WEBVTT - Former Orioles GM Dan Duquette joins; pushes back on leaving a “mess” 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.080 Former Big League gm Danduquet joining us right now on 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.360 ft DAN. Great to catch up with you again. It's 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:15.080 good to see you and how's everything been? 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:17.759 See you guys. How are you doing? 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:20.599 We are good, So we have a lot to get 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:22.119 to with you. But I do want to start with 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:25.360 the headliner. I mean, you sent in some words to 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:27.560 the Baltimore Sun that I thought were really cool. I mean, 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.040 you had a great run, and I remember covering your 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:32.360 team there with you and Buck for a good run 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.599 at the time, and many other notable names and faces Machado, 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.440 Adam Jones, etc. So can you run through kind of 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:41.080 what you've seen in terms of the narrative around Baltimore 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:42.720 and then what your response was. 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:48.280 Yeah, well, the I wrote a short letter because I 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:53.120 didn't like the fact that they said that the organization. 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:55.480 When I left it was a mess, because it wasn't 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:55.840 a mess. 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:01.080 I've always prided myself I'm having a good organization and infrastructure, 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.400 and I left good teams, actually my best team I 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.039 left in Montreal when I left there to go to Boston. 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.000 And in Boston when I left, I left them the 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:16.440 foundation which they leveraged a couple of championships, shortly after 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:18.240 I left. 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.720 There, and then in Baltimore, we did the same things. 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.120 You know, Bill Parcell says, you know, you got to 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.160 have some groceries in the cupboard, and I think we 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.720 left some groceries in the cupboard there and a pretty 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:31.800 solid foundation. 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:35.040 I mean, anytime you're in baseball for a long time, 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.160 you're going to have some good years and some bad years. 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.160 And of course when you have a bad year, a 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.880 lot of times you don't get the opportunity for another year. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:46.280 But I thought that we did some really good work 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.560 in Baltimore, and J. C. 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.600 Meyer just dismissed our work entirely, saying it was a mess. 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.560 And it really wasn't a mess because the team had 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:58.880 a lot of good players that they could use for 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.240 a foundation to come back and make the playoffs just. 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:03.800 A couple of years later. 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.720 And I think Mike Mike Elias acknowledged that when he 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.040 gave us credit for a lot of the players that 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:12.960 helped the Ools get back to the playoffs in twenty 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.440 three or twenty four. But I just didn't like the 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:21.720 reporter didn't really do any fact checking, and I just 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.040 wanted to point out a couple. 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.680 Of facts and that is that we had some good years. 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.520 In Baltimore, and when we did leave, they had the 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:30.800 foundation of a decent organization. 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.839 Good for you, Dan, Good for you for firing back 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.959 on you know, whatever you want to call it, fake news, 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.680 false reporting, bad report, whatever you want to call it. 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.119 Good for you on firing back. I have a couple 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.040 of questions for you. One, you did a great job. 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.280 Once you got there, the Orioles became relevant again because 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.160 for years the Orioles were like, Oh, we're going to Baltimore, 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.600 we're winning at least two out of three, and we're 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.000 probably gonna sweep them. But once you got there, things 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.120 change for the Oriols of low So I want to 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.680 give you credit a ton of credit for that. And 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:01.440 then the the other thing is I wonder how handcuffed 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.639 you were because we've heard for years that the Oriols 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.360 didn't sign international prospects. And I don't want to bag 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.120 on the Angelo's family. I know they don't own the 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.800 team anymore, but how handcuffed were you as the GM 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:16.880 as far as international prospects and free agent signings go, Well. 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.760 When you talk about international prospects, you know that, and 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.160 signing international prospects and good ones. 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.160 That was a core competency of mind. 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:28.519 And actually the reason the Red Sox hired me is 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:33.160 they wanted me to help them develop an international recruiting 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:37.040 network like we had in Montreal. So I went to 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:41.240 Boston and I did that. In fact, our international did 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:42.040 really well. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:42.520 You know. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:48.240 We we signed Handley Ramiers, the left handed pitcher we 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:53.520 sent to Colorado. He ended up in Colorado. We sent 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:57.520 him to Arizona. The Red Sox center for Kurt Shilling. 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.680 They were from our international. I mean, I always was 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:07.360 good on recruiting and sourcing players from international markets. And 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.160 when I got to the Orioles, one of the biggest 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.320 disappointments I had was that I couldn't compete. I couldn't 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.280 convince Pete Angelo. So the value of that to the team. