1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: From our nation's President, Joe Biden's one point nine trillion 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: dollar pandemic relief package. We're not going to hear anymore 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: about Operation Warp Speed. They're gonna be calling it the 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: COVID Response. We're talking right now about jockeying amongst Republicans. 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On, the insiders, the influencers, the inside. Biding 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: has promised again and again that he will unite the country. 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: Who do you think Biden has to watch in terms 8 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: of moderate defectors. The House has been voting for this 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: stimulus package basically for months. This is Bloomberg Sound On 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: with Kevin Surrele on Bloomberg Radio, and I'm Jeanie Schanzano. 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm in for Kevin Sirelli today and joining me is 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg political contributor Rich Davis. And later we are going 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: to be talking to the congresswoman from Michigan, Hayley Stevens. 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: We're really anxious to get her thoughts at the end 15 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: of this really extraordinary week in our nation's capital. And 16 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: I guess the third, maybe the second in a half 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: full day of the Biden administration. At the end of 18 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: this first week of the Biden administration. We had the 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: President today focusing again for this third day on the pandemic, 20 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: and in particular, he was talking about the economic pain 21 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: that has been caused by the virus. He came out 22 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: to the press in a really somber mood this afternoon 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: after meeting with his economic advisors, and he talked about 24 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: the fact that when we had another nine hundred thousand 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: applying for unemployment. But he began his remarks by talking 26 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: about the long lines for food, people who are fearing eviction, 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: and the general hopelessness that so many Americans are feeling 28 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: as a result of the economic fallout due to the coronavirus. 29 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: And I believe we have some sound on that we 30 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: can not will not let people go hungry. We cannot 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: let people be evicted because of nothing they did themselves. 32 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: They cannot watch people lose their jobs. And we have 33 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: to act. We have to now. And so that was 34 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: the President today, um, and we are awaiting really more 35 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: details about the plan that the administration is putting forward 36 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: nearly two trillion dollars in a relief package that they 37 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: have proposed it's going to be and he signed today 38 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: to executive orders on food assistance and increasing the minimum 39 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: wage for federal workers UM to fifteen dollars. And at 40 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: the White House today we heard the new National Economic Director, 41 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: Brian Deese, and he was describing some of the high stakes. 42 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: So let's hear a little bit about what Brian Deese 43 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: had to say before we bring Rick and our other guests. 44 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: In retail sales fell last month, and just yesterday we 45 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: saw another nine hundred thousand Americans file for unemployment insurance. UM. 46 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: That's a weekly rate that is higher than any week 47 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: during the Great Recession. So joining me today to talk 48 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: a little bit about the Biden administration's efforts here on 49 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: the economic front, we have Rick Davis, Bloomberg, political contributor, 50 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: partner at Stone Court Capital, and former campaign manager for 51 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: John McCain's two thousand and eight presidential campaign. I think 52 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: we were just hearing some sound. It sounded like Jennifer 53 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: Saki or Jen Saki. I think Jen Saki is trying 54 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: to interrupt you. She wants on Bloomberg bad Let's book 55 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: her next week. She interrupted my my intro of Tyler. 56 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: So Tyler, I'm sorry about that. But Rick and Tyler, 57 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: it's really great to have you. And again just to 58 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: repeat that use the Republican Strategist fundraiser and president of 59 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: the of Allegiance Strategies. UM. And so Rick, Yeah, let's 60 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: turn Jen down for just a minute and let me 61 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: just get your thoughts about these two executive orders. UM. 62 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: We have a new president who has signed many executive 63 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: orders in just the first three days, but to today, 64 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: in particular on food insecurity and raising the minimum wage. Yeah. 65 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: I think this has been really a productive week for 66 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: the new administration. It's only you know, two and a 67 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: half days old, UH as far as their time in office, 68 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: and and these stop gap funding measures that he signed 69 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: into UH executive orders today are really UH meant to 70 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: try and relieve the pain that has been caused by 71 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: economic dislocation in this community. UH. Increasing the food aid 72 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: in order for families who need assistance UH to be 73 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: able to get it. It's really quite phenomenal that we 74 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: still see, eleven months into this pandemic, huge lines of 75 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: cars going to food banks of people who in their 76 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: lifetime never thought they would need this kind of assistance 77 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: but are anxious to get it. And it's really I 78 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: think the way this Biden administration looks is an obligation 79 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: of the government to be there when they need it, 80 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: and of course extensions of unemployment insurance for those who 81 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: are seeking jobs who otherwise wouldn't be