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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and Matt. It is Thursday here

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Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh, and more and more national mock drafts are

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Speaker 2: coming out that are mocking a quarterback Jackson Dart namely, yeah,

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Speaker 2: namely to the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I'm telling you again

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Speaker 2: and again, you're not seeing that anywhere in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, You're only seeing it from the national guys because

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Speaker 2: the Steelers haven't signed a quarterback yet. It would be

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Speaker 2: such a panic move. I see it happening.

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Speaker 3: I was just telling these guys that in the last

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Speaker 3: twenty four hours, I've studied these top five quarterbacks more,

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Speaker 3: you know, I made a focus of it. Shock Milrow

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Speaker 3: Dart been the top two. And maybe it's just because

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Speaker 3: it's on the tip of my tongue, but I like

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Speaker 3: them all more than I used to, you know. I

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Speaker 3: mean I can see the path or they all being

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Speaker 3: good players. Then they owe their warts of course, and

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Speaker 3: basically my big conclusion is this quarterback class doesn't stink.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think it does either. Don't misconstrue that

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Speaker 2: this is.

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Speaker 3: A terrible class. This is the ritter or picket, you know,

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Speaker 3: terrible wortst class. Ever EJ. Manual, No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I also think that if you are a national mock drafter,

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Speaker 3: you want to get him in the first round because

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Speaker 3: you think he's going in the first round and there aren't.

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Speaker 3: You're not going to send them to the Chargers or

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Speaker 3: the Broncos or the Bills or whatever.

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Speaker 2: The one that made sense to me that I saw

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Speaker 2: on I can't remember who did it, had the Rams

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Speaker 2: taking him at twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that's the one that would actually make

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Speaker 3: some sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And if you're not allowed to do trades, okay, you

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Speaker 3: just want to cover your button. Say I had Jack

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Speaker 3: Dart in the first round a month ago, you know,

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Speaker 3: but I don't think it makes sense for the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: I really don't. I think the quarterback comes next year

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Speaker 3: and you prepare for that accordingly, and Darts fine. I

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Speaker 3: just don't know that he's special. You know. There's a

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Speaker 3: lot of things I do like about him, but I

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Speaker 3: think as much as any quarterback in this draft. He

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Speaker 3: should sit the entire year, and I'm not giving up

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Speaker 3: a detackle to do that. That's the thing thing.

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Speaker 2: You had a second round pick.

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Speaker 3: It's a different world.

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Speaker 2: It's a different world to take a quarterback who you

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Speaker 2: have no intention of starting right this year at twenty

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Speaker 2: one and then not picking again until eighty three doesn't

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Speaker 2: help your roster out at all this year.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I mean you're really punning on this. Now.

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Speaker 2: I get it. If it's if he's a generational talent,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, right, Fine, Yeah, that's fine. Here's being

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Speaker 2: pretty convinced he's special. So Todd McShay, yeah, broke down

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Speaker 2: the last two drafts where he ran the quarterbacks for

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four to twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Coincidentally, I was listening to his podcast on the way

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Speaker 3: here and he was all quarterbacks stuff.

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Speaker 2: The classes combined. He has him in tears.

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Speaker 3: He has a grade next to him, and all those

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Speaker 3: grades means something.

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Speaker 2: In Tier one are Caleb Williams, Jade Daniels, Drake May.

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams is ninety sixth grade, Jayden Daniels is in

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Speaker 2: ninety sixth grade. Drake May a ninety five grade.

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Speaker 3: There's a out of one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Out of one hundred, ESPN made him change.

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Speaker 3: I was part of it. We had to change our

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Speaker 3: grading scale whenever ESPN bought Scouts, inc. When Todd and

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Speaker 2: And those Tier one guys are are what he considers

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Speaker 2: elite prospects, should be a Day one starter and project

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Speaker 2: his future all pro caliber players.

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Speaker 3: They don't get handed out often. No, it's pretty rare.

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Speaker 3: The three of them were in the same class. Extremely rare.

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Speaker 2: His Tier two guys, which he considers a notch below

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's a good way of phrasing it.

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Speaker 2: He is JJ McCarthy scored ninety two, and cam Ward,

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Speaker 3: Personally, I like Ward more than that version McCarthy, but

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Speaker 2: In Tier three, he has four guys, and these are

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Speaker 3: Grade, okay, and taught him be the first to admit

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Speaker 3: that even if they're in there, their quarterbacks, so they

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Speaker 3: we didn't know Nicks was going to be a first

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Speaker 2: But I don't want to draft a tier three guy

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Speaker 3: Just because just because Aaron Rodgers retired, or just because

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Speaker 3: you couldn't Land Fields. Heaven forbid if he would have gone.

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Speaker 2: If he goes back a few years on this, right,

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Speaker 2: that's where Kenny Pickett came in at.

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Speaker 3: Probably, yeah, I bet that's exactly where he's at, right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so I want to shoot past that, and so you've.

