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Speaker 1: O La La Loka mos. I'm Fiosta and I'm Mala.

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Speaker 1: We are back. It's still season ten, a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a hiatus to recover and to plan and to celebrate.

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Speaker 1: There's so much to discuss today.

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Speaker 2: We did a little traveling.

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Speaker 3: We won some awards, accepted such awards. We got back

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Speaker 3: into producing and hosting our live show, Loka Live, a

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Speaker 3: podcast party.

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Speaker 2: We did a little mini two part tour.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about all of that today and

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Speaker 3: the new Selena Yulos Linos documentary on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with our trip. And you were traveling before

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Speaker 1: then as well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So, as some of you may remember or

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Speaker 3: may recall, I am currently in film school. I'm at

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Speaker 3: USC at the School of Metic Arts. I'm pursuing my

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Speaker 3: MFA in Film and Television production. So exciting news, guys.

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Speaker 3: A film that I produced last semester in the spring

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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty five, a documentary called All of Us Girls,

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Speaker 3: directed by Efong Wong, was accepted as an official selection

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Speaker 3: into the Saint Louis International Film Festival WOHO. So me

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Speaker 3: and my crew of USC filmmakers we flew out to

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Speaker 3: first festival, and this was my first time having work

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Speaker 3: showing at a film festival. Biosa and I worked at

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Speaker 3: and we have submitted work to a film festival, but

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Speaker 3: this is the first time that's something actually has been selected.

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Speaker 3: So it was a really exciting time. It was very fun.

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Speaker 3: Saint Louis is a beautiful city. I had a great time.

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Speaker 3: Everyone was so friendly, and the festival just felt like

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Speaker 3: this is these are lovers of cinema, These are cinema files.

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Speaker 3: They love cinema, they love everything about it. And there

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Speaker 3: was a moment and I was telling Yosa about this,

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Speaker 3: and it was so relevant because after Saint Louis, I

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Speaker 3: flew to New York to meet up with Yosa for

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Speaker 3: the Signal Awards. But there was a moment where I

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Speaker 3: went to like a networking coffee. Right, I told you

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Speaker 1: You did, And I would love for you to share

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Speaker 1: it on the podcast because it is quite the story.

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Speaker 3: One that's not foreign to us, one that we actually

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Speaker 3: hear all the time because we work in entertainment and

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Speaker 3: we are LA girls. We are from here, born and raised,

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Speaker 3: so this is like was nothing new, and so when

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Speaker 3: this filmmakers networking coffee and these are all filmmakers with

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Speaker 3: international film festival. And there was a one filmmaker in

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Speaker 3: particular from New York City, of course, who started out

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Speaker 3: of nowhere, without prompting, by the way, just started talking

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Speaker 3: so fake. Quote, LA has no soul. Quote there is

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Speaker 3: And I swear it felt like they and then others

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Speaker 2: Everybody's only there to network.

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Speaker 3: And of course I waited, and I bided my time,

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Speaker 3: and then opportunity struck and I said, you know, it's

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Speaker 3: And you know, La really is that girl, because even

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Speaker 3: You know, she's that bitch when she starts all this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Obsessed. And it really is like the things that we

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Speaker 1: I can see why New Yorkers then moved to La

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles, Okay. New York was settled by the Dutch,

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Speaker 3: rancho Okay, So everything was spread out. And the way

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Speaker 1: First of all, California was Alta Cali. It was a

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Speaker 1: the car industry, right, like the car industry is and

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Speaker 1: We're a very car dependent city and that is by design.

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Speaker 1: much internet dialogue, discourse, hilarious memes, and one of my

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Speaker 3: They're they're the voice that we need now. They need

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Speaker 1: Everything went wrong when the Bodego Boys broke up. They

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Speaker 1: award winning podcasts like The Bodega Boys, we were in

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Speaker 3: Yes, we did a double gold victory, so we had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so exciting, and just to be in

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: We took meetings, we schmoozed, we got photos and our content,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, And it's also our first award, like

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Speaker 1: we have her on such a high pedestal and she

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00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: will remain there, and she should remain there. And I

438
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: think that this documentary allows us to see this more

439
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: vulnerable side of her, the side of her that's multidimensional,

440
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: because I think when we put women, especially like on

441
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: this pedestal, and we put someone like her in sainthood,

442
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: like in some ways, we're like, we're reducing who they are,

443
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: and it can be reductive and it uncomplicates them, right

444
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: because they're quote perfect or they're you know so culturally

445
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: significant and impactful, and all of that is still true.