qualified. Again, just 82 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: trying to create a gap in the economic dislocation of 83 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: so many of these families who are struggling because they've 84 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: lost their employment due to COVID and aren't likely to 85 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: get it back as a result of this economy until 86 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: COVID allows these companies and services to reopen. So I 87 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: think he's he's putting a band aid on the economy 88 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: as much as he can in the short term, but 89 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: it also points to the broader game. And all of 90 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: these have been put in the context of they need 91 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: their stimulus package approved by Congress so that they can 92 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: really put lead on the target in these communities with 93 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: money from government. Yeah, and I want to we want 94 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: to move and talk about the stimulus before we do that. Tire, 95 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: let's bring you in here. I think the number that 96 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: surprised me today was fifty million Americans food insecure as 97 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: a result of the pandemic. And you know, the really 98 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: somber tone of the President and the his economic director 99 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: really struck me in terms of looking at some of 100 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: those numbers. Well, of course it is in its heart wrenching, 101 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: and it speaks to the facts that we're not out 102 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: of this pandemic yet, and that the economic pain and 103 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: misery from the pandemic is not distributed equally across the country. 104 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: Right that there are a lot of people who have 105 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: made money in the last twelve months, but there are 106 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: many more people who have lost their jobs, who were 107 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: making less money, who've lost their businesses. Um. I think 108 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: that all of this is going to just continue to 109 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: put a spotlight on Congress and the fact that they 110 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: still have not done their job. And I am happy 111 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: to give our new President Joe Biden credit for moving swiftly, 112 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, issuing these executive orders. But what I don't 113 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: want it to become is just another you know, administration 114 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: governing by executive order. This is not how our our 115 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: democracy is supposed to operate. UM. I'm somebody who criticized 116 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: President Trump for trying to just govern by executive decree, 117 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: and you know, look, it's early and President Biden has 118 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: to take some drastic measures here. But what I don't 119 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: want it to become is I don't want it to 120 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: become the norm for this administration. I want him to 121 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: work with Congress, work with people in both parties, and 122 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: actually pass some legislation that won't just some set when 123 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: this administration ends. And that's what I think is the 124 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: real point is Congress has a job to do to 125 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: step up for the people who are hungry, to step 126 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: up for the fact that we still don't have a 127 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: testing regiment, we still don't have ppe right like we 128 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: all know this. That's what I'm hoping President Biden can bring. 129 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: That's new. It's some real leadership, and that can't just 130 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: be through executive orders. And Tyler, you raise a great 131 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: point about the sort of governing via executive order, And Rick, 132 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: what do you think, because it's something I debate with 133 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: colleagues about all the time. Are the dangers of what 134 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: has become sort of the norm in the modern presidency, 135 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: in the modern era that Tyler was just talking about, 136 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: this whiplash of governance by executive order when Congress has 137 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: failed in many instances to act. Yeah, Jennie, I think 138 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: whiplash is a good example because that's what we're experiencing 139 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: this week. Donald Trump probably one of the greatest users 140 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: of the pen to write these executive orders of any 141 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: modern President uh is now seeing many of his efforts 142 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: to unwound in the stroke of a pen by Joe Biden. 143 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: And I think Uh Tyler has made a really good 144 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: point that isn't well understood in the public is these 145 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: are executive orders by the president. Any president can change 146 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: that executive order. It does not have the weight of law. 147 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: The president doesn't make laws. Congress makes laws. And when 148 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: Congress makes a law, only Congress can change the law. 149 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: And so that creates stability in the system. So you 150 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: don't have, as you put it so well, Jeannie, whiplash 151 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: every time a new administration comes in. Yeah, And Tyler, 152 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: it's I was just talking to somebody about the fact that, 153 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, the legislation that Barack Obama passed, whether you 154 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: like it or not, in terms of the Affordable Care Act, 155 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: similarly Donald Trump's you know, tax bill, those things are really, really, 156 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: to Rick's point, difficult to change and unlikely to change, 157 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: as we've seen at least over this in the short period. 