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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the white Tail Woods presented by first Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light,

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the.

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Speaker 2: Wired to Hunt podcast.

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Speaker 3: This week on the show, I'm joined by Eric Clark

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Speaker 3: and Derek Melcorp of the Okayist Hunter podcast to discuss

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Speaker 3: ten simple steps to follow to become a happier and

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Speaker 3: more satisfied deer hunter. All right, welcome back to the

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Speaker 3: Wired Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light and

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Speaker 3: their Camo for Conservation initiative, and today we are talking

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Speaker 3: through the ten simple steps or the ten commandments to

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Speaker 3: follow to become a happier deer hunter. I think this

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Speaker 3: is the perfect conversation to have right now, with just

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Speaker 3: about one third of our hunting season left ahead of us.

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Speaker 3: If you are disappointed with how your season has been

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Speaker 3: going so far, if you have not had the success

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Speaker 3: hoped for, if you have not been as satisfied and

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Speaker 3: full of joy and fun as you were hoping this

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Speaker 3: season would be today's chap, I think will be exactly

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Speaker 3: what you need, because this conversation is all about recentering ourselves,

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Speaker 3: getting back to understanding the why behind our hunting. Why

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Speaker 3: are we out there, why do we come to this,

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Speaker 3: Why did we fall in love with hunting? And are

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Speaker 3: we thinking about that when we go out there.

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Speaker 3: That's what I want us to consider today, because I

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Speaker 3: do think in our twenty first century, modern day deer

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Speaker 3: hunting culture, it's very easy to get sucked into these

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Speaker 3: other things, to become obsessed with somebody else's goals or expectations.

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Speaker 3: I think that we have to do what everybody else

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Speaker 3: if we don't, we'll be a failure, or whatever that

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Speaker 3: version might be for yourself. There's many ways that deer

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Speaker 3: hunting today can lose the fun. It can become something

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Speaker 3: that was not what you originally came to when you

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Speaker 3: first became a deer hunter. That's a story that I've

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Speaker 3: told many of you over the years as I have

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Speaker 3: kind of seen this happen in my own life. And

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Speaker 3: today I want to chat with two guys that have

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Speaker 3: done a great job of speaking about this on their

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Speaker 3: own platform, the okayst Hunter Podcast, which is all about

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Speaker 3: kind of trying to recenter hunters on.

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Speaker 2: Sharing the hunt.

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Speaker 3: With the people you care about, not judging other people

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Speaker 3: hunting your own hunt, doing this because it's fun, having

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Speaker 3: fun with it, enjoying it with those people you care about.

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Speaker 3: All the stuff that I think is what brought so

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Speaker 2: All that is what I.

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Speaker 3: Think is what ultimately was why we all got into

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Speaker 3: of that maybe amidst social media and TV and YouTube

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Speaker 3: So today Derek and Eric are going to help me

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Speaker 3: follow up a conversation that we started three years ago.

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Speaker 3: We first had these guys in the show three years

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Speaker 3: ago to start talking through this journey that we've all

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Speaker 3: been on, and today I wanted to revisit it, explore

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Speaker 3: maybe where we are as a culture now. Have things

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Speaker 3: changed it all since twenty twenty two? Are things getting better?

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Speaker 2: Also? Then with that said, what does that mean for

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Speaker 2: the future? What can we do now to make the

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Speaker 2: best of the twenty twenty five season or whatever? Year

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Speaker 3: If you are in a kind of a bad state

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Speaker 3: of affairs, if you're bummed out about your season, this

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Speaker 3: conversation I think should help you flip the switch. Remember

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Speaker 3: why we got into this, remember what's actually important, and

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Speaker 3: these ten steps that Derek and Eric are going to

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Speaker 3: walk us through, I think can help you become a

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Speaker 3: happier and more satisfied hunter without a doubt this season.

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Speaker 2: Before it's all said.

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Speaker 3: Done so, without any further ado, let's get to my

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Speaker 2: Hope you enjoy it all right with me?

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Speaker 3: Now on the line is Eric Clark and Derek melcor

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 4: Thanks thanks for welcoming us back.

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Speaker 2: It's my pleasure.

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Speaker 3: As we were talking about before we started recording, this

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Speaker 3: I think when we had that chat, I was just

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Speaker 2: I think about why I.

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Speaker 3: Hunt and how I hunt and what it means to

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Speaker 3: me and I'd been going over that over a couple

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Speaker 3: the three years since that transformation of so has continued.

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Speaker 3: And so it seemed like three years since that point

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Speaker 3: now after we had this really good chat about maybe

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Speaker 3: you guys have been pushing forward with the okayist hunter,

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Speaker 3: I want to revisit it. And I wanted to see,

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Speaker 3: about how maybe your own thoughts have changed, about how

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Speaker 3: maybe the culture of hunting has possibly changed in those years.

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Speaker 3: And then I wanted to review what we had kind

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Speaker 3: And I've kind of thought about that this could almost

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Speaker 3: stand as like the ten commandments of being a fun hunter, almost,

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Speaker 3: or a deer hunter that has a fun season.

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Speaker 2: Something like that.

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Speaker 3: You could you could zoom out a little bit and

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Speaker 3: have it apply to it to a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: So all that said, I'm glad you're here.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing that thing where I ramble, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: read you one more thing, and I'm gonna let you

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Speaker 3: guys talk. Your stated mission on your website says, our

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Speaker 3: mission is to put an end to deer and buck

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Speaker 3: shaming and make it okay to hunt, how you hunt,

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Speaker 3: and for whatever you hunt for. It's not about the

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Speaker 3: most miles hiked, the biggest buck, or the latest gear.

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Speaker 3: We believe hunting is about having fun and making everlasting memories.

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Speaker 3: Hunt for fun, not trophies, make everlasting mad make everlasting memories,

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Speaker 3: and make the best use of what you have. Does

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Speaker 3: that mission still stand now? Do you guys still feel

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Speaker 3: like that is the most important thing for you guys

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Speaker 3: different things you do. Does that still because I know

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean I don't have to think of it at all.

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Speaker 4: we are continuing to do. I'm like a little surprised actually,

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Speaker 4: Dress Blues and Marine Corps. They're the only ones in

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Speaker 4: all of the DoD the Armed Services that haven't changed

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Speaker 4: their uniform and everyone else is going through rebranding every

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Speaker 4: four years. Like, we're doing what we said we're going

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Speaker 4: to do and we're staying the course. And that's hard

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Speaker 4: to do when your counterculture brand in the market might

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Speaker 4: not respond right away. It makes you wonder, like, are

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Speaker 4: be listening to them? Reading Ryan Holliday's latest book, Wisdom

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Speaker 4: Takes Work, I'm like, boy, I hope that I'm in

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Speaker 4: a way that opens my mind to the holistic thing.

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Speaker 4: And I hope we don't have a negative impact, we

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Speaker 4: have a positive one. And I think the messages that

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Speaker 5: I think about it, It's almost like maybe we're in

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Speaker 5: popular culture of hunting and whatnot, and you talk about

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Speaker 5: like to keep doing the coolest, most hardcore thing. Like

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Speaker 5: he's constantly, constantly, constantly updating. It's hard to stay at

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Speaker 5: like the slow and steady lane. And I think that's

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Speaker 5: what the mission that you described all those years ago

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Speaker 5: something like that, that principle stands the ground and stands

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Speaker 5: through time. And I think that's what we're seeing now

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Speaker 4: Then you have to say something several times, several different ways,

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Speaker 4: Like every day we post on the internet, like I'm

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Speaker 4: just saying the same stuff. And you know, for someone

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Speaker 4: who's followed Gary Vaynerchuck for his career, it's like he's

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Speaker 4: but it's continuously relevant and sometimes as humans we need

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Speaker 4: times to finally like seep in and go oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: still saying the same stuff. That's great. They're staying true,

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Speaker 3: So, I know we talked about this back in twenty

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Speaker 3: I want to at least kind of set the groundwork

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Speaker 3: Can you paint a picture for me, Eric of what

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Speaker 3: led you to want to share this counterculture message of sorts,

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Speaker 3: Like what what's the diagnosis of the problem that led

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Speaker 2: Can you kind of restate that for us?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would now put that problem into

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Speaker 4: the umbrella of ego sleep. However, I didn't know that

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Speaker 4: a dophon. It was my first boat kill ever, right

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Speaker 4: when my daughter was born in twenty seventeen, and this

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Speaker 4: in fact, I was just in the archives of my

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Speaker 4: other iterations of naming, concepts, logo ideation that had gone

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Speaker 4: like kind of went forth. But it was that it

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Speaker 4: proud of because to me, it was a big deal

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Speaker 4: and it was from the ground. It was like ten

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Speaker 4: dad was there. That's always a moniker for me and

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Speaker 4: in no world did my dad shame me for that,

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Speaker 4: Like he's like, you did it. You got your first

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Speaker 5: direction of just kindness and people being a little bit

437
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 5: more understanding and maybe being able to bite their tongue

438
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 5: a little bit more. But it's hard to say because

439
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 5: you have a lot on the other side of the

440
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 5: fence too that you see a lot of the other also.