446
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: But we see a version of her that I don't

447
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: think the public has seen before for very obvious reasons,

448
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: because there are ways that you are around your family

449
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: that you are only around your family, And so I

450
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: think to see her talk about how, like you mentioned Mala,

451
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: how hard it was for her to be touring, right,

452
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: And she said in an interview where we're seeing like

453
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 1: the BTS part of her being interviewed where she says

454
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: that she lost a lot of her youth because she

455
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: didn't really have friends that she was in contact with,

456
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: considering the time period and her finishing high school by

457
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: mail and really missing out on all these milestones that

458
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 1: when we think of adolescence and growing up, she was

459
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: growing up like touring and gigging.

460
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: Abe in the documentary mentions that their father Abraham saw

461
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: the Jackson five and sort of said, oh, well, we

462
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 3: can be like a Mexican Jackson five, and let's get

463
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: all the kids in the band and everyone's going to

464
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 3: perform and tour and the kids are working, the kids

465
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 3: are gigging, the kids are earning checks, the kids are professionals.

466
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: It also reminds me of Beyonce and Destiny's child and

467
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: the dad manager who is instrumental in their rise to fame.

468
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: But I think Beyonce also, you know, her song sixteen Carriages,

469
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 3: I think has a lot to do with her loss

470
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: of innocence and her loss of a childhood because like Selena,

471
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: she was working and rehearsing and touring and gigging at

472
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 3: a very young age and it never stopped. So there's

473
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 3: there's definitely these child stars or these celebs, these superstars

474
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: who started that path as very young kids. I don't

475
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: see how you can have a normal childhood and go

476
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: to school every day and be on the playground and

477
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 3: go to sleepovers and birthday parties and then become a

478
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: Selena or a Beyonce, it's sort of one or the other.

479
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: And these girls, these women experienced that sacrifice to become

480
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 3: the superstars that they were, and who knows what heights

481
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 3: Selena would have reached had her life not been cut short.

482
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: But if you haven't seen the documentary, I highly recommend it.

483
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: It's a really beautiful watch and of course heart wrenching.

484
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: Be prepared to cry, as we do with anything Selena related.

485
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: We know the love story in her and Chris and

486
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: how her family was so against them being together, them

487
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: being married, something that the documentary really only twenty years

488
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: old when they got married. She was only twenty, right,

489
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: and we think about like, I was twenty nine when

490
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: I got married, and I'm like, I was a child bride.

491
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: I felt so still now when I say twenty nine,

492
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, that is so young. There's a lot of

493
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: like farandula She's meant theories about the family, I think,

494
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: especially her father, and you know, the documentary really highlights

495
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: she was only twenty years old and there was a

496
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: lot of reason for her family to have these reservations

497
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: about her getting married. Right and now with time and retrospect,

498
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: something that struck me, and then I then Susette said,

499
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: it was like, I'm really glad she did it because

500
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: she actually got to experience love and being a wife

501
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: and being married, and she didn't get to experience becoming

502
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: a mother. For all the reasons that we know, not

503
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: to reduce the mess the film, but it really does

504
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: feel like we only have one life. We literally never

505
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen to us. Our life can

506
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: change drastically, our life can end tragically suddenly, and these

507
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: choices that we make really do have so much impact.

508
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: And that bold choice that she made to marry her

509
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: love right her partner, was one that she got to like,

510
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: a love that she got to experience and enjoy like

511
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: in her very short life.

512
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it strikes me that he was probably he

513
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: was her friend, you know, and for someone who couldn't

514
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 3: have friends because she was on the road and touring,

515
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 3: he was also her friend. And so she made a

516
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: choice to do something for herself and not for the band,

517
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: and not for the fans, and not for her dad,

518
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: but just for her.

519
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: So I'm so I agree with Susanne. I'm so glad

520
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: that she did.

521
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: That, because then she would have never had that she

522
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: would have never had that, and she gave us so much,

523
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: gave every so much and shared so much of herself

524
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: that she deserved to have that person that was just

525
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: her person.