158 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: Yet when you are governing in this way, as we've 159 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: seen in the modern era, we do see swift changes 160 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: in policy one administration to the next. And so that 161 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: raises the question about why Congress itself is not acting 162 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: and the president is taking these executive actions. Yeah, and 163 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: there's this this it's a difficult tension between Congress and 164 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: the White House because every time the President does an 165 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: executive action, he's taking a little pressure off of Congress 166 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: to act, and more and more they just seem more 167 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: than happy to abdicate their responsibilities. But this is why 168 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: a fifty fifty Senate, you know, it's totally tied up. 169 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: That's a really interesting dynamic because it's going to force 170 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: people to have to work together. And I don't yet 171 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: know how they're going to respond because so far, you know, 172 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: fifty fifty, a lot of people will hear. You know, 173 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: the Democrats have control of the Senate, and they do 174 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: whenever there's a bill that needs a tie breaker, right 175 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: then the Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris, 176 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: will break tie um and she hast that determining vote. 177 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: And that is the one small way in which Democrats 178 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: have control of the chamber because otherwise, right now they're 179 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to even stand up the 180 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: Senate and organize themselves, and the Vice President doesn't have 181 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: a say in that. It's actually only the one elected 182 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: senators who have to agree on how they're going to 183 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: cooperate in a tied environment. And I find that endlessly 184 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: interesting because they're going to have to come to an 185 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: agreement or they can't even introduce bills right like, they can't. 186 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: They can't do anything except by unanimous consent until they 187 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: agree on the basic terms. And what many of your 188 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: listeners are already going to be hearing about is that 189 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: Miss McConnell wants Chuck Schumer to agree that they will 190 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 1: not make any further changes to the filibuster. And I 191 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: think that you know, Biden sees this. He came out 192 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: today that he does not want to end the filibuster. Um, 193 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: we heard Tin Slaki a second ago. Come on, look, 194 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: she said it herself from the podium today. They do 195 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: not want to change the filibuster. Mitch McConnell doesn't want to. 196 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer right now is to the left of the president. 197 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: And I think until we get that sorted out, and 198 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: also get our arms around the coronavirus pandemic, we can't 199 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: start legislating. But I do want to just say I'm 200 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: optimistic because if we can come to a basic agreement 201 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: of how the Senate is going to function. I think 202 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: that actually, these fifty Democrats and fifty Republicans, the fact 203 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: that they have to work together means that I hope 204 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: that they will work together. And Tyler, you brought us 205 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: just where we want. Jen Psaki interrupted you before, but 206 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: we're going to come back at the other side of 207 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: this break and hear a little bit more from her, 208 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell on this very issue of 209 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: the filibuster. So I am Genie Schanzano, and this is Bloomberg. 210 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: We will be right back. This is Bloomberg Sound On 211 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg Radio, and I'm Jennie chanzy 212 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: Know in for Kevin Cirelli, who is on vacation, and 213 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: here with me is Rick Davis, Tyler Deaton, and we're 214 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: looking forward to speaking with Congresswoman Haley Stevens from Michigan 215 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: in just a few minutes. But I just want to 216 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: go back to what Tyler had raised before the break, 217 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: when we are talking about the administration's attempts to address 218 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: the economic fallout from COVID. He had made the case 219 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: that one of the big issues that has arisen has 220 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: to do with the filibuster, and of course the reason 221 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: is as many executive orders as the new president has 222 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: signed in the last few days, they simply cannot govern 223 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: the via executive order. Congress has got to allocate the funds, 224 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: and so it has been raised repeatedly as to where 225 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: the president stands on the issue of the legislative filibuster. 226 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: And I think for the second time in just a 227 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: couple of days, Jen Saki, the White House Press Secretary, 228 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: was asked about that today at the White House briefing, 229 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: and I think we have sound on what she had 230 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: to say in response to that question. The presidence position 231 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: hasn't changed, but I will say he's conveyed in conversations 232 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: with both now Leader Schumer and Senator McConnell that, uh, 233 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: they need to have their conversations, of course, but he 234 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: is eager to move his rescue plan forward. He is 235 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: eager to get relief to the American public. He wants 236 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: to work with both of them to do exactly that, 237 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: and he wants it to be a bipartisan bill, so 238 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: that is his objective. His position hasn't changed. He opposes 239 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: overturning the ilitialty Philipps. He has spoken to this many times. 