1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in everybody to the second hour 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Thanks so 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: much for being with us. Eight two eight two to 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: eight eight two. If you want to call in love 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: to hear from some of you folks all across the country. 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: It's going to be talking a little bit about the 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: trans versus Trands swim meet that occurred and some possible 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: collusion shenanigans behind the scenes plays. Website OutKick has some 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: great reporting on that. We mentioned it yesterday, updates to 11 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: it today. Also, is Russia going to invade Ukraine? We 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: could discuss that a little bit. I think the answer 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: is probably, and as the Biden administration up to the challenge, 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: the answer is certainly no. But fortunately for us, they're 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: not invading the US, so it's not as much our problem. 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: And also wanted to raise this question right now about 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: what do we think the second year of the Biden 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: regime is going to look like given what we've already seen. 19 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: I actually wrote at buck Sexton dot com Biden will 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 1: be even worse in year two. I wrote an editorial 21 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: making my case because Clay, here's here's my thought on this. 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 1: I want to run this by you. Oh wait, first off, 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: before before you get you here's what Nancy Pelosi's assessment. 24 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: Can we do the Pelosi assessment on year one? And 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: then I want to I want you to take my thesis. 26 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: I think your two is getting even worse for him. 27 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: A play clip eight. Today we brought a proud anniversary. 28 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: One year ago today, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were 29 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: sworn in as President and Vice President of the United States. 30 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: Since that historic day, we have seen one of the 31 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: most impactful first years of a presidency in modern times, 32 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: in modern times, getting shots in the arms of millions 33 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: of people, putting money in pockets, delivering the best year 34 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: of job creation on record. Okay, you can put up, 35 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: we can put a pause at first of all, she's right, 36 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: and then it's the most impactful first year in the 37 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: same way that Chernobyl was very impactful for the surrounding 38 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: It was impactful for the surrounding community. Clay, but I 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: think it only gets worse for him. And let me, 40 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean inflation. Tell me what you think here, inflation 41 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 1: gets worse. I think his political capital dwindles. I think 42 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: the build back better plan is dead on arrival, and 43 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: people are going to realize that he's done a horrible 44 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: job managing the pandemic. Plus we might have a war 45 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: with Russia and Ukraine. So I think the only advantage 46 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: he might have in year two, and it's been almost 47 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: impossible to predict. But if we're correct that basically everybody 48 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: gets O Macron and presuming that we don't end up 49 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: with a new variant that is even worse, that is 50 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: something that is much more deadly version of COVID, that 51 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: we end up that direction going. I think that his 52 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: one advantage is it's hard for me to believe that 53 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 1: COVID is going to be worse in July and August 54 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: and September as people come out of their summer breaks 55 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: and as they start to look towards the fall, and 56 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: so I don't think it's going to be accurate. But Buck, 57 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: I could see an argument where he says we vanquished COVID, 58 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,119 Speaker 1: that was the first battle that we had to win, 59 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: and that he takes credit for it. Now, I think 60 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: the natural biology of the virus is such that there's 61 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: virtually nothing that we've done that has been impactful at all, 62 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: and in fact, you might be able to argue that 63 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: the data reflects that the choices we made actually prolonged 64 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: and made COVID worse. In fact, I think there's a 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: strong element of that. But that's the only thing that 66 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: I can look towards going forward, and it's not anything 67 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: that he's doing, but he might try to argue, hey, 68 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: we finally beat COVID, and therefore things are going to 69 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: be better there. I don't think they're going to get 70 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: anything really passed in Congress for the next year, and 71 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: I think that, frankly is going to become the case 72 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four once you 73 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: have a Republican House and probably a Republican in it. 74 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: But COVID is his only saving grace I think for 75 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: the mid terms. If he's able to argue, hey, we 76 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: finally beat it, well, I'd be so curious to see 77 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: how they're going to try to balance this because I 78 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: think that that is their only play. So you're right, 79 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way they're not gonna say, look, 80 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: we got you through COVID. But can they really say 81 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: that if they're also telling us, because remember, people are 82 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: getting tired of this crap. They're finally saying enough is enough. 