WEBVTT - Friday Flight - TACO Trading, Pointless Points, & Millionaire Renters #990

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Had of Money.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Joel, I'm Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're talking about taco trading pointless points and millionaire renters.

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<v Speaker 2>Taco Cat Go Cheese Pizza, Joel, Is that a game

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<v Speaker 2>that you'll play?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>For all the folks with kids out there, If you

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<v Speaker 3>have not yet tried the card game Taco Cat Goat

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<v Speaker 3>Cheese Pizza, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would highly recommend. It's a ton of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>They have like a holiday themed one that's like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>I forget what it's like, Santa Elf something. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>those are fun to play with the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But in fact, this is our Friday flight where we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to talk about the best headlines from this past

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<v Speaker 3>week how they pertain to your personal finances. Joel real

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<v Speaker 3>quick man. I was talking to a family member about

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<v Speaker 3>getting a c PAP. This is something that was put

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<v Speaker 3>on his radar by his doctors talking about how much

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<v Speaker 3>of a hassle it is, which by.

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<v Speaker 1>His wife probably Yeah, he snore. Man, why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>fix that?

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<v Speaker 2>But what's the latest with you?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I know that's something that you looked into, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>getting some of that oxygen flowing at night, So you.

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<v Speaker 2>Seem to want to have your breathing interrupted.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually all about listener Seth just sent us an email

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<v Speaker 1>this week and he was asking like, Hey, whatever happened

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<v Speaker 1>with that and how did you Because he's I'm facing

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<v Speaker 1>down a many thousand dollars bill to get the sleep

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<v Speaker 1>test and get the equipment. I think you said you

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<v Speaker 1>did it for cheaper and I was like, oh, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let me let me mention that on the podcast. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>give the details. So basically, my friend Garrett had done

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<v Speaker 1>this and he tipped me off. He said, hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>can actually do an at home sleep test. Now, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, this is not medical advice. I'm not a

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<v Speaker 1>medical practitioner here, but I there's a site called Lafta,

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<v Speaker 1>and you I think there's like two points of contact,

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<v Speaker 1>ones on the finger and then ones around your chest.

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<v Speaker 1>If I remember correctly, it's been a minute. But so

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<v Speaker 1>then they record you the way you sleep during the

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<v Speaker 1>night and they say, hey, you either have sleep apnea

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<v Speaker 1>or or you don't. I did. I pretty much knew that.

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<v Speaker 2>You were like, yeah, yeah, I figured figured that was

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<v Speaker 2>a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so but uh, and then Lafta will also sell

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<v Speaker 1>you the equipment. But I'm at home sleep test is

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<v Speaker 1>super cheaps less less than two hundred bucks. And when

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about going into a hospital facility overnight to

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<v Speaker 1>do that's.

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<v Speaker 3>That seems like the big advantage. I remember when you

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned that because this was something that you'd done previously, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess like when you were a kid, when I

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<v Speaker 3>were like a young adult basically yeah, not a kid, yea,

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<v Speaker 3>but when you had benefits provided by the man. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's not something that we don't have that are being

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<v Speaker 3>self employed. But that sounded like a nightmare scenario. It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>it sounds like some of these like university studies where

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<v Speaker 3>you're in this cold laboratory and you're like, okay, sleep

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<v Speaker 3>on the steel table.

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<v Speaker 1>You feel like a guinea pig.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, it's terribly that's not gonna I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be able to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>It was much nicer to have it done in your

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<v Speaker 1>bed at home and then literally just you know, you upload,

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<v Speaker 1>upload the results of your sleep and then they tell you, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you do you need this or whatever and uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can pay them more for kind of more guided

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<v Speaker 1>help along the way in choosing your SEATPAP machine. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think there are other companies out there that do this.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, this is just the company I use

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<v Speaker 1>that my friend used.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, it's worth mentioning. We don't have any affiliation,

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<v Speaker 3>No Lafta.

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<v Speaker 2>Not at all. Which do they?

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<v Speaker 3>Is there a company called Lafta that also makes mattresses

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<v Speaker 3>or something probably something very less sound like a mattress

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<v Speaker 3>company like Lafta.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and then you can buy your seatpap equipment from

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<v Speaker 1>Lafta because they're essentially writing you a prescription. But you

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<v Speaker 1>can also take that prescription and shop elsewhere, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what I did. I chopped around on the open market

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<v Speaker 1>for that seatpap machine, and I was able to save

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of money buying it from an internet company.

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<v Speaker 1>There were like some great sales going on, so I

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<v Speaker 1>would just say, yeah, get that home sleep sleep study

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<v Speaker 1>and then look around for the machine that is going

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<v Speaker 1>to work for you. And you should be able to

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<v Speaker 1>do this instead of for many, many thousands of dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>for less than a thousand dollars total.

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<v Speaker 3>You didn't get your equipment from Timu or anything. No,

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<v Speaker 3>Jill lags up in the middle of the night and

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<v Speaker 3>his equipment of strangling him. I can't breathe just breathing

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<v Speaker 3>in straight lead. No, I do think I love that

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<v Speaker 3>this is an option, that there are other options out

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<v Speaker 3>there for folks where you don't necessarily have to spend

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully, have you been wearing it like consistently?

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<v Speaker 3>That's the thing, Matt, It's you got the kind that's

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<v Speaker 3>like the pigtail out the top of your s right

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<v Speaker 3>so that you could roll around.

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<v Speaker 1>There's all sorts of different kinds of masks that you

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<v Speaker 1>can choose from.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that I watch you while you sleep, but you

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<v Speaker 2>told me, you told me about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some that are more invasive than others, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is has been the best kind that I've that I've tried.