240 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: His position has not changed. And before I get a 241 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: reaction from Rick and Tyler, let's just here if we 242 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: can a little bit of the back and forth between 243 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer, the leaders of their respective 244 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: Republican and Democratic parties in this Senate. I think we 245 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: have sound on this as well. We're gonna truly replicate 246 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: the agreement. We need to reaffirm this crucial part of 247 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: the foundation that lay beneath it. We have three essential 248 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: items on our plate. One the confirmation of President Biden's 249 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: cabinet and other key officials. To legislation to provide desperately 250 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: needed COVID relief. Three a second impeachment trial of Donald Trump. 251 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: The Senate must and will do all three. So Rick Davis, um, 252 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: what do you think in terms of Senate's ability to 253 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: do all three of those things, particularly if they don't 254 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: tackle or get rid of the legislative veto we're back 255 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: in government because those are three people trying desperately not 256 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: to say something that actually would offend the other person. 257 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, maybe there is a change in 258 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: the winds of Washington. Uh, It's just look, I mean 259 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: the Senate has its own rules, right, they governed themselves. 260 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: And and what Mitch McConnell was talking about in his 261 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: quote this now is that we had a fifty fifty 262 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: Senate back in two thousand one, and it was led 263 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: by Trent Loott on the Republican side and Tom Dash 264 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: on the Democratic side, and they put together a set 265 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: of rules on how to govern and and and they've 266 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: dusted those off. Twenty years later, they're right back to 267 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: a fifty fifty Senate and they said, look, we've been 268 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: through this once before. Senate loves President, Let's do it again. 269 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: And one of the bedrocks of those was something that 270 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: that that President Biden, as Senator Biden for many many years, 271 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: defended vociferously, which is you ought to be able to 272 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: maintain a fildbuster, which is you need sixty votes to 273 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: cut off debate to go to a piece of legislation 274 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: and not just fifty one. So, um, my guess is, uh, 275 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: President Biden's trying not to offend Senator Schumer, who would 276 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: love to have a grab here and and be able 277 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: to pass legislation with fifty one votes, not fifty sixty. 278 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: And uh, and and and my guess is Mitch McConnell's 279 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: trying to get a deal done as quick as he 280 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: can because he doesn't want to see that rule change 281 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: now because he's not in charge. So I think all 282 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: this sort of works its way out over the weekend. 283 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: There'll be lots of calls going back and forth, but 284 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think you go 285 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: right into the business that that said that Leader Leader 286 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: Schumer I was talking about, which is confirming these these 287 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: cabinet level positions getting on with this impeachment. Uh, it'll 288 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: start potentially on Monday and uh and trying to pass 289 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: the stimulus bill, which was the topic of the day 290 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: out of the White House. So so, Tyler, let me 291 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: just get you in here for a minute. Do you 292 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: think that any of these institutionalists really, as I would 293 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: describe them McConnell, Biden, Schumer, that they want to see 294 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: the filibuster go. I would love to see the filibuster go, 295 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: and I would not view him as an institutionalist in 296 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: the same category as Joe Biden and Mitch McConnell. However, 297 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: I think that we've got to be realistic, Like and 298 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: Rick knows this, there's ways around the filibuster already, right, 299 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: Like Obamacare was passed under reconciliation exactly, and that's how 300 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: Trump's tax bill was passed. And Jeanny, you mentioned that 301 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: those were like, you know, signature accomplishments by both of 302 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: these presidents, you know, whether you like them or not, 303 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: that's what they're known for. And they did it under 304 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: reconciliation rules and bypassed the filibuster, which is allowed. There's 305 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: only a few times. You know, I'm not going to 306 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: get too nerdy on this, but like, you can't do 307 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: everything that way. And this is the point is that, uh, 308 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: you know, in two thousand one, the rules looks different, 309 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: the parties weren't as polarized. And since then, Harry Reid 310 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: nuked the filibuster for circuit judges. McConnell then nuked the 311 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: filibuster for Supreme Court judges. And at some point here, 312 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: everybody's got to lay down their weapons. And and this 313 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: is my concern is that if they don't come to 314 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: this agreement at the very front end, then the issue 315 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: of the filibuster, like is it saying, is it not? 316 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: Will it go? Won't it? It is going to plague 317 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: Joe Biden in his entire presidency, because nothing will get 318 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: done if we just keep arguing about the rules themselves, 319 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: will never get to legislating. And so you know, long 320 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: time seners, no, I will be the first to criticize 321 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: Leader McConnell whenever I think he's misjudging a situation. But 322 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: I think he has this spot on. I think it's 323 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: right for him to take this stand at the beginning. 