Speaker 1: Former Big League gm Danduquet joining us right now on
Speaker 1: ft DAN. Great to catch up with you again. It's
Speaker 1: good to see you and how's everything been?
Speaker 2: See you guys. How are you doing?
Speaker 1: We are good, So we have a lot to get
Speaker 1: to with you. But I do want to start with
Speaker 1: the headliner. I mean, you sent in some words to
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Sun that I thought were really cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: you had a great run, and I remember covering your
Speaker 1: team there with you and Buck for a good run
Speaker 1: at the time, and many other notable names and faces Machado,
Speaker 1: Adam Jones, etc. So can you run through kind of
Speaker 1: what you've seen in terms of the narrative around Baltimore
Speaker 1: and then what your response was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the I wrote a short letter because I
Speaker 3: didn't like the fact that they said that the organization.
Speaker 2: When I left it was a mess, because it wasn't
Speaker 2: a mess.
Speaker 3: I've always prided myself I'm having a good organization and infrastructure,
Speaker 3: and I left good teams, actually my best team I
Speaker 3: left in Montreal when I left there to go to Boston.
Speaker 3: And in Boston when I left, I left them the
Speaker 3: foundation which they leveraged a couple of championships, shortly after
Speaker 3: I left.
Speaker 2: There, and then in Baltimore, we did the same things.
Speaker 3: You know, Bill Parcell says, you know, you got to
Speaker 3: have some groceries in the cupboard, and I think we
Speaker 3: left some groceries in the cupboard there and a pretty
Speaker 3: solid foundation.
Speaker 2: I mean, anytime you're in baseball for a long time,
Speaker 2: you're going to have some good years and some bad years.
Speaker 3: And of course when you have a bad year, a
Speaker 3: lot of times you don't get the opportunity for another year.
Speaker 2: But I thought that we did some really good work
Speaker 2: in Baltimore, and J. C.
Speaker 3: Meyer just dismissed our work entirely, saying it was a mess.
Speaker 3: And it really wasn't a mess because the team had
Speaker 3: a lot of good players that they could use for
Speaker 3: a foundation to come back and make the playoffs just.
Speaker 2: A couple of years later.
Speaker 3: And I think Mike Mike Elias acknowledged that when he
Speaker 3: gave us credit for a lot of the players that
Speaker 3: helped the Ools get back to the playoffs in twenty
Speaker 3: three or twenty four. But I just didn't like the
Speaker 3: reporter didn't really do any fact checking, and I just
Speaker 3: wanted to point out a couple.
Speaker 2: Of facts and that is that we had some good years.
Speaker 3: In Baltimore, and when we did leave, they had the
Speaker 3: foundation of a decent organization.
Speaker 4: Good for you, Dan, Good for you for firing back
Speaker 4: on you know, whatever you want to call it, fake news,
Speaker 4: false reporting, bad report, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 4: Good for you on firing back. I have a couple
Speaker 4: of questions for you. One, you did a great job.
Speaker 4: Once you got there, the Orioles became relevant again because
Speaker 4: for years the Orioles were like, Oh, we're going to Baltimore,
Speaker 4: we're winning at least two out of three, and we're
Speaker 4: probably gonna sweep them. But once you got there, things
Speaker 4: change for the Oriols of low So I want to
Speaker 4: give you credit a ton of credit for that. And
Speaker 4: then the the other thing is I wonder how handcuffed
Speaker 4: you were because we've heard for years that the Oriols
Speaker 4: didn't sign international prospects. And I don't want to bag
Speaker 4: on the Angelo's family. I know they don't own the
Speaker 4: team anymore, but how handcuffed were you as the GM
Speaker 4: as far as international prospects and free agent signings go, Well.
Speaker 3: When you talk about international prospects, you know that, and
Speaker 3: signing international prospects and good ones.
Speaker 2: That was a core competency of mind.
Speaker 3: And actually the reason the Red Sox hired me is
Speaker 3: they wanted me to help them develop an international recruiting
Speaker 3: network like we had in Montreal. So I went to
Speaker 3: Boston and I did that. In fact, our international did
Speaker 3: really well.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: We we signed Handley Ramiers, the left handed pitcher we
Speaker 3: sent to Colorado. He ended up in Colorado. We sent
Speaker 3: him to Arizona. The Red Sox center for Kurt Shilling.