441
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 4: Well, Mark, I have a question for you because my

442
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 4: concern is like I'm not trying to create this Kumbaya

443
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 4: moment where we're just sheltering people and making it all

444
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 4: kumbay ah positivity.

445
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 3: Rara.

446
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 4: I do think it's hard to make positivity louder than

447
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 4: negativity because though the negative is like one percent or less,

448
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 4: it's what sticks out, and it's what sticks in your

449
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 4: mind and memory. When you have that, you can have

450
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 4: twenty five people say congratulations, good job, great, great buck,

451
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 4: the one person that said something crappy, that's the one

452
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 4: damn thing that you remember, ye, And so then that

453
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 4: becomes this like really loud voice in your head, and

454
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 4: that's frustrating. So we're just kind of drown that out

455
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 4: as much as we possibly can and not doing it

456
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 4: in such a way that we are becoming like this

457
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 4: like ooh, you can't say naughty things here. That's not

458
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 4: the point. There's a sensibility, a sensibility to it, and.

459
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 5: Another thing that so you can speak to this more.

460
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 5: But like with the logo and everything, like what you've

461
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 5: been preaching is not like some people see the logo

462
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 5: the little ailer like oh man, these guys just want

463
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 5: you to shoot little bucks, Like just okay to shoot

464
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 5: little bucks, but like that's not what your mission was.

465
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 5: Your mission ones just like hunt your hunt. And if

466
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 5: this is what's the trophy to you, that's fine. Other

467
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 5: people don't have to open their mouth about it.

468
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the logo is meant to be the memories

469
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 4: are greater than the inches, Like it's a small logo

470
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 4: because the hunt means more than that, and it said really,

471
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 4: I think they're to piece together. But the question for you,

472
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 4: Mark is like you're deeply embedded in the industry, working

473
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 4: with some of the largest brands, and you're part of

474
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 4: one of the largest brands, So I don't I wonder

475
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 4: what you're hearing about this kind of undertone, undercurrent of

476
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 4: like we're getting tired of it, you know, of the

477
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 4: ego of the.

478
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm six one way, half dozen the other.

479
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: Because on one hand, I definitely see and feel what

480
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 3: you guys are talking about, what I'm talking about, what

481
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 3: I'm hearing from more and more of my friends. But

482
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,479
Speaker 3: there is a little bit of that like bias of

483
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 3: like that is the phase of life we're in, So

484
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 3: how much of this is just like, Hey, we're all

485
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 3: becoming young parents, we're all having this perspective shift. We're

486
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 3: all kind of realizing there's things more important than a

487
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 3: big giant buck, because we have kids, because we're reaching

488
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 3: middle age. So is my sample sized bias. Because of that,

489
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 3: one part of me thinks like, hey, I'm hearing this

490
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: a lot, and maybe it's a growing trend. People are

491
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 3: finally realizing that we don't have to be a holes.

492
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 3: We don't all have to kill giant bucks. It's not

493
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 3: the end all, be all, et cetera. But on the

494
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: flip side, social media can sometimes act as a lens

495
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 3: of how we believe the world to be. And when

496
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 3: I look at social media, if I were to answer

497
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: this question based on that, I would say it's getting worse.

498
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: And I think that's in many ways because social media

499
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 3: rewards the worst of all these things, right. Social media

500
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 3: rewards it rewards sensationalism, it rewards trolling, It rewards you know, me,

501
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 3: me me me me you suck or me me me

502
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 3: me me right. And so you see more and more

503
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 3: people I feel like, whether they are willing to admit

504
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 3: it or not, a lot of their a lot of

505
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 3: their hunting is influenced by what other people are going

506
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 3: to think about how big a deer I kill, or

507
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 3: whether or not I killed to do this year, or

508
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 3: how many pictures I post this year, this thing or

509
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 3: that thing, or trying to get more likes or more

510
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 3: subscribers or more whatever. Everybody is their own personal brand.

511
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: Everybody has something they're trying to sell or get you

512
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 3: to do.

513
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 2: And I say all.

514
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 3: This obviously hypocritically, because I am doing that too, by

515
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: asking people to follow my stuff and watch my content

516
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 3: all of that stuff. But if that's taken too far,

517
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 3: and if that's taken to where everyone's trying to do that,

518
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: then it becomes this, this this mess of people doing

519
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 3: things for the wrong reasons and then ultimately being miserable

520
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 3: because of it, and everyone trying to like performatively make

521
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 3: it look like they're having the time of their lives

522
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: when deep down inside of them it's hollow.

523
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: I think that's happening. I certainly had that experience.

524
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 4: Feel so the movie Groundhog's Day or in the beginning,

525
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 4: Bill Murray just starts to do all of the dumbest, funnest,

526
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 4: craziest stuff and then eventually tires them out. And I

527
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 4: think about that, like, if I could just kill and

528
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 4: hunt big Bucks all day, every day, all the time

529
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 4: for the next twenty years. At some point am I

530
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 4: gonna am I gonna be satiated from that? I mean

531
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 4: maybe like maybe the oh man, let's describe someone's dream,

532
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 4: you know, But at some point it's like, isn't there

533
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 4: more to this? Isn't there more about the camaraderie, the

534
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 4: shared experience, the memory, the dragging out together, the joking,

535
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 4: the the you know, the mishaps, Like, isn't there more

536
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 4: the meat, the food around the table, the gathering like

537
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 4: and none of that comes from big antlers. I just

538
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 4: don't know that. I'm gonna remember the backstrapped for the

539
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 4: antlers come my deathbed. That's just that all is gonna

540
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 4: get stripped away, and I'm gonna remember what's gonna stand

541
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 4: out when it all gets eroded or distilled. Is gonna

542
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 4: be the people like Derek or Greg or my dad

543
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 4: or my kids. Like That's what I think is important.

544
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 4: So I have a really really tough time lately with

545
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 4: people just trying to dog us on stuff like that.

546
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, I feel like you're not he seen

547
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: the forest or the trees or that. I always get

548
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 4: that one backwards. But I think you get the idea.

549
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, there, you get it.

550
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: So I had a friend called me the other day,

551
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: good friend who is all ate up with deer hunting.

552
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 3: He's been a longtime friend and you know, listens to

553
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: all the podcasts and reads all the articles, and for

554
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: years and years and years now he's tried to be

555
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 3: a better deer hunter, tries to be a great deer hunter.

556
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: And he texted me the other day, say, hey, Mark,

557
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 3: do you have Do you have a couple of minutes

558
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 3: to chat. I'm having a little bit of a crisis

559
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: and I just got to run and by you.

560
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: So I give him a call.

561
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 3: And he starts laying out for fifteen minutes, discussed all

562
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: the ways his deer hunting season went wrong, how the

563
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: neighbors did this, how this thing went wrong, how he

564
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: doesn't have enough property, how he doesn't understand he had

565
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 3: six different mature bucks and this thing and that thing,

566
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: and how X, Y and Z all had you know,

567
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: made him not have success this year, and he didn't

568
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: know where to go or what to do, or why

569
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: can't I kill mature buck? And why haven't I been

570
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: able to do this? And what am I doing wrong?

571
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 3: And so on and so forth. And finally I stopped him.

572
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: I said, buddy, I don't think this is what you

573
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 3: want to hear. But my answer is not going to

574
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: be anything tactical. It's not going to be anything about

575
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 3: where you should sit or how you should change your strategy.

576
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: I think you need to really take some time and

577
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 3: reflect about why you are hunting and what you are

578
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: trying to get out of this and why you came

579
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: to it in the beginning. And so I asked him

580
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 3: some questions, like why did you start to hunt?

581
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 2: What brings you joy?

582
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: Now what you just described to me the last few

583
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: weeks of hunting, did that bring you joy?

584
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: Did that bring you happiness? Did that satisfy you?

585
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: And what it came down to is is the more

586
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: I think about this, and this is what I shared

587
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: with him, the more I realized that this whole hunting

588
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 3: thing is incredibly stupid. It's incredibly meaningless and selfish and

589
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: unimportant to the rest of the world unless it is

590
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: bringing you joy, satisfaction, connecting you to your family members

591
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: and friends, bringing something good into this world. But whether

592
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 3: or not you kill one hundred and seven inch buck

593
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: or not does not matter. It does not make the

594
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 3: world a better place, if it's taking you away from

595
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 3: your friends and family, if it's taking you away from

596
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: things that are core to what does truly matter, and

597
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: if it's all of those things also making you miserable

598
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: and stressing you out and keeping you from being able

599
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: to sleep at night, and you're doing all of this

600
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: because you feel you have to prove yourself to somebody else.