324 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that he's closer to Joe Biden 325 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: on this than Chuck Schumer, and I think that a 326 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: lot of other Senate Democrats are as well. And let's 327 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: get this done, like, let's put this behind us and 328 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: then we can start to legislate. And Tyler, we love 329 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: when you're nerdy. Nerdy is us. We love it more 330 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: reconciliation and philibuster talk. When we get back, we're also 331 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: going to be speaking with the congresswoman from Michigan, so 332 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: we will see you on the other side of this break. 333 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: And I am again Jeanie Schanzano in for Kevin Sorelli, 334 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: and I'm joined by Rick Davis, and we're really fortunate 335 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: to be speaking with Representative Hayley Stevens, who represents the 336 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: eleventh district in Michigan. So, Congresswoman, welcome, it's terrific to 337 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: talk to you. Thank you, thank you so much for 338 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: having me. Delighted to be on the show. And so 339 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to just jump right into what President Biden 340 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 1: was talking about today if we can, um he and 341 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: Brian de SE's National Economic Council Director. We're talking obviously 342 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: about all the economic challenges that you're so well aware 343 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: of in the country as a result of the pandemic. 344 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask you, as a member of 345 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: the new Democrat coalition, how do you respond to your 346 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: Republican colleagues who say that this one point nine trillion 347 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: dollar bill is two large, even people moderates like Mitt Romney. 348 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: So the New Democrats in particular have been in favor 349 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: of what's called stabilizers, a continuum, continual source of funding 350 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: that would kick in in the event of Ricochet's in 351 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: our economy now turns uh in an employment all business closures, etcetera, 352 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: so that we didn't need to keep coming back to 353 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: the well. And I think what's evident right now, and 354 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: you heard the President and our National Economic Council UH 355 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: director Brian He's talking about today is that we're still 356 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: in a moment of triage here. Um, we still have 357 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: eight million Americans who didn't even get their first stimilus 358 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: check UH. And that's in some of Biden's early plans. 359 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: And so look, we want to be all of government. 360 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: We we obviously want to come to the table with 361 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: colleagues on the other side of the aisle. But listen 362 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: to our chairman, Chairman of the Federal Reserve, listener Jerome 363 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: Paul and what he said about where we need to 364 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: take this, uh, this next phase of what is responding 365 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: to the worst job market in modern history that a 366 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: president has inherited, and think about how we're going to 367 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: carry Americans through and our small businesses through. Hey, Congresswoman, 368 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: this Rick Davis out of Washington. Thank you so much 369 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: for joining us today. And I want to pick up 370 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: on that because I don't think some people really recognize 371 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: the depths of the concerns with the economy. We've all 372 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: been talking so much about COVID in the last week, 373 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: especially since UH President Biden has taken office. But Brian 374 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: D's did make a big point. He said, you know, 375 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: we could be in very serious economic whole if we 376 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: don't do something and you actually had some practical experience 377 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: with a government. You know, as a Republican, I have 378 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: to call it a bailout, but you can call it 379 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: whatever you want. But with the Presidential Task Force in 380 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: the auto industry, where the government said, look, we have 381 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: an industry that's critical to our national infrastructure, and we're 382 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: gonna put our finances to work to short up. It worked. 383 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: I think by largely everybody's agreement, it worked perfectly. And 384 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: so are there opportunities coming up where we can look 385 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: at industries like the hotel industry, of the traveler, the 386 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: other industries really badly affected by coronavirus, and say maybe 387 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: we do something similar to that. Sure, and the private 388 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: sector talks about r Y and as a appropriate or 389 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: effect dollars, I talk about r OS return on spend, 390 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: return on the taxpayer dollars spend. And certainly when you 391 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: see Brian d saying we are at a very precious 392 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: moment in our economy and either we're going to choose 393 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: to act or we're going to be in a race 394 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: to the bottom, We're going to choose to booy industries, 395 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: which will I I think give us a return on spend. 396 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: The countless small businesses who, through no faults of their own, 397 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: are suffering some of the worst effects of this pandemic. 