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<v Speaker 2>As they go, that has been the most successful.

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<v Speaker 1>But unit, it's really hard not to get used to it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so do I find myself ripping it off?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Have I found myself not putting it on at all

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<v Speaker 1>many nights?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Also I get it. So is the cpath that you

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<v Speaker 1>bought that you got to let a much better price

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<v Speaker 1>on still a good deal if you don't use it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that might be a philosophical I would never know

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<v Speaker 1>the answer to.

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<v Speaker 3>Even Still, I'd rather spend a few hundred dollars and

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<v Speaker 3>a few thousand dollars when the potential outcome might be

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<v Speaker 3>the same, which is you not necessarily wearing it. All right, man,

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<v Speaker 3>let's keep moving. But let's talk about travel and vacationing

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<v Speaker 3>because Southwest has officially made their change. Paying for check

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<v Speaker 3>bags started on Wednesday, much to our shigrin that being said,

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<v Speaker 3>if you bought a ticket before that deadline, you will

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<v Speaker 3>get to enjoy free check bags one more time. That

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<v Speaker 3>was me, That was me, yeah, so, but moving forward,

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<v Speaker 3>it is going to cost you thirty five dollars for

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<v Speaker 3>that first bag, forty five dollars for the next. Sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like typical airline. It's like fee structure right here, man,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody else it's certainly gonna make uh. That was like

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<v Speaker 3>our favorite reason, one of the reasons to go with Southwest,

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<v Speaker 3>specifically the free check bag. That's that's how you get

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<v Speaker 3>the nice beer haul. That's right when you are flying

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<v Speaker 3>from other cities, which was something that you got to

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<v Speaker 3>do one last time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, from Texas. And I'm not usually a huge checked

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<v Speaker 1>bag guy. I don't like the check bags unless I'm

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<v Speaker 1>checking for beer or I'm going on my annual backpacking

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<v Speaker 1>trip in which case, I'm bringing a lot more than

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<v Speaker 1>I normally do my giant backpacking bag, and so in this.

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<v Speaker 3>Case seem to fit all everything you need in tiny

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<v Speaker 3>little CoA wis. It's like a real man living off

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<v Speaker 3>of the off the land. At that point, there's more

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<v Speaker 3>you need for that. In addition to that, though, basic

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<v Speaker 3>economy fairs are going to be implemented, which will replace

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<v Speaker 3>the want to get away option that you've gotten used

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<v Speaker 3>to see, it's really hard for me to hear the

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<v Speaker 3>one to get away. Every time I would see I

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<v Speaker 3>would think of that Lene Kravitz song.

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<v Speaker 2>The I Want to get Away.

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<v Speaker 3>I get that I get by from the nineties. But

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<v Speaker 3>then to twist the knife even further, flight credits are

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<v Speaker 3>going to expire within six months before they actually never expired.

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<v Speaker 2>You could just hang on to that.

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<v Speaker 3>So but that means if you cancel a trip this

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<v Speaker 3>is something you got, you got to basically add it

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<v Speaker 3>to the calendar that, hey, we need to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>that we use utilize those credits.

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<v Speaker 2>In order to not lose those credits.

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<v Speaker 1>That was one of the greatest perks of being a

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<v Speaker 1>Southwest customer was, Hey, you know what, I cancel that

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<v Speaker 1>that trip and I can use those points anytime into

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<v Speaker 1>the future. The six month thing is real drag. All

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<v Speaker 1>these things are big drag, and it should, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>reduce the loyalty you feel. If you've been someone who's

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<v Speaker 1>like I fly Southwest because they're great, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>they'll still be great in some ways. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of reasons to be less loyal and just shop for

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<v Speaker 1>the lowest fare, and Southwest was pretty competitive unfairs, although

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<v Speaker 1>not always the lowest, of course. But I think this

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<v Speaker 1>just should push all of us more in the direction

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<v Speaker 1>of shopping and being less loyal to any airline in particular.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's just been more and more of

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<v Speaker 1>the case in general too, especially as airlines are saying

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<v Speaker 1>it's less about how frequently you travel on us, it's

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<v Speaker 1>more about how much money you're spending. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of normal person who flies a few times

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<v Speaker 1>a year, then shopping around makes even more sense than

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<v Speaker 1>being loyal, because you're not going to get rewarded for

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<v Speaker 1>your loyalty at airlines nearly as much these days. And

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<v Speaker 1>then pack light two because I think I would love

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<v Speaker 1>to see more folks avoid checking bags all together. I

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<v Speaker 1>know it's not always possible, especially like on my backpacking trip, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it is more possible than most folks

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid checking a bag. So whatever airline you're on,

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<v Speaker 1>Southwest included, now think about the added costs that checking

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<v Speaker 1>a bag is going to add to your life, and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully you can travel lighter.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, buddy, And as is usual on our Friday flight,

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<v Speaker 3>we have our standing tariff updates. Heavy terrifts against the

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<v Speaker 3>EU were threatened and then pulled back.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't talk about before tariff's by the way.

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<v Speaker 3>We talked about shrinkflation and how much money the government

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<v Speaker 3>was going to infuse into our bank accounts via the

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<v Speaker 3>stemmy money egg prices.

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<v Speaker 2>Egg prices that was a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Bit more recent, which, by the way, I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>we've seen those prices come back down.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, But this.

