Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 2: Already used all three timeouts from.
Speaker 3: The Chris Wesley podcast studio. It's Around the NFL, the
Speaker 3: Sunday Flagship Edition. I'm Dan hansis here with Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 3: and Mark Sessler's heroes, both.
Speaker 1: Boys.
Speaker 3: By my calculations, which is always little, you know, a
Speaker 3: little bit of a high wire act.
Speaker 1: Put it that way. That's true.
Speaker 3: This is our one hundred and seventy fourth Sunday Flagship program.
Speaker 1: Don't check the math.
Speaker 3: And we've done so many now and many of them
Speaker 3: they float away.
Speaker 1: It's just the nature of the beast. Is our eleventh season.
Speaker 3: But sometimes in these on these Sundays, something happens that
Speaker 3: you'll always remember that week and that Sunday and what
Speaker 3: happened with Miami Dolphins today. And we're gonna get to
Speaker 3: it in just a second. I'll always remember Week three
Speaker 3: of the twenty twenty three season cursed. However it may
Speaker 3: be from a personal standpoint for seeing something that I
Speaker 3: had never seen previously.
Speaker 1: We're in a brave new world in Miami.
Speaker 4: I would say, when I think about my own memory
Speaker 4: skills at this stage, I don't know if I'll remember
Speaker 4: that it was in week three a couple of years
Speaker 4: from now, but I will remember it. I will because
Speaker 4: these beatdowns stand out is something totally unique, and we
Speaker 4: were watching it happen.
Speaker 1: In real time.
Speaker 4: They beat They covered the spread by forty three points,
Speaker 4: forty three and a half points.
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen too often.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was a good lock by the
Speaker 5: little Boy by the West Bros.
Speaker 1: That's spread in there.
Speaker 5: I thought you were gonna say something happened that you
Speaker 5: never have seen before that you'll remember forever in the
Speaker 5: luxury box in Kansas City, because that you will remember too.
Speaker 3: Is this perhaps the most memorable Week three in the
Speaker 3: history around the NFL?
Speaker 1: Perhaps it's in the conversation a strong candidate.
Speaker 3: And we'll end this show because we you know, we
Speaker 3: had a BF two heavy two last Sunday two hours.
Speaker 3: We're going for a heavy three because the final hour
Speaker 3: today we'll just be cataloging every Week three since two thousand.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, a lot.
Speaker 3: Of work for a big funk behind the glass and
Speaker 3: Eric just start pulling data. Yeah, pull like a butt
Speaker 3: ton of data from the history of our show.
Speaker 4: Big Funk thought he was going out for like a
Speaker 4: nice evening martini.
Speaker 1: Don't think so he gone, all right, let's get to it.
Speaker 3: Let's start where we must start, not in the luxury
Speaker 3: suite at Arrowhead, although.
Speaker 1: Pretty interesting place to be.
Speaker 3: And we had a spirited conversation that I'm still trying
Speaker 3: to figure out if we could have that conversation.
Speaker 1: On this show. No, I figured it out.
Speaker 3: No, okay, Well hold that thought. Let's start in Miami,
Speaker 3: where history was made.
Speaker 5: Change.
Speaker 1: The running back chose a flank to the right.
Speaker 2: We got Barrios in most and it pitched to a
Speaker 2: change upside point fifty.
Speaker 1: He's gone thirty. Nobody's gonna catch the eight chan. Wow.
Speaker 6: You want to see a change speed out its best
Speaker 6: one a day, the rookie.
Speaker 1: Out of Texas A and I has had. He just
Speaker 1: outruns everybody. They make this extra point, They're going to
Speaker 1: seventy points on the day in an NFL game. You
Speaker 1: don't see that.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 3: Devon eight chain rush for two hundred and three yards
Speaker 3: and four scores, including the sixty seven yard fourth quarter
Speaker 3: dash that allowed Miami to enter rarefied air in football history.
Speaker 3: The Dolphins scored the most points in the game by
Speaker 3: an NFL team since nineteen sixty six, destroying the Broncos
Speaker 3: seventy to twenty.
Speaker 1: What what give us a wait wait wait wait what what?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 9: What?
Speaker 5: What's what?
Speaker 1: Give me another one's.
Speaker 3: Fats whyspots, whatspot, make it a hat tricks whysots, watts spots.
Speaker 1: That's not Greg, that's Sean Payton.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable. Yes, Mike McDaniel, masterclass and doing it to Sean Payton,
Speaker 3: who I have to say? And otherwise rough Sunday, and
Speaker 3: what's going to be a season of rough Sundays for
Speaker 3: the old Zeusser.
Speaker 1: It doesn't suck?
Speaker 3: Sing Sean Payton get a seventy burger dropped on him. Yes,
Speaker 3: So a historic performance by Miami's offense that just scored
Speaker 3: at will Greg in this game?
Speaker 1: How at will?
Speaker 3: Like just paint a picture of how often and how
Speaker 3: easily they dominated this game.
Speaker 5: Well, they didn't attempt a field goal, so you know,
Speaker 5: seventy divided by seven, that's ten touchdowns. No stopped on
Speaker 5: downs at one point, h they went forward on fourth
Speaker 5: down and they were stuffed like ten touchdowns. They scored ten.
Speaker 1: They had over seven hundred total yards. Just the NFL record.
Speaker 1: Give us some data.
Speaker 5: Points, Okay, I know, like I want to talk about
Speaker 5: who did well, but sometimes just the stats are so overwhelming.
Speaker 5: The seven hundred and twenty six yards this actually may
Speaker 5: be crazier to me than the points, is the second
Speaker 5: most in NFL history. The record is by the Rams
Speaker 5: in Week one to fifty one against the Count against
Speaker 5: a team I did not know existed called the New
Speaker 5: York Yanks. I mean, that's not even a football that's
Speaker 5: a baseball team.
Speaker 3: You know what we work for the NFL close enough,
Speaker 3: we decide what ye rule book on this one. This
Speaker 3: is the record for most yards.
Speaker 1: Right, and I'm like four earths ago.
Speaker 5: And frankly, the seventy two points, which was the regular
Speaker 5: season record, only happened in sixty six, which is like,
Speaker 5: that's a completely different sport. And that coach Otto Graham
Speaker 5: had to take a time out with two seconds left
Speaker 5: to get those final three points because he wanted the record,
Speaker 5: whereas Mike McDaniel could have kicked a field goal at
Speaker 5: the end of this and they put up seventy in
Speaker 5: fifty two minutes.
Speaker 3: A few more, Okay, go ahead. You want to hear
Speaker 3: from McDaniel why he didn't choose to do it.
Speaker 1: Sure, I try to think through all my decisions and
Speaker 1: hold him with.
Speaker 8: You know the importance that they do have. It felt
Speaker 8: like chasing points and chasing a record. That's not what
Speaker 8: we came to the game to do. That doesn't have
Speaker 8: a bearing on the overall season come and I just didn't.
Speaker 10: I saw it, as you know, and that ten times
Speaker 10: out of ten you you can see kneel down in
Speaker 10: those situations because there was a there was an attainable record.
Speaker 8: That was cool, But the message that I thought it
Speaker 8: would send wasn't really in line with how I viewed.
Speaker 3: Think, Oh, he's one of a gun. He really is
Speaker 3: everything he says. He's like one of those guys are
Speaker 3: no matter what he says.
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny. I don't know why. Well, certain delivery.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's so many weird stats in this game. One
Speaker 5: of them that struck me was they were five for
Speaker 5: nine on third downs, good percentage, And I thought, well,
Speaker 5: they scored ten touchdowns, they ran seventy plus plays, they
Speaker 5: only had nine third downs. Isn't that an insane stat
Speaker 5: that you only got the third down nine times? And
Speaker 5: when you guys rewatched this whole thing, I know you
Speaker 5: saw plenty. What I think will take you well is
Speaker 5: the running game that as great as a schemer. Mike
Speaker 5: McDaniel is known for getting to the ball out of
Speaker 5: his hands quick. He was known in San Francisco for
Speaker 5: skinning the run game. That was his whole thing. And
Speaker 5: they went over three hundred and fifty yards rushing and
Speaker 5: it was eight chain and it was Raheem Moster breaking tackles.
Speaker 5: It was an embarrassing performance by Denver. They each ended
Speaker 5: up with four touchdowns and some of their runs were
Speaker 5: the most exciting plays in the game. And it's amazing
Speaker 5: to think how we were concerned about this offensive line,
Speaker 5: like oh, this they might not be talented enough, and
Speaker 5: they were blown up in some big goals.
Speaker 4: And like last year, despite the explosive nature of the offense,
Speaker 4: the run game was not always consistent and reliable. And
Speaker 4: you're right, like, he the reason Deebo Samuel kind of
Speaker 4: became this explosive runner was Mike McDaniel. And then he
Speaker 4: goes to Miami and now you're seeing the effects again,
Speaker 4: and it's like, I know it's a copycat league and
Speaker 4: we're like, oh, this is gonna be a Shanahan offense.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a Mike McDaniel offense.
Speaker 4: Is completely running into its own new worlds and territories,
Speaker 4: and there are things you can't duplicate. And I think
Speaker 4: they broke Denver's will out of the gate because these
Speaker 4: players are too fast and so next gen stats And
Speaker 4: I know we kind of make fun of this because
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, so and so everyone's running twenty two
Speaker 4: miles an hour.
Speaker 1: Twenty but right the five, if people around twenty two,
Speaker 1: it would be more notable.
Speaker 4: Sure, the five fastest registered times this season are all
Speaker 4: by Dolphins.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. And that's the thing.
Speaker 4: You can't You can't like the next team that wants
Speaker 4: to like copy this scheme. Cool, you don't have those players.
Speaker 3: Let's hear from Sean Payton, who uh uh you know,
Speaker 3: was embarrassed obviously by this performance. He came out of
Speaker 3: retirement or left a cushy job at Fox to become
Speaker 3: the head coach. Obviously had some big words about the
Speaker 3: previous head coach and how it was the worst coaching
Speaker 3: job in the history of the game, I believe, checkmate,
Speaker 3: and how they are zero to three and just uh,
Speaker 3: we're throttled in historic fashion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could imagine he's not in a great mood.
Speaker 1: I know that you said, it's embarrassing, but this has
Speaker 1: kind of been a store a.
Speaker 3: Third time.
Speaker 1: The team has scored seventy points over seventy what's a question?
Speaker 9: What's the questions?
Speaker 1: Next question? Hey man, you got to wear it. You
Speaker 1: you did not have that team ready to play? You
Speaker 1: know who?
Speaker 3: Also want to hear from Garrett Bowles, an offensive lineman
Speaker 3: who has been there, I believe for seven years. And
Speaker 3: I think one thing that gets slept on a little
Speaker 3: bit is that the Denver Broncos had a long, long
Speaker 3: period of success and they won the Super Super Bowl fifty.
Speaker 3: We were there with that great Von Miller led defense,
Speaker 3: and they have been a bad team ever since. Here's
Speaker 3: bulls kind of encapsulating like sneaky dark dark times in Denver,
Speaker 3: and it's been going on for a while right now.
Speaker 1: What are the emotions like going through your head? Personally?
Speaker 1: It's tired of losing. Man, I've been here for seven
Speaker 1: years and all I've done is loss and trustrating.
Speaker 3: I mean that shot of him, it's from nine News Denver,
Speaker 3: sitting in his locker just looking like, you know, the
Speaker 3: world has caved in.
Speaker 1: He looked kind of has yeah, Broncos. He looked defeated.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's I kept thinking the fact that,
Speaker 4: like it's Vic Fangio, Miami's new defensive coordinator, that the
Speaker 4: one thing that Broncos had through all their up and
Speaker 4: down quarterback play and lost nature on offense was at
Speaker 4: times like a really great defense. And it's like vig
Speaker 4: Fangio's watching many some of the players he coached get
Speaker 4: totally boat raced today and it's just that's an interesting contrast.
Speaker 5: Not too many are left and Justin Simmons was out
Speaker 5: in this game. In Creem Jackson, I felt like it
Speaker 5: is playing hard at his age, but he had a
Speaker 5: man I've been in the NFL a long time, on
Speaker 5: that Tyreek Hill touchdown that started it all off, where
Speaker 5: he just seems so open and Jackson tries to take
Speaker 5: an angle and Tyreek just breaks defenses. Because with no
Speaker 5: Jalen Wattle today, like no wide receivers other than Tyreek
Speaker 5: Hill had more than two catches. Barrios had two for
Speaker 5: thirty three. Wow, and they still put up seventy points.
Speaker 5: But the thing that gets me, and I wish Wes
Speaker 5: was here to talk about this Miami team because I
Speaker 5: think he would see the poetry in it, and he
Speaker 5: was very good talking about like the poetry of these
Speaker 5: of offenses that are ahead of the rest of the league.
Speaker 5: And there is something about how Tua gets rid of
Speaker 5: the ball so fast, like immediately, and yet tyreek Hill
Speaker 5: is seventeen yards down the field on a second and
Speaker 5: sixteen that was like the one negative play they had
Speaker 5: the whole game of second and seven sixteen and I
Speaker 5: swear to a through it in like one and a
Speaker 5: half seconds, and yet tyreek Hill is over here. And
Speaker 5: then you see a Chane who I think is a
Speaker 5: national contender, champion in the two hundred meters dash. His
Speaker 5: birth is crazy. Moster was the fastest player in the league.
Speaker 5: And there's just something about it with McDaniel that it's beautiful.
Speaker 5: The one like.
Speaker 4: Tua, who you know obviously a couple of months ago,
Speaker 4: like he's the question mark can you stay healthy? Is
Speaker 4: he was whereas high marks a year ago? Actually who
Speaker 4: he is or he's somewhere in the middle. It's like
Speaker 4: twenty three for twenty six. It's that quick release is
Speaker 4: just as you said, because week after week he's been
Speaker 4: doing that with Tyreek Hill being somewhere of a superhuman
Speaker 4: nature down the field, where your other next NFL wide
Speaker 4: receiver wouldn't betting more close to what he's doing.
Speaker 3: You know, I think the differences between this team and
Speaker 3: last year's team. All this talk, you know, and understandably so,
Speaker 3: is about Tua and the summer Kenny stay healthy.
Speaker 1: Nobody really picked this team to make the playoffs in
Speaker 1: our neck of the woods.
Speaker 3: I think even if Mike Whites has to take over,
Speaker 3: I think this offense is gonna hum It just seems
Speaker 3: like they are set up.
Speaker 1: To do something.
Speaker 5: So Mike White's got a perfect passer rating on the season,
Speaker 5: two for two sixty seven yards the West Bros.
Speaker 3: You know what, after the madness of last week's lock
Speaker 3: we we kind of said, okay, take the six and
Speaker 3: a half and jumped by forty.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you when do you GotY three?
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you win by fifty, you gotta give it credit.
Speaker 5: When when Robbie Chosen is burning one of the best
Speaker 5: cornerbacks in the league, Patrick.
Speaker 1: Chosen Anderson, formerly Robbie Anderson, it.
Speaker 5: Was Robbie Anders Robby with a Y, not Robbie with
Speaker 5: an I E. He also switched it to I E.
Speaker 5: He was Chosen Anderson, but he has switched it now
Speaker 5: this year in Miami, Robbie chosen.
Speaker 1: Does the government ever step in and say too many
Speaker 1: name changing the NFL? Does Robbie Anderson have more different
Speaker 1: names in the last three years than catches? And I'm
Speaker 1: not even joking.
Speaker 5: Good so well, he's averaging sixty eight yards per catch
Speaker 5: with a touchdown on every catch this season.
Speaker 1: You know, this game is so crazy because we got
Speaker 1: to keep moving.
Speaker 3: I think we should make this the around the NFL
Speaker 3: Game of the Week on NFL Plus this week. Okay,
Speaker 3: Dolphins fans, make sure you tune in because this this
Speaker 3: deserves a deep dive.
Speaker 1: I love it, a dumpster dive if you're a Broncos fan.