398 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: This is something we lived through, by the way, in 399 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: oh nine, in o eight oh nine, with the large 400 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: amount of small businesses, of a multitude of sectors that 401 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: closed down, that were never fully recovered. And we're facing 402 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: that but at much more enormous levels. And you can 403 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: look at states like Florida versus Michigan, and yet you're 404 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: you're still seeing a slowdown in consumer activity. I know 405 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: in Michigan we're working really closely with our restaurants and 406 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 1: our travel and tourism industry. We want to see everyone 407 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: say seed, our movie theaters are open for the first time. 408 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: And yet you go into a movie theater and a 409 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: lot of times it's just one or two people in 410 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: not just dark, but yeah unoccupied. Yeah right, yeah, So 411 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: you know, and those are those are anecdotes, but when 412 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: you're looking at the whole of our economy and and 413 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: a good example of this, right is something that I've 414 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: been working on for a long time pre pandemic in 415 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: Congress on pension release. You know, you kick the can 416 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: down the road and the problem becomes a lot worse 417 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: than if you just to to tackle it now. You 418 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: know where we I just introduced a bill on this 419 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: the for our multiployer pensions and single employer pension because 420 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: of the solvency issues, right, and so, so either we're 421 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: gonna address this, we're at a boiling point of needing 422 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: to address it now, or they're going to implode and 423 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: so will our pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation. And this isn't 424 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: to cry wolf, but I I'm optimistic about this plan. 425 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: I've worked with Brian Dee's before. He was on our 426 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: auto rescue team. Um, he's one of the first people 427 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: I call when the pandemic hit. And I, you know, 428 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: before using the rollies in now, but I, you know, 429 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: asked for his advice on what we need to do 430 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: in Congress. And I'll tell you, the measure of how 431 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: far we could we can go does feel really wide 432 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 1: because of the scope of this problem. We are the 433 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: greatest economy, We've got the greatest workforce, but we've got 434 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: to make up for a lot of ground lost in 435 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: the shakiness in our labor market. Right now, Congresswoman, we 436 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: know that there's targeted a hundred and sixty billion dollars 437 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: in funding for national vaccine program in the Biden stimulus package. 438 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: But I'm curious, how is it going in Michigan right now. 439 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you represent big suburbs outside of Detroit, UM 440 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: obviously an area heavily impacted by UM COVID and and 441 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: I'm curious are you seeing action on the ground and 442 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: and is it likely to improve in the short term 443 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: with with a new Biden administration. So comparatively, we are 444 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: in the top of this state to get the vaccine out. 445 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: We're doing a great job. We're getting them administered. But 446 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: talking to people on the ground, they'll tell you it 447 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: feels like getting concert tickets trying to get their shot. 448 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: It's a different uh system. Uh. It's not just calling 449 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: your doctor, it's going through a hospital, it's registering online. 450 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: This is so very foreign to people in many respects. UM. 451 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: I have been seeing people get the vaccine. I'm glad 452 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: to see it, but not enough. Right we still got 453 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,959 Speaker 1: a long way to go to even just get that, 454 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, sixty five and over population covered. We've also 455 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: obviously prioritized our educators at the county level, Oakland County, 456 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: Wayne County in particular, doing a phenomenal job ensuring that 457 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: our essential workers are also priority in line to get so. 458 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: But I am very pleased to see the President's requests 459 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: for additional funding use of the Defense Production Act. We 460 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: need human capital to administer this vaccine. It's not just 461 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: a one and done, as we know, you know, we 462 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: need in put the day. Uh, we need to monitor 463 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: people shortly after they get the vaccine, and we need 464 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: to get everyone call bart So. Congresswoman. UM, We're really 465 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: really fortunate that you've agreed to stay over the break 466 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: because I did want to follow up on some of 467 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: what you said, Um, particularly in terms of economic relief, 468 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: in your point about tackling the issue now, and some 469 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: of the criticism surrounding the arbitrary deadlines that have been 470 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: put in place. So we will be right back talking 471 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: with Congresswoman from Michigan, Haley Stevens. This is Bloomberg Sound 472 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: On with Kevin Surley on Bloomberg Radio and on Jeanie 473 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: Schanzano in for Kevin Surley on this Friday afternoon and 474 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: along with Rick Davis. UM, we are delighted to be 475 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: speaking with the Congresswoman from Michigan's eleventh district. UM Hayley 476 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: Stevens and Congresswoman. Before the break, UM, we were talking 477 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: a little bit about the economic fallout from the pandemic, 478 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: and we wanted to switch gears a little bit and 479 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: grateful you stayed over the break and ask you a 480 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: little bit about the riot insurrection at the Capitol on 481 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: January six, and in particular, we heard Speaker Pelosi say 482 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: on Thursday that she and other members of leadership and 483 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: members of the Democratic Caucus believe that Republican House members 484 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: should face and may face consequences over their actions leading 485 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: up to the riot. So I wanted to ask you 486 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: your view on that. Well. I have been very alarmed 487 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: and discussed it by some of the comics coming UM 488 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: from members before the riot ensued. In particular goes Uh 489 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: calling for violence outright, UM Joe saying that today is 490 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: seventeen seventy six and potential allegations and this is what 491 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: is UH something that is definitely alarming to UM. Everyone 492 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: paying it to engine of this, but just potential allegations 493 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: of members of Congress covorting or coordinating with those who 494 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: participated in the temporary overthrow of our government through violent force. 