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<v Speaker 3>Rebounding nature of Trump's terraffs has been true of essentially,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, honestly, every trade policy threat that the Trump

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<v Speaker 3>administration has made, where he says that tariffs are God's

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<v Speaker 3>gifts of the world, but then in reality that they

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<v Speaker 3>only seem to be used as like this blunt instrument

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<v Speaker 3>in order to force other countries to negotiate whether or

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<v Speaker 3>not it's working is debatable, but it's working for some

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<v Speaker 3>investors who are per anticipating in taco trading. And so

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<v Speaker 3>the acronym stands for Trump always chickens out, thus the

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<v Speaker 3>taco and Joel. Some investors are making their investment decisions

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<v Speaker 3>based on terror threats that don't actually materialize. They're making money.

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<v Speaker 3>This is something that I feel like we were alluding

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<v Speaker 3>to this when it came to Terras the first time around,

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<v Speaker 3>when it's just like, you know what, there's a whole

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<v Speaker 3>lot of talk, but let's actually see if this pans

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<v Speaker 3>out as something that gets implemented. By the way, we

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<v Speaker 3>would not recommend for folks to participate in taco trading.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a pure speculative, casino gambling like mentality. It

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<v Speaker 3>is not how you grow your wealth over the long run.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But that being said, I mean, do you remember I

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<v Speaker 1>think when President Trump truthed out, hey, now's a good

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<v Speaker 1>time to buy, and he was spot on because he

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<v Speaker 1>controls the lever essentially of what's gonna happen with the

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<v Speaker 1>economy with a lot of these tariffs. And so if

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<v Speaker 1>you listened to the truth and you bought at that

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<v Speaker 1>very moment in time, you would have done quite well

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<v Speaker 1>for yourself. We've seen man like a twenty plus percent

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<v Speaker 1>run up in the stock market since then. So I

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<v Speaker 1>get why people are saying, I'm going to trade on

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<v Speaker 1>this because it sure looks like I'm seeing a trend

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<v Speaker 1>here which is threatened tariffs that don't actually come to pass,

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<v Speaker 1>at least not in any significant manner. So when the

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<v Speaker 1>stock market freaks because of the proposal, then and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>buy in at the low side, and I am richer

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<v Speaker 1>because of the comeback of that stock or specific industry experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>But also on the tariff talk, Matt, tariffs might not

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<v Speaker 1>just be rolled back by Trump himself, right, That has

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<v Speaker 1>become a pattern. But the courts are now weighing in

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<v Speaker 1>and they have said that the president lacks the legal

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<v Speaker 1>authority to institute widespread tariffs as he's been doing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a one man wrecking ball. And they said,

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<v Speaker 1>stop it so familiar, You're not allowed to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And the stock market was pleased when they when they

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<v Speaker 1>saw that ruling. But a federal trade court basically said

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<v Speaker 1>that this big chunk of tariffs that have been levied

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<v Speaker 1>by the executive branch is an overreach of that branch

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<v Speaker 1>of government and that their I guess legal footing is substandard.

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<v Speaker 1>But also like will this ruling stick around what happens

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<v Speaker 1>with appeals? We don't know, But for the time being,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of where things stand. And it makes me

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<v Speaker 1>think back to when the Biden administration tried to eliminate

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<v Speaker 1>and forgive student loan debt. The courts basically said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys don't have the legal authority to do this,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they attempted to find other legal means, like

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<v Speaker 1>get different basically legal footing to get the to pass

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<v Speaker 1>what they wanted to pass. Well, President Trump is likely

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<v Speaker 1>to do the same here. He might say, actually, the

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<v Speaker 1>statute I was using to try to institute tariffs on

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<v Speaker 1>other countries, well, I'm going to use this other statute

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<v Speaker 1>over here. Now it's okay, right as usual. It would

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<v Speaker 1>be great if Congress would do their job. This is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of one of a role that was especially built

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<v Speaker 1>for them that they seem to be abandoning. But for

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<v Speaker 1>the time being, tariff rates have been rolled back. Where

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<v Speaker 1>things go from here is anybody's guests. We will continue

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<v Speaker 1>in all likely next week on how to money tariff

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<v Speaker 1>talk I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right man.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So we briefly mentioned the MAGA accounts element

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<v Speaker 3>of the big beautiful bill that barely passed the House

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<v Speaker 3>last week.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason, or I would say, one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>there's so.

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<v Speaker 3>Much focus on this is because the tax cuts and

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<v Speaker 3>jobs at will sunset at the end of this year. That,

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<v Speaker 3>in addition to the fact that the GOP has rolled

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<v Speaker 3>all of their they put all their eggs in one basket,

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<v Speaker 3>all the hopes of streams. This one basket is the BBB.

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<v Speaker 3>But let's discuss a few of the other potential changes

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<v Speaker 3>that would impact your personal finances if it were to

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<v Speaker 3>pass the Senate and get signed into law, one of

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<v Speaker 3>which is that hsas could get even better doubling the

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<v Speaker 3>allowed annual contribution. If that remains, that's going to mean

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<v Speaker 3>you can funnel even more money into that triple tax

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<v Speaker 3>advantage account, which is fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think there was a change in the law

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<v Speaker 1>that basically said, oh, you can use your HSA for

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<v Speaker 1>more things in including a gym membership, which is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of cool. So HSA could be getting a heck of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot better soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Then it begs a question, Okay, well, what if you

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<v Speaker 3>decide to implement your own gym at your own house

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<v Speaker 3>and therefore by equipment. Maybe maybe child tax credits will

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<v Speaker 3>be bumped from two thousand to twenty five hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Per child, which makes you want to have more children.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a higher standard deduction for folks who are

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<v Speaker 3>sixty five and older, and the ev tax credit would

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<v Speaker 3>be repealed at the end of the year as well,

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<v Speaker 3>And there's of course plenty more that's included. But we

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<v Speaker 3>will continue to cover this as things move along or

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<v Speaker 3>not move along. Maybe as it gets sent back after

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<v Speaker 3>the Senate, perhaps makes makes some changes as way, but

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<v Speaker 3>we'll keep folks posted well.