601
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: If that's what's happening, this is a horrible waste of

602
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 3: your time, and you got to rethink about how to

603
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: actually make this a worthwhile part of your life. And

604
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 3: what it came down to is that you'd lost sight

605
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,479
Speaker 3: of all that, and I had too over the years, right,

606
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: And I think there's a lot of other people out there,

607
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: And so that's why, in a long, rambling kind of

608
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 3: roundabout way, I wanted to talk about this right now

609
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: here at the beginning of December, because we're, you know,

610
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: for most people, we're probably about two thirds of the

611
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: way through the hunting season, right we're in that back

612
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: half or the back quarter or the back third of

613
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 3: the year. We're quickly running on time to make something

614
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 3: out of this hunting season for a lot of people.

615
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 3: And I gotta believe there's some folks out there who

616
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: didn't kill their big buck, or who have been totally

617
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: stressed out, or who are still obsessed in trying to

618
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 3: figure out some way to salvage the season and have

619
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 3: that big one for Instagram or whatever.

620
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: There's people out.

621
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: There who are thinking, like, man, this season sucked or

622
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: this season was stressful, or how come I don't feel

623
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: good about this? Or why aren't I having fun anymore?

624
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: Why is this not what it used to be? Or

625
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: when I wish I could go back to the way

626
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: it was when I was eighteen and going in the

627
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: woods and so excited every time I went, And now

628
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: I feel obligated to go out there, and then the

629
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: whole time I'm just bitching and moaning about how there's

630
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: another spike or there's another four kyn, there's no big

631
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: deer here, and you know, et cetera, et cetera. So

632
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: what I want to do, what I want to ask

633
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: you guys to help me with, is to lay out

634
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: some simple steps for how people can like save their

635
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: season and not save their season, Like how you know

636
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: the tactics you need to kill a big giant buck,

637
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: but how to reclaim the satisfaction and the joy and

638
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: the the real reason we hunt, which I think is

639
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: kind of what we achieved when I when we've talked

640
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago about the ten commandments of

641
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: this side of hunting. So, would you guys be game

642
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: to talk through the ten commandments or the eleven commandments?

643
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: I think is what you guys settled on. The eleven

644
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 3: commandments of you know, being a quote unquote okayst hunter,

645
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: or eleven commandments of having a fun deer hunting season,

646
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: so that you know, this last month of the season

647
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: or five weeks or six weeks or whatever it is

648
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: you have, folks can try to make these types of changes.

649
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: Does that sound like a plan that we could walk through.

650
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think it's a worthwhile plan. And

651
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 4: I before we go into that plan, I don't want

652
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,239
Speaker 4: to discourage anyone from achieving their goals either, Like, oh,

653
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 4: for sure, it is important if you do have a

654
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 4: goal to see it through because it's not always gonna

655
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 4: be candy bars and lightpops, and it's gonna feel frustrating,

656
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 4: and that is kind of part of it. And I

657
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 4: will say even like chopping it up with a buddy,

658
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 4: like your buddy had reached out to you, like talking

659
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 4: about all the strategy and he's kind of looking for

660
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 4: something very different when you'd offered but that didn't have itself.

661
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 4: That like the number of times I called Derek and

662
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 4: hunting season is exponentially greater than when it's not hunting

663
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 4: season because he's my go to guy and I enjoy

664
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 4: that banter. It's less as much as it's about the

665
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 4: deer at some point that conversationally matters so much because

666
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: I get in the ground, I always mess it up anyways.

667
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 4: It's more about the chopping it up sparring that happens

668
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 4: that I thoroughly enjoy. It's that time of year when

669
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 4: it I think we need atle bit closer. But I

670
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 4: do want to say, like, don't be afraid to move

671
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 4: backwards as much as you want to hit your goals.

672
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 4: And I recently talked about this, but any good boxing

673
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: movie with like Rocky as an example, there's always somebody

674
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 4: that beats the piss out of him and he gets

675
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 4: his world. His world crumbles because his identity is so

676
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 4: wrapped up in being the champ that if he's not

677
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 4: the champ, then who is he? And then there's the

678
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 4: Rocky moment did it and he like comes back And

679
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 4: sometimes you got to get knocked down to appreciate the

680
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 4: journey back, and you'll come back even stronger. So this

681
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 4: might be the season you're getting knocked down right now.

682
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 4: But just like Ricky Bobby, you know, got in a

683
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 4: car crash and eventually ran on the track in his

684
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 4: underwear screaming help me. Whoever it was, Oprah, I don't know,

685
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 4: Tom Cruise, Like, you can have your help meet Tom

686
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 4: Cruise moment in your underwear freaking out in the marsh.

687
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 4: But at some point you might get back in the

688
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 4: car with the cougar and and find yourself again. Like,

689
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 4: but your identity doesn't have to be wrapped up in

690
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 4: being the big buck killer getting a big one every year,

691
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 4: or bigger one every year. They're being this guy. It's

692
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: okay to move backwards a little bit, to find your

693
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 4: footing so you can go fast.

694
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to your point, like, there's nothing inherently wrong

695
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: with trying to chase one of these goals and going

696
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: hard on it, right, That's that's not the point I'm

697
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: trying to make either. It's it's if you if doing

698
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: that is sucking the life and the joy out of it.

699
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: If you're doing it and every day you are sighted

700
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: and you're like this is what fills me up, Like

701
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: this is it?

702
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 2: Then go for it, buddy.

703
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 3: But I think it's the people who are doing it

704
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: and then in the back of their mind are hating

705
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 3: it though.

706
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: I think the back of their mind feeling go ahead, Derek.

707
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, those same that same mentality that you're talking about now.

708
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 5: Like if you if you've been out the last ten

709
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 5: mornings and you're so fixated on your end goal like

710
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 5: killing this buck, killing this buck that you've like forgot

711
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 5: to sit and like look at the sunrise and be like,

712
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 5: holy shit, I am lucky for being out here. Yeah,

713
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 5: if you haven't been able to do that on the

714
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 5: last couple, like you just need to reset your mind, right,

715
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 5: Like what what you're doing out there? Exactly what Mark

716
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 5: said before, Like what are you trying to get out

717
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 5: of this? If you enjoy your time? Are you trying

718
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 5: to be stressed? As how? With one goal and that's

719
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 5: the end all, be all? And and Eric knows me,

720
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 5: and like I set goals and I have things that

721
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 5: I like to do in the deal, but man, I

722
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 5: enjoy every step of it. And like that's that's the

723
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 5: first step is like, don't take your tough self too seriously.

724
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 5: Enjoy the moment you have and like, those are moments

725
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 5: away from your responsibilities for some of us are families

726
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 5: like you better enjoy them. You're freaking coming back more

727
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 5: pissed off than you were when you left you. That's

728
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 5: not good for anybody.

729
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: No, no, that's lose lose. So so you you mentioned

730
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 3: commandment number one. Number one you mentioned was don't take

731
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: yourself too seriously. Can you expand a little bit on that?

732
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 3: Why that's important? What you guys mean by that? You

733
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 3: know what what that might look like in a hunting season.

734
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 4: I think you's had to be a human you can

735
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 4: take the hunt seriously, then you should do. You have

736
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 4: to respect the animal in the game, and there's ethics

737
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 4: involved in that, and I'm kind of mention that, but

738
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 4: I don't know. You gotta be able to laugh at

739
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: yourself and like I mean, I'll literally laugh out loud

740
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 4: when something gets tripped. I had to jump out of

741
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 4: a tree this year. Not great, not a good moment.

742
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 4: What was funny is I have to be unknown, unknown

743
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 4: to me because I messed up with Derek said classic

744
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 4: his trail camels right below me. So I'm like, dude,

745
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 4: when you pull that footage, you're gonna see some guy

746
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 4: falling out of the sky. And I laughed, thinking that

747
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 4: that's going to be something that comes to life.

748
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 5: How that happens. I think that's something that probably other

749
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 5: people happened.

750
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 4: And I got up at three in the morning. I

751
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 4: drove this horrendous I drove the spot, went through this

752
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 4: horrendous marsh. I put waiters on, cross some nasty stuff.

753
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 4: Took the waiters off, and I crossed the nasty stuff.

754
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: I had boots around my neck. I put my boots on.

755
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 4: I get all the way out into this Dude, it

756
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 4: is just disgusting. And this is the spot that Derek

757
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 4: told me to go to. So I'm like, all right, Derek,

758
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 4: I'm a badass too. I can do it. And I

759
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 4: get out there. I climb this tree. I get uncomfortably

760
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 4: high in this tree. I'm like four and a half

761
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 4: five sticks high, and uh, it's skinny and it's windy,

762
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 4: and I'm like, my god, I'm gonna get sea sickness

763
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 4: up here. But as I'm towing my bow up it

764
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 4: and it got stuck on the bottom two sticks, and

765
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 4: I'm like, I really have to climb down and deal

766
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 4: with this, like I do get so much, it's worse.

767
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, I can get it. I can get it.

768
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 4: Watch me like break some back. No, I came loose, Okay,

769
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 4: I just kept trying to reset it. I got my

770
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 4: bow up there, and I'm like, well, those two sticks

771
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 4: are screwed. We'll solve that problem later because there's no choice.

