WEBVTT - 1136 | Mock Draft 3.0, Verlander Retiring, MLB Record Tied, More Headlines 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.800 Tis League record bring. 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:23.840 We will see you to. 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:42.480 The Gunner Welcome hang out, Welcome to the Just Baseball Show. 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:46.239 It is Wednesday, July eighth. That's arm Lighton. I am 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:53.080 Peter Rapple and today an absolutely loaded show. Unfortunately, Justin 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:56.880 Berlander is retiring at the end of this season, so 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.520 we are going to you know, talk about his career, 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.280 how it has been and also he was just named 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.960 the Legend pick the American League All Star Team. 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Remember to use 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.280 code just Baseball before you make your first pick, because 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.720 if it loses, you'll get whatever you wagered on it 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:17.320 back in bonus bets. Arm We started off the day 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.480 with some unfortunate news, but when a guy of that 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.960 caliber retires, it's not really unfortunate because of course he's 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:26.760 getting to the end of his career and we get 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:32.240 to look back on the unbelievable career of Justin Verlander. 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.160 I remember, on I think it was our last mail bag, 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.200 Jack answered the question of something that he would change 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.720 from the twenty twenties decade, and it was a fully 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.520 healthy Justin Verlander. And at first I was like, ah, 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.360 but then you realize he was banged up for a 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.280 lot of this decade and could have been on pace 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:53.080 to rack up four thousand innings plus four thousand strikeouts 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.840 plus incredible career already, but what could have been I 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.560 am still thinking about that answer from Jack. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.080 It's funny though, because at the same time, like he's 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.640 been forty years old since twenty twenty three, so like 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.360 his body is doing what most people's body us. I 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.680 think the craziest part about that, though, is in twenty 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.359 twenty two, at thirty nine years old, we see Justin 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.200 Verlander come out and give you a one to seven 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.480 five ERA in one hundred and seventy five innings, And 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.000 when I think one of the more like I don't 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.680 want to say improbable signs because this is one of 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:30.560 the best to ever do it, but just one of 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.280 those side youngs that you're like, no way, he still 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.440 got that in the tank. And that was after missing 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.960 the entire season in twenty twenty one and only throwing 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.160 six innings in twenty twenty so you just never thought 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.440 this would was gonna come out. So you say, okay, 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.920 well he just missed a season and a half. It's 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.280 technically two seasons. But he was only going to rack 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.000 up so many numbers in twenty twenty because of the 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.360 shortened season. That's already a good amount of time missed. 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:55.400 He comes back and does this, You're like, WHOA, this 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.600 might be like a Nolan Ryan thing. He's just gonna 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.000 he might just throw into his forties and keep having success. 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.600 Even in twenty three he still saw like a really 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:06.600 serviceable season overall. But I think once once he got 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.360 to twenty twenty four and forty one years old, you 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.360 just tell you really started to feel it there. So 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.160 I do just wonder though, like if we had with 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:17.080 how good he was in twenty twenty two, what would 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.080 have a full twenty twenty one season have looked like, 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.840 Because and he won the cy Young the next year, 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.560 So I do think about that from like getting closer 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:26.080 to three hundred wins any of those things, But I 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:27.760 still think he probably would have been a little bit short. 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:29.360 At the end of the day. 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:33.159 He's just been human since he turned forty and and 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.200 that's been I think the part that's it's funny with 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.480 him because he's just so much of his career has 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.599 just not been human. I remember watching the old Sports 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:44.520 Center highlights and they're doing the game recaps and it 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.159 was you know, in the early I would say, before 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.040 even the twenty ten, two thousand and seven, two thousand 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.200 and two thousand and nine, and when a guy would 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:52.719 throw one hundred, it would have like the. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:54.919 On on the TV. 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:57.640 It would have like the fire almost like emoji wouldn't 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.480 be the word because emojis weren't even didn't exist, I 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.920 guess really, but like you have the fire icon there 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.120 with one hundred, and it would be like in the 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.080 recaps on Sports Center, he's still touching one hundred in 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:08.599 the seventh inning, and it was like it was like, 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:12.960 holy crap, this guy is different and back then throwing 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.160 two forty two hundred and fifty innings, like. 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.480 It really is amazing. This is a guy that, you. 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.400 Know, still throwing the ball technically you know today is 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:23.880 a guy that has been around long enough and his 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.320 pitch is such a high level too to have had those. 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:27.800 Two hundred and fifty inning seasons. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.440 Like he's kind of the last of not really a 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.920 dying breed, like a dead breed at this point. 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.240 Yeah, we call it a dying breed. I mean it 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.680 is dead. I mean this type of picture just likely 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.799 will never see again. You won an MVP one Rookie 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.720 of the Year. He's a nine time All Star, three 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.159 time Cy Young Award winner, Triple Crown winner, two time 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.560 World Series Champion. My question to you is not is 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.159 he a Hall of Famer? Do you think he's an 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:58.160 easy first ballot Hall of favor because in my opinion, 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.680 I don't know anybody who wouldn't vote for him. So 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.200 my thought is he should be unanimous. But there are 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.479 been plenty of incredible players who worn't unanimous. We only 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.479 have one and his name is Marianna Rivera, so he's 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.359 probably not going to be unanimous. So I guess my question, 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.839 and it might be the easiest softball ever thrown. Is 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.520 is he a first ballot easy Hall of Famer? 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.400 Then yeah, I think the question more becomes then like 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:23.800 how how high of a percentage is this that IM 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.120 going to bring in? And this is where it's so funny, 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:29.760 like when nine in change years from now, when I 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.880 can vote on the Hall of Fame, Like I have 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:34.800 a lot of time to figure this out. But the 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.200 unanimous thing is so weird. I mean, we've talked about this. 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.880 I'm like, if you're an obvious Hall of Famer. Everyone 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:41.920 should vote for the obvious hal of Famer, and if 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.680 that guy is that's everybody's vote, then he's unanimous. 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:46.760 And I know it's not fair to the. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.479 People before him because of this weird, uh just just 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.279 kind of decision making process that we just kind of 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.839 created here. I think there should be more unanimous guys, 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.479 because if you I don't know how we're gonna like 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.800 to plan this out, it's like, oh, you're you're gonna 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:03.640 be the guy that doesn't vote for Verlander this year, 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.120 so we'll have like two or three so he's not unanimous. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.920 Like what if like five other people think that they're 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:10.800 the guy that year and now he has like ninety 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:12.640 six percent of the vote and stead and she should 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:13.160 have more than that. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.560 So like, but you go back and there's been guys 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.640 historically they're like, how the hell is it? Like how 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:19.440 did he not have one hundred percent of the vote. 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.160 There's like thirty forty fifty guys. 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.480 You could say that about we should fix that, Uh, 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.760 but no, I think he should be frankly unanimous. Like 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:31.640 what's the nitpick here? Like that he didn't win three 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:35.000 hundred games. That's never gonna happen again. Never So I'm 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.640 not voting for him, no one, No one's gonna even 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:39.440 get close to two seventy. 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:40.640 He's a two sixty six. 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:42.920 Let's hope that he wins a few more games down 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:47.080 the stretch here if he gets a two seventy. You 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.440 mentioned the MVP and whether you think a Pitcher should 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:50.000 win it or that one. 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.600 I don't. I don't care he won it. The three 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:53.200 s youngs. 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.760 The fact that he has won his cy Young's in 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.520 totally different parts of his career too, right, Like one 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.560 is in his prime, the is like what you would 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:02.080 think is. 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:03.520 Like the very end of the prime. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.320 No way, he wins another, and then the other one 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.040 is like back from the dead, I still got it, and. 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:09.680 He wins it. There. 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:14.119 So that on top of the one, two, three, three 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.200 runner up finishes, which you could play hairs on on 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.080 so many cy Young Awards where it's like probably should 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:21.960 have won one or two of those, and then another 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.040 couple top three finishes, won the Rookie of the Year 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:26.600 as well. I mean, this is one of the more 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.760 decorated careers you're gonna see from Pitcher. He's had the peaks, 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.960 he's had the longevity, he's had the postseason performance, he's 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.319 done it all, and then he's even done the stuff 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.480 that very I few ever have to win the MVP. 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:41.800 He's done the two hundred and fifty innings, like everything 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.520 that you would reasonably want to see from this guy, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.520 he's done it. He's done another two hundred and twenty 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:50.439 six innings in the postseason. It's it's just amazing stuff. 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:52.720 So yeah, you can maybe nitpick if I so, just 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:54.439 know someone's gonna be like, he had a five six 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:58.520 three e AL in the World Series, what average is whatever? 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.880 You may nine starts in the World Series and he's 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:02.880 won a couple of them. 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.040 Just an amazing career and one of the best to 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:05.640 ever do it. 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.640 The one seven to five ERA is at thirty nine 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:14.199 years old, is it almost doesn't compute in my head 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.480 because I'm thinking about right now with Jacob Zarowski rocking 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.600 a one six to two ERA. He gave up three 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:22.960 earned runs to the Cardinals yesterday and I thought that 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.320 was a terrible start by him. He only struck out 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.400 nine over six innings, raising again his ERA to one 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:30.960 six to two. Verlander did that over one hundred and 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:34.720 seventy five innings at thirty nine years old. Incredible. What's 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:40.960 almost equally is incredible is this Tyler Tolbert hitch twelve 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:45.560 straight plate appearances with a hit. What and this comes 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.920 to us from Sarah Langs. Tyler Tolbert has a hit 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.880 in twelve consecutive plate appearance that ties the MLB record 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:57.000 consecutive hits in at bats twelve by Johnny Kling in 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.880 nineteen oh two, Pinky Higgins in ninete teen thirty eight, 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.320 Walt Dropoh in nineteen fifty two, and Jose Miranda in 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.440 twenty twenty four. I swear on them. I think Sarah 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:12.760 just made up the first three names. Johnny Kling, Walt Driplow, 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:17.040 Piggy Higgins. Those seems like names you would make up 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.840 in MLB the Show just in order to be funny. 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.200 But Tyler Tolbert did it. Now. There were some infield 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.160 hits there. His tenth in particular was to Bobashett, and 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.040 I feel like Bobachet could have made the play, but 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:28.840 that's baseball for you. There was a couple of home 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.560 runs sprinkled in, as you could see from the YouTube 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.840 compilation that podcast p put up. 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:34.000 There. 