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<v Speaker 1>Taxing different types of earnings differently is a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of the proposal too. It's right specif we like no

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<v Speaker 1>tax on tips and overtime pay. That's not something that

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<v Speaker 1>we love though, And I think the domino effect of

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<v Speaker 1>this getting baked into tax policy could have annoying, cascading consequences, right,

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<v Speaker 1>including more requests for tips. Think about if you are

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<v Speaker 1>an industry that thrives on tips, you're gonna want to

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<v Speaker 1>find a way to get customers to funnel even more

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<v Speaker 1>money in tips your way because they're tax free dollars

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<v Speaker 1>coming into your bank account. And so I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's just interesting that we're prioritizing or saying that different

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<v Speaker 1>ways you earn income will be taxed. Definitely, we already

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<v Speaker 1>say that to a small extent, but we'd be making

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<v Speaker 1>that an even wider gap. And I just I don't

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<v Speaker 1>love the precedent that sets. And on the tip tipping thing,

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<v Speaker 1>Americans already frustrated by the frequency of tip requests that

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<v Speaker 1>we experience in modern day modern days, right, and so

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<v Speaker 1>how people are going to react individually to being asked

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<v Speaker 1>for more tips and then for bigger tips. That's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be interesting to watch because I feel like we're

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<v Speaker 1>already experiencing a bit of a tipping rebellion happening right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I was buying a pizza the other night

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<v Speaker 1>and the check I was going to go pick it up,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not delivering it. And at check out they're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to do like a fifteen, twenty or

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five percent tip? And I was just shocked. That

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<v Speaker 1>felt pretty uncouth to even ask that when I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to pick the PiZZ up. It's different if you're delivering

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<v Speaker 1>it to me, and I think those are the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of things that a lot of Americas are just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of frustrated by with tipping culture right now, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's asking for a tip. That might only get worse

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<v Speaker 1>if the no tax on tips becomes a reality.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Big Beautiful Bill also is going to have

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<v Speaker 3>an impact on student loans as well. The new plan

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<v Speaker 3>would be to take the alphabet soup of repayment plans

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<v Speaker 3>down to just two, which I will say would make

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<v Speaker 3>it easier to understand, but also it's going to make

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<v Speaker 3>it a bit less generous, and so essentially the more

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<v Speaker 3>you borrow, the longer that you're going to have to

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<v Speaker 3>pay it back, up to twenty five years for folks

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<v Speaker 3>who are borrowing over one hundred thousand dollars, which we

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<v Speaker 3>would not recommend. By the way, the income based plan

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<v Speaker 3>ties your payment to a percentage of your income, so

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<v Speaker 3>basically a sliding scale that requires you to pay a

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<v Speaker 3>lot less if you make less. And the bill would

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<v Speaker 3>also eliminate subsidized student loans as well as forbearans and defferments,

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<v Speaker 3>which actually might not be necessary given the way the

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<v Speaker 3>income based plot and is structured. So it's not necessarily perfect,

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<v Speaker 3>but student loan plans will be easier to understand in

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<v Speaker 3>the way that the structured it could help tamp down

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<v Speaker 3>tuition inflation. Again, whether or not this remains as it

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<v Speaker 3>is currently written, after the Senate takes a look at it,

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<v Speaker 3>that's of course going to have an impact as to

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<v Speaker 3>the implementation of the new student loan rules moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Where the kind of state and local deduction thing will land.

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<v Speaker 1>That's another thing that's like a really important piece of

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<v Speaker 1>this legislation that's kind of being battled right now as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we'll keep our eyes on this, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is just fascinating to see that there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>changes that could really impact your finances and your taxes

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<v Speaker 1>in particular moving forward. So I'm sure we'll have more

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<v Speaker 1>discussions on this soon, Matt. We've got more to get

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<v Speaker 1>to on today's show, though. We're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the devaluation of credit card points, and then we're also

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about house swapping how that could make

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<v Speaker 1>your vacation a whole lot cheaper. We'll get to that

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<v Speaker 1>and more right after this.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, buddy, we are back from the break, and

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<v Speaker 3>now it is time for the ludicrous headline of the week,

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<v Speaker 3>and this one is from the site Miles to Memories.

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<v Speaker 3>The headline reads City thank You points will soon be

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<v Speaker 3>worth twenty five percent less Joel. The credit card companies

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<v Speaker 3>that giveth and they taketh away City points are being

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<v Speaker 3>devalued by twenty five percent beginning in August, which will

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<v Speaker 3>likely come as a big shock to folks who have

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<v Speaker 3>been accruing points via their city credit cards. So, first

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<v Speaker 3>of all, it's okay to be frustrated. This isn't something

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<v Speaker 3>that I like, I don't think like. For instance, like

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<v Speaker 3>when you're at the grocery store and you experience some shrinkflation,

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<v Speaker 3>it feels less egregious because you have a choice to

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<v Speaker 3>buy something else, right, You've got options, But deflating the

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<v Speaker 3>actual value of your points that you've accrued by a

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<v Speaker 3>meaningful amount feels a bit more like robbery.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like you have some other option of being like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>well you stay with us, and maybe we'll only devalue

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<v Speaker 3>it by fifteen percent or ten No, no, no, just

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<v Speaker 3>a twenty five percent cut cross the board. But just

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<v Speaker 3>know that you have a small window to use those

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<v Speaker 3>points at the current full value before that value gets slashed.

