1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous, young, pregnant postal 2 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: worker disappears. What happened to Kiera Coles? I Meanancy Grace 3 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here 4 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: at Fox Nation in serious X one eleven. First of all, 5 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at wg Inn. Kiera 6 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: Coles works as a mail carrier out of this postal 7 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: office in the South Shore neighborhood, where her co workers 8 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: say they cannot comment about the disappearance, but she hasn't 9 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: been seen since calling off work last Wednesday morning. The 10 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: twenty six year old was reported missing by her family 11 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: soon after, saying it is unlike her to be out 12 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: of touch. A private surveillance system near her home at 13 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: First and Vernon captured images of Coals leaving that morning, 14 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: dressed in her postal uniform, but heading across the street 15 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: from where her car was parked. According to relatives, Coals 16 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: is pregnant and loves her postal job. Her person cell 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: phone were said to be inside her car and it 18 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: was locked, but there's been no sign of her person 19 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: cell phone in car, as if she was about to 20 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: go somewhere, but no sign of this pregnant postal worker 21 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: with me an all star panel, a special guest to 22 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. But first 23 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: I want to go to Kiera's mother. This is Karen 24 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: Phillips joining us, Miss Phillips. Thank you for being with us, 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Miss Phillips. When did you 26 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: first learn that Kiera had seemingly vanished? I told it 27 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: that morning because I always call my kids in a 28 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: morning sammit. I found it strange that she wasn't answer. 29 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: I found all money, so I went to go check 30 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: on her my lunch break, but I didn't see her car, 31 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: so I just assumed she was at work until I 32 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: got off that evening and she still hadn't returned my 33 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: phone call. And then what happened. And then you know, 34 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: I called around and see if anybody had seen with 35 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: my other kids. And then I went to her apartment 36 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: to see if I can see if she was there again, 37 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: and she wasn't. And then my oldest daughter had called 38 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: her boyfriend to see if he had talked to her, 39 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: and he had said he had been texting her, which 40 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: he found out that was a lie. He wasn't texting her, 41 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: and to check down the street for her car where 42 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: we found her cart. So we went on checked down 43 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: the street and her car was dead and still was 44 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: gonna answer our adult. Then is when I called the 45 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: police to come and do a Wales being checked. Okay, 46 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: So at this point we're going into day two. You 47 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: have not heard from her, yes, okay, if we did 48 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: the police show up, the first time was that night. 49 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: But when we woke up that morning, it's like an 50 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 1: automatically jet we I mean just started. We went over 51 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: there to start doing searches and the post office made fly. 52 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: Just everything just started. The very next day on the 53 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: turn take a listen to WGNTV Nancy lou One neighbor 54 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: spotted Coals on his security footage after hearing she went missing. Yeah, 55 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: it look kind of suspicious because when she was like 56 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: she was undecided what she wanted to do and stuff 57 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: like that, and a mom and him said that she 58 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: called off that morning saying she ain't coming in, you know, 59 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: but she was dressing in a uniform, a posted uniform, 60 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: like she's ready going to work, you know, and that 61 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: I guess that's the last close she had on Coles 62 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: is five to four and one hundred and twenty five pounds. 63 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: She has a heart tattoo on her right hand and 64 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: another on her back that reads Lucky Libra. According to relatives, 65 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: Coals is three months pregnant and has had the same 66 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: boyfriend for several years. To Dorian Gighery joining us, a 67 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: national crime reporter and editor with Oxygen dot com, Dorian, 68 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What does a surveillance 69 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: video show? So we see surveillance footage? I think there 70 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: was a lot of confusion in the initial aftermath of 71 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: care being reported missing, and there was surveillance futage that 72 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: popped up showing who appeared to be a postal worker, 73 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: and a lot of people, including authorities, first thoughts this 74 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: might have been Kiera that you know, since was ruled 75 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: out by Kiera's family and also authorities. And you know, 76 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: there is other surveillance footage of her as well, showing 77 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: leaving her, her leaving going to work the morning she disappeared. 78 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: There's also a footage of her at an ATM shortly 79 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: before she vanished, pulling out money. And you know, apart 80 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: from these short little glimpses into her movements, Chicago police 81 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: have really struggled to put together a solid timeline of 82 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: you know, Kiara's movements leading up to her never being 83 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: seen again. So let me understand, the person that looked 84 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: like Kia in the neighbor surveillance video is not Kiera. Correct. 