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Speaker 1: Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal. Indeed, we do, of course,

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Speaker 1: lots of big breaking news this week, including of course,

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Speaker 1: we are expecting that former President Trump will be arraigned tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: so we've got all the latest details there, and there

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Speaker 1: is some new news there, both on the legal front

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Speaker 1: into all of that. We also have a new entrant

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Speaker 1: Asa Hutchinson joining the twenty twenty four field. He's the

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Speaker 1: first sort of like out and out anti Trump candidate,

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Speaker 1: so that is interesting. At the same time, Maryan Williamson

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Speaker 1: actually surging in the polls, so we'll break that down

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Speaker 1: his supporters were also injured. We'll break that down for

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Speaker 1: a major victory in their lawsuit against Box News. That

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. In a

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Speaker 1: showing that most Americans don't think Trump should be allowed

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Speaker 1: In terms of the details itself, Trump spent the weekend

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Speaker 1: going and doing time tested strategy going after the not

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Speaker 1: only the Manhattan DA but now the judge, let's go

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Speaker 1: to put this up there on the screen. He writes, quote,

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Speaker 1: the judge assigned to my witch hunt case, a case

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Speaker 1: that has never been charged before, hates me. His name

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Speaker 1: is Juan Manuel march On. We has handpicked by Bragg

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Speaker 1: and the prosecutors, the same person who railroaded my seventy

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Speaker 1: five year old former CFO Alan Weiselberg to take a

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Speaker 1: plea deal plead, not get plead guilty even if you

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Speaker 1: are not ninety days fight us and core ten years

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Speaker 1: life in jail. He strong armed Alan, which is his

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Speaker 1: judge is not allowed to do, and treated my companies

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Speaker 1: which didn't plead viciously. I am appealing. So that just

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Speaker 1: gives you an insight a little bit into the legal strategy.

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Speaker 1: Daily Mail also reporting this morning that Trump is likely

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Speaker 1: to hire a First Amendment lawyer in the case that

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Speaker 1: there is a job gag order that the judge has

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Speaker 1: on the case, both from the Manhattan DA and from

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Speaker 1: Trump himself, which would put him obviously in a difficult

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Speaker 1: position and actually would be legitimately interesting from a First

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Speaker 1: Amendment law perspective. It's like, well, how much of it

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Speaker 1: is criminal, how much of it is in the public interest,

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Speaker 1: and should a defendant be allowed to speak publicly about

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Speaker 1: what's happening? So anyway, also in terms of the details.

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Speaker 1: Here's what you guys need to know about today. Let's

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Speaker 1: go and put this up there on the screen. Trump

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Speaker 1: is going to speak at mar A Lago on the

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Speaker 1: day of the expected arrangement. As we already told you,

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Speaker 1: we will be covering that live here in primetime on

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Speaker 1: the Breaking Points YouTube channel. But today, at exactly noon

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Speaker 1: Eastern time, Trump will be leaving from mar A Lago

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Speaker 1: to the City of New York, where he will reside

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Speaker 1: in Trump Tower while he is there. From that point

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow on Tuesday, around two fifteen pm Eastern Time, he

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Speaker 1: will be taken to the Manhattan Courthouse. They've apparently going

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Speaker 1: to block off the entire street before he is taken

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Speaker 1: and arraigned. Not only rained, but it's likely he'll be processed,

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Speaker 1: mugshot will be taken, etc. So all of those proceedings

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Speaker 1: will be happening tomorrow, But the initial transfer to the

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Speaker 1: state of New York, to the City of New York,

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Speaker 1: where Trump will reside for a single night before returning

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Speaker 1: tomorrow Lago on the day of, is all going to

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Speaker 1: happen today. It is likely that he will take questions

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Speaker 1: and possibly speak to the press at that time, Monitoring

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Speaker 1: that right now very closely. What, of course, what Trump

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Speaker 1: is doing is he's turning this all to a show.

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Speaker 1: Why do I even know all of these times off

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Speaker 1: the top of my head, because he tells us, He's like,

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Speaker 1: I'll be there, be there at noon, just so that

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Speaker 1: the cameras can come, they can set up, they have

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Speaker 1: a press thing. You know. Also, invitations have been going

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Speaker 1: out to MAGA allies from across the country to mar

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Speaker 1: A Lago to join him at the press conference. In

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Speaker 1: a Republican strow of show of strength. They're saying, we

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Speaker 1: welcome and we are excited and welcome to host you

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Speaker 1: here at Marlow. They're turning it into a major your

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Speaker 1: campaign event. And you know, given the amount of money

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Speaker 1: that they are now making off this, why wouldn't they

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Speaker 1: At the same time, Crystal, people like Jim Banks, the

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Speaker 1: prospective senator from Indiana, the congressman who's a MAGA person,

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Speaker 1: endorsed Trump in the middle of the indiability Stephonic and

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Speaker 1: others know majorly coming to his defense. Lots of MAGA

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Speaker 1: ally Sarah Huckoby Sanders, who apparently refused to endorse Trump

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Speaker 1: initially coming out to his defense, not necessarily endorsing so

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Speaker 1: you know, the coalescing around Trump all continues. And let's

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Speaker 1: go to the next one here too, though, because the

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Speaker 1: legal jeopardy that Trump faces is not just in this

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Speaker 1: case as he kept alluding to, it continues in many

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Speaker 1: of the other cases. So right now the Justice Department

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Speaker 1: and the FBI have actually amassed new evidence. This is

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Speaker 1: according to the Washington Post, pointing to possible obstruction of

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Speaker 1: justice by Trump in the Classified Documents investigation. They are

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Speaker 1: increasingly suspect that Trump actually went through the boxes after

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Speaker 1: his subpoena. Similarly, there was a report this morning from

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Speaker 1: Brett bayer over at Fox News that several of a

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Speaker 1: secret SRVIS agents who are on the detail for Trump

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Speaker 1: are going to be subpoenaed and are going to be

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Speaker 1: brought before a grand jury or brought before investigators where

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Speaker 1: they will be asked specifically whether they witness Trump going

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Speaker 1: through the documents with the handling of said documents and

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Speaker 1: all that. That's before the Special Council Jacksmith and all

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Speaker 1: of us leaves aside the other investigation into January sixth

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Speaker 1: with Mike Pence is now being asked to testify before

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Speaker 1: and then, of course the Fulty Fulton County investigation where

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Speaker 1: after we met the kookie for woman, it's been silence

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Speaker 1: over there. Yeah, I know what's going on, right They

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Speaker 1: locked it down over there. Well they should have been

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Speaker 1: after whatever the hell happened over there. So there you go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I mean, yes, it is going to be quite

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Speaker 1: a ride here. I think this is the first of

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Speaker 1: a number of charges that Trump is likely to face,

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Speaker 1: but we'll have to see how that all unfolds. The

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Speaker 1: last thing that I want to say on this put

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Speaker 1: this last piece up on the screen, is that, you know,

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Speaker 1: let's keep in mind we don't know exactly what the

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Speaker 1: charges are going to be. We don't know how wide

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Speaker 1: ranging they're going to be. As well. There's reporting Michael

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Speaker 1: Cohen provided Manhattan prosecutors with documentation about a Trump hush

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Speaker 1: money payment to a second woman, expectations that would be

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Speaker 1: Karen McDougal, though we don't know for sure who claims

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Speaker 1: to have had an affair with him. That's according to

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Speaker 1: Lanny Davis. That's what he told CNN. That is Michael

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Speaker 1: Cohen's lawyer. That suggests that Alvin Bragg's case could be

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Speaker 1: broader than the storm Meet Daniels payment. So We'll have

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Speaker 1: to wait and see exactly what is contained in these charges.

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Speaker 1: How many are there? Thirty five five thirty five different counts, which,

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Speaker 1: as Soccer pointed out before, you know, each individual payment

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Speaker 1: to Michael Cohen, because it didn't come in one lump sum,

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Speaker 1: would be one count. But is there you know, are

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Speaker 1: there additional charges related to the Karen McDougall affair. Is

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Speaker 1: there stuff in there that we don't even know about?

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Speaker 1: That certainly possible as well. So we'll have to wait

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Speaker 1: and see. We'll be watching with a lot of interest

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Speaker 1: to see the specifics of the charges and what the name.

