1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: You are listening to Coast to Coast AM. Hello there, 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm Connie Willis and I hope that you'll find me. 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Just sign up for my email list if anything else, 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: at Connie Willis dot com and join my show too. 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: That would be really nice. We have a lot of 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: fun Blue Rock Talk Connie after Dark, you can have 7 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: a drink with me live virtually what happens there stays there. 8 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Or you can also go on live investigations to creepy 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: hotspots or one hundred percent with activity and it's really 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. We learn a lot. We're not 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: one on one. We go deep into the subjects and 12 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: really want to know what's going on. It's all about 13 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: communication and relationship. And if you're that kind of person, 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: then join become a member of my show, Blue Rock Talk. 15 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: So just go to Connie Willis dot com and look 16 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: around and see what you like. And I'd love for 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: you to be a part of it. So our next 18 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: guest here has a cool name. You gotta love his name, 19 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: Paul Sugar. I mean, Paul Sugar is a cool name. 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: That's just the way it is. You're gonna remember it. 21 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: And I actually I just recently met him. Kind of 22 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: called him up after I saw him on Do you 23 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: all remember Michael Ford when he was the Angel Guy. 24 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: At one point when I was learning about Michael to 25 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: bring him on Coast to Coast, I had seen one 26 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: of his interviews and it was just a very short 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: bit with Paul Sugar, and that's who we have on tonight. 28 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: It was very interesting to meet him. I feel like 29 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to always know him, and you all might 30 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: maybe everybody feels that way with him. Some people say 31 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: that about me. You know, you meet some people and 32 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: you feel like I'm going to know you forever. But 33 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I'm going to know him 34 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: or already even do, which is really cool. He's somebody 35 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: that you can talk with. He'll talk right back. You 36 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: can stay deep into a subject and go deeper and 37 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: deeper and deeper and just enjoy the conversation. That is 38 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: my thing. I love this. 39 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: Now. 40 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: There's going to be several things we can talk about 41 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: with him, and I don't really actually know where to 42 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: start because there's so many cool things to talk about 43 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: with him. Usually I try not to talk to anybody 44 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: except for a little bity bit before I bring them on, 45 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: so that we can share everything live right now. But 46 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: he and I got into some great conversations and I 47 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: just think we will continue to do that for the 48 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: rest of our lives, and I don't think we'll ever 49 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: run out of anything to say. He's got such a 50 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: background that is absolutely amazing that I'm going to let 51 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: him tell some of those things because I don't want 52 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: to mess those up with what he's done, but I 53 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: do want to say that it was really cool originally 54 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: talking to him about basically the fear of dying, and 55 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: what he does is helps rid of fear and stress 56 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: and people, especially the fear of dying. So there's a 57 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: whole thing to that, but the bit it's huge to 58 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: be able to help people rid of fear. Fear, love, 59 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: love is all there is. That fear gets in the way. 60 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: All my life, I've been looking for people that can 61 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: rid of fear because it gets in the way, it 62 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: stops people from what they're trying to do. It's terrible. 63 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: And here's a guy that does do that and so 64 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: much more so. Paul, I'm gonna bring you in on 65 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: that alone. We'll talk about anything, everything, it doesn't matter. 66 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: We can just zoom right into all of it. But 67 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm glad to meet you, and I know we're gonna 68 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: be talking more. I'm excited. I watched some of your 69 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: videos today on stressbeaters dot com and just one or two, 70 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: maybe three or four of them, and as I was 71 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: taking a short nap, I got into like that erv 72 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: stage you might remember from days of Ingo Swan relationship. 73 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: But I felt like I did one of the things 74 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: you said to do, and I was right there in 75 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: the presence of something and it was like where I 76 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: should be. It was just really really cool. And anyway, 77 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: I'm glad to have you here. Welcome. I believe this 78 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: is this the first time you've been on coast to 79 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: coast as well. 80 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 2: Yes, it is, Connie, nice to be here. 81 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: It's so great. You are a teacher, you know as 82 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: I started watching your videos, you're a teacher. You're definitely 83 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: a teacher for sure. But you've done so many things. 84 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: You have the benefits of having talents and just incredibly 85 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: intelligent with awareness and also a happy life with love. 86 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, I've been a lucky guy. 87 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: Well tell us, yeah, now you have in is it Scottsdale? 88 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: You're in Scottsdale? 