85 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: So a number of other postal workers, according to investigators, 86 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: did live in that neighborhood and nearby, and so I 87 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: believe they surmised that this was actually a different letter 88 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: carrier and it was not Kiera. But for a time, 89 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, surveillance splurga was grainy. I believe it was 90 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: black and white. It was difficult in the early stages 91 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: to ascertain who exactly that was, but it was not Kiera. 92 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: I was always curious because if it had been Kiera, 93 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: she walked right past her own car, and that surveillance video. 94 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: Are you convinced, miss Phillips, that that surveillance video is 95 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: not your daughter? I know it's not. How do you know? 96 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you know? Do you know your kids? Do 97 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: you know they walked? You know? If I'm in the 98 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: crowd and one of my kids say, Mom, I know that, Sam, 99 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: I know that that's one of my kids called me. 100 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: You're right, I knew that wasn't her walk. The walk 101 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: the lady would suit tall. She was not that tall, 102 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: but I just knew that wasn't her walk. Guys, take 103 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut four. Our friend Marcella Raymond 104 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: Kimberly last saw her sister when she picked her up 105 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: from work lass Monday. Her mother called Thursday and asked 106 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: if she had talked to her or immediately? Was a 107 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: snapchat because that's what she threw, you know, she snapped 108 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: everywhere whatever she threw or whatever she eating house a 109 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: day and everything. So I really went to Snapchat's out 110 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: there was no story, so they kind of puzzled me. 111 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: She contented. Her boyfriend, also the father of her unborn child, Kiara, 112 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: was three months pregnant. They all went to Kara's apartment 113 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: at eighty first and Vernon to check on her. I 114 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: just don't want to say this, so who will do 115 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: something like this? I don't know, I could put it over. 116 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: So trying to figure out the last time that anyone, 117 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: since we now know that surveillance video is not her, 118 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: the last time anyone within the family, any reliable witness 119 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: actually saw Kiera Cole's alive, three months pregnant Karen Phillips, 120 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: when is the last time anyone in the family saw 121 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: her now, I know Kimberly saw her the previous Monday. 122 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: What about after that? It was the last time that 123 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: you spoke to her on the phone? I spoke to 124 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: her today she went missing? What time? Probably about six 125 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: or seven because she was at the Whisk store. Is 126 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: that in the morning or the evening? That was the 127 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: evening of the second she called me when she was 128 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: in the Whisk store. So she didn't go miss until 129 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: that night six to seven pm. That evening she was 130 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: at the store and you spoke to her on the phone. 131 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: H Do you know anyone that spoke to her or 132 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: got to text message from her after that? No? I 133 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: got it. Did she snap after that? No? So seven 134 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: pm on October two? Is that correct? Yeah? So Dorian 135 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: Guiger joining me Oxygen dot com. Where is this store 136 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: that Miss Phillips is telling us about. Believe it was 137 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: a pharmacy and it's not too far from you know, 138 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: eighty one hundred Health of Burning As where Karen lives. 139 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I know the exact name of the store, 140 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: but it is a pharmacy, like a Walgreens or something 141 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: like that. So is that right? Karen? It was like 142 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: a pharmacy for instance of Walgreens. Um, I'm thinking it 143 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: was wild Greens ATM. It was a wild Greens. Well, 144 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: can you tell me about that, Dorian. Was it an 145 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: ATM at Walgreens? Yeah? Correct, I mean it definitely was 146 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: an ATM. It's it's a pharmacy. I will refer to 147 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: to miss phillips um, But yeah, I believe it was 148 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: a Walgreens. Take a listen to our cut twenty three. 149 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: This is Shannon Hall again with wut In. We're learning 150 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: new information about Kia Coles the last day she was seen. 151 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: This also comes the same day as community organizers march 152 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: to bring awareness to missing women and girls in Chicago. 153 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: These are the last known images of Kiera Coles on 154 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: October two, twenty eighteen. It's part of newly released video 155 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: from the Chicago Police Department. Had approximately ten forty three pm, 156 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: Kierra Coles was seen on surveillan's video making two ATM 157 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: withdrawals at a business in the eighty six hundred block 158 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: of South Cottage Grove. At the time, the postal worker 159 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: was twenty six years old and three months pregnant. In 160 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: the video from CPD, Kiera's mother, Karen Phillips asks anyone 161 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: with information about her daughter to come forward, but it 162 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,239 Speaker 1: was the first time her mother had seen the surveillance 163 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: video of her daughter. Oh here, you know, she's fans. 164 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: She walked in, she go shopping, she coming back, she 165 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: wents off army. So you know, I was very, very 166 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: emotional for me to see that, Miss Phillips. What went 167 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: through your mind when you saw this atm footage? I 168 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: pretty much lost it all over again because although I 169 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: knew about the video from the beginning, I just never 170 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: saw it. So to actually see it and you know, 171 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: see my daughter walk it, and it just it was 172 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: very damage And tell me that that day Time Stories 173 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace joining me, we're now a psychiatrists joining 174 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: us from the Atlanta guristiction doctor Angela Arnold and you 175 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Doctor Angie. 