526
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: Anything Selena really like I'm in. We don't always love

527
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: all of the projects, but it's out of love and

528
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: adoration and respect for Selena and her legacy. Something that

529
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 1: I hear often online there's this sentiment that like, let

530
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: Selena rest and stop profiting off of her memory and

531
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: her legacy. And I think there's also this respect to

532
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: be had to her family or for her family, and

533
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: for Selena and her legacy. And when you hear her talk,

534
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: especially in this documentary about her legacy and what she wanted,

535
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: like it ends with her saying, I will be here

536
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: as long as the public wants me, and we do.

537
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: We still want her, Like without us wanting more from

538
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: her story or learning more about her story and her background, like,

539
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be putting it out. And I think that's

540
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: also something we should consider too, is how also the

541
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: fans and the community drives new new production, right new music,

542
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: even which I don't agree with, like the AI album right,

543
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: I think that came out a couple of years ago.

544
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: But there's also because there's a want for it.

545
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: It's true, it's true.

546
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: One is no one's going to stop making Marilyn Monroe

547
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: merch because she's iconic, legend, superstar status forever and ever.

548
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: And Selena has entered and has been in that sphere

549
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: for some time now. So I think it's a testament

550
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: to like, she's a true star, a true star, and

551
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: stars never fade, so as long as there's there's material

552
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: to share, and clearly they had all of this material,

553
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: you know, I think that the public never truly had

554
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: their their Selena craving satisfied because her career was ended

555
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: so and her life was ended so quickly.

556
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: So it's it's this.

557
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: No, but we know that there's more, and we want

558
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: more because we love her. So I'm all for it

559
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: as long as it's done well and respectfully. There have been,

560
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: like you said, there have been projects that have not

561
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 3: been done so well. Maybe in a hurry, I don't know.

562
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: I don't know, But as long as it's done well

563
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: and with reverence, we love it because we are fans.

564
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: We are fans, so I love the documentary because it

565
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 3: was her, it was truly her.

566
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't go anywhere. Look amotives, We'll be right back.

567
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: And we're back with more of our episode.

568
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: And this got me thinking, Mala, like, what documentary about

569
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: a Latina artists past or present do you want to see?

570
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: So I was thinking about this and the documentary and

571
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: feature film that I would love to say is about

572
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: Tango Lele who just passed away in February of this year,

573
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. Rest in peace. She passed at the

574
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: age of ninety three. You guys may have seen some

575
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: news articles about her passing, but maybe you're not familiar

576
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: with Togo Lele so also born Yolanda Montez. She was

577
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: from Spokane, Washington. She was a dancer who at the

578
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: age of like fourteen fifteen, relocated herself alone to Mexico City,

579
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: lied about her age and started dancing in the cabarets

580
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: and the nightclubs in Mexico. She was an exotic dancer.

581
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: She was a cabaret dancer. She was a showgirl. And

582
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: if you've ever seen photos of like a very beautiful,

583
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: scantily clad show girl from like back in the day,

584
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: from the thirties and forties, she had the one white

585
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: stripe of hair and she was quite scandalous for the

586
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: time period, but she also gained a lot of celebrity

587
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: and she appeared in a number of movies. Her film

588
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: debut was in Nocturno More, followed by La Muerte, and

589
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: then she had a breakthrough role in an Matado Tango

590
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 3: Lele and She's been She was in a bunch of movies,

591
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: and then because of her seductive dancing, her riskue wardrobe,

592
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: she came under fire from Mexico's Legion of Decency and

593
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: they found her very indecent because of her very scandalous

594
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: dance moves and her wardrobe, and so she kind of

595
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 3: disappeared from the screen for a while in the nineteen fifties,

596
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 3: and eventually in the sixties and seventies she came back

597
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: and appeared in a few more productions, but very very

598
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: much iconic. On oscars dot Org, they actually have an interview,

599
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 3: a video interview with Tango Lele. In her later years,

600
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: she kept the white stripe in her hair, I think

601
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: until she passed, and she suffer from dementia. But she

602
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: is somebody that I find very riveting, very interesting, and

603
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: I would love to see a documentary and a future

604
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 3: film about her.

605
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: Iconic I would love to come under fire from Mexico's

606
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 1: legion of decency. I mean iconic sounds amazing. I love this.

607
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: I would love to see a documentary about her and

608
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: also a future film because I feel the same way

609
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: about the woman I think deserves the documentary and a

610
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: future film, which is Ima Sumac, who we've talked about

611
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: on this podcast before. But Ima Sumac was a Pruvian

612
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: vocal singer. She had four octave range, she had an

613
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: operatic voice. There was this like lore behind her which

614
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: was fabricated by Hollywood and also during the time of

615
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: like Musika Exotika, which was basically like globalized exotic music.