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Speaker 1: Some insight into that. I actually spoke the former federal

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Speaker 1: prosecutor and one of the things that they said is

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Speaker 1: that that is kind of a mob played book. It's

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Speaker 1: one of the ways that they will inflate the number

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Speaker 1: of charges against the suspect if they really really want

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Speaker 1: to go after them, is do the multiple count charges

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Speaker 1: instead of the all encompassing charge. Its actually up to

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Speaker 1: a prosecutorial discretion in terms of how you do that.

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Speaker 1: They're like, look, clearly this you know they're trying to

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Speaker 1: throw the book, and this is what throwing the book

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Speaker 1: look trying to make a big show. Yeah. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: it's a fun number. They were a big show too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: everybody's like thirty. Everybody listen, life is a show. Wwe

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Speaker 1: apparently just got bought. So you know, we could all

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Speaker 1: learn a little bit from what happens in that, not

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Speaker 1: to say that it isn't real. Of course, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about Asa Hutchinson, all right. Never before has Asa Hutchinson

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Speaker 1: been so teased as we have in this show for

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Speaker 1: the big announcement. He is, former Arkansas governor is in

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Speaker 1: fact running for president, seeking the Republican primary nomination. Let's

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. The New York Times

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Speaker 1: had an interview with him. They say, Asa Hutchinson announces

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Speaker 1: presidential bid. The former governor of Arkansas, prominent Trump critic

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Speaker 1: within the Republican Party, has been testing the waters in Iowa. Now.

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Speaker 1: To give you a sense of Asa Hutchinson, he's kind

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Speaker 1: of like politically, I would put him in like the

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence Lane, very socially conservative, certainly like led the

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Speaker 1: charge after Sandy Hook in partnership with the NRA to

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Speaker 1: make sure that absolutely no gun legislation passed, was involved

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Speaker 1: in passing a complete abortion ban within his state when

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Speaker 1: he served as governor. So this is a very like,

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Speaker 1: you know, certainly conservative right, hard right figure in terms

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Speaker 1: of his politics, but in terms of critiquing Trump, he's

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Speaker 1: been one of the more vocal folks out there. And

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Speaker 1: unlike an you know, Desantists or Nikki Haliy or whoever

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Speaker 1: take occasionally these little passive aggressive jobs at Trump, Asa

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Speaker 1: Hutchinson is not afraid to make a full throated case

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Speaker 1: against Trump and some of the actions that he's taken.

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Speaker 1: He's really the first kind of explicitly anti Trump figure

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Speaker 1: to enter the race here. Larry Hogan took a pass.

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Speaker 1: Liz Cheney so far has not you know, stepped up

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Speaker 1: to jump in here. So he is the one who's

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Speaker 1: the most vocal in terms of his critique of Trump.

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Speaker 1: He says that he said, mister Trump and those who

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Speaker 1: supported his efforts to overturn the results of the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty election should not have positions of power. He stood

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Speaker 1: against the RNC censure of former Representative Liz Cheney and

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Speaker 1: Adam Kinziger of Illinois for servings the only two Republicans

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Speaker 1: on the House committee investigating the January sixth attacks. He

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Speaker 1: called Trump's election denial a quote recipe for disaster for

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Speaker 1: the party, and he was one of the few Republicans

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Speaker 1: to issue a statement after Trump's reported indictment last week

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Speaker 1: that did not dismiss the charges as political. So he

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Speaker 1: thinks there's a lane for someone to be hard right

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Speaker 1: on the issues but explicitly anti Trump and sort of

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Speaker 1: like you know, in the resistance vein in terms of

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Speaker 1: his Trump critique, and so he is stepping into that

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Speaker 1: race to filled out wide. You know, the thing is

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Speaker 1: about Hutchinson's that, as you said, he is socially conservative

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Speaker 1: in some ways at the same time actually become a

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Speaker 1: villain on the right because he vetoed a bill banning

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Speaker 1: so called Oh yeah, I forgot about that. He's actually

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of a libertarian. I would describe

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Speaker 1: him as like a libertarian traditional three legged stool conservative,

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Speaker 1: like a fiscally conservative, socially conservative in the old way

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Speaker 1: but not necessarily in the new way. And then also

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Speaker 1: anti Trump, more of a Reagan esque. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: does his candidacy matter. Maybe, I mean it will be

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Speaker 1: a fun test of somebody, like it will be a

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Speaker 1: fun test of the ceiling on the Liz Cheney vote.

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Speaker 1: Inside of the GOP. Second, you can guarantee, as you know,

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Speaker 1: he was on Meet the Press, and he was all

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Speaker 1: over the he was all over the Washington Press Corps

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Speaker 1: with his announcement. But in terms of you know, in

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Speaker 1: terms of his reception amongst the GOP base and others like,

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Speaker 1: there has just been very limited bounce from any of this.

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Speaker 1: A you know, he's the former governor of Arkansas, be

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Speaker 1: Sarah Sanders is actually a vocal critic of him, and

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Speaker 1: many others are inside of Arkansas. So the extent to

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Speaker 1: which he would have any real political constituency is basically

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Speaker 1: non existent. Now. I don't even know if they've done

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Speaker 1: any polls which include his name. I was. I don't

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Speaker 1: see anyway in terms of the in terms of the

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Speaker 1: people who have name I D and who are anti Trump,

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Speaker 1: Pompeo usually rates at like three percent. Mike Pence is

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Speaker 1: always the highest. He's at seven, and he's a very

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a very consistent seven almost across every

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Speaker 1: GOP poll that we look, like, Nicky Haley is between

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Speaker 1: one and two percent. Ramaswami does not even come to

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Speaker 1: one percent. And uh yeah, so aha, Hutchinson, We'll see

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Speaker 1: for those of you who are watching succession, he's like

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Speaker 1: a Connor Roy type figure. I am not I have

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Speaker 1: no idea what that means, but I'm just looking at

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Speaker 1: these polls. I'm looking at a real clear politics, and

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Speaker 1: you know, they've got their tracker of where everybody is

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Speaker 1: and taking all the different polls into account and averaging them.

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Speaker 1: He I don't somebody has certainly pulled his name, but

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Speaker 1: he's not listed among the polls that they have here.

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Speaker 1: And to give you a sense of the potential support,

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Speaker 1: Liz Cheney is at two percent in the average of

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Speaker 1: polls here. So taking the explicit anti Trump lane, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean politically is basically like everybody else in the

645
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Speaker 1: field more or less, but probably actually worse than Trump

646
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: on the politics because he probably supports cutting social care

647
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Speaker 1: bat care that I don't know that for sure, he

648
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Speaker 1: absolutely will, Okay, So anyway, he's That's why I put

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Speaker 1: him kind of the Mike Pence lane in terms of

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Speaker 1: his actual political ideology. But I think the fact that

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Speaker 1: Liz Cheney is at two percent in these polls when

652
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Speaker 1: her whole brand at this point is basically being anti Trump,

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00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: shows you how much appetite there is for this type

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Speaker 1: of politics in the Republican with the Republican primary electorate

655
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Speaker 1: at this point. So anyway, that's Asa Hutchinson, that's the

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Speaker 1: bet he's making, That's how he wants to have an

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Speaker 1: impact on this race. And I guess we will see

658
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Speaker 1: what the voters have to say about that soccer, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we will. At the same time, I can't help but

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Speaker 1: notice that Asa Hutchinson, who has zero chance of being

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Speaker 1: the Republican nominee, is pulling it nothing in currently in

662
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Speaker 1: the Republican primary, is getting lots of media attention. Meanwhile,

663
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Speaker 1: the only declared Democrat in the race, because remember Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden hasn't even declared that he's running for president, has

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Speaker 1: been almost completely shut out. And Mary and Williamson, I

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Speaker 1: gotta say, she's got a little bit of a bump

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Speaker 1: in the polls here. That's kind of noteworthy. And does

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Speaker 1: I don't want to overstate things whatsoever, and I don't

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Speaker 1: want to be naive about any of this, but does

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Speaker 1: have some echoes into the early rise of Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 1: back in twenty sixteen. Let's put this up on the

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Speaker 1: screen from Newsweek. The headline here is Mary and Williamson

673
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Speaker 1: making gains against Joe Biden. New poll suggests. So the

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Speaker 1: very first poll that had her name in it, she

675
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Speaker 1: was at four percent, and just a few weeks later

676
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Speaker 1: she's now made it into double digits. She's at ten percent.