176 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: I'm listening to Kiera's mother, Miss Phillips, and it's reminding 177 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: me of something. My mom played our church organ at 178 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: our little Methodist church in Making for over fifty years 179 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: for free, I might add. And you know they started 180 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: broadcasting it on some network. Different churches you know, have 181 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: their services live and you can of course concede on 182 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: the internet, tiny little church, and if I wanted to, 183 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: I think I could go back and look at those videos. 184 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: But I don't because on the third row from the front, 185 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: on the right, you can see my mom playing the organ, 186 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: and you can see my dad sitting there, and you know, 187 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: my dad passed away, and you could see him getting up. 188 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: There's a moment where everyone greets each other and says 189 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: good morning, Happy Sunday, Peace be with you. And I 190 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: know that I would see him shaking people's hands and 191 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: hugging neighbors, and I just don't want to see it. 192 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: I don't know why. What is that? In the same 193 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: way this hit and miss Phillips since she saw that 194 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: atm withdraw Withdraw and then you see her, you see 195 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: Kiara walking around the store shopping, But the mom didn't 196 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: want to see that. What is that? Nancy? I think 197 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: that the mom. It's so hard for the mom to 198 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: see because so many years later, there's so many unanswered questions, 199 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: and it's almost as if time stops when you see 200 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: that video and you're stopped at that point in time. 201 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: And then the question is where what happened to her 202 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: after this? Where did she go? After this, and it's 203 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: that is the last time that anybody knows where she 204 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: was alive. I believe that that is why it's so 205 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: hard to look at that, because there's so many unanswered 206 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: questions after that time. It's a little bit different than 207 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: you viewing the video of your father, because I think 208 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: that that comes with some other memories and difficulties. But 209 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: thus with the unanswered question of where this girl is 210 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: and this is the last time anybody sees her at 211 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: everybody's looking for a kernel of information that can lead 212 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: them to her, and this is the last kernel that 213 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: they have. That's what's so hard to watch, Nancy. Guys, 214 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: take a listener to our cut twenty four Our friends 215 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: at wt In Police also showed video of officers first 216 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: entering Kiera's apartment after she was reported missing. New video 217 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: also shows a person of interest with Kiera at her 218 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: apartment the night of October second, and again at her 219 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: home the next day. What officers question the person of 220 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: interest after Kiera was reported missing, he gave varying accounts 221 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: of the last time he saw her. The new details 222 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: come around the same time as the fifth annual Walk 223 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: for Her. The march was organized to bring awareness to 224 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: missing black women and girls in Chicago business footage that 225 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: was released today after she has been missing for three 226 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: plus going on years. This information that should have been 227 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: released three years ago. Kiera's mother said it's an important cause. 228 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: She's hopeful for answers for other families and for her 229 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: own upright every day, but to be safe, not being harmed. 230 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: I hope I shall is with her. I okay, both 231 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: are doing okay, and I just hope soon this would 232 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: be over joyan geiger with me Austen dot com. Who 233 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: is the person of interest? To say? Chicago police won't 234 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: put that on record? I think, uh, you know, the 235 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: unofficial uh you know, person that the family has focused 236 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: on in a number of online sluice following this case, 237 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: it's been Josh Simmons, Kiera's ex boyfriend. Of course, police 238 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: won't verify if that is the person of interest in 239 00:14:55,320 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: the video, and you know, until they are able to confirm, 240 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: it's difficult to absolutely speculate there. However, I think it 241 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: probably is likely that is who they are referring to. 242 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: Going back, you know years in this case, Chicago police 243 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: have released such little little information, you know, even