83 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: I don't think the commis putting the fifth shot in 84 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: my kid's arm is something I necessarily am willing to 85 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 1: go through, even if I was on board for Fauci 86 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: year one and most of year two. I think people 87 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: are getting tired of it. So if they line it 88 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: up for a fall where you know, what are they 89 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: gonna do? They're gonna say we're done with shots, No 90 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: more masks on planes? Are they really gonna because I 91 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: think if they let that stuff linger, their narrative is 92 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: going to be a more challenging one for we vanquished 93 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: the virus, because it's gonna be will you have to 94 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: keep us in charge or us the virus will come 95 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: back something like that to justify continued restrictions. But beyond that, 96 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: they're also obviously very nervous play and this has come 97 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: up with the way Jen Sakis had to go around 98 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: explaining that Joe Biden thinks this election, you know, will 99 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: probably be legitimate. Josh Holly, who we just had on 100 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: recently centered from Missouri. He points out Democrats, Joe Biden included, 101 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: clearly do not accept elections that they don't win. If 102 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: you've got clip seven for me, that would be fantastic. 103 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: But I heard it was what Joe Biden said loud 104 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: and clear, which is he's already making excuses for why 105 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: he's gonna lose in November. Democrats don't accept elections that 106 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: they don't win. I mean, it happened to two thousand, 107 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: and happened in two thousand and four, it happened in 108 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,119 Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen, now it's going to be twenty 109 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: twenty two. I mean, if Joe Biden thought that his 110 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: party was going to win these elections, then all would 111 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: be fine. But he thinks and because the polls suggest 112 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: he's gonna lose them, his party's going to lose them 113 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: the House and the Senate, and therefore they're illegitimate. I mean, 114 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: it's dangerous, it's wrong, it's ridiculous, and everybody knows it's ridiculous, 115 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: and yet there he is out there saying it. I 116 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: think that's what. I think, that's well said, and it's 117 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: also emblematic of how nervous they are that he's already 118 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: making those arguments. And what's amazing about it is buck 119 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: as soon as I saw that during the presser on Wednesday. 120 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: That's exactly what they went after Donald Trump for. So 121 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: the arguments that Biden is making, and I saw the 122 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal ding him pretty aggressively actually undercuts his 123 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: voting rights play, because he's arguing that the only way 124 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: democracy can be saved is if there are laws that 125 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: are passed that are beneficial theoretically to Democrats, which is 126 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: not anything that the average independent out there is going 127 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: to buy into. And to a larger context, I was 128 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: amazed by how little discussion there has been over the 129 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: things that are the most impactful on the American public. 130 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: For instance, Buck, you know, there wasn't one single question 131 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: during that press conference about the murder rate, about the 132 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: border issues, or about really inflation in any kind of 133 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: nitty gritty detail. And we talked about this, I think 134 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: earlier this week, Buck. Were many people out there judge 135 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: how things are going in the country based on how 136 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: much it costs to fill up their gas their car, 137 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: and we're talking about moving towards one hundred dollar barrel 138 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: of oil. That's the prediction that many people have for 139 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: what might happen in twenty twenty two. Well, if you're 140 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: not addressing that, then a lot of the other things 141 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: that you might be doing don't cut through the noise. 142 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: And I think it's indicative of how out of touch 143 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: much of the press corps is that there wasn't a 144 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: question about the murder rate, there wasn't a question about 145 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: about gas prices. Really, there wasn't a question about the 146 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,239 Speaker 1: border at all, and he took questions for two hours. 