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Speaker 2: I want a tier two where I want a Tier

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Speaker 3: I mean, speaking of tiers, I'm sure it's due to

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Speaker 3: come out soon, but we always talk about Sando's quarterback tiers.

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Speaker 3: I'll promise you Tier one will have four people in

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Speaker 3: it this year, Burrow, Allen, Mahomes, and Jackson, and you

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Speaker 3: got to play them all the time. I need at

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Speaker 2: And has the potential to go toe to toe with

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Speaker 3: And I was just much rather and I did a

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Speaker 3: take door number two with more line help all those

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Speaker 3: I got a lot of spare change in my pocket.

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Speaker 3: I'm going shopping for a Rolex next thirteen months from now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, doesn't mean I don't take one of these guys

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Speaker 2: But I'm not using my first round pick on a

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Speaker 2: we talked about it. When they drafted Kenny Pickett. His

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Speaker 3: Carr Cousins is sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm not interested in that. You went down that road once,

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Speaker 2: you swung and you missed on it. And Kenny Pickett

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Speaker 2: bless him if he does. Sure, sure, but I want

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Speaker 2: better than that, better than that. If I'm taking a

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Speaker 3: Yep. And big thing I've been really focusing on is

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Speaker 3: building the nest while trying to still win today. I

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Speaker 3: mean that doesn't mean I'm never saying tank. I hope

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Speaker 3: it back with a better offense than what I think

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Speaker 3: I saw last and take my chances. But in the meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: typically not higher tier due to undeveloped, under development, or

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. He's had three injuries. Two of them are

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Speaker 3: But all in all, age doesn't worry me. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Latterly, he's just a bigger guy.

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Speaker 3: He's a bigger dude, and in the pocket he'll take

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Speaker 3: You know, everyone knows I'm a fan. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: He has nobody in tier five, which are great out

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Speaker 2: Will Howard, Jaln Milroe, Quinn Eewers, and they rank ahead

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Speaker 3: I think Milroe's so much better than those other names

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Speaker 2: Milroe has the highest upside to me of any quarterback

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Speaker 3: hear the end of the conversation about Milroe. And he

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Speaker 3: brought up some things that we have talked about before too.

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Speaker 3: Is he's so muscle bound that he's tight, you know.

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Speaker 3: You know, the way Todd explained it was get out

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Speaker 3: You got pretty roster, and you know how to win

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Speaker 2: So I want that rookie quarterback to be able to

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Speaker 2: Right, that's what you're looking to do. That's what they

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Speaker 2: Now I understand they had gone, they had had fallen

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Speaker 3: And with all respect to Ben, his rookie year with

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Speaker 2: Year or two they win the Super Bowl. That's the

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Speaker 3: So this is my latest kick, and it's all about

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Speaker 2: They've drafted, They've drafted five offensive linemen in the last two.

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Speaker 3: Drafts and it's worked out well, keep it up.

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Speaker 3: Not right, guys, I mean, I'm not good going for nothing,

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Speaker 2: If it's a guy like that. We've taken those guys consistently.

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Speaker 3: they don't all have to develop. I mean Kendrick Green

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Speaker 3: Sometimes they go up in value. Dan Moore is the

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Speaker 3: I can go sign a Van Jefferson, I can sign JK.

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Speaker 2: I'd rather if they did take four again linemen in

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't break my heart either. I mean, I want

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Speaker 2: In the free agent market, you know, And that to me,

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Speaker 3: Just keep drafting him. Drafting offensive tackles the exact same

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Speaker 2: But I'm not using a premium pick on one of

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Speaker 3: It's just economics. It's not necessarily team needs or anything.

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Speaker 2: Williamson I'm Dale Lollie, you're listening to the drive here

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Speaker 1: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt Matt Miller on ESPN has put

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Speaker 3: It's an ordeal. It's an endeavor. I would hate that job.

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Speaker 2: Well, we do this regularly every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

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Speaker 2: When we do our mock drafts. We just don't tell

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Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty seven, but we don't make the

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Speaker 2: He knows. Maybe he doesn't go through and make every

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Speaker 3: While we do it, let's say who we would have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna happen. Uh So at pick twenty one,

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Speaker 2: I don't see it at all. A Zeri A Thomas

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Speaker 2: times at pro Days, you can automatically add point zero

435
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 2: five to that time because that's what they would have

436
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 2: ran in Indianapolis. So you're gonna tell me you're gonna

437
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,400
Speaker 2: take a four to six cornerback.

438
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 3: He didn't run in India. I don't remember.

439
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 2: I don't remember if he didn't, if Zoe he didn't blaze. Yeah,

440
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 2: and I like him. I think he's a good player. Yeah,

441
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 2: he's a one year starter on the worst Florida State

442
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,880
Speaker 2: team in the history of Florida State.

443
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 3: He's a big man corner he's.

444
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 2: And I understand it wasn't the defense that was the

445
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 2: problem was the offense, but the defense then faltered down

446
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 2: the stretch, right.

447
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 3: Like, that doesn't mean I wouldn't take Farmer.

448
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 2: Or I like aeriy A Thomas, I would take him

449
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 2: in the second round.