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<v Speaker 3>That's gonna be August twenty fourth, yet another date to

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<v Speaker 3>put on the calendar. It reminds me of subscriptions, right, like,

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<v Speaker 3>put it on the calendar. Know that this is something

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<v Speaker 3>you need to because right now you're listening. Maybe you're

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<v Speaker 3>sitting at a stoplight, right Brittany Chris, I know you're listening,

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<v Speaker 3>but you're not gonna dive into figuring all of this

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<v Speaker 3>out right there now, you know. But add it to

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<v Speaker 3>your calendar. Make sure this is something that you pay

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<v Speaker 3>attention to, because I would hate for folks to miss

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<v Speaker 3>out on some of the value that they are entitled

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<v Speaker 3>to overnight just because they miss it by a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of days.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you might have been using that card in

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<v Speaker 1>hopes of booking travel in the future, and you're like

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<v Speaker 1>just stashing the point, stashing the points so you can

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<v Speaker 1>plan an epic vacation and then for city to come

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<v Speaker 1>out and pull the rug from under you and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>h I mean, you're gonna have to have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more points now to get the vacation you'd hope for.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just a frustrating thing to experience. So booking sooner

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<v Speaker 1>than later is a good idea. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>City is not the only company doing this, I mean Hyatt.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier this year they shifted hotel tiers to make it

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<v Speaker 1>more expected to book with points at some of their properties,

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<v Speaker 1>and these point devaluations are becoming normalized. The CFPB, the

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<v Speaker 1>Consumer of Financial Production Bureau, I believe they're on life support.

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<v Speaker 1>They were poised to do something about this at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of twenty twenty four. They were basically saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>shot across the bow, credit card companies, you can't devalue

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<v Speaker 1>points like this, or we're going to come after you. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's unlikely to continue now because, like I said, the CFPB,

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<v Speaker 1>they are barely breathing, they're barely holding on, so they're

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<v Speaker 1>probably not going to actually see that through. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's important for folks to not overestimate the value of

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<v Speaker 1>their points and to just get about using them. The

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<v Speaker 1>more you hoard them, the less valuable they become over time.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, plan your fun trip asap. Let this be

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<v Speaker 1>an excuse to start using the points instead of just

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<v Speaker 1>holding on to them. And I think too, Matt, this

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<v Speaker 1>is actually maybe another change that people might want to

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<v Speaker 1>consider making is if travel rewards points are becoming less valuable.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes straight up two percent cash back cards more attractive. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't really have to think about it. And

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, if you're like, oh, yeah the travel points

0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.280
<v Speaker 1>game playing that has got me some sick deals, well

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<v Speaker 1>the if the deals are less sick, then cash back

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<v Speaker 1>credit cards just seem to make a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>sense these days.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think folks might be less interested in jumping

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<v Speaker 3>through all the different hoops in order to like the

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<v Speaker 3>five percent rotating category spend am u is it discover

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<v Speaker 3>But it kind of comes down to, I guess what

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<v Speaker 3>phase of life you're in, Because if you are in

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<v Speaker 3>the phase of life where you're looking to simplify your

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<v Speaker 3>finances in streamlines and things like, I'm all about finding

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<v Speaker 3>ways to optimize and get the best bang for your buck.

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<v Speaker 3>But beyond a certain point, it just feels like too much.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like if you were the kind of person

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<v Speaker 3>who wants to squeeze every last bit of toothpaste out

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<v Speaker 3>of the tube, I'm gonna squeeze it a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, but like, you know what, I've never done.

0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:56.520
<v Speaker 3>Have you ever cut the end of it off and

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<v Speaker 3>then like scraped out the toothpaste. I have You've seen

0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:02.040
<v Speaker 3>people do that hyperfergal friends. Yeah, And I'm just like, Okay,

0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.119
<v Speaker 3>maybe you can get like what two more days of

0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:05.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I guess it depends on how often

0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:10.560
<v Speaker 3>you I guess, but I'm like, I'm willing to give

0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:12.040
<v Speaker 3>it a little bit of a squeeze, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>willing to like go through the steps of cutting it.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what it feels like, some of these different

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<v Speaker 3>requirements and hoops that we have to jump through in

0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.440
<v Speaker 3>order to garner the mo ast benefit from these different

0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:24.040
<v Speaker 3>banks that they're asking of us. Speaking of actually Discover,

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<v Speaker 3>I saw that they're now part of Capital One. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't realize that, but someone in the how to Money

0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:32.320
<v Speaker 3>Facebook group mentioned that the only credit card that they

0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.760
<v Speaker 3>have are both Discover and Capital one cards.

0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Which are now essentially going to become the same institution.

0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:40.200
<v Speaker 1>We don't know how it's exactly going to shake you.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's necessarily going to impact anyone's credit per se,

0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:45.280
<v Speaker 3>but I think more importantly it just raises the question

0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:47.800
<v Speaker 3>of just, oh, what kind of cards have you been using?