89 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: Yes, I am, I am. 90 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: Tell me about your institute. 91 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: Well, I'm the director at the Scott Stille Institute for 92 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: Health and Medicine and the Center for Mindfulness, And this 93 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 2: is an organization that I founded in nineteen ninety three, 94 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: originally to develop a holistic center in the Phoenix area, 95 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: and we did that, and then after the center was developed, 96 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: I decided that I wanted to focus my attention completely 97 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: on the practice of mindfulness and teaching mindfulness. And so 98 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: with that intention of really focusing in on mindfulness, we 99 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: went forward and have been very successful in teaching many, 100 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 2: many people, thousands of people, the practice of mindfulness and 101 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: helping them reduce stress and reduce their fear and basically 102 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: just be able to live a happy and healthy life. 103 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: And when you say mindfulness, what do you mean when 104 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: you say, hey, we talk about mindfulness and teach mindfulness. 105 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: Is that consciousness? 106 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's figure that out. My definition of mindfulness 107 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: is being able to pay attention moment by moment, on 108 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 2: purpose to the body, thoughts, emotions, and breath. And the 109 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: reason that we pay attention in that particular way to 110 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: the body of the thoughts, the emotions, and the breath 111 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: is because the body is the gateway into the present 112 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: moment experience. And what we've discovered through well over ten 113 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: thousand studies over the past thirty years or so is 114 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: that there's this phenomenon going on all over the world, 115 00:06:55,080 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 2: really where in the field of stress are getting stuck 116 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 2: in that experience of fight or flight. So we all 117 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: know the experience of fight or flight to be our 118 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: response to a survival threat, which is a good thing. 119 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: We want to be able to have that response to 120 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: the survival threat. We need the fear that comes up 121 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: during fight or flight in order to mobilize us to 122 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: be able to deal with whatever happens to be threatening 123 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: our survival. The problem is this, for some reason, and 124 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: we don't know why exactly, we just know that it's happening. 125 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: But for some reason, people all over the world are 126 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: getting stuck in that fight or flight response. So if 127 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: you think about that for a moment, think about all 128 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: the changes that take place physically, mentally, and emotionally when 129 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: we go into fight or flight. Just sit with that 130 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: for a minute. Imagine that all of those changes that 131 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 2: we go into stay with us for an extended period 132 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: of time. And I'm not talking just hours or days 133 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: or weeks. I've worked with many, many people where it's 134 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: not unusual at all for people to come to the 135 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: realization that they've been stuck in this fight or flight 136 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 2: mode for decades. It's not unusual to be with people 137 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,559 Speaker 2: who realize twenty thirty, even forty years they've been stuck 138 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: in this fight or flight mode. And the predominating emotion 139 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: that comes with that fight or flight mode being stuck 140 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: there is of course fear, and very specifically fear of dying. 141 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: And so when we begin to practice mindfulness training the 142 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: attention to stay in the body, the thoughts, the emotions, 143 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: and the breath, it's as if the body's senses that 144 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: we're reconnecting with it and coming back into the present moment. 145 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: And so the catch twenty two with being stuck in 146 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: fight or flight is that our main coping mechanism that 147 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: we deal with when we're in that fight or flight 148 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: mode is our ability to disconnect. So what do we 149 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 2: disconnect from? We disconnect from our body, our thoughts, our emotions, 150 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: and breath, which is a good thing because if we 151 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: get caught by the saber tooth tiger, we don't really 152 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: want to be there to experience the pain and the 153 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: suffering that's going to come to us if we get 154 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: caught by that tiger. And so we've learned how to 155 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: disconnect from the body. The problem is when we get 156 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: stuck in fight or flight that we become chronically disconnected, 157 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: so we lose our ability to really communicate with the body. 158 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,239 Speaker 2: And you would think that it would be a natural 159 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 2: occurrence for us to come out of fight or flight 160 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: and go back into balance, but unfortunately it's not a 161 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: normal sequence to that anymore. And so in the practice 162 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 2: of mindfulness, we become proactive and we focus our attention 163 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: on the body thoughts, emotions, and breath, and it's as 164 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 2: if at that point the body senses that were reconnected, 165 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: and it takes that as a signal that there's no 166 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: more danger out there. So what it does is it 167 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: shifts the autonomic nervous system out of fight or flight 168 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: and brings us back into that normal, balanced mode where 169 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: we lose the fear, where we lose all of those 170 