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.959 There was even one off a position. Sometimes you need 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:38.319 a little bit of luck to get a hit in 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.199 twelve straight plan appearances. And I also want to talk 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.600 about the royals recent offensive outburst, but of course it's 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.960 led by Tolbert with twelve straight hits. 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:48.559 So why the sport's amazing. 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:52.240 Also, like Jose Miranda, like battling, you know, to find opportunities. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.080 Now, Tolbert has has a six, had a six. 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.719 Fifty two ops in twenty games in Triple A this year, 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:00.800 and in thirty two games now at the big league level, 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:05.640 he's slashing three ninety six, four thirty four, five forty two. Yeah, 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:07.640 like you said, a lot of good fortune in that stretch. 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.920 But that's what makes us sport so fun is there's 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.640 so many different ways that you can reach the record books, 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.720 and anybody can technically you get into the record books there, right, 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.200 Like that's the fun part about it is you never 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.000 know who's gonna go on some crazy stretch with some 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:28.839 positive fortune, some just of being on a heater and 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.080 some other things in between, and you just never know 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:32.680 what you're gonna see at the ballfield, And I think 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:34.959 that makes it so so so much fun. I mean, 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.280 this guy's barely played Tilbert at the big league level 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:41.040 and and just to have this stretches is really remarkable. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.760 And speedy guys that put the ball in play, Like 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:47.080 sometimes you can just have these really cool uh, these cool. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.640 Heaters and yeah, I mean it helps when you're playing 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.920 the Mets, I will say, And that's definitely part of it. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:54.719 But it's just been cool to see another guy in 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.360 the record books with a bunch of names. You know, 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.800 it's a cool record when all the other names are 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.080 like the made up you know, Walt Dropo, whatever, and 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:02.439 he just. 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.480 Joins this group of guys you've never heard of in 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:05.040 your life. 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:09.480 So in his career entering July, Tolbert had twenty one 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.840 hits in twenty eight stolen bas He's had more hits 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.480 than stolen bases. What the way, speed up guy, speed 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.320 guy for you, but ends up getting some AB's here. 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.000 This is like their Jiraw Dyson. 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.320 But now they're letting him swing it a little bit 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:24.520 and it just goes on this unbelievable stretch that's incredible. 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.360 And what's also been incredible is this Royal's recent out 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.960 offensive outburst because it's not just Tolbert. The Royals have 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.440 scored thirty one runs in their past two games. Yes, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.120 do the math, that's fifteen and a half runs per game. 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:42.080 They put up ten earned on Christopher Sanchez, and yes 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.120 they beat up the Mets, but they did it again 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:49.000 Sanchez too. So this is just the hottest offensive baseball 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.559 over the last two games. But the reason we're bringing 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.120 it up is thirty one runs in two games. I 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.400 don't care who's on the mound. I really don't care. 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.560 Code I Sega hasn't been that bad. I know, he 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.960 hasn't been that great this bad, I don't think. So. 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.960 It's been really cool to see. It's why we love baseballs, 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.080 that anything can happen on any given day, and a 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:08.880 team like the Royals, who came in as one of 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.559 the worst offenses in Major League Baseball, in a two 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:15.400 game stretch where one of those he's facing, Christopher Sanchez, 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.320 who's second in Cy Young odds on BETEBGM, puts up 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.200 a ted spot. I think it's awesome. 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:21.000 It's great. 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.000 And again the fact that it's somebody that entered the 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.440 month with more stolen bases than hits in his career, 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.480 like that's the least likely candidate possible. It's a guy 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.520 that's literally there for his legs doing it with the 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:33.319 bat for a little bit. 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.440 Do you think that the Royals could actually because we 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:42.120 see the Tigers they've clawed back Royals, what do you think. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.280 I just I don't see how. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.360 I mean, it's nice to see them just like sparking 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.240 it a little bit, but they're sixteen games under. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.760 I just I think it's gonna be too hard for them. 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:56.040 I mean, they're young. 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.280 You never know, but I just think also with that 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.959 bullpen too, and the way that opens trending, I mean, 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:02.720 they could have blown a couple of those. 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.200 Games with the Mets. It's just they kept scoring. I 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:06.520 just it seems tough. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:11.400 Yeah, you've seen all those Mets stats online about them 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.720 scoring a certain amount of runs at home and never 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.520 losing with that, and you add that on to a 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:26.040 season like this. It's just been they spent three hundred 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.040 and fifty million dollars on this payroll arm and they're 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:30.600 setting records in the bad way. 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.560 The broadcast booth is awesome, though you had like you 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:38.080 had Keith Hernandez having like like an existential crisis while 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.600 they're giving up sixteen runs, talking about the end of 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:44.800 his bloodline. It was just it's it's the best booth. 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.720 And look, I think when the Mets are in these stretches, 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.640 you gotta switch over to the Mets broadcast booth, not 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.280 to do like the Eric Cartman, like you know, just 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:58.239 drink the tears thing, like just because they it turns. 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.800 Into a podcast and you never know where it's gonna go. 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.200 And like got it was off the Rails the other 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.520 day and I was it was just really fun to 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:06.000 listen to. 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.800 They are pretty close to MLB's version of TNT with 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.600 Shaq and Chuck. 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.120 And well, I may they start pushing the limits more 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:18.720 and more when the games get real ugly, but yeah, 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:19.960 it's it's really fun to listen to. 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.080 It's funny. They're probably the only booth and Major League 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.680 Baseball that sees their numbers go up when they're losing. 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.400 Yeah, yeaheah, because I'm tuning. 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:35.400 In another unbelievable performance Ryan O'Hearn yesterday of the Pittsburgh Pirates. 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:40.800 Three homers is one thing in its own right. Ten RBIs. 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.120 It is more rare to have a game with a 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:49.280 hitter having ten RBIs than it is to throw a 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:53.000 perfect game. There have been twenty four perfect games in 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:57.680 the history of baseball, only seventeen times as a player 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:02.280 recorded ten RBIs Paul skin even said afterwards is the 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.000 best performance he's seen as a member of the Pirates. 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.400 And this tweet comes to us from our Guy podcast. 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.680 P Ryan o'harton last night became the first player to 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.440 drive in each of his team's first ten runs in 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:16.840 a game in MLB history. And we just brought up 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.680 on the latest show, Jack and I we were talking 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.800 about what the Pirates are going to do after the 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.960 Connor Griffin injury. Because it's not just this. It sucks 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.880 with KG hitting the shelf. It's not just him. O'Neil 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.800 Cruz is still on the IL. Spencer Horwitz is still 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.920 on the il. How is this Pirate's offense going to 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:42.360 stay afloat? Well, here's answer number one. Loudly, Ryan o'hurt says, 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:43.440 get on my back. 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:45.200 Yeah. 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.720 The eyes well, and I mean they still have the 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.520 firepower to whether the storm a little bit here. 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:53.440 I mean, when you. 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.840 Look at what Brandon Lau has been able to do 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:57.960 for them this year, when you look at what Brian 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.720 Reynolds has been able to do for you this year. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:00.760 If Ryan O'Hearn. 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.360 I know that game brought his ops up to an 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.720 eight fifty, but if he's playing like that, it seems 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.879 like the complimentary guys are doing their job for the 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:11.480 most part. That's where now it swings back over though 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.200 Paul skeens, you got to go be that ace again, 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.560 you know, and and Brax and Ashcraft keep doing what 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.560 you're doing. I think it really is the other three. 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.520 Jared Jones deserves more grace because he's coming back from 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.080 from elbow surgery, so like he's settling back in, Like 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.119 Mitch Keller bro like, you can't be a five e 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.480 r A uh bubba Chandler. You've had ample time. Now 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.399 it's it's time to start seeing seeing it click at 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:36.640 the big league level for this team. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.600 And then look, I think that. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.320 No matter what, they got to go out and get 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.480 bullpen help and just hope the lineup gets healthy and 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.119 hope that the starting pitching does what it what it 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:50.200 should do, because every guy, like at Leverage is their era, 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.960 starts with a four. The Connor Griffin thing sucks is 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.159 you and I Before the episode that Jack, you and 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.000 Jack talked about it, we're saying Connor Griffin changes this 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:03.320 team changes the lineup, change the defense, changes everything. But 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.600 they're gonna have to figure it out without him. I 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.520 think just seeing him when he was back and seeing 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.680 what he could do for them is enough to say, Okay, 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.080 well in eight to ten weeks, we'll have him at 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.000 the very end of the season and if we're in it, 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.040 like that's the sprint through the finish line and see 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:18.359 how it goes. But I think this team has shown 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.240 enough through the adversity that they should be added to right, 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.280 Like I'm not saying that the Pirate should be mortgaging 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.760 in the future like crazy, but I think this team, 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.600 through the injuries, through the inconsistencies, through Paul Skein's worst 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.679 stretches a big leiguer have been able to weather the storm. 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.520 And then you're getting these pop performances from Ryan O'Hearn, 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:40.040 Like you're getting O'Hearn doing this. Who knows Brian Reynolds 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:41.840 could put you on his back, Branda Laule could put 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:43.760 you on his back the way Nick and Zalez has 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:44.160 been swinging. 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.880 I think there's enough going on as Maerlean Valdez. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.680 I agree Biggie in the comments, like has done enough 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:51.320 when he's been up here. 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:52.800 It's like that guy could be a spark. 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:56.080 I think this team is showing you enough life. If 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.040 you're you know, sitting and look at the front office 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.840 here and you're trying to make a decision, say hey, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.919 we we should add you know, to the bullpen, and 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:06.920 we should try to push this team a little bit further. 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.520 Jack said, because of these injuries, they might be early buyers, 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:12.359 Like they might be one of the first teams to 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.200 make a move. Right We've already seen the Cardians make 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.240 a move with Patrick Bailey. We don't expect you to 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.600 be that soon, clearly because we're now past that, but 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.120 definitely before the August third trade deadline. And I think 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.120 I agree with them, Like I think the Pirates are 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.879 gonna start to get after it because of the position 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.520 they're now in with kg O'Neil, Cruz and Horwitz on 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:30.960 the ail. 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.200 Yeah, and I think they should start using Carmen Maginsky 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:35.280 in like higher leverage. 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:36.880 It's all your other higher leverage arms. 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:40.879 Still no take Skins out of the rotation and put in. 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.680 Yeah, getting back in the Schien's a closer Magensky back 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:47.680 in the rotation that belongs. But now it's going to 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.880 be interesting. I think getting Horwitz back and Cruise back 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:52.240 is going to. 