772
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 4: There's only one way to go. We'll cross that bridge later.

773
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: We'll step on those sticks later. I get down, those

774
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 4: two sticks are not reachable no matter what I do.

775
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 4: Now there it's an eight or and a stick and

776
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: a stick. So I'm like probably ten feet My feet

777
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 4: are ten feet off the ground, and I'm like, okay,

778
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 4: I have my linemen velt on. I'm like, I don't

779
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 4: not tether, but at my line, I'm like, this isn't

780
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 4: gonna work. I don't have like spikes on my shoes.

781
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna slide down and bash my face and

782
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 4: scrape my stomach. Like what's gonna happen here. I'm just

783
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 4: trying to think this through in this moment, and I'm like,

784
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 4: I think I gotta jump, so I position my feet

785
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: on my last possible stick. I unhook my tether and

786
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 4: I push back and I jump and I fall bom

787
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 4: hit the ground. It's soft because it's marshy and nasty,

788
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: and I I literally get up and I just started laughing.

789
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 5: Dude, you're gonna have some funny pres on that.

790
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 4: Yes, See, like the hunt was pretty serious. Situation could

791
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 4: have been dire, Like it wasn't good I handled it.

792
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 4: I think the best I could have. Someone can tell

793
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 4: me otherwise. Of course I're gonna have a better answer.

794
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 4: But uh, in that moment, I was really trying to

795
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 4: take myself too seriously. Like, boy, if my wife hears this,

796
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 4: she's gonna tell me I'm grounded. Literally, I'm not allowed

797
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 4: to hunt out of trees anymore. So, uh, here we are. Yeah,

798
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 4: don't take yourself too seriously.

799
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah great, great?

800
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 3: Uh point there just to not forget to laugh at yourself,

801
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: because there's so many times when things go wrong, right,

802
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of the time, things don't go the

803
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: way we want them to. And if you are constantly

804
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: berating yourself for that, if you're constantly stressing about that, uh,

805
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: it's it's not gonna be an enjoyable experience. You just

806
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: have to just chuckle like, oh, well, you know that's

807
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 3: all goes you spook a deer, the deer goes running off,

808
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: or something else goes wrong. Man, being able to smile,

809
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 3: laugh about it and just say, oh it is what

810
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 3: it is, that is a superpower for sure.

811
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 4: Yeah. And on the same hunt again, laughing a spike

812
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 4: pretty much pegged me out of the gate and I

813
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 4: was like, okay, well there's no chance that mature book

814
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 4: isn't going to find me. Now, I'm like the stupid

815
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 4: done for what am I even doing out here? Again?

816
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 4: Laughing at myself?

817
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: You know, in along those same lines, being able to

818
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: laugh at yourself, I think is one of the easiest

819
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 3: ways to mentally pivot and allow you to get back

820
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: on track. So not only will it help you enjoy

821
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: yourself more and enjoy the hunt more, but I actually

822
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: think it will make you a more effective hunter too,

823
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: because if you are all upset about something that went

824
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 3: wrong or how your weak of rutcation has been horrible

825
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: or whatever it is. If you're doing that, your head's

826
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 3: not in a good place. You're not making good decisions,

827
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: you're not focused on what is important in that moment.

828
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: But if you can chuckle about the stupid thing you did,

829
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: laugh it off, brush it off, and then you're able

830
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: to move on, then all of a sudden, your head

831
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: is clear, your decisions are good, your focus is on point.

832
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: You are hunting, and that's that's a huge thing too,

833
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: just from an effective standpoint, right.

834
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 5: That's that's a giant And I'm not trying to reminate

835
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 5: too much on one here about what you just said.

836
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 5: Mark hit me, because if you've ever gotten upset or

837
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 5: even just like startled or pissed at yourself over something,

838
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 5: you can't think straight for a period of time, at

839
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 5: least I can't, or I make a good choice. Like

840
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 5: Mark just mentioned, I was in Illinois this this past

841
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 5: November hunting some public and I was taking my time,

842
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 5: really trying to do a good job scouting my way

843
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 5: in and being aware of everything real slow. And I

844
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 5: got right about where I was like starting to look

845
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 5: for trees, and I spotted a guy who was like

846
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 5: setting up his stand right, and I'm like, okay, yep,

847
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 5: and like I wasn't mad, but like I was startled,

848
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 5: and I was like, I'm going to back out of

849
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 5: here real quick, and like I just gotten a little

850
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 5: bit of a tizzy, a little bit frazzle because I

851
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 5: didn't know quite what to do. So I went back

852
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty yards to this opposite side of

853
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 5: this soul spot, and I just started setting up in

854
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 5: this tree and I got two sticks up, and I

855
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 5: thought to myself, why am I Why am I climbing

856
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 5: this tree? Is this because this is a good spot?

857
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 5: Or am I just like hunting here? Because it was

858
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 5: like close to the spot that I originally looked at.

859
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 5: I was like, get down and look at your map,

860
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 5: and like I got down, looked at my map, played

861
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 5: the window, and I was like I'm taking it down,

862
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 5: and I took it all down and like made a

863
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 5: better decision. But it took me like twenty minutes to

864
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 5: be able to like really think about what I was

865
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 5: doing and why I was doing it, because I was

866
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 5: just like, yeah, frazzled, and like when you get mad

867
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 5: at yourself or pissed at yourself for forgetting something or

868
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 5: doing something stupid that time, just I feel like for

869
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 5: me longer untill I can make a smart decision. So

870
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 5: as far as Effectius goes, you are absolutely.

871
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so true.

872
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 4: All right.

873
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: Commandment number two. Remember where you started? What do you

874
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: mean by that?

875
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 4: Okay, so this is fun because Derek, I'm gonna ask

876
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 4: you to jog your memory. What did I say to

877
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 4: you when we were hanging cell cams this past late summer?

878
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 4: Do you remember when we were under the oak tree?

879
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 4: It was a very romantic moment. I'm just kidding them.

880
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 4: Nice h O.

881
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 5: Do you have any context of like what being a kid? Oh? Yeah,

882
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 5: we were climbing a tree with no climbing sticks, no nothing,

883
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 5: and climbed up the tree and we were like, dude,

884
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 5: you and you need to stand for this, and you're like, man,

885
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 5: any time I climb a tree just brings me back

886
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 5: to being a kid in like childhood. Is that where

887
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 5: you're going to?

888
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: Yees?

889
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 4: Yeah? So I hunting is the only thing that brings

890
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 4: the child like spirit alive in me. When I grew up,

891
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time in the woods starting

892
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 4: fires I probably shouldn't been starting I have the fire

893
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 4: department called me a few times building forts, uh, you know,

894
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 4: just running around tracking? Do you even though I wasn't

895
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 4: hunting them? Because I was watching hunting shows at a

896
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 4: young age and just being obsessed about like the woods.

897
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 4: When I go to the woods is a full grown

898
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 4: adult male, I still feel like a kid running through

899
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 4: the woods. That grounds me. Remember where you started, and

900
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 4: to me, that's like it, like that's enough to satisfy

901
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 4: my soul in any given hunting season, as frustrated as

902
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 4: I might get, or as many mistakes that might happen.

903
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 4: Rooting myself and why I started and when I got

904
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 4: my started, actually hunting in the nickel A that like

905
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 4: just pristine wilderness is what really encapsulated me more than deer.

906
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 4: When I saw deer, everything beyond just being out there

907
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 4: was bonus. Seeing a deer as bonus, have an opportunity

908
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 4: a DearS bonus. Getting one was like the ultimate. But

909
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 4: bonus is a hard word to define. Everything above and

910
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 4: beyond just hunting is bonus to me. So for me,

911
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 4: like remember why I started. I started so I could

912
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 4: have these experiences, and then I you know, we talked

913
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 4: about the shared experience. So for me, that's how I

914
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 4: kind of think about it. I'll feel anything different.

915
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 5: Now, Yeah, mine is a little bit different, but extends

916
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 5: up to the nickel A. Growing up hunting in the

917
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 5: Nicola National Forest, scarce density was low and my dad

918
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 5: always would say, hey, we we saw it here today,

919
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 5: like that's a damn good day, like that we were

920
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 5: blessed today. And I still think about that every time

921
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 5: I climb out of the stand. It's like, man, I

922
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 5: got to see the deer today. To me, you like

923
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 5: that's a win. I've taken that with us, even know

924
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 5: there's way more to your down here, like man, here

925
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 5: one see one have an experience with one that is

926
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 5: a huge, huge win, and like it's not quite as

927
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 5: like down on Earth is like taking it back to

928
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 5: a kid, but man, I chalk it up to his

929
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 5: wind every single time, or if I learned something, that's

930
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 5: a huge point. So taking it back to the days

931
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 5: when just seeing what he was magical.

932
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 4: When you're pretty dense, so learning something's gonna be really hard.

933
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: It's it's it's good to to.

934
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 3: Remember those things when you're out there in the moment

935
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: and reset yourself. But sometimes it's hard to do, right.