450
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,719
Speaker 3: Me And it's it's an it's a want, it's not

451
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 3: in need. It would be nice. But if they don't

452
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 3: draft a corner at all, I'm gonna sleep fine the

453
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 3: night of the draft.

454
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 2: At least he didn't have them taking a quarterback. He

455
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 2: did have Jackson Jackson Dart. This is the one where

456
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 2: where Jackson Dart goes to the Rams at twenty six.

457
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 3: Okay, that makes sense, a ton of sense to me. Yeah,

458
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 3: but Derek Harmon was available. I'm gonna say who else

459
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 3: was out there twenty Kenneth Grant was available. Yeah, yeah,

460
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 3: Walter Nolan was available. We talked to those guys to death.

461
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 3: But that's not even close any of those three to talk.

462
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 2: Any of those three would fit the bill. Yeah, here's

463
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 2: the thing. I went through this entire draft earlier today.

464
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: He doesn't have them taking a single defensive lineman.

465
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 3: With any of their pre wind to segment one. I

466
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 3: think you know our thoughts on that matter.

467
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 2: They don't have a replacement right now for Larry Ogan

468
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 2: Jobi on the roster.

469
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 3: It amazes me how many mocks or national people don't

470
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 3: recognize that's a need. Corners are one. A young defensive

471
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 3: lineman is a need. If they don't draft one, that

472
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 3: is a mistake. I mean, I'll say that the day

473
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 3: after the draft. I'll say it during the draft, no

474
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 3: matter what they have to draft.

475
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 2: If you've got to address that position, yes, and your

476
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 2: best defensive lineman is thirty five years.

477
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 3: Old, absolutely, And I think the mistake is made by man.

478
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 3: That Steeler front is nasty. They can rush the quarterback

479
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 3: as well as anyone. Yeah, but you got to prepare

480
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: for tomorrow too, and depth. And I can't live with

481
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 3: Lowry and Lee being my starters, you know what I mean. Like,

482
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:04,719
Speaker 3: it's not where we're at here.

483
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 2: Those guys are fine players, right, but they're rotation. They're

484
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: rotational players, right, They're not stepped to it again. I

485
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: you know, if I have to start Dean Lowry September

486
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: twenty eighth at Baltimore, I know what I'm gonna get.

487
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's perfect fine, right, Rudolph.

488
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: If I have to stay yeah, right, the same thing.

489
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 2: If I have to start him seventeen games. I don't

490
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 2: know that.

491
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 3: I'm so in on that, right, And I don't expect

492
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 3: every backup to be Steve young DeMont. It's not the

493
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 3: way the world works, you know, right, But there's they

494
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 3: need a foundational player Yees to be the next guy. Yeah,

495
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: and it's a perfect time for that guy to get

496
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 3: groomed with Ayward on the team.

497
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: And the thing is is he's got Grant going at

498
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: thirty nine, He's got Harmon going at the end to

499
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,479
Speaker 2: the Ravens in the first round. He then has Grant

500
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: going at thirty nine, and he has Walter Nolan going

501
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: at forty three after Tyler Williams.

502
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, I don't see it. I don't see it

503
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 3: at all, right, Williams three or different.

504
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyler Williams is a fine player. Sure, he's not

505
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 2: better than Walter Nolean. He's not nearly as good as

506
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 2: Kenneth Grant.

507
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 3: Not for today's NFL. I mean, because he doesn't affect

508
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 3: the passing game, right, Yeah, he's gonna play far fewer steps.

509
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got he's got him going like three

510
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 2: picks ahead of Alfred Collins.

511
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: I'm a big Alfred Collins fan too.

512
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 2: I like Alfred Collins. He's a good player.

513
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 3: If the original picks were still intact, and you're like,

514
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 3: the Steelers took Alfred Collins or Tyreek will Williams with

515
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 3: their second round pick, sign me up?

516
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean, but not we've done that.

517
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

518
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: Uh so then it picked eighty three again. After he

519
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 2: has him taking a cornerback in the first round, he

520
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: has him taking Jaylen Milroe in the third round.

521
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: Okay, that in a nutshell. I don't hate.

522
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with it. We talked about

523
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: that and say one, but now you've taken where where's

524
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 2: azerie a I almost lining up for you in year one?

525
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,479
Speaker 3: Oh he's fighting Trice for the third job. I mean,

526
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 3: he's Jersey, might not get.

527
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: Dirty, might not get dirty. So now you're running out

528
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: on kickoff your first two picks in the draft. Now

529
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 2: you did get again DK Metcalf's part of the team,

530
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: of course, of course, and he helps. But you've now

531
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: drafted two guys who don't help you at all this year.

532
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeap again in a vacuum mill row and the third

533
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 3: I get it. I would not objected that at all.

534
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: I would object to Thomas in the first in a vacuum.

535
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, especially with who was still on the.

536
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: Board, and he wouldn't be in my top twenty one

537
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: no matter what, so he would not he wouldn't be okay,

538
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 3: you know.