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:52.760 Help a lot. 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:54.920 And then you just you just count the days down 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.920 until you get Connor Griffin and hope that you're in 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:00.720 a decent position. But I think this team has shown 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:04.320 enough and performances like this from O'Hearn is enough to say, hey, 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.720 this team needs needs to buy despite the adversity. 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.360 Before we move on, let's hear what Paul Skeins had 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:13.840 to say about Ryan O'Hearn's historic three homer Gameways. 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:19.239 Like to see that performance from Riot, I mean, I 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.920 think it was kind of selfish, to be honest. 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:23.880 Everybody else was getting on and. 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:27.280 You know, home runs are rally killers. 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:29.920 H you had a three run home run or a 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.119 Grand Slam, and it's just like what now, you know 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.440 there's nobody on, nobody, nobody can drive him in, So. 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.240 You know, good for him, I guess. 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:45.240 But uh, no, selfish, totally selfish for Rhino, hard to 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:47.679 clear the basis for everybody else. No, we went on 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:49.880 to say again in that interview, was the greatest performance 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.680 he's ever seen. He's obviously being sarcastic and another reason 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.919 why why I wanted to bring that clip up, not 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.280 only because I find it hilarious and I love schemes 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.840 the sense of humor, but there were real people online 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:04.640 trash scenes and being like, how could you say that? 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:06.280 I hope, Yeah, we. 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:10.280 Rub more than one brain cell together. Please please please, 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.000 I mean that all missed comments section I've seen in 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:17.840 a long time. And when we're talking about the internet here, yeah. 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:18.200 I know, it's even low for the Internet. 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.280 The fun thing with with Skeens is like seeing his 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:23.840 because people always talk about, oh, like there's not much 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:27.040 personality there, is he going to not be that marketable star. 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:31.600 Seeing his is like comedic side just kind of blossom 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:33.320 as he's gotten more comfortable in the big leagues and 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:35.080 more comfortable with the media. Has been really cool because 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:37.240 we always talked about it just feels like MLB gets 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.679 a star and they're just not marketable at all. I 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:42.920 think people sleep on the personality that Skeens brings to 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:44.920 the table, and like seeing some of the commercials and 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:47.200 stuff that he's doing. It's very deadpan humor, but it's 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:51.159 it is great and again I think he's he's a 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:54.200 really good leader and kind of potential face for the 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:55.680 league to be able to have fun like that. 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:58.040 I totally agree with you. So we still got to 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.960 talk about Zach Wheeler and how credible he is in 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.679 his performance yesterday, as well as our first look at 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:07.679 Luis Lara and then Mock Draft three point zero with 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:10.960 Tyler Jennings. 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Wheeler was masterful. 0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:24.160 You're seeing these hot this highlight montage and another reason 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:26.000 why I love Wheeler so much. It's not just the 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:29.040 postseason pedigree. It's not the electric stuff. It's the command 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:31.440 of the strike zone. Because when you watch J two 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:34.840 rul Muto's glove, when he sets up, he doesn't move 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:39.640 an inch. Zach Wheeler throws electric stuff wherever he wants, 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:42.560 whenever he wants, with any pitch that he wants to 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:47.520 go to. And he was pissed. He was pissed after Yeah, 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:48.879 at least it was about the All Stars. 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:51.840 I think heissed before he pitched, pissed before. 0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:54.639 We hear from Zach Wheeler because I want to. I 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:58.320 want to hear from his mouth what he thinks about 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:01.080 getting stumbed from the All Star Game, or what do 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:02.280 you think about this performance? 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:07.520 I think you saw how angry and kind of like 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:10.240 how much he wanted to prove in this outing that 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:12.679 he's an All Star and that he should be in 0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:13.200 that game. 0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:15.720 And I think that was the big part is and I. 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.119 Think this is this was like a microcosm of why 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:21.600 Zach Wheeler is so good in the playoffs. Adrenaline does 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:26.439 not affect his command where he has the adrenaline just 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:29.600 injected into him from the postseason or in this case, 0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:30.840 being angry and. 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:33.600 Prepared to prove to everybody that he deserved to be. 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:36.679 An All Star, like he stepped on that mound, he 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:38.760 told the rubber, more angry than usual, more fired up 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.159 than usual, and he can just harness that and use 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.120 it for good, where some guys will start to get 0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:45.119 a radic and starts to spray a little bit and 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:47.720 lose the command. And I think it's the same reason 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:50.760 why he is so good in the playoffs is that 0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:53.320 guy uses adrenaline is still able to lock that in 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:57.520 and focus and just execute and across his whole arsenal. 0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:00.320 He was executing everything from the four seamer, this weeper, 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:03.320 the splitter, the sinker, even sprinkling in the cutter and curveball. 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:05.719 The feel that he has to pitch when he's angry 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:07.840 or fired up is just incredible. 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:13.040 He is one of six pitchers with an ERA below 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:16.840 two four in over at least eighty innings, and he 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.159 said two two eight and only Jacob Izarowski is a 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:24.320 lower win Remember when he had a thoracic outlet syndrome 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:26.240 and we weren't sure what he was going to look 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:29.120 like when he came back, and now he's looking arguably 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:32.320 better than ever. I really do think because I remember 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:34.879 when we did our National League East predictions at the 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.800 beginning of the season, and I picked the Phillies to 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.480 win the division, and it was a belief that Zach 0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:44.320 Wheeler was going to return to relative for even I 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:47.520 didn't think so, and I think the debate was and 0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:49.399 I think you and Jack both agree with this. If 0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:53.800 Wheeler did return to peak Wheeler, yes, I could see 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:58.440 the Phillies winning. It's just improbable because he is such 0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:02.760 an X factor for this Phillies. Right, you go, Sanchez Wheeler, Lizardo, 0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:08.520 dear God, you go Sanchez Lozardo Nola not as sexy, 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.560 a lot worse, And that could be the difference between 0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:14.800 the Phillies winning the division and not. And not only 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:17.119 were we seeing Zach Wheeler return to eighty percent, like 0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:19.920 I kind of thought he would. We're seeing him return 0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:23.720 to peak Wheeler. I mean, we're just talking about Verlander 0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:27.399 putting up that one one seven five era when he 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:31.040 was thirty nine years old. Wheeler is in quite thirty nine. 0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:35.640 But it just speaks to the greatness of Zach Wheeler 0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:38.280 that he just continues to do it at the highest level. 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.159 And I totally understand why he's upset that he's not 0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:43.639 an All Star. I think the innings are probably getting 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.920 in the way. Right he did start the year hurt, 0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:51.040 and the National League starting pitching staff is freaking loaded. 0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:53.160 I mean, we didn't even mention a guy like Kyle 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:56.399 Harrison yesterday who's having an unbelievable season. And then I 0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:58.280 responded in our discord and I said, well, who are 0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:00.760 you taking off? Because one thing to be a snub 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:02.920 and that's what annoys me. And I said this yesterday 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:06.160 about All Star snub discourse. I see people just listing 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:08.560 names that are awesome and saying they should be Ulstars. Well, 0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:11.680 then do the extra step and take somebody off. Yeah, 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.800 so even still are them. I'm looking at the All 0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.280 Star pitchers in the National League and I say, okay, 0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:21.640 we could take off Skeens for them. That's where we're at, 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:26.000 right because outside of Logan Web who I already took 0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:28.560 off yesterday for Brax and Ashcraft, who's been a top 0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:32.320 ten pitcher in baseball period by f war, then next 0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:36.800 you'd take off Skeens. So I guess take off Skeens 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:38.120 for Wheeler if you feel like that. 0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:40.359 And that's the hard part because I don't know that 0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:45.040 Wheelwer's numbers were still better. But if you take Skeens's 0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:47.600 numbers through eighty eight, Inx pitched, which is right where 0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:50.800 Wheeler's at, Skeen's had a two eight sixty, alright, So 0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:52.719 it starts to close the gap a lot more. And 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.679 that's the tough part, is like I think Wheeler deserves 0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:59.200 to be in there, but it is when we're working 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:04.639 with a half of a season, twenty innings matters a lot, 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:08.679 and that's the difficult part. And in some instances, like 0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:11.639 it's it's more than twenty innings, it's like thirty saniel 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:13.360 contrasts to one hundred and twenty three innings this year, 0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:17.560 so like it's it's forty innings almost between between them two. 0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:21.080 But you know you've got thirty pitchers I think, or 0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:23.320 more than that excuse, we have thirty seven pitchers, not 0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:26.359 all of them All Stars obviously, but thirty seven pitchers 0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:28.520 that have thrown one hundred innings this year already. 0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:30.320 So that's the push and pull with it. 0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:32.399 But I think Wheeler has been so dominant, and I think 0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:33.720 the only reason that wheel are and one of the 0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:35.720 main reasons why Wheelers being so vocal about this is 0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.440 that it's in Philly, right and and he deserves to 0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:40.600 be recognized there. He's only going to maybe pitch what 0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:43.440 one more year after this. He's overcome so much he 0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:45.520 deserves to be there. And I think the most frustrating 0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:48.520 part for him is that, you know, usually the way 0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:51.240 that they'll rectify the free agent like Injustice or excuse me, 0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:55.320 the All Star Injustice, is that guys go down and 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:58.520 then you put in, you know, you late addition, the 0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:01.520 guy that you know should have been in there. But 0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:04.320 because it won't line up with Wheeler being available to pitch, 0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:06.880 the league doesn't view him as a guy that is 0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:10.640 eligible to be added into the All Star Game, even 0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:13.280 just his recognition, and that seems to be where his 0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:14.240 frustration lies. 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:16.640 Right like Hazu's Zarto. I think that's a great point. 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:20.200 Lizardo was just added, and who's had a better season? 0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:25.120 Hasus Zardo or Zach Wheeler? I mean, but Lizardo lines 0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:27.320 up and he's had a good year in his own right. 0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:32.280 So it is it really does suck because while I 0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:34.360 think I can make an argument that based on just 0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.160 these season numbers, maybe he would be slightly on the 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.760 outside looking in, I could also understand his frustration with 0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:43.240 that point about it being in Philly, where he's at 0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:47.800 in his career and how damn good he's been. And 0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:51.720 again this start capitalized it and we heard from Zach 0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:55.000 Wheeler after the game podcast p Let's hear what Wheeler 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:57.200 has to say about getting Snubb from the All Star Game. 0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:01.840 Now, I feel like that's kind of a reminder, you know, 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:07.320 for whoever needs to be reminded. So you know, it's it, 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:10.960 uh pisses me off, and you know it's it's kind 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:16.200 of bs. So you know, if maybe if I wasn't 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:18.400 necessarily right in there, I wouldn't be saying this. But 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:21.320 I feel like I've earned it. And just because I 0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.360 pitch on a certain day doesn't I mean that I 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:28.400 get you know, I don't even know the right word. 0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:31.200 But just because I pitch on a certain day, you know, 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:33.640 I can't pitch an All Star Game or even be there. 