147 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: And yet if you're an average American out there, you 148 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: feel like, in many ways, I think the Democratic Party 149 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: is trying to address issues that don't seem a paramount 150 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: importance to you, whether it's the voting rights bill, it 151 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: is many of their priorities right now. And so I 152 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: think that goes to the essence of the difficulty that 153 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: Biden's going to have, to your point on things maybe 154 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: get worse. I think he's going to have a lot 155 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: of difficulty connecting with the larger American public because he's 156 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: not a great communicator. And what happened with Barack Obama 157 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: after he got whipped in twenty ten and what happened 158 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: with Bill Clinton after he got whipped in nineteen ninety 159 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: four was both of those guys were able to find 160 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: a way to adjust their behavior and be more moderate 161 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: and lead to their reelection. I don't think Joe Biden 162 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: has that skill set. I'm not sure he ever had it, 163 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: but I certainly don't think he has it now. I 164 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 1: don't think he has the skill set. I also think 165 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: his party doesn't have the desire. We have to look 166 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: at what the Democrat Party actually is today. A lot 167 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: of them look at their response to all of this 168 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: we've got, look at the problems. Inflation really high. What 169 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: does the Democrat Party want to do? Spend trillions more 170 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: of federal dollars right what is the what's the problem 171 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: that we have at the border right now? Tons of 172 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: illegal immigration? What does the Democrat Party want to do? 173 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: Essentially stop all immigration enforcement and allow even more people 174 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: to come in illegally. Same thing with all the COVID restrictions. 175 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: It's not working. It's making people not only miserable and 176 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: increasingly going through real psychological durest. Because it's been now 177 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: two years of this craziness, they want to double down 178 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: and do even more extreme stuff after the less extreme 179 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: things didn't even work. They look at things that you 180 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: and I and the rational people listening to this program 181 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: across America would take and say Okay, this failed and 182 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: we need to do something differently. They look at and say, 183 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: we didn't do it enough. I mean, this is just 184 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: the Democrat Party of today is just one long loop 185 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: of real communism has never been tried, except it's real 186 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: Democrat leftism has never been tried. It's never that they're wrong. 187 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: And Buck, I think we have to talk about two. 188 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: I know the election is not until November, but if 189 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: you look historically, what happens with many different Americans out 190 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: there is in June and Joe lie and in August, 191 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: when it's summer, when the kids are out of school, 192 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: when everybody's busy, there isn't a great deal of focus 193 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: on what's going on in the larger public policy arena. 194 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: So we're coming up now on the end of January, 195 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: we're probably talking about Joe Biden having to get things done. February, 196 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: in March or twenty twenty two is out the window 197 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: in terms of making any sort of substantial alterations in 198 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 1: the trajectory of America. And so while we can say, hey, 199 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: it's still ten months until November in election day, the 200 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: reality is summer people dial out. You come back after 201 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: Labor Day and it's officially election season. You've got sixty days. Well, 202 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: they're not doing anything in Congress. Then things have to 203 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: change in a hurry in order for public perception to 204 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: be altered, just based on the way everybody's paying attention. 205 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: And I don't think that's very likely at all to happen. 206 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: And so yes, things can change, but they really need 207 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: to change in February in March. And I don't know 208 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: about you, but I don't feel like there's any substantial 209 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: alteration of what we have seen occurring likely to be 210 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: in February and March. I just really don't. We'd like 211 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: to talk about Legacy Box on this program because of 212 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: what they do for families. 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Welcome back, Ed Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 229 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we 230 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: roll through the Friday edition of the program. Take you 231 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: into the weekend. Buck. A big debate of late has 232 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: been this University of Pennsylvania swimmer that has for three 233 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: years swam as a man and then decided to become 234 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: a women's swimmer and has been dominating. And what's interesting 235 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: is the nc DOUBLEA, which is the body that oversees 236 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: college athletics, has effectively acknowledged that their existing policies don't 237 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: make sense. And in particular, they've said, basically, if you 238 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: stop your testosterone for twelve months, this is what's going on. 239 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: So for people out there who have not paid attention 240 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: to this store, we have got biological men that are 241 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: deciding to identify as women and then are crushing women's athletes. 242 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: And this swimmer who swam for three years as a 243 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: man at the University of Pennsylvania is now swimming as 244 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: a woman and may set an all time record that 245 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: is that has never existed before in women's college swimming. 