936
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 3: I think I'll just speak for myself when I'm going

937
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: out there, and for many years I was you're so

938
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: focused on what you need to be doing and what

939
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: you know and what you think you know and what

940
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: you think is going to happen. Next, and where they're

941
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: going to go and what's going to happen and where

942
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 3: you should be and YadA, YadA, YadA YadA. It's really

943
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: hard to see and experience a hunt the way we

944
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: used to when we started, simply because we just are

945
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: who we are now, we know what we know now,

946
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: and we have these different goals. But there's one little

947
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: cheek code that I found that will take me back

948
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 3: to that that will take me back to when I started,

949
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 3: will take me back to being young.

950
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: Or to being a new hunter. And that's bringing a

951
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 2: new person.

952
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 4: Hunting a good point. You see, you're seeing it through

953
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 4: fresh eyes all over again.

954
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, taking my kids, taking a new hunter. All of

955
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: a sudden, you see and experience the hunt through fresh eyes.

956
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 3: All the little things are exciting again. They are experiencing

957
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: things that are brand new and fresh and you know,

958
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 3: fascinating to them. And it's like this flip that switches

959
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 3: in you and allows you to enjoy and experience and

960
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: see those things all over again yourself. And so that's

961
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: been like a huge thing for me, and I've just

962
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 3: continued to lean into that more and more. It makes

963
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: it so much fun. You're sharing it all, you know,

964
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 3: We'll get to this later. But it also just makes

965
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: it a great experience for you for so many other

966
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: reasons too. But that is a great way just to

967
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: reset and recenter.

968
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: I think it.

969
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: I'll even help you on future hunts when you're not

970
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 3: with your kids or the new hunter. I think it

971
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: like puts this new set of glasses on you that

972
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 3: you can keep on for a while, is what I'm

973
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 3: trying to say.

974
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: Metaphorical.

975
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 4: No, I agree with that. I've brought a number of

976
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 4: people into hunting, and you're spot on. It's a great

977
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 4: way to experience it.

978
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 5: The longer you keep those glasses on, the better for

979
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 5: every too, the better for yourself.

980
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so true, all right.

981
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: Number four a shooter buck is in the eye of

982
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 3: the beholder kind of self explanatory.

983
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: But expand on it for me.

984
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if we pass on three

985
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 4: or not, which is funny because it's never passed on

986
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 4: making memories.

987
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: You're right, we did. That's pretty funny. Talk to me

988
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 2: about number three and then we'll get to number four.

989
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 4: I don't know how you are in time, but so

990
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 4: if you need to press the sun a little, but

991
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 4: I can go quicker on some of these but.

992
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll say we'll speak a little.

993
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 4: It's a it's a way to be a little bit

994
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 4: like uh contract or like it's a word I'm looking

995
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 4: for your like contradictive to in a harsh kind of way,

996
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 4: like a start contradiction to you should let them go,

997
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 4: you should let them walk, You should have passed, you

998
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 4: should have you should have passed on that one, And

999
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 4: I passed on this one. And it was just a

1000
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 4: way to like really stand out there. And and then

1001
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 4: once we got people's attention with that, it's then time

1002
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 4: to take it a step further, which is well, no, no, no,

1003
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 4: just never pass on making memories. And and the point

1004
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 4: of that is like, yeah, I don't shoot whatever you

1005
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 4: want to do, but don't pass on making a memory

1006
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 4: right now. And if that moment got you going, if

1007
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 4: that got the heart pounding, you got your pee hot,

1008
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 4: whatever the saying is, then then don't pass in that

1009
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 4: moment or soak it up however you want to. But

1010
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 4: it's really to try to ground you. I'm like, what's

1011
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 4: happening in front of you right now.

1012
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 5: I think one way that I've taken that too is

1013
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 5: outside of like the actual hunt is I've tried really hard. Man.

1014
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 5: I I'm an only child, so I'm pretty like self

1015
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 5: serving and like I you know, you tell yourself like,

1016
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 5: oh man, I'm busy. I can't you know, like go

1017
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 5: do this or somebody asked me to do that. But

1018
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 5: I've like really tried to like never to not pass

1019
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 5: on the moments where people like invite your order their

1020
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 5: deer camp or like like help on a drag, like

1021
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 5: those are actually the things that I enjoy absolutely the most.

1022
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 5: Like if you call me and say that you shot

1023
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 5: at the ear and you need help, like unless there's

1024
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 5: a serious emergency, I'll be like, dude, I'm gonna be there,

1025
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 5: Like I will go and help you, because I'd really

1026
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 5: come to like love those moments and enjoy those. So

1027
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 5: I think that's one way that I kind of took

1028
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 5: that is outside of like never passing on a deer,

1029
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 5: like if somebody's asking me to do something, or someone

1030
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 5: needs help, or someone wants to go to the after

1031
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 5: the shop, and just look like take those moments they're

1032
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 5: gonna be. They're maybe like short term, you might think

1033
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 5: that they're like messing your system up or they're taking

1034
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 5: away from what you wanted to do by long term,

1035
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 5: those are going to be huge building blocks for something

1036
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 5: much greater.

1037
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: Great take Yeah, that that resonates so much. That's that's

1038
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: that's how I interpreted that one and exactly how I feel.

1039
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: And that also can apply to a little bit of

1040
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: what we just talked about, which is also you know,

1041
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 3: if if someone new is like, hey, I'd love to

1042
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 3: go hunting with you sometimes, or when my son after

1043
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: school says, hey, can I go hunting with you today?

1044
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 4: Dad?

1045
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: And I had plans to.

1046
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 3: Go somewhere else, deep in the you know, deep in

1047
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 3: the property and do a big swing to try to

1048
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: kill my target buck, and then instead my seven year

1049
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 3: olds hey day, can I go? I'm realizing now that

1050
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 3: you know, that's the kind of memory I would rather have.

1051
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 2: That's the kind of thing that's actually really important.

1052
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 3: And someday, you know, as the song says, I'll be

1053
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 3: hunting by myself someday and I won't have that opportunity.

1054
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 3: So you got to take those chances to actually build

1055
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 3: those core memories with people. The matter over just another

1056
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: deer on the wall, which isn't always as important as

1057
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: we sometimes make it out to be. So that's a

1058
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: perfect transition, though to the actual next one now, which

1059
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 3: is a shooter buck is in the eye of the beholder.

1060
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 3: Uh sorry, I skip that one.

1061
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 4: Eric, That's all good. Now tell me a little more

1062
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 4: somewhere in the shooter buck hat today it happens to be. Yeah, look,

1063
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 4: it's different for everybody. And we talk about adult onset

1064
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: hunters or kids or grandpa's or ourselves. It really is.

1065
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 4: A shooter is different to everybody. I now you hear

1066
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 4: you know in every hunting show where vibe it's a shooter?

1067
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 4: Is he a shooter? You have to shooter? Like means

1068
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 4: it's big enough that you want to shoot it. It's

1069
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 4: just relative. It's relative to you on your journey and

1070
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 4: not just hunting way you're in life too. Liked someone

1071
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 4: messages I think it was last year. I don't remember

1072
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 4: the details, and I won't go into it now because

1073
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be quick. But it was like they

1074
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 4: had cancer and they're like, I'm just not able to

1075
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 4: hunt the way that I used to hunt now, and

1076
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 4: it's sad for me. But like, you wouldn't believe what

1077
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 4: a spike buck would do for me now because I'm

1078
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 4: not even sure that I can go hunt versus before this. Yeah,

1079
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 4: I was after you know, one hundred and sixty inch deer,

1080
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 4: and like, I'm not sad that I can't do anymore.

1081
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 4: I just want to have the opportunity to go hunt. So,

1082
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 4: like a shooter has changed, and that's the context that

1083
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 4: people are like stripping from this stuff and shaming, and

1084
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 4: it's it really is in the inferior. Probably if you're

1085
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 4: a full drive and then it's a shooter. It's as

1086
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 4: simple as that for me.

1087
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 5: I think everybody realizes that for themselves and like what

1088
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 5: it's good for them, But I think what we're really

1089
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 5: wanting people to realize is that context that they don't

1090
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 5: have is so important for so many other people. So like,

1091
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 5: just because it wasn't a shooter for you, please don't

1092
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 5: arm your warrior that guy with a spike who you

1093
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 5: didn't know maybe had cancer, Like this was the absol

1094
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 5: my biggest triumphant he's had in a year or two.

1095
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 5: Like that. That's the reminder is like the shooter buck

1096
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 5: isn't for you. You didn't have to use your take

1097
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 5: on it, So don't worry about what it was to them,

1098
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 5: Say a good job at them on the back, and

1099
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 5: move on.

1100
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so important.

1101
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 3: Which I think is is naturally segueing us into number

1102
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 3: five on our game you really did, which is congratulate

1103
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 3: people you don't know. I think it's a great message

1104
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 3: of you know, just transitioning from let's not judge people's bucks,

1105
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: let's not judge people's decisions on how they hunt or

1106
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 3: what they choose to target, and let's take it one

1107
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 3: step further, which is, actually, let's be happy for other people.