0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.160
<v Speaker 3>Have you been garnering the kind of benefit from those

0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:53.320
<v Speaker 3>cards as opposed to just not questioning it. I think

0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.120
<v Speaker 3>there are just some simple changes that you can make

0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:57.399
<v Speaker 3>that will allow you to give the most bang for

0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:57.960
<v Speaker 3>your buck, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of those things is do I are

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<v Speaker 1>the only credit cards I have? Do they come from

0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:06.040
<v Speaker 1>one issuer? Because let's say you only use City cards, right, Well,

0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.320
<v Speaker 1>now you're like, well, man, City just did this thing

0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.199
<v Speaker 1>to my points and they're worthless. Man, I should have

0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:13.520
<v Speaker 1>been banking points with somebody else too, And the same

0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:16.280
<v Speaker 1>thing is true. If you only have Discover a Capital

0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:18.359
<v Speaker 1>one cards, you might want to say, oh, maybe I

0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:21.200
<v Speaker 1>should get a NAMEX card or a Chase card in addition,

0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.560
<v Speaker 1>so that I'm not wholly exposed to one credit card issue.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that would be a wise move for the

0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.040
<v Speaker 1>person that had money Facebook group that had that issue,

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<v Speaker 1>and for anybody else out there listening who has a

0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:32.320
<v Speaker 1>similar issue.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but no, I don't want folks to hear me

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<v Speaker 3>say like throw some shade at Discover and say that

0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:38.840
<v Speaker 3>like we don't like Discover, Like they're a great company,

0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:40.040
<v Speaker 3>and specifically.

0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Both of those banks. So I'm curious state to see

0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:43.959
<v Speaker 1>what it looks like for them to merge, because they

0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:45.720
<v Speaker 1>don't even really fully know yet.

0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.719
<v Speaker 3>But right right, my longest standing credit card that I've

0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.600
<v Speaker 3>ever had, and I'm talking like twenty or twenty five

0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.400
<v Speaker 3>years is with Discover and recently Angel I was playing

0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:54.879
<v Speaker 3>with some tools with I don't know if it was

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<v Speaker 3>with one of the credit rors or with one of

0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:58.639
<v Speaker 3>the scores that are provided by one of the credit

0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:00.960
<v Speaker 3>card companies, but they've got like this estimator, and it's

0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:03.280
<v Speaker 3>just like, hey, what happens if you were to get

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:04.800
<v Speaker 3>rid of this card, or were you to pay off

0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:07.040
<v Speaker 3>some reduce to the amount of spending or add in.

0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:09.639
<v Speaker 3>Of course they're wanting you to add a card next.

0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:11.720
<v Speaker 3>That way you can increase your overall amount. But I

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<v Speaker 3>was crazy shocked to see and this was just a simulator,

0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:17.399
<v Speaker 3>but I was really surprised to see that my longest

0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:19.320
<v Speaker 3>standing card where I had to nix, that they were

0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:21.320
<v Speaker 3>estimating that my score was only going to drop by

0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:23.600
<v Speaker 3>like two points, Wow, which I would have expected like

0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:24.440
<v Speaker 3>at least.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten times that at least like twenty points or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but yeah, it's probably because you have so many

0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:30.560
<v Speaker 1>other credit cards you've had for a long time too,

0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:31.439
<v Speaker 1>maybe I guess so.

0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:34.000
<v Speaker 3>But even still in my mind that one Discover card

0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:35.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, yeah, that's the one I've had since

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.680
<v Speaker 3>discover Capital one, Discover since I've had that I've had

0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:40.359
<v Speaker 3>since I was a teenager.

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<v Speaker 2>But evidently you wouldn't be wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Be that big of a disruptor to the overall credit score.

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<v Speaker 3>Just take that with a grain of salt, though.

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<v Speaker 1>Very interesting. Yeah, all right, let's talk housing, Matt. There's

0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:54.040
<v Speaker 1>a recent Redfin report and it highlighted just how much

0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:57.000
<v Speaker 1>more expensive it it is to buy a home than

0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:58.600
<v Speaker 1>it is to rent these days. And this is something

0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:01.679
<v Speaker 1>that we've been documenting over the past few years, in

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:05.320
<v Speaker 1>particular as housing prices have just gone through the roof.

0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:09.119
<v Speaker 1>But it's fascinating. I love seeing the data, Like, Okay,

0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 1>how bad is it actually? Well, buying a home now

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 1>requires fifty thousand dollars more in salary than renting. So essentially,

0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:20.919
<v Speaker 1>you need an annual income of around one hundred and

0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 1>sixteen thousand dollars to afford a mid priced home. That's

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:27.480
<v Speaker 1>roughly eighty two percent more than the sixty four thousand

0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:29.720
<v Speaker 1>dollars you'd need to be able to afford a mid

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.919
<v Speaker 1>price department. Quite the disparity, dramatic difference, right, and a

0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 1>bank Rade study also found that is cheaper to rent

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.119
<v Speaker 1>than buy in all fifty of the largest metro areas,

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:42.280
<v Speaker 1>So there's like not one metro area they found of

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:45.399
<v Speaker 1>the largest ones where it would be cheaper for you

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:47.680
<v Speaker 1>to buy than rent, and that was not the case

0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:50.080
<v Speaker 1>ten years ago. That was not the case ten years ago,

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:52.320
<v Speaker 1>which makes renting look pretty good, makes it look a

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:55.040
<v Speaker 1>whole lot better than it did a decade ago, and

0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:57.679
<v Speaker 1>more folks who would have bought a home in the past,

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:01.600
<v Speaker 1>they're just kind of getting zen with renting. Rich households

0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:04.960
<v Speaker 1>in particular, they're choosing to rent more than ever. This

0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:07.679
<v Speaker 1>was according to rent Cafe. You and I, we own

0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:09.960
<v Speaker 1>our homes. We're happy with our choice. We're also real

0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:14.480
<v Speaker 1>estate investors. But the case are renting, especially in today's economy,

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.680
<v Speaker 1>is a strong one. And the old adage that you're

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:20.879
<v Speaker 1>just throwing away money, it's just not true. That is

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 1>like one of those ingrained beliefs for a lot of people,

0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 1>renting equals throwing away money. And if there's one thing

0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:29.160
<v Speaker 1>that we can say, like we're not telling any individual

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:31.040
<v Speaker 1>renting is right for you or buying is right for you,

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:34.480
<v Speaker 1>it can be very circumstantial, but I just want to

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:39.200
<v Speaker 1>dispel the notion that people instinctively feel about renting being

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.040
<v Speaker 1>a really dumb financial move. That's just not true, and

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 1>it's especially not true right now.