246 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: And there's an interesting quote here that one of my writers, 247 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: Joe Kenzie, has been doing a great job covering at 248 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: OutKick if you're at all intrigued by this story, and 249 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: it says for trans women who have successfully suppressed testosterone 250 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: for twelve months, the extent of muscle strength the loss 251 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: is only about five percent after twelve months. And this 252 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: expert says testosterone suppression does not remove the athletic advantage 253 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: acquired under high testosterone conditions at puberty, while the male 254 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: musculo skeletal advantage is retained. That sounds a little bit complicated, 255 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: but basically what it means, Buck is men are bigger, stronger, 256 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: and faster than women, and if you suddenly stop testosterone 257 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: for a year, they're still able to produce ninety five 258 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: percent of the overall athletic dominance that they would have 259 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: otherwise done, which means that a man is going to 260 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: be better if he becomes a woman and decides to 261 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: change his gender than a biological woman. It's crazy that 262 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: we even have to have these conversations, but this is 263 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: where we are. You know, I talked about this story 264 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: that your OutKick writer did yesterday play and it was 265 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: one of those aha moments because we were supposed to 266 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: believe in this case, right that the So just so 267 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: I'm clear, there's a is it a biological female who 268 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: is competing against what was the actual transition status? It's 269 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: tough to even keep up. So Leah Thomas is a 270 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: biological male, also that as a male who is competing 271 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: against women. But Leah Thomas lost to another biological male 272 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: who no, no, it was a biological female who competes. 273 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: This is how confusing it's getting against women or yes, 274 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: against women. So so the biological female who is now 275 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: claiming to be a male still swims against women. Well, 276 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: this is the part of this. So why doesn't the 277 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: biological female who says that, you know, can compete and 278 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: beat Leah Thomas and we know this collusion, Why isn't 279 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: that individual swimming against men. It's a great question, and 280 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: by the way, it gets complicated and this is it 281 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: gets complicated, is probably going to become the subtext of 282 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: all women's athletics going forward as this occurs, because this 283 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: is not a big issue. To your point, if a 284 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: biological woman decides that she wants to become a man, 285 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: she has no chance of competing with male athletics, right, 286 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: There's no way that that person would ever make a 287 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: team most of the time, and certainly would never compete 288 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: in the context of winning actual swim meets. And so 289 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: the transgender activists like to say, well, this is not 290 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: really a big deal. It cancels itself out. No, it doesn't, 291 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: because biological men who decide to become women are the 292 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: ones that are taking over women's athletics. And the scary 293 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: part about this buck is the number of actual female 294 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: athletes that are willing to speak out against this is 295 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: almost zero because these college athlete women want to go 296 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: to grad school, they want to get jobs, and they 297 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: don't want their number one Google result to be questioning 298 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: whether transgender athletes should be competing against them. You swim 299 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: in the IVY league, for example, not because it's going 300 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: to make you a millionaire, because it's not. You swim 301 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: in the ivy League, so you can get a job 302 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: working in you know, Google Communications or something making two 303 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: hundred grand a year in your twenties, you know, your 304 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: late twenties. Whatever. That's why they're so they don't want 305 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: to give that up. Obviously they're all terrified. Yes, And 306 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: by the way, there's arguments here and this will be 307 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: fascinating that this may eventually end up at the Supreme 308 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: Court because as women more and more are losing to 309 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: biological men, there's going to be a question about how 310 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: this is implicating Title nine, which requires even equality of scholarship. 311 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: And if you've got a lot of biological men who 312 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: are taking away in theory scholarships that would otherwise go 313 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: to women, this is going to turn into a monster 314 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: issue going forward. 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We 333 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: are going to talk economics for a second. Here the 334 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: money in your bank account, your wages, the job market, inflation. 