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Speaker 1: That's actually almost exactly the same trajectory of Bertie early

678
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Speaker 1: in the race. His very first poll was four percent,

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Speaker 1: and then a few weeks later he hit ten percent,

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Speaker 1: and then he went up from there. Obviously, the dynamics

681
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Speaker 1: are very different because you're talking about comment president. On

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Speaker 1: the other hand, it is effectively a head to head,

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Speaker 1: one on one. So you know, it's interesting that clearly,

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Speaker 1: even as she's been nearly completely shut out by the media,

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Speaker 1: voters are hearing something from her that is making them

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Speaker 1: interested in an alternative. And the other thing I'll say

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Speaker 1: Sager here is well, I certainly think it is a

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Speaker 1: longest of long shots to imagine that Marian could actually

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Speaker 1: supplant Biden. I think she is being a bit underestimated.

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Speaker 1: People forget that this was a woman who was, you know,

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Speaker 1: a national figure, a best selling author in her own

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Speaker 1: right before she ever took up politics. So there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of I can't tell you how many people

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Speaker 1: I've talked to who's like mom and Grandma loves Mary

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Speaker 1: and Williamson. So she has that. And then you also

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Speaker 1: just have Biden is making a lot of mistakes now

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Speaker 1: with regard to the progressive base. People are very upset

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Speaker 1: with him on a number of issues, and you have

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Speaker 1: a majority of the Democratic base that is saying they

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Speaker 1: would like someone other than Joe Biden. So there is

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Speaker 1: clearly an organic interest in alternative candidate. So I think

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Speaker 1: to just dismiss her out of hand or to shut

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Speaker 1: her out of the media as they have is kind

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Speaker 1: of outrageous and it shows you that, you know, the

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Speaker 1: thing that they really look for is number one candidates

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Speaker 1: who are going to say the things that make them

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Speaker 1: comfortable and that also have the sort of like in

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Speaker 1: the club credentialing that the corporate press. You know that

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Speaker 1: the corporate press esteems and takes seriously. Yeah, look, I

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Speaker 1: mean ten percent, as you said, look it's a long shot,

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Speaker 1: it's always going to be difficult taking on and come

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Speaker 1: to president. That is still pretty high. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you consider what an insurgent candidate would look like, that's

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Speaker 1: higher than everybody, than DeSantis and the higher Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: is higher than everybody but Ron DeSantis in the Republican primary,

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Speaker 1: they get plenty of media coverage. It's higher than Andrew

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Speaker 1: Yang ever got in any major Democratic poll, So it's

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Speaker 1: not nothing. And at the very least, well, if they

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Speaker 1: allow a debate to happen, that would qualify you for

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Speaker 1: the debate stage, which is I believe old what was

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Speaker 1: the old metric? You have to be polling at least

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Speaker 1: two percent, something like the SAX amount per money. I

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Speaker 1: doubt she would have any problem with the money, So okay,

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Speaker 1: polling wise, I mean she at least she at least

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Speaker 1: checks the box to what she was, much more so

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Speaker 1: than what she held in the twenty twenty primary. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. Probably anything else to say about it, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think again the media piece of this, it really

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Speaker 1: irritates me because think of how much press Nikki Hiley

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Speaker 1: has gotten with tons. Yeah, and she's at what three

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Speaker 1: maybe four percent on a good day in the polls,

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Speaker 1: and it reminds me very much of last time around

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty in the Democratic primary, in which candidates

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Speaker 1: they took seriously as real contenters and which ones they

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Speaker 1: completely tried to dismiss because Andrew Yang. Obviously at the

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Speaker 1: beginning they tried to completely bl blackout they'd like him,

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Speaker 1: get his name wrong. They just like leave him out

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Speaker 1: of poles because they didn't want to talk about him.

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Speaker 1: When he was out polling some of their darling Bato

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Speaker 1: and Commlin whatever, he'd be pulling ahead of them, but

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Speaker 1: they just pretend like he didn't exist. And so so

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Speaker 1: it's partly they take credentials as gospel number one and

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Speaker 1: number two like this particular type of DC credentials by

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Speaker 1: the way, and number two they don't want a platform

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Speaker 1: anyone who's going to say anything that they find to

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Speaker 1: be uncomfortable. Everybody knows I'm friends with Marian. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a disinterested party here. And so I also have some

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Speaker 1: insight into the fact MSNBC, which is supposed to be

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Speaker 1: like the progressive lean left what I lean forward network.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that she's gotten a maybe she's gotten

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Speaker 1: one request wow from MSNBC, whereas Fox News is beaten

752
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: down her door. So again it shows you who they

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Speaker 1: decide to elevate and who they decide to try to quash.

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Speaker 1: The one thing that I will say, which I think

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Speaker 1: is a real positive, is every year that goes by

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Speaker 1: the mainstream corporate media gets less and less powerful, and

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00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: they have less control over what people think and what

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Speaker 1: people see and what people hear and what ideas they're

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Speaker 1: open to. And so I think that's why you see

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Speaker 1: some bump here in the Marianneah, it's certainly very interesting. Oh,

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Speaker 1: let's go on to a very troubling piece of news

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Speaker 1: out of Russia. A prominent pro Russian military blogger, Vladen Tatarski,

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Speaker 1: whose real name was Maxim Fomen, has been killed by

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Speaker 1: a blast in a cafe in Petersburg where he was

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Speaker 1: giving a talk. We have a little bit of video

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Speaker 1: from this incident, just a warning. It is obviously, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a scene from a war where basically there's a

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Speaker 1: massive explosion in the middle of Saint Petersburg's put this

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen. We'll play it for the

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Speaker 1: audience for those who are just watching. You can see

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Speaker 1: how the cafe just gets completely blown out. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean he was killed by the explosion. We don't

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Speaker 1: know quite a bit about the details, crystal, about any

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Speaker 1: collateral damage or although, but clearly it was a targeted

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Speaker 1: terrorist attack. Now in terms of the reports about who

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Speaker 1: and how he received the bomb. It appears to be,

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Speaker 1: or at least the reports coming out out of Russia,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I always take these with a grain

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Speaker 1: of salt, is that a woman brought the bomb to

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Speaker 1: a meeting and hit it inside of a figurine, presenting

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Speaker 1: it to Tatarski as a gift before he was then

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Speaker 1: blown up and killed by figurian of himself, by the way, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: figurine of himself, which is you know, that's that's pretty savage, brutal.

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Speaker 1: So in terms of the details and others, I know

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Speaker 1: that you've been speaking to our friend Igor, who is

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Speaker 1: inside of Russia and who can analyze some of the

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Speaker 1: Russian media for us. What does he have to say? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so shout out to Yegor Kotkin. You can follow him

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Speaker 1: on I think he's got a substack and certainly a Patreon,

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Speaker 1: so this analysis all comes direct from him. So in

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Speaker 1: terms of who this dude was, he was one of

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Speaker 1: these very prominent military bloggers. He had over half a

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Speaker 1: million subscribers. I guess they call him on telegram, and

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Speaker 1: he was one of the more sort of like violent,

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Speaker 1: psychopathic of the military bloggers. Now, according to Yegor, there

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Speaker 1: are people who are more ghoulish in his words, but

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Speaker 1: they're almost all anonymous. So he's the most prominent, like known, outspoken,

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Speaker 1: very aggressive military blogger. He's one of these who he's

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Speaker 1: not a direct Kremlin mouthpiece, so he has been critical

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Speaker 1: from the right like he at times of the Kremlin,

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Speaker 1: like the once War, brutality in the war, more violence

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Speaker 1: in the war, et cetera. He's actually from the Donbas region,

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Speaker 1: and before the most recent revolution in Ukraine and the

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Speaker 1: start of this latest separatist war, he was actually in

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Speaker 1: prison for robbery in eastern Ukraine, so that's kind of

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Speaker 1: his backstory here. You know, listen, it is very likely

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Speaker 1: that this was done by Ukrainians in a very similar

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Speaker 1: manner as what we saw the you know, a previous

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Speaker 1: outspoken pro war figure who was killed about a year ago,

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Speaker 1: and there really is no alternative explanation for the way

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Speaker 1: that she was blown up. It's most likely that it

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Speaker 1: was the Ukrainians. You can't rule out that it was

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Speaker 1: the FSB because this guy has been critical. Now, the

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Speaker 1: reason that Jegor says he is more suspicious of the

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Speaker 1: Ukrainians is because it's not just you took this guy

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Speaker 1: out it's you took him out in a cafe with

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Speaker 1: a lot of other pro war He was there giving

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Speaker 1: a talk to a lot of other you know, pro

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Speaker 1: war Russians who came to hear what he had to say.

