: much money. I think Kyle Shanahan's first contract wasn't that crazy.

879
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: Big young coaches sometimes are cheaper. I got no problem

880
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: with hiring one of those guys. We're gonna see some

881
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 1: of these guys get jobs. But are you constantly thinking,

882
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: like his money the driving force when you make a hire,

883
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: or is money the driving force when you make when

884
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: you fire somebody in the NFL. It shouldn't be because

885
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: you have unlimited cash and the cash is only growing.

886
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: And I'm not, like again, I'm not your typical media

887
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: guy like you just gotta always spend the money now,

888
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: you can't just waste it. But I'd argue keeping Mike

889
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: McCarthy around is bad for business. It's really bad for business.

890
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: Honest to god. I'm not just saying this. I think

891
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy stink. I really do. I mean, just looking

892
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: back some of the games when he played some of

893
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: those hardball teams, some of those other playoff games, lost

894
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: to that Coughlin team, tough, good coaches, always kicked his ass.

895
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: Always really the team we had he beat us the

896
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: year they won the Super Bowl in Philadelphia. We actually

897
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: weren't even that good. Our defense was not good at all.

898
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: Michael Vick, the Shawn Jeremy mack offense was decent. But

899
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: Rogers was, I mean, the best player in that game.

900
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: And the Packers had a good defense. That team was stacked.

901
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: You know. The craziest thing probably between two thousand and

902
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: ten and two thousands, like fifteen, like Rogers peak a

903
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: pax when he was like Michael Jordan's football, they didn't.

904
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: If you gave him a good coach, they probably win

905
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: two or three Super Bowls. Looking back, I love the

906
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: pod And for the next mail back, I was wondering

907
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: if you could touch on the fact that Aaron Rodgers

908
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: got four touchdowns twelve games faster than second place, and

909
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: the fact that he only has eighty eight interceptions. Don't

910
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: see any other people realizing how phenomenal that actually is.

911
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: Thanks in advance. Funny thing I heard Steve Young mentioned

912
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: this too. He said this might be the most remarkable

913
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: stat he's ever heard. He started listing off some of

914
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: the other guys, you know, far Brady Manning when they

915
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: hit this number, how many more interceptions they had. This

916
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: goes back to McCarthy. You had a guy who threw

917
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: an unreal amount of touchdowns, who was a dominant force

918
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: and didn't turn the ball over like this. To me,

919
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is a big indictment on McCarthy. And it

920
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: turns out Aaron Rodgers was the complete reason that the

921
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: Packers will want all those years like think about the

922
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: wide receivers they had, Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings,

923
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: Draft DeVante stacked with wide receivers. This is honestly the

924
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: crappiest wide receivers Rogers has ever had. But Davante is

925
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: the best wide receiver he's ever had. But it is

926
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: in like from ten to fourteen, fifteen sixteen, that unit

927
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: always went two to three deep of dou boots, of

928
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: guys like worth ten to fifteen million dollars. I mean,

929
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: Rogers just an all time great. There's just no way

930
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: around it. Lifelong Lions fan, even though I live in Oklahoma,

931
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: that's kind of weird. I personally love Stafford and I'm

932
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: not a huge fan of trading him. To me, he's

933
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: a top tier quarterback. Unfortunately plays for a dumpster fire organization. Uh.

934
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: At seven years old, I've only seen the Lions lose

935
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: as far as the team goes. Do you think they're

936
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: better to move on from Stafford than to trade him.

937
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: I think he could potentially bring in a nice haul

938
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: and draft another quarterback in this year's draft. Well, I

939
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: think the most the smartest move would be to keep him.

940
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: It gives you the best chance to win in the

941
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: short term. I think big picture, it's probably just time.

942
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: You could get a first round pick, you get a

943
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: second round pick, you might be able to get a player.

944
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna want out. It's just time. Just

945
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: just make a clean break, just go your separate ways,

946
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: and you know you have a couple of young pieces.

947
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: Draft a young quarterback, get a new coach in you know,

948
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: get a first and second round for him, get that

949
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: cap relief, and you get a lot more wiggle room. Now,

950
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: from a football standpoint, if I was the head coach Alliance,

951
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be into trading Matt Stafford. I mean, he's

952
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: the best player in the team by a mile. Ask

953
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: anyone in the league. They think he's like one of

954
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: the best players in the league. But it might just

955
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: be time. It really might. That sucks. I feel free

956
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: to being a Lion fan. It's shitty. You know. When

957
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: we're born, however, we grow up what we kind of

958
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: gravitate to. Whether it's our parents are older brothers or

959
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: sisters or dad who they're a fan of, we just

960
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: become We don't really get a choice in the matter.

961
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: Maybe sometimes, you know, you just become a fan of

962
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: a team for whatever reason, but as you get older,

963
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: that team might suck. It's easy to be born a

964
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: Laker or Yankee fan. It's hard to be a fan

965
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: of most teams because the majority of teams aren't that great.