Speaker 4: I mean, because it's our nature to gravitate towards for
Speaker 4: those plus games, like you know, back and forth battles. Uh,
Speaker 4: this is just a good old fashioned beatdown. One of
Speaker 4: the things I love the most, old bomb drop And.
Speaker 1: That's what this is.
Speaker 5: Russell willsont shout up to. This game is like, hey,
Speaker 5: I played a pretty good game, like I actually was
Speaker 5: one of my better games, and I just lost by fifty.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable, very crazy. And by the way, you if this
Speaker 3: if it was if the roles are reversed. You know,
Speaker 3: Sean Payton's going for that lpen. Of course, record this
Speaker 3: is sometimes it's good to see somebody take some humble pie.
Speaker 3: Shovel it down, Shawnee, shovel it down. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys running on a time. Here the clock at
Speaker 1: three fifteen.
Speaker 9: They're gonna huddle third and goal on the six they
Speaker 9: trailed twenty eight to sixteen. They're gonna send Cooks out
Speaker 9: to the left and two receivers.
Speaker 5: To the right.
Speaker 9: Shotgun formation for Dak Prescott, Pollard to his left. Twenty
Speaker 9: three carries for Pollard, Prescott the pass straight, drop fires,
Speaker 9: middle of the end.
Speaker 11: Zone, Pickcock Pizer White with they intercepted, and then by
Speaker 11: do in Dallas, Wow Pizier.
Speaker 2: White in the middle of the end zone.
Speaker 1: I don't know that Prescott ever saw him. Just bizarre,
Speaker 1: just bizarre.
Speaker 3: The Dallas Cowboys look better than everybody save maybe the
Speaker 3: Niners in the first two weeks of the season, and
Speaker 3: they're going to Arizona and play the Cardinals, and everybody's
Speaker 3: predicting boat race and they get spanked.
Speaker 1: They get absolutely spanked.
Speaker 3: Dak throws a miserable iront at the end there, and
Speaker 3: even if he does get that win in through coverage,
Speaker 3: they're still down by five, I believe with three.
Speaker 1: Minutes to go or so. So like that just gives
Speaker 1: you an idea of a game that got.
Speaker 3: Away from the Cowboys, who were flat and listless a
Speaker 3: few days after they lost Trayvon Diggs for the year
Speaker 3: to win ACL tear and credit to the Arizona Cardinals
Speaker 3: and Joshua Dobbs who come up with the twenty eight
Speaker 3: sixteen win in Glendale.
Speaker 1: Mark this one's a hard one to figure out. NFL's
Speaker 1: weird sometimes.
Speaker 4: Well, I think things happened that you would go into
Speaker 4: the game not expecting from what we've seen, especially from
Speaker 4: like the Cowboys defense over the last season and part
Speaker 4: of this season. They got wiped out on the ground
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty two yards rushing in the first half.
Speaker 4: Now it was only they only had you know what,
Speaker 4: efros far less than that in the second half because
Speaker 4: the Cardinals didn't have the ball as much. But it's
Speaker 4: like the Cardinals came out. We've seen this two games.
Speaker 4: They they'll play at least a great half and then
Speaker 4: there was a collapse. Last week they played four great quarters.
Speaker 4: This time around, and the Dallas defense in the offense
Speaker 4: never really recovered. There were plenty of like pass breakdowns.
Speaker 4: Again it's Josh Dobbs who after week one it looked
Speaker 4: like this is a big problem for the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Josh Sabbs just keeps making plays.
Speaker 4: And I also think that what's what we're seeing happening
Speaker 4: is when you've got a lot of backups, like on
Speaker 4: your offensive line in other places, penalties start creeping up.
Speaker 4: And they had ten in the first half, which Cowboys
Speaker 4: the most. The Cowboys the most, the most in the
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy era. They were sloppy. I really think that
Speaker 4: they're missing no Zach Martin, no Tyron Smith, no Tyler Beatish,
Speaker 4: Like these guys are the core of their offense, and
Speaker 4: it absolutely affected what they could do on offense in general.
Speaker 4: And it's like, but there was a nature of this game.
Speaker 4: Because we watched the second half together, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: the Cardinals are going to find a way to fall
Speaker 4: apart here.
Speaker 1: That's not what happened.
Speaker 4: Because this Cowboys offense that we assume is explosive, they've
Speaker 4: looked explosive. Three straight red zone drives, all right, The
Speaker 4: first one falls apart on fourth and three on downs
Speaker 4: on an complete pass to Ceede Lamb. The next one
Speaker 4: they kick a field goal after a third down and
Speaker 4: complete pass from the eight to ceed Lamb. The third time,
Speaker 4: it's their chance to get back into this game. Dak
Speaker 4: Prescott terrible pick, and it's like the Cardinals just did
Speaker 4: not allow them back into this game. And it was
Speaker 4: sort of every aspect of the Cardinals team. And it's
Speaker 4: like under Jonathan Gannon, who we thought this team was
Speaker 4: like riding a tank into oblivion. They're well coached, they're
Speaker 4: not perfect, they don't have all the parts, but it's
Speaker 4: like we've seen them outperform every opponent at least for
Speaker 4: a half in every one of these games, and today
Speaker 4: it was for four quarters.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, it's a nice win for again.
Speaker 3: And I think, like a lot of people, that the
Speaker 3: Cardinals played their hearts out the first two weeks and
Speaker 3: then had the hearts ripped out and then here comes
Speaker 3: the big bad Cowboys and this smelled like thirty eight
Speaker 3: ten and yet two big runs that kind of jumped
Speaker 3: out to me. Dobb's going for forty four up the sideline,
Speaker 3: right all the way, a little bit of an eyebrow raiser, like,
Speaker 3: oh wait a second, that was even that just one
Speaker 3: off play. It just felt like that was strange. And
Speaker 3: then when Rondell Moore goes forty five yards virtually untouched,
Speaker 3: you just think yourself, what is going on with this
Speaker 3: Cowboys defense that has been so air tight? They were
Speaker 3: able to keep Micah Parsons in checking this game after
Speaker 3: he ran wild in the first two weeks. And yeah,
Speaker 3: the offense was strange with Dallas because you mentioned the
Speaker 3: Prescott I int which is ugly at the end. I
Speaker 3: kept waiting for Ceedee Lamb to get unlocked in this game,
Speaker 3: and I feel like that was what was missing from
Speaker 3: their attack. They needed Lamb to be Lamb and Prescott
Speaker 3: and Lamb to get on the same page Greg But
Speaker 3: every time they seem to need that play, it wasn't there.
Speaker 3: And you see that they left a lot of yards
Speaker 3: on the field and ultimately enough points to lose a stunner.
Speaker 5: Right, It's a great example of something I try to
Speaker 5: remember and then you just forget it, which is like
Speaker 5: the best and the worst NFL teams really aren't that
Speaker 5: far apart. Like even these guys who are out there
Speaker 5: playing cornerback for the Cardinals, like Ken Treull, Clark came
Speaker 5: out of nowhere, like an undrafted type of guy who's
Speaker 5: just they're trying to pick on him. They're trying to
Speaker 5: pick on over and over. But Mark you watch is tighter,
Speaker 5: closer than me. And four hundred yards by the Cardinals
Speaker 5: offense on nine drives to me is more shocking than
Speaker 5: anything else that happened today. Just that fact alone that
Speaker 5: Josh Thabs had four incompletions and they went four hundred yards.
Speaker 4: I really think, like we've greg we've been watching these
Speaker 4: games together like you on these Sundays, and it's like
Speaker 4: we talked about James Connor a couple times that you
Speaker 4: kind of get the pro James Connor season, then the
Speaker 4: other one hot and cold.
Speaker 1: There's been injuries, there's been ups and downs.
Speaker 4: He's running so hard, and I think he kind of
Speaker 4: broke the will of this run defense in the first
Speaker 4: half along with the big plays you mentioned, and it's
Speaker 4: like it's just ultra surprising, like you would I would
Speaker 4: have thought this would have been the game for the
Speaker 4: Cardinals were after two kind of plucky performances, here comes
Speaker 4: a wipeout against the much more talented team that feels
Speaker 4: like a super Bowl team. And this is this is
Speaker 4: if you are someone that has and this is me
Speaker 4: like seeds of distrust for the overall Dallas journey. Like
Speaker 4: great team, good roster, They're gonna find a way to
Speaker 4: fall apart. Like this is a very concerning Sunday for fans.
Speaker 5: Dig Losing Digs is just is so big. I know
Speaker 5: you guys hit on that, but that that's something you
Speaker 5: can't come back from the Cardinals. I mean you can't
Speaker 5: like get that player back. I uh, the Cardinals are
Speaker 5: sneaky becoming the team of Cestio. I don't know if
Speaker 5: you know this, Dan, don't say that.
Speaker 1: I just see they're having such a nice start.
Speaker 5: You put that bed you No, he's just enjoying the
Speaker 5: Cardinal I know they've been surprised.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing what you don't verbalize it. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing into anything like.
Speaker 5: I'm just seeing his heart of fletter.
Speaker 1: You know. I think the thing is like I think.
Speaker 4: They're one of these teams where it's like all off
Speaker 4: season long, we think we know what they are and
Speaker 4: they're completely different, and it's like kind of goes against
Speaker 4: everything you think about. This whole concept of tanking in
Speaker 4: the NFL. It's like, don't tell the twenty coaches and
Speaker 4: seventy two players that that's the case.
Speaker 1: It was a good Sunday, and that's why I'm not
Speaker 1: going to make too much of the Cowboys losing here,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to.
Speaker 3: Go over the moon and say that the Cardinals are
Speaker 3: a feel good tale. But for one that's fleast, it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very nice.
Speaker 12: This happened though, and that you're not erasing it, not you,
Speaker 12: they are. They can't do it, won't do it. Dave
Speaker 12: passed by the way, k MVP with that call and
Speaker 12: a good one, all right.
Speaker 3: Up next the you know the rare not so rare actually,
Speaker 3: but two teams that were playoff teams a year ago
Speaker 3: in a double wounded animal game zero and two O two.
Speaker 3: And on top of that, it's the effing Chargers and Vikings,
Speaker 3: the two weirdest teams in NFL history.
Speaker 1: You know it's gonna get funky, and it did.
Speaker 12: Thirty seconds, the seconds down to fifteen seconds, totally freaks.
Speaker 5: Tragic cousins to.
Speaker 3: Pass to the end zone up in the arecepted, then
Speaker 3: our scepted in the end zone.
Speaker 1: Tenneth Murray, Oh the ball was up in the air
Speaker 1: for an eternity. Ben Murray has the concentration to secure it.
Speaker 1: That's Nieman who popped that up. Yeah, we could fade out.
Speaker 1: Did she just fade out on Daniel Jeremiah?
Speaker 3: I like that, a nice hard fade out on the
Speaker 3: We call him the other guy in the booth. It's untoward,
Speaker 3: but that was Matt Muney Smith with the call KYSR.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: After Brandon Staley completely lost his marbles and gambled needlessly
Speaker 3: on fourth down and lost, giving the Vikings a chance
Speaker 3: to steal one yes interception Kirk Cousins after they make
Speaker 3: a bit of an odd move. Greg and this game
Speaker 3: in that sequence as well, converting the first down and
Speaker 3: then not spiking while seemingly rushing into that.
Speaker 1: Were they trying so hard to be what they are?
Speaker 13: In?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: You know not to mention Greg e the Justin Herbert
Speaker 3: who was fabulous in this game. Finally, his big go
Speaker 3: ahead touchdown actually goes through the cornerback's hands into his
Speaker 3: receiver's hands for the touchdown. Just as weird as you
Speaker 3: would expect a game like this to be. Final score
Speaker 3: twenty eight twenty four Charger it.
Speaker 5: Was the most chargers of Vikings cornered animal game possible.
Speaker 5: They each ended up with exactly four hundred and seventy
Speaker 5: five yards. There was nothing to separate this except for
Speaker 5: like a goofy Kirk Cousins as he we'll return to
Speaker 5: the Brandon Staley fourth down because okay, I disagree.
Speaker 1: A little bit. Okay, I knew Greg would make that decision, but.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, well, I mean you can't just judge the results.
Speaker 5: But it was about who can kind of botch the
Speaker 5: end of the game in some way more than the other.
Speaker 5: And when TJ. Hockinson caught that ball for the Vikings
Speaker 5: inside the red zone, where was it exactly? It was
Speaker 5: at the six yard line. It was thirty five seconds
Speaker 5: were left in the game, thirty five That snap went
Speaker 5: off at twelve seconds. And there is something about Kirk,
Speaker 5: and I put this a little on Kirk and the
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator. You know, it's Kevin O'Connell where sometimes when
Speaker 5: the bullets are flying and things are going crazy, he
Speaker 5: fritzes out a little bit like you need you need
Speaker 5: to have a plan at that point for what happens
Speaker 5: if the ball goes into the middle of the field
Speaker 5: and we pick up the first down. You need to
Speaker 5: either be hurrying and have another play go off quickly,
Speaker 5: which is what I'd prefer that don't waste the play spiking,
Speaker 5: or you need to spike it because they went crazy.
Speaker 5: They were discombobulated, and then he forces it into coverage.
Speaker 5: It was a nice play, as that guy who he's
Speaker 5: the draft guy here The name escapes me, but he
Speaker 5: pointed out Nick Neeman. I mean, you have these guys.
Speaker 5: Nick Neeman pops it up and Kenneth Murray makes the play,
Speaker 5: and the defense, which had struggled all day, finally makes
Speaker 5: something happen and they somehow get out of here and
Speaker 5: maybe save Brandon Staley's job.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So here it is.
Speaker 3: Here's the setup, fourth and one at his own twenty
Speaker 3: four yard line. Gregie, Yes, they are up. They're winning
Speaker 3: the football game. Correct, They're up by four. They're up
Speaker 3: by four points.
Speaker 5: So the other Vikings need a touchdown.
Speaker 3: With one minute and after the play goes through, one
Speaker 3: forty seven to play, so they had the choice to
Speaker 3: punt it away and again four point leads.
Speaker 1: So you need to surrender a touchdown to lose this
Speaker 1: football game. Field goal.
Speaker 3: It's not a field goaler or anything like that. They
Speaker 3: choose to go for it and Austin Eckler out again
Speaker 3: in this game. Instead, they give the ball to Joshua Kelly,
Speaker 3: who gets stuffed in the hole by Jonathan Bullard and
Speaker 3: the Vikings get the ball. I mean, Greg explained to me,
Speaker 3: what's the take other than wow, he's got some real stones,
Speaker 3: because that doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: That doesn't matter. You gotta protect the team and protect
Speaker 1: the players that you represent.
Speaker 5: Don't love to play call. I think it gives you
Speaker 5: two chances to win the game either way. You have
Speaker 5: to get them to you have to stop them either way.
Speaker 5: Granted they're starting at the twenty five yard line, but
Speaker 5: I think Staley's looking at his defense, which Bosa was
Speaker 5: barely on the field. He was off and on, but
Speaker 5: mostly off. Derwin James is off and injured at that point.
Speaker 5: I know it only says twenty four for the Vikings,
Speaker 5: but four hundred and seventy five yards twenty nine first downs.
Speaker 5: The Vikings were moving the ball at will, punting the
Speaker 5: ball away there. I feel like they're gonna get back
Speaker 5: to the twenty five with enough time, and I know
Speaker 5: they didn't have timeouts but I feel like they're gonna
Speaker 5: get back in position and you just need a yard,
Speaker 5: get a freaking yard. But the play call was bad
Speaker 5: because Joshua Kelly went eleven rushes for twelve yards in
Speaker 5: this game. They couldn't run the ball and they just
Speaker 5: tried to do the same thing they did all game,
Speaker 5: and I just want the ball on Justin Herbert's hand.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 5: They tried to run the ball three times in that sequence,
Speaker 5: first and second out, and that's where I really think
Speaker 5: they mismanaged. They charged the end of this game. Just
Speaker 5: let Justin Herbert get a freaking first down and you
Speaker 5: win the game. He's playing the best game I've ever
Speaker 5: seen him play in my life. Instead they go run, run,
Speaker 5: set up a third and nine or third and ten,
Speaker 5: and he hits it for nine yards, of course because
Speaker 5: he's justin freaking Herbert, and then you're a yard short
Speaker 5: and just in some way involve Herbert in that play.