Speaker 3: They were from our international. I mean, I always was
Speaker 3: good on recruiting and sourcing players from international markets. And
Speaker 3: when I got to the Orioles, one of the biggest
Speaker 3: disappointments I had was that I couldn't compete. I couldn't
Speaker 3: convince Pete Angelo. So the value of that to the team.
Speaker 3: And when you're competing in the American League East against
Speaker 3: all these other teams, the Red Sox, the Yankees, the
Speaker 3: Blue Jays, those are all major market teams in Tampa
Speaker 3: and they're all active in the international market. You have
Speaker 3: to have some sort of foundation. And I wasn't able
Speaker 3: to convince mister Angelos to that. His sons, when they
Speaker 3: started operating the club, they understood that, and the Orioles
Speaker 3: opened up their international signings much bigger than when I
Speaker 3: was there, when when Michael Aias got there. But that
Speaker 3: wasn't that wasn't a choice of mine, you know that
Speaker 3: that was it. That's a handicap because that's a source
Speaker 3: of talent. And you look at the players in the
Speaker 3: big leagues, I think, what about thirty percent some of
Speaker 3: the stars, maybe even more coming from international markets. And
Speaker 3: if you're trying to compete without being aggressive in the
Speaker 3: international markets, you're you're really going into a fight with
Speaker 3: one hand tied behind your back. But be that as
Speaker 3: it may, that was the choice of the ownership and
Speaker 3: I wasn't able to convince them during my time there
Speaker 3: that we should be aggressive in that regard, and I
Speaker 3: think the club paid a price for that.
Speaker 2: You know, you've seen the Orioles.
Speaker 3: They got a terrific catcher there in Bassalo, right. He
Speaker 3: was one of their first signings that they got coming back.
Speaker 3: But you know, to me, Harry Dalton told me that
Speaker 3: aggressive scouting builds winning ball clubs, and being aggressive and
Speaker 3: scouting recruiting on the international market would be, you know,
Speaker 3: one of the pedestals to support your stool to have
Speaker 3: a competitive team.
Speaker 5: We talk about it all the time on here about
Speaker 5: how some owners just get in the way of a GM.
Speaker 5: Is it because you wanted to keep your job that
Speaker 5: the owners you know that that gms don't want to
Speaker 5: get fired. Is there a way to navigate that or
Speaker 5: how hard you try to navigate that because that was
Speaker 5: something that you were good at?
Speaker 3: Eric, You know, every every team has its challenges, right,
Speaker 3: And if you're a top executive, you have to learn
Speaker 3: to work with all.
Speaker 2: Sorts of people, right.
Speaker 3: You have to learn to learn to work with people
Speaker 3: alongside of you, people that you supervise, people that you
Speaker 3: report to, and you know that.
Speaker 2: That's really part of the job.
Speaker 3: Having said that, there are some ownership situations where you
Speaker 3: know they understand the value of empowering people and letting them,
Speaker 3: you know, do their job.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: So, as an executive, if I know what I'm good
Speaker 6: at and I go and do that that's my core competency,
Speaker 6: then I try to find other people that are good
Speaker 6: at things that I'm not so good at to fill
Speaker 6: out the team, right.
Speaker 3: And I think I think, uh, you know, every executive
Speaker 3: has those challenges. Uh, It's just that you know, in baseball,
Speaker 3: some of those challenges are a little bit more significant,
Speaker 3: and certainly Baltimore was a significant challenge when it came
Speaker 3: to dealing with the owners.
Speaker 2: But you know, having.
Speaker 3: Said that, you know we still found a way to
Speaker 3: have a very highly competitive team and be very good
Speaker 3: for a period of time. And then, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: mister Angelos his health situation changed, and then you know
Speaker 3: that changed the big dynamics around.
Speaker 2: In that franchise.
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Speaker 2: Can you delve in a little bit more.
Speaker 5: You went on a record and say that you weren't
Speaker 5: in favor of the Chris Davis signing when he signed
Speaker 5: his seven year contract. Can you go through maybe even
Speaker 5: a little bit of that process, like, hey, yeah, we
Speaker 5: want to sign him and you're like a bet or
Speaker 5: not and how that all plays out. Obviously we know
Speaker 5: he got that large contract.