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.279 And when you're competing in the American League East against 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.839 all these other teams, the Red Sox, the Yankees, the 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.039 Blue Jays, those are all major market teams in Tampa 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.720 and they're all active in the international market. You have 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.520 to have some sort of foundation. And I wasn't able 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:35.160 to convince mister Angelos to that. His sons, when they 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:39.320 started operating the club, they understood that, and the Orioles 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:44.520 opened up their international signings much bigger than when I 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:48.320 was there, when when Michael Aias got there. But that 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.440 wasn't that wasn't a choice of mine, you know that 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.400 that was it. That's a handicap because that's a source 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.479 of talent. And you look at the players in the 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.320 big leagues, I think, what about thirty percent some of 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:04.159 the stars, maybe even more coming from international markets. And 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.880 if you're trying to compete without being aggressive in the 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.680 international markets, you're you're really going into a fight with 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.520 one hand tied behind your back. But be that as 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:18.440 it may, that was the choice of the ownership and 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.800 I wasn't able to convince them during my time there 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.480 that we should be aggressive in that regard, and I 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.200 think the club paid a price for that. 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.080 You know, you've seen the Orioles. 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.800 They got a terrific catcher there in Bassalo, right. He 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.480 was one of their first signings that they got coming back. 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.640 But you know, to me, Harry Dalton told me that 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:40.919 aggressive scouting builds winning ball clubs, and being aggressive and 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.919 scouting recruiting on the international market would be, you know, 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.400 one of the pedestals to support your stool to have 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:49.039 a competitive team. 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:51.560 We talk about it all the time on here about 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:55.200 how some owners just get in the way of a GM. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.479 Is it because you wanted to keep your job that 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.880 the owners you know that that gms don't want to 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.599 get fired. Is there a way to navigate that or 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.680 how hard you try to navigate that because that was 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:08.720 something that you were good at? 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:15.440 Eric, You know, every every team has its challenges, right, 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.120 And if you're a top executive, you have to learn 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:20.240 to work with all. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.040 Sorts of people, right. 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.479 You have to learn to learn to work with people 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:27.719 alongside of you, people that you supervise, people that you 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:29.880 report to, and you know that. 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:31.520 That's really part of the job. 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:38.159 Having said that, there are some ownership situations where you 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:44.839 know they understand the value of empowering people and letting them, 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:46.480 you know, do their job. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:46.760 Right. 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.440 So, as an executive, if I know what I'm good 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:55.040 at and I go and do that that's my core competency, 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.640 then I try to find other people that are good 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.240 at things that I'm not so good at to fill 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:02.160 out the team, right. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.920 And I think I think, uh, you know, every executive 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:10.520 has those challenges. Uh, It's just that you know, in baseball, 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.240 some of those challenges are a little bit more significant, 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:17.680 and certainly Baltimore was a significant challenge when it came 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.400 to dealing with the owners. 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.360 But you know, having. 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.240 Said that, you know we still found a way to 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.760 have a very highly competitive team and be very good 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.720 for a period of time. And then, uh, you know, 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.840 mister Angelos his health situation changed, and then you know 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.160 that changed the big dynamics around. 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:37.640 In that franchise. 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.120 Science experiment for the one minute, we had to tell 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.880 you about why we love Quint's electrolytes, including watermelon salt, 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.120 raspberry salt. 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Can you go through maybe even 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.040 a little bit of that process, like, hey, yeah, we 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.080 want to sign him and you're like a bet or 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.920 not and how that all plays out. Obviously we know 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.640 he got that large contract. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.240 Well, Chris got a large contract. The reason he got 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.720 a large contract is he was a good power hitter. 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:11.319 Having said that at the opening press conference at the 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.760 night we signed him, when they asked me about how 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.600 the contract came together, I made it very clear that 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:22.679 Chris's agent had finished the contract with mister Angelo as 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.080 the owner of the team, because you know, I had 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.000 done my own work on. 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:33.720 The market, and my work on the market found that 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:38.160 there wasn't as robust a market anywhere near as close 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.599 to what the Oriels ended up giving Chris Davis, and 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.640 as an executive, it was my. 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.760 Duty, if you will, to report that to the owner. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:51.760 Now, if the owner wants to decide and go ahead 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.679 and sign him and give him the money, that's his prerogative. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.880 I understood that. But when we signed Chris, I made 0:09:57.920 --> 0:09:58.520 it very. 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:04.680 Clear that that contract was completed between Pete Angelos and 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.560 Scott Boris. Now, my good friend Larry Luchino said, well, 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.520 if you let the agent get to the owner, then 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.839 you didn't do your job. So the agent got to 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.120 the owner in that case, and in that case I 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:17.840 could have done. 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:18.360 A better job. 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:25.920 But it wasn't really a Of course, I supported Chris 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:27.960 Davis and his contribution to the team. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.720 Did I support the values in the contract? No, I didn't. 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:31.640 I made that clear. 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.199 I feel like that's a meme waiting to happen in Baltimore, 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.480 like Scott Boris crossing you up and you've fallen down, 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.600 and then him just going to the hoop to find 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:45.160 Peter Angelos to roll his contract into But I want 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:48.760 you to. I want you to conversate about your eight 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.960 years as the GM of the Oriels, comparing it to 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:57.080 michae Elias's eight years success or lack of success, and 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:01.120 how those two it's ironic that they're both the same 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.640 time period or the same amount of time. 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:08.760 All the time. Yeah, the well, I don't I don't know. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.840 I can talk about the success we had when I 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:16.040 first got there. The biggest challenge when I got there 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:17.720 was to build a pitching staff. 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.640 You know, the Orioles for years. 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.480 They thought that if you had sluggers, you could have 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.400 a competitive team. But lo and behold, we know in 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.840 the American League, eese, you need all the components of 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.240 a team, right, and the first thing you need it's 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.760 a game of defense. And the first line of defense, 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:37.880 of course, is on the mid You guys know that 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:42.000 as catchers, right, you got to have a good pitching staff. 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.200 So you know, my job when I got there. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:49.160 Was to build a pitching staff and then to go 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:52.520 out and you know, recruit some depth to the organization. 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:54.520 We didn't have a lot of depth in the organization, 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:59.839 and we were able to do that. I signed chen 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.880 we Chen the left hander. When I got there, we 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:08.720 signed uh, We traded for Jason Hammel, We got Mike 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.800 Gonzalez from the Mexican League, and we were able to 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.640 develop Chris, Chillman and Lo and behold, we had four starters. 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.559 We had a pitching staff, and then you know, we 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:18.760 built the bullpen. 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:23.400 Buck artfully managed the bullpen to secure the leads. And 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:28.000 then you know, we had some emerging talent. JJ Hardy 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:32.080 had a great year. We had Matt Wieters, Adam Jones 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.440 emerged as a good player, and then Chris Davis and Manny. 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:40.439 They filled out the ball club and we did pretty good. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:47.240 Our our best year was twenty fourteen, and ironically we 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:52.560 didn't have Machado, Widers or Davis on those teams for 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:57.000 the playoffs. Remember, Manny got hurt, Matt Wieterers got hurt 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.400 during the season, and Chris Davis got suspended for a 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:06.560 temporary use exception violation. So if you remember, Steve Pierce 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:10.480 started at first base, and I think Ryan Ryan Flaherty 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:16.960 was our third baseman and our catcher was what was 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.559 his name Nick? His dad was a football coach there. 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:24.120 We got it from San Diego, N yeah, Nick Counley. 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.200 Nick Counley, Nick did a great job managing the pitching staff, 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:31.200 working with Dave Wallace and and and that that was 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:36.920 as close as we got that that fourteen team. You know, unfortunately, 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:41.280 that's the last team that won a playoff game for 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:42.800 the for the Orioles, and. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.960 We didn't We didn't win any playoff games any Alcyes. 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.040 We advanced in Kansas City, beat US the first game 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.080 at home, and we ended up getting getting swept and 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.120 I think, you know, Oriols fans are frustrated by that. 0:13:56.440 --> 0:14:01.960 We made the playoffs again in sixteen, but we got 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.040 we got eliminated there and then you know, after that 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.439 we had some issues with the organization was in transition, 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.520 but we had five good years where the team had 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.160 I think just about the best record in the American League. 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.600 We had good leadership from Buck, Adam Jones, Nick Markakis, 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:20.360 those guys. 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:25.240 We were well received in the community, and. 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.960 I think the frustration of the Oriole fans is that, 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.520 you know, the Earls got back to the playoffs I 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.080 think in twenty three and twenty four, and they expected 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.120 that that would continue, and you know, that's not the 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:38.520 way it goes in the American League. 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.400 He's a tough, tough place to do business. 