Speaker 4: We're in the world of the butt push and like
Speaker 4: the almost indefensible fourth and short quarterback sneak, and Herbert
Speaker 4: is the size, the power, the everything to do it.
Speaker 4: Kelly's last week, I thought he had problems last week.
Speaker 4: Today you mentioned how ineffective he was. Uh, Kellen Moore
Speaker 4: looked a little frazzled after that, I think for obvious reasons,
Speaker 4: because you're gonna be the center point of conversation for
Speaker 4: the next like seven.
Speaker 5: I mean it maybe could have lost his job if
Speaker 5: they I think so too.
Speaker 1: It's possible. How about a direct snap on a punt?
Speaker 3: How about a little fake punt if we're gonna we're
Speaker 3: feeling so or so ballsy here or I'm kicking it away.
Speaker 3: But I understand now what we're dealing with now, Gregy.
Speaker 3: And we should get to Herbert in a second, because
Speaker 3: his numbers are out of this world, not to much
Speaker 3: a Keenan Allen eighteen for two o five and he
Speaker 3: threw a fifty yard touchdown.
Speaker 1: Best all are crazy? Yeah? Is this not the game
Speaker 1: of the week for NFLUS. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I know, struggling with this one, Uh, Greggy, but I
Speaker 3: lost my train of thought. I'm so I'm so pumped
Speaker 3: up about this game you talk about Herbert.
Speaker 5: Herbert went forty for forty seven for four oh five
Speaker 5: three touchdowns. Now the worst throw really out of forty seven,
Speaker 5: I think he really only made maybe two bad throws
Speaker 5: and one of them was could have been an interception,
Speaker 5: and it went for the last touchdown that the Chargers
Speaker 5: scored the go ahead to Josh Palmer, so he got
Speaker 5: a little break there. But before that, it was maybe
Speaker 5: the best game I've ever seen Herbert play because there
Speaker 5: were four or five shots twenty plus down the field,
Speaker 5: so it wasn't just dinking and duncan. But he was
Speaker 5: so accurate and whatever Flores tried to do early on,
Speaker 5: they were playing like super prevent. They were daring him
Speaker 5: to dink and dunk, and he did it and Alan
Speaker 5: that's why Alan went eighteen for two fifteen. But then
Speaker 5: when they started cooking him up, he was making throws
Speaker 5: against pressure and I just thought he showed everything that
Speaker 5: you want out of an NFL quarterback in this game.
Speaker 5: That was why I was frustrating. And he didn't have
Speaker 5: the ball at the end there and you're handing it off.
Speaker 1: The Kellen Moore thing's working. I think it's working for
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen.
Speaker 4: I mean the flexibility of like, if you're gonna give
Speaker 4: us this, we'll take this instead today, and it's arrow
Speaker 4: up on Herbert, Like I know, maybe Dan, you wanted
Speaker 4: to be a little more fire up or I rate
Speaker 4: in certain situations like, I mean, he's that's.
Speaker 1: Exactly what I want. Well, that's whatever. Get irate.
Speaker 5: Technically, this is a fantastic game, but this would have
Speaker 5: been This would have been the same story though, because
Speaker 5: unless he had enough time, it would have been another
Speaker 5: one where the offense, even though it dominated, didn't get
Speaker 5: the first down when it needed to. This time, the
Speaker 5: defense just made the play. I want to shout out,
Speaker 5: who is it? Twoey Poloto? Their defensive tackle was dominating
Speaker 5: this game, but it was kind of a pyrrhic victory,
Speaker 5: as they would call it. Derwin James mri and his hamstring,
Speaker 5: Mike Williams MRII on his knee. That one looked possibly serious.
Speaker 13: J C.
Speaker 5: Jackson was a healthy scratch. Oh that's weird.
Speaker 1: I mean, like still trouble.
Speaker 5: I don't really feel like, Okay, everything's fine, but it's
Speaker 5: worse for the Vikings who are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the point I meant to make, which
Speaker 3: is like the fact that they went for it on
Speaker 3: fourth and one at the twenty four tells you that
Speaker 3: Brendan Staley, the defensive guy, is completely at a loss.
Speaker 3: He trust the defense to get any stops at all.
Speaker 3: And the thing, one of the things I love about
Speaker 3: sports is how dumb they are. And we we're in
Speaker 3: a new Arab sports where you know, the nerds have
Speaker 3: taken over and it's great. The advanced analytics. We popped
Speaker 3: the hood on the games, not just football, all different
Speaker 3: sports in ways that we never did in the past.
Speaker 3: But like at the end, it's funny how Justin Herbert
Speaker 3: once again would have been the same storyline. If that
Speaker 3: ball doesn't go through the cornerbacks hands.
Speaker 5: Everything right hinged on that happening, although everything would have
Speaker 5: changed after that. I always like to play it.
Speaker 1: Now you got the ballacy of the predetermined outcome.
Speaker 4: You're saying, you've got the vikings in that deep lake
Speaker 4: of regression. Oh in three and one score games next
Speaker 4: love it.
Speaker 3: I said it as a joke in Week one that
Speaker 3: they would lose every one score game after winning every
Speaker 3: single one last year in the regular season.
Speaker 1: We're eleven zero.
Speaker 5: I mean, if Kirk Cousins was ever going to become
Speaker 5: a jet. We don't need to go deep on this one,
Speaker 5: but it's setting up that way.
Speaker 3: Save that for the Dan and Keith Hans's emergency, all right,
Speaker 3: and yes, you know, you know, you know, Dan pounding
Speaker 3: that table. I want an irate Justin Herbert. I got
Speaker 3: a good quote from him, I got a good one.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's I'm sure it's anything other than miltest.
Speaker 1: Here we are, finally, we're after what a game he had.
Speaker 1: It was a hard fought win, certainly not the way
Speaker 1: we drew it up. Let's take a break and we
Speaker 1: welcome in Nick Chuck. All right, we're back and it's
Speaker 1: time for.
Speaker 3: The Sunday Try, presented by the first ever Toyota Grand Highlander.
Speaker 14: Hit it baby out of the Huddland to the line,
Speaker 14: golf is gonna work out of the gun, Gibbs to
Speaker 14: his left, third and goal. Lions leading by ten, looking
Speaker 14: for more Golf takes, keeps it himself.
Speaker 5: Left side touched down.
Speaker 2: Detroit lyons I see you sixteen, I see you now.
Speaker 1: Just a little option there for Jared gofugh, oh my,
Speaker 1: nobody saw that comment.
Speaker 7: Sure that man and Jared he could put him up
Speaker 7: and down, and he made sure he put him up.
Speaker 1: And down into that in that school, Dan Miller and
Speaker 1: Lomas Brown with the call wx quy t he could
Speaker 1: put him up and he could put him down. We
Speaker 1: sure know that.
Speaker 3: Love Jared Goff. I love Jared Goff's career. What a
Speaker 3: nice little like Zoni's in right now. Lead in the
Speaker 3: Detroit Lines once more to a twenty to six victory
Speaker 3: over the Atlanta Falcons at Ford Field, the ie bounce
Speaker 3: back and formance for Detroit after an ugly week two
Speaker 3: uh lost to the Seattle Seahawks. Let's now welcome him
Speaker 3: in from Cleveland, Ohio or thereabouts, mister Beef himself, Nick Shook.
Speaker 15: Mister Beef is a new one, that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually I kind of thought I hit on something
Speaker 3: with Soda Popenske from Punch Out once part time.
Speaker 1: I'd run with mister Beef. That could take you places.
Speaker 13: Yeah, but pick him up and put him down, I
Speaker 13: think is in reference to his feet, Jared Goff can
Speaker 13: pick him up and put him down faster than Lomas
Speaker 13: Brown ever could.
Speaker 1: What you said, not known fleet to foot golf passer,
Speaker 1: a pocket passer, but.
Speaker 5: Not a lot of leap there when he tried to
Speaker 5: go into the stands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but faster than than Lomas Brown to your.
Speaker 16: Points, definitely hit the weight room's.
Speaker 1: Beefy anyways, Shook, Uh, it looks like the Lions. This
Speaker 1: is a nice little performance for them.
Speaker 3: It seems like after yeah, all the all the hype
Speaker 3: around the Chiefs win, crash back to earth and now
Speaker 3: we're back to just bite knee caps off.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I got to give credit to the Lions fans who
Speaker 13: did not let last week's loss deter them from showing
Speaker 13: up at Ford Field and making it another raucous environment,
Speaker 13: almost collegiate and how passionate these fans have.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I don't know about the blue masks.
Speaker 1: That's going to make that two I mean season. Yeah
Speaker 1: that was bad.
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of tough.
Speaker 13: But this was an interesting game because you know, so
Speaker 13: this is it was an intriguing matchup. The Falcons are
Speaker 13: two and oh what a surprise. Never thought Arthur Smith's
Speaker 13: team might be here, and they played like a two
Speaker 13: to zero team. In fact, they went to totoe with
Speaker 13: the Lions for most of this game. It's just that
Speaker 13: their offense never showed up. Statistically, it was similar. They
Speaker 13: were both four for fourteen on third down, they each
Speaker 13: had a turnover. Everything looked really similar, but the total
Speaker 13: yards was like double in favor of Detroit, which goes
Speaker 13: back to this Lions offense, which is humming for most
Speaker 13: of the game. Jared Goff in complete command of this offense,
Speaker 13: completely comfortable, knows how to execute, hitting a number of
Speaker 13: different targets. The run game miss David Montgomery, but they
Speaker 13: were still balanced enough to be able to move the
Speaker 13: ball down the field. They struggled to convert in the
Speaker 13: red zone, which is why that Reid option was so
Speaker 13: sweet for the people in Detroit, because you know he
Speaker 13: was saying I see you sixteen, Well sixteen was seeing
Speaker 13: ninety three ninety three within being Khalayis Campbell making a
Speaker 13: bad read on the read option there. It was satisfying
Speaker 13: for them after failing earlier on the goal line and
Speaker 13: really put this game away. I felt bad for the
Speaker 13: Falcons because I thought they played hard enough to be
Speaker 13: in this game. They just didn't get anything from the
Speaker 13: offensive side of the ball. Not so much that it
Speaker 13: was in Desmond Riders fault, It's just they never really
Speaker 13: put anything together to allow him to get into a rhythm.
Speaker 13: So good win for the Lions.
Speaker 15: What do you get back on.
Speaker 4: Track, I'm seeing the Falcons two point eight yards per play, abysmal.
Speaker 1: Lions doubled that.
Speaker 4: It's kind of a red flag, or it is a
Speaker 4: red flag, it's not kind of one that if you
Speaker 4: essentially are a team that can gather your defense and
Speaker 4: stop Atlanta on the ground and the previously mythologically unstoppable
Speaker 4: Bejean Robinson with thirty three yards today, nothing else from anyone,
Speaker 4: and then you're forced to take Desmond Radder and throw
Speaker 4: the ball thirty eight times like that's the that's a
Speaker 4: formula for disaster, and that's a that creates a lot
Speaker 4: of suspicion around a team that you know, we could go.
Speaker 1: I felt very hopeful about.
Speaker 3: I'm seeing the same thing shook at the Meadowlands, where
Speaker 3: there's a talented running back, but a quarterback that maybe
Speaker 3: hasn't earned the trust or the you know, the the
Speaker 3: opposing defense's respect.
Speaker 1: Are they just up on the line?
Speaker 10: Is this?
Speaker 1: Are they got stack boxes all day in this game? Yeah?
Speaker 13: I mean, Detroit deserves credit for getting after them and
Speaker 13: stuffing the run lanes. But it's also like Bijon didn't
Speaker 13: get a ton of opportunities. A strange approach really, And
Speaker 13: it also offers us kind of a look at the
Speaker 13: two sides of desn Ridder because last week, you know,
Speaker 13: they're playing Green Bay, and he authors this great comeback
Speaker 13: and he makes a number of throws where I'm like, wow,
Speaker 13: look at him.
Speaker 15: Maybe he is taking the next step forward.
Speaker 13: He just wasn't that guy this week, So why are
Speaker 13: you having him throw it thirty eight times when you're
Speaker 13: down ten points at most going into the fourth quarter.
Speaker 13: It just felt like a poor approach for a team
Speaker 13: that was pounding on the ground so successfully. But it's
Speaker 13: hard to pound on the ground when you're averaging three
Speaker 13: point three yards to carry with your lead back.
Speaker 15: So just a tough day for them offensively.
Speaker 13: Probably something where they can look back and say, we
Speaker 13: should have done this, that and the other at different
Speaker 13: times in these situations.
Speaker 15: Should have approached it differently and they'll be better for it.
Speaker 3: Not everyone agrees, but are there Smith believes on ridd
Speaker 3: because we're seeing it now a week after week he's
Speaker 3: letting him throw the ball.
Speaker 5: I mean, he he's becoming a problem, But I I
Speaker 5: am looking forward to watching this. But seeing Laporte to
Speaker 5: go eight for eighty four, Yeah, it's yet another week
Speaker 5: where it's like, hey, tight ends, rookie tight ends. They'd
Speaker 5: ever matter except for Sam freaking Laporta week after week
Speaker 5: he's six past eight catches.
Speaker 3: Sam Laporta, here's a stat for you. He's eighteen catches,
Speaker 3: the most by an NFL tight end through three games.
Speaker 1: Keith Jackson for the Eagles at eighty eight.
Speaker 3: Three time All Pro previously had the record with seventeen.
Speaker 3: So he's off to a good start.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 13: He forty five of those yards came on one catch,
Speaker 13: his first career touchdown pass, which I really enjoyed because
Speaker 13: he scored in the broadcast, goes get that one for
Speaker 13: the mantle, and just as he says that, Laporta trots
Speaker 13: over the sideline and just drops the ball to Allo
Speaker 13: picks it up. But you know what I love about
Speaker 13: this Lions team, Guys, you know how we spent so
Speaker 13: much time in the off season people were arguing about
Speaker 13: positional value. You overpicked a lot of these guys in
Speaker 13: the first two rounds. Terrible moves by Brad Holmes. All
Speaker 13: those guys are making a difference. Brian Branch is making
Speaker 13: a difference. Jack Campbell first career sack today, Sam Laporta
Speaker 13: first career touchdown. Even Jamiir Gabbs, he's not a lead back,
Speaker 13: but he's doing all right.
Speaker 15: This is a good group.
Speaker 13: You got to start to trust this front office. I
Speaker 13: liked all their picks and I'd like to see them producing.
Speaker 3: So far, the whole team feels like and I mean organization,
Speaker 3: feels like they're in sync right now.
Speaker 1: And they had it.
Speaker 5: They're missing about eight starters today. They lost a couple
Speaker 5: offensive linemen during the game. They've been tough to withstand that.
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Speaker 3: All right, chook, let's talk about your Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: Hit it second and fifteen.
Speaker 7: Watson under center with Ford in the backfield, fake handoffs down.
Speaker 17: The middle, Chris Cooper wide up and pour touchdown, and
Speaker 17: Coop finally has that score with DeShawn Watson.
Speaker 3: Chris Rose with the callur Buddy Sunday Nights here at
Speaker 3: the NFL Network, filling in for Jim Donovan, the longtime
Speaker 3: voice of the Browns, who is fighting a serious illness.
Speaker 3: So best wishes to Jim Donovan and his family. Rose
Speaker 3: filling in and Deshaun Watson hits Amari Cooper the exclamation
Speaker 3: point on an easy win as the Brown steamroll the
Speaker 3: Titans twenty seven to three.
Speaker 1: Shooky.
Speaker 3: This is obviously a big win for Cleveland because you
Speaker 3: get a good Watson performance, you get another great defensive
Speaker 3: performance like Jim Schwartz's guys, and with Nick Chubb gone
Speaker 3: for the year, all of a sudden, it doesn't seem
Speaker 3: like everything is lost, because there's enough here for this
Speaker 3: team to keep moving forward and succeed.