Speaker 3: Well, Chris got a large contract. The reason he got
Speaker 3: a large contract is he was a good power hitter.
Speaker 3: Having said that at the opening press conference at the
Speaker 3: night we signed him, when they asked me about how
Speaker 3: the contract came together, I made it very clear that
Speaker 3: Chris's agent had finished the contract with mister Angelo as
Speaker 3: the owner of the team, because you know, I had
Speaker 3: done my own work on.
Speaker 7: The market, and my work on the market found that
Speaker 7: there wasn't as robust a market anywhere near as close
Speaker 7: to what the Oriels ended up giving Chris Davis, and
Speaker 7: as an executive, it was my.
Speaker 2: Duty, if you will, to report that to the owner.
Speaker 3: Now, if the owner wants to decide and go ahead
Speaker 3: and sign him and give him the money, that's his prerogative.
Speaker 2: I understood that. But when we signed Chris, I made
Speaker 2: it very.
Speaker 3: Clear that that contract was completed between Pete Angelos and
Speaker 3: Scott Boris. Now, my good friend Larry Luchino said, well,
Speaker 3: if you let the agent get to the owner, then
Speaker 3: you didn't do your job. So the agent got to
Speaker 3: the owner in that case, and in that case I
Speaker 3: could have done.
Speaker 2: A better job.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't really a Of course, I supported Chris
Speaker 3: Davis and his contribution to the team.
Speaker 2: Did I support the values in the contract? No, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I made that clear.
Speaker 5: I feel like that's a meme waiting to happen in Baltimore,
Speaker 5: like Scott Boris crossing you up and you've fallen down,
Speaker 5: and then him just going to the hoop to find
Speaker 5: Peter Angelos to roll his contract into But I want
Speaker 5: you to. I want you to conversate about your eight
Speaker 5: years as the GM of the Oriels, comparing it to
Speaker 5: michae Elias's eight years success or lack of success, and
Speaker 5: how those two it's ironic that they're both the same
Speaker 5: time period or the same amount of time.
Speaker 2: All the time. Yeah, the well, I don't I don't know.
Speaker 3: I can talk about the success we had when I
Speaker 3: first got there. The biggest challenge when I got there
Speaker 3: was to build a pitching staff.
Speaker 2: You know, the Orioles for years.
Speaker 3: They thought that if you had sluggers, you could have
Speaker 3: a competitive team. But lo and behold, we know in
Speaker 3: the American League, eese, you need all the components of
Speaker 3: a team, right, and the first thing you need it's
Speaker 3: a game of defense. And the first line of defense,
Speaker 3: of course, is on the mid You guys know that
Speaker 3: as catchers, right, you got to have a good pitching staff.
Speaker 2: So you know, my job when I got there.
Speaker 3: Was to build a pitching staff and then to go
Speaker 3: out and you know, recruit some depth to the organization.
Speaker 3: We didn't have a lot of depth in the organization,
Speaker 3: and we were able to do that. I signed chen
Speaker 3: we Chen the left hander. When I got there, we
Speaker 3: signed uh, We traded for Jason Hammel, We got Mike
Speaker 3: Gonzalez from the Mexican League, and we were able to
Speaker 3: develop Chris, Chillman and Lo and behold, we had four starters.
Speaker 2: We had a pitching staff, and then you know, we
Speaker 2: built the bullpen.
Speaker 3: Buck artfully managed the bullpen to secure the leads. And
Speaker 3: then you know, we had some emerging talent. JJ Hardy
Speaker 3: had a great year. We had Matt Wieters, Adam Jones
Speaker 3: emerged as a good player, and then Chris Davis and Manny.
Speaker 3: They filled out the ball club and we did pretty good.
Speaker 3: Our our best year was twenty fourteen, and ironically we
Speaker 3: didn't have Machado, Widers or Davis on those teams for
Speaker 3: the playoffs. Remember, Manny got hurt, Matt Wieterers got hurt
Speaker 3: during the season, and Chris Davis got suspended for a
Speaker 3: temporary use exception violation. So if you remember, Steve Pierce
Speaker 3: started at first base, and I think Ryan Ryan Flaherty
Speaker 3: was our third baseman and our catcher was what was
Speaker 3: his name Nick? His dad was a football coach there.