616
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: It was very like Pan American was not nondescript type

617
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: of exotic music, and so she became the queen of exotica.

618
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: She has a very very complicated relationship I think with

619
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: music more so I should I can, I should say

620
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: we can complicate her relationship and her as a figure

621
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: to like exotic music and the machine that is Hollywood

622
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: and the music industry. But her lore was that she

623
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: was a descendant of like the last inc and King

624
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: like that was the type of story that was given

625
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: to her, and the public ate it up because they

626
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: don't know. They didn't know in the fifties and sixties,

627
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: they didn't know anything about Peru and the history and

628
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: the Incan Empire, and so the public ate it up.

629
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: She had a cult following. She performed up until the

630
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: nineties and she died at the age of eighty five.

631
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: And she was a very very beautiful singer and a

632
00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: beautiful lady, a very very striking, striking woman. She's definitely

633
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: someone that I think I would love to see a

634
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: documentary about her her vocal range, and also a feature film.

635
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's all these sort of Golden era divas that

636
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 3: if you are into and that's the thing is, I

637
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: think we're into divas in general, his like throughout time

638
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: and space, and so I think that we've come to

639
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: learn about these women and we really like hold them

640
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 3: in high esteem because they were serving looks. They were

641
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: getting in trouble by the legion of decency. They like

642
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: were creating these these beautiful like how would I say this?

643
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: You know, the way that Beyonce creates an entire aura

644
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: about herself, from the music, to the vibe to the wardrobe.

645
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: They were doing.

646
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: That in their own way back in the day and

647
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: creating their own legend and embodying that from the music

648
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: to the dance sing to the looks, to the mystique

649
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: and the lore. So I just love it and I

650
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: think it's fabulous. And if you are not familiar with

651
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Speaker 3: these ladies, go look them up. You are going to

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Speaker 3: become big fans.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And I think that they.

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Speaker 3: Also their existence pushes back on this idea that like traditionally,

656
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 3: historically women in Latin America were like always conservative or

657
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: chase or in the home or they were all, you know,

658
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 3: popping out babies.

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Speaker 2: They were all no.

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00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: Like, these women were out there and they were working

661
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,479
Speaker 3: and they were making a name for themselves and doing

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00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 3: it in a very fabulous way that raised eyebrow sometimes.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I feel like diva status is earned right

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Speaker 1: and it takes time. So I can't I can't necessarily

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Speaker 1: name like a new diva quote unquote, because they feel

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Speaker 1: like all the divas that we currently have have been

667
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: in the game for a long time. But I don't

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00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: know if if some of the like newer artists have

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Speaker 1: that kind of diva persona, that mystique, that aura, that lore.

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Speaker 1: Maybe because we're all too expol on social media, including

671
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: our faves, but like these women had a lore to them.

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00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: And when reading more about Ima Sumac when I was

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00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: prepping for this episode, there was someone who was at

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Speaker 1: an event with her and talks about like she was

675
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: just on, she was just performing, she was always in character.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's also part of like diva hood,

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00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: is that you are always on. Mariah Carey is always on,

678
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: Beyonce is always on. We're never going to see these

679
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: divas not on. And I can't think of anyone in

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Speaker 1: this current era that's like up and coming or even popular, right,

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Speaker 1: But I just really can't think of an artist or

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00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: a star that can can kind of emulate that same

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Speaker 1: diva sentiment.

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00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 2: No, no, at least not now.

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00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: Maybe one will arrive or maybe in maybe maybe in

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Speaker 3: twenty years, May twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can correct my statement. It does. It takes

688
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Speaker 1: a long time.

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Speaker 2: It takes a long time.

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Speaker 3: The other uh divas who need a documentary, that's us,

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Speaker 3: we need a look I thought documentary. We've been talking

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00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 3: about it for years and it will happen one day

693
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 3: because we have so much of our own footage from

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Speaker 3: the past ten seasons that it's got to go somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a good This is a good, good,

696
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: good reminder for anyone documentary or not just for yourself,

697
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: like actually document your life, right, not for social media,

698
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: not for content, but like for yourself, for your family.