Speaker 13: Yeah, there was a paul over the city on Tuesday
Speaker 13: after they lost Nick Chubb for the season. You know,
Speaker 13: he's a beloved player here and everybody was pretty heartbroken
Speaker 13: over the fact that they would have to proceed forward
Speaker 13: without him. But really because he just is such a
Speaker 13: great person to favorite, you know, son of Cleveland. So
Speaker 13: for them to bounce back in the fashion that they
Speaker 13: did on Sunday was really impressive because this is a
Speaker 13: team that that could have carried over that heartbreaking loss
Speaker 13: to Pittsburgh and the loss of Nick Chubb and just
Speaker 13: laid down against the Titans team that's stout up front,
Speaker 13: and they didn't. They prove that they were the better
Speaker 13: defense among these two. They dominated Tennessee's offense. Derrick Henry
Speaker 13: was a non factor twenty rushing yards on eleven carries,
Speaker 13: his second least amount of rushing yards in the game.
Speaker 13: The last time he did it also against the Browns,
Speaker 13: so apparently they've got his number for whatever reason. Ryan
Speaker 13: Tannehill was constantly under duress. Miles Garrett was a force
Speaker 13: three and a half sacks. The front looks fantastic. I'm
Speaker 13: ready to say at this point through three games, I
Speaker 13: am ready to say that the Browns have an elite defense,
Speaker 13: or at least an elite defensive front because of how
Speaker 13: well they get a push up front. I mean, they
Speaker 13: are just winning the battles up there, and it's helping
Speaker 13: them win games. Because they scored ten points in this game,
Speaker 13: and for a second I was like, that might be
Speaker 13: enough to win. I mean, that's how good they're playing defensively.
Speaker 13: Deshaun Watson had a good day, only six or six incompletions.
Speaker 13: It doesn't look as good as the stats did. I'll
Speaker 13: tell you that right now. When you go back and
Speaker 13: watch this game, you'll be like, he really had this
Speaker 13: game with how he played. But it was a step
Speaker 13: in the right direction and the rushing attack. They put
Speaker 13: it together well enough to replace Nick Chubb. It wasn't
Speaker 13: anything remarkable but they did the job. Resounding victory for
Speaker 13: a brown team that's going into a big one next
Speaker 13: week against the Ravens.
Speaker 4: They used a lot of people in the ground game,
Speaker 4: But I am with you that, like I'm trying to
Speaker 4: remember a post Bill Belichick Browns team because they their
Speaker 4: defense back then and we're talking the ninety early nineties remarkable,
Speaker 4: first or second best in the league. Ninety four yards
Speaker 4: you gave up today, Like that's essentially like competing against
Speaker 4: like a drunk toddler in Madden.
Speaker 1: This is like, wait, the toddler's been drinking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's that dysfunctional of a situation. If you beat
Speaker 4: someone down that hard.
Speaker 5: Oh, I always give my Butler's there's a way.
Speaker 1: Bigger issue going on here. There's video game outcome.
Speaker 4: Sure, but the ninety four yards still stands out as
Speaker 4: an achievement in that situation. But in this and to
Speaker 4: see it, this team doing this, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: finally Miles Garrett, who when he was the only guy
Speaker 4: there in that front seven, was still doing it. It's
Speaker 4: like you are surrounded not only by better talent than
Speaker 4: you've had in your entire career, but like Jim Schwartz.
Speaker 1: The vaunted Assistant Coach of the Year.
Speaker 4: Award is he is the clear front runner, right, he
Speaker 4: may be more head coach than Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 1: Mark, You're not even hiding it at it, No, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, this is stuff.
Speaker 4: I think if you're a Browns fan, right, if you're
Speaker 4: from Cleveland, like they always say, we're gonna play Browns football, Well,
Speaker 4: no one, what has that been for the last twenty
Speaker 4: five thirty years?
Speaker 1: Now? It was Nick Chubb that I agree with one
Speaker 1: hundred percent.
Speaker 4: But defense like this is like it's it lasts through
Speaker 4: any season, any part of the year, winter, cold, ice, rain,
Speaker 4: and it's like it's not going away.
Speaker 13: They have a great Yeah, mids Midwestern fans like to
Speaker 13: pride themselves on, oh it's cold weather football. It's gonna
Speaker 13: be smash mouth football, and the Browns have not been that,
Speaker 13: and they are that at least on one side of
Speaker 13: the ball right now. It's remarkable again to see a
Speaker 13: team transform overnight from one year to the next. With
Speaker 13: the defensive coordinator that's new and has received some additions
Speaker 13: in the off season that fits how he wants to go,
Speaker 13: you know, with a rotation up front and everything else
Speaker 13: and just works so well, and the secondary has benefited tremendously.
Speaker 13: Grant up but continues to have a great year. They
Speaker 13: didn't even have Greg news today and they were still
Speaker 13: locking it down on the outside.
Speaker 15: Just a really good performance.
Speaker 5: Well, when the Bengals had six first downs in Week one,
Speaker 5: I said that very well could be the most dominant
Speaker 5: defensive performance any team has all season. The Titans had
Speaker 5: six first downs in this game, didn't crack one hundred
Speaker 5: yard Shiocapatia the ringer at a good status success rate,
Speaker 5: which isn't like a perfect stat but the best three
Speaker 5: single game performances all season defensively. Number one Browns in
Speaker 5: Week one, Number two Browns in Week three, Number three
Speaker 5: Browns in Week two. I mean, that's outrageous. Wow, that's
Speaker 5: why the Toddlers are so drunk.
Speaker 1: Condone it, and it's a bigger play football.
Speaker 5: I don't, I don't condone it. I'm just saying, before
Speaker 5: you play Madden, if you get him drunk, you're probably
Speaker 5: gonna win.
Speaker 1: It's a great strategy from a certain if from.
Speaker 3: A cutthroat already got the authorities on the horn, Hey
Speaker 3: real quick before we say goodbye, because I'm curious, Watson
Speaker 3: his numbers are great.
Speaker 1: I think twenty eight of thirty three. What were you
Speaker 1: seeing were there? I know there was one insane, hideous
Speaker 1: play where he's falling backwards and threw the ball ten
Speaker 1: yards back was scooped up for like a sixteen yard loss.
Speaker 1: That was the viral moment.
Speaker 3: Anything else that jumped out to you, like, why weren't
Speaker 3: the numbers matching up with the eye test for you?
Speaker 13: Yeah, that was very Jamis Winston of him. I think
Speaker 13: his internal clock is still not quite at the speed
Speaker 13: it needs to be at. He's still just slightly slow,
Speaker 13: but he is starting to speed up a little bit.
Speaker 13: Watching him in the pocket, he always makes you a
Speaker 13: little nervous, just because you're like, all right, deliver, get
Speaker 13: to the next spot in your progression. Just not quite there,
Speaker 13: but he's finding way to make it work. And especially
Speaker 13: on the run, he was pretty good at getting out
Speaker 13: of the pocket and finding guys downfield. And it just
Speaker 13: seems so effortless in the second half of them, I mean,
Speaker 13: they were just completing passes. Tennessee gave him a few
Speaker 13: breaks with penalties. So you're gonna look back at this
Speaker 13: and say, that doesn't look like a near three hundred
Speaker 13: yard performance, but he also got robbed of what should
Speaker 13: have been a touchdown pass to Amari Cooper because he
Speaker 13: caught the ball in the sideline. He was a foot
Speaker 13: inbounds and was ruled out of boundary. Well that was absurd,
Speaker 13: shy of the end zone, So you know, give or take,
Speaker 13: that was absurd.
Speaker 4: Oh, because I was watching exactly on Habits like this
Speaker 4: is it's just like an officiating breakdown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Titans are a good It's so funny.
Speaker 4: It was like welcome back, that's all that was, like,
Speaker 4: we should not have those officiating gaps.
Speaker 1: Should not be happening to any of the thirty two teams.
Speaker 1: So you're the.
Speaker 5: Chargers, Like if the Chargers had lost this week, maybe
Speaker 5: the number one reason why Brandon Staley should be in
Speaker 5: trouble is look at what the Titans have done when
Speaker 5: they haven't played the Chargers. They've gotten about one hundred
Speaker 5: yards a game. I haven't scored a deck.
Speaker 1: Point by you, shookey.
Speaker 3: Always a pleasure, get some good pumps in, spend some
Speaker 3: great time with your fiance.
Speaker 15: Yeah, she's in California for three months, so I'm here
Speaker 15: by myself.
Speaker 5: But but you've been flying out there you know, yeah.
Speaker 15: Yeah, we'll have another trip planned yourself.
Speaker 1: All that rage pumping he's doing with the with the
Speaker 1: girl out in California, you know what I mean in
Speaker 1: the gym, in the gym, all right, Chuck, bye bye,
Speaker 1: buddy crazy until next week.
Speaker 15: Let's see you guys.
Speaker 1: Rage pumping.
Speaker 3: I am rage pumping because we're heading over to the
Speaker 3: Swampson Jersey.
Speaker 7: You have the final play this game for the coming
Speaker 7: one second left Ballby snapped on the forty six bar hashmark.
Speaker 7: Three receivers wide the right wand of the left for
Speaker 7: the Patriots, and I mean deep at the five. I'm
Speaker 7: sure the pulls up, steps up, steps up. He lost
Speaker 7: a high throat towards the end zone. That ball will
Speaker 7: come down in the crowd.
Speaker 1: It's better way nearly cut by coming and go line.
Speaker 2: It's in complaint and the Patriots winning.
Speaker 1: My god, hey, at least by Wilson man two yards
Speaker 1: deep and allows for the deflection and the potential catch.
Speaker 1: And boy did they almost get it.
Speaker 18: It's city, New York City.
Speaker 1: I'm so cheez, got so leg city. Carlson wb Z.
Speaker 3: Mac Jones threw a touchdown past the Pharaoh Brown, who
Speaker 3: I don't know tight end Matt Schudon had a late
Speaker 3: safety and a desperation hail Mary heave by Zach Wilson
Speaker 3: just missed the hands of Randall Cobb. The Patriots extend
Speaker 3: their winning streak over the Jets of fifteen games with
Speaker 3: a grizzly fifteen to ten win on a rainy Sunday
Speaker 3: at the Metal Ends. It's it's interesting, Gregy, how it's
Speaker 3: different now, Like fifteen games is fifteen games I think
Speaker 3: twenty one out of twenty three. But it used to
Speaker 3: be the Patriots with Brady would just outclass the Jets
Speaker 3: and kind of humble them and whatever. You would think
Speaker 3: they were ready to reach higher, you just knock them
Speaker 3: down with some like twenty five thirty.
Speaker 1: Five point loss in the solid era.
Speaker 3: It's now competitive, but it is the Patriots that always
Speaker 3: make kind of one more play, and you're seeing these
Speaker 3: games are kind of more the norm.
Speaker 1: So fifteen to ten and you know, here's this is
Speaker 1: what we thought was gonna happen.
Speaker 3: And then when I saw it was gonna be a
Speaker 3: weather game, it was like first thing I did, for instance,
Speaker 3: I get Garrett Wilson out of my fantasy lineup. You
Speaker 3: knew it was gonna be bad, but I thought even
Speaker 3: by Zach Wilson's standards, it was worse than usual. And
Speaker 3: you saw two notable people turn on Zach Wilson in
Speaker 3: real time in this game. Once Tony Romo, who has
Speaker 3: always been mostly supportive of Wilson, but repeatedly called out
Speaker 3: when the line wasn't breaking down around Wilson, just not
Speaker 3: seeing it, just like we've been talking about with justin
Speaker 3: fields where they freeze it. There's Garrett Wilson crossing over
Speaker 3: the middle, but he waits an extra two beats and
Speaker 3: by the time he reacts, he's either getting thrown down
Speaker 3: to the ground or he's throwing the ball Garret Wilson
Speaker 3: in the flat for a two yard loss or an incompletion.
Speaker 1: And you just saw that over and over again.
Speaker 3: So the Jets who sent Dwayne Brown to IR and
Speaker 3: kick McKay Beckton over to the left tackle and shift
Speaker 3: to two other guys around too, move Vera Tucker to
Speaker 3: right tackle to musical chairs, and I thought it was
Speaker 3: very notable, Gregy that this game, where the Jets, especially
Speaker 3: in the second half, really tightened up on defense, gave
Speaker 3: that offense two chances to either tie or win the
Speaker 3: game late, and that's not even counting the possession with
Speaker 3: the hell Mary and on the mat Judon sack. That
Speaker 3: really was the game. It was Judon beating McKay Beckton
Speaker 3: a lottery pick from Joe Douglas and then sacking Zach
Speaker 3: Wilson another high miss from Joe Douglas and I'm just
Speaker 3: starting to as a Jet fan, this is the week
Speaker 3: for me. And maybe it's the Patriots that add a
Speaker 3: little bit more gravitas to things and make it just
Speaker 3: more dramatic where I'm just starting to lose a little
Speaker 3: bit of faith in the operation when you hear this
Speaker 3: from Robert Saw after the game talking about Zach Wilson
Speaker 3: and whether he'll continue to be their starter.
Speaker 16: Right now, Zach is the best player in the m
Speaker 16: He's who gives us the best chance to win. Well,
Speaker 16: you know, so that's basically that that would be the
Speaker 16: cleanest answer I could give you.
Speaker 3: See, I had not actually heard that I read this quote.
Speaker 3: Here's my question to you, Greg, is that Sala subtly
Speaker 3: letting everyone know that Tim Boyle, with no real experience
Speaker 3: and not a guy that I believe in, is my
Speaker 3: only other option and my GM won't take the l
Speaker 3: on this guy and bring someone else in. Or is
Speaker 3: Sala's head in the sand and not willing to give
Speaker 3: up on Zach Wilson, who clearly is not gonna do
Speaker 3: it at this level.
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's in between, because I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 5: give Sally the benefit of the doubt that him and
Speaker 5: Douglas both believed in Wilson throughout this offseason. I don't
Speaker 5: think they were faking that. I think it's Robert Salas
Speaker 5: searching for the perfect words that he can couch what
Speaker 5: he wants to say, which is that, yeah, he's the
Speaker 5: best option have. It's not about Joe Douglas, but I
Speaker 5: think he's would be very open to having another option.
Speaker 5: Like I don't doubt that Wilson is maybe better than
Speaker 5: Tim Boyle, although who knows. But I would say that
Speaker 5: he needs another option, And I think he's couching. He's
Speaker 5: trying to say it in a way that like is
Speaker 5: leaving that open. He's not trying to be too encouraging
Speaker 5: in that spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I mean I think number one this was sort of
Speaker 4: this has become a perfect storm of problems for the offense,
Speaker 4: like you're going up against a Bill Belichick run team
Speaker 4: that has beaten down Zach Wilson. The Jets in general,
Speaker 4: they've lost fifteen straight games to the Patriots that haven't
Speaker 4: scored more than seventeen points.
Speaker 1: Only once they even scored seventeen.
Speaker 4: So it's a particular matchup inside your division that no
Speaker 4: matter who's been in there, it's unsuccessful the offense. I
Speaker 4: was coming into work today and seeing the offensive line
Speaker 4: changes that they were gonna go to. It's like, I
Speaker 4: hate that in this particular matchup against the Patriots, Like
Speaker 4: if you even said we're gonna lose Dwayne Brown, we'll
Speaker 4: find when we to plug one person in and keep
Speaker 4: the rest of it consistent. It wasn't a great line
Speaker 4: before that, but then it's like we've all had that
Speaker 4: experience when you're I can think of this happened at
Speaker 4: a work summit a couple of years ago, where someone
Speaker 4: gets up to deliver a speech, good person, you're rooting
Speaker 4: for them, and they they go completely dark. They can't
Speaker 4: do it, and they're stumbling in front of two to
Speaker 4: three hundred people in this case as a whole nation.
Speaker 4: That's how I feel watching Zach Wilson it's like, I'm
Speaker 4: not rooting against him, I'm rooting for the Jets after
Speaker 4: hard knocks, I'm rooting for these Jets fans in general.