539
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 2: Then in uh with pick one again, there were no

540
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 2: trades in this thing. It picked one three Cam Scatabow,

541
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 2: running back out of Arizona State. This is in the

542
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 2: fourth round. Now, if he is available in the fourth round, okay, great.

543
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 3: He would wonderfully and he would play a ton And

544
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 3: I don't think any of us are going to complain

545
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 3: about that picking.

546
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: Now that pick will play there. So you've finally got

547
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: a guy in the fourth round who's going to.

548
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: I also think that's a need. Yeah, as opposed to

549
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,239
Speaker 3: a one, you have to add a running back in

550
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 3: the fifth round. He has him taking at pick one

551
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 3: fifty six Holland Pierce, the offensive tackle out of Rutgers. Again,

552
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 3: that's right, my ally, that's up your alley. But a

553
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: guy who doesn't he's not gonna play at all this show.

554
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 3: He might be your sixth lower lineman. He's grooming, but

555
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: tackles are gold. I'm fine with it.

556
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 2: I got no problem doing that. That in that right, right, right,

557
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: But you again, you've added one guy thus far with

558
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: this particular draft.

559
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: The whole plan doesn't make sense.

560
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 2: In round six, at pick one five, he has him

561
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: taking Jordan Watkins, wide receiver out of Ole Miss.

562
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: I don't know much about him but a receiver late sure,

563
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: but he's gonna be your fifth guy. He's not gonna

564
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 3: Is he gonna beat out Wilson or Austin for snaps? No, no, no,

565
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: I don't think we've ever or rarely have taken a

566
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: wide out past the fifth round, and not deep wide receivers.

567
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: I just don't love. A. I don't love the wide

568
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: receiver group, and B where's the path to playing time?

569
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: Roman Wilson is still part of this team, and Roman

570
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: Wilson's going to be in their plans. Roman Wilson was

571
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: the third round draft pick this year, last year.

572
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 3: And to take a step further, and I don't know

573
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: enough about the old Miss kid except for I've never

574
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: really heard of him, so he's probably not that great,

575
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: but that could be on me. Where's his playing time

576
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six? I mean, even if Pickens isn't here,

577
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 3: he's fourth. Yeah, and if Pickens isn't here or someone

578
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: else is right.

579
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: They've drafted. They probably drafted. Yeah, something something happened.

580
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, a late dart throw receiver to me in this

581
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: draft doesn't make much sense.

582
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: No, no normous.

583
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: And again, I know Van Jefferson signed somewhere else, but

584
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: just go sign a Van Jefferson type of.

585
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: Those guy's right, the receiver market is still get every signed.

586
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a better player than that dude is now.

587
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: In round seven, it picked two twenty nine, the Steelers

588
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: take Donovan Edwards, running back at a Michigan. So they

589
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: take two running backs. Yeah, very different ones, very different ones.

590
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: Where's his playing.

591
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 3: Time coming from? I think he's really bad, to be

592
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: honest with you. But he's talented who tests well. He

593
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: was a big time recurring mean, he could be a

594
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: but he's seventh round pick. So I'm not going to

595
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 3: kill that pick in a vacuum either. He probably would

596
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: be a kickoff return guy for you. But you have hit.

597
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 3: You have that dude in Gainwell, I mean it's a

598
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: seventh round pick. I'm not going to kill him. But

599
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: here's the thing, like, there's no plan there. I'm just

600
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: looking at the guys who are still available. At that point, Yaha,

601
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: Black was there. No, that's great.

602
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 2: I would take you. I would take the third right.

603
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: We didn't take it. He didn't take any defensive right,

604
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: especially zero.

605
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 3: I would take him Black two rounds ago.

606
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, O'donald Fortune, cornerback out of South Carolina. He's a

607
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: decent prospect I would.

608
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 3: Take, especially with a grant in the first round. Right

609
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 3: instead of right.

610
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, that's that's the way to work this draft.

611
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: Not that he's doing kind of backwards.

612
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: I know him on my kick about big guys, but

613
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: I almost think if you don't get a D tackle

614
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: with your first pick, it's it's the draft is not

615
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: all for loss, but it's not the path. It's not

616
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: the way to start your process. Even as good as

617
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: the D tackles are, there's other guys I like at

618
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: twenty one or even twenty five. But if it's not

619
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: one of those top three D tackles that are real

620
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: difference makers, you're gonna have a tough time selling me

621
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: on why that's the answer. Unless you happen to love

622
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart and you think he's mahomes great. Okay, that's

623
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: part of it. Believe it part of the problem. Of

624
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 3: going down that path of not taking one in the

625
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: first round, right, it gets so messy after that.

626
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: It really does. I'm just gonna look at see you

627
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: in a second one. Who is who is still available

628
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: here at eighty three when they in this instance he

629
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: has I'm taking mill Roe. Shamar Turner.

630
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: Okay, we haven't talked much about him.

631
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: It's good play. Yeah, I was a good player, but.

632
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: He's not. He's on Nolan.

633
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: He's not one of those top three guys or four guys.