966
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: Uh Never I ged messaged another dude before, but okay,

967
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: need some takes on if the Niners trade for Carson

968
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: Wentz so given a try, first and third, get it done.

969
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear your breakdown on this. Yeah, I

970
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: just the Eagles aren't trading them. I just I can't

971
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: see it. And I don't see the Niners in the

972
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: trade market for a high price quarterback. If they're gonna

973
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: go quarterback, they're gonna go a cheap guy a k

974
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: the draft. To me, the one high price guy they

975
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 1: would go for would be Stafford. But I can't see

976
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: them trading for once. I can't see the Eagles aren't

977
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: gonna trade Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz gonna be on team next. Sure.

978
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 1: My question is the mail bag have the Chiefs Clins

979
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: the playoff birth but not the Steelers when they're both

980
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: eleven and one. It has to do with tiebreakers. The

981
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: Chiefs of Clins the playoff birth, not the division, as

982
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: the Raiders would win the division if they finished five

983
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: and oh and the Chiefs go and five. Basically, how

984
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: is it not possible the Chiefs to miss the playoffs

985
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: with eleven and one record, but it's not possible for

986
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: the Steelers and missed with the same record. Kind of

987
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: a dumb question because all these teams are gonna make it.

988
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the Raiders might not, but the Chiefs and

989
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: Steelers are in. It has to do with tiebreakers and

990
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: has to do like strength the schedule. Honestly, asking that

991
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: question right now, is irrelevant that the Chiefs they're going

992
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: to the playoffs, they're gonna win the division? Uh don't.

993
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even worry about it, But I see what

994
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: you're saying. It does. Sometimes when you look at stuff

995
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: like that, you're like, what is going on? As an

996
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: x NFL scouting graticist, and I would love to hear

997
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: the outlook on the absolute freak athletes that are running

998
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: around in the NFL field on Sundays, It's fascinating to

999
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: hear about how even Mr Irrelevant is likely the best

1000
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: athlete a regular guy like many of us would have

1001
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: ever played against in high school. I love the podcast. Yeah,

1002
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: it's just like you know, it's the highest level of

1003
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: the sport, so he just weeds people out, and football,

1004
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: unlike a lot of the other sports, but I think

1005
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: there is this in baseball and basketball too. It's never

1006
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: about where you start, So guys developed their bodies developed differently.

1007
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: You know, for every guy that's a top recruit in

1008
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: high school, there's a guy that goes to Alabama State

1009
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: or Appalachian State or Cal Paul and develops into an

1010
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: NFL player, right, So to me, the cream always rises,

1011
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: And to get draft in the NFL, if you're a

1012
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: college football wanted to play college football, is an incredible accomplishment.

1013
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: I remember I remember going to Fresno State and just

1014
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: and we were, you know, like an above average Nonpower

1015
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: five program. We're we'd be ranked occasionally in the top

1016
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: But you go play Wisconsin Ohio State. I mean, the

1017
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: level of talent just for us to be able to

1018
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: hang we had, I mean, we had dudes. But if

1019
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: if you play in a Nonpower five but Division one,

1020
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: you're in your big time. If you get drafted, it's

1021
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: just it's an incredible accomplishment. I don't really know what

1022
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: else to say. These guys are the thing about the NFL.

1023
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: I've been around the NBA a lot. The NFL body

1024
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: types actually a lot of these guys are thicker and

1025
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: they're explosive and fast. But a lot of guys play

1026
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: in the NFL at five ten, five eleven, you know,

1027
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: six ft Like you go to the NBA, they actually

1028
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: have the freakiest athletes. They have the best athletes in

1029
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: the world in the NBA because they're six four to

1030
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: seven ft tall and they all move around like wide receivers.

1031
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: Now some you know, centners don't, but for the most part,

1032
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: like Kevin Durant, I've stood next to him. It's like

1033
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: seven ft tall and he moves around like dude could

1034
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: probably run like a four or five forty. Like Clay

1035
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: Thompson is six seven and a half to thirty, Like

1036
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: he's thick, but he's six seven. Like the only guys

1037
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: in the NFL six seven are the offensive lineman who

1038
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: are also like three pounds. So it's just yeah, it's

1039
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: just a group of high level dudes. I mean, I

1040
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: don't really know what else to say. Uh, that'll do

1041
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: it for the night. Appreciate everyone listening. I hope you

1042
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: guys have a great weekend, and uh, you know, Holidays

1043
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: season right right around the corner. We'll talk to everyone soon. Godspeed,

1044
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: Happy Hanukah eight crazy nights night to Friday night, first

1045
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: night with December ten. So Happy Hanukah to all my

1046
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: Jewish friends out there, uh and uh and yeah, talk

1047
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: to everyone soon. SP