as 244 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: a national crime reporter, every time I revisit this case 245 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: or look at it, I barely get a response from CPD, 246 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: And so you know, I don't think we're going to 247 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: find out anytime assuing who that is until possibly maybe 248 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: an arrest is made. But again, this person gave quote 249 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: unquote varying accounts of the last time he saw her. 250 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: So we all know when police are investigating missing persons, 251 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: the first person they're obviously looking at as the individuals 252 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: who had the closest contact with these people in this case, 253 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: obviously a long time friend. Josh Simmons too. Karen Phillips, 254 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: this is Kiara's mom. Have you seen the video that 255 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: they're talking about where she is back at her place? Huh? Yes? 256 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: Who is with her? She's by rus there. She's going 257 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: in with the groceries that she get from the week 258 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: store and so that's immediately following shopping. Yeah, Dorian Geiger 259 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: with me Oxygen dot com. Dorian, are you telling me 260 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: that there is video of her with someone else the 261 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: night that she goes missing? So there is a video 262 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: of the quote unquote person of interest getting in to 263 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: Kiera's car the day before she ordered missing. When she 264 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: vanished on October second, so we see this person. We 265 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: don't see a great shot of the individual, like their 266 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: face or that sort of thing, but we see the 267 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: individual get into Kiera's vehicle, we see them leave her 268 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: property together. We later see him get out of the 269 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: passenger side of this vehicle, and Chicago police say that 270 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: vehicle is later returned to Kiera's home by this person 271 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: of interest. Okay, we're just hearing Dorian Lieutenant William sphilar 272 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: with Homicide State and I quote new video shows a 273 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: person of interest with Kiera at her apartment the night 274 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: of October two and again at her home the next day. 275 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: Those are his words, not mine. So apparently he is 276 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: on video. Would you agree with that? Correct? Yes, yes 277 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: we do. We do see this person. I'm just saying, 278 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, he's very undistinguishable as far as who this 279 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: person is. Yeah, but my question was was he with 280 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: her at the apartment? Correct? So he was Mona Kay 281 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: joining me, high profile private investigator with Mona Kay Investigations 282 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: in Omaha, Mona way in If there's surveillance video, the 283 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: police obviously know or should by this time be able 284 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: to identify who this person is. Well, we just heard 285 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: them say that he gave varied accounts of what happened. 286 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: That's very disturbing to me. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, an 287 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: author of Red Flags. Wendy, when someone gives varied accounts 288 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: of an incident, that is a problem. It is a 289 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: huge problem, especially when you have a case of a 290 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: missing person. You know, video is one thing you know. Sadly, 291 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: there are a variety of different quality controls with videos. 292 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: Some are grainy, like it sounds this one is, but 293 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: it was enough to be able to lead them do 294 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: A suspect will say that, I know they're using the 295 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: term person of interest, so I'll use that's just for 296 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: sake of argument. But then the inconsistency of the account, 297 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: now that is something that is significant. A lot of 298 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: people won't speak to begin with, but to actually talk 299 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: enough to where you have two versions of the story, 300 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: especially if it's somebody that's gone missing. You're right, that's 301 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: significant and that, no doubt is leading them to further investigation. 302 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 1: To Karen Phillips, this is Karen's Karen, do you believe 303 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: Kara is still alive? Yes? I do. Why because I 304 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: haven't identified a body yet, And that's that's what I'm 305 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: going off for regardless of what the outcome. Maybe that's 306 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: how I can survive every day. I can't, you know, 307 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: think otherwise. I have to think that my child is 308 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: still alive and should be resigned to me. I've got 309 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: a question for you. Did the boyfriend cooperate in the 310 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: search for her? Karen Phillips, No, ma'am, not at all. 311 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: Not one time. Never see the father of the baby. 312 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: Yet when you say he did not help in the search, 313 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: what do you mean by that? I mean he did 314 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: not pass out one flight, He didn't call the family 315 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: to check and see if we had any information. He 316 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: didn't do anything. And this is your child for the 317 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: most point, even if you had the attitude where you 318 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: didn't want to deal with my daughter, this is still 319 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: your child. So you wouldn't help find your own child 320 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: because you don't know how I feel because here is 321 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: my child. So this is your child. Gus take a 322 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: loss our cut nineteen Nate Rogers, Fox, thirty two. It's 323 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: been almost three agonizing years for the family of Kierra Coles, 324 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: both parents, mom and dad telling me they received varied 325 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: little no information from police in terms of information and 326 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: updates on their daughter's investigation. They tell me they hope 327 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: this latest talking today will bring answers forward. We haven't forgotten, 328 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, we still want answers. We want we want 329 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: a resolution, A birthday cake and other refreshments to celebrate 330 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: Kiera Coles, who turns twenty nine years old Friday. Her 331 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: father telling me, the hardest part is working through the unknown. 