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:38.120 Nothing he said there I disagree with well, and he 0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:39.800 was saying to it kind of lines up with this bullpen. 0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:41.840 So there's like a league rule that if you throw 0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.080 within a certain amount of days, like you throw in 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.520 a game within a certain amount of days of the 0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:49.520 All Star Game, that even if you said I'm good 0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:50.840 to go, they won't let you throw. 0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:52.720 And he's like, it lines up with my bullpen. 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:56.200 I can throw in any I'm fine throwing an inning 0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:58.840 and just just going and having fun out there, and 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.320 the league won't even allow that. So that's where it's 0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:05.680 really interesting. There's definitely more, maybe there's more nuance to 0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:09.200 it that I'm not aware of, but I think Wheelers 0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:11.920 probably well informed on the topic and talk to his 0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:14.280 agent whatever. And it's Quily still frustrated for good reason. 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.120 And of pictures with at least eighty innings thrown this year, 0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.240 he's six in the r right. He trails only Chris 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:23.560 saile At, Hardo Rodriguez, Cam Switzler, Shohatani and Jacob Mesrowski. 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.480 So I get it, you know, and and I think 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:28.959 it's it's it's a tough situation for him get out. 0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:31.280 I think if it wasn't in Philly, I think you'd 0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:33.320 have some frustration, but I think not to this degree. 0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.120 And and he has every right to feel that way. 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:39.400 And what I don't get is, like when when we 0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:41.480 had a snub or when someone had to be replaced, 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:45.360 why not we have this Legends nomination right that we 0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:47.800 always do, which I get it, like I don't hate it, 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:50.920 But if you can do like the Legends nomination for 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:54.880 Justin Verlander, why can't you when somebody gets hurt just say. 0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:58.680 Hey, Wheelers would have been the replacement. But since he 0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:01.640 can't throw that day, he is not going to know. 0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.200 He'll be like an honorary replacement. And then we're gonna 0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:06.640 go to Lizardo, and Lizardo is going to actually take 0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:08.800 the role. So yes, you have two more All Stars 0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:12.080 being named. Who cares you're throwing All Stars to honorary legends? 0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:16.040 Like if it's someone that specifically fits the criteria, and 0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:17.720 maybe it's a slippery slope because then you're like you 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:18.880 could start doing that with a bunch of people. 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:20.760 But it's really only a pitcher issue anyways. 0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:23.400 So I think if there was a clearcut guy that 0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:25.840 was the obvious replacement, you should give him like the 0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:30.040 honorary All Star like non and then have another replacement 0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:32.320 behind him, Because I just don't see why we care 0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:34.280 about you know, how many All Stars we have when 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.600 we're doing this, you know, Legends aspect as well. 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:41.680 I wonder if them naming Bryce Harper another Philly as 0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:44.760 the Legends pick through wrench in there where it's like, 0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:46.160 we already gave it to Harper, Are we going to 0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:49.240 give another one of these picks to a different Philly? 0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:52.480 And I get that in theory, But at the same time, 0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:55.360 Bryce Harper deserves to be an All Star this year 0:32:55.880 --> 0:33:00.600 Justin Verlander was a Legends pick, clearly doesn't. Harper's got 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.960 a nine hundred ops. He's been awesome. I think he's 0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:06.240 been better than Matt Olson this year. Yeah, right, or 0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.840 at least on par So, I don't think they have 0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:12.600 to look at it as, oh, we gave Harper the nod. 0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:14.840 You gave Harper the nod because he deserved it. You 0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:17.520 could still give the Legends pick to Zack Wheeler, who 0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:21.800 also deserves it. Yeah, right, because I think, you know, 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:23.920 I talk about All Star discourse and I what annoys 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:25.680 me when you don't pull off his number whatever. But 0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:28.160 I can also understand when a guy just simply deserves it, 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:32.360 and Zach Wheeler simply deserves it. And I do think 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:34.720 that he has an argument over Paul Skeens, who will 0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:36.920 be at the ULCER game, and we can't understand the 0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:39.120 innings thing. And I still would give it to Skeens, 0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:43.200 But can I hear the argument? Yes, which means they 0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:44.440 got to find a way to get him in. 0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:46.000 Well, what I would saying they pick and choose when 0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:47.520 I kind of rewrite the rules, and like, this is 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:49.160 a great time to rewrite the rules. 0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:50.280 Get Wheeler in there. 0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:52.440 Yeah, don't pretend like you're following your own rules. You 0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:54.200 make a new one every year, So now we got 0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:55.640 to follow the game. I'm pretty sure. 0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:58.640 Maybe I wasn't well informed when they first did the 0:33:58.680 --> 0:33:59.280 Legends thing. 0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:02.400 I was like, that's a thing I didn't I didn't 0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:04.000 even know that was a thing. They said, oh, legends 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:06.160 pick like here, Miguel. 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:08.520 Cabrera or whoever it was. I was like, okay, they 0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:10.960 started with Jeter. Like there's just times where I was like, 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.320 I don't know. I just I didn't whatever the first 0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:16.280 time was, I had no idea it existed. 0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:19.279 I swear they put in new rules for the All 0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:21.719 Star Game or the Home Run Derby or just Major 0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:24.359 League Baseball in general, in our terms and conditions when 0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:26.960 we sign up for MLBtv, like and then they just 0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:28.600 pull him up and it's like, you actually want to 0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:30.560 agree to this. You agree to this, you support it, 0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:33.279 you support it? All right. So we got one more 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:36.040 topic before we get to mock Draft three point zero, 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:41.600 and we're saving the fastest for last. Luis Laura I 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:46.120 posted on a X and our guy Buster only retweeted me. 0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:49.719 Peter Vision had the Luis Laura rounding the bases on 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:52.920 a Bryce terrangue either single or double to center as 0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:56.000 the fastest sprint speed of the season. Actually asked podcast 0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:57.920 Pete right after he hit it, and I said, can 0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:00.200 we track the sprint speed? And he's like, it's not 0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.600 available yet, and I was like, well, my eyes said 0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.480 he was the fastest. Obviously, I have no real idea, 0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:07.800 but I do trust Peter Vision, which. 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:10.280 Is funny because I think he's like by like feet 0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:12.759 per second. It's just like just above average. 0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:15.200 He evolved so well. 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:17.320 The way his arms and legs were moving, it looked 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:20.800 robotic in a good way though, like a mooth robot 0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:21.960 built for speed. 0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:25.319 I love this guy well. 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:26.799 I mean, we had him on the Top one hundred 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:28.399 list in like twenty twenty three when he was eighteen 0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:30.840 years old, and you know, I'd rarely do that with 0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:34.080 guys that have you not had a ton of a 0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:36.560 body of work there, But this is a player. Since 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:38.960 the first time I saw him, the instincts in the 0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:42.760 feel for the game is is just ridiculous. And before 0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:45.839 his debut ranked forty second on our Top one hundred list. 0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:47.360 There was a span in twenty twenty. 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:48.360 Four where he fell off of it, but it was 0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:52.319 hard to properly assess him because he was pushed so aggressively. 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:53.759 And I think the Brewers they do that with the 0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.000 guys that they love, and it's not comparing him to 0:35:56.640 --> 0:36:00.840 Chorio or Midday, but if they see that this is 0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:02.520 going to be a good Major League baseball player, they 0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:03.480 will push you quickly. 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:05.200 And that's exactly what they did with Laura. 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:05.400 Right. 0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:07.120 He gets a high A when he was eighteen years 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:08.760 old still and. 0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:11.160 By the time he was in is I think still 0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:14.279 nineteen years old, he was getting a taste of Double A. 0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.120 So it's like, how do you properly assess a player 0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:17.400 like that? 0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:19.880 And at twenty one years old, here he is starting 0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.240 the season at Triple A, and here he is having 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:26.080 a power breakout where after never having hit more than 0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:28.120 four homers in a season, you go to Nashville. 0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:29.520 Nashal is one of the hardest places to hit. 0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:31.239 I've talked about this on the call up and maybe 0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:33.520 a little bit on here, and he's doubled already, more 0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:35.719 than doubled his career high in homers. He's nine through 0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:39.160 seventy eight games. This is a really good contact and 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:44.200 like speed in elite glove type of guy. So if 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:46.480 he's able to hit you ten to fifteen homers, holy crap. 0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:49.200 And I think just seeing that power uptick from him, 0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:52.160 even if it's eight to ten, just the fact that 0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:54.279 he's gonna be able to split the gap so much 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:55.840 because he's walking more than he strikes out he's a 0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.239 switch hitter, was enough for the Brewers to be like, 0:36:58.680 --> 0:36:59.520 let's extend this guy. 0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:01.440 And that's what they did before he even debuted. 0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:05.799 And what I'm really excited about is you look at 0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:09.680 what he brings to the Brewers roster here, because even 0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:13.759 if he's not mashing right away, he's solid from both 0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:16.560 sides of the plate. Like I said, he's added the thumb. 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:19.439 He's a plus centerfielder. People that I've talked to around 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:21.920 the Brewers organizations say gold Glover. They think he can 0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:25.399 win multiple gold Gloves. You have Garrett Mitchell of course 0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:28.000 in centerfield, but also a guy that you you want 0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:29.719 to make sure you can keep healthy and maybe again 0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:31.760 that you don't want to see left He see lefties 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:32.160 as much. 0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:35.320 So maybe Laura can can can take some of those matchups. 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:36.920 South Freelick has really struggled. 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:39.600 He could, He could give you plenty of value in 0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:41.960 the corner out there's another lefty bat. 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:43.759 That was gonna be my next question. Do you think 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:47.600 they just start to phase south Freelick out of the 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:50.480 lineup here, because I mean his six P twenty six 0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:54.480 ops is certainly not doing it for him. And it's 0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:57.000 not like he's this all world defender either good defender, 0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:01.880 but if Luis Lara can provide better defense Freelick with 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.560 a better bat, what are we talking about here? 0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:07.359 Yeah, And that's the thing is like I think the 0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:10.120 floor honestly for Laura with his swing decisions being where 0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:12.600 they're at, with the field to hit and everything. 0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:14.040 As a switch hitter, it's. 0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:16.920 Gonna be something like sal So you'd pair that with 0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:20.880 better defense and you're getting more value. So short answers, Yeah, 0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:22.400 And I don't know what their long term plan is 0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:25.080 with Sally's still twenty six. Like he's given us a 0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:27.520 lot of really good stretches where you can see this 0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:29.040 guy s it is a good major League baseball player. 