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Speaker 1: So you're not only killing him, you're killing, maiming, injuring,

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Speaker 1: and potentially killing other bystanders who are pro war. And

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Speaker 1: you're doing it in a cafe in Saint Petersburg, which

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Speaker 1: is the birthplace of Ladimir Putin. Yeah, so there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of symbolism here that suggests it's probably more likely

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Speaker 1: to be the Ukrainians than FSB. But again, you don't

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Speaker 1: want to entirely rule it out. So that's kind of

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Speaker 1: the way that he is viewing this whole situation, which

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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it makes sense, and we already know, you

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Speaker 1: know that the U. I mean, look, most of us

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Speaker 1: can already guess three months from now seeing and honestly

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Speaker 1: source New York Times article Wars as like, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: it might have been elements of the Ukrainian state, but

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Speaker 1: Zelenski never knew about it, and US involvement was never there.

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Speaker 1: The CIA, of course, had nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if any of that is I mean,

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Speaker 1: it is troubling whenever the stuff stuff is happening. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just imagine if somebody was killed in downtown like New

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Speaker 1: York City or in downtown Washington, people would be outraged

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Speaker 1: and up in arms, and they would really want to

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Speaker 1: know and get to the bottom of it. Now, of course,

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Speaker 1: look like they are waging a brutal war in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they don't deserve it. What I'm saying, though,

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Speaker 1: is that all of this is just embroiling in a

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Speaker 1: situation which we may not be able to control. That's

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Speaker 1: really what the dangerous part of it is. Going back

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Speaker 1: to the assassination of Dugan's daughter on Russian soil, the

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Speaker 1: bombing of the Crimean Bridge and now here the bomb

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Speaker 1: blast in downtown Saint Petersburg in a cafe in a Sunday.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love how Reuters phrased it too. The

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Speaker 1: second assassination on Russian soil of a figure closely closely

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Speaker 1: associated with the war in Ukraine. As you also said,

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Speaker 1: I did some more reading. I mean, one of the

854
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: things is who would kill him inside of Russia? Like

855
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: you said, Sure, it could be the FSB, but the

856
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: FSB buy and large. You know, they're allowed in general

857
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: in Russian society. They seem to be okay with allowing

858
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: criticism from the right, from the more pro the war wing,

859
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: so they can be like, look, we're being responsible. See

860
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: like all these craziest wants to do this, we're not

861
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: actually doing that. From the left though, there are all

862
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: these horrific stories of anti war protesters and college students

863
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: getting sentenced to years in Russian for like retweeting criticism

864
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: of the war. So you can see which way law

865
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: enforcement is. It's almost entirely geared towards the anti war movement,

866
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: not towards the pro movement. Initially, when the Dugan assassination happened,

867
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: I've speculated, I was like, look, it's possible, you know,

868
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: like maybe they wanted to take him out. But you know,

869
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: as all the intel and the reporting came forward, it

870
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: looked pretty clear that it was a Ukrainian attack, and

871
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, given the circumstances, I guess you can't rule

872
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: it out. At the same time, look, you know these movements,

873
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: these have internacing stupid conflicts all the time. You know,

874
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: these revolutionary type paramilitary organizations where they kill each other,

875
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: so you can't rule that out either. But troubling nonetheless,

876
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: because you can bet that the Russian government already, you know,

877
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: they're already pointing the finger. At least some figures are

878
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: at Ukraine, and many of them and especially inside of

879
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: the Dunboss where the war is going on, they're all

880
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: like it was Ukraine's fault and this guy was already

881
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: from there, so they could have used as a retaliatory attack. Yeah,

882
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: the last detail here, even the cafe, like so much

883
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: of this seems to have been very intentionally chosen for

884
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: its symbolism, which is what led Yegor to feel more

885
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: suspicious that it was the Ukrainians than any of the

886
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: potential other explanations. Another piece of the symbolism here is

887
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: this cafe apparently has ties to the leader of the

888
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: Wagner group, and so you know, if it was the

889
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: FSBU wanted to assassinate this guy, you'd more likely do

890
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: like poison. You know, there wouldn't be this blowback with

891
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: because this was obviously directed at him, but the audience

892
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: was a target in a way as well, So would

893
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: you really be targeting your own civilians who are supportive

894
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: of your war effort. That can instill fear in the

895
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: broader population of even you know, like going to any

896
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: of these talks and you know, doing sort of like

897
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: public support for the Russian war effort here. So those

898
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: are some of the pieces that make it not make

899
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: so much sense from the FSB potential perspective. But again,

900
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: you just really never can be one hundred percent sure. Yeah,

901
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: exactly right. We've got some updates here for you with

902
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: regard to Dominion's lawsuit against Fox News, and I got

903
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: to tell you right now, it sure looks like they

904
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: got the upper hand. Significant ruling from a Delaware judge

905
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: that came out on Friday, and long story short, this

906
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: thing is set to go to trial, and some of

907
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: the pieces of Fox's potential defense have also been ruled out.

908
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: The judge basically saying, it is not disputable that what

909
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: you were putting on air was You can't argue that

910
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was clearly wrong. It was clearly a

911
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: misstatement of fact. So that piece of your defense you're

912
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: not going to be able to go with that leaves

913
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: and let's goad and put this report up on the

914
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: screen that the ap headline is Judge Dominion defamation case

915
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: against Fox will go to trial and reminder Dominions suing

916
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: Fox for one point six billion dollars. This judge ruled

917
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: that it was quote crystal clear that none of the

918
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: allegations made by Trump allies and Fox in the weeks

919
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: after the election were true. So now what Fox is

920
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: going to have to argue in front of a jury

921
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: is that they did not show actual malice. That's the

922
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: legal standard that is required for Dominion to prove in

923
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: order to actually win this case. And the definition of

924
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: actual malice is that they had to have known it

925
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: was false or acted with a reckless disregard for whether

926
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: or not it was true. And of course, SAG we

927
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: have seen some of those internal messages already that certainly

928
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: seemed to indicate that at least some people at Fox

929
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: knew that what was being put on the air at

930
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: times was total bullshit, and yet they went along with

931
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: it anyway. So actual malice a very difficult standard to prove, though,

932
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: because in some ways you have to get into someone's

933
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: like inner thoughts and mentality in order to show definitively

934
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: that they knew this was false and they did it anyways,

935
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: so that is a task that is ahead of them. Yes,

936
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 1: that's right. On its face, it seems like a difficult one.

937
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: But also, guys, this is a Delaware jury. So look,

938
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: from what I heard I asked around people inside a

939
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: fox are deeply unhappy with this ruling. They had been

940
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: holding out on a settlement specifically to see if they

941
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: would be able to get not only if they were

942
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: going to go to trial, but if they could go

943
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 1: to trial in the way that they wanted, because now

944
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: they are not talking about the facts of the case,

945
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: they are only talking about actual malice, and with the

946
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: actual malice standard, the fact that they have text messages

947
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: that showed consternation within also the overall branding of that

948
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: they are either going to have to settle for a

949
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: massive number. Dominion feels very confident going into this legally

950
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: that they will prevail, and so they are either going

951
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: to have to pay very close to what the initial

952
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: lawsuit is, or they're going to have to take it

953
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: all the way to the jury and basically roll the

954
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: dice where if they're going to pay a billion or whatever,

955
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: then they might as well drag it through court and

956
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: make it as long as possible. But yeah, overall, you

957
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: can make no mistake like the Murdochs and Fox News

958
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: and all of them are very very upset about this ruling.