Speaker 4: It's like Zach Wilson is the perfect problem that if
Speaker 4: you removed and replaced him with almost and I would
Speaker 4: give I give Boil a shot, Like I don't know
Speaker 4: what they're doing. I just like there seems to be this.
Speaker 4: We can all see it. And then you get Sala
Speaker 4: having to say that there's a blind spot, and it's
Speaker 4: so frustrating. It's like, you can find another quarterback, You've
Speaker 4: got a great defense and a good roster, and you
Speaker 4: sit on the precipice of dividing this locker room and
Speaker 4: cracking it.
Speaker 1: Like an egg.
Speaker 3: And the Boobirds reached the metal ends at fourteen oh
Speaker 3: two to play in the second quarter. That is only
Speaker 3: going to inten fi and last year, this isn't a projection,
Speaker 3: this is we already saw it happen with the exact
Speaker 3: same corps roster and the exact same quarterback. There was
Speaker 3: a revolt within that locker room that forced Robert Solid
Speaker 3: to turn to Mike White. But there's no Mike White. Now,
Speaker 3: there's no Joe Flacco.
Speaker 5: Now there could be Josh Johnson, for instance, who was
Speaker 5: on that team.
Speaker 1: It's overdue. It's overdue.
Speaker 3: I just think, and I said this throughout the summer,
Speaker 3: that it was never comfortable with Wilson is number two.
Speaker 3: And I think we're now three weeks after the events
Speaker 3: of Monday Night Football with Aaron Rodgers. The fact that
Speaker 3: the only thing they've done is checking to see if
Speaker 3: Chad Henny wanted to come out of retirement is indefensible.
Speaker 3: And the fact that Jet fans are furious right now
Speaker 3: because we're sick of watching the same thing with with
Speaker 3: Wilson and seeing him flame out. They had, like I said,
Speaker 3: two possessions once they they had one drive, an eighty
Speaker 3: six yard touchdown driving the fourth quarter to make this
Speaker 3: game to pull within three. They had two possessions after
Speaker 3: that where they could have either tied or won the game,
Speaker 3: and both times Wilson cratered. And I'm just I think
Speaker 3: Jets fans are sick of hearing because we've been dealing
Speaker 3: with for two years now, two and a half years
Speaker 3: are going on now of knowing this guy isn't the guy,
Speaker 3: So why can't the organization see that? And the thing
Speaker 3: that gets me mad. And the first time I've ever
Speaker 3: had doubts about Joe Douglas is because it's his guy.
Speaker 3: And I've talked to people that know Douglas that was
Speaker 3: his pick, his baby, and I think there's a bit
Speaker 3: of stubbornness here of them not willing to take the
Speaker 3: L that is haunting this team. And it sounds like
Speaker 3: we're gonna run back Zack Wilson against the Chiefs on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Night and in New York.
Speaker 5: I hate.
Speaker 1: I don't like that such Oh.
Speaker 3: Just imagine, and the Rogers injury continues to compound. I
Speaker 3: knew it was gonna be miserable, but as the weeks pass.
Speaker 3: Week one ruined by Rogers, Week two trip to Dallas
Speaker 3: ruined because now Rogers isn't there. Week three, Pat's revenge,
Speaker 3: week ruined because Zack Wilson is the quarterback again. Week four,
Speaker 3: our return to Sunday night football for the first time
Speaker 3: in over a decade run because we're gonna face Pat
Speaker 3: Mahomes with damn Zach Wilson as QB, and nobody's taking
Speaker 3: them out of the game because nobody wants to take
Speaker 3: the L.
Speaker 1: Take the L. Joe Douglass.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, wait, like we just talked about the
Speaker 4: praise the Browns get for holding the Titans to one
Speaker 4: hundred hundred yards in the game. They had ten yards
Speaker 4: passing the Jets in the first half. This is a
Speaker 4: great Patriots defense. It's very good, Like we saw that
Speaker 4: against the Dolphins. They're very competent, especially against this opponent,
Speaker 4: but every opponent is going to look competent against Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4: It's like this is going to explode on Monday night,
Speaker 4: on Sunday Night football. It is going to explode Sunday night.
Speaker 5: I mean, the Patriots defense is good, but they also
Speaker 5: were missing three of their top four corner wrecks, Jack Jones,
Speaker 5: Marcus Jones, and Jonathan Jones. They hit the Jones trifecta.
Speaker 5: Their offensive line is a total mess. And this game
Speaker 5: shouldn't have been just you know, numbers wise, as close
Speaker 5: as it was. At one point it was two hundred
Speaker 5: and six, at halftime was two hundred and sixty yards
Speaker 5: to thirty nine. At what point it was one hundred
Speaker 5: and eighty to six. So the Patriots started miss moving
Speaker 5: the ball and in very twenty twenty three and really
Speaker 5: post Brady Patriots. They're a sloppy, kind of undisciplined team
Speaker 5: who makes a lot of mistakes, and right now they're
Speaker 5: not very good on the offensive line, but they were
Speaker 5: allowing the Jets to stay in the game. And the
Speaker 5: Jets defense is so good. They're making plays in big spots,
Speaker 5: and that Zach Wilson just keeps getting chance after a
Speaker 5: chance like this shouldn't have even been a position where
Speaker 5: he has a chance to go to for a hail
Speaker 5: Maryriorg some pat stuff.
Speaker 3: I think Christian Gonzalez, he's announcing himself as a study.
Speaker 1: He shut down Tyreek Hill last week.
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson was rarely I mentioned he was opening some
Speaker 3: crossing patterns and the quarterback was late, but he was
Speaker 3: covered very well by Christian Gonzales in this game.
Speaker 1: Also, Zeke Elliott getting a lot of work in this game.
Speaker 3: Romandra Stevenson hasn't done a lot in the first three weeks,
Speaker 3: and now Zeke kind of split carries with him in
Speaker 3: this game. I don't know if maybe Stevenson was banged up.
Speaker 3: We have to see what that potentially means. And this
Speaker 3: is also now the third straight week and we talked
Speaker 3: about him earlier this week, and I just want to
Speaker 3: see more Damil Cook not making anybody miss. But Resall's
Speaker 3: not make anybody mess either right now because the offensive
Speaker 3: line is such a mess. But uh yeah, I'm starting
Speaker 3: to have my doubts about the brain trust. And I
Speaker 3: just don't know if Sala is also hypnotized by this
Speaker 3: idea of Zach Wilson being salvaged or he's trapped on
Speaker 3: the ship as well.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's a defensive guy, got to be
Speaker 1: going crazy. I think he's trapped either way. It's a
Speaker 1: very tough situation. All right, let us move on.
Speaker 3: We were talking up, we were talking up the commanders
Speaker 3: as a potential team of ATM well with a caveat
Speaker 3: with a caveat.
Speaker 1: Wanted to see how this went. Wanted to see how
Speaker 1: this went. He didn't go well, This didn't go well,
Speaker 1: not at all. Spoiler not great, Bob.
Speaker 19: Two receivers to the right too, to the left, howling
Speaker 19: the shotgun Gibson next to him in the backfield. Here's
Speaker 19: the snap five step drop rolling to his left, gonna
Speaker 19: step up in the pocket and it's.
Speaker 1: Picked off lockers.
Speaker 3: It brought to the five talks down Buffalo, Hey J
Speaker 3: Appanessa with.
Speaker 1: The fifth takeaway of the day, and this one goes
Speaker 1: for a pick six.
Speaker 3: Whoa Chris Brown, a little Rick Claire w t Har
Speaker 3: Good job by you, yes, aj Epinenza, Is that how
Speaker 3: you say it? Eessa Epanessa with the pick six, one
Speaker 3: of four interceptions Sam Hell threw to Buffalo Bills defenders
Speaker 3: and the Bills.
Speaker 1: Eric Roberts behind the glass, Eric are.
Speaker 3: Feeling no pain. In these last two weeks thirty seven
Speaker 3: to three. They routed the previously undefeated Commanders. Mark Here's
Speaker 3: a quote from Michael High. It looks like I didn't
Speaker 3: even play today, all white jersey, not even dirty. The
Speaker 3: guys up front were getting after the quarterback.
Speaker 1: It was just awesome to see.
Speaker 4: Not even dirty on a day where it was pouring
Speaker 4: rain during for the game, not even muddy. It's like
Speaker 4: you didn't even touch the ground. Mike hyd A couple
Speaker 4: plays huge plays in this. It was you know, it's
Speaker 4: like Sam Howell's been frisky, fun to watch, and like,
Speaker 4: I think that's why we had the conversation we did
Speaker 4: about the Commanders.
Speaker 1: It's like there might be something, I mean, likely, conversation
Speaker 1: needs to be had. Likely or the floor is gonna
Speaker 1: fall out at some point when you're playing a Bills
Speaker 1: team that you know, we thought of they are.
Speaker 4: Is there too much pressure here? Are they have the
Speaker 4: Has the window closed a little bit too much? Are
Speaker 4: they not really the cream of the crop in the AFC.
Speaker 4: It's like and all we talk about is Josh Allen
Speaker 4: and the offense, and they were fine today.
Speaker 1: They were great. Stephan Diggs had a huge game.
Speaker 4: The defense, and it's the defense to me, is looking
Speaker 4: as good as it's ever looked under Sean McDermott. It
Speaker 4: is just absolutely generating total chaos. Five turnovers, nine sacks,
Speaker 4: You allowed three points, the commander's drive chart, interception punt downs, interception, interception,
Speaker 4: punt fumble, interception, punt field goal, wacky little field goal at.
Speaker 1: The end, you prevent the shutout. This was a dominant performance.
Speaker 4: Two weeks in a row, we've seen Josh Allen, I
Speaker 4: think re enter that world where he just looked completely
Speaker 4: in command, and you know, I think you just they
Speaker 4: broke They broke the commanders early. If I said to
Speaker 4: Greg and he didn't, you didn't know where this was
Speaker 4: in the game, but he hit Gabe Davis on a
Speaker 4: bomb early on where it was like there was probably
Speaker 4: five six of the game to still go.
Speaker 1: I said, game over and then then how Will?
Speaker 4: The Commanders started to climb back and like got deep
Speaker 4: into Bill's territory.
Speaker 1: That why did I say?
Speaker 5: That's a g It was technically a two score game
Speaker 5: entering the fourth quarter sixteen nothing, which is kind of wild.
Speaker 4: Then they just exploded. But like, how Will really? How
Speaker 4: really melted this game? He really melted, And it's like
Speaker 4: it was a systemic disaster.
Speaker 5: For why that doesn't surprise me, just because he just
Speaker 5: is a guy who's gonna try to keep making plays
Speaker 5: and like if it keeps getting worse, he's gonna keep trying.
Speaker 5: And sacks are a bit of a quarterback stat or
Speaker 5: they are a quarterbacks that nine sacks, like that's partly
Speaker 5: on him, But it is crazy when you just look
Speaker 5: fifteen quarterback hits for the Bills. That is a crooked number.
Speaker 5: And then over on the other side, young and sweaty
Speaker 5: one qb hit, no sacks. Almost a Golston in.
Speaker 1: Washington still trying to make Gholston the thing all these years.
Speaker 5: It is officially when you have no.
Speaker 3: One other person says Golston, then you know, maybe becomes
Speaker 3: a thing, but it's still just you.
Speaker 1: It's just but it's my thing. I know.
Speaker 4: It's like ir Boomerang hanging in that scene. No, that's
Speaker 4: is it different? I feel like that's that kind of heat.
Speaker 4: I think West and I created that literally a decade ago,
Speaker 4: and I've heard no one myself our show.
Speaker 5: But I think I started Holden and I'm not getting
Speaker 5: any royalties for that. I don't even talk about it.
Speaker 5: So do you think you're I think I started a
Speaker 5: mulligan essentially on Golston. It's never taken off because Holden's
Speaker 5: Golden is great.
Speaker 1: Holden has become the part of the life.
Speaker 5: If Golston wasn't a jet who the Patriots had tried
Speaker 5: to trade up for but they then they were snagged
Speaker 5: or whatever the Jets, you wouldn't have a problem with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But also, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think you have ever made it that name if
Speaker 3: he was If he was wasn't a jet, babe. Maybe,
Speaker 3: So it's just the masshole within you just pouring.
Speaker 5: I guess at this point it is time to let go.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna let me just say, I'm gonna promise, yes,
Speaker 5: Balston is dad. We're gonna think of a new guy.
Speaker 5: We're gonna think of a new name, and I'm gonna try.
Speaker 1: To make that someone's gotta be that bad though.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of mean to.
Speaker 3: Ron Paige, Jonathan Allen, mates, sweat, Chase Young, Everything's gonna
Speaker 3: kind of roll through them if if Washington's actually gonna
Speaker 3: have a chance the season to go to the playoffs. Uh,
Speaker 3: no sacks and thirty two past attempts by Josh Allen
Speaker 3: and like you said, uh, it's it's a QB stat
Speaker 3: as well. And Josh Allen again after a miserable Week
Speaker 3: one in primetime, has bounced back with two very good games.
Speaker 1: I really also think that like James Cook.
Speaker 4: Uh, we talked about his brother Dalvin, but James Cook
Speaker 4: makes a real difference in this offense. They've never really
Speaker 4: had that consistent goal. And it's three games in a
Speaker 4: row where he looks uh superb.
Speaker 1: All Right, Bill's roll. Let's move to Embo field where
Speaker 1: the Packers we're looking to make magic.
Speaker 2: They did line of scrimmage, twenty eight yard line of
Speaker 2: Green Bay. Man, he's gonna want it spotted down to
Speaker 2: the thirty six yard line. Left hash forty six yard field,
Speaker 2: go to ten Zach Wood, I'm a snap Lou Headley down.
Speaker 1: On one knee. Do I trust a guy named Blake?
Speaker 1: Groupie Blake not a good name, not a ton to
Speaker 1: get New Orleans of the lead. Here's the snap placement.
Speaker 1: Kick is up end over ran, It is no good
Speaker 1: good under is your dagger?
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Julilation here at Green Bay, come on,
Speaker 3: big funk celebrate baby behind the glass.
Speaker 1: Seconds ago, New Orleans has one time out left. What
Speaker 1: a fourth quarter by the Green Bay Packers? Wow? Hello, Hey?
Speaker 1: Can I get Big Funks music for this?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 3: I think I love that Randy Chavez real deal Packers,
Speaker 3: Oh for sure, So let's give it to him. Play
Speaker 3: Groupie forty six yards wide right with one o five
Speaker 3: to play, and Jordan love rallies the Packers from a
Speaker 3: seventeen point fourth quarter deficit. What to an eighteen to
Speaker 3: seventeen win? A big what week?
Speaker 1: Sorry?
Speaker 3: I think the podcast title what Slammer question marks slammer
Speaker 3: week three week cap.
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's that's the other word of
Speaker 1: the day. We're heading in playoffs territory.
Speaker 3: This game could not have started worse for the Packers,
Speaker 3: who were shut out through through three quarters. And then
Speaker 3: four minutes into the fourth quarter, and then they score
Speaker 3: eighteen points in the final eleventh minute to win their
Speaker 3: eleventh consecutive home opener, and big Funk knowses they played
Speaker 3: like hot garbage for three quarter. They were penalized like mad,
Speaker 3: They repeatedly failed on fourth downs. Jordan Love had a
Speaker 3: terrible interception early in the third quarter, and it just
Speaker 3: felt like this was not only going to be a
Speaker 3: loss for the Packers, but like one of those games
Speaker 3: where you're starting to think, ooh, is this maybe gonna
Speaker 3: be a long season for Green Bay? Missing again, Christian Watson,
Speaker 3: Aaron Jones, who actually worked out on the field before
Speaker 3: the game, but then was a scratch, Missing multiple players,
Speaker 3: key players.
Speaker 1: Actiari was out again.