0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:31.200 But this is a Brewers team that can win the 0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:34.759 World Series. So I think this gives them flexibility. You 0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:36.960 talk about late game adjustments too. If you bring in 0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:40.640 the righty for Garrett Mitchell Freelick's not a good center fielder, 0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:43.680 now you have somebody in Laura, like if you pinch it, 0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:45.759 you love this spot. Vaughn was on the bench and 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.760 you pinch it. You know, you pinch it for Mitchell 0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:51.120 and you just love to deploy Von in that spot 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:53.960 or Sanchez or whatever. Now you have somebody else that 0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:55.399 can go slide over in a center field and play 0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:57.520 it at a high level. And I think that is 0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:00.600 huge for them too. So the flexibility that this gives 0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:02.840 Pat Murphy for the way that they can play platoons, 0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:05.880 and what Laura brings to the table I think is huge, 0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:08.200 and I think this allows the brus to hedge their weaknesses, 0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:11.360 leverage their strengths, and deploy their righty you know, pinchhit 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:13.840 bats like Sanchez has been swinging it great, Vonn has 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:15.759 been swinging it great, and just continue to be able 0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:18.520 to deploy them in different spots in that lineup, you know, 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:20.200 when the lefty reliever comes in if it's a game 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:21.040 that they're not starting. 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.680 Good problem to have if you're Milwaukee and podcast people. 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:30.160 Without further ado, let's talk to Tyler. The MLB Draft 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:35.840 is on Saturday, July eleventh. It is Wednesday, July eighth, 0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:40.200 which means the most updated mock draft is live on 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:44.040 just baseball dot com. Mock Draft three point zero written 0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:48.000 by Tyler Jennings and other you know, our great team 0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:50.960 over at just baseball dot com covering the draft. Tyler, 0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:53.399 thanks so much for joining us. You know, I love 0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:56.840 this part. We're getting real close to the White Sox 0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.880 picking number one overall and then the rest of the draft. 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:02.160 I guess I want to start with what is the 0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:05.839 biggest difference between Mock Draft two point zero, which came 0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:10.720 out in the beginning of June to now on July eighth. 0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:13.280 I would say the biggest thing is kind of hammering 0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:17.480 out like more specific connections than what we had on 0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:21.279 Mock two point zero, specifically like looking at what the 0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:23.520 Orioles might do with like j Booth if he's there 0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:27.160 at number seven, and kind of figuring out like some 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:31.759 of these top ten teams specifically in moving from there, 0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:33.480 and then some of these other teams were just like, 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:36.000 maybe there's a better fit for like, you know, the 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:38.120 Brewers at twenty five. We had Cole pro Sec there 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.640 this this mock and he kind of just fits what 0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:42.920 they look for perfectly. 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:44.440 And plus they've. 0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:45.799 Also picked out of the school he comes from comes 0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:49.200 from Magnolia Heights. Cooper Pratt came from there, So it's 0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:51.319 kind of trying to put some connections together and go 0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:51.799 from there. 0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:54.759 The other thing that I always think seems to happen 0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:58.400 as the draft gets closer it's inevitable because of the 0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:01.360 signing bonus and the go siating aspect of it, is 0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:04.440 the slam dunk first overall pick never turns out to 0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:06.160 be the slam dunk the closer the draft gets, and 0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.720 there's other variables, and that started to happen a little 0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:10.759 while ago, but I just feel like a closer we've 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:14.280 gotten now, all of a sudden, Rock Schulawski now feels 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:16.680 like the less likely pick, which is silly, but it 0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:18.560 just seems like when you look at all the conversation, 0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:21.200 all of a sudden, now it's like you're hearing more 0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:23.520 about Grady Emerson a couple of different outlet's put Grady 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:26.359 Emerson is the number one player in the class. You hear, 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:28.840 of course, like the murmurs of von Lackey and the 0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:32.239 fact that he could potentially go number one. It's got 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.520 to be one of the more exhausting parts of this cycle, 0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:38.120 is or just every time of this year when we 0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.480 go through the cycle, is just the smoke and mirrors 0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:43.480 that usually comes with the number one pick when you 0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:46.200 don't have the slam dunk of all slam dunks. How 0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:48.120 much do you feel like all of this is smoking 0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:50.120 mirrors as the draft gets closer, and how much do 0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:53.719 you think this is actually a pretty wild and down 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:56.960 to the wire decision for you know, this White Sox 0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:59.120 team to ultimately make because look, the Nationals did it 0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:01.200 last year, Eli will no one was expecting that. 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:04.920 Yeah, they'll say they made that decision like right after 0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:08.799 the clock was started too for the draft. So from 0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:10.920 what I've been told, the White Sox probably will not 0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:14.120 know who they're picking until like twelve thirty ish on 0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:17.759 on Saturday, which I would say that's like a half 0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:19.480 hour hour before the draft. I think it starts at 0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:21.960 one thirties, so I wouldn't be shocked if it goes 0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:25.160 past that. And you know, the biggest thing is is 0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:27.200 trying to pick out what is smoking mirrors, you know, 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:29.759 Like you had mentioned, it's the exhausting part of this 0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:32.279 is trying to figure out like which rumor makes the 0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:35.640 most sense and which one's logical. Like we've mentioned this 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:38.480 on the draft previous show between me and Connor Monday Night. 0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:42.480 But like von Lackey signing, you know, or at least 0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:46.120 agreeing to an eight point five million dollar bonus, you know, 0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:49.880 before the combine or even a little bit after, I 0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:52.560 don't feel like that's a thing anymore. I feel like 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:54.640 now it's kind of down to either Rock or Grady 0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:58.520 at this point, and depending on who you prefer, I 0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:00.680 think you're gonna get different answers, but it really just 0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:05.120 comes down to who in the room prefers who, Like, 0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.760 do you prefer the guy with a potentially seventy glove 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:10.680 of a high floor and has a track record in 0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:14.520 I understand it's a big ten, but like in college baseball, 0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:17.360 like that track record is really good, Or do you 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:19.520 prefer the guy with the upside from the left side 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:22.640 of the plate? Who you know they could you surp 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:26.880 Rock in the future. But I made the comparison the 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:30.080 other day where I think Rock has a greade better glove, 0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:33.200 and I would say the Raw powers at least a 0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:36.440 grade better as well. So like it's an interesting dynamic 0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:39.560 to kind of think about, and I understand, Like you know, 0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:43.719 I think there's only been two college short stuffs taking 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.000 number one overall in the past like fifty years. 0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:48.320 Or something like that. The last one was Dansby. 0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:52.080 Rock just feels like the kind of guy to really 0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:55.360 break that streak a little bit. And I think at 0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:56.920 the same time, some of the rumors have been coming 0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:58.879 out now just been leverage play for the White Sox 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:01.719 to get Rock to take less. So it really is 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:06.040 just going to be a wild sort of scenario that's 0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:07.439 going to come right down to the wire. I feel 0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:09.560 like on Saturday, the MLB. 0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:12.640 Draft is a little bit different than other sports drafts 0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:17.799 because of slot value. Right, teams might go underslot in 0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:21.920 order to save money to draft another guy down the 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:26.160 line where potentially they could splurge. I'm curious if the 0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:31.719 impending lockout in twenty twenty seven is affecting those decisions, 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:34.040 maybe even more than usual, because we've seen a lot 0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:36.359 of teams do it in the past. Right teams have 0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:39.200 even gone way under slot at the number one overall pick. 0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:39.560 Right. 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:42.279 I remember the Pirates with Henry Davis, and there have 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:44.920 been numerous other examples of that. Do you think that 0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:48.960 this draft in particular is going to be more affected 0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:51.800 by the lockout or do you think it's just business 0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.279 as usual because we don't really know what's going to 0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:57.200 happen with the lockout anyway, Yeah, I. 0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.520 Feel like it's going to be more business as usual. 0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:02.759 Because the more I thought about it, I kind of 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:05.840 wonder like, obviously, when you look at it, player development 0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.920 next year is going to be, you know, depending on 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:11.360 what happens, is going to be a either non existent 0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:13.480 or it will be like the COVID year where we 0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:17.440 kind of miss out on something. So it's it's interesting 0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:20.760 just talking around with some people as well. They don't 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:22.560 feel like it's gonna affect much. I know some of 0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:26.160 the players have had their thoughts about, like, you know, 0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:30.120 looking in the future, where how do how does high 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:32.840 school you know, the demographic kind of fit into the 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:35.360 draft in the future, and how much does affect you know, 0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:39.160 guys behind them. I think that's gonna be a conversation 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:41.120 half later on, but as of right now, I just 0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:43.520 I'm not sure how much that's going to affect the 0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:46.680 draft this year. But I know there'll be teams in 0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:48.319 the top five, top ten that are going to be 0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:51.279 trying to underslot it their their first pick and then 0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:53.360 if they have a compick or you know, some of 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:55.400 those PPI picks at the end of the first round, 0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:58.759 I can definitely see somebody trying to get fancy and 0:45:58.800 --> 0:45:59.799 try and buy someone down. 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:02.960 That's where I think it gets interesting in this draft too, 0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:05.200 And I'm excited to talk, you know, further with it 0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:08.160 about like about it all with you because like for 0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:10.600 me and I think there's a lot of really talented 0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:12.920 players and we're gonna get into some of them specifics, 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:15.600 because like Kay Townsend in this latest mock, going all 0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:18.000 the way up to nine is pretty exciting, but that 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:20.400 that would presumably be like an UNDERSWAT deal right with 0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:24.160 the Braves right handed from Mississippi. But my thing is, 0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:27.040 at least for the way that I look at it, 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:29.200 it feels like and maybe you could draw the line 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:32.120 maybe one or two players before or after based on 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:35.080 who you like, But this draft in particular, it just 0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:37.040 seems like there's a bit of a drop off after 0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:41.120 the sixth or seventh pick, depending on how you look at. 0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:43.399 It, And at least for me, it feels that way. 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:45.839 If that's the case, then a lot of teams may 0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:48.120 want to try to make an UNDERSWAT deal happen from there, 0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:50.360 because it's like, hey, there's not that much of a 0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:54.280 difference between the fifteenth guy on our board and the 0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:56.719 ninth guy on our board, per se, do you see 0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:58.279 it that way? Like do you see it as like 0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:00.880 top heavy and there's a there's a bit middle class 0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:02.640 as it pertains to the first round, And do you 0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:05.520 think that that affects team's ability to pull off an 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:09.400 UNDERSWAT deal, Because like the most common UNDERSWAT team is 0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:12.040 the athletics at eight, and I don't know if they're 0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:13.920 like you can always pull off a deal for a 0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:16.440 guy that people really weren't expecting to be in that range, 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:18.240 but it feels like it's a little bit more difficult 0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:20.080 to have the leverage as a team if there's not 0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:23.319 kind of that slam dunk top ten or twelve type 0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:24.520 of players that you're expecting. 