495 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: UM debt needs to be taken seriously. It needs to 496 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: be investigated and if anyone committed such action, they need 497 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: to be held accountable. Uh, this is Rick Davis again, Congresswoman. 498 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: Let's follow up on that a little bit, because what 499 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: is holding them accountable mean? We know that some of them, 500 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: like the Arizona delegation members Paul Gosaar and Andy Biggs 501 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: who's now retired from Congress, UM, we're implicated in the 502 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: planning of the march on the Capitol. And so we 503 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: assume from what we've heard in other interviews we've had 504 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: this week that there are investigations going on in the 505 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: government ops uh Committee of Congress and and so what 506 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: are the tools that you can use to correct these 507 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: kinds of potential violations. Yeah, well it begins with an 508 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: ethics complaint and an ethics overview. That this is where 509 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: history is very significant and very important for us UM. 510 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: In the seventies, after the historic Nixon Class of seventy 511 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: four was elected, they had to expel to members of 512 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: Congress for miss using their member account funds for playing 513 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, two members who were paying you know, mistresses 514 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: and you know, just abusing, abusing the federal dollar. And 515 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: you know this isn't It always feels like things are 516 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: very political, right, you know the twenty four seventh campaign, 517 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: and you know all the dark money and politics. But 518 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: there comes a point where you have to govern right, 519 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: and you have to govern uh withinsparency into the letter 520 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: of the law. And if people committed actions that we're 521 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: against the the oath, that's that's certainly a bar that 522 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: we're holding here. I know, it was obviously very upsetting 523 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: to see, you know, over a hundred members of the 524 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: Republican Conference vote to de certify the electoral college results 525 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: of Arizona and Pennsylvania. But in particular, violence can never 526 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: be a means to a political end. And this political 527 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: end was built on a conspiracy. It was built on 528 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: a big line that this election was fraudulent and that 529 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: the claim that the that the the outgoing president was 530 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: refusing to concede because he claimed he won the election 531 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: and it and it went too far. And this also 532 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: speaks to Raney. House had to impeach President Trump for 533 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: a second time um in part because he failed to 534 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: live up to his constitutional oath. He was called during 535 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: this violent insurrection when his government was being taken over, 536 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: when his vice president, when the Vice President of United 537 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: States had to hide for his when everyone in the 538 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: building had to hide for the life. And he didn't 539 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: answer that call. He didn't keep us safe. Congresswoman, I'm 540 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: just a related point the reports yesterday UM that a 541 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: member of the House from Maryland had tried to enter 542 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: the House floor with a weapon and UM was turned 543 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: away at the checkpoint. UM. We've heard from some members 544 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: of the House that they don't feel safe with their 545 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: colleagues on the floor. Have you experienced or felt that way? 546 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: Do you hear that from your your colleagues on the floor. 547 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: What this is just code of conduct? You know, you 548 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: don't need to be entering the house floor with the weapon. Okay, 549 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: there's no need for that. And there's you know, and 550 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,479 Speaker 1: in terms of the safety and tortal call procedures that 551 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: we have in place and all the things that our 552 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: Capitol police have been through the stress. Uh, and and 553 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: they attacked that our Capitol police also incurred on January six. 554 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: I'm really disappointed and my alig who who attempted to 555 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: bring in that weapon, and I do find it threatening, 556 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: Uh in many respects. I just don't see a need 557 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: for it. You know, we've got members of Congress who 558 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: have um, uh, you know, a k is hanging on 559 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: their walls. You know, we in pre pandemic times have 560 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: groups of children coming through the all the Congress on tours. 561 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: You know, it used to be a public place. I mean, 562 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: what exactly are we turning into here? So I just 563 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: think everyone needs to take it down a notch. We 564 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: need to focus on the crisis at hand, which is 565 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: this public health crisis of COVID nineteen and are shaky 566 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: economy and rebuilding, building back better and having a government 567 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: that can actually serve everyone. And look, I appreciate the 568 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: opportunity to talk about this on a market show. Obviously, 569 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: you know the markets didn't change on January six. You know, 570 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: we didn't have a big drop, which might tell you something. 