634
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a rotational dude for you. For T J.

635
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: Sanders was still there, okay, yeah, okay, who else? I

636
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 3: assume he had a lot going in.

637
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: Jordan Phillips was there? Okay, Jordan Phillips, Yeah, yeah, I'm

638
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: a fan play nose for you.

639
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: Again. I'm not saying they're better picks than Millroe. But

640
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: if you don't do one in the first.

641
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: Round, that's the thing now where J J pegas, you

642
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: just can't. Yes, there are guys available later, but if

643
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: you pass on one in the first round to then

644
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: take a quarterback in the third round, because you to

645
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: take a running back at some point you need another

646
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: running back. The way this draft line lines up. It's

647
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: not that hard. It's not that difficult. This is the puzzle.

648
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: You've set it up.

649
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: The way you have the puzzle is not that hard

650
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: to put together. Here. The pieces are about this big, right,

651
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: and I'm holding my hands pretty far apart, and the

652
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: only thing that I've got like five of them. There's

653
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: the pieces. Okay, there's the puzzles put together.

654
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: Because receiver puzzle piece has been filled is filled, right, Yeah,

655
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: that's that was the main piece that's already on the board.

656
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: And of course it would be much easier to build

657
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: it with a second round pick, but then you would

658
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: have the receiver puzzle built. Yeah. I forget what I

659
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 3: was gonna say, though, Oh okay, like we'd like some of

660
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 3: those fourth round options, Phillips, Peggy, all those two. I mean,

661
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: you may you name five or six of them that

662
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: are quality players that I hope end up in Latrobe,

663
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: you know whatever. But if you do that your biggest need,

664
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: then you gotta take one next year, right, you know

665
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like, then I'm not and you pass

666
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: on a quarterback to take one. But you didn't fill

667
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: the need, I mean, and you didn't find the next Hayward.

668
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: You didn't find your difference maker.

669
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: They passed on in this particular draft, Cam Jackson and

670
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: Jamari Calbwell in the fourth round to take scatter Bo

671
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: because you you you took two pieces early right that

672
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: you that aren't going to play for you. Yeah.

673
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, the mistake was made at Thomas. Yeah, because they

674
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: sends you down a bad path. That's right.

675
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: The same reason why taking a quarterback in the first

676
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: round unless you think he's awesome. Unless he's awesome, and

677
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: that nothing that matters. You know, if cam Ward were there, yes,

678
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: I would take cam wore.

679
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: And if they take Dart, I hope I'm wrong about

680
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: him and he turns out to be awesome. You know,

681
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: they know the moren't more than me. I don't think

682
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 3: that's what they're going to do. I don't think so either,

683
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: And I don't. And back to what I said five

684
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 3: minutes ago. If it's not one of those premium defensive tackles,

685
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: the rest gets messy. Had a second round.

686
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: Pack, it gets very messy. Yeah, it gets very messy.

687
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: And in that book, and you just ran into the dragon

688
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: right in the first right off the back, you know,

689
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: on purpose, right on purpose. Right, there's Ay.

690
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: Said, Hey, there's a dragon down that way. There's nothing

691
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: over here. There's the princesses over here, the dragon's over there. Yeah,

692
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: you say, I want to fight the dragon?

693
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: Right, this is this is level one of Adventure on

694
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: you fight the damn dragon. You can't even beat level one,

695
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 3: you know, right.

696
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: It's not how it's done.

697
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, because once that's in place, then you're

698
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: playing with house money. Yeah, no, you can. You want

699
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: to running back the third round? You wait the fifth, right,

700
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: either would be fine? Right?

701
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I can do that. I can make it. Oh,

702
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: I want to take a quarterback in the third round.

703
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: Great, I have a second round, great on mill Row

704
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 3: and he's sitting there in the third fantastic. Okay, I

705
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: got rolled in.

706
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: That whole draft looks so much different and I feel

707
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: so much differently about it. If they take instead of

708
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: taking Thomas at twenty one, they take Kenneth Grant, where

709
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: they take one of the.

710
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: Rest of it's fine. Then would be like, nice job,

711
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: Matt Miller, you did a good job. You got scatter

712
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: Boat in the fourth you got.

713
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: Right right, rather than the wide receiver that they took.

714
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, okay, that's a six round pick.

715
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 3: I mean Yeah.

716
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: Again, there were other defensive tackles still available that could

717
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: have taken.

718
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we would end up with two DT's and

719
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: I'd be happy.

720
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Speaker 2: And it's not just because that's what we do every

721
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 2: time we do a mock draft.

722
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Speaker 3: There's a time we do a million.

723
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: There's a reason why we do that in the mock drafts.

724
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 3: That's why we do so many. And I just we

725
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 3: wouldn't have come to this inclusion a month ago.

726
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: I think so many national mock drafts that are out

727
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: there are just completely swinging and missing on what this,

728
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: what this Steelers roster current make, the current makeup of

729
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: the roster, and.