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:29.439 Yeah, I think, as like a whole, like we've done 0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:32.560 a maybe the service to this class of like trying 0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:33.799 to hype it up to be a lot more than 0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:36.400 what it actually is, and that's not a shot to 0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:38.040 any of the players in this class. But I think 0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:42.000 you're correct in terms of there's a there's top heaviness here, 0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:45.399 and there's a clear you know, Tier A or first tier, 0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:47.759 and then it kind of just drops off a little 0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:50.799 bit after that. And you know, talking to scouts, they 0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:53.799 don't believe there's a you know, depending on who you asked, 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:56.120 there's not always going to be a full first round 0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:58.880 of write ups for them, So like there'll be like 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:01.000 twenty guys they put first round grades on, and then 0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:03.479 after that it's just like guys who you know will 0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:05.479 go in the first round. But we think they're second 0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:08.560 rounders and so on and so forth. So I think 0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:10.279 that's how this draft has kind of turned out to be, 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.520 and I think that's gonna definitely play a role on 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:16.640 how teams operate on this So, like you can see, 0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:19.959 I'm gonna throw out example, like the Royals at six, 0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:22.640 they had their secondary pick at thirty. You know, we 0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:26.799 had Drew Burris and trying to remember who else we had, 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:30.560 we had Zion Rows at thirty, which looking back on 0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:35.040 it probably not be the way to operate necessarily. I 0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:36.840 know they'll probably stick with a bat at six and 0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:39.040 then try and and buy someone down at thirty. But 0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:41.520 Zion Rose, i know, does have connections to the Royals 0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:44.319 at that pick, depending on if he gets there. No 0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:46.560 idea if it will happen, but he has a lot 0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:48.120 of suitors in the back end of the first round 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:51.399 right now. But if they they happen to get like EJ. 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:54.560 Boof at six or even Jacob Lombard at six, you 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:57.960 know what happens? Then do they pay overslot six and 0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:01.400 then try and buy you know, somebody at thirty to 0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:03.440 try and get an underslot dealble to help kind of 0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:07.040 maximize their bonus pool. There, so it's really interesting to 0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:09.080 see what happens there. I think the Giants are another 0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:11.600 team that like kind of fit that mold, where like 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:14.319 they pick a floor, they pick it twenty nine. Do 0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:17.200 they want a top three in this class? I absolutely 0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:20.479 think they do. Doesn't happen genuinely, no idea, so a lot. 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:24.080 I would say, after the Giants, it gets a little 0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:26.880 you know, kerfuffled a little bit. It's probably a good 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:27.680 way to describe it. 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:30.880 There's there's a clear tier one A, right, which is 0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:33.680 of course going to be the Chilawski's, the Emerson's and 0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:37.120 the Lackies of the world. And correct me if I'm wrong. 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:40.399 I feel like that's kind of the one A from 0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:44.320 from there one B. How far down are you willing 0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:46.640 to go? Like, because I feel like with the one 0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:48.000 B still kind of putting them as. 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:50.160 Part of that that tier one. Of course you're. 0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:53.000 Gonna have Flora in there. I'm curious where you're at 0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:55.239 at Lombard. It seems like he's a little bit more polarizing, 0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:58.319 but of course they're gonna have Flora Buris. And then 0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:00.360 that's where it gets interesting into like an EJ how 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:04.239 far do you extend this beyond like to encapsulate Tier one. 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:06.839 How many players do you think would fit that, like 0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:10.160 definitive tier one, even if it's a bee, because Tier 0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:11.919 one A is obviously going to be that queer cut 0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:12.960 top three guys. 0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:16.080 Yeah, I would say this, the question marks start coming 0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:20.080 in after you know the seventh player on our board. 0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:22.760 So like going through it, you mentioned one A Rock, Lackey, 0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:25.840 and Emerson, one Bee, Flora, Buris Booth. 0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:26.240 And Lombard. 0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:28.000 I feel like it's probably the best way to describe 0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:30.479 it because you start kind of getting into some question 0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:32.680 marks at eight. So like we have chrisy Copian at eight, 0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:37.520 you know, fantastic bat the ball skills, but injured all year, 0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:40.799 had a back issue. Supposedly according to when a Tech 0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:43.120 SAgs guy, you played through a broken leg this year, 0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:47.560 which is interesting to say the least. So there's some 0:50:47.640 --> 0:50:53.480 question marks about healthcare. Celia Straschneider obviously insane athleticism, insane power, 0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:56.080 but the hit tool really just leaves a lot more 0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:59.359 to be desired. Tyler Bell has a shorter injury right 0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:01.399 health for it, I would say, is probably the next 0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:03.880 guy to put into like the one B tier if 0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:06.759 we want to expand it to five just as a 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:10.120 cashier with really good defense and power, but obviously the 0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:13.440 hit tool kind of a little if he depending on 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:15.440 who you ask, but he's a catcher, he's not expected 0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:18.800 to have a fantastic hit tool, you know, So you know, 0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:21.280 I would definitely say that the seven to eight guys 0:51:22.400 --> 0:51:24.520 throwing in hell for for one bee if we want to. 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:27.920 That's kind of where like the Tier one ends. 0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:31.080 For me, going to the end of the first round, 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:34.919 from picks thirty through twenty one. A name that really 0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:38.840 jumped out at me because I think before the college 0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:44.480 baseball season started, Cam Flukey was potentially starting pitcher number one, 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:47.319 even ahead of a guy like Jackson Flora. He dealt 0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:50.560 with injuries, it wasn't his best season, but I still 0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:52.680 think that he has a ton of potential. And in 0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:56.040 mock Draft two point zero he was going number twelve overall. 0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:59.000 In mock Draft three point zero, he's all the way 0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:01.840 down to twenty nine and the Giants do have the 0:52:02.080 --> 0:52:06.239 fourth pick and the twenty ninth is Jacob Lombard being 0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:09.440 drafted at number four as a cost saving measure so 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:13.560 they can go get Cam Fluky. Is it just that's 0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:17.200 where Cam Flukey is going to land because he's sliding, 0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:18.399 Like break that down. 0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:20.839 For me, it's a mix of both. 0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:23.000 I feel like and with Lombard, I would say he's 0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:26.440 closer to slot value at four than you know, being 0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:28.520 an underslot guy. If he signs for under is probably 0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:32.560 not gonna be a ton of savings. So and our process, 0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:34.959 you know, going through it was like, hey, Flukey's still 0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:38.239 available here, and the main reason is because you know, 0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:41.160 obviously you mentioned the stretch fracture in the rib. You know, 0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:44.239 saw him week one, he looked very solid and then 0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:46.759 was out for eleven weeks because of the injury, and 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:48.839 wasn't I don't want to say he wasn't crisp at 0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:50.200 the end of the season, but it took him some 0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:52.600 time to get back into form a little bit. And 0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:56.759 you know, there's been some talk about like, you know, 0:52:57.600 --> 0:53:01.040 is there anything plus in the profile thes like pitch wise, 0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:03.879 probably not. I would say fastball is probably closest, maybe 0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:07.520 the curveball, but it's really polished and really really proven. 0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:09.440 There's a lot of track record there. You know, he 0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:12.400 was going to be the first guy since I believe 0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:14.680 either Louder or Burns to pitch two hundred and fifty 0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:19.160 innings and be a first round pick. But that was 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:22.440 the biggest thing, was like just finding a suitor somewhere 0:53:22.480 --> 0:53:24.879 in the teens or even twenties for him, because there's 0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:27.000 a lot of helium guys kind of rising into the 0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:30.480 teams right now, especially on the college pitching front, that 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:33.600 you depending on who you guys safe. You served Fluky 0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:35.680 in some sense because of the fact that he just 0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:36.680 wasn't pitching this year. 0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:39.160 So in my opinion, at. 0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:41.560 The end of the day, he's going to be used 0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:45.439 as like, say, in this scenario, Lombard doesn't sign for under, 0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:48.239 maybe you get Fluky at a discount of twenty nine 0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:50.800 to kind of save you some some wiggle room, and 0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:52.800 then if you're the Giants, kind of start aiming for 0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:55.960 some higher priced guys later on to see, you know what, 0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:58.439 can we kind of get out of this to pair 0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:01.759 of these two together. So it's definitely a mix of both. 0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:04.640 And I still feel like the Angels probably still knock 0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:06.680 on his door try and wonder it's like, hey do 0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:08.560 we what do we do here? 0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:09.840 Because it's still. 0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:12.000 The angels like they still want to have a guy 0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:17.160 that rises quickly through the system with in Polise, I 0:54:17.239 --> 0:54:20.520 believe is the the scouting director is still there even 0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:23.879 with Nastian being fired, So you know, I think that's 0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:25.960 an early spot for him. But it was just really 0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:28.640 tough to find a suitor for him farther down with 0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:31.600 all the rising guys in this class, and it just 0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:33.520 felt like a match Bate and Haaven for the Giants 0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:35.759 to kind of go after this guy. And if you're 0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:38.520 the Giants, you're happy in that scenario, right you don't 0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:41.680 have any upside really starting pitching wise in that system 0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:42.080 right now. 0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:45.399 And to get a guy who, like you had. 0:54:45.360 --> 0:54:47.560 Mentioned the beginning of the year, preseason, number one arm 0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:50.320 in the country, I say you take out and Renova. 0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:53.120 If you're Giants, I feel like every year we're going 0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:56.799 to get the two way dream being sold to us 0:54:56.920 --> 0:55:00.640 on somebody. That dream almost never starts, and if it does, 0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:04.759 they put it on ice pretty quickly. But we're getting 0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:06.640 the two way dream a little bit here with Jared 0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:12.200 grindligger and super talented, obviously left handed pitcher and outfielder. 0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:14.759 And you know, you look at there's a reason why. 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:17.360 I mean, these are special athletes that people talk themselves 0:55:17.400 --> 0:55:18.920 into with this and like I was just talking to 0:55:18.960 --> 0:55:23.239 Bryce Eldridge before a game not too long ago, and yeah, 0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:26.399 I was just asking him like semi ton and tongue 0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:29.239 in cheek, like does the pitching aspect ever? You know, 0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:30.959 I help you in the box when you're thinking about 0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:32.880 just what you would throw yourself. He's like, that helped me, 0:55:33.000 --> 0:55:34.640 like it low way, but now it feels like so 0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:38.200 far away ago. I it doesn't even really feel like 0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:40.360 part of this, like part of my career. And I 0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:42.279 never pitched a high enough level to really be able 0:55:42.320 --> 0:55:44.239 to to tap into that part of my brain. And 0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:45.719 that was a guy that I thought had as good 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:49.040 of a chance as anybody because of the arsenal that 0:55:49.120 --> 0:55:51.000 he had on the mound as well, Like what are 0:55:51.040 --> 0:55:53.200 the chances that Grindwigger can actually do this? 0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:56.680 And is this gonna be baked into the eval? 0:55:57.080 --> 0:55:58.800 What do you think most teams see him as I 0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:00.719 think that's the fun part that's you usually split as 0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:02.879 like some teams will se him an outfielder, some teams 0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:04.080 will seehm as a left tended pitcher. 0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:07.480 I'm just curious what the assessment is there. 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:12.040 Yeah, it was definitely considered and talking with Kylie mcdamuel 0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:17.120 at the USA Complex in March. Here's the vibe that 0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:19.560 I kind of get from him. Obviously, Grimlinger reclassed from 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:22.440 twenty seven to twenty six really late. He's going to 0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:25.200 be seventeen years and two months on Saturday when he 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:28.759 gets drafted, and that gives you a lot of lead 0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:30.920 time really with development pathways. 