959
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: Don't forget. I mean that is almost equivalent to an

960
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: entire year of profit within the network. About a billion

961
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: is what they make in profit overall. Ear flap on

962
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: the rest, it's not nothing, yeah, exactly, So you know,

963
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: from they're already facing financial problems because of just diminishing advertising,

964
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: not specific to Fox, the entire cable network. On top

965
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: of their overall business is literally on the backs of

966
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: geriatrics who are dying, you know, no offense to them,

967
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: but just natural aerial table. And so the long term

968
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: prospects of their network's not great. Fox Nation is already

969
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: also not going great. They have a high burn rate

970
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: in terms of cash with acquisitions, and then on top

971
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: of that they might have to pay now over a

972
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: billion dollars. So not good times for the Murdoch family

973
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: right now. They are paying a billion. I think at

974
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: this point, no matter what, it's only a question of

975
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: what the margins are. I think that is probably correct.

976
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: And they've also kind of placed a bit of a

977
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: bet on rhnd De Santis in the Republican primary. I

978
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,439
Speaker 1: don't think that BET is really working out thus far. Now,

979
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean they want to switch horses here the

980
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: moment that they feel that they have to. I do

981
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: want to say, you know, read the Fox statement here,

982
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: just for the lawyer's sake. In a statement, they told

983
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: the AP that Fox will continue to fiercely advocate for

984
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: the rights of free speech and a free press as

985
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: we move into the next phase of these proceedings. So

986
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: they're framing this as a First Amendment free speech issue,

987
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: which in a sense it certainly is. But yeah, I

988
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: think they have the fact that you have such explicit

989
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: statements from so many of these Fox hosts and producers

990
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: makes things difficult. There were also some other details that

991
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: were in this report that underscores again the difficult landscape

992
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: they face. In particular, Dominion went at length through you know,

993
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: they fact checked all of the claims that were being

994
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: made on Fox, and they sent emails to basically everyone

995
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: within the organization, some like thirteen hundred emails that they

996
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: sent out, so literally thousands within the Fox organization of

997
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: here's where you're wrong and here's what the actual facts are.

998
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: So pretend to pretend like oh, we had no idea.

999
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: That makes it difficult. And then within Fox News itself

1000
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: they have a fact checking operation internally called the brain Room,

1001
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: I think, and they had done their own fact checking

1002
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: of some of the election fraud claims and basically debunked it.

1003
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: All that also would have gone out and been available

1004
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: to all of the shows. So to claim that oh,

1005
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: we really belie leave this, or we really had no

1006
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: idea and this was just like an innocent mistake, I

1007
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 1: think is going to be difficult to convince a jury

1008
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: of that at this point. Oh, it's going to be

1009
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: a big cering be difficult to convince me at this

1010
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: point that that was the case. Yeah, of course, it'd

1011
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: be difficult for I think for anybody. And like I said,

1012
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: taking then the account of a Delaware jury, so you

1013
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: already have a disproportionately liberal audio, a liberal jury pool

1014
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: which is hate Fox News. So you put all that

1015
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: together and I would be very scared if they were

1016
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: Lord this is it's not existential, but business wise, I mean,

1017
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: this is a big, big problem, and very legally, they

1018
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 1: also are going to have to drag their asses through

1019
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: court and they are going to try and fight this,

1020
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: you know, to the end, because even if they do lose,

1021
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: you can appeal it, and there's caps on the amount

1022
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: of payment, damages, et cetera, that all of it can

1023
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: come to is So it's not like Dominion is going

1024
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: to be getting paid. But this is a big drain

1025
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: reputationally and financially at the end of the day. The

1026
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: Murdocks never really cared about the reputation of Fox, you know,

1027
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: as a journalistic organization, or they cared about the money.

1028
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: This was always a money project and it's been tremendously

1029
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: successful over the years. That doesn't mean though that they're

1030
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: not stupid and they can't see the future. And this

1031
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: very much is going to just at the very least

1032
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: limit the amount of cash available for operating expenses, hurting

1033
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: their profit. Yeah, and all that that you know, they

1034
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: own not just Fox, they all News Corp, all of

1035
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: these different places which they remain responsible for. I mean,

1036
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: mine it is a money making venture at bottom. But

1037
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: I think actually, sort of uniquely to the cable news network,

1038
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: it was explicitly set up as an ideological project as well,

1039
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: and that comes through in some of the messages here too,

1040
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: Like I think it was Murdoch who messaged like, all right, well,

1041
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 1: let's just try to put the election stuff high. Let's

1042
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: focus really hard on Georgia and do everything we can

1043
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: to help Republicans there on paraphrasing, and this weren't the

1044
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: exact words, but it was like very explicit, like, we

1045
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: want Republicans to win in Georgia and we're going to

1046
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: do everything we can. Now, listen, do the other two

1047
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: cable news networks also push hard for Democrats? Yes? I

1048
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: don't even know that it makes a difference to make

1049
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: this distinction at this point, those two really did just follow,

1050
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: like the money sort of led them into the liberal

1051
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: positioning that they're in now. With Fox, it was set

1052
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: up originally as an explicitly ideological project. I do think

1053
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: that that relates to another thing that comes through in

1054
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: the messages here, which is they were really quite terrified

1055
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: of the rise of Newsmax, in particular during the election fraud,

1056
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: Stop the steal Peak, news Max was getting hundreds of

1057
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: thousands of viewers and Fox was falling off a cliff.

1058
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: And you know, these things can turn really quickly. Even

1059
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: with all of the years and the money and the

1060
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: investment and the brand name and everything that Fox has

1061
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: going for them. They really perceived Newsmax as a sort

1062
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: of existential threat, and so that caused them, even as

1063
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: there was some desire in the beginning to rebut Trump's claims,

1064
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 1: that really caused them to make a U turn, it appears,

1065
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: and go in the other direction because they were so

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Speaker 1: fearful of the audience, which they no longer had control over,

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00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: which I also think is just revealing in terms of

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00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: the cable news landscape. There was this idea in the

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00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: Republican primary, Fox's pick DeSantis, that's going to be great

1070
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: for him. They're going to be able to promote him

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00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: and push him over the finish line. But they don't

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00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: have that. If they ever had that kind of control

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00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: over the Republican base, they definitely do not have that

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00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: kind of control anymore. Oh absolutely. I recommend people go

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00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: and read called The Loudest Voice in the Room. It's

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00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: a biography of Roger Rail's but it's about the history

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00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: and the founding of Fox News. I always found it

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00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: very interesting just to see exactly, as you said, the

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00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: power that they once had not that long ago, we're

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00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: talking about ten years ago. In twenty two, they were

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00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: king makers. Yeah, for the Tea Party for the twenty

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00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: twelve the whole decision behind the scenes about Rommy. They

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00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: even had a meeting. Murdoch at one point was flirting

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00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: with Obama because his wife at the time liked Obama,

1085
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: and so they were like, well, maybe little broker pieced.

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00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: Obama took this meeting, you know, very seriously. He saw

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00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: Fox's number one enemy. It's just it's not like that anymore. Yeah.

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00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: With the Internet, all of that has changed for the

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00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: better because at least people like us can exist. Yeah, okay, indeed,

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00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: all right, we got some elon moves. We got to

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00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: report here. Okay, So, as we covered previously, as of

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00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: April first, everyone was basically all the legacy blue check

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00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: marks were allegedly going to lose their checks That did

1094
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: not happen. However, one very prominent organization did lose their

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00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: check mark on that day. That would be The New

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00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: York Times. Put this up on the screen. The New

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00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: York Times and a number of other outlets and celebrities

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00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: came out and explicitly said, we are not going to

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00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: pay for Twitter verification. We're not going to pay for

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00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: it for our organization. We're not going to pay for

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00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: it for our journalists. We're just going to go without.

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00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: We are dead set against going for the pay to

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00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: play Twitter check mark situation. So Elon sees this, he

1104
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 1: replies to someone on Twitter and says, oh, okay, we'll

1105
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: take it off then, and then he goes on to

1106
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: say the New York Times being incredibly hypocritical here, as

1107
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: they are super aggressive about forcing everyone to pay their subscription.

1108
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that those analogies really a hold up,

1109
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: but anyway, that is that's his take. So as far

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00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: as I know, everyone else has maintained so far their

1111
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 1: legacy blue check mark. But New York Times now looks

1112
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: like this. Put this up on the screen. They are

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00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: checkmark lists for their main account anyway, mark of shame.