332 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: I live out of town, so when I do come 333 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: here and I stop at one hundred eleven police station, 334 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,239 Speaker 1: they don't never get answers for me. The reward is 335 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: climbing in the search for Kiera. Take a listen to 336 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: Nate Rogers and today's gathering local music artists perform feminine 337 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: friends sharing special memories. Now, according to a statement from 338 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: Chicago Police today quote, the case remains a high risk 339 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: missing person's investigation with potential foul play suspected. Now, we 340 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: do know that the United States Postal Inspection Service, as 341 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: well as the FBI and Chicago Police are jointly investigating 342 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: Kiera Racole's case. Right now, there is a forty seven 343 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward for information for any information that leads 344 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: authorities into finding Kiera Racoles. Guys, we're talking about a 345 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: gorgeous young pregnant postal worker who seemingly vanishes forty seven 346 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward tipline three one two seven four seven 347 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: eighty three eighty repeat three one two seven four seven 348 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: eighty three eighty Karen and Phillips, when's the last time 349 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: you heard from the boyfriend? Good night? I made the 350 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: buggies before try Dorrian Geiger? Are actually dot com? Any 351 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: idea of where he is now? Now? Is it true 352 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: he left the jurisdiction? According to the family, he is 353 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: currently in Louisiana, But beyond that, we don't know much, 354 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: Miss Phillips. Did Kiera ever leave for over one day 355 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: without telling you? Never? And if she did, I've talked 356 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: to my kids every single day. Rather they made at 357 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: me for whatever or you know, whatever issue it may be. 358 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: We still talked every day every day. But me to 359 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: go that along without you know, speaking with Kiera, it 360 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: was just, you know, I just was hoping the whole 361 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: time everything is okay. You know, maybe her phone broke 362 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: or maybe she left a charge. You know, I kept 363 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: trying to make up excuses. I didn't want to think 364 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: the words right then, even though my heart felt a 365 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: little funny, because you know, I know I'm speak to 366 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: her by that time to Mona Kay Private an investigator 367 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: joining us from Omaha Monica Investigations. What do you believe 368 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: should be done now out to try to find Kia? Well, 369 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, as they probably did at 370 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: the time, the friends and family should be talked to. 371 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: Phone records should be gone over, Google searches her, you know, 372 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: any computers, financial records, thanks, you know, records. We know 373 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: she used atm at Walgreens, but um, you know, has 374 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: there been any interactions after that? And also did Miss 375 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: Phillips say that the boyfriend alerted her and told her 376 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: where her where her car could be found the next day? 377 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: He did, Yes, he did, so he knew where her 378 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: car was parked. Yeah, he knew, and I didn't. And 379 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: when I went over there earlier that day on my 380 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: lunch break, I missed it because I wouldn't have been 381 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: looked at as far down as her car would. So 382 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: when I didn't see it in front of her house 383 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: where normally be, I just assumed she was out. And 384 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: so he told us that night when I called the police, Oh, 385 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: look down the street. Sometimes she parked down the street. No, 386 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: she don't, that's too far for her walk back to building. Okay, well, 387 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: and the police they should also be going over the 388 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: inconsistencies and the different statements that he gave, you know, 389 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: and verifying the you know, the different stories the statements 390 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: that he gave the police. M yeah, this is Wendy, 391 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: you know, Mana's right. You know. One of the things 392 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: we do first is look at not only who is 393 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: the last person to see somebody that's disappeared, but who 394 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: is closest to the person who's disappeared. This man on 395 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: the surveillance footage, it sounds like he spent the night 396 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: if he's seen with her the night before and then 397 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: with her at the apartment, so you might circumstantially as him. Okay, 398 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: it's the boyfriend. But then you talk about things like, 399 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, bringing cadaver dogs to the boyfriend's apartment, doing 400 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: all kinds of techniques to try to find evidence of 401 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: DNA that belongs to to Kiera. I mean, all these 402 