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's definitely not true.

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:47.120
<v Speaker 3>Like, it's not true that you have to be oh,

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:49.400
<v Speaker 3>if you are renting an apartment you're broke, because there's

0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 3>actually been a rise in millionaire renters and there's a

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:54.720
<v Speaker 3>reason for that, right Yeah. So this is another article

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 3>we came across this week. We're seeing more luxury rentals

0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 3>that offer these fancy amenities, drawing in folks who have

0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:04.119
<v Speaker 3>high net worths who are renting. That coupled with the

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.760
<v Speaker 3>flexibility and the convenience that renting offers, as well as

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:08.240
<v Speaker 3>the fact that you don't have to save up a

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 3>massive down payment, dude, this means you can invest more

0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:14.080
<v Speaker 3>in the overall sod market instead of funneling it towards

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.360
<v Speaker 3>higher housing costs as well as maintenance and repairs that

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:23.160
<v Speaker 3>are oftentimes vastly underrated, underestimated, undersaved for. But a lot

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 3>of intentional renters and that's the key part, man, You

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:28.920
<v Speaker 3>got to be intentional about this. You can achieve greater

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:32.760
<v Speaker 3>levels of financial success than your home owning peers by

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.399
<v Speaker 3>pouring money into the market as opposed to pouring money

0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:36.600
<v Speaker 3>into your housing.

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Owning a home.

0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:38.679
<v Speaker 3>It can certainly be a great goal, but it's just

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:41.560
<v Speaker 3>not for everyone out there, and honestly, on the flip side,

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 3>it's not a guaranteed thing to continue. We're actually seeing

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 3>signs of softening in the.

0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Real estate market.

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:49.679
<v Speaker 3>The big real estate sites, they've been predicting a housing

0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 3>market swoon, which actually seems to be materializing.

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 2>So if you're a hopeful buyer, this is actually good

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:55.680
<v Speaker 2>news out there.

0:26:55.680 --> 0:27:01.000
<v Speaker 3>A small little anecdote, Jal just received my property tax

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:04.920
<v Speaker 3>bill assessment and I opened it expecting the worst, which

0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean, let's be honest, over the past few years,

0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 3>we've only seen increased housing prices increase, which means paying

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.200
<v Speaker 3>more to when it comes to property taxes.

0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:15.440
<v Speaker 4>And I did a little whoo because I saw our

0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 4>home value actually decrease. So nice, which I'm sure there's

0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 4>a lot of folks might who are listening and they're

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 4>just like, wait, Matt's taking crazy pills, Like what is

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 4>going on? But when you see an increase in the

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 4>what the city estimates your property to be, like, these

0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 4>are just paper gains right like this, that is not

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 4>an increase that you get to realize until it comes

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:36.919
<v Speaker 4>time for you to sell your house or unless you're

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 4>trying to pull some equity out of your home. But

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.239
<v Speaker 4>guess what you realize on a on a month by

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:44.240
<v Speaker 4>month basis the amount going towards ESCO in order to

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 4>save up for your tax bill.

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>So this is again is a silver lining for It's a.

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:51.360
<v Speaker 3>Small silver lining, and this is anecdotal, but we are

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 3>seeing this in more metros across the country.

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 1>I was just talking to my sister who is moving

0:27:57.080 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>to another city, and she was there looking at place

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.600
<v Speaker 1>is to rent. They've been renters, they're happy being renters,

0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:05.679
<v Speaker 1>and there was a condo that they actually ended up

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:08.359
<v Speaker 1>settling on, and the price that they're paying for the

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:12.920
<v Speaker 1>condo was like a lot less than what they would

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 1>pay to buy a similar sized unit in that complex.

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>So it's just fascinating to see the person who's renting

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:21.399
<v Speaker 1>it out they bought it not that long ago, and

0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:23.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, they're going to be losing money every single

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 1>month by renting this apartment to them. They must have

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:30.359
<v Speaker 1>no other choice. It's just interesting that renters can make

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:32.440
<v Speaker 1>out like bandits here so I don't even know what

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:34.560
<v Speaker 1>the hoafee would be, but like that's included in the

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>rent that they pay, So there's like substantial savings to

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 1>be a renter, and then they can do a lot

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 1>with that excess cash, right, do smart stuff with that money,

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 1>investing for their future instead of putting more and more money.

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Because what buying is the only way you build, you know,

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 1>you build a high net worth. Well that's just not true,

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's less true than it was ten years ago too.

0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Like buying a house can make sense based on your

0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>specific circumstances, your specific goals, but you just have to

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 1>run the numbers and you have to know the trade

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 1>offs because for most people right now, continuing to rent

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>can make a lot of financial sense.