730
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 3: Why they've been to the playoffs all these years. It's

731
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: not because the great playoffs of the great quarterbacks will

732
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 3: last five years because of Cam Hayward, TJ.

733
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Speaker 2: Patrick.

734
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: You know, and I know they haven't won a playoff game.

735
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: We're well aware. They're well aware.

736
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: Don't remind me, but you know, they do have a

737
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: streak of you know, seasons without a losing season. Don't

738
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 3: know if they one's aware of that.

739
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: Well, you know, they they're they're goal every year is

740
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: to win nine games. That's the goal. I keep hearing

741
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: that one to goal is just to win nine games

742
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 2: or to go nine and eight, which they've done exactly

743
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: one time in their entire history. They've gone nine and

744
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: eight once. Anyways, I just put it out there on Twitter,

745
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: so if you're listening and you want to check it out,

746
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: or the ex Twitter as it were, if you have

747
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: any questions you want to ask us here, we'll get

748
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: to those in hour number two. Yeah, Twitter Thursday. Check

749
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: that out at the I can't even remember what my Twitter.

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Speaker 3: I'm Matt Williamson, NFL.

751
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he retweeted it on there. Yeah, I got to

752
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: think of what mine is. I'm at d Lallie Underscore Pittsburgh. Okay,

753
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: so you can check that out there. We've already got

754
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: a bunch on there already. I bet let's get through

755
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: a break. He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly.

756
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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Drive. You're on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt,

757
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: and now I'll be back with more right after.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

759
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

760
00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio, and.

761
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: We are back. I'm Dale LOLLI he is the Matt

762
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt we've seen some of the stuff that

763
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 2: the Competition Committee has put out there. We've seen what

764
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: some of the teams have thrown out there for teams

765
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: to talk about this weekend and the next week, and

766
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: they'll start on Sunday with the league meetings on Sunday

767
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: down in West Palm Beach. We'll be down there for

768
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: the drive on Sunday. There you go, was there anything

769
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: else that you looked at? And you say, boy, I

770
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 2: can't believe that didn't come up. Hmmm, I've got one

771
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: for you. Get it started, the double tap on the

772
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: foot if you we saw it a couple of times

773
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 2: last year.

774
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I got asked about twice to.

775
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: Look into it, twice with the same foot and then

776
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 2: there's no count and it did not count. And nobody

777
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: brought that up as a potential rule change.

778
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: That's funny because I got two separate tweets today out

779
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: of the blue asking about that, and I'm like, I

780
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: should look into that. I assume that came up, because

781
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: it sure seems like it should talk about it, and

782
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 3: it didn't. I think that should that should be a

783
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: rule change. I mean, is that as equally difficult to do.

784
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: You would think, if my butt counts, if my elbow counts, right,

785
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: I was not hitting my foot twice? Why does that

786
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: not count?

787
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's a goofy conversation, but it

788
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: really could happen. You could throw a swing pass to

789
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 3: a running back on the sidelines who catches it awkwardly,

790
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 3: hops on one foot five times, gets knocked out of bounds, pulls.

791
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: He pulls his hamstring right, it doesn't then, therefore, or

792
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: sprains his ankle and hops down the sideline gets out

793
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: of bounds for like a four yard game.

794
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: No catch yep, Sorry, that's like that's crazy to be

795
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: I mean, let alone the picking stuff that we saw. Yeah, yeah,

796
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 3: that's a good one. I had something else on my noodle.

797
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: What I were saying I don't remember now though, but

798
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: that is definitely a good one. I don't know, is

799
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: there any other ones that come to mind? Oh, what's

800
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 3: the Maybe these young pups can tell us what's the

801
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: blow in your nose thing or whatever that's now a

802
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: fifteen yard penalty. You're not allowed to wipe your nose

803
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: or something. I don't know.

804
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: Apparently apparently it's a gang sign.

805
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, so.

806
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: They don't want the players throwing up gang signs on

807
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 2: the field. I got no problem. What's if that's true?

808
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: Cool?

809
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: I mean, these guys have face masks on and they

810
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: don't get to their nose. But I just know that

811
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that.

812
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: That's why it's a gang. Yeah, you can't throw up

813
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: you know, gang signs on the field. I got no

814
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: issue whatsoever with that.

815
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: Okay. I assumed that's something to do like the throat

816
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: cut thing or you know what I mean, like well

817
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: frowned upon right right, right, exactly, Okay, But I just

818
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: wanted to bring that up, like, where's the thing about the.

819
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 2: Problem taunting in the and the signs and things like

820
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: that of that nature, and you know, shooting guns and

821
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 2: all that. We obviously know that they're not shooting a gun.

822
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 2: Of course, we know that they're not doing these things.

823
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: The problem becomes when kids emulate that. I know that's

824
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: what they're going at the level. Yeah, I was coaching.

825
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: I was cod This is years ago, and I got

826
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: asked to help coach my son's football team. And at

827
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: that point we're still on the they were like third

828
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: and fourth graders and so the coaches are behind the

829
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage on both sides, and one of our

830
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: running backs breaks free and as he's running down the sideline,

831
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Speaker 2: he turns around and starts holding the ball back and

832
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 2: high stepping into the kid behind him, And I immediately

833
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,959
Speaker 2: went to the end zone. I'm like, look, we don't

834
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: do that.