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: kinds of things that you would expect to have been 403 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: done three years ago. I mean maybe some of them were, 404 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: but we sure wish we had more details today. I'll 405 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: find interesting that he could tell where her car was 406 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: parked and how far away from her apartment Karen Phillips 407 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: was her car almost to the next corner. Like her 408 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: building is on one corner of eighty first. Her car 409 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: was almost at the end of the corner on eighty 410 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: first the opposite way. It was too far for her 411 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: to park and walked back by herself. This is Mona 412 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: has she has she ever parked in that area before 413 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: before the night. No, she wasn't park down that five 414 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: because there was paniel park right there. Whenever I went 415 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: to her house, it was she was always parked across 416 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: the street because you know, it was housing. So maybe 417 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: they used their garage which left place across the street, 418 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: so she was partly right across the street from her building. 419 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: Jodan Geiger, Oxygen dot Com jump in, Yeah, I think 420 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: I think it's just particularly suspicious that you know, this 421 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: guy Josh Simmons knew where the car was parked, and 422 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: although Chicago police haven't formally identified the person of interest, 423 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: seems clear to me that either they are the same 424 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: person or knew each other. If you know, he the 425 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: boyfriend knew where the car was. Part the person of 426 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: interest was seen parking the car, so there does appear 427 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: to be some kind of connection there, and I am 428 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: very interested to know from miss Phillips whether she does 429 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: think and if she's seen that, but whether that individual 430 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: is Josh Simmons or nothing. It was And when I 431 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: asked when when my daughter case went from miss and 432 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: first it's a hommicack. And I talked to the homicide detective. 433 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: I asked him, do you know who brought my car, 434 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: my daughter's car back, And he told me mister Simmons. 435 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: While her car back, he told me out of his mouth, 436 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: mister Simmons brought her car back. So that's when I asked, 437 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: so y'all can't bring him in off a vet and 438 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: they said no. So, Miss Phillips, it wasn't her purse 439 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: that was found in her car. It was her lunch 440 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: box lunch bag, which you know if a similar to 441 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: a purse. So that's why I kept saying, person, but 442 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't a part. That's interesting that you said that 443 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: with her I D where would her ID and credit 444 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: card space? We never found that her actual purse, I'm 445 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: son was with her because we never found ads found. 446 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we've now found AGD keys, while the normal 447 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: things that she had carried with her purse. We never 448 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: found that it was her lunch bag packed for the day, 449 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: or it could have been you know, the day or 450 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: a couple of days, because she had prenative vitamins. Then 451 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: they have fruit water, so that could have been you know, 452 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: from the day before, or it could have been the 453 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: day of, because I would think that she would replenish 454 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: that every night if she was taking those prenatal vitamins too. 455 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: Dorian Geiger, Dorian, what is the new video that has 456 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: been released? Is it her at the ATM? This is 457 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: the first time we've seen that video. We knew that 458 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: video existed, That's the first time I've seen in you know. 459 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: The video is also showing the person of interest, you know, 460 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: with Kier getting in the car leaving, getting to another 461 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: location after the ATM visit. We don't see here get 462 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: out of the car. We see the person of interest 463 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: get out of the passenger side, presumably he later drives 464 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: the vehicle. We do see him emerge from the vehicle 465 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: parking at Akker's house where it is later found coincidentally, 466 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: where Josh Simmons also tipped off the family, where it 467 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: could be sim Okay, hold on, are you telling me 468 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: that it's not Josh Simmons driving in the car with her. 469 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: I can't definitively say, but I think that the connection 470 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: with the fact that we see the person of interest 471 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: get out and we have Josh Simmons telling the family 472 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: where this car is part, I think there's a really 473 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: undeniable connection between you know, the these two parties. You 474 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,959 Speaker 1: got it, so you can't tell if it's sim or not, 475 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: but he knows where the car's part, so it's most 476 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: likely him. Dorian, I'm trying to figure out why the 477 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: cops held onto that video for so long and didn't 478 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: release it, do you know, I think we're all wondering that. 479 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 1: I think, you know, it pays for police to be 480 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: transparent and put out this information so that you can 481 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: have the public assist in trying to locate somebody. Obviously, 482 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: as I'm sure you know, police will play things close 483 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: to their best as an investigative technique in terms of, 484 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: you know, not alerting a person of interest that they 485 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: are being investigated. But it sounds as if this guy 486 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: knows from the beginning he was suspected, and so to me, 487 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense that Chicago police still won't 488 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 1: formally identify this person got it? We don't know, Dorian, 489 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: for trying to nail down something that you were talking about. 