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Speaker 1: I think documenting your life and your story and your

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Speaker 1: this moment, your family, what you're doing. You know, I

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00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: remember growing up like I'm going taking it back to

702
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: the sleet of documentary, right, but like the big oldcam quarters, right,

703
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: we see that in the documentary. That's exactly how I

704
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: grew up, with the big oldcam quarters. Like my dad

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00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: holding it, at my brother holding it, somebody filming a

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00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: birthday party, someone unwrapping a gift like that was all documented.

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00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: And that kind of really rich family videotape, right that

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00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: I think in like the kids of the nineties and before,

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00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: is so so delicious And I feel like for us,

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00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: for the for look At and the podcast, we have

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Speaker 1: a lot of archival footage. It's archival now ten seasons

712
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: and it's on our phone. It's not as romantic, but

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00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: we have it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the the cam quarters.

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Speaker 3: And filming every family event also elevates your everyday life

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00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: to that of a production, and it elevates the birthday party,

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00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 3: you know, the Christmas concert, the talent show, it learning

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00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: to ride the bike. Having that big camera there and

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00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 3: putting it on tape elevates the moment to some thing

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Speaker 3: worthy of filming, to something that it needs.

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Speaker 2: To be captured.

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Speaker 3: And the world that we've been living in for so

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Speaker 3: long is where are we need a script and a

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00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: location and what's the story and what are we wearing

725
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: and hair and makeup? And we got a film And

726
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 3: that's beautiful because we do production, we produce work. But

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00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: I think that there's something beautiful about that big old

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00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 3: camera coming out to record you know, your first steps

729
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 3: or a sleepover or whatever whatever it is. It's sort

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00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: of reminding us too that like everyday life is that

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Speaker 3: important and that worthy of documenting and filming, and it's

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Speaker 3: art in its own way, art unfolding at Verite filmmaking.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Think it's a beautiful thing. And yeah, film your lives.

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00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: Your lives are art too. It's not just on a

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00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: set that makes it art, or if there's a script

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00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: or if there's an actor, that's not what makes it art.

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Speaker 1: Necessary, absolutely, and we have just so much I think

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00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: story that we want to share about what it's been

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00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: like on this journey as first time entrepreneurs, business owners, podcasters,

741
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: artists living in LA and in this time period, there's

742
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: still so much that we want to share and it

743
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: continues to unfold. There's more so I don't we won't

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00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: have our documentary in the next year, but it is

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00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: something that we are like plotting on, dreaming about and

746
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: thinking like, Okay, how could this work? And I think

747
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: even early in the early days, like we had that foresight.

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Speaker 1: I think we knew we were onto something. We didn't

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Speaker 1: know what yet, but we knew that we were onto

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Speaker 1: something because I remember, for when we did our one

751
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: of our very first look lives, there was a time

752
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: period where we were doing so much that we would

753
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: just be at my house till like midnight and just

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00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: working on things. And I remember us recording and having

755
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: my cousin take a photo of us because he was

756
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: home and we're like, can you take a photo of us?

757
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: We would just document these moments of us, like being

758
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: in the work of it, not the glamorous, not the makeup,

759
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: not the in the studio, but just like working and

760
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: like building things right, like literally building like I remember

761
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: us making like this really beautiful green greenery that we

762
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: were gonna hang, and then it was too big, we

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00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: couldn't transport it. Those are the things that we were

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00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: documenting because I think we knew in some in some

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00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: way like that there was going to be a need

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Speaker 1: for it someday.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. The the book.

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Speaker 3: The documentary, you start production by living. We've already started

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Speaker 3: production on the documentary in so many ways by living,

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Speaker 3: by doing, and by documenting it along the way. And

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00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 3: then the documentary is really just piecing it together. So

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00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 3: every time we do something, we say for the memoirs,

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00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 3: for the memoirs, for the memoirs, because we've been we've

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00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 3: been writing our memoirs actively by doing.

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00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: Anytime something really exciting or wild, someone says something wild

776
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: to us, or does something mean to us, or something happens,

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00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: we're like, for the memoir. They'll see you one day,

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00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna write this down.

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00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 2: Yes, they'll see, They'll all see.

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Speaker 1: And on that note, and on that note, thank you

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Speaker 1: Lokomotives for tuning in to another episode of Look at Radio.

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Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed us coming back from our hiatus,

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Speaker 1: and we will catch you next time US. Look at

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Speaker 1: Our Radio is executive produced and hosted by me Fiosa.

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Speaker 2: And me Mala.

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Speaker 1: Look at Our Radio is also edited by me Fiosa

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