Speaker 3: We got it from San Diego, N yeah, Nick Counley.
Speaker 3: Nick Counley, Nick did a great job managing the pitching staff,
Speaker 3: working with Dave Wallace and and and that that was
Speaker 3: as close as we got that that fourteen team. You know, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: that's the last team that won a playoff game for
Speaker 3: the for the Orioles, and.
Speaker 2: We didn't We didn't win any playoff games any Alcyes.
Speaker 3: We advanced in Kansas City, beat US the first game
Speaker 3: at home, and we ended up getting getting swept and
Speaker 3: I think, you know, Oriols fans are frustrated by that.
Speaker 3: We made the playoffs again in sixteen, but we got
Speaker 3: we got eliminated there and then you know, after that
Speaker 3: we had some issues with the organization was in transition,
Speaker 3: but we had five good years where the team had
Speaker 3: I think just about the best record in the American League.
Speaker 3: We had good leadership from Buck, Adam Jones, Nick Markakis,
Speaker 3: those guys.
Speaker 2: We were well received in the community, and.
Speaker 3: I think the frustration of the Oriole fans is that,
Speaker 3: you know, the Earls got back to the playoffs I
Speaker 3: think in twenty three and twenty four, and they expected
Speaker 3: that that would continue, and you know, that's not the
Speaker 3: way it goes in the American League.
Speaker 2: He's a tough, tough place to do business.
Speaker 5: Then I got clean one thing up. The Royals. We
Speaker 5: were an incredible team. Even though I didn't play. I
Speaker 5: was on the team and I got to watch. But
Speaker 5: I think leaders play in the series. But I remember
Speaker 5: thinking Chris Davis not playing because he took out of
Speaker 5: all the therapeutic use in whatever the thing that the
Speaker 5: twenty five game suspension, I thought Chris Davis not being
Speaker 5: in that lineup was the biggest hurt for you guys
Speaker 5: because you just didn't have that one dude.
Speaker 8: That was like, oh ah, well, you know, I agree
Speaker 8: with you, because at the time it happened, I thought,
Speaker 8: you know, this is this is going to really hurt
Speaker 8: us because here's a left handed power hitter.
Speaker 2: He's a significant power threat. And you know that Kansas.
Speaker 3: City Ballpark that plays pretty big that ballpark, and I
Speaker 3: knew that if we didn't have the left handed power
Speaker 3: threat in the lineup with Chris.
Speaker 2: That that was going to be that was going to
Speaker 2: be an issue for us.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's interesting that you said that because
Speaker 3: at the time it happened, I thought, you know, all
Speaker 3: the things that could happen to us down the stretch.
Speaker 2: This is going to be a blow that's going to
Speaker 2: be hard to overcome.
Speaker 4: Dan, How long should a GM have? How long should
Speaker 4: a DM president of baseball?
Speaker 6: Half?
Speaker 4: Because you you said eight years? Michael Lias is on
Speaker 4: his eighth year, right, they haven't won a playoff game.
Speaker 4: There's some gems that last short, and there's some gems
Speaker 4: that last long. So what should be the time? And
Speaker 4: I always joke on here, Oh, every GM says give
Speaker 4: me five more years, because I got to get a
Speaker 4: new wave of players, right.
Speaker 2: Oh those were my players.
Speaker 4: Now I get five years with my players, right. So
Speaker 4: what's it? What's a good timetable for a GM to
Speaker 4: have success and get to the point that you were
Speaker 4: just were talking about.
Speaker 3: How about how about these guys that come into these
Speaker 3: jobs and they tear it down, They say, we gotta
Speaker 3: we got to get a rebuild, right, and the yeah,
Speaker 3: they they go through the rebuild and then they said, oh,
Speaker 3: we got we got to get another rebuild. My my
Speaker 3: mentor was Harry Dalton, and he told me, he said,
Speaker 3: if you can't get it done in seven years, you
Speaker 3: got to start looking for another opportunity. A guy named
Speaker 3: Lee Cluck just wrote a biography on Harry Dalton and
Speaker 3: it's called Leave while the Party's Good.