490 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: We know at ten forty three pm that night, Kier 491 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: spot on surveillance video making atm withdrawals. These are the 492 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: last images of her that we know about or from 493 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: that evening. Did she drive the car when they left 494 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: or did he drive the car? Presumably she drove the 495 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: car when they left. Okay, so she drove the car 496 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: when they left. What we think is the Walgreen. Did 497 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: she appear on video later that evening. No, When you 498 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: see the person of interest emerge from her vehicle, that 499 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: person is getting out of the passenger side door. We 500 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: don't see any movement or anyone get out of the 501 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: driver's side. Chicago police didn't say what the person of 502 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: interest did after getting out of the vehicle, but I 503 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: think we can presume that person later drove the vehicle 504 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: and you never see her get out. We do not know. 505 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: And Nancy, this is Wendy's what's very troubling about that 506 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: timeline is we're creatures of habit. We park in the 507 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: same place, so somebody close to us knows where we park. 508 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: So to think that if somebody else drove that vehicle 509 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: and parked it in the wrong spot. Is a piece 510 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: of evidence that you know, we call that a bad factor, 511 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: a troubling or a challenging fact. To try to reconcile 512 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: with the rest of this timeline, well, I don't understand this. 513 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: Anybody jump in Karen Wendy, Doctor Angie, Monique Dory and Geiger. 514 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: If you see her driving the car away, then you 515 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: see him getting out. Did she never get out of 516 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: the car? Who was driving? He never return with the car? 517 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: Is the thing? You know? After they left in the car, 518 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: he never returned. When that car retires, she was not 519 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: in there, but he's getting out of the passenger side. 520 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: Who was driving? If she never got out, he must 521 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: have climbed over the feet exactly. Crime Stories with Nancy 522 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: Grace Dorian Geiger. Where was this surveillan's video taken? We 523 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: don't know. Chicago police should say another parking lot in 524 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: a different area of the city. I think what the 525 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: question is here is what transpired inside that vehicle in 526 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: that parking lot that we do not see on surveillance 527 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: footage Because nobody say to be is it just me? 528 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: There's two and two sillyqual four because if she was 529 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: driving the car that night and he was the passenger, 530 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: and then when you see the car again that night, 531 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: he gets out of the passenger side and nobody ever 532 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: gets out of the driver's side. Do I have that 533 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: much right, Karen Phillips, Yeah, and on the on the answer, 534 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: you could get out of that as he climbed over 535 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: the seat, because when he parked it was a gangway, 536 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: so I'm picturing he parked about the gag way. He 537 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: got out on the package back he went through the 538 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: gagway and getting his rad or Webble was waiting for him, 539 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: and nobody else ever got out of the car. Was 540 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: the camera trained on the car? Could you see if 541 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: anybody got out, right? You could see the car, you know, 542 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: I mean you could see that no one ever got 543 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: out of the package. I mean they'll drive it back, 544 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: got it? And is that where the car was ultimately found? Yes, ma'am. 545 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: So nobody ever got back out of the car. Wow, 546 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: there you go, right there, it's taken up. It was 547 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: forty five minutes to figure out that between the Walgreens 548 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: and the car parking. Something happened to Kiara? Is it 549 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: all happening on the same night, Dorian Geiger, correct, Yes, 550 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: so they leave the Walgreens. She's driving, and then that 551 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: same night he gets out of the passenger side and 552 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: nobody ever gets out of the driver's side. Yes, no, yes, 553 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: Karen Phillips, was she happy about the baby. Yes, she 554 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: was my lad child to have a baby. You know, 555 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: she had four other siblies, everyone had kids, but her. 556 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: She was the last one. She was so happy. She'd 557 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: been knew that she was, She had a feeling that 558 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: she was pregnant, but she just wants to wait, you know, 559 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: tougest like let everybody know which I'm like, yo, just no, 560 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: You're gonna wait with everybody else. You know. She was 561 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: so excited, more than like a kid on Christmas. She 562 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: was so excited. Was this her first baby? There was 563 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: the boyfriend happy, the bio dad. Was he happy about 564 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: the baby as far as she told me, he was 565 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: because they planned it before she got back. She's like, 566 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: we've been a plan for a baby. I'm like, but real, 567 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: She's like, yeahctually, like we hopped it over. So you know, 568 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: she went through the little stuffs to you know, doing 569 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: the m population and stuff to know when her eggs 570 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: are read in their stuff and they planned it. Did 571 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: he have children? Did he have any other children? Yes, 572 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: ma'am he had two other children by two different women. 