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.840 Then I got clean one thing up. The Royals. We 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.440 were an incredible team. Even though I didn't play. I 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.040 was on the team and I got to watch. But 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.760 I think leaders play in the series. But I remember 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.480 thinking Chris Davis not playing because he took out of 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.160 all the therapeutic use in whatever the thing that the 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:04.280 twenty five game suspension, I thought Chris Davis not being 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.840 in that lineup was the biggest hurt for you guys 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:09.800 because you just didn't have that one dude. 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:14.000 That was like, oh ah, well, you know, I agree 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.160 with you, because at the time it happened, I thought, 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.320 you know, this is this is going to really hurt 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.960 us because here's a left handed power hitter. 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:25.560 He's a significant power threat. And you know that Kansas. 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:29.840 City Ballpark that plays pretty big that ballpark, and I 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.640 knew that if we didn't have the left handed power 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.080 threat in the lineup with Chris. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.040 That that was going to be that was going to 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:38.040 be an issue for us. 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.920 So you know, it's interesting that you said that because 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.720 at the time it happened, I thought, you know, all 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.240 the things that could happen to us down the stretch. 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.000 This is going to be a blow that's going to 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:49.880 be hard to overcome. 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.040 Dan, How long should a GM have? How long should 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:55.480 a DM president of baseball? 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:55.800 Half? 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.640 Because you you said eight years? Michael Lias is on 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:00.800 his eighth year, right, they haven't won a playoff game. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.560 There's some gems that last short, and there's some gems 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.720 that last long. So what should be the time? And 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.200 I always joke on here, Oh, every GM says give 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.040 me five more years, because I got to get a 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:11.120 new wave of players, right. 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:12.280 Oh those were my players. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.960 Now I get five years with my players, right. So 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.760 what's it? What's a good timetable for a GM to 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:19.920 have success and get to the point that you were 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:20.760 just were talking about. 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.160 How about how about these guys that come into these 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.240 jobs and they tear it down, They say, we gotta 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:31.280 we got to get a rebuild, right, and the yeah, 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.400 they they go through the rebuild and then they said, oh, 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:38.680 we got we got to get another rebuild. My my 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.040 mentor was Harry Dalton, and he told me, he said, 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:42.960 if you can't get it done in seven years, you 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:47.560 got to start looking for another opportunity. A guy named 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.480 Lee Cluck just wrote a biography on Harry Dalton and 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.680 it's called Leave while the Party's Good. 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:57.200 And Harry left Baltimore when when they were winning Penance 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.920 Right and and winning World Reason. He went on to 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.200 California and then he was there for about seven years. 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.679 Then he went on somewhere else. And in my career, 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.919 I was seven years in Milwaukee. I started out with 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.200 the Brewers. I went to Montreal. I was seven years 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.720 in Montreal. I went to Boston. I was there for 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:19.800 a little more than seven years, and I went to 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.360 Baltimore and I was there for seven years. 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Right, George Allen says, you go, 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:32.760 go go, And George would commit to veteran players to 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.560 try to have as good a team or as competitive 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:36.200 a team as. 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.000 He wants as he could have every single year. 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.760 So I'm more of that mindset, and I have a 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.440 lot of respect for the guys that give up the 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:50.160 prospects when they have an opportunity. You know, Brian Savian said, 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:52.600 you know this is my reason to be around the 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:57.199 trade deadline, right. You know Dave don Browski, he'll do 0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:59.680 whatever it takes to get his team in a position. Now, 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.920 when you do that and you're more aggressive, I think 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.920 you're showing some leadership. You're also opening yourself up to 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:09.480 criticism right in that you could give up a player 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.760 that you know could go on and be very good, 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:17.560 and that would count against your track record. But you know, 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:22.159 given that the playoffs are there and there's more teams, 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:26.000 there's more opportunity. To me, I think you should get 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:29.400 after it now. You know, are there's some teams that 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.080 are not as strong as others. Yeah, but look what 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:34.320 Texas did a couple of years ago, right, they got 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:38.400 into the tournament on the wild card and they they 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.520 rode the experience of Bruce Bochi and the way he 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.760 handle his pitchers in the series and they ran the table. 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:45.040 Right. 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.159 I think the Red Sox got in got in the 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:50.720 playoffs one year as a wildcard team and they were 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:54.840 in the table. So, you know, if you can add 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:57.640 to your team and your team gels. 0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.600 And you got the depth, then your guys are healthy. 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:01.680