835
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 3: It's a great way not to play.

836
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we do. No, like, we don't do that,

837
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: but I saw it. No, I don't care where you

838
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: saw it. Once you say that it's not a good sportsmanship.

839
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: We don't do that, because if that kid, if one

840
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: of those other kids came down here and dove with

841
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: your knee right now, I would understand it.

842
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, right, which also is a good sportsmanship.

843
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 3: But you earned it. You earned it.

844
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: You want to talk, you want to walk the walk

845
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: on the field and talk to talk, you better be

846
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: ready to back it up.

847
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 3: And I just I do know that. I mean, obviously

848
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 3: there's some that shouldn't get called, or there's they go

849
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: too far to me, Like I wish I remember the conversation,

850
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: but it was like two years ago where the receiver

851
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: kind of walked over the corner and taunted him, and

852
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 3: after the game. They interviewed him. He's like we were

853
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: college roommates. He's like one of my best friends. We're

854
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 3: just laughing with each other on the field. You know,

855
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 3: the ref doesn't They don't know that, but.

856
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: You know, but again, it becomes a situation where if

857
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: you don't call it, the league goes, well, he just

858
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 2: he just put his crotch in that guy's face, right,

859
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: I stepped over there. And now some kid's going to

860
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: see that and do it in a high school game

861
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 2: or a grade school game and think that's okay.

862
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, And frankly, it's not like when we grew up,

863
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: and if you didn't see it live, you're not gonna

864
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: see It's not gonna be on your phone in ten seconds,

865
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: and every kid in the world's going to see it.

866
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 3: I get it, and I'm so naive. I don't know

867
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 3: what the nose thing is and what they all mean.

868
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 3: But no, I understand it. But I'm sure it does

869
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: take a little fun out of it. Not illegal, nasty thing.

870
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: I just mean being dudes, you know, But I understand it.

871
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I you know, when I played sports,

872
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: you know, I'd make a big basket or whatever, pump

873
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: the fist, or whatever, but I'm not, you know, up

874
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: in the guy's face. Hey, you know you're too short

875
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: or whatever. Yeah, it's stupid, right, stupid.

876
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: Or like in baseball, if you show up a picture

877
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: on a home run, you probably get some chin music, right,

878
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 3: I mean, or at least you used to when Nolan

879
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 3: Ryan and Bob Gibson were out there in the mountain.

880
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: Nothing makes me angry. I feel this, yeah, and the

881
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: guy does the whole bat flip. But we had we

882
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: had one, we'd a tournament. We're I had a sixteen

883
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: U team.

884
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: Huh so these are big they know better, right, yeah, yeah, But.

885
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: My entire roster, or about three quarters of my roster,

886
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: were actually fourteen year olds. We're playing in the sixteen

887
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: you semi finals of this tournament, and we're beating this

888
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: team that they thought they thought that they were gonna

889
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: cake walk over us, and we're beating them. When one

890
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: of their guys in the bottom of the fifth inning

891
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: hits a home run to put them up three to

892
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 2: two or four to three, whatever it was. Our dugouts

893
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: on the first base side, they're on the third base side,

894
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 2: turns to our dugout and does the bat flip like

895
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 2: fifty feet in the air and stands there and watches

896
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: I got my fourteen year old pitcher on the mound

897
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: who's pitching a gem against guy, and that jag Off

898
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: does that and then left the bat there, laying there.

899
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: After he came back in, and it's still laying there,

900
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: and it's still laying there.

901
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: After he round the bases.

902
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: After he rounds the bases, Hey, he hit a home run.

903
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: Good for him, that's a great play, right for you,

904
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: still laying there right, Yeah, the next batter is coming

905
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: up to the plate. I'm like, I yell over to

906
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: dug out, Hey, when are you guys gonna come over

907
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: here and take this bat back to your dugout before

908
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 2: it ends up somewhere where you don't you're not gonna want.

909
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: It and on the woods.

910
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, turns out he was the first Now he was

911
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: the first basement. I was coaching first base in this game.

912
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: He was the first basement I've talked to the entire game.

913
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: I didn't even realize it was him the day and

914
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: I'm aster talking to the umpire in between innings and

915
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: I'm talking about it. I hate that bat flip crap.

916
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: It's such you know, showing up, toss the bat or

917
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: do whatever. Even if you I've hit home runs before

918
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, yeah I hit. That mean I've jogged,

919
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: you know, jogging the first base watching to see at land.

920
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: You don't want to be the guy who jogs the

921
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: first base and it doesn't get out. But I knew when.

922
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it used to be. There wasn't a backflip thing.

923
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 3: You just sit there at home plate and wait, yeah,

924
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 3: and then you knew Bob Gibson, right.