335 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: How expensive is that cheeseburger you're hopefully going to get 336 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: to eat tonight or whatever you choose. We have someone 337 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: who can shed light on all of that with us now, 338 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,959 Speaker 1: Art Laugher. You'll remember him as a former Reagan economic advisor, 339 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: and you know the Laugher curve. Art is with us now, sir, 340 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 1: Great to have you, Yes, thank you very much. It's 341 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: a pleasure with you. Can we just have you react 342 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: because I think this is a good way to get 343 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: us started. Here to Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo here on 344 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: what a great economy this is? Play it, well, it's 345 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: not that great. I mean, we have a shortage of labor. 346 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: In fact, the number of people employed today is way 347 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: below what it was before the pandemic occurred. What we 348 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: have as a participation rac are about the lowest rate. 349 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: Then we've caused all sorts of people to leave the 350 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: labor for us. Now they're not unemployed. They just left 351 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: and went home because we're giving them so much in 352 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: the way of transfer payments and welfare that they're just 353 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: better off being unemployed than they are than they are 354 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: and actually being in there here we are are we 355 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: actually have the We actually have the SoundBite for you. 356 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: So cut thirteen, play it as you say. These are 357 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: you strong numbers where by any measure, now we have 358 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: a strong economy. You know, created over six million jobs 359 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: last year. We're the only economy in the world that 360 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: is stronger now than pre pandemic, and the unemployment rate 361 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: has fallen like a rock over the past year. So 362 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: we look at those numbers. I mean, you know, week 363 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: to week, month to month, there are small variations, but 364 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: it's a it's a strong employment picture, you know, wages, 365 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: our jobs are growth is as you say. You know, 366 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: obviously we have inflation and that is what we have 367 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: to deal with, all right, I mean, just the six 368 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: million jobs created, can you can you dive into that 369 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: for a second, because that doesn't seem to pass the 370 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: smell test. Well, no, we lost about if I'm using 371 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: the numbers correctly, or we now lost into something like 372 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: nine million in the pandemic, and now we've come back 373 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: six million back, but it's not increasing any longer. We've 374 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: come back there, so we're still three million jobs short 375 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: of what we were at the before the pandemic, and 376 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: we've had population growth since then. So as far as 377 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: participation rates were way below where we were prior to 378 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: the pandemic. It's been collapsing for a long time and 379 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: it's really shown a very sharp deterioration. So people have 380 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: just left the labor force. They don't want to work 381 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: because they're getting paid all these money from the government. 382 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 1: That's what's happening. And when you when when when she 383 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: says that you have these real these wages rising that's 384 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: true ning wages went up four percent or something. Now 385 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: wages went up four percent and inflation went up seven percent. 386 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: If you like that calculation, I've got a bridge to 387 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: sell you. The real wages are going down in this 388 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: country because of inflation and all of that's happening. And 389 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: I just don't know where she got her PhD. But 390 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: it's sure she didn't take it in my class. We're 391 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: talking to our Just the misuse of numbers, I've I 392 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: just hate it when people do that because it's not true, 393 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: and it leads you too, knows something that's not correct. 394 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: Did we fell our laugher as an as an economist 395 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: that we did not bring your discipline into a discussion 396 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: surrounding shutdowns? We made only the experts in health involved. 397 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: When you look at it purely from an economic perspective, 398 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: how would you assess the decisions made surrounding COVID from 399 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: a shutdown, a walkdown, taking kids out of school perspective? 400 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: You know what I did was I looked at the 401 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: growth in the economy up through February of two and twenty, 402 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: all right, and then just dot line that growth going 403 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: forward and how much real GDP have we lost? Because 404 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: of the pandemic, the lockdowns and masks, all that stuff 405 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: put together, including the transfer payment, it's a huge, huge, 406 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: huge amount. And I don't remember exactly what those numbers were. 407 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: I wish I had my paper in front of me, 408 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: but it's an enormous amount of something like a third 409 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: of all GDP and we're below the trend line where 410 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: we were. Not only below the trendline, but it's growing slower. 