Speaker 2: And Harry left Baltimore when when they were winning Penance
Speaker 2: Right and and winning World Reason. He went on to
Speaker 2: California and then he was there for about seven years.
Speaker 2: Then he went on somewhere else. And in my career,
Speaker 2: I was seven years in Milwaukee. I started out with
Speaker 2: the Brewers. I went to Montreal. I was seven years
Speaker 2: in Montreal. I went to Boston. I was there for
Speaker 2: a little more than seven years, and I went to
Speaker 2: Baltimore and I was there for seven years. So I'm
Speaker 2: kind of on the seven year thing.
Speaker 3: If you can, if you can get it done and
Speaker 3: win a pennant, you should be able to go on
Speaker 3: to a tenure, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean very few guys do what Brian Cash has
Speaker 2: been able to do.
Speaker 3: It's actually remarkable to stay with one club for as
Speaker 3: long as he as he has and to have a
Speaker 3: competitive team every single year. That's the gold standard and
Speaker 3: that's what we should all aspire to, I believe as executives.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't always happen that way.
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Speaker 5: Trade deadline just ended and teams to kind of didn't
Speaker 5: quite go all in. As a former GM, do you
Speaker 5: look at it and go man like If you don't
Speaker 5: go all in who cares or do you now look
Speaker 5: at it in a different way of like, well, you
Speaker 5: know why you keep your job and you don't get fired.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm you know, I'm still I'm still of the
Speaker 3: mind I'm kind of like George Allen was when he
Speaker 3: was in the NFL. Right, George Allen says, you go,
Speaker 3: go go, And George would commit to veteran players to
Speaker 3: try to have as good a team or as competitive
Speaker 3: a team as.
Speaker 2: He wants as he could have every single year.
Speaker 3: So I'm more of that mindset, and I have a
Speaker 3: lot of respect for the guys that give up the
Speaker 3: prospects when they have an opportunity. You know, Brian Savian said,
Speaker 3: you know this is my reason to be around the
Speaker 3: trade deadline, right. You know Dave don Browski, he'll do
Speaker 3: whatever it takes to get his team in a position. Now,
Speaker 3: when you do that and you're more aggressive, I think
Speaker 3: you're showing some leadership. You're also opening yourself up to
Speaker 3: criticism right in that you could give up a player
Speaker 3: that you know could go on and be very good,
Speaker 3: and that would count against your track record. But you know,
Speaker 3: given that the playoffs are there and there's more teams,
Speaker 3: there's more opportunity. To me, I think you should get
Speaker 3: after it now. You know, are there's some teams that
Speaker 3: are not as strong as others. Yeah, but look what
Speaker 3: Texas did a couple of years ago, right, they got
Speaker 3: into the tournament on the wild card and they they
Speaker 3: rode the experience of Bruce Bochi and the way he
Speaker 3: handle his pitchers in the series and they ran the table.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I think the Red Sox got in got in the
Speaker 3: playoffs one year as a wildcard team and they were
Speaker 3: in the table. So, you know, if you can add
Speaker 3: to your team and your team gels.
Speaker 2: And you got the depth, then your guys are healthy.
Speaker 2: You got some.
Speaker 3: Starting pitching that's pretty good. You know that second season
Speaker 3: is a second season. And if you got you know,
Speaker 3: some really good pitchers, you know, I think you owe
Speaker 3: it to your fans and your team and your ownership
Speaker 3: to get after it, you know. I mean you got
Speaker 3: to use common sense too, Like like the Red Sox.
Speaker 3: Look at how they turned their season around. I mean,
Speaker 3: just extraordinary work there. Chad Tracy looks like he's a
Speaker 3: natural manager. Turned that team around.
Speaker 2: But look how quickly they turned their team around.
Speaker 3: They had good defense, they had good pitching and then
Speaker 3: they started to hit the ball right, they got some
Speaker 3: offensive contribution, and you know, they turned their team around.
Speaker 3: It matter three weeks. So, I mean, we've all seen it. Right,
Speaker 3: maybe it's an anomaly. But if you get a hot
Speaker 3: team and you get turned around, baseball is baseball.