925
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: So we come back then beat them up, We walk

926
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: them off nice. Actually that was in the top of

927
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: the fifth. We walk them off on the top of

928
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: the seventh. Half their team wouldn't shake my hand. I'm like,

929
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: I don't care because that was bush league stuff that

930
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: you you essentially you not only did you flip the

931
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: bat again forty feet in the air, you then stared

932
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: at our dug out after you did it, like, oh,

933
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: look at me, I'm you know, flexing up my dougout.

934
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: Get out of here with that crap. I don't. I

935
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: don't want to see if he had come up again,

936
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: he would have he would have wore a baseball.

937
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: Say at that level, do they get thrown at? Oh?

938
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so absolutely absolutely, and even like in I've

939
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: ordered the Code Red.

940
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: Okay, you want me on that wall, you need me

941
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: on that wall.

942
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: You want to be a jackass on the field, you're

943
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 2: gonna yeah.

944
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Sometimes as the next hitter get it, Like if

945
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 3: the dude hidden third.

946
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 2: It would depend on where and I mean it depends

947
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: where you're at in the game, the situation of the game,

948
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 2: not automatically just I'm not plunking the next guy because

949
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: that guy was a jackass. But if he comes up

950
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: again and we got an open.

951
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: Base, right, all right, I'm at least gonna let him know.

952
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna at least see one high end, you know,

953
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: not high and tight, but you're gonna see one inside that.

954
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know, I think that's perfectly fine. Yeah.

955
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know about like taking out the

956
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: knee for guys hill.

957
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: Another example is there we're in a game in the

958
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: in the first baseman is blocking the bag every time.

959
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: He's got his entire foot and he's got a big foot.

960
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: I got runners on first and they're diving back in

961
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 2: the first base and he's blocking the bag with his foot,

962
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: and I said something to the umpire. But I'm like,

963
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: he's not allowed to block the block the bag without

964
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: the ball because he's doing it when he's waiting for

965
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: the You can't block the bag. You got to give

966
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 2: the runner.

967
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have to have free access back there.

968
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: And so I said something to the umpire about it,

969
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: and he says, well, I can't do anything about it

970
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: until unless there's an actual play there that that you know,

971
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: he actually blocks. I said, okay, if you're not going

972
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: to tell him to do it, I went to my my.

973
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: I had I knew which kid to go to. Yeah,

974
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: I said, hey, if you get on first base and

975
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: he's playing and he's blocking the bag like that, I

976
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: don't want you to get a huge lead. But when

977
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: you come back in, I want you to dive into

978
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: his leg. We're not trying to hurt him.

979
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: You're not spiking him, no, but you're going back.

980
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 2: You're going back in your shoulders, going into his Yeah,

981
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: into his leg.

982
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 3: If you want to get in the way.

983
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: I want him to know that that's he's gonna not

984
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 2: block that bag. We did it. They threw over twice.

985
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: The kid hits him right in the knee too. Both times.

986
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: The kids comes oh man, that hurt. I'm like, and

987
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 2: the umpire like, should he goes coach? That's old school.

988
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, took care of the problem. He won't do

989
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: that again. Yeah.

990
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: And frankly, if you were my coach and that was

991
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 3: my eight year old on your team, that's how I

992
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 3: would want them coached, you know what I mean. Like,

993
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 3: if they're gonna break, there's old school, isn't all bad.

994
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: You're gonna push, You're gonna brush the boundaries. I'm gonna

995
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: push him back.

996
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, there's ways. You're not the first one that

997
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: thought of this, you know.

998
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 2: Or yeah right, yeah, And I'm sure his dad's sitting

999
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: in the stands going, well, I taught him how to

1000
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: block the bag. I've had that conversation with people for

1001
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: to what that's what I taught him to do.

1002
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: Well, you taught him I'm wrong, right, Yeah, that's why

1003
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 3: you're not coaching.

1004
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, I get all the not wanting that kind

1005
00:46:59,120 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 2: of stuff in the game.

1006
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: I get it too.

1007
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: And the world so small, and I'm not against celebrations

1008
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: and that kind of stuff. That's fun, you know, spontaneous stuff,

1009
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: that's great.

1010
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 3: I want the fun bunch, I want the smurfs. I

1011
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: want fine, I got no problem with all that kind

1012
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 3: of stuff, right, but when you're doing it in front,

1013
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: doing it specifically in front, you're waving the ball in

1014
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 3: front of the cornerback's face, you know the face.

1015
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're sacked the quarterback and you get up and like, no.

1016
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: It's different than TJ's kick or whatever those are.

1017
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: Just spot Yeah, it's not even such. It's spontaneous, but

1018
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: it's it's a celebration. I have no problem with that either.

1019
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: Just doing it at somebody else is what I have

1020
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: a problem with. No, I agree, you can celebrate a

1021
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 2: great play, but don't don't turn around and FlexIt my dugout,

1022
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, that's that's different. That's yeah, that's blow

1023
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: the belt. Yeah. Anyways, let's get to break. He is

1024
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to

1025
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. That's going

1026
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: to do it for our number one. We'll be back

1027
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Speaker 2: with our number two right after this.