1108
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: Let's not be.

1109
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 3: Jealous, let's not demean let's not you know, crap on

1110
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 3: someone for what they're trying to do. Let's actually support

1111
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: it and celebrate with them.

1112
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 5: Right.

1113
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 2: I love that you guys include that.

1114
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think reference right and Holiday Earlier and the

1115
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 4: Wisdom Book. But I think I just looked up a

1116
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 4: quote really quick because I can't remember he said it

1117
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 4: for It was one of the stoics that he's like

1118
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 4: talking about, But it was like, don't go out of

1119
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 4: your way to make life harder for someone else. Life's

1120
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 4: already hard enough by the one who lightens the load,

1121
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 4: not only the one who adds to it. So like,

1122
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 4: you don't know if someone's going through It's like it's

1123
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 4: like the road rage stuff almost, you know, you put

1124
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 4: a label on every single car driving like had a

1125
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 4: midlife crisis, just had a baby, has to go to

1126
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 4: the bathroom really bad. Like there's a million reasons people

1127
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 4: are doing what they're doing behind the wheel, but we

1128
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 4: don't treat them as humans. We treat them as an

1129
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 4: inanimate object that we're really pissed at because they cut

1130
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 4: us off or something, or they're driving slow or they whatever.

1131
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 4: You don't know that anyone's story behind this stuff, so

1132
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 4: like just say congratulations. If you have an opinion, you

1133
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 4: don't always have to share it. And why go out

1134
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 4: of your way to make someone else's life hard for

1135
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 4: no reason at all? Like let them enjoy their moment.

1136
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 5: And obviously there was in both levels like social media,

1137
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 5: it's easy to say great job. That's the man that

1138
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 5: the in persons where you meet someone in public who

1139
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 5: just took a dear, I don't care what the deer is.

1140
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 5: You have the opportunity to make that night amazing for

1141
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 5: them by like hyping them up there just being like, dude, dragon,

1142
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 5: like great work, you know how far was the shot?

1143
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 5: Just ask them some questions and just get into it

1144
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 5: with them, especially if they're by themselves. We just talked

1145
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 5: about sharing the hunt is such an important part of it.

1146
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 5: Sharing it with a stranger can be pretty awesome too,

1147
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 5: if that stranger's nice and kind and asking, and like,

1148
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 5: we have the opportunity to be that stranger every time

1149
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 5: we're in the woods.

1150
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 4: So like, that's such a simple, Well, who's mark, who's

1151
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 4: the first person you call when you tag a deer?

1152
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 4: Like maybe maybe the first one to three people, Like

1153
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 4: who do you typically reach out to you right away?

1154
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 3: It's gonna be my wife and kids, and then my

1155
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 3: my hunting buddy group text, which is like seven hunting

1156
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 3: buddies all.

1157
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 4: Once in the history of your hunting career. I'm willing

1158
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 4: to stake not my life, but a very large sum

1159
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 4: of money that none of them have ever like fired

1160
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 4: back out of that first caller text, why'd you shoot

1161
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 4: that one? Yeah, no chance, you're I've ever done anything

1162
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 4: other than hype you up, be there with you, be excited,

1163
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 4: and if anything, you're the one that's hard on yourself.

1164
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 4: Well it wasn't big, And they're like that doesn't matter.

1165
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 4: You know, you got one. You know, Like, how is

1166
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 4: that not the reaction we should have for everybody?

1167
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? So true, so true. Command number six, bring a buddy.

1168
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 4: You talked about that. We kind of touch on that already,

1169
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 4: Like that's a good way to see the hunting, like

1170
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 4: hunting through the lens of renewal and.

1171
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 3: Just and just it it brings a different level of just.

1172
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 3: I mean, sharing these things with people we care about

1173
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 3: makes it so fun. It changes the dynamic, it changes

1174
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 3: your focus. I talked about this a couple of weeks ago,

1175
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 3: but on this Iowa trip that I had a couple,

1176
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: you know, earlier in November, I shared a bunch of

1177
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 3: hunts with my friends out there who were just tagging it,

1178
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: like just literally out there to sit with me, just

1179
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 3: to have fun. And we sat in the blind and

1180
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 3: they didn't go hunting on their own. They instead just

1181
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 3: sat in the blind with me to shoot some bull,

1182
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 3: shoot the bowl and you know, see what happens and

1183
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 3: maybe be there for a cool encounter, maybe filming on

1184
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 3: the cell phone.

1185
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 2: Just we have that and we just had a riot.

1186
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 3: One did not help my chances of killing a big deer,

1187
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 3: having another person in the tree, having extra sound in

1188
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 3: scent and all that kind of stuff, but it made

1189
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 3: it so fun. It was such a great change of

1190
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 3: pace from you know, so many solo hunts when you're

1191
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 3: just out there doing everything you possibly kind of kill

1192
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 3: a deer, and instead doing a hunt where it's slightly

1193
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 3: less serious but a whole lot of fun like that

1194
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 3: is a great way just to rejuvenate yourself, refresh your season,

1195
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 3: refresh the week, whatever it is. That's another cheat code

1196
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 3: for just instantly changing. If you're feeling.

1197
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 2: Down about your season, do that, and.

1198
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 3: I almost guarantee it things will be better after that.

1199
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 5: I think that goes across the board too. It's not

1200
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,479
Speaker 5: even just hunting. Like my buddy Mike, who comments into

1201
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 5: our podcast all the time, he shot a really nice

1202
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 5: block up by credits, which is they don't have a

1203
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 5: ton of pigture and shout the biggest deer they've ever

1204
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 5: shot shout off their property thirty years seven point really nice.

1205
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 5: He brought it home, it's been sitting there for a

1206
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 5: few days. We called and talked about the story and

1207
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 5: he's like, Dude, I'm stressing. I don't know what to

1208
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 5: do with this. I kind of want like a cool

1209
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,439
Speaker 5: thing with the antlers. It's the biggest one I've ever got,

1210
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 5: but I don't know what to do. And I was like, WHOA,

1211
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 5: what do you like? Are you working tomorrow? And he

1212
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 5: was like, WHOA, not really, like all my bosses are

1213
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 5: office right before thanks getting He's like, I can take

1214
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 5: the day off. I was like, I'm off, bring a

1215
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 5: deer to my house. Let's process it. He's never processed

1216
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 5: a deer, never cutting up. I was like, we'll do

1217
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 5: your euro. We'll process it tomorrow. I got the kids home,

1218
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 5: we'll all be a part of it. I come and

1219
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 5: see the process. I don't know he'll ever want to

1220
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 5: do it again. But he was like, dude, I respect

1221
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 5: how much like work this is Because he's like this

1222
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 5: is more than I thought. Yeah, And I was like, dude,

1223
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 5: but do you see how like breaking down like just this,

1224
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 5: like he said, due, I learned so much just taking

1225
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 5: that deer apart. So like even that, like even those

1226
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 5: little things like you might think might not be a

1227
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 5: big thing. I did it chew up a bunch of

1228
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 5: my day. Yeah, but it was so worth it, like

1229
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 5: hearing ask questions and like doing it all together, and

1230
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 5: my son's running the vacuum seat, learn my daughter's like

1231
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 5: off take It was a great day. Yeah, So include

1232
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 5: friends if you always much as you can.

1233
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, number seven, Always be learning and love the process.

1234
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 3: You're speaking my language.

1235
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't not be learning when you're doing

1236
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 4: this stuff. It's just constant learning, and usually almost always

1237
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 4: the hard way. Like I'm going to be very conscious

1238
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 4: about where I set my boat when I'm climbing my

1239
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 4: tree because I never want that to happen ever again.

1240
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 4: And you know, as much as I am the okase hunter,

1241
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 4: I really do tend to learn things the first time

1242
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 4: time I make the mistake, I won't probably make that

1243
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 4: mistake again. If I do, then like, oh my gosh,

1244
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 4: then it's a really funny story. I'm laughing at myself.

1245
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 4: But you gotta love the whole process, like like I

1246
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 4: think it's Derek you said, like if you're just folks

1247
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 4: on the endgame of killing a baby boy, killing by whatever,

1248
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 4: like you're not you're missing kind of like the journey there.

1249
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 4: So if you don't love the process and the journey,

1250
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 4: the outcome isn't going to do it for either. At

1251
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 4: some point it's not going to be enough. So yeah,

1252
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 4: that's kind of the I think we all love it.

1253
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 4: We're we're deer hunting. I will say, I think there

1254
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 4: are people that hunt for the grip and grin, and

1255
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 4: I think they probably don't enjoy the process as much

1256
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 4: as the rest of us. And that's a little sad

1257
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 4: for me. And I'm not sure that all of them

1258
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 4: stay in that zone. I think some of them could

1259
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 4: graduate into being true hunters, but the folks that are

1260
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 4: in it for that, they're going to have a pret

1261
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 4: route awakening.