Speaker 2: You can beat anybody. No.
Speaker 3: You know, Oakland beat the Red Sox twice over the weekend, right,
Speaker 3: nobody expected that that.
Speaker 2: That's one of the lower echelon teams in the league.
Speaker 2: And they go into.
Speaker 3: Boston they beat the Red Sox couple of games. But
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know. I guess I'm an old
Speaker 3: school guy. I think you should get after. I think
Speaker 3: that's what the fans really want you to do.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what players really want too.
Speaker 5: But do you think gms are don't believe in their
Speaker 5: team and that's why they don't push all in or
Speaker 5: are they afraid of the criticism that you had mentioned.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's bold, Eric, But I
Speaker 3: also think that you know, you can calibrate the risk, right, like,
Speaker 3: what are your odds of getting into the playoffs?
Speaker 2: What are your chances of advancing?
Speaker 3: You know, and you can you can mitigate some of
Speaker 3: those risks in the moves that you make, and by
Speaker 3: having as much depth and as good as a top
Speaker 3: instructional staff to get the most out of your talent.
Speaker 3: But I also think you got to look at it
Speaker 3: realistically and if if you have some holes in your
Speaker 3: lineup or your roster construction, I think you've got to
Speaker 3: do everything in your power.
Speaker 2: To address those, right.
Speaker 3: You know, that shortstop with the with the Marlins, right,
Speaker 3: he's one of the best hitters in the league.
Speaker 2: They picked him up on a waiver plane.
Speaker 3: They got him on a waiver plane from another major
Speaker 3: league team.
Speaker 2: What's his name, Lopez? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And that that that kids, he's one of the best
Speaker 3: players in the league and they got him for whatever
Speaker 3: the waiver price is.
Speaker 2: You know, so I think you know you have to try,
Speaker 2: You got to push.
Speaker 3: This is the big leagues, and you have to have
Speaker 3: a certain standard, right for your team and for your
Speaker 3: big leagues because your fans have certain standards for the
Speaker 3: performance of your team.
Speaker 2: You hear it every single day, and I think you
Speaker 2: got to do everything when you're.
Speaker 3: In a leadership position you can to fulfill those expectations
Speaker 3: of the fans, right, And.
Speaker 2: You know, the guys down in your dugout, in your clubhouse.
Speaker 3: Those guys are grinding it out every single day, and
Speaker 3: you bring up a good point, Eric, that's what the
Speaker 3: players want. I mean, who's in this just to get
Speaker 3: a paycheck? Brett met very few people that are in
Speaker 3: baseball just to get a paycheck.
Speaker 2: Right, You have to go to work. You have to
Speaker 2: grind it out every day.
Speaker 3: You have to compete, you have to get yourself ready,
Speaker 3: you have to get your rest, I mean the whole
Speaker 3: You have to make all these sacrifices with your family.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's tough, but you know, I think at
Speaker 2: the end, you.
Speaker 3: Know, if you're in the front office, you owe it
Speaker 3: to your fans and to the people there, and to
Speaker 3: the owners and to yourself to just get after it.
Speaker 2: When you can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew Miller, Nelson, Cruz, some of those big acquisitions
Speaker 1: that you guys made at the time. I just really
Speaker 1: thought it resonated at the top of the note that
Speaker 1: you sent into the Sun about Hey, team was terrible
Speaker 1: for a long time. You could have done the scrap
Speaker 1: it all down five year rebuild instead. A fast forward
Speaker 1: A year later, twenty twelve, the team starts making the
Speaker 1: playoffs and goes on that run. So this was helpful. Dan,
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the conversation. Thanks for sharing all of
Speaker 1: that with us, because, hey, it sounds like it was yesterday,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people forget that the Oriels had
Speaker 1: some nice little playoff runs in there. I remember covering them.
Speaker 1: So thanks for the time. Great to see you again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good to see you guys again. I appreciate it's
Speaker 3: good to talked to you. And you know that catchers
Speaker 3: the tools of ignorance. That's a miss snomer guys. You
Speaker 3: know that right.
Speaker 1: That's why we have two of them on here almost
Speaker 1: every day.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. Thanks Dan, talk to you.
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, guys, I appreciate it.