411 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: GDP growth is not keeping up with past numbers, and 412 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: it didn't catch up the way it should have. So 413 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: all of this counting growth in jobs from the bottom 414 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: to the bottom to where we are now, it's way 415 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,239 Speaker 1: below what we should have had in job growth just 416 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: to catch back up to where we were in February 417 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: of two thousan twenty. It's, you know, we've got a 418 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: long way to go to catch up, and then we've 419 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: got a long way to go to make up for 420 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: the losses that we had. It's this is not a 421 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: pretty picture, I'm sorry to say, and I wish they 422 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't say it, but they keep saying that they I mean, 423 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: does anyone think their wages are really going up just 424 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: because they get a dollar increase in wages and the 425 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: price of goods you buy goes up two dollars. I 426 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: don't think so. We're speaking Art laugh or former Reagan 427 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,959 Speaker 1: economic advisor and Art. So what would happen if they 428 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: actually we keep hearing from Biden. One of the primary 429 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: talking points for how this is all going to turn 430 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: around is that the build back better plan will make 431 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: everything cheaper, which to those of us who are looking 432 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: at inflation and government spending and the relationship thereof say, 433 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: what do they not get here? But is can you 434 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: explain to us exactly how what their argument is and 435 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: whether it holds water? Well, I'll try to. I mean, 436 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, have you ever heard of a poor person 437 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: spending himself into wealth? Of course not. They're proposing we 438 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: have at economy and we want to take resources away 439 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: from people who work and give them to people who 440 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: don't work. And you know, if you task people who 441 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: work and pay people who don't work, you're going to 442 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: get a lot of people not working. And that is 443 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 1: exactly what's happened in the US economy. The only thing 444 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: is they're not going on the unemployment roles, That's true. 445 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: They're going home and taking their payment checks and living 446 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: nicely without working, without even trying to work. So what 447 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: should we be doing from your perspective? You talked about 448 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: the graph that you did. Starting back in February of 449 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, things were on fire in the Trump economy. 450 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: Everything was working well, and then COVID arrived, almost like 451 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: a neutron bomb that goes off there. What should we 452 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: be doing right now if we wanted to try to 453 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: get back to the growth trajectory that we had in 454 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: February of twenty twenty. Let me first say what I 455 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: think we should have done. Then we should have had 456 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: one bill of maybe a trillion dollars, maybe less than that. 457 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: Just one not the three and a half trillion that 458 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: was done then by the in Congress, and not the 459 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: three point two trillion that was done by Biden when 460 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: he forgot into and not the six trillion that he 461 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: wants to do. Is build back better. Just one bill 462 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: to do operation work, speed, find that cure, find the 463 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: remedies as fast as you possibly can. Trump did that beautifully. 464 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: It was just a wonderful use of government and government 465 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: resources to find a solution to a problem really quickly. 466 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: He deregulated the healthcare industries and the laboratories and all 467 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: of that, and we got a vaccine within a year. 468 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: That's incredible. We got all these other remedies as well, 469 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: all this other stuff that was just unbelievable. That's all 470 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: that should have been done. Now, there are people who 471 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: lost their jobs, that's true, but everyone lost. And you know, 472 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: whenever you transfer money, if you take from someone who's 473 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: rich and you give the money to someone who's poor, 474 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: by taking from the rich person, reduced that persons the 475 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: incentives to work, and he's going to work less. She's 476 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: going to work less. If you give it to someone 477 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: who's poor, you provide them with an alternative source of income, 478 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: and they too are going to work less. When every 479 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: transfer resources, you cause a reduction in output, employment and production. 