1262
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 3: Because deer hunting is freaking hard well, and I think

1263
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 3: people can start in the right place and slip into that. Right.

1264
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 4: The other direction is a good point, right.

1265
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 3: Like, you started just loving it, and then you got

1266
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 3: to a point where you felt like you had to

1267
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 3: kill the big deer, or you put these pressures on yourself,

1268
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 3: or you set these goals and then all of a sudden,

1269
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 3: it was that thing that mattered more than anything, and

1270
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 3: then you started losing that. I mean, that's my story, right,

1271
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 3: My story was that I became so goal oriented, so

1272
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 3: focused on achieving these missions or whatever it was, that

1273
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 3: I started to lose the joy in the process, and

1274
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: I was beating myself up because if I didn't reach

1275
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 3: that end goal, which even the very best guys out

1276
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 3: there don't nine times out of ten, right, and I

1277
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 3: had to I had to learn and recenter and remember

1278
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 3: that man, enjoy the little things, learn from the mistakes, right.

1279
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 3: I think a simple little trick is like kind of

1280
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 3: back to what we talked about earlier.

1281
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: When you screw up or.

1282
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 3: When something goes wrong, or when the cards aren't in

1283
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 3: your favor, rather than getting pissed, rather than beating yourself up,

1284
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 3: laugh it off, and then recognize like, all right, hey,

1285
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 3: I learned something. You know, there's there's a learning opportunity.

1286
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to be a little bit better next time,

1287
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 3: or I'm not going to make that same mistake next time,

1288
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 3: or I'll know better a little bit next time, because

1289
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 3: that's what every single one of those stupid mistakes is.

1290
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 3: That is actually a step towards being a little bit

1291
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 3: different next time around. So that's a good thing. You

1292
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 3: just learned something, You just stumbled on some new crazy

1293
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 3: way to screw it up that hopefully you won't be

1294
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 3: the next time. We'll really do slightly differently. And so

1295
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 3: you got you got to learn to love those little

1296
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 3: scrubs and learn and to love those challenges and then

1297
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 3: also just learn to love the daily little bits and.

1298
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 2: Pieces of it, because that's what it is.

1299
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 3: Ninety nine percent of the time, right, the big buck

1300
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 3: happens once. You know, for most people, it's once every

1301
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 3: handful of years, so you better enjoy all the in between.

1302
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 5: So true, one last little piece out throwing their mark,

1303
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 5: And I guess it almost goes with some of the

1304
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 5: other stuff you're talking about, like they're bringing buddy, but

1305
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 5: like learning that you can or sorry, yeah, figuring out

1306
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 5: that you can learn from everyone and not just the

1307
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 5: most seasoned of the season, and like roping those newer

1308
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 5: hunters into the conversation when everyone's standing around, it's really

1309
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 5: intimidating because everyone's talking about, well, they're whold did this

1310
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 5: and blah blah blah, and they don't know what the

1311
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 5: hell's going on, but asking them what they said how

1312
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 5: it went, because you, I mean, I learned a lot

1313
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 5: from talking to newer hunters and what they were thinking

1314
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 5: and what they were doing, and I think being open

1315
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 5: to that, like truly being able to learn from and

1316
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 5: roping them in is just helpful.

1317
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Commandment number eight. If you don't have anything nice

1318
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 3: to say, keep it to yourself.

1319
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, we kind of tip we hit on that one

1320
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 4: already too, which is good, and we were kind of

1321
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 4: like makes it pretty obvious here. Yeah, I mean really, but.

1322
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 3: A great explicit reminder, a special in our social media

1323
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 3: digital world that we all live in nowadays. Yeah, and never,

1324
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 3: it's never understood it. I'm just I have a a

1325
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 3: really hard time understanding why people are compelled to say negative,

1326
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 3: nasty things to other people online.

1327
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: Like, I don't get it.

1328
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 4: I don't either, man.

1329
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 5: It can't make them feel it can't. There's no way

1330
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 5: that somehow it does something.

1331
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 4: They're going through their own thing and they there must

1332
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 4: be out it's spilling over. There are people that are

1333
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 4: trolls that are just funny, like they'll say things but

1334
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 4: you know that there's a sense of humor to it,

1335
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 4: and I'll just laugh at that. Like it's always the

1336
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 4: guys that are like, well, yeah, you gotta get a spotlight.

1337
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, well that's not what we do, but okay,

1338
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 4: it's funny. I can pick up on your humor here,

1339
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 4: you know. But no, the guys that just say nasty stuff,

1340
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 4: it's just like, gosh, I don't I don't even have

1341
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 4: any stake in what you're saying anymore, because I know

1342
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 4: you're in a pretty bad place.

1343
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, for sure, and then I think for

1344
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 3: those people on the receiving end of it, it's it's

1345
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 3: hard to do this in practice, but you just gotta

1346
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 3: try to recognize what you just said, Eric, which is like,

1347
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 3: they're the one with the problem. If someone is saying

1348
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 3: this like they're in a bad place, they're going through something,

1349
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 3: you know, just try to feel sorry for them and

1350
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 3: not feel sorry for yourself, because that's you know, you

1351
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 3: just can't let that negativity in.

1352
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 2: And again, very hard to do, very hard to ignore that.

1353
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 3: Like you said earlier, you might have a hundred congratulations

1354
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 3: than one nasty comment. It's that nasty comment that sticks

1355
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 3: with you. Man, Life's life's too short to dwell on.

1356
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 3: What's some idiot from ten states away thinks about your

1357
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 3: deer or your hunt, or your goals or anything like that.

1358
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 4: Does he see in the movie Green Street Hooligans, Mark

1359
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 4: oh Man, that's it. No, it is a classic, which

1360
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 4: who's the main Elijah Wood, which you would never think

1361
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 4: would be and the guy from the Sense of Anarchy,

1362
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 4: the British dude. Anyway, he's like he calls his best

1363
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 4: friends having a problem with this new person that's entered

1364
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 4: their group, and he's like, just would wouldn't let it go,

1365
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 4: and he goes, mate, you got a problem with me,

1366
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 4: it's your problem. That's like one of the best lines.

1367
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 2: That's a good loan.

1368
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 3: So commandment number nine is kind of a natural build

1369
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 3: off of some of the other things we talked about,

1370
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 3: which was being mindful, be mindful of the hunting journey,

1371
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 3: and however one is different. So this is probably just

1372
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 3: another way of saying hunt your own hunt, or your

1373
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 3: tag your hunt, or like what you mentioned about how

1374
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 3: you know that spike might have been meant the world

1375
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 3: to someone, So why are we trying to impose our.

1376
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 4: Thoughts on it?

1377
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 3: But is there anything else you would add to that?

1378
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 3: As we kind of have our last thought on this

1379
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 3: kind of theme.

1380
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 4: Now, I mean that there are stages too, Like I

1381
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 4: think they're not in priority, they're not in like chronological

1382
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 4: order per se. Then the stages of one hundreds, like

1383
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 4: what is it tagging out shooting you're basically shooting everything

1384
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 4: right and you figure, you know, I'm gonna shoot every

1385
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 4: year that walks like cause I'm trying to get it

1386
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 4: figured out. Then there's like what the trophy stage sportsmen,

1387
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 4: there's the method, and then Sportsmen was like the last one.

1388
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,919
Speaker 4: So there's five of these stages. Like we talked about

1389
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 4: the guy that had cancer, Like you can go backwards

1390
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 4: in the stage, you can jump ahead, like it doesn't

1391
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 4: happen in order. But everyone's at a different place in

1392
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 4: the journey, and so typically the judgment that happens can

1393
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 4: end up being that everyone's assuming that everyone's at your stage,

1394
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 4: like not everyone's at the the trophy stage right now

1395
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 4: or the method stage. They might be at the limiting

1396
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 4: out stage and you're bashing them, but they haven't realized

1397
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 4: that there's four other stages that go through yet, you know,

1398
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 4: so just be mindful.

1399
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 5: Of that and the house stages, Chamber Mark, that's you're

1400
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 5: a great example for this, Like anyone who's followed your

1401
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 5: content for a dozen years watched you go through the

1402
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 5: progression of like all the tactics and like you did

1403
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 5: so much intense learning about mature Box and then your

1404
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 5: goal was to set out and you have these cool

1405
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 5: adventure hunts and you would do it. And now you're

1406
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 5: slowly shifting years like now that you don't appreciate it

1407
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 5: as much, the Mature Deer Chase. You're realizing there's other things.

1408
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 5: So like people are moving constantly and like what makes

1409
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 5: them happy, And I think that's the best thing. You're

1410
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 5: not moving, that's where guys get stuck. You get stuck

1411
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 5: in the trophy stage. And also you're pissing in a

1412
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 5: moving about everyone who hunts around you. Everyone's doing it wrong.

1413
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 5: It's good to ebb and flow within that and just

1414
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 5: keep in mindful of like what maybe impacting other people's situations.