Speaker 3: Baktari out once again, even though he's playing on grass
Speaker 3: not today. Everything changed, Everything changed in this game when
Speaker 3: Derek Carr gets slammed to the turf shoulder first, and
Speaker 3: you knew as soon as he hit the turf the way,
Speaker 3: you know, that's those certain type of hits a quarterback
Speaker 3: gets where he gets grabbed in the pocket and then
Speaker 3: whipped down to the ground and landed right on his shoulder,
Speaker 3: And sure enough, Ian Rappaport's reporting after the game, he
Speaker 3: left the game, He goes to the tent, then goes
Speaker 3: back and we don't see him again. And according to
Speaker 3: rap Sheet, he seems to avoided a more serious injury
Speaker 3: than originally expect expected. According to rap Sheet, but he
Speaker 3: could miss some time, but potentially weeks. When he plays
Speaker 3: will be determined by the swelling and how he gains mobility.
Speaker 3: When they're saying things like we think he'll be back
Speaker 3: this year, buckle up because it's Jameis Winston. Time Winston,
Speaker 3: they go three and out three times in a row
Speaker 3: before he takes them into field goal range, and then
Speaker 3: the kicker doesn't help them out. So you have Winston,
Speaker 3: who's at least an experience back up here. But everything
Speaker 3: kind of fell apart here for the Saints. The defense,
Speaker 3: which had been so good really for the first three
Speaker 3: weeks and again three quarters, all of a sudden he
Speaker 3: couldn't stop a nosebleed and the offense was not able
Speaker 3: to get those the last three points there that would
Speaker 3: have saved a disaster.
Speaker 5: Could not be a more disappointing loss if you're a
Speaker 5: Saints fan. Because of what you said, I think there
Speaker 5: was a feeling and there's a belief that this could
Speaker 5: be a special Saints defense. And as much as it's
Speaker 5: terrible to lose car in the fourth quarter, you give
Speaker 5: up an eighty two yard drive, but then you stop
Speaker 5: him on fourth down and you think, Okay, that's probably
Speaker 5: gonna end the game. Then you give up a field
Speaker 5: goal drive, you give up a touchdown on a short
Speaker 5: field after a turnover, and then you give up the
Speaker 5: eighty yard touchdown drive. So there's something about this Jordan
Speaker 5: Love group that they're winning games without Watson and Jones
Speaker 5: and Baktiari and they're making comebacks. I mean, I think
Speaker 5: a team can get a personality. And I know they
Speaker 5: gave up the big lead a week ago, but I
Speaker 5: do think a team can get a personality when they
Speaker 5: start having games like this early in the season and
Speaker 5: believing that they can win any type of game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, I think I think it if they're like again,
Speaker 4: if there's a benefit to having some of these guys out.
Speaker 4: It's like the Jayden Reids of the world, the Romeo Dobs,
Speaker 4: Like they're developing and growing and you kind of see
Speaker 4: this Offen screing together. One thing is like the Aaron Jones.
Speaker 4: Thing I think is steiny them two weeks in a row.
Speaker 4: He was so explosive when he was on the field.
Speaker 4: It's like they have if you take thirty nine yards
Speaker 4: away from Jordan Love and that's a big part of
Speaker 4: his game. And I love that about Jordan Love. Like
Speaker 4: him on the ground has been a factor. But they're
Speaker 4: a mess on the ground otherwise and that does not
Speaker 4: work for this offense.
Speaker 1: And it's time. I mean, the Packers came very close
Speaker 1: to get into three and oh here and they've survived.
Speaker 1: I mean this game, like I said, I mentioned Watson,
Speaker 1: we mentioned back to our, I mentioned Jones. Also without
Speaker 1: JayR Alexander, Elton Jenkins on the line.
Speaker 5: This is crazy that they just saw their best players
Speaker 5: other than Rashan Gary, who had three sacks. I saw
Speaker 5: in four quarterback hits. He's a great ball player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they they have to get healthy and it's like,
Speaker 3: do they have the week five by That would be tremendous.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they do, but this is a
Speaker 3: loss that that will will haunt them potentially, because you
Speaker 3: know this is the type of game potential playoff ramifications
Speaker 3: down the line. Two teams can't let this one get away.
Speaker 5: I kind of like it though, just because I feel
Speaker 5: like I like both of these teams. Being two and one,
Speaker 5: Saints didn't totally feel like a three and zho team.
Speaker 3: And now the Saints are going to get Allen Kamara
Speaker 3: back next week and hopefully the Packers get their dudes.
Speaker 4: Man Green Bay plays also the thirs night against Detroit,
Speaker 4: so it's at a break.
Speaker 1: Another great week by the way for Chris Alave greg.
Speaker 5: One O four Offensive Player of the Year. He's so smooth, it's.
Speaker 3: On track booth so good and uh, you know, Michael
Speaker 3: Thomas again, he's staying on the field. So far, so
Speaker 3: good as a nice second banana, but a labbe is
Speaker 3: the dude on this offense?
Speaker 5: How much for trading Jamis? By the way, I guess
Speaker 5: you need Jamis? Yeah, I think you need him to
Speaker 5: do better.
Speaker 1: Well also, yeah, you might find out you don't want
Speaker 1: to trade bricks for everybody.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a break and we'll continue on.
Speaker 3: All right, we're back Texans Jaguars. Easy dub for Jacks, right.
Speaker 1: Right, Brandon McManus.
Speaker 4: We'll kick off from left to right with Mike Boone
Speaker 4: back deep one yard deep at the end zone.
Speaker 1: Last time he let it bounce, and this is going
Speaker 1: to be inside the ten.
Speaker 5: Don't get in the way.
Speaker 1: Full up Beck, Beck still going. Beck has some He's
Speaker 1: going to turn the corner. He's at the fifty's the
Speaker 1: Jackson Bill bet thirty. That's what the fifteen ten five?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? Rock and roll touchdown was instead? My god,
Speaker 1: what what?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 11: What?
Speaker 1: I love that these announcers have no idea. They're in
Speaker 1: a five minut booth. All of a sudden, the.
Speaker 14: Earth started shaking in North Florida and he ran on
Speaker 14: the right size into that crowd the end zone.
Speaker 1: The up back.
Speaker 3: Wow, Andrew Beck, the two hundred and fifty five pounds
Speaker 3: full back. He became the heaviest player. This is a
Speaker 3: great stat from the AP. The heaviest player in NFL
Speaker 3: history to return to kickoff for a touchdown.
Speaker 5: That is a great stat.
Speaker 1: Here's pretty fine. I does want to find that out.
Speaker 5: He's pretty fast.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you one other quick stat like, yes,
Speaker 4: he's the first full back, yes, since twenty sixteen, to
Speaker 4: reach the vaunted twenty miles per hour mark, not twenty one,
Speaker 4: but twenty though he had twenty full back first time.
Speaker 1: It's a job. It's a good job. I Beck.
Speaker 5: He also did a bad joy I'm stealing the kickoff
Speaker 5: from the kickoff guy and then.
Speaker 1: Fumbled it like he ran right in front of him.
Speaker 3: Like, honestly, I know he's not the intended kickoff guy,
Speaker 3: but after he does that, you might want to give.
Speaker 1: Him an extra I'll try him out again anyway. Thirty
Speaker 1: seven to seventeen. This is a weird week. The Texans
Speaker 1: pound the Jaguars in Jacksonville. Weird wild stuff. Greg what, Yes,
Speaker 1: I can't do that. That sound but anymore? Mark vander
Speaker 1: what what?
Speaker 5: Mark marks Head's gotta exploded. I've only said it naturally
Speaker 5: in this show. I'm not asking for it a lot
Speaker 5: of what. I almost feel bad that we didn't give C. J.
Speaker 5: Stroud in Tank Dell the highlight just because Andy Beck
Speaker 5: needs it, though yeah he needed it. But Stroud was
Speaker 5: the big takeaway yet again. Four starting offensive lineman out
Speaker 5: Larry Mutunsel didn't return, and Stroud was under pressure in
Speaker 5: this game, and yet he didn't take a single sack.
Speaker 5: Sex are quarterbacks that he was making great reads and look,
Speaker 5: the throw to Dell that really put this game away
Speaker 5: was a sixty eight yard touchdown pass blown coverage. We've
Speaker 5: seen too much of that from the Jaguars. Stroud's shown
Speaker 5: he can deliver in that spot. But the bigger play
Speaker 5: to me to Dell was early in this game. It
Speaker 5: was a statement of intent forty six yards into tight
Speaker 5: coverage where Stroud makes the perfect read and that's just
Speaker 5: a professional throw. He had some out routes in this game.
Speaker 5: And I know it's just one game, but you just
Speaker 5: watch these two quarterbacks, and for this one game, c J.
Speaker 5: Stroud was definitely playing out playing Trevor Lawrence, who was
Speaker 5: a little afraid to go deep and wasn't always making
Speaker 5: the best decisions. And it wasn't like Trevor Lawrence was
Speaker 5: a disaster, but Stroud was making up for what was
Speaker 5: around him and Trevor Lawrence wasn't. And the Texans deserve
Speaker 5: to win.
Speaker 1: You can take that S two score and stick it
Speaker 1: where the sun does not exist. That's true. I forgot
Speaker 1: about that whole thing.
Speaker 5: I mean, he just looks like a guy we talked
Speaker 5: about the first three weeks like it doesn't matter what
Speaker 5: the rookie, it doesn't matter what you do if you
Speaker 5: have a good record quarterback. And now you're in Jacksonville
Speaker 5: by twenty points.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a troubling performance by the Jaguars. And
Speaker 3: you know, what did you see from Trevor Lawrence here?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm expecting him to take the leap this
Speaker 3: year and this doesn't seem to point took.
Speaker 1: It last year.
Speaker 5: I think he was just okay, and I think he's
Speaker 5: been okay for most of this season. The broadcast talked
Speaker 5: about him just not seeing the field because mostly he's
Speaker 5: just hitting short guys and they're punting. But it was
Speaker 5: also kind of one of those everything that could go
Speaker 5: wrong did go wrong in the first half. I just
Speaker 5: want to go through their first half stats. I mean
Speaker 5: their first half drive, Ridley dropped a dime from Lawrence
Speaker 5: that would have been a thirty yard touchdown, just beautiful throw.
Speaker 5: Redly just totally drops it. Drops another one by the
Speaker 5: way that would that kind of killed the drive. Later
Speaker 5: in that next drive, third down, Travis etn trips over
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence who kind of ran into him. That was
Speaker 5: kind of antee law but just a bizarre way. Next drive,
Speaker 5: blocked field goal by Will Anderson, who also made an
Speaker 5: impact on defense, but just a beautiful block where he
Speaker 5: just leapt up in the air. That's weird. Then a
Speaker 5: penalty on a fourth down conversion like a holding call,
Speaker 5: they end up having a punt, and then they fumbled
Speaker 5: away a catch. So I didn't come away thinking like, oh,
Speaker 5: the Jaguars offense is cooked. It was just kind of
Speaker 5: one of those weird games. The average gains in the
Speaker 5: offensive yardage was fairly close, and they just made a
Speaker 5: lot of boneheaded mistakes. But I am concerned about the
Speaker 5: Jags defense in general.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're giving up thirty seven points to an information
Speaker 4: offense that we thought might slow cook the entire season. Instead,
Speaker 4: there were very much in this AFC South race. If
Speaker 4: they're gonna play like this, I mean, and it makes
Speaker 4: like the Jaguars loss last week to Kansas City like
Speaker 4: all the more troubling because they came so close in
Speaker 4: that one. And now you're one and two and we
Speaker 4: assumed they'd be three and zero and just running away
Speaker 4: with this division.
Speaker 5: And the Texans are just finding players. To me, that's
Speaker 5: what the seedon's all about. Tanked Del nice slot receiver.
Speaker 5: He's not gonna go five for one to forty five often.
Speaker 5: But I think a nice rookie slot receiver Nico Collins
Speaker 5: exploded last week like they're they're finding players and instr.
Speaker 1: Did Will Anderson that field goal?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was. It was one of the best
Speaker 5: field ball blocks I've seen a long time because he
Speaker 5: just steamrolled the guy in front of him and his
Speaker 5: vertical leap was just outrageous.
Speaker 1: It was not on the kicker.
Speaker 5: It was actually the first miss kick or block kick
Speaker 5: of McManus's career. So it was I wasn't on the.
Speaker 3: Tough special teams day for Jess, very tough, very to.
Speaker 3: I mean, you gave up a freaking kickoff return for
Speaker 3: touchdown to a full back.
Speaker 5: And agnew, Oh that was on offense, but he is
Speaker 5: their kick returner lost the fumble, So it was it
Speaker 5: was just like an ugly, ugly game.
Speaker 3: Let's get out of the let's get out of the
Speaker 3: theater of the bizarre, and you know, no more upsets.
Speaker 1: Enough upsets.
Speaker 3: So the Ravens at home will take care of business
Speaker 3: and Bolts playing with their backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get this under control. So this again
Speaker 1: a yard field.
Speaker 11: Goal from Matt Gay. It's between the hash marks. Roads
Speaker 11: will snap it measuring the kick is Gay waiting on
Speaker 11: the long step there it is play spat.
Speaker 1: The kick is on its way, it has the distance,
Speaker 1: it's up. Oh my goodness, Oh my god, what a
Speaker 1: r mad gay stroking the fifty three yarder in ot
Speaker 1: in the house the Tucker Bill Is this the kicker corner? Oh,
Speaker 1: we are in the club, baby, and deep in the club. Gay.
Speaker 1: It's gay night in the Kicker club. Behind the velvet
Speaker 1: ropes popping bottles.
Speaker 4: By the way, also hit another fifty three yarder in
Speaker 4: a fifty four yarder in this game.
Speaker 1: And I thought justin Tucker was short on a box. Yes,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about why I think that happens. Mark, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Anthony richard and out with the concussion.
Speaker 3: We know Gardner Minshew is a very capable backup had
Speaker 3: the Ravens not take care of business at home here.
Speaker 4: Well, number oneing Shane Stiken is like turning out to
Speaker 4: be what we hoped and like Gardner Minshew was, I
Speaker 4: think in this situation not a major downgrain from Richardson.
Speaker 1: I think we kind of felt that way going in.
Speaker 1: He was very competent.
Speaker 4: The Ravens, though uncharacteristic to what Baltimore typically looks like,
Speaker 4: they had some weird stuff going in this game. So
Speaker 4: Gardner Minshew the one major error he made, he had
Speaker 4: like a dan Orlovsky esque safety where he stepped out
Speaker 4: of the back of the end zone tofee that made
Speaker 4: it nineteen to sixteen late in the game, okay, And
Speaker 4: so the Ravens get the ball back with two ZHO
Speaker 4: three left on the ensuing kickoff after the safety, and
Speaker 4: it's like, here's your chance. You're up by three, convert
Speaker 4: a first down or at least do what you can
Speaker 4: to give the Colts in bad weather no chance back.
Speaker 1: They have the ball for twenty two seconds. The Colts
Speaker 1: get the ball back.
Speaker 4: That's where you get Matt Gay's first fifty three or
Speaker 4: field goal that ties at nineteen nineteen. All right, but
Speaker 4: the Colts themselves did that so quickly that they left
Speaker 4: fifty seven seconds on the clock. A second problem I
Speaker 4: have here because Lamar Jackson opened up wonderfully five for five.
Speaker 4: You only had seven completions in the first half, like
Speaker 4: their offense was kind of hinky. And at one point,
Speaker 4: now you're on this drive and you need to get
Speaker 4: into Justin Tucker's amazing range for a field goal. And
Speaker 4: on let's see you here it was first and ten
Speaker 4: on the Baltimore forty nine with twenty three seconds remaining.
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson starts rolling out. There's a lot of Colts pressure.
Speaker 4: It's the third week in a row where the Colts
Speaker 4: defensive line's playing well.
Speaker 1: It's a clear place for you throw the ball away.
Speaker 1: You're not in a good situation.
Speaker 4: It's raining, and instead of it, Lamar, like, you know,
Speaker 4: assuming that he's got this escapability, which.
Speaker 1: He does, he doesn't escape. The Colts are all over him.