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do think though the trick is being intentional

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 3>about it. And folks who by defaults have kept their

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 3>savings rate pretty minimal, whether it's just you know, a

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 3>four one k at work or investing in addition to

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 3>what it is that their workplace is offering, realizing that

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 3>they don't have a default amount going towards the building

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 3>up of home quite right, Like there's almost there's like

0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 3>a mental switch that maybe has been taking place right

0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:29.880
<v Speaker 3>just with the given the democratization of investing, the ability

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 3>for folks to do that more on their own, on

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 3>their own terms, where it feels a little more accessible

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 3>as opposed to it feeling like something that was kind

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 3>of out of their reach. When it's like the things

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.040
<v Speaker 3>have switched essentially right, Like like back in the day,

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 3>it felt like home ownership was a bit more attainable,

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 3>and investing aggressively in the market felt like something that

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 3>that really only the one percent did. But now it's

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 3>almost like the opposite where where it's like, oh no, no,

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 3>everybody can invest, even just with like the spare change

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 3>in your in your pocket, but you bought.

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>A home, like exactly must be independently will do that, Yeah,

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>exactly so. But I do think think that those tides

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>are going to turn. This isn't this disparity will not

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 1>last forever.

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 2>I totally agree. Yeah, I don't think this is a

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 2>permanent change, Joe.

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 3>While we're talking about housing, we are certainly fans of

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 3>using Airbnb while you're traveling, but there are other ways

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:15.640
<v Speaker 3>to get a cool place when you are taking a

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 3>big trip, and that is by partaking in a house

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 3>swap I'll the holiday with Jack Black and oh yeah.

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 1>This is for some reason making me think of I

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 1>think it was a Fox TV show wife swap, which

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 1>one mom would go to another house and vice versa,

0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 1>and then you would see how the family acted, and uh,

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 1>that's reality TV at its finest.

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Sounds like it was one of your favorites that you're

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 2>t voing.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't describe it accurately, but just go look up

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<v Speaker 1>King Curtis on YouTube. I think that it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite clips from television history. Is that an actual

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was from white Swap and this young

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<v Speaker 1>kid did not like the new mom was in the

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<v Speaker 1>South that week, and the way you reacted was television gold.

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<v Speaker 2>I might have to look it up.

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<v Speaker 3>But we're talking about house swapping. Yeah, not why swapping.

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<v Speaker 3>These platforms are growing as a way to allow folks

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<v Speaker 3>to travel for less. So obviously instead of buying nights,

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<v Speaker 3>you are essentially bartering your exchanging nights at your own

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<v Speaker 3>place and the different sites out there. Of course you

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<v Speaker 3>got them kind of hip sounding ones like Kindred, which

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<v Speaker 3>sounds super bouge what I was reading about that one.

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<v Speaker 3>But swap house is one home exchange that's another one

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<v Speaker 3>these platforms. These sites, they allow you to offer your

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<v Speaker 3>place up when you are out of town to earn

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<v Speaker 3>nights that you can use on the platform in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>On one hand, I don't like it, Joel, because it

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<v Speaker 3>is an inefficient exchange of value, right, like it's an

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<v Speaker 3>inefficient market. It kind of makes me think of gift cards,

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<v Speaker 3>like why would you do this intermediary sort of step.

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<v Speaker 3>It makes me think of timeshares almost right, like like

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<v Speaker 3>you are handcuffed to this thing. But I do think

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<v Speaker 3>it makes more sense in different markets where they're starting

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<v Speaker 3>to crack down more on airbnbs, where they're imposing more

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<v Speaker 3>strict regulations like up in New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>Spain even banned them all together, didn't they.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if they band them all completely outright,

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<v Speaker 3>but they are really cracking down because they're winning because

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<v Speaker 3>and I get it, like these towns they're starting to

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<v Speaker 3>lose the charm that made them what they wear when

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<v Speaker 3>they're just inundated by tours. And so from that standpoint,

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<v Speaker 3>it makes sense as a creative workaround.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know, Man, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Dollar cash, the universal exchange store of value, the ability to.

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<v Speaker 1>Use that I'm still more of a fan of I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Still I like bartering renting. I like barnering,

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<v Speaker 1>so I like the way these sites, what these sites

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to do. And one of the other things

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<v Speaker 1>that they note on there is that they're not reducing

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<v Speaker 1>housing supply in local places because you're just swapping, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there isn't like this unit that's being taken

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<v Speaker 1>offline to be fully dedicated to full time short rental use,

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<v Speaker 1>which is interesting. But there are other sites too. Met

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<v Speaker 1>maybe think of this one called Trusted House Sitters, which

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<v Speaker 1>has been around for a long time too. Yeh, go

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<v Speaker 1>walk a dog, right, Yeah, Like, if you're a pet

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<v Speaker 1>lover and you don't necessarily want to give up your home,

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<v Speaker 1>you can just go stay at somebody's home for free

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<v Speaker 1>if you agree to take care of their pets. I

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<v Speaker 1>have done this before, not on not via this website,

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<v Speaker 1>but I remember doing this, like when I was a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty young fella for a family when they were out

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<v Speaker 1>of town their rabbit died. I felt really bad about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get paid afterwards, but so yeah, yeah, make

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<v Speaker 1>sure check your home insurance to make sure you're covered

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<v Speaker 1>before you do a home swap like this, but those

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<v Speaker 1>sites can be a cool way to maybe like help

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<v Speaker 1>you find an interesting location you weren't planning on visiting,

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<v Speaker 1>or to find a free or cheap way to go

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<v Speaker 1>abroad while keeping your budget like within reason. Right when

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<v Speaker 1>at this point it feels like airfare is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the is less obtrusive, less of a cost, then where

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<v Speaker 1>are you going to stay? Like that's a more that's

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest cost now of most trips.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, Yeah, man, I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Maddie, that's gonna do it. For this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>we will link to some of the resources we mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>in the show notes up on our website at how

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<v Speaker 1>toomoney dot com. But until next time, best Friends Out,

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<v Speaker 1>Best Friends Out,