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:31.200 You know. 0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:33.719 The way that Kylie was explaining it to me was 0:56:33.840 --> 0:56:36.680 the fact that, like, hey, there's a chance that you 0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:40.080 get stuck at the complex for two years and it 0:56:40.239 --> 0:56:42.719 kind of create your own path from there. Basically, like 0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:46.280 depending on who you talk to, Like I've spoken to scouts, 0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:48.600 you prefer the bat, some prefer the arm. So there's 0:56:48.600 --> 0:56:51.160 not really definitive answer on like what he's going to 0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:52.880 do right now. I think that really speaks to the 0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:54.839 talent level on both sides of the ball for him, 0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:58.320 and the idea of putting him at the complex for 0:56:58.360 --> 0:57:00.759 two years is like, hey, let's let's find out what 0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:03.279 we think you can be really good at, and if 0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:04.920 you prove to us that you can be a legitimate 0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:07.120 two way player, then we'll we'll develop you as such. 0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:09.839 But if you happen to be better as one thing, 0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:11.600 or the other. Then we're going to go that direction 0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:15.680 and go from there. So that's the that's kind of 0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:19.720 how we've gone through the process with grim Linger is uh, 0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:23.800 you know, we are gonna have him as a two 0:57:23.840 --> 0:57:26.760 way prospect for now, but I think at the end 0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:28.680 of the day, maybe he does just go to one. 0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:30.360 But I think he's got the best chance of any 0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:33.840 recent two way prospect at the amateur level to to 0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:37.480 really be that two way guy. And you know, I've 0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:40.680 talked to it nauseam before, where like being a two 0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:44.040 way is incredibly difficult. You mentioned Eldridge and having this 0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:46.160 arsenal he had, and then he's a first round pick 0:57:46.200 --> 0:57:50.320 as a bat and you know, show Hay is obviously 0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:52.520 the cream of the crop. He's the guy that everybody 0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:55.560 looks at when it comes to two way guys. But 0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:58.080 being a legitimate two way at that kind of level, 0:57:58.160 --> 0:58:03.360 like show A has, is just outlier stuff. It's generational stuff, really, 0:58:05.480 --> 0:58:07.320 and that really just puts into respect of how hard 0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:09.240 it is to do that kind of thing. So we'll 0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:11.200 see what happens with Grimlinger, but I think at the 0:58:11.320 --> 0:58:14.440 end of the day, like there is a legitimate chance 0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:16.800 that he has the prowess to be a two way guy. 0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:18.560 I remember Bubba Chandler. 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:20.920 Also, they let him swing it a little bit like 0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:23.120 at the Complex, and you know, you saw him leave 0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:24.040 the yard a couple of times. 0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:26.360 But it's like he's battling for his life in the box. 0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:29.080 So he's gonna have to work so hard to develop 0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:30.800 as a hitter, and you're gonna take away from from 0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:32.760 what can be you know, as a pitcher, which we've 0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:34.800 seen so many flashes of what can be there. 0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:36.840 So that was the biggest reason. I was curious too, 0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:38.880 because you saw bub but at least. 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:41.120 Get some runway at the complex, and it was like, hey, 0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:43.040 you're not gonna get a ton, but show us something 0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:45.080 quick and we'll see what can happen. But you have 0:58:45.200 --> 0:58:47.160 him going to the Rockies. That makes a lot of 0:58:47.240 --> 0:58:49.280 sense where they could have some more time there to 0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:50.160 kind of see. 0:58:50.200 --> 0:58:50.960 You know, what works. 0:58:52.680 --> 0:58:55.280 And Jack Higlion, I feel like, is another good example 0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:57.440 of a two way guy. Came out of Florida and 0:58:57.480 --> 0:58:59.640 he's throwing one hundred miles an hour. But you know 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:02.760 they drafted him, I guess technically is a two way player. 0:59:02.800 --> 0:59:04.480 But then he started hitting bombs and now he's going 0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:06.200 to be in the home run derby, which was just 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:10.680 announced today. Speaking about big lefties, there's another lefty at 0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:12.240 the end of the first round you have going to 0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:15.800 pick number thirty five, Brody Bamilla. I think that's how 0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:21.280 you pronounce his last name. Six foot nine, gigantic high 0:59:21.280 --> 0:59:24.120 school pitcher who's been up to one hundred miles an 0:59:24.160 --> 0:59:27.280 hour and he's been going viral online just because the 0:59:27.360 --> 0:59:32.720 stuff pops off the screen. But people might be surprised 0:59:32.800 --> 0:59:35.640 to say he's not even going in the top thirty picks, 0:59:35.800 --> 0:59:39.000 even though there is all of this perceived potential. So 0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:41.280 I'm curious if you could break down a guy that 0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:43.320 has been getting a lot of buzz, at least in 0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:44.520 social media circles. 0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:46.960 Yeah, the biggest thing for him. 0:59:47.400 --> 0:59:50.760 And admittedly after we posted or like submitted this mod 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:53.040 it came out that he had a second UCL injury, 0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:57.320 and being that young and having not only one but 0:59:57.440 --> 1:00:03.680 two UCL syrageries at this juncture, it doesn't necessarily help 1:00:03.760 --> 1:00:05.880 his case. You know, I understand like teams are not 1:00:06.760 --> 1:00:09.160 as scared available injuries as they were back when, like 1:00:09.320 --> 1:00:12.800 Mark Apell and trying to remember the guy who went 1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:14.880 to the Astros at one and then signed with the 1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:17.400 Guardians the year after. I can't remember his name, but uh, 1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:22.920 oh Bratty Aikin, that's who it was. So like, obviously 1:00:23.000 --> 1:00:26.240 that doesn't scare them as much, but the fact that 1:00:26.360 --> 1:00:29.520 it's more than just one injury at this point, uh, 1:00:29.880 --> 1:00:33.160 it kind of does speak volumes to how a how 1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:36.760 volatile prep pitching is and pitching in general. But also 1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:41.400 the same token, you know, injuries can be a death 1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:44.000 sentence when it comes to stuff like this. Unfortunately, and 1:00:44.600 --> 1:00:45.960 you know, as much as he hit one hundred, it 1:00:46.000 --> 1:00:50.000 is eighty grade fastball. It's amazing, Like the power prowess 1:00:50.040 --> 1:00:54.880 has always been there with that pitch. It never felt 1:00:55.000 --> 1:00:58.760 like there was as much helium after the season ended 1:00:58.800 --> 1:01:00.360 for him, and then it kind of came out as 1:01:00.520 --> 1:01:02.040 the combine started coming along. 1:01:02.120 --> 1:01:03.440 It's like, hey, he might be injured. 1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:06.240 I remember getting a text from Brian Recca, who's done 1:01:06.240 --> 1:01:08.720 a phenomenal job in the Northeast, where he's like, hey, 1:01:08.760 --> 1:01:10.000 there's a potential injury here. 1:01:10.280 --> 1:01:10.880 Just heads up. 1:01:11.280 --> 1:01:13.560 And then it comes out, you know, two days ago 1:01:13.720 --> 1:01:16.000 that like, hey, he's now got an injury. Hasn't thrown 1:01:16.040 --> 1:01:20.840 the ball since the season ended, so it's a it's 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:23.680 a tough blow, and I think when we kind of 1:01:23.760 --> 1:01:26.480 update this monk on Saturday morning for four point zero 1:01:26.480 --> 1:01:29.439 in the final edition of this there's a non zero 1:01:29.560 --> 1:01:31.200 chance that he might not even be on the mock, 1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:34.800 mainly because of that injury scare, which sucks because he's 1:01:34.840 --> 1:01:38.400 a very talented kid. You know, he was dropping forty 1:01:38.440 --> 1:01:40.600 points to twenty rebounds on the on the hardwood before 1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:42.400 he went out and started throwing a hundred on the mountain. 1:01:42.480 --> 1:01:44.960 So he's a very talented athlete for a kid his size, 1:01:45.000 --> 1:01:47.880 and wish him nothing but the best, but yeah, it's 1:01:48.000 --> 1:01:51.680 it's definitely a h an injury nightmare unfortunately with him, 1:01:51.720 --> 1:01:56.160 and just hope it all comes comes to fruition and 1:01:56.280 --> 1:01:58.440 hopefully everything will be back to normals he comes back 1:01:58.440 --> 1:02:01.960 from injury, but it's a it's a tough situation with him. 1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:05.520 So Justin Lebron is probably one of the most if 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:07.680 not the most polarizing players in the draft, and I 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:09.320 want to start with him, but then I also want 1:02:09.360 --> 1:02:12.640 to tee you up for like, in this mock, who's 1:02:12.720 --> 1:02:15.400 the player that could potentially you know, and maybe this 1:02:15.600 --> 1:02:18.160 is the answer that could go as high as a 1:02:18.280 --> 1:02:20.000 certain point and as low as a certain point, like 1:02:20.040 --> 1:02:22.800 who has the largest delta between the ceiling and the 1:02:22.840 --> 1:02:25.560 floor of where they could be drafted. You have Lebron 1:02:25.680 --> 1:02:27.960 going at seventeen, which I'd imagine is somewhere in the 1:02:28.040 --> 1:02:32.640 middle of that. For him, the shortstop from Alabama has 1:02:32.680 --> 1:02:35.040 all the defensive tools to be spectacular there, but sometimes 1:02:35.080 --> 1:02:37.680 struggles with the routine. Has the offensive ability to be 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:42.120 an impactful hitter, but you struggled in conference playing, struggles 1:02:42.160 --> 1:02:44.120 with some swing and miss at points. So it's that 1:02:44.440 --> 1:02:48.920 tools and excitement, but you know some concerns as well 1:02:49.000 --> 1:02:54.720 to go with. That creates the classic volatile, polarizing player. Obviously, 1:02:54.760 --> 1:02:57.880 the Astros never deterred by risk when it comes to 1:02:57.960 --> 1:03:00.880 the draft, but they're also rarely picking even this high 1:03:01.160 --> 1:03:04.480 at seventeen. I'll start with Lebron and you know, what 1:03:04.600 --> 1:03:07.440 do you think his ceiling and floor is? Why do 1:03:07.520 --> 1:03:09.919 you think you know the Astros are a good landing spot. 1:03:09.960 --> 1:03:12.720 And then if he is not the most volatile of 1:03:13.160 --> 1:03:15.880 first round picks here in this mock draft, who's the 1:03:15.920 --> 1:03:17.720 guy that you think could go as high as X 1:03:17.840 --> 1:03:19.160 pick and as well as why pick? 1:03:20.680 --> 1:03:22.600 I definitely think it's going to be Lebron on both 1:03:22.720 --> 1:03:25.080 questions there, or at least when it comes to like 1:03:25.480 --> 1:03:27.320 he can go this high, but then his floor is 1:03:27.400 --> 1:03:30.480 all the way down here in the biggest reason, like 1:03:30.560 --> 1:03:32.360 you mentioned, the swing and miss has been a concern, 1:03:32.640 --> 1:03:35.520 Like every single year, we've kind of looked at Lebron. 1:03:35.560 --> 1:03:37.360 We're like, early in the season, like, hey, this looks 1:03:37.400 --> 1:03:39.800 like a legitimate top five pick. We did it last 1:03:39.880 --> 1:03:41.720 year and had him as the early one to one 1:03:41.760 --> 1:03:44.200 a year and a half out, and then he kind 1:03:44.200 --> 1:03:46.480 of fell off, and here comes Rock with an amazing season, 1:03:47.040 --> 1:03:50.560 and now he did the same thing. And I think 1:03:50.640 --> 1:03:52.480 even the defense has kind of fallen back just that 1:03:52.600 --> 1:03:55.320 little bit. You know, me and Aaron were talking about 1:03:55.320 --> 1:03:57.480 this the other week, where I still think he's very 1:03:57.600 --> 1:04:00.240 much capable of playing shortstop. I think we on a 1:04:00.280 --> 1:04:04.680 public scale underrate the development of defense at the pro 1:04:04.880 --> 1:04:08.320 level because when we like, for example, Cole Emerson wasn't 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:10.600 necessarily a lockdown shortstop when he was drafted by the 1:04:10.680 --> 1:04:13.480 Mariners in twenty three, he was kind of this guy 1:04:13.680 --> 1:04:15.800 is like he has the tools to stick here, we're 1:04:15.880 --> 1:04:18.880 not sold on it yet. And now he's a legitimate shortstop. 1:04:19.120 --> 1:04:21.560 So I think there's a way you can clean up 1:04:21.560 --> 1:04:23.800 the defense a little bit. He's got the athleticism and 1:04:23.960 --> 1:04:26.400 the range in order to make it work. He was 1:04:26.480 --> 1:04:30.560 just really playing backfooted and really just wasn't didn't look 1:04:30.600 --> 1:04:32.520 as confident this year as he has in the past, 1:04:32.520 --> 1:04:34.600 So I think that's going to be something to work on. 1:04:34.800 --> 1:04:39.000 But swing and miss has never been good. Admittedly, like 1:04:39.360 --> 1:04:41.800 he hammers fastballs. I'll give him credit where credits due. 1:04:41.920 --> 1:04:44.080 Being able to delete fastballs on the top rail like 1:04:44.160 --> 1:04:46.600 he has has been fantastic and you don't find that 1:04:46.720 --> 1:04:50.840 often in an amateur prospect. But it just feels like 1:04:50.960 --> 1:04:53.160 he's guessing it's spin a little bit, like it's a 1:04:53.240 --> 1:04:55.680 mix of he doesn't recognize spin out of the hand 1:04:55.840 --> 1:04:58.240 and also his batpath just has it going right over 1:04:58.360 --> 1:05:02.520 these breaking balls and away. So I think at the 1:05:03.160 --> 1:05:04.640 end of the day, he has the tools to be 1:05:04.680 --> 1:05:06.360 a top ten pick in this class and even top 1:05:06.440 --> 1:05:10.640 five if everything kind of materialized. But you know, you 1:05:10.720 --> 1:05:12.600 look at the astros and go like, hey, they took 1:05:12.640 --> 1:05:14.680 Bryce Matthews a couple years ago kind of the same. 1:05:15.400 --> 1:05:17.400 I don't want to say the same exact mode of player, 1:05:17.480 --> 1:05:19.880 but like the tools are pretty similar. You know, has 1:05:19.920 --> 1:05:22.720 the questions with the hit tool. It's pretty big, right 1:05:22.760 --> 1:05:25.600 handed power that can play short stop and has great athleticism. 1:05:25.840 --> 1:05:28.200 So that's why it kind of made sense for us 1:05:28.240 --> 1:05:29.800 to put him at Houston at seventeen. 1:05:30.280 --> 1:05:31.600 Could he go lower than this? 1:05:31.840 --> 1:05:35.280 I think he can kind of into the twenties, but 1:05:35.440 --> 1:05:37.840 at the higher end of his spectrum, he could be 1:05:38.160 --> 1:05:41.760 back into the top ten pick. So he's one of 1:05:41.800 --> 1:05:45.240 the more confusing ones. Really in our conversations, was like, 1:05:45.920 --> 1:05:48.440 where do we really pick them? But the fit just 1:05:48.520 --> 1:05:49.800 felt perfect with Houston. 1:05:50.560 --> 1:05:53.280 So I have two more questions. I want to ask 1:05:53.560 --> 1:05:58.040 where kind of Jackson Flora were his ranges compared to 1:05:58.240 --> 1:06:02.160 others starting pitching number one in previous draft classes. And 1:06:02.320 --> 1:06:04.880 I have a theory to run by you about who 1:06:05.040 --> 1:06:07.400 I think will end up going number one overall. But 1:06:07.520 --> 1:06:09.840 let's real quick here from our friends at Hampton Farms, 1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:13.200 all right, So I got two questions. One of them 1:06:13.280 --> 1:06:17.960 again going back to the starting pitching conversation, Jackson Flora 1:06:18.360 --> 1:06:20.680 is going at number five in the mock draft and 1:06:21.400 --> 1:06:24.280 watching him at UCSB this year blowing one hundred miles 1:06:24.280 --> 1:06:28.040 an hour feel for a breaking ball, the nasty kick change, 1:06:28.640 --> 1:06:32.920 definitely a fantastic pitcher and a fantastic prospect. But I'm 1:06:33.000 --> 1:06:35.960 curious if you can compare him to the top starting 1:06:36.000 --> 1:06:39.400 pitchers in previous drafts, because in last year's draft, Kate 1:06:39.480 --> 1:06:42.920 Anderson when number three overall and arm correct my if 1:06:42.960 --> 1:06:45.360 I'm wrong, he hasn't allowed to hit all minor league season. 1:06:45.440 --> 1:06:49.080 I think take the numbers like right, and then I 1:06:49.120 --> 1:06:51.480 think the draft before right, it was Chase Burns, who 1:06:51.680 --> 1:06:53.600 is already up with the majors competing for a cy 1:06:53.760 --> 1:06:56.560 young Just comparing to those two and maybe drafts of 1:06:56.600 --> 1:07:00.080 the past, where does Jackson Flora fall into. 1:07:01.320 --> 1:07:03.360 Kind of towards the lower end of like the top 1:07:03.600 --> 1:07:05.080 arms taken in previous drafts? 1:07:05.080 --> 1:07:09.320 Admittedly like and it's not to say like Flora is 1:07:09.360 --> 1:07:10.080 bad or anything. 1:07:10.160 --> 1:07:12.720 I just think when you look at the strings sudden 1:07:12.760 --> 1:07:16.360 weaknesses of this class, weaknesses have been pitching, especially on 1:07:16.440 --> 1:07:19.920 the college front, and with Flora there's some stuff to 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:22.440 really work on still, Like, yes, he throws a hundred, 1:07:22.560 --> 1:07:25.960 but the fastball shape is not necessarily the greatest. He's 1:07:26.000 --> 1:07:28.080 going to lose some vertical carry as he gets to 1:07:28.200 --> 1:07:31.840 pro ball with the different baseballs, and he only I 1:07:31.880 --> 1:07:34.080 think he averaged closer like seventeen or eighteen, So it 1:07:34.080 --> 1:07:38.120 will probably level out like fifteen to sixteen IVV and 1:07:39.440 --> 1:07:41.480 you know as much as one hundred as one hundred, 1:07:41.640 --> 1:07:43.400 like once he loses vee a little bit, it might 1:07:43.800 --> 1:07:46.000 hamper the effectiveness of the fastball. So we'll see what 1:07:46.040 --> 1:07:49.080 happens there. But feel has been fantastic. He has two 1:07:49.120 --> 1:07:52.240 incredible breaking balls and then also that kick change, which 1:07:52.880 --> 1:07:55.439 you know, we'll we'll talk about this more in depth 1:07:55.480 --> 1:07:58.320 probably on the live stream on Saturday. But he didn't 1:07:58.320 --> 1:08:01.120 have a change up last year. He didn't he when 1:08:01.160 --> 1:08:04.280 he threw like a variation of like a circle change 1:08:04.760 --> 1:08:07.600 zero whiffs on the year. Uh, he probably threw like 1:08:07.880 --> 1:08:10.520 ten of them. And this year it it comes in 1:08:10.640 --> 1:08:13.680 to be his most successful swing and mispitch most successful 1:08:13.760 --> 1:08:15.880 chase pitch, if I remember correctly, at like a forty 1:08:16.720 --> 1:08:18.560 rate and like a fifty per chase rate. It was 1:08:18.640 --> 1:08:21.479 ridiculous how good that pitch was this year. And I 1:08:21.520 --> 1:08:25.040 think that really saves him from you know, falling down 1:08:25.080 --> 1:08:26.600 the board a bit further than what he was. I 1:08:26.640 --> 1:08:29.800 think his range starts around I would say two to three. 