1114
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: A bunch of their journalists and even some of their

1115
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: other like I don't know, New York Times Business or

1116
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 1: whatever Twitter accounts still have their check marks, but it's

1117
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: it is. I can't help but be amused by the

1118
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: fact that the paper of Record is the one account

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00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: that had their check mark stripped. Oh you can't help,

1120
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: but you can't help, but just absolutely love the entire thing.

1121
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: But washing your post. Put out a statement this morning, Crystal,

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00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: I'll have you know, saying that their journalists will not

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00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: be paying also for check marks. Here's the thing on

1124
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: the merits, I actually think they're up. I don't think

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00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: for a freaking check organization should pay for the check

1126
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: mark just because Actually, one of the things that the

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00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: Washington Post said in his statement is, by the way,

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00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: being on Twitter is not part of your job requirement.

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00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: The only time we pay for something is whenever it's

1130
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: let you do it for yourself. So if journals want

1131
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: to pay for it themselves, go for it. You and

1132
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: I have basically made a decision. We're like, yeah, we

1133
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: don't really need it. We're not Twitter first people. The

1134
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: majority of our audience is here on YouTube, We're on Spotify,

1135
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: on Apple podcasts, you know, Instagram as well. We don't

1136
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: pay for any of that, so 're like, to the

1137
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: extent that we use Twitter, it's either elite signaling or

1138
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: to like make an annastment. I mean, I am adamantly

1139
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: opposed to paying for the check mark as like a

1140
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: matter of principle, because it does feel like and this

1141
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: is why a lot of people are reacting to it.

1142
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it feels like a hostage taking kind of situation,

1143
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: and it's also like, okay, you're just paying to have

1144
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: your tweets boosted, like signal boosted. It's not like it's

1145
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: a real verification. You can still have all kinds of

1146
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: impostors whatever. So I'm not going to embarrass myself by

1147
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: paying to get my tweets in front of more people, right,

1148
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: Definitely not going to do it. But yeah, the dynamic

1149
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: of everybody maintaining their check marks except for The New

1150
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: York Times is amusing to me. Oh yeah, I must admit,

1151
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. So anyway, I think it is amusing, you know,

1152
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: from a perspective of just like yeah, we're just gonna

1153
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: yank it for you. And I find it also funny

1154
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: just from the emotional connection that so many people have

1155
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: to their blue checks, like, look, take ours. I'm like,

1156
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't care, man if it goes away tomorrow, they

1157
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: said April first, I was ready. I was like, okay,

1158
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, and then it went away. It's still there.

1159
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, it makes no impact or whatever

1160
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: on my life. I do know, though, the level of

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00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: connection that so many elites, specifically bloggers, people who kind

1162
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: of made their bones on Twitter, developed the vast majority

1163
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: of their A lot of substackers are like this. Actually,

1164
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: not like Glenn and Tybe because they're genuinely talented, but

1165
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people who built like big resistance followings

1166
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: and all that, they all got that through Twitter, and

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00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: a lot of them are opposed Elon, so they don't

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00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: want to pay either. At the same time, that's how

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00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: they make all of their money, so I think many

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00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: of them will cave. The only blue feature ahead did

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00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: I see that he was gonna make it so that

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00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: you could pay for the check but that nobody would

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00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: know about it? Well, there's no way because if you

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00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: click on the check mark, it'll say this person is

1175
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: subscribed to Twitter Blue. I think I saw though, that

1176
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: he was gonna make who knows if this is true whatever,

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00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: but I think I saw that he was going to

1178
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,439
Speaker 1: make it so you could like secretly have the check

1179
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: mark and get all the algorithmic boosting and ability to

1180
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: do the Twitter polls and whatever else. You can be

1181
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: poit but not the publicly shamed for paying for this nut.

1182
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: Right now, the only blue feature which seems interesting to

1183
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: me is long form tweet is the ability to break

1184
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: the character limit. But at the same time, once what

1185
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: am I published a lot I'm not a writer anymore.

1186
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: The laws really whenever some of them are the freaking

1187
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: read more. It makes me irrationally angry. I'll tell you

1188
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: why I like them as some of them. During the

1189
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: SBB crisis, some financial analysts wrote like a genuinely very

1190
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: helpful blog post. In one tweet, I was like, oh,

1191
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: this is great. Actually, somebody sent me this. I said,

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00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: this is great. This is one of the only times

1193
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: that I've seen one. And I've seen a few other

1194
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: explainers a sad or something. You know, Yeah, well it

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00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: saves me a click. Okay, that's not a fan. That

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01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: is the only one I've seen yet. That's the only

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01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: blue feature currently. Think about Trump's freaking long ass truth socials.

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01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: That is not an improvement I'm for. I'm not actually

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01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,479
Speaker 1: for brevity generally. What's the famous quote about writing where

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01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: the I think it was either Voltaire or Rousseau, and

1201
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: he said, forgive the length of my letter. I did

1202
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: not have time to write you a short one, because

1203
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: it's you know, it shows you that when you write

1204
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: a short letter or some of you have to think

1205
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: about editing your words. You have to think carefully about

1206
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: choosing you to try and convey a big message in

1207
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: as few words as possible. We kind of do that

1208
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: all the time in our monologue, so I guess someone

1209
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: get it. But yeah, there's something about the magic of Twitter,

1210
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: about the short and the pithy thought that you can

1211
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: punch up of trying to express a complex idea in

1212
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: what is a two hundred and eighty character. Yeah, at

1213
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: the same time, I don't think in many cases you

1214
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: can't express a complex idea to two hundred eighty careacters.

1215
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: You know, to go back to the news outlets here,

1216
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, to the extent that Twitter becomes less important

1217
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: for their journalists or their journalists or less vision on

1218
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: Twitter in terms of the management of these newsrooms, they'll

1219
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: be very happy, yes, because they've been very They've been

1220
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: frequently embarrassed and annoyed with the takes that their reporters

1221
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: are having and how much time they're spending and like

1222
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,959
Speaker 1: rotting their brains on Twitter. So I'm not even sure

1223
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: that it's like it's certainly for newsroom management, they'll actually

1224
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: be happy to see it was a no brainer for

1225
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: them to be like, no, we're not paying for you

1226
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: to like go on this service where all you do

1227
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: is make our lives more difficult in terms of the

1228
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: actual news gathering news distribution process. So there's that aspect

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01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: of absolutely, yeah, there's no way, so maybe he's doing

1230
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: them a favor. Also, we got to talk about the algorithm.

1231
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: So Elon open sourced the Twitter algorithm with some interesting results.

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01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put this up there on the screen.

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01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: What it shows is that actually there were some categories

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01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: of people who were getting boosted. Now, amongst those is

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01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: author is a power user. We don't know what the

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01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: definition of that. Author is a Democrat, so a Democratic

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01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: candidate to help boost politics. Author is a Republican. Okay, okay,

1238
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: so power user, Democrat, Republican. All of those seemed reasonable.

1239
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: There's a fourth category, it says author is Elon. The

1240
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 1: funny part, though, is Elon actually replied to it and said, well,

1241
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: I had no idea that I was in there. I

1242
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: will be looking into it, oh and possibly at it. Okay. Well,

1243
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: given the fact, Crystal that he has fired people before

1244
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: for telling him that his tweets weren't getting as much engagement,

1245
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: maybe they wrote it into the code without his knowledge

1246
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: just to say look what you're doing. So well, but regardless,

1247
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: it is genuinely hilarious that the open source code shows

1248
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: you that Elon's tweets are artificially being boosted outside of

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01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: It's like he's not even just categorized as a power user,

1250
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: which is how you should do it. He's just author

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01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: is Elon. It was like a special category in the code.

1252
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: So I did a little like, obviously, I'm not a

1253
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: code or so reading these foreign language to me. I

1254
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: did read some coders who were analyzing this so and

1255
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't know they're legitimacy or whether they're good coders

1256
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: and understand this fully or not. But the thing that

1257
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: I read is that it's not this particular part of

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01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: the code is not actually directly boosting Elon's tweets or

1259
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: Democrat tweets or Republican tweets. It enables them to do

1260
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: an ab test of new features so they can easily

1261
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: see at a glance whether the new feature is good

1262
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: or bad for Elon Musk personally. This is according to

1263
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: Colin Fraser on Twitter, who seemed to know what he

1264
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: was talking about. So, I mean, bottom line is basically

1265
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: the impact is the same. They're making sure that whatever

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01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: do changes they roll out on Twitter are going to

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01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: be personally beneficial to the owner of Twitter, which listen,

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01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: at this point, he's lost like at least twenty million

1269
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: dollars on this whole deal. I guess the least I

1270
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: guess the least that he can get out of it

1271
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: is a little signal boosting of his own tweets or not.