571 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: But on the other hand, we do need to rebuild trust, 572 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: We do need to rebuild functionality. I legislate in two 573 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: year terms. Those are measured on delivery and what I'm 574 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: doing for people and our economy. Yeah, Congressman, I want 575 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: to follow up on that because you make a really 576 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: good point. I mean I would remind listeners that, uh, 577 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: the District of Columbia actually has some jurisdiction over the 578 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: federal uh footprint in Washington, and it is illegal to 579 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: carry a weapon in Washington, d C. Regardless of what 580 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: the rules of the House of the Senate say. And 581 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,479 Speaker 1: so uh, these people put themselves into criminal jeopardy, you know, 582 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: by carrying weapons in Washington, d C. But to follow 583 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: up on that, I mean, all of this sort of 584 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: bundles around how do we get things passed in Congress. Um, 585 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: you don't have a responsibility in the House for confirmation. 586 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: So the Senate is going to have to take that up. 587 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: And and as we understand it from reporting, Uh, Speaker 588 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: Pelosi will be sending the impeachment over to the Senate 589 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: on Monday potentially, and get that off your books in 590 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: the House of Represents. So the three big priorities, that 591 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: leaves one, which is the stimulus plan. And and but 592 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: put that in the context for us on the likelihood 593 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: of success of moving quickly on that in the House. 594 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: With the overcast of these kinds of feelings on the 595 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: on the House floor, can you overcome these suspicions, the concerns, 596 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: the fears that you have with your fellow members, especially 597 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: across the aisle to actually get some of this legislation 598 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,959 Speaker 1: done in the short term. So I think there's gonna 599 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 1: be people who we can work with and those who 600 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: are not committed to working on bipartisan all the government 601 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: solutions to tackle our largest challenges. And we know who 602 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: the who's who is UM. You know Adam Kinsinger, Who's 603 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: someone I collaborated with before I came into Congress on 604 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: infrastructure issues. You know, he talks about the politics of 605 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: of faining that's just poisoning our ability to govern. And 606 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: and I will say, you know, we were supposed to 607 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: be in session on and we were supposed to be 608 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: in our districts UM the week of the when we 609 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: voted on impeachment, and so these weeks and somewhat slipped. 610 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: And I think what we get here is some time 611 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: to heal uh, some time to recollect our thoughts UM, 612 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 1: go within our communities as best we can back home, 613 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: and also spend some extra time reaching out to colleagues. 614 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: I'll tell you I I want a tough re election 615 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: ranks for first re election. They always said that's your 616 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: toughest one. And I was congratulated by just as many 617 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: colleagues on my side of the aisle as I once 618 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: colleagues on the other side of the aisle. I'm pleased 619 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: to share that with listeners this evening because that's something 620 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: you guys can always get to hear me relationships, you know, Yeah, 621 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: you know you've got to know who to work with. 622 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: Congresswoman and I. We don't have a lot of time left, 623 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: but I think that's a really important message to hear. 624 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: I did want to just ask you, in terms of 625 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: your work on that Labor Committee and the Future of 626 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,959 Speaker 1: Work task for as a co chair, in a sort 627 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: of briefly, what are one or two things that you 628 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: would like to see the Biden administration and Congress do 629 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: to help workers and the labor force today. We've got 630 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: to look at wages, and we've got to close the 631 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: skills gap, and we're going to have to make up 632 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: a lot of grounds on our technical skills and training 633 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:28,919 Speaker 1: for the manufacturing UH technology jobs that are open right 634 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: now and they're looking for that talent. We need to 635 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: plus up the coding programs first, robotics that exposes students 636 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: at a young age, and make up for some of 637 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: the ground that's been lost UH in this pandemic. So 638 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: the future of work is very much taken on a 639 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: new face in in the year of coming out of it. 640 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: It's a the you know, the legislative session that we're 641 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: in now. It's such a fascinating point and it's something 642 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: that very close to my heart. I would love to 643 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: talk to you again at a future time. We're about 644 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: the work you're doing there, and we just want to 645 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: thank so much the Congresswoman from Michigan, Hayley Stevens, for 646 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: her time on this Friday afternoon, and of course my 647 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: colleague political contributor Rick Davis and Tyler Deaton, Republican strategist, 648 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: fundraiser and president of Allegiance Strategies, for all their help 649 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: and contributions. Today. My name is Jeanie Schanzano. I am 650 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: filling in for Kevin Cilli, and this is Bloomberg