Speaker 4: He's being dragged to the ground and then at that
Speaker 4: point tries to whip the ball, flinging out of bounds,
Speaker 4: but it's ruled that his knee touches. So you're now
Speaker 4: sitting at third and twenty and he hits Nelson Aguila
Speaker 4: for eighteen yards. But then you're in this fourth and
Speaker 4: two position where had you been smarter, you might have
Speaker 4: gotten further up. That's why Justin Tucker is forced to
Speaker 4: try to hit a sixty one yarder.
Speaker 1: That is like a foot short.
Speaker 5: He made it, though he thought it looked announcer stuff.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 5: First he thought it was Tucker Knight, and then suddenly
Speaker 5: this guy who doesn't get a lot of credit. But oh,
Speaker 5: by the way, hit a ton of big time kicks
Speaker 5: to win the Super Bowl, gets the biggest contracted kicker history.
Speaker 1: And it's Matt Gay Knight. Hey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think it would have been justin Tucker
Speaker 4: Knight had they done a few things in the final
Speaker 4: two minutes of that game.
Speaker 5: There, he thought he made it, though he was disappointed it.
Speaker 1: It was right down the middle.
Speaker 4: They can't see if it went in or not if
Speaker 4: you're in front of it. But like, they are missing
Speaker 4: so many guys.
Speaker 1: I like, I don't know it. They didn't have Justice
Speaker 1: Hill or Gus Edwards at one point in this game.
Speaker 5: Their injury report was prepossibly Friday. It was seven starters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think like the ARLN Humphrey absence, Marcus Williams,
Speaker 4: Like that's where some of the big players came for
Speaker 4: the Colts. Pass I want to mention one wonder guy
Speaker 4: before I passed off, Like Kyle Hamilton three sacks in
Speaker 4: the first half. He tied the record for most sacks
Speaker 4: in the game by defensive back in NFL history. Was
Speaker 4: absolutely dominant tackles in the backfield. Batted passes created so
Speaker 4: many problems for the Colts. They have a potential star player.
Speaker 1: Hmm, annoying loss for the Ravens. You got to get
Speaker 1: the three?
Speaker 5: And oh here, how about the first place Colts three
Speaker 5: weeks into the season.
Speaker 3: All every week, fist every week this season. They've been
Speaker 3: interesting to watch and for the most part successful. In fact,
Speaker 3: the game they lost was the home game. They've won
Speaker 3: both their road contests in this in that AFC South.
Speaker 3: This Duck's gonna hunt.
Speaker 5: Pittman's a real player too. I think they've a slack
Speaker 5: guy in Downs. Pittman having a nice contract year.
Speaker 1: Let's hope Anthony Richardson's on the field next week.
Speaker 3: It's signs are pointing toward him clearing concussion protocol and
Speaker 3: you put him back on the line. But as much
Speaker 3: as I like Minshew, the team gets dangerous and Jonathan
Speaker 3: Taylor hypothetically returns.
Speaker 1: At some point. All right, let's keep moving. Uh all right?
Speaker 3: Seriously though, enough time to restore order. Chiefs against Bears.
Speaker 3: Wait a second, not just kidding.
Speaker 2: It was in blood blat the third down goal to
Speaker 2: go for the Chiefs with the three yard live Mahomes
Speaker 2: looking right back of.
Speaker 20: The U zone, cut touchdown Kansas City for the forty
Speaker 20: eight times finds Travis Kelcey nine yards deep in the
Speaker 20: end zone and the Chiefs lead forty to nothing, three
Speaker 20: touchdown passes.
Speaker 1: For Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what that felt strangely important because the
Speaker 3: game obviously is way out of hand.
Speaker 1: The Bears aren't even a real team right now.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Taylor Swift, Swift potentially the most famous woman
Speaker 3: on the planet right now, flying to Kansas City. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey, if you're boat racing a team the way
Speaker 3: the Chiefs are doing and you got te Swift up there,
Speaker 3: better get Kelsey a TD in this game. And I
Speaker 3: really think they were that last drive and Homes exited
Speaker 3: shortly after. He's like, we're Kelsey's scoring here and then
Speaker 3: we're done. Sure enough, Laye Gabert exit entered the game
Speaker 3: shortly thereafter, and the Chiefs coast to a ridiculously easy
Speaker 3: forty one to ten win over the Bears. Who again,
Speaker 3: we've covered a lot of bad teams on this show.
Speaker 3: We've covered teams that didn't win a game on this show.
Speaker 3: But and I know it's the Chiefs and that's important
Speaker 3: to point out, and the Chiefs that were hungry to
Speaker 3: get right after a frustrating start to the season. But
Speaker 3: the Bears just look like they're not even coached like
Speaker 3: the Bears. And I know their defensive coordinator just stepped
Speaker 3: away and he's no longer with the team, and ibra
Speaker 3: Flus has his hands filled trying to figure out how
Speaker 3: to get justin Field's going, which, by the way, they
Speaker 3: still haven't figured that out three weeks in.
Speaker 1: But there's just wide open prairie lands for these Chiefs receivers.
Speaker 1: And in fact, if Juwan Taylor, who got benched again
Speaker 1: by the way, their right tackle doesn't continually offside or
Speaker 1: an illegal procedure by being too far off the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, they would have scored another touchdown at the
Speaker 1: end of the half on a completely uncovered Chiefs receiver
Speaker 1: wandering into the end zone.
Speaker 3: That costs MBS a score. So the Chiefs make it
Speaker 3: easy look easy, and the Bears have never looked more lost.
Speaker 5: Well, I think you can put it like, yes, it's
Speaker 5: the Chiefs, but it's the twenty twenty three Chiefs who
Speaker 5: had struggled in back to back weeks against defenses who've
Speaker 5: had pretty bad days this season, you know, So you
Speaker 5: can't put it on iber Flus, he's a defensive coach,
Speaker 5: and his defensive coordinator left. There was some more reporting
Speaker 5: about that that was something that he did in the building.
Speaker 5: But they were dead last in every single possible defensive
Speaker 5: category since the day eber Flues took over in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty two, and they've put all their resources. There are
Speaker 5: a lot of resources in their draft hauls in defense,
Speaker 5: and so that being a failure is really reflected on Eber.
Speaker 4: I think they came in with an essentially on paper
Speaker 4: non existent pass rush. I'm with you, Dan, they stand out.
Speaker 4: It's it's the terrible week they had off the field too,
Speaker 4: you know. I think on top of everything else that
Speaker 4: we've talked about, you know that thieves robbers broke into
Speaker 4: Soldier Field during the week and stole over one hundred
Speaker 4: thousand dollars of loot.
Speaker 1: I don't sure what the loot was. It's like, you're
Speaker 1: having a bad week, You're having a bad year.
Speaker 3: Bears and Mahomes has made a lot of defenses look
Speaker 3: sorry in his brilliant career, but it never looked easier
Speaker 3: than it did for Pat Mahomes in this game. His
Speaker 3: his numbers are great for he played like three plus
Speaker 3: quarters twenty four thirty three, two seventy two, three touchdowns,
Speaker 3: no picks, wasn't sacked, pass rating one twenty seven. He
Speaker 3: could have easily had five touchdown passes in the first
Speaker 3: half in this game. One touchdown got called back half
Speaker 3: yard line, like I said, Juwan Taylor got another one
Speaker 3: waved off with an illegal procedure, and it was just like, man,
Speaker 3: I don't know like you guys we were talking about
Speaker 3: it in the newsroom, like I feel like I'm waking
Speaker 3: up tomorrow, and if matt El Eberflus is fired, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be stunned just because the team I watched is
Speaker 3: not competitive and doesn't seem like they're even listening to
Speaker 3: coaching right now.
Speaker 1: That's just the way it seems.
Speaker 4: It's it's the second week in a row where they're
Speaker 4: spending the second half panning the Bears bench, and they
Speaker 4: about a tangible kind of downbeat, low energy a week ago,
Speaker 4: and like you saw it all over again, and I
Speaker 4: Justin Fields, like I got hurt at one point in
Speaker 4: this game for like the fifth time in like a year,
Speaker 4: and like Justin Field's the passer who seemed to grow
Speaker 4: at the end of last season. Obviously we saw we
Speaker 4: could do on the ground. The ground thing's not happening
Speaker 4: the same way, and he's not evolving well.
Speaker 3: And again he's also this is a team wide meltdown.
Speaker 3: He throws a beautiful dime to DJ Moore, who is
Speaker 3: supposed to be the guy now goes right through his hands.
Speaker 3: You could not have thrown a better ball. That's like
Speaker 3: a fifty yard game wiped away because his number one
Speaker 3: wide out can't make a play. But otherwise he throws
Speaker 3: from nder one hundred yards in this game, like we predicted,
Speaker 3: he did run the ball more, but still not even
Speaker 3: not even in the way that you would think, like
Speaker 3: you you didn't see a game plan in my mind
Speaker 3: where it was like they were going for something different
Speaker 3: here they still and the final stats don't really tell
Speaker 3: the story. It makes it look like they ran the
Speaker 3: ball some success. There was just nothing there during the
Speaker 3: game when this mattered and it was it was just
Speaker 3: it was a grizzly bloodbath.
Speaker 5: Well you heard you saw some disturbing reports. If if
Speaker 5: I was eber Fluse on Sunday morning, kind of like, actually,
Speaker 5: we rally the troops and it brought us together and
Speaker 5: there was high energy, and we had great practices. When
Speaker 5: you hear the great practices, you know, it's it's it's trouble.
Speaker 5: Like we feel really good about this going into the game,
Speaker 5: and then you come out and this shows up. And
Speaker 5: I think Eubrafluse could lose his job Dan, but there's
Speaker 5: no one to replace him on the roster because gets
Speaker 5: he's been a bigger mess. You don't have a coordinator
Speaker 5: and and so it it'd have to be outside. And
Speaker 5: it's so early in the season for like the total
Speaker 5: reset they play the Broncos next week. It's I just
Speaker 5: feel like that would happen later. It's also an owner
Speaker 5: ship group with that has you know that there's slow
Speaker 5: to the draw. Yeah, there may be a little slow
Speaker 5: of the draw older, and I think it's I actually
Speaker 5: think it's a big thing for the Chiefs to put
Speaker 5: a hurting on someone just to show that they can again,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: And not that I doubt it.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of football fans are not even
Speaker 3: interested in the tailor swift side of things and find
Speaker 3: it annoying how many times they were cutting back to
Speaker 3: the booth. But like, she exists in a very special
Speaker 3: tier of celebrity right now, Like, there are very few
Speaker 3: people in pop culture that have attained a level of
Speaker 3: success and fame that she's at. Like if she is
Speaker 3: actually dating Travis Kelcey, Now this is I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: use the D word distraction, but it's a it's like
Speaker 3: a it's a crazy thing. Like she is one of
Speaker 3: the most if not the most famous woman in the
Speaker 3: world right now, and now Travis Kelsey is going to
Speaker 3: be dating her, and it's kind of just wild to
Speaker 3: wrap your head around it, Like it's this is now
Speaker 3: a think because she was at the game sitting next
Speaker 3: to Kelsey's mom, uh, and the repeated cuts to her
Speaker 3: and the and the photos from the social team in
Speaker 3: the NFL.
Speaker 5: I mean you You've been a big time Swift fan
Speaker 5: for as long as I've known you. So what are
Speaker 5: your feelings? I know you haven't watched Catching Kelsey Wes
Speaker 5: and Keisha's you know favorite show back in the day.
Speaker 1: They were the only two people that watch. Are you
Speaker 1: happy with? Just like, what are you?
Speaker 5: What are your feelings? What are your feelings?
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think he's a he's a good catch,
Speaker 3: nailed it. I also think, uh, it probably feels pretty doomed.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems I don't.
Speaker 4: Really good girlfriend points for like the way she was
Speaker 4: interacting with Donna Kelcey up in the little suite there.
Speaker 1: They seemed to be getting along for real. It seemed
Speaker 1: real and organic to me. There's no way to talk
Speaker 1: about what we're talking about. The name. No, but no,
Speaker 1: there is not not on this show. No.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at some footage of her, her and Travis
Speaker 5: leaving with like the chief's jacket wrapped around her rais.
Speaker 3: And asked this one question. Mark, answer this one question,
Speaker 3: then we'll move on. Are they both having a light
Speaker 3: dinner tonight?
Speaker 1: I'd say certainly, yes, I believe it. Let's move on
Speaker 1: for the first time, and they having a light dinner?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not in my mind.
Speaker 9: On second down and goal now from the five, let's
Speaker 9: leave it.
Speaker 1: Don play fake.
Speaker 9: Gino's gonna throw it back at the end zone, reaching
Speaker 9: up making the catch.
Speaker 1: It's in a touchdown. Agree to disagree? Do you disagree?
Speaker 5: Hard down Seahawks, We're still waiting.
Speaker 1: Yes, touchdowns Boks.
Speaker 20: Jake Bobo high throw.
Speaker 14: Back line of the end zone that took the official forever.
Speaker 1: Ye throw that official under the bus. I love it.
Speaker 1: Who said, who said that cool names are gone? Who
Speaker 1: said there are no more cool names? Jake Bobo?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Baby, Steve Ray with the call k I r Oh.
Speaker 3: The Seahawks were back at it on offense after a
Speaker 3: tough Week one, big Week two, and now a big
Speaker 3: Week three. They rushed for one hundred and forty six
Speaker 3: yards on the ground. Gino Smith throws a touchdown, throws
Speaker 3: are nearly three hundred, and the Seahawks roll thirty seven
Speaker 3: to twenty seven over the Panthers greg ten point final.
Speaker 3: This is a pretty close game throughout with Andy Dalton starting.
Speaker 5: For the rookie Yeah, and Andy Dalton I think gave
Speaker 5: them a much better chance to win. He played well.
Speaker 5: It just proves the infinite wisdom of the Dalton scale.
Speaker 1: I think the Dalton.
Speaker 5: Scale still exists. I think Andy Dalton is still the
Speaker 5: perfect person for the Dalton line in twenty twenty three
Speaker 5: because you throw him in there in a terrible situation
Speaker 5: where he's has no running game and he's under pressure,
Speaker 5: and he kept them in it for like three and
Speaker 5: a half quarters only because he could deliver under pressure.
Speaker 5: I think the numbers were crazy, with something like seventy
Speaker 5: percent of plays he was pressured on, and their offensive
Speaker 5: line is terrible, and the Seahawks, who I don't think
Speaker 5: of as like a rugged team, dominated both lines. Ken
Speaker 5: Walker and Sharboney end up running through this Panthers defense
Speaker 5: who had a lot of injuries, and the Seahawks defensive line,
Speaker 5: as I mentioned, got after Dalton despite him putting up
Speaker 5: three sixty one and two, and the Seahawks move on
Speaker 5: with him when they better have gotten.
Speaker 4: Is there any world where like maybe you keep Dalton
Speaker 4: in there for a while, or is it like, you know,
Speaker 4: no matter what, we just need Thrice young to I mean,
Speaker 4: I think it's the latter.
Speaker 1: But it's just like, oh, why would you don't you
Speaker 1: want the rookie to develop? Oh but I do. I do,
Speaker 1: But I think it just they they seem more competent.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Thielan goes eleven and a touchdown. DJ Shark
Speaker 5: had four for eighty six, including you know beautiful throw by.
Speaker 5: Dalton really played quite well in this game under the circumstances.
Speaker 5: I would say he outplayed Gino. I guess for most
Speaker 5: of it. Gino had a couple turnover where he plays
Speaker 5: early that got away with. Did have one interception, and
Speaker 5: then he played really well in the second half and
Speaker 5: they steamrolled. The injuries on both sides are though this outrageous.
Speaker 5: It feels I know we probably say this every year,
Speaker 5: but it really feels like more injuries this year. Both
Speaker 5: of these teams are missing like eight or nine guys.
Speaker 5: But here's who went out for Carolina just during this game.
Speaker 1: CG.