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01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: You know, if you're going to lose that much money,

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Speaker 1: you might as well get something out of it. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: that's the latest on Elon. He never never does disappoint

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Speaker 1: in terms of a fun segment. All right, sorry, really

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Speaker 1: going to a well. Last week I brought you all

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Speaker 1: the case of Douglas Mackie. He's a pro Trump Twitter

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Speaker 1: user who in twenty sixteen tweeted out a meme targeted

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Speaker 1: at Hillary voters, telling them that they could avoid the

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Speaker 1: line and vote by text. To most people, that sounds

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Speaker 1: funny or lame, possibly a mix of both. But to

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's Department of Justice, they saw a crime. The

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Speaker 1: very first week in office, they indicted Mackie on a

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Speaker 1: charge of conspiracy to deprive individuals of their right to vote.

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Speaker 1: Prosecutors alleged that some four five hundred people call the

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Speaker 1: number on the meme and that Mackie distributed. They honed

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Speaker 1: in on Mackie's private messages, where he and other pro

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Speaker 1: Trump Twitter personalities reveled in the reach of their accounts,

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Speaker 1: hoping they could trick quote dopey liberals not to vote. Now.

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Speaker 1: Is Mackie a good person? Probably not, But that's not

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Speaker 1: enough to put somebody on trial. Ultimately, this trial was

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Speaker 1: about whether satire onl should be legal, even satire that

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Speaker 1: is malicious, mean and targeted, whether that should be illegal

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Speaker 1: or not. Here is the meme, and to be clear,

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Speaker 1: Mackie did not even make it, He only distributed it

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Speaker 1: along with many others. Do you really believe any reasonable

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Speaker 1: person would see this meme and otherwise not vote? The

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Speaker 1: Biden Department of Justice certainly did. Apparently so did a

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Speaker 1: jury of Mackie's peers, who convicted him in the Eastern

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Speaker 1: District of New York on Thursday on conspiracies to deprive

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Speaker 1: other American citizens of their right to vote. Already, the

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Speaker 1: censorious establishment is doing backflips online over the victory of

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Speaker 1: this case. Why the government even put out a victorious

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Speaker 1: press release about the verdict. Put it as a warning

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Speaker 1: to anyone else who may do so online, but a

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Speaker 1: closer scrutiny of the trial itself is necessary for the

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Speaker 1: government to be truly ironclad in their case, they would

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Speaker 1: have to prove that Mackie's meme crossed the satire line

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Speaker 1: because people otherwise text it to vote rather than vote itself.

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Speaker 1: Their theory of this case relied on the fact that

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Speaker 1: some foury five hundred people called this phone number. Yet

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Speaker 1: when his defense lenge prosecutors to bring forward one single

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Speaker 1: witness who said that they were fooled, they could not

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Speaker 1: do so. Let me repeat, not one person was called

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Speaker 1: to the stand to testify that their civil right to

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Speaker 1: vote was actually deprived by this meme, despite having their

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Speaker 1: phone numbers, and that means from the facts of the case.

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Speaker 1: On his face, all the government proved was a Macki

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Speaker 1: post of this meme, that some people interacted with the

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Speaker 1: same phone number, and that he may have been malicious

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Speaker 1: in his attempt. As to the witnesses, the star witness

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Speaker 1: at trial had nothing to do even with depriving anyone

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Speaker 1: of votes. Instead, it was a dude named Microchip who

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Speaker 1: was part of Macki's group chat. During this testimony, Microchip

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Speaker 1: cast Mackie as a leader of the group who distributed

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Speaker 1: means targeted at liberals, but under cross examination admitted two

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Speaker 1: key things. Number One, he was testifying because he was

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Speaker 1: cooperating with the FBI and plead to a reduced charge.

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Speaker 1: Two quote, there was no grand plan around stopping people

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Speaker 1: from voting. So if there was no grand plan, there

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Speaker 1: was no conspiracy. Right. He can't prove a real conspiracy

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Speaker 1: and he can't prove a single witness was harmed, then

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Speaker 1: what are we doing here? Obviously none of these questions

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Speaker 1: mattered to the New York City jury that convicted Mackie,

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Speaker 1: but one has to wonder if the politics of the

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Speaker 1: area played into that, and also to the wisdom of

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Speaker 1: bringing charges like this in the first place. Prosecurial prosecutorial

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Speaker 1: discretion is a hell of a drug, and immediately with

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Speaker 1: the precedent set, a lot of people are looking for

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Speaker 1: similar examples and say, hey, why isn't this person in jail.

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Speaker 1: Many pointed to this tweet by Christina Wong, a liberal

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Speaker 1: Hillary supporter in twenty sixteen, who tweeted, quote, hey Trump supporter,

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Speaker 1: skip poll lines in election twenty sixteen and text your

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Speaker 1: vote tech votes are legit or vote tomorrow on super

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Speaker 1: Wednesday that along with the video that was viewed close

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Speaker 1: to one million times. Now, if you ask me, that's

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Speaker 1: funny and just as ridiculous as the meme that MACKI posted.

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Speaker 1: But now, by the standards of government is set any

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Speaker 1: of the eight hundred and forty three thousand people who

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Speaker 1: watch that video have been contaminated by Wang's conspiracy to

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Speaker 1: prevent Trump supporters to vote. Now, curiously, Miss Wang remains

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Speaker 1: free and clear to this day. To be clear, she

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Speaker 1: should remain, and so so should Maacky people say stuff

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Speaker 1: on the Internet they don't mean all the time. Worse,

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Speaker 1: this has been rewarded now by the FBI for wasting

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Speaker 1: their time policing Twitter trolls rather than letting child sex

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Speaker 1: predators like Larry Nasser go free. As I reminded everyone

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Speaker 1: last time, the nanny state behavior of the Feds here

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Speaker 1: is something that reveals a very very deep rot. As

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Speaker 1: Matt Tayeebi discovered, FBI agents whose salaries we are paying,

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Speaker 1: we're spending their time flagging moronic tiny Twitter accounts joking,

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Speaker 1: including one who said quote, I am a ballot counter

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Speaker 1: in my state. If you're not wearing a mask, I'm

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Speaker 1: not counting your vote, saying that every negative comment on

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Speaker 1: the post she would add a vote for the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: Or another example the low follower user who tweeted quote

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Speaker 1: I want to remind Republicans to vote tomorrow and included

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Speaker 1: the wrong date. This was flagged by FBI agents who

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Speaker 1: wanted Twitter to take it down. It had three retweets,

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Speaker 1: and under the standard of the now established Mackie conviction,

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Speaker 1: they can claim anyone who saw that tweet and misinterpreted

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Speaker 1: it could have had their civil rights violated or a

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Speaker 1: conspiracy to do so. The standard now has been set

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Speaker 1: and the gauntlet throne. We now live in a significantly

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Speaker 1: less free internet. The best response to this from an

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Speaker 1: individual perspective post less even if you're anonymous. If he

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01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: screwed with somebody like Hillary, they will track you down

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Speaker 1: to the ends of the earth and potentially throw you

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Speaker 1: in prison for a decade for a crime of her

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Speaker 1: running a terrible campaign. Ultimately, this is about elite protection.

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Speaker 1: They target those who make a mockery of them. When

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Speaker 1: they make a mockery of us, they get rewarded, they

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01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 1: remain free, they get richer than ever. And once again

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he's a nice guy. And if

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Speaker 1: you want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue, become

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Speaker 1: a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com. Chrystl. What

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Speaker 1: do you take a look at? Well, I'm crazy the

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Speaker 1: same The more Americans health for health insurors now than

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Speaker 1: ever in history. But that was then and this is now.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen million Americans are said to be kicked off of

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Speaker 1: Medicaid starting this month, leaving many without any health insurance

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Speaker 1: and a healthcare plan that basically amounts to just pray

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Speaker 1: that you and your kids do not get sick. A devastating,

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Speaker 1: unnecessary calamity being intentionally inflicted on millions by their own government,

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Speaker 1: one that has been effectuated by Democrats and Republicans acting

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Speaker 1: in concert, and which, outside of this Washington Post coverage

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Speaker 1: I just showed you, has barely registered with the news

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Speaker 1: media that is blissfully insulated from the impact of all

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Speaker 1: of these policies. As front of the show, Jeff Stein

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Speaker 1: put it pretty remarkable that America temporarily constructed a safety

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Speaker 1: net during COVID, including major healthcare coverage, food benefits, anti

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Speaker 1: poverty funding for families and kids, etc. And then just

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Speaker 1: systematically and slowly demolished it With regards to the millions

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Speaker 1: about to be kicked off their healthcare, the process has

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01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: a bureaucratic and antiseptic name, Medicaid unwinding. Basically, during the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: states could only gain access to certain federal dollars if

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Speaker 1: they pledged not to kick anyone off of the Medicaid program.