1415
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 4: By the way, there's no way also ready to do

1416
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 4: it right either. For that matter, you're not going to

1417
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 4: please the internet. You're just not going to please the internet.

1418
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 4: So like it well.

1419
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 3: And that's that's kind of exactly what I was going

1420
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 3: to say, which is, don't let anybody else's stage of

1421
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 3: the journey make you feel bad about where you naturally

1422
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,959
Speaker 3: are either, right, So if if you like, we can't

1423
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 3: let somebody else's expectations or somebody else's success or somebody

1424
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 3: else's set of goals, you know, make us feel bad

1425
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 3: about the fact that actually the thing that is bringing

1426
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 3: me joy right now or where I am in my

1427
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 3: life is that, Yeah, I just want to I do

1428
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 3: want to hold out for a big giant buck. And

1429
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 3: all my friends say I'm crazy because I'm passing on

1430
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 3: all these other deer, and but that's what I want

1431
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 3: to do. That's where I'm at, or vice versa. Maybe

1432
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 3: is hate that three pointer comes by and I'm so

1433
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 3: stoked and I want to do that, But all my

1434
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,959
Speaker 3: other buddies are these big buck killers and they only

1435
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 3: you know, hold out for five year olds, and I

1436
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 3: better not shoot that dink because that's not what we do.

1437
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 2: It's it's it all kind of dials back.

1438
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 3: It all goes back to having your We have to

1439
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 3: almost like silo this experience, like hunting. You said this, Eric,

1440
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 3: it's such an intimate and personal thing. It's it really

1441
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 3: isn't meant to be shared at scale with all these

1442
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 3: people who don't have the context. You don't know, you

1443
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 3: don't have real relationships, right. It used to be this

1444
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 3: is something we Yeah, we used to share this just

1445
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 3: with our closest friends and family members for thousands of years.

1446
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 2: That's what humanity did.

1447
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 3: This, this core thing to being a human, this most intimate, personal,

1448
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 3: meaningful thing of taking another life and hunting and feeding

1449
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 3: your family, this very powerful thing. All of a sudden,

1450
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 3: now we are removing all of that depth from the

1451
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 3: experience and putting just the surface level image of it

1452
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 3: to the rest of the world and letting people's reactions

1453
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 3: to that surface level image metaphorically speaking, then influence why

1454
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 3: we do what we do or how we feel what

1455
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 3: we do. It's just not it doesn't make sense that

1456
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 3: would ever work out that way.

1457
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 2: You know, it's.

1458
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 4: And I'll add on and that if you put this

1459
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 4: in like the fitness realm lens, if you have a

1460
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 4: guy that was three hundred pounds that worked his way

1461
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 4: into being you know, peak fitness level, he's never gonna

1462
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 4: judge the guy that's three hundred pounds coming into the

1463
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 4: gym because he's been there. Anyone that's been there and

1464
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 4: at a high level of success isn't going to judge you.

1465
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 4: It's the people that haven't been there that seem to

1466
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,759
Speaker 4: cast the most judgment, which I find to be interesting.

1467
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 4: So like typically the people that throw in the shade,

1468
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 4: like the guys that are respectable and have done good

1469
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 4: and done well and have had success, I think by

1470
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 4: and large aren't going to be the ones casting those

1471
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 4: stones like they're just not You're not gonna hear Derek

1472
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 4: melcoor poop pooing someone. You're gonna hear mar Kenyan poo

1473
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 4: pooing someone, You're gonna hear Tony Peterson pooh pooing someone

1474
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 4: unless they're like poaching or doing something unethical. They're not

1475
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 4: going to come at someone for like where they're at

1476
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 4: in their journey of hunting. So keep that in mind, folks.

1477
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good point.

1478
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 3: The last two commandments, i'll for the sake of time,

1479
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 3: since I kept you guys late here tonight, we'll read

1480
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 3: these two real quick here, comandm Number ten is sort

1481
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 3: of something similar to what we've been circling around, which

1482
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 3: is never passing up time outdoors and hunting with family

1483
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 3: or friends, right, and then number eleven celebrating failure, which

1484
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 3: I think goes back to our you know, laughing at

1485
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 3: yourself and always be learning. But with those two things said,

1486
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,759
Speaker 3: and I feel like we've done a really good job

1487
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 3: now of kind of circling all around this general theme

1488
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 3: of hunting your own hunt and really thinking about the

1489
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 3: why and removing everybody else's thoughts and you expectations of

1490
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 3: you from it. What's the last thing you would want

1491
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 3: someone to hear today before they set off for this

1492
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 3: last part of their hunting season. What's the final thing

1493
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 3: that somebody should carry with them as they turn this

1494
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 3: off and they move on to hunting the late season

1495
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 3: and hopefully closing out their year with some fun with

1496
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 3: some family and maybe with some more deer meat in

1497
01:10:58,960 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 3: the freezer.

1498
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 5: I'm a pretty pretty strong believe and this whole, the

1499
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 5: whole conversation tonight, everything kind of centered around doing the

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Speaker 5: right thing and trying to model what we would like

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Speaker 5: others to do to us. I'm a really big believer

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Speaker 5: in like the you know, the car mane, that you

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Speaker 5: get out of it what you put into it. And

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Speaker 5: I've had many seasons like this, and this season was

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Speaker 5: no different. I've been really blessed behind everything good that

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Speaker 5: happened to be this season was something good that I

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Speaker 5: got to help someone else with and whether that was

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Speaker 5: a track or drag stopping over to enjoy something everything

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Speaker 5: that we talked about, like, the more you really buy

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Speaker 5: into that and just try to have fun and make

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Speaker 5: other people's experiences fun, the more fun you're going to have,

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Speaker 5: the more success you're going to find. Because your mindset's

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Speaker 5: going to be clear. Like Mark mentioned before, You're not

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Speaker 5: going to be so caught up in the anxiety of

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Speaker 5: which scrape line. Do I hunt tonight? What is my

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Speaker 5: cell camera?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 5: Just relax, have fun, enjoy your time doing what we do.

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Speaker 5: Because it only comes once a year. That would be

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Speaker 5: my last bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like my cousin Jeremy said on the strade with you,

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Speaker 4: he's like November first when it comes once a year.

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Speaker 4: So like, soak it up, enjoy it for the right reasons.

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Speaker 4: Don't get you down on yourself. I always seem to

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Speaker 4: like quotes a lot learning this about myself. Success and

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Speaker 4: failure aren't opposites. They're two sides of the same coin,

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Speaker 4: but they both have the same output that like it.

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Speaker 4: It just signifies that the results of the same thing,

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Speaker 4: which is trying. So like if you had failure the

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Speaker 4: season or you had success, they're both the result of trying.

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Speaker 4: So they're on a spectrum. They're not opposite of each other.

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Speaker 4: So if you're failing this year, that means you tried

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Speaker 4: and that's a big deal, and it means you probably

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Speaker 4: learned a lot. If you succeeded, that means you tried

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Speaker 4: and you just got the different side of the coin

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Speaker 4: flip this year. Because it's dear honey, so have fun

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Speaker 4: out there. Shared the experience as much as you can,

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Speaker 4: and don't be yourself up too hard. I know we

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Speaker 4: all can because you can kind of get especially in

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Speaker 4: social media, you just get the phoonmo hitting real hard

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Speaker 4: sometimes so but be ensure the moment it does happen

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Speaker 4: to and if if you get it done, soak it

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Speaker 4: up because it's not gonna happen again from maybe a

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Speaker 4: couple you never know.

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Speaker 3: Well, guys, I think this is uh, this was a

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Speaker 3: great conversation. It's it's what I think probably a lot

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Speaker 3: of people need is a little bit of a reset

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Speaker 3: and in a reminder to really soak up these last

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Speaker 3: few weeks or days or or month or so of

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Speaker 3: the season and get back to the important stuff. So

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys taking time to help us do that.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having us. Yeah, but a pleasure, Mark, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Before I let you go, very briefly, can you give

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Speaker 3: me a quick rundown of where folks can find your

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Speaker 3: podcast or content anything else they should know?

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Speaker 4: Oh just okays Hunter dot com. Okay a y E

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Speaker 4: s T. Hunter dot com. I'll take care everywhere you

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Speaker 4: need to go. I wouldn't find what you find your journey.

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Speaker 4: See what speaks to you.

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Speaker 2: Amazing.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys, all right, and that's going to do

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Speaker 3: it for our show today. Thank you for tuning in,

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Speaker 3: thanks for being with us, and please, until next time,

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Speaker 3: have fun out there.

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Speaker 2: Follow these rules, follow these.

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Speaker 3: Commandments, these ideas, these steps that we can all take

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Speaker 3: to re discover the joy to become happier, more satisfied,

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Speaker 3: more helpful, kind, joyful hunters to all of those around us,

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Speaker 3: because that's what's all about. Let's enjoy this thing, Let's

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Speaker 3: have a great time out there. Let's end this hunting

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Speaker 3: season in style, and until next

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Speaker 2: Time, stay wired to Hunt.