1:08:30.320 --> 1:08:33.320 I don't necessarily know if his name's you know, been 1:08:35.280 --> 1:08:38.240 pushed in with the White Sox, but he's been rumored 1:08:38.280 --> 1:08:40.120 around like the Rays of Twins of like if they 1:08:40.200 --> 1:08:43.160 want to be if they target and really fancy a 1:08:43.240 --> 1:08:45.479 starting pitcher, they would they would be the places for him. 1:08:45.920 --> 1:08:49.080 But I think for there's legitimacy with the fact that, 1:08:49.200 --> 1:08:51.040 again they don't have a ton of starting pitching death 1:08:51.080 --> 1:08:51.920 in that farm system. 1:08:51.920 --> 1:08:54.160 For the Giants, Pittsburgh is Pittsburgh. 1:08:54.720 --> 1:08:58.360 They just know their their their strengths with development and 1:08:58.439 --> 1:09:00.000 pitching has been that the past couple of years. 1:09:01.280 --> 1:09:02.519 Royals also love him as well. 1:09:02.560 --> 1:09:04.559 So I think you'll go anywhere from like two to three, 1:09:04.720 --> 1:09:08.400 maybe down to like seven is probably his floor, but 1:09:08.479 --> 1:09:10.160 I really find a hard time to see him even 1:09:10.200 --> 1:09:10.840 go past six. 1:09:11.760 --> 1:09:13.639 Arm you got another question and you're ready form a theory. 1:09:13.840 --> 1:09:14.960 Now I'm ready for your theory. 1:09:15.360 --> 1:09:18.240 Okay, So first of all, I want to preface it 1:09:18.320 --> 1:09:21.519 with this, I'm a better and as a better I'm 1:09:21.560 --> 1:09:26.240 looking for value. So I'm throwing both of you my theory, 1:09:26.680 --> 1:09:29.360 and I understand it's not going to be perfect. I 1:09:29.520 --> 1:09:35.320 expect hopefully constructive criticism, but I'm coming from the position 1:09:35.640 --> 1:09:38.960 of this bet on BETMGM is plus five hundred, so 1:09:39.160 --> 1:09:42.240 I think it is a more likely scenario than the 1:09:42.360 --> 1:09:47.080 implied probability of sixteen point six seven percent. That's where 1:09:47.120 --> 1:09:50.400 I'm coming from, where I see value at this pick, 1:09:50.920 --> 1:09:55.559 and it gets into my theory of I think Chris 1:09:55.880 --> 1:10:00.600 gets is also going to be looking for value the 1:10:00.680 --> 1:10:03.160 GM of the White Sox in this draft. And you 1:10:03.280 --> 1:10:07.280 said at the beginning that the rumor that von Lackey 1:10:07.400 --> 1:10:09.479 was going to take eight and a half million dollars 1:10:10.600 --> 1:10:14.000 is not maybe necessarily true. But can we agree that 1:10:14.160 --> 1:10:17.880 he likely takes less money than it would to pay 1:10:18.080 --> 1:10:23.080 Rock Chulaski or Grady Emerson, who, funny enough, are represented 1:10:23.160 --> 1:10:25.600 by the same agency, so there's not really going to 1:10:25.680 --> 1:10:29.599 be haggling in between agents. That agency likely has already 1:10:29.680 --> 1:10:33.400 set their prices on Rock and Emerson. So can we 1:10:33.479 --> 1:10:36.400 at least agree that by drafting von Lackey it would 1:10:36.400 --> 1:10:40.680 be saving them money? Yes, yes, okay, good, So that's 1:10:40.880 --> 1:10:45.320 point number one. I also think that the White Sox 1:10:45.760 --> 1:10:52.000 are are drafting from a position of win now more 1:10:52.080 --> 1:10:54.800 than maybe some other teams in previous drafts who have 1:10:54.880 --> 1:10:59.960 gotten the number one overall pick, So drafting Grady Emerson 1:11:00.320 --> 1:11:04.799 he could be the model's favorite player, but an eighteen 1:11:04.880 --> 1:11:07.280 year old. The year after, they just drafted a high 1:11:07.280 --> 1:11:10.160 school shortstop at number ten, And then it kind of 1:11:10.240 --> 1:11:13.519 bleeds into my next point, just about drafting shortstops in general. 1:11:14.080 --> 1:11:16.160 The White Sex are in an interesting position because a 1:11:16.240 --> 1:11:20.080 lot of their key pieces are shortstops. In third basement, 1:11:20.880 --> 1:11:23.320 you got Colson Montgomery at twenty four years old, with 1:11:23.479 --> 1:11:26.040 plenty of years of arbitration, on pace to be the 1:11:26.120 --> 1:11:28.840 first left handed shortstop to ever hit forty home runs 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:32.120 very very cheap. At third base, got Miguel Vargas, who 1:11:32.160 --> 1:11:35.000 is just named an All Star. And at first base, 1:11:35.080 --> 1:11:36.800 even if you were to move Vargas over there, you 1:11:36.880 --> 1:11:39.280 got moon to Takomarakami, who they still have for another 1:11:39.320 --> 1:11:41.200 year and a half. But then, on top of it, 1:11:41.520 --> 1:11:44.640 their number one prospect is Caleb Bonamer, who I know 1:11:44.840 --> 1:11:50.519 arm is brought up in multiple Knowlmilb reports on this 1:11:50.680 --> 1:11:54.400 show as a guy who just continues to pillage baseballs. 1:11:54.479 --> 1:11:57.160 And that's not even mentioning again, Billy Carlson, who they 1:11:57.240 --> 1:12:00.759 drafted number ten overall last season. I see a White 1:12:00.840 --> 1:12:06.960 Stocks team that shortstop or even third base is the 1:12:07.200 --> 1:12:11.240 least of their needs throughout their entire organization. And then 1:12:11.280 --> 1:12:14.800 I look at the catching position within their organization and 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:19.719 I see among their top thirty prospects, their best catching 1:12:19.840 --> 1:12:23.560 prospect is not even above rookie ball. And then you 1:12:23.640 --> 1:12:27.000 look at the catchers in house. Edgar Carrow has clearly 1:12:27.520 --> 1:12:30.479 not gotten off to a good start at all. And 1:12:30.520 --> 1:12:32.960 then you have Kyle Teal, who I still believe in. 1:12:33.200 --> 1:12:35.320 I like Kyle Teal, armkes Kyle Teal. I think you 1:12:35.400 --> 1:12:37.800 like Kyle Teal. We all like Kyle Teal, But just 1:12:37.880 --> 1:12:40.600 looking at it right now, since he debuted, he has 1:12:40.640 --> 1:12:42.920 not been a very good defensive catcher, and at least 1:12:42.960 --> 1:12:46.000 now through this season he's struggling offensively. I still like him. 1:12:46.040 --> 1:12:48.240 I'm not holding him against him, just kind of bringing 1:12:48.320 --> 1:12:50.800 up that Kyle Teal is not the perfect catcher, like 1:12:50.920 --> 1:12:53.840 let's say Colson Montgomery is at short or Miguel Vargas 1:12:53.920 --> 1:12:55.639 is at third, Like if you were to pick between those, 1:12:56.960 --> 1:13:02.400 there's two clearly playing better than the other. So Von 1:13:02.560 --> 1:13:06.640 Lackey at plus five hundred, when you add up all 1:13:06.720 --> 1:13:09.280 of these different things, where the White Sox are also 1:13:09.400 --> 1:13:12.120 picking at pick forty one, do they go with a 1:13:12.320 --> 1:13:16.960 catcher who, in my opinion, is rightfully. In that group 1:13:17.040 --> 1:13:19.720 of three, I think Rock Scholaski and Grady Emerson are 1:13:19.880 --> 1:13:23.479 probably better prospects, but I think Von Lackey is right there. 1:13:23.600 --> 1:13:25.920 Because I'm no scout, I'm not pretending to be a 1:13:25.960 --> 1:13:29.680 scout either, But when I watched Lackie and Rock this year, 1:13:30.160 --> 1:13:32.720 I came away thinking Lacky is the better player. It's 1:13:32.760 --> 1:13:35.960 one season. It was just this past year. Rock also 1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:39.040 has a longer track record, and I don't watch high 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:41.120 school games. I'm not going to pretend to say that 1:13:41.200 --> 1:13:44.400 I do. I've seen Grady Emerson highlights, looks awesome, but 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:46.800 I haven't seen him in person. I haven't seen him 1:13:46.920 --> 1:13:49.439 throughout an entire game on TV like I've seen Rock 1:13:49.479 --> 1:13:52.160 and Von Lackey. So that's when I go back to 1:13:52.280 --> 1:13:54.400 the Von Lackey point. You got a catcher who at 1:13:54.439 --> 1:13:56.719 four hundred with a thirteen hundred OHPS, who I believe 1:13:56.800 --> 1:13:59.760 is going to be a better defender than Kyle t 1:14:00.600 --> 1:14:04.000 and might make the Bigs a little bit quicker, who 1:14:04.080 --> 1:14:06.519 knows maybe the same as Rock to again help the 1:14:06.600 --> 1:14:11.960 White Sox win. So you factor in position cost and 1:14:12.160 --> 1:14:14.599 the fact that Von Lackey is a damn good player. 1:14:15.680 --> 1:14:18.880 I think at plus five hundred, the likelihood he gets 1:14:18.920 --> 1:14:22.280 taken first overall is higher than sixteen point six seven percent. 1:14:22.880 --> 1:14:28.000 Thoughts, I don't hate that, I really don't, and kind 1:14:28.000 --> 1:14:29.519 of the three of your point because you mentioned the 1:14:29.600 --> 1:14:31.680 idea of like, okay, he signs for under slot and 1:14:32.080 --> 1:14:34.519 the White Soince historically the past couple of years have 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:37.960 targeted a high school guy at their second overall pick 1:14:39.360 --> 1:14:41.320 or like their second round pick, rather where like they 1:14:41.400 --> 1:14:44.639 took Caleb Bonamber two years ago, they took Jayden Fowski 1:14:44.800 --> 1:14:47.320 last year, and Fauski looks like, you know, one of 1:14:47.360 --> 1:14:50.120 the better I would say trade chips in that White 1:14:50.120 --> 1:14:54.320 Sox system as well. So it totally makes sense in 1:14:54.479 --> 1:14:56.600 terms of like looking at that and also considering the 1:14:57.160 --> 1:14:59.840 the pipeline of talent in that farm system and looking 1:14:59.880 --> 1:15:01.720 at the major league roster where like, yeah, this is 1:15:01.800 --> 1:15:04.720 a team that's you know, they're picking one one, but 1:15:04.800 --> 1:15:08.560 they're they're good, you know, they're they're they're on the 1:15:08.640 --> 1:15:11.360 verge of I can't remember where they are in the standings. 1:15:11.400 --> 1:15:13.200 I think they're they are in the wildcard spot, or 1:15:13.200 --> 1:15:15.439 they're very close to one, or they're. 1:15:15.320 --> 1:15:16.080 Leading the division. 1:15:16.240 --> 1:15:17.280 Yeah, leading the division. 1:15:18.000 --> 1:15:20.200 Oh, okay, Wow, I've paid attention to they will be 1:15:20.320 --> 1:15:20.599 this year. 1:15:20.640 --> 1:15:24.960 Apparently we'll give you're writing up a draft board of 1:15:25.080 --> 1:15:27.680 three hundred names. I think we know where you're attached at. 1:15:27.880 --> 1:15:29.280 Is that right now? Which is totally fine? 1:15:30.080 --> 1:15:30.920 That that is fair. 1:15:31.040 --> 1:15:33.200 Yeah, but like you know, I think that's a that's 1:15:33.200 --> 1:15:34.920 a great way of looking at it. And and also 1:15:35.120 --> 1:15:39.040 like I would say, like counterpoints like, yeah, Murricami's only 1:15:39.080 --> 1:15:40.840 got a year and a half left, see what happens 1:15:40.840 --> 1:15:43.200 from there. Maybe move Vargus over the first base when 1:15:43.400 --> 1:15:46.360 like if they pick Rock, move Rock to shore stop 1:15:46.439 --> 1:15:50.800 close in the third, and then when goes across I guess, 1:15:51.080 --> 1:15:56.280 and then Bonemer Bonemer really depends on what happens there 1:15:56.360 --> 1:15:58.920 is I guess it's a log jam. It is probably 1:15:58.920 --> 1:16:00.960 the best way to describe it. And like, I don't 1:16:00.960 --> 1:16:02.800 want to say it's a bad thing necessarily to have. 1:16:04.120 --> 1:16:05.960 Having a lot of great players is a great thing 1:16:06.000 --> 1:16:08.439 to have. I'm just saying for a position of need, 1:16:08.600 --> 1:16:11.439 if they don't see the gap between Lackeye and Rock 1:16:11.479 --> 1:16:14.040 Schlowski and Grady Emerson is that large and they can 1:16:14.120 --> 1:16:18.560 save money on Lackey, That's where I think potentially we 1:16:18.680 --> 1:16:21.439 could see him go number one overall, because again, this 1:16:21.560 --> 1:16:24.880 is not a cost saving pick. It just so happens 1:16:24.920 --> 1:16:27.679 to be a cost saving pick, and von Lackey is awesome. 1:16:28.000 --> 1:16:29.400 I'm curious your thoughts on my theory. 1:16:29.840 --> 1:16:32.840 Yeah, well, I think a lot of times with the 1:16:33.160 --> 1:16:35.680 when it comes to like log jam or perceived log jam, 1:16:36.240 --> 1:16:38.600 I don't think the team's care as much as like 1:16:38.720 --> 1:16:41.320 we do when we roster resource, like try to map 1:16:41.400 --> 1:16:45.360 it out. That said, like, I'm sure there's a wrinkle 1:16:45.479 --> 1:16:49.519 to it, but like Bonhamer, guy's gotta hit big league pitching, 1:16:49.560 --> 1:16:51.000 Like all these guys have to hit big league pitching, 1:16:51.000 --> 1:16:52.760 So you might as well have as many you know, 1:16:52.960 --> 1:16:55.760 infielders as you possibly can and try to see who 1:16:55.800 --> 1:16:56.519 can actually do it. 1:16:56.920 --> 1:16:58.560 The biggest thing to me is, and I think this 1:16:58.680 --> 1:16:59.640 is what it all comes down to. 1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:02.880 Is like if it is really like splitting hairs in 1:17:02.920 --> 1:17:05.640 the eyes of the White Sox between Lackey and Jelawski, 1:17:05.720 --> 1:17:08.120 then it makes a lot of sense because I think 1:17:08.160 --> 1:17:09.640 it won and I think Henry Davis is. 1:17:09.680 --> 1:17:10.760 Kind of a cautionary tale. 1:17:10.960 --> 1:17:13.920 You can't save money at one unless there's a really 1:17:14.000 --> 1:17:17.040 specific reason why you're doing it. In terms of like 1:17:17.439 --> 1:17:19.360 you don't see that much difference with the players, because 1:17:19.360 --> 1:17:21.439 for me, it's like, how often do you get to 1:17:21.439 --> 1:17:24.960 pick number one? Yeah, you can't get it wrong. You 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:27.360 have to get number one right. Like that's how you 1:17:27.479 --> 1:17:31.040 lose jobs, is getting number one wrong. And so for me, 1:17:31.200 --> 1:17:34.280 it's just the question then comes down to what are 1:17:34.320 --> 1:17:38.960 the odds that Lackey and Jelaski are viewed in pretty 1:17:39.040 --> 1:17:42.000 much the same light? Tyler, you think but between these 1:17:42.080 --> 1:17:44.120 two in the eyes of the White Sox, because I 1:17:44.120 --> 1:17:46.080 think that's the only way that that that is possible, 1:17:46.240 --> 1:17:47.920 and I think that is possible, But I just I 1:17:47.960 --> 1:17:50.040 don't know how possible it is that they see these 1:17:50.040 --> 1:17:51.120 two players in the same light. 1:17:52.200 --> 1:17:54.280 Yeah, Like I mentioned earlier, with that eight point five 1:17:54.320 --> 1:17:58.560 million dollar rumor that Lackey had at the combine, I 1:17:58.920 --> 1:18:01.360 am still very sure Name is involved in some way, 1:18:01.360 --> 1:18:03.040 shape or for him in that war room and will 1:18:03.120 --> 1:18:06.479 for the remainder of the week. But at the moment, 1:18:06.600 --> 1:18:09.240 it just feels like Rock and Emerson heaven the ones 1:18:09.320 --> 1:18:12.000 really brought up the most and I at least pressas 1:18:12.080 --> 1:18:14.320 with this too, Like we mentioned money savings and everything 1:18:14.439 --> 1:18:16.720 like that. You know, this is the first year where 1:18:16.720 --> 1:18:18.960 we have an eleven million dollars signing bonus at one 1:18:19.000 --> 1:18:22.840 to one, and the signing bonus record is still even 1:18:22.880 --> 1:18:24.760 holiday from a year ago, which I believe was nine 1:18:24.800 --> 1:18:27.840 point two five million. So I feel like, even then, 1:18:28.040 --> 1:18:31.519 if if Rock signs, for example, for nine point five million, 1:18:31.600 --> 1:18:34.439 he still gets the record and he saves the White 1:18:34.479 --> 1:18:36.799 Sox at least two million dollars to go after somebody 1:18:36.840 --> 1:18:40.519 at forty one, Whereas you know, obviously a Lacky does 1:18:40.560 --> 1:18:43.960 sign for eight point five, he saves them three million 1:18:43.960 --> 1:18:45.960 dollars and then can go big fish hunting at forty one. 1:18:46.080 --> 1:18:48.640 So it's an interesting theory to kind of look at 1:18:48.640 --> 1:18:51.760 it that way, where like, whoever they take it one 1:18:51.760 --> 1:18:54.120 pint one is going to save them a significant love 1:18:54.200 --> 1:18:57.479 summer change. But you're then kind of looking at it 1:18:57.560 --> 1:19:00.479 from like, Okay, if we get the first ever ten 1:19:00.560 --> 1:19:03.880 million dollar signee in the bonus pool era, you're saving 1:19:03.960 --> 1:19:05.880 only a mill and a half compared to what some 1:19:05.960 --> 1:19:07.519 of these other guys will bring to the table. So 1:19:07.560 --> 1:19:11.320 I think it's a again, it's it's definitely possible. I 1:19:11.600 --> 1:19:14.280 like the theory, Peter that you brought up, and I 1:19:14.360 --> 1:19:16.639 think it's definitely something to keep on the back burners, 1:19:18.680 --> 1:19:20.800 so we'll see what happens when it comes to the 1:19:20.960 --> 1:19:22.400 draft day. I think at the end of the day, 1:19:22.479 --> 1:19:25.000 like whoever they take, they it will be one of 1:19:25.080 --> 1:19:28.679 these top three, and I think we'll get a decision 1:19:28.800 --> 1:19:30.600 either an hour before the draft or. 1:19:31.000 --> 1:19:32.960 Or might go right to the buzzer. We'll see what happens. 1:19:33.520 --> 1:19:36.599 It really stems from the theory, at least, my belief 1:19:36.640 --> 1:19:38.960 in von Lackey. It's not because I think there's something 1:19:39.040 --> 1:19:41.840 wrong with Rock Schlawski at all. I think he breaks. Yeah, 1:19:41.880 --> 1:19:44.120 I think he's gonna be an awesome player. I just 1:19:44.240 --> 1:19:46.920 believe in von Lackey. Like again, I'm not much of 1:19:46.960 --> 1:19:49.280 a scout. It's hard for me to notice, like when 1:19:49.320 --> 1:19:52.839 a catcher is average to blow average to above average, 1:19:53.439 --> 1:19:56.080 But I believe in a catcher defensively when I see 1:19:56.120 --> 1:19:59.280 him pop and I felt like I saw Kayden Bodine pop, 1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:02.200 I feel like a dumb on lacky pop and his 1:20:02.400 --> 1:20:05.479 ability to hit at the plate. I just feel like 1:20:05.520 --> 1:20:08.400 if he was playing third base or shortstop, or he 1:20:08.560 --> 1:20:10.920 was even a corner outfielder, he would still be a 1:20:11.000 --> 1:20:13.840 middle of the first round bat so and then he 1:20:14.000 --> 1:20:16.799 just so happens to be a really really athletic catcher, 1:20:17.080 --> 1:20:19.519 a leader of men. Listening to what the Georgia Tech 1:20:19.560 --> 1:20:21.960 guys said about him, you know, when their postgame press 1:20:22.120 --> 1:20:24.280 is like, this is a leader of men, and I 1:20:24.439 --> 1:20:26.599 just feel like he would be a great selection at 1:20:26.680 --> 1:20:29.200 number one overall. And then they just so happen to 1:20:29.280 --> 1:20:32.200 save money, and then they just so happened to need 1:20:32.360 --> 1:20:35.200 catchers more than shortstops in their basement. So that's where 1:20:35.240 --> 1:20:37.639 the theory comes from. We will see. I cannot wait. 1:20:37.680 --> 1:20:39.760 I also can't wait to read mock Draft four point zero, 1:20:39.960 --> 1:20:42.479 which again will likely come out maybe July tenth, July 1:20:42.560 --> 1:20:46.360 eleventh morning, of when can people expect that it's. 1:20:46.240 --> 1:20:49.880 Probably going to be Saturday morning on a eleven. Just 1:20:50.040 --> 1:20:52.120 that way we can try and get the most like 1:20:52.520 --> 1:20:55.720 connections with rumors that are going around like last year. 1:20:55.800 --> 1:20:59.160 Obviously did we get this right? No, but we had 1:20:59.439 --> 1:21:02.200 we had been to like the Ashros. We're in agreement 1:21:02.280 --> 1:21:04.639 with a prep player at twenty one. I was told 1:21:04.680 --> 1:21:07.040 tape that's south the scene went with him on the 1:21:07.080 --> 1:21:08.720 mock It turned out the being Xavor and Ninets and 1:21:08.720 --> 1:21:11.479 sat the scene with the pick after so like, you know, 1:21:11.880 --> 1:21:13.760 got it wrong, but like hey, that's usually the best 1:21:13.800 --> 1:21:15.679 time when we kind of start figuring some stuff out, 1:21:15.800 --> 1:21:18.599 so it'll probably be like a couple hours more draft 1:21:18.680 --> 1:21:21.840 time on Saturday morning. But either which way, like this 1:21:22.200 --> 1:21:25.200 this top three and thirteen board player like player board 1:21:25.280 --> 1:21:27.800 here that I've been working on, hoping to have it 1:21:27.880 --> 1:21:30.080 out tomorrow if not Friday morning, trying to get some 1:21:30.160 --> 1:21:32.519 maritimes so people can look at which players they want 1:21:32.600 --> 1:21:35.400 at their selections, and then Mock four point zero will 1:21:35.400 --> 1:21:36.320 come out Saturday morning. 1:21:36.880 --> 1:21:38.760 Well, thank you so much Tyler for coming on. This 1:21:39.000 --> 1:21:41.599 was a blast. 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