573 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 1: Can they just asked the soul sisters, Mona. Was he 574 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: in any other relationships at the time? Do we know 575 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: of now? Not that my knowledge. And you know me 576 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: and my girls, you know, because it's four of them 577 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: all together through the Key era, we always talked about, 578 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: you know, the relationships and you know, little things mother 579 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: and daughter talk about like as friends. So not to 580 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: my knowledge, Miss Phillips. Did any of your daughters think 581 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: that he was cheating during the pregnancy. No, he Josh 582 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: came off to us as being a very nice gentleman. 583 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: You know, he had custody office other two kids. They 584 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: were living with him, and you know, he went to show, 585 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: she went to work. He was so respectful because Kio 586 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: just then moved out of my house. You'd only been 587 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: like three months. That was dated to teach year. He 588 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: always was respectful when he came or he never raised 589 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: boys that Kiera. You know, they just seem to you 590 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: don't have a normal relationship. Did she move in with 591 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: him when she moved out of your place? Did she 592 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 1: move in with him. No, she did. She moved into 593 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: her own apartment to doctor Angie, doctor Angel Arnold, joining 594 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: us doctor Angel Arnold. The number one cause of death 595 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: of women pregnant women is homicide. It's not heart attack, 596 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 1: stop blood pressure to Trump, it's homicide. And I find 597 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: this very very disturbing. It's very disturbing might and it 598 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: typically it typically there's some intimate partner violence that proceeds 599 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: homicide during her pregnancy. So my question is, I mean, 600 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: I I want to know how well did the mother know? 601 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: And they dated for six years, so that means that 602 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: he had some He probably had some other children while 603 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: he was dating her daughter. How old were his other children? 604 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: This children? The kids were before my daughter when she 605 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: met him. We had two kids. Hey guys, oh, I 606 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our cut twenty two. 607 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: Our friends at wug In, the parents of Kirakles stood 608 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: in Daily Plazda today calling on anyone with information in 609 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: the case to come forward, and viewers might remember the 610 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: Kirakos was three months pregnant when with her first child 611 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: when she went missing back in October second to twenty eighteen. 612 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: She was last seen near her appartment at eighty second 613 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: in Vernon in the Chatham neighborhood. Coles, who was a 614 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: postal worker, was wearing her uniform at the time and 615 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: had called off for shift that day. Her parents are 616 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: desperate to hear from her, telling us they just want 617 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: to know she is okay. I will never give up 618 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: searching for her. We miss we miss a moo, we 619 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: miss a person out to see. We just ready for 620 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: her to come home. We heard every day to talk 621 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: see the stream who played man. You don't know the 622 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,919 Speaker 1: things we're going in right first. I the hardest because 623 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm going through it through most Okay, just know we're 624 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: still here for you right now there is still a 625 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 1: reward of almost fifty thousand dollars in this case. You're 626 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: hearing her father, Joseph Cole's begging for help finding her, 627 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: and of course her mother Karen Phillips, who is with 628 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: us today. Miss Phillips, if you could speak to your 629 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: daughter right now, what would you say, Jeff Um that 630 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: we're not gonna give up. We're gonna get answer to 631 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: you to find it out where Kiera is or find 632 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: it out what happens with here. And I just wanted 633 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: to know we're not gonna stop. We met, Uh, you know, 634 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: I got to path to investigate it now, death and 635 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: a start from the bottom, even though we know it 636 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: for a year later almost I hope Kimbray's lets answer 637 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: what happened to much Chaw. The tip line is three 638 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: one two seven, four seven eight three eight zero. There 639 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: is a forty seven thousand dollar reward to help find 640 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 1: Kiera calls again. No person of interest has been officially 641 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: named by the Chicago Police, no arrests so far in 642 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: this case. Nancy Grace kind of story signing off good 643 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,280 Speaker 1: bye thing