Speaker 5: Henderson, who had replaced J. C. Horn, Frankie Luvu, who's
Speaker 5: been maybe their best player this year. Xavier Woods starting
Speaker 5: safety Jonathan Mingo had concussion at receiver. The Seahawks at
Speaker 5: one point lost the fourth of their fifth starting offensive lineman,
Speaker 5: so they're playing without three starters. They actually got him
Speaker 5: back later in the game, and Jaren Reid played well
Speaker 5: in metcalf and I'm encouraged that they have a running
Speaker 5: game ken Walker. Some of the moves when you see
Speaker 5: it like he's a boomer bust runner. He's the definition
Speaker 5: of it. But my god, the booms are outrageous. He
Speaker 5: had about four runs.
Speaker 12: In this game that took my breath away, like Sharon too,
Speaker 12: and Mark yeah, Mark and Greg yeah.
Speaker 1: Zach carbonated what he did to Sam Franklin that was
Speaker 1: on the goal line.
Speaker 3: I'm sure if you want to get it like a detailed,
Speaker 3: multiple angle look at it.
Speaker 1: I have a good feeling, without consulting with the talent
Speaker 1: or the producers, that that is the angry run of
Speaker 1: Good Morning Football Monday telecast, that poor man Sam Franklin
Speaker 1: got thrown five yards near the goal line, Like you
Speaker 1: don't really you don't come back from that. That's kind
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 5: Now I need to see the replay because I feel like,
Speaker 5: I feel like he got up so quickly. I hadn't
Speaker 5: heard of him either. I think he's like the backup
Speaker 5: to the backup.
Speaker 1: He's I think he's gone.
Speaker 3: Remember in the old video games where the bad guy
Speaker 3: would die and then he would just like disappear. Sure,
Speaker 3: that's what happened to poor Sam Franklin.
Speaker 5: It's unfair because I think I got to watch it again.
Speaker 5: But I think he might have done the thing where
Speaker 5: he popped up and pretended to try to celebrate, almost
Speaker 5: to throw the people off the set because it was
Speaker 5: it wasn't a touchdown he did. He did go out
Speaker 5: at like the one yard light, so he was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I stopped you.
Speaker 1: But Roberts and Chavez are all over this. We're going
Speaker 1: to watch watch us on YouTube. We haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: This is not fair and this is what you're talking
Speaker 1: about watching the finish.
Speaker 21: No, Jesus Christ, give me a little Jonathan Jesus Christ,
Speaker 21: just preach all he went not an exaggerations.
Speaker 1: Also like.
Speaker 4: His left leg and that it almost propels him even
Speaker 4: farther away from the scene.
Speaker 3: That's Sam Franklin is probably the greatest high school athlete
Speaker 3: that ever graced his particular school right and he was
Speaker 3: just thrown seven feet seven yards and then evaporated.
Speaker 1: Not a high point, toughy anything else.
Speaker 5: I mean this, you know, was a courageous lock. That
Speaker 5: Gino came through for me in the clutch.
Speaker 1: We see what you're doing.
Speaker 5: Thanks Gina for Jack.
Speaker 1: All right, well one more game. It's Sunday night football.
Speaker 1: Canny run over ten yards is chunk now? This big
Speaker 1: bootleg left.
Speaker 17: Goes from the end zone, touchdown Steelers pet Tyler Mooth his.
Speaker 1: Second of the year. Feels it sweet move it is
Speaker 1: right there. What a great job. I'm telling you what.
Speaker 1: That's a great corner route by the moon. No the
Speaker 1: Mooth Bill Hillgrove with the call WV.
Speaker 3: Beautiful drive there led by Kenny Pickett uh the clinching
Speaker 3: score for the Pittsburgh Steelers, who withstand a late comeback
Speaker 3: attempt by the Raiders in a twenty three to eighteen
Speaker 3: win in Vegas in a game attended forget about Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: Carrie Underwood was in the truck.
Speaker 3: At NBC watching her own Sunday Night football team and
Speaker 3: like bobbing her head.
Speaker 4: Well, that okay, a bona fide star. But I don't
Speaker 4: even forget about Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3: You know who I want to forget about. And we're
Speaker 3: gonna talk about the Steelers. Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 1: I can't do it.
Speaker 3: I mean, and I imagine how Raiders fans feel. I mean,
Speaker 3: what are we doing?
Speaker 1: Like, what what are we trying to do?
Speaker 3: Okay, it's twenty three seven and they score a touchdown,
Speaker 3: they get a two point conversion, it's twenty three to fifteen.
Speaker 1: It's an eight point game.
Speaker 3: They get stopped what around the twenty five or so, Gregie,
Speaker 3: and they bring out the field goal team and then
Speaker 3: they kick the field goal. But wait, there's a penalty leverage.
Speaker 3: Kind of a soft call. But whatever, absurd call I
Speaker 3: didn't believe. I didn't agree with the first decision to
Speaker 3: send out Daniel Carlson was fourth and six, you're down
Speaker 3: by eight.
Speaker 1: It's in the second half.
Speaker 5: Of the fourth quarter, three point fifteen to go.
Speaker 1: They then get down inside the ten yard line. It's
Speaker 1: fourth and four. You're down eight four yards six.
Speaker 6: Plus two equals eight, and you kick a field goal
Speaker 6: because you're so confident all of a sudden in your
Speaker 6: defense to get a stop and get the ball back,
Speaker 6: which of course they don't because the football gods are
Speaker 6: like up your nose of the rev a hose, I mean,
Speaker 6: Josh McDaniels. That boggles the mind, like this is this
Speaker 6: is an offensive guru who has like four hundred Super
Speaker 6: Bowl rings.
Speaker 5: I'm surprised we didn't choose Daniel Carlson's twenty six yard
Speaker 5: field goal as the highlight. It's a description sas mcdaniels's
Speaker 5: favorite play. It's so insane, like make a monument to
Speaker 5: cutting the lead to five, fash McDaniels, because in the
Speaker 5: world that you're this confidence world that the two twenty
Speaker 5: twenty three Raiders are going to get a three and out,
Speaker 5: like you're you're making that bet. You're saying, the only
Speaker 5: way we win this game is we're definitely getting a
Speaker 5: three and out, and then we're definitely getting down the
Speaker 5: field past the eight yard line where it would be
Speaker 5: easier to score a touchdown. We're definitely gonna do all
Speaker 5: that in two and a half minutes. The only way
Speaker 5: that that even makes any sense is the same world
Speaker 5: where you can be confident in that same defense to
Speaker 5: get a three and out. I'm the Steelers inside the
Speaker 5: ten yard line and give your sense have a chance
Speaker 5: to make it.
Speaker 1: What's happening?
Speaker 4: This is like a under Josh McDaniels. The Raiders are
Speaker 4: an identity free offense beyond DeVante Adams, where other coaches
Speaker 4: around the league have gotten more aggressive. This is how
Speaker 4: he approaches the end of the game. We watched this
Speaker 4: in a different place. I was sitting there.
Speaker 1: Baffled by this, like what are we doing?
Speaker 4: Because what is suggests number one that you're gonna get
Speaker 4: out of a second drive without a Jimmy g interception
Speaker 4: or turnover.
Speaker 1: He leads the league and picks they can't run the ball.
Speaker 4: Beyond DeVante Adams, you got nothing going on, and you're
Speaker 4: gonna put yourself into a perilous situation like that. Josh
Speaker 4: McDaniels he literally lowers my enjoyment of the game. I
Speaker 4: was watching that being like this raid I am friends
Speaker 4: with some Raiders fans or the texts are coming in
Speaker 4: left and right on this group that and like they've lost.
Speaker 4: They're just like, how how dull to the eyes? Can
Speaker 4: the Raiders possibly be?
Speaker 5: What do they do?
Speaker 1: Well? What is their identity? But it's like dull to
Speaker 1: the eye. Sure, but I'm saying, just a strategic standpoint,
Speaker 1: there's nothing dull about twenty three fifteen, fourth down inside
Speaker 1: the opponent's like five yard line with a chance to
Speaker 1: potentially tie the game.
Speaker 5: I must have been fourth and seventeen, right, and then
Speaker 5: you kick the field Oh no way, it's fourth and four,
Speaker 5: say four.
Speaker 3: Yards, and you kick the field goal, and and you
Speaker 3: know what, it wasn't just me, Greggie, I think you
Speaker 3: felt the same way.
Speaker 1: Mark. I'm sure you felt the same way.
Speaker 3: When Matt Canada, to his credit, has the perfect play
Speaker 3: call on that third down or second down to pick
Speaker 3: up the first down, that effectively the end of it.
Speaker 1: You know what, good take it, yep, Josh McDaniels, learn
Speaker 1: from it, yep.
Speaker 3: But the clock's ticking, my friend, because I would imagine
Speaker 3: I don't know what you guys think about Mark Davis
Speaker 3: and his football acumen and his level of patience, but
Speaker 3: that had to be a re annoying game to watch.
Speaker 3: Is the owner as well watching the decision making those
Speaker 3: made in crunch time.
Speaker 5: I mean, you've given Jacoby Meyers sixteen million dollars guaranteed
Speaker 5: he's an incredible number two receiver. He's three times the
Speaker 5: receiver that Juju Smith Schuster is, who got the same
Speaker 5: amount of money from the Patriot.
Speaker 1: Rag was going through some things all I mean, sir,
Speaker 1: it's the one.
Speaker 5: Receiver the Patriots have developed in the last fifteen years
Speaker 5: and you let him walk away for Juju Smith Schuster.
Speaker 1: Toughy.
Speaker 5: Then that's on one side of the field, match up
Speaker 5: against Levi Wallace and Patrick Peterson. On the other side
Speaker 5: of the field, you have a first ballot Hall of
Speaker 5: Famer who has one hundred and seventy two yards and
Speaker 5: two touchdowns. How about we give one of those two
Speaker 5: guys a chance to get five yards.
Speaker 1: Couldn't do it. Wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3: On the Steelers side, progress for offense and you needed that,
Speaker 3: you needed something. I'm not saying they were over the
Speaker 3: moon here with offense, they only have three hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty three total yards. But like I said at the top,
Speaker 3: that drive finishing with the fire move touchdown was really clinical.
Speaker 3: It was it was you guys watched the games that
Speaker 3: I didn't in preseason. I bet that's what it looked like.
Speaker 3: That's what That's how they drew it up in preseason
Speaker 3: and it finally looked like it now. Is that's something
Speaker 3: they could build on. We'll see, because they're not a
Speaker 3: finished product by any means. But for the first time,
Speaker 3: as I'm watching, I'm like, Okay, you see it. You
Speaker 3: can see how it could work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take it in streaks.
Speaker 4: I mean, they had a period in this game where
Speaker 4: they scored on five of six drives and then they
Speaker 4: kind of quiet at the end and that you know,
Speaker 4: it's like you can't count on them the whole game.
Speaker 4: But I just see guys like Calvin Austin, Jalen Warren,
Speaker 4: George Pickens, and then Kenny Pickett in that stretch where
Speaker 4: they were productive tonight.
Speaker 1: I thought he threw the ball with confidence.
Speaker 4: It's like he was pretty well protected and like he
Speaker 4: had one near terrible pick six on a throw to
Speaker 4: Marcus Peters that didn't happen, so changed the game absolutely,
Speaker 4: But like, but you got a better version of Kenny
Speaker 4: Pickett tonight. It's They've been a mystery to me because man,
Speaker 4: Matt Canada obviously like the subject of much higher I
Speaker 4: I don't. I'm surprised he's still on the team, to
Speaker 4: be honest. Uh, but there are a lot of there's
Speaker 4: a lot of young talent, and you started to see
Speaker 4: them get a little more creative and comfortable.
Speaker 1: So it's like you build off it.
Speaker 5: I mean it helps, you know, going against the Raiders
Speaker 5: pretty limited pass rush outside of Max Crosby. Uh, but
Speaker 5: I agree with you. They got into a rhythm. He
Speaker 5: made some throws inside the pocket, which was nice to see,
Speaker 5: not just scrambling, and you know they do have a
Speaker 5: defense to rely on. Look TJ. Watt another couple of sacks.
Speaker 5: He's up to six. This defensive Player of the Year race.
Speaker 5: I hate people talking about races after week three, but
Speaker 5: it is it is kind of a race.
Speaker 1: I feel like there is something hand once and for all.
Speaker 5: I think there is something here between him, Wat Garrett
Speaker 5: especially and Parsons starting off the three of them like
Speaker 5: a house on fire. Those are three truly great players
Speaker 5: that are gonna have this race, and then they they
Speaker 5: found someone else they have they always uncover these defensive
Speaker 5: linemen Keanu Benton, who's more of a no tackle defensive tackle,
Speaker 5: but getting up the field like he's had another couple
Speaker 5: of good weeks here, and he took over that game
Speaker 5: for a little bit in the second half.
Speaker 3: Set that's sack he had, he was in the backfield
Speaker 3: in the blink of an eye. And the takedown of
Speaker 3: Jimmy g all right, any other thoughts.
Speaker 5: Big win, Now, that's it.
Speaker 1: I don't. I will not select when we do our drafts.
Speaker 4: I will not select a game involving the Raiders unless
Speaker 4: I'm forced into it, and with the final pick.
Speaker 1: Again this season, I cannot. I have to do it. Well,
Speaker 1: this is in self.
Speaker 5: Well, this is a primetime game and they have I
Speaker 5: think four more mark so you can't.
Speaker 1: That's that's general. Why on earth were they given four
Speaker 1: of these games? I mean, I know why.
Speaker 4: It's the Raiders. By the way, you're in Las Vegas
Speaker 4: and your shiny new stadium. You guys didn't have sound
Speaker 4: where you were like, it was essentially three Rivers.
Speaker 1: It was terrible. Towers left and right, I don't have
Speaker 1: AirPod we in the.
Speaker 3: In the film room, which, by the way, I got
Speaker 3: off a joke that got Steve Smith.
Speaker 1: In that place. Just turned back to Greg the row
Speaker 1: behind me and just bang game the thumbs up. I saw.
Speaker 1: I saw.
Speaker 3: That's why you're in the film room to get that
Speaker 3: type of reaction from a Hall of Famer from Steve Smith.
Speaker 3: And yes, the sound wasn't on in there, and there's
Speaker 3: like fourteen guys sitting in there just listening, watching a
Speaker 3: screen with no sound. And then I just my mind
Speaker 3: was blown that everyone was just sitting in there in
Speaker 3: total silence.
Speaker 4: Well that was my reactions. I don't have my air
Speaker 4: pods with me. I'll bring him next week at the
Speaker 4: place is going to be non functional. It's like I
Speaker 4: was out of there smart right, right, didn't make it.
Speaker 4: I didn't make Steve Smith laugh with my exit or entrance,
Speaker 4: but uh, you know.
Speaker 1: It was a guffaw.
Speaker 5: I also got some good juju juju takes from him.
Speaker 1: I mean, leave it there, let him share those if
Speaker 1: he chooses to. What was the What was the bit
Speaker 1: I want to hear the juju much more? Was my bit?
Speaker 5: It was something about nothing a thumbs down is.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it just so happens that on a p
Speaker 3: I call in the end zone, the defender for the
Speaker 3: Steelers gave a thumbs down to the referee and I said,
Speaker 3: you know, good, I think, I said, a good thumbs
Speaker 3: down is kind.
Speaker 1: Of like underrated. You don't see it enough. And Smithy
Speaker 1: went off with laughter, and I just turned back. I
Speaker 1: look at Greg him the thumbs up. Yeah, as you should.
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, you know, in life, especially
Speaker 3: as you get older, it's kind of like the little
Speaker 3: things that you take joy in wherever you can find it,
Speaker 3: little pockets of happiness.
Speaker 1: Good at, good at.
Speaker 3: By the way, I was off by one, you guys
Speaker 3: reminded me that the eighteen game second year of the
Speaker 3: eighteen game schedule, I thought this was this is the third, Yes,
Speaker 3: so I think this was our set seventy fifth Sunday
Speaker 3: flagship show in the regular seas. One hundred and seventy
Speaker 3: fifth feels that way, one hundred and seventy five. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's because it is according to our conversation.
Speaker 1: All right, this is this is when you know it's on.
Speaker 1: It's like Sunday night at nine pm. Give me a break,
Speaker 1: all right, see you Monday night. Heed the call