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Speaker 1: That means that women who had had a baby and

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Speaker 1: would have only qualified until just after the baby was born,

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Speaker 1: or they were able to stay on. It means people

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Speaker 1: who may have missed their renewal notices and the male

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Speaker 1: were able to stay on. People who struggle to complete

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Speaker 1: the mountain of paperwork in time to prove they are

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Speaker 1: sufficiently poor to qualify they were also able to stay on,

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Speaker 1: and that last category. It might sound small, but it's

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Speaker 1: actually massive. HHS estimates seven million people will get kicked

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Speaker 1: off of Medicaid who actually qualify due to issues like

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Speaker 1: long wait times, bureaucratic mistakes like sending paperwork multiple times

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Speaker 1: and missing renewal notices. That could be an especially large

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Speaker 1: problem because of how many people have new addresses due

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Speaker 1: to housing instability exacerbated by the pandemic. Millions more of

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Speaker 1: the working class fall into a giant coverage gap because

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Speaker 1: they live in states which did not expand Medicaid, So

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Speaker 1: those individuals make too much to qualify for Medicaid, but

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Speaker 1: then not enough to actually afford plans on the ACA

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Speaker 1: exchange even with the subsidies. The Washington Post interviewed a

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Speaker 1: single mom who was set to lose her coverage on

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Speaker 1: just how devastates this is all going to be to

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Speaker 1: her life. So Connie Bunch is mom to a toddler's

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Speaker 1: son and a ten year old daughter who has cerebral palsy.

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Speaker 1: Caring for a disabled daughter and struggling with her own

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Speaker 1: health issues has made it nearly impossible for Connie to

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Speaker 1: be able to hold onto a job, and certainly not

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Speaker 1: one with health benefits. She was only able to stay

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Speaker 1: on Medicaid because of those Pandemic era provisions. That's a

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Speaker 1: benefit that she believes actually saved her life. It enabled

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Speaker 1: her to go to the emergency room one evening when

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Speaker 1: her face began drooping, resulting in a diagnosis of Belle's

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Speaker 1: palsy and also the discovery of several small brain aneurysms.

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Speaker 1: Now Connie is also among the millions who struggle to

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Speaker 1: afford insulin for her diabetes and medication for her high

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Speaker 1: blood pressure. After Medicaid unwinding, who knows how or whether

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Speaker 1: this mom will even survive to be there for the

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Speaker 1: babies who so thoroughly depend on her. But the truth is,

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Speaker 1: gazing at this tangled healthcare mess is to realize how

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Speaker 1: broken the system is. Even at its very best. A vast, expensive,

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01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 1: dehumanizing bureaucracy is required to determine who checks all the

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Speaker 1: right boxes and lives in the right state to be

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Speaker 1: worthy of basic care. It's actually going to cost dates

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01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: quite a bit of money to figure out who they

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01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: can kick off the program, money that, of course, could

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Speaker 1: instead be spent making sure moms like Connie have the

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Speaker 1: care that they need. Social safety net programs that only

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01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: benefit the poor and working class are also incredibly politically vulnerable,

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Speaker 1: as low income Americans have zero political sway in Washington

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Speaker 1: and little visibility to the national media. Consider how toxic

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Speaker 1: it is for politicians to even consider cutting Social Security

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Speaker 1: or Medicare, and compare that to how the child tax credit,

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Speaker 1: rent for Baron's expanded unemployment, and now Medicaid for millions

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Speaker 1: are stripped away while Democrats are in power with barely

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Speaker 1: a whimper. Why Because Social Security and Medicare are near

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Speaker 1: universal programs that every American feels they have a stake in.

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Speaker 1: Means tested safety net programs are ghettoized as welfare for

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Speaker 1: the unworthy, and in the current political climate, they've also

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Speaker 1: been blamed for inflation, even as for bank bailance and

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Speaker 1: corporate subsidies is just accepted as a matter of course.

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Speaker 1: What's more, the overwhelming majority of political journalists grew up

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Speaker 1: in at least the middle class and have had zero

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Speaker 1: personal experience with any of these programs. They also live

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Speaker 1: in class isolated bubbles where their only interactions with the

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Speaker 1: beneficiaries of safety net programs are through the service workers

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Speaker 1: who deliver their uber eats or care for their kids.

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Speaker 1: Journalist Jeff Stein has made sure to document the stories

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Speaker 1: of those for whom these programs have been a precious

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Speaker 1: lifeline which has now been cut away. He wrote a

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Speaker 1: while back about a single mom who has slowly slipped

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Speaker 1: back into financial desperation as program after program has been demolished.

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Speaker 1: In her words, it was a weight lifted like I

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Speaker 1: can't describe. I could actually buy what I wanted to

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Speaker 1: at the grocery store living is so much harder now

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Speaker 1: that this brutality is being inflicted quietly, surgically under Democrats

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Speaker 1: makes it all the more galling. After all, Joe Biden pretended,

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Speaker 1: at least on the campaign trail that he was going

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Speaker 1: to fight to get all Americans' healthcare through a public option.

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Speaker 1: Now that was never as good a solution in his

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Speaker 1: Medicare for All, of course, at LISTA was something. Now

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Speaker 1: we watch him surrender fifteen million Americans to healthcare doom

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Speaker 1: and he doesn't have a single word to say about it.

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Speaker 1: I will close with this, Our country is facing a

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Speaker 1: life expectancy calamity that is unlike anything happening anywhere else

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Speaker 1: in the developed world. The Financial Times recently crunched them

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Speaker 1: of the data, and they found that Americans, on average

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Speaker 1: have life expectancy as low as Blackpool, that is the

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Speaker 1: most economically depressed town in all of England. What's more,

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Speaker 1: while all countries saw life expectancy take a hit during COVID,

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Speaker 1: the US took a bigger hit and has failed to

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Speaker 1: bounce back as other nations have done. Now, the causes

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Speaker 1: of this are myriad, but I think in a way,

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Speaker 1: the story of medicaid unwinding tells you everything you really

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Speaker 1: need to know. In America, we don't actually value the

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Speaker 1: lives of everyone, not even close. The country is run

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Speaker 1: according to a radical, elite driven ideology which says your

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Speaker 1: human worth is equal to your market worth, and which

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Speaker 1: is then actively intentionally sought to make every human of

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Speaker 1: his life work to the market as possible, and that

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Speaker 1: sick a moral ideology leads Democrats and Republicans alike to

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Speaker 1: just accept these deaths as a matter of course. Republicans

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Speaker 1: don't really even pretend to care. Democrats pretend to care,

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Speaker 1: but we'll do nothing that is even remotely hard or

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Speaker 1: counter to donor interest to try to deal with the problem.

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Speaker 1: And so millions get tossed out in the healthcare cold,

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Speaker 1: and our elite institutions barely even register a loss. And

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Speaker 1: zachar is singing a lot with regard to these fifty

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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com. Just

1516
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: so everybody knows for inevitable question, we will be sending

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Speaker 1: a link in the email today to all of our

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Speaker 1: premium subscribers where you can ask questions for the stream,

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Speaker 1: so all of that is going to be lined up.

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Speaker 1: We're excited to bring you all the stream tomorrow. As

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Speaker 1: a reminder too, you can watch the full show on

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Speaker 1: Spotify for premium members Breakingpoints dot com. But I think

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Speaker 1: that's it. We'll see you all tomorrow night, primetime special

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Speaker 1: Trump on Trial. Can't wait. It's going to be interesting.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you then,