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: changes that take place physically, mentally, and emotionally when we're 171 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: in that fear mode. And so just by a very 172 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: very simple practice of engaging that skill of being able 173 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: to pay attention in that particular way, we're able to 174 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: reverse being stuck in the fight or flight mode and 175 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: coming back into balance. And so you'd think that would 176 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: be the end of the story. Yeah, but it's not 177 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: the beginning of the story. Coming out of the fear mode, 178 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: that's just the beginning. Now, if you continue to stay 179 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: connected to the body that gateway into the present moment experience, 180 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 2: you will begin to have that present moment experience twenty 181 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: four to seven. Now, I'm sure everybody has heard, either 182 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: through sports or through some other medium, the term flow states, 183 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 2: you know, being in the zone, peak performance, so forth, 184 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: and so on. That is the natural state of being 185 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: when you're in that mindfulness state, in that present moment state. 186 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: Lots of studies behind that. So when we get rid 187 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: of the fear and normalize the body of the thoughts 188 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: and the emotions, we then begin to enter into these 189 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 2: flow states. And you don't have to be an athlete, 190 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: of course, to go into the flow state. The flow 191 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: state is something that you can experience regardless of what 192 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 2: you're doing twenty four to seven in your life. And 193 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: so if you continue to do this practice, which does 194 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: need reinforcing on a regular basis, So if you continue 195 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: to do the mindfulness practice. You'll be able to sustain 196 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: that flow state for the rest of your life twenty 197 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: four to seven. And that really brings a lot of 198 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: joy and happiness and peace into your life. So it's 199 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: a great reason to do the practice. It's a prime 200 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: motivator because it really brings us into a deeper experience 201 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 2: and enjoyment of our lives and allows us to be 202 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: more peaceful, more creative, more productive, so forth and so 203 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: on without having the detriment of that fear from the 204 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: stress hanging over us all the time. 205 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: Does it take a long time with the practice to 206 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: get to that point. 207 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: It's a gradual thing, and you know, it's different with everybody. 208 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: But I can tell you you know, as I mentioned before, 209 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: I've worked with thousands of people over the years, and 210 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: particularly with an eight week course that I teach, and 211 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: I find that most everybody that goes through the eight 212 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: week course, at some point during the eight weeks they're 213 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: beginning to experience the benefits of the practice. Some start 214 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: to experience the benefits after the first week, some second week, 215 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: third week, but certainly by the end of the eight weeks, 216 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: people are engaged and really experience that present moment experience 217 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: the benefits of the practice, and then from that point on, 218 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: when they continue to practice, it begins to unfold even 219 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 2: more and more, and they continue to sustain those slow 220 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 2: states that they've that they've begun to access during that 221 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: eight week program. 222 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: Do you blame like some of the reasons why we 223 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: get stuck in what you were saying, also because life 224 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: is busy, hurry up, got to do something else, have 225 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: more responsibilities where you don't address your own self. 226 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's that's a good point, Connie. The kind 227 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: of lifestyle that most of us live in modern day life, 228 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: with technology and so forth and so on, makes it 229 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: difficult for us to turn inward and really focus our 230 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: attention that way. It doesn't have to be that way 231 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: to me. So, for example, a lot of people complain 232 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: that stress that they excuse me that technology in the 233 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: form of our phones and computers and so forth and 234 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: so on, are creating this problem. My contention is that 235 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: it's just a byproduct of the problem, and that it's 236 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: really the way you see things that dictate whether or 237 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: not you're going to experience stress. So I think that 238 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: technology in and of itself is not the problem. It's 239 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: our relationship to technology. That's the problem. We haven't learned 240 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: yet how to relate to all of these things, these 241 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: new things that that we're experiencing in the past ten 242 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: twenty thirty years with that high technology in so many 243 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: different regards, and you know, and beginning to unfold now 244 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 2: even more so with AI and quantum computing is not 245 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: far away as well. And so our world is changing rapidly, 246 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: and we really need to have the tools to be 247 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 2: able to survive without it taking us down into that 248 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: rabbit hole of stress. And I believe through my own 249 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: experience that mindfulness is that main tool that will allow 250 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: us to survive and thrive in the face of all 251 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: of this massive change that we're all experiencing nowadays.