480 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: And that's just what we've done in the last two years, 481 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: two and a half years, and it's terrible. You're seeing 482 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: the consequences everywhere. It's not an unemployment rates, you've got 483 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: a supply side problem. Now. People don't want to work 484 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: because they're getting paid too much by the government and 485 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: they don't feel the necessity of having to go to work, 486 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: and it's going to inur in very detrimentally to the 487 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: long term prosperity of the US. Believe me when I 488 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: tell you if you could get art before we let 489 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: you go sixty seconds or so with Biden and whoever 490 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: actually makes the decisions in this White House around him. 491 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: But let's just say we'll stipulate Biden and his top 492 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: advisors in the Oval Office, and just for the good 493 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: of the American economy and American people, what would you 494 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 1: tell him to do that you think theoretically the Democrats 495 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: may be willing to go along with or at least 496 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: consider if they get crushed this fall. Well, the one 497 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: thing I think that the Democrats may be willing to 498 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: consider that would be very good was have a payroll 499 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: tax rate reduction. I mean, just reduce the payroll tax 500 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: to half of what it is now, and then you 501 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: would incentivize workers to come back to work and you 502 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: would be able to increase their incentive to go. I 503 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: was hoping to get one comment with you on Ukraine though, 504 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: if if you guys are interested in one quick comment, sure, 505 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: because you know, when you look at a Ukraine and 506 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: I've been there, I've spent some time there, I'm passibly 507 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: knowledgeable on it. You know, the damage is already done 508 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: with the troops. You know, a credible threat as the 509 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: Soviets opposed on the border achieves what a military victory 510 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: could only achieve, but it does it without the use 511 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: of force. Who's going to invest in the Ukraine today? 512 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: No one. I don't care what happens on the boarder there. 513 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: No one's going to invest. Ukraine has already been disastrously damaged. 514 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: If you'll remember it, before Porshchenko, the Yukonovivic was a 515 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: pro Russian president of the Ukraine. Now Zelinski now is not. 516 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: But with this type of pressure on the Ukraine, there 517 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: is no way from Sunday they're going to come back 518 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: and be a productive, healthy nation for a long, long time. 519 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: Art really quick question. I told my kids that I 520 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: would ask you about this. How has Ferris Bueller changed 521 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: your life? The fact that you were mentioned in that movie. 522 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: I loved it. I mean it was sort of fun. 523 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it very very much. I mean I was 524 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: caught flat footed when I saw it the first time. 525 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: I know Ben Steina knew his father very well. But 526 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: my kids loved it too. I've got six kids, I've 527 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: got thirteen grandchildren, four great grandchildren. They love that team. 528 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: I just play it over and over and over again 529 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: for him. But it did bother me. If I may say, 530 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: all those students sitting there with their faces on the desk, 531 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: ruling all over the desk and not paying attention, I 532 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: mean in my classes, I'd have snapped them out of that. 533 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: There we go, aren't laugh for everybody? Great question, Clay 534 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: Art so much. Hey, thanks you for many folks. This 535 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: is the end of another busy work week, and how 536 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: many of you woke up today and found yourself contending 537 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: with pain. You don't have to have the most of 538 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: demanding physical jobs to feel that pain. 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Oh, he was fantastic, And we're gonna 566 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: play you that cut for those of you out there 567 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: who may not be familiar with the final question that 568 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: I was asking him about the Fairest. Bueller related that 569 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: that is one of the most iconic moments in nineteen 570 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: eighties movies, and his name being dropped in there. I 571 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: think he mentioned he has six kids, thirteen grandkids, four 572 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: great grandkids, and the fact that they to a large extent, 573 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: have embraced that doesn't surprise me at all because he 574 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: was such a young guy when he was advising Ronald Reagan, 575 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: and the impact of his economic theories have been so monumental. 576 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: It really is a shame that people like art are 577 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: not more involved right now. And to his point, Buck, 578 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,479 Speaker 1: I think it's a really good one. They are selling 579 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: you a bill of goods when they try to say, hey, 580 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: this is the fastest economic expansion we've ever seen. No, no, no, no. 581 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: When we made ten million people not work, you don't 582 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: get credit for six million of those people coming back 583 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: to work, because we're still talking about I think it's 584 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: three point six million people that had jobs in February 585 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty that are not working today. That's a 586 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,479 Speaker 1: monumental detriment in terms of our overall economic policy. I mean, 587 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: think about it this way. It's as though the Biden administration, 588 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: after mandating all these different COVID restrictions, and as we know, 589 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: they were able to use their leverage with federal funding 590 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: for hospitals to get hospitals to go along with this 591 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: and all across the board. But just in general, the 592 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: Democrat Party even more broadly said we're shutting down restaurants, 593 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: We're shutting down sports. I mean, there's all these things 594 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: that have happened during the Biden presidency at different stages 595 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: and in different ways. If you shut down all the 596 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: restaurants in a city and then you get and then 597 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: you open them back up, you don't get to say 598 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm the greatest restaurant tour in the history of this city. 599 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: Like that doesn't work, you know, And that's basically what 600 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: they're doing with job creation. They're like, Okay, well now 601 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: you can have your job again. You didn't create that job. 602 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: You just stopped stealing that job from the people who 603 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: had it. And it wasn't your economic policies that led 604 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: to those people being able to come back to work. 605 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: If anything, your policies have made the recovery even slower. 606 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: We have that clip. By the way, I'm a huge 607 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: fan of Ferris Bueller. If if by chance there is 608 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: anyone out there listening to us right now that has 609 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: never watched Ferris Bueller's Day Off, you should. But this 610 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: is what Art Laugher getting name dropped in during the 611 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: economics lecture sounded like in that movie. Today we have 612 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is 613 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: class anyone, anyone, anyone's seen this before the Laugher curve. 614 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: Anyone know what this says. It says that at this 615 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: point on the revenue curve you will get exactly the 616 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: same amount of revenue as at this point. So the argument, obviously, 617 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: which was underlying so much of Ronald Reagan's economics, was 618 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: if you cut taxes and deregulate, you are going to 619 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: end up with more tax revenue as a result of 620 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: the growth that will instill from the lower tax rates, which, 621 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: by the way, I think it's right and Donald trump 622 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: policies book, And this is what's so frustrating about when 623 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: COVID hit is frustrating on so many different levels. But 624 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: if you go back and look at February of twenty twenty, 625 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: right before COVID hit, we had the lowest unemployment rate 626 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: in modern history. We had the highest wage growth, White 627 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: Black Asian hispanic didn't matter. Everybody was benefiting. We had 628 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: a surging economy the likes of which we frankly had 629 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: never seen before in the history of America. His policies 630 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: were working so well, so well in fact, Buck that 631 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: even today, as we're talking in almost February of twenty 632 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: twenty two, two years later, we still haven't gotten back 633 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: to where we were in February of twenty twenty. Well, 634 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: this is why I mean the Commies, the Democrat Marxists 635 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: in our midst It's really a faith based tradition for them, 636 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: actually that they were lying on. And I can give 637 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: you an example of this, right because Claire, you're talking 638 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,959 Speaker 1: about the results that we all felt that were real, 639 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: that actually happened, that people could see and feel. But 640 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: what was the truth of the Obama administration? At one point, 641 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: you'll remember, it was posed to President then President Obama, well, 642 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 1: if raising taxes is going to hurt growth, productivity, and jobs, 643 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: isn't that a bad idea? And he would just say 644 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do. Essentially punishing people with 645 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: greater taxation even if it hurts the broader economy is 646 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: a function of morality, not a function of economics, and 647 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: when you start to see that, that is the primary 648 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: motivation for a lot of what the Democrats do. This 649 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: idea they're going to create greater fairness, even if they 650 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: have to make greater misery to get us there. That's 651 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: why it doesn't matter what the results under Trump were. 652 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: That's why the fact that they kept saying he would 653 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 1: crash the egg. Remember Paul Krugman, the night of the election, 654 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: all the downs down or futures are down five hundred points. 655 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: Back in twenty sixteen, Trump's economy was phenomenal. They don't care. 656 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: They want to be in charge, and they want to 657 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: tax you more because, as Obama said, Clay, it's the 658 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: right thing to do. We're gonna come back. Third hour, 659 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: Final hour of the week, Buck. We got Ian Miller. 660 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: We share a lot of his graphs on the failure 661 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: of our pandemic response. He's got a book coming out, 662 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: but I think you guys are going to enjoy just 663 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: some raw data that's coming up to close out the 664 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: final hour of the program. We appreciate you hanging out 665 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: with us. Go subscribe to the podcast. Make sure you 666 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: don't miss a single moment out there. This is Clay 667 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: and Buck Show. You're listening to Clay Travis and Buck 668 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: Sexton on the EIB Network.