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Speaker 1: Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome into Cleveland Browns Daily. Merely Bo the

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Speaker 2: great Ze, the Great Bubba of Ventroll and right off

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Speaker 2: the gates. Man, good to see you, coach. Well, first

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Speaker 2: time you got it, and you got by the way

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Speaker 2: people have dropped the ball previous to this, then if

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Speaker 2: they haven't, yeah, that's what I would say. That feels

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Speaker 2: like their problem more than anything else. How you doing, man, good?

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Speaker 2: Just fresh off the practice field.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great. We've we've had a really good off

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Speaker 3: season so far. So excited.

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Speaker 2: You know. We will get into all the new rules

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Speaker 2: and what you're seeing out here. But I did want

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Speaker 2: to go back to last year, and I remember it

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Speaker 2: was around this time that we interviewed you. We were

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Speaker 2: actually over in the undisclosed location at that time we

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Speaker 2: interviewed you, and you were like a shot of adrenaline

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Speaker 2: when I interviewed you, and I zee and I said, gosh,

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Speaker 2: that dude is he is ready to roll. And then

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Speaker 2: we saw this season play out and we haven't. I

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Speaker 2: don't think I had a chance to talk with you

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Speaker 2: at length since all of that, but we'd see these

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Speaker 2: images of you in a helmet in the locker room

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Speaker 2: and his postgame ceremonies as coach was giving them. It

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Speaker 2: was so great and your enthusiasm for it. How when

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Speaker 2: you look back on last year, a season that had everything,

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Speaker 2: can you put it into perspective now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think I think so.

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Speaker 4: It was, Uh, it was it was a fun It

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Speaker 4: was a fun year for sure to win to win

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Speaker 4: football games. We won a lot of close football games,

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Speaker 4: and we won a lot of those games off of

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Speaker 4: kicks teams. There was a lot of contributions from our units.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: We fortunately we blocked three field goals and we won

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Speaker 4: all the games we blocked field goals in.

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Speaker 3: We led the league in block field goals, which is great.

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Speaker 4: I'm really excited about our core group going into this

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Speaker 2: How nice is it to have that continuity.

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Speaker 5: You think about the guys that you know, bombs from

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Speaker 5: Cory Bjorkez, Charlie still the long snapper. You bring back

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Speaker 5: Dustin Hopkins, who was so great just on that side

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Speaker 4: The consistency with the specialist group is so important to

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Speaker 4: the overall you know, special teams unit, and to be

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Speaker 4: able to have all three of those guys back in

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Speaker 4: return is awesome. We're so far ahead with our core

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Speaker 4: because at least the guys that have are returning have

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Speaker 4: the first time. Yeah, but I feel really good about

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Speaker 2: You had you think about last year and you mentioned

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Speaker 2: d Hop and Corey, and of course what else do

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Speaker 2: They were I mean, de Hop was unbelievable. And then it,

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Speaker 2: much like the rest of the roster, you had to

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Speaker 2: find other people to do it. You rarely see that

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Speaker 2: where you lose both the kicker and the punter, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was No, you don't see that often.

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Speaker 3: It's never happened to me before. Hopefully it never happened

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Speaker 3: right right, Once is enough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there is that next man up thing and

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Speaker 2: then you had. You guys had to do that too,

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Speaker 4: And that's what the NFL is about that. It's, you know,

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Speaker 4: there's gonna be injuries the game of football.

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Speaker 3: It's inevitable. It's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: It's how well can you train and prepare the guys

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Speaker 5: That, There's no doubt about it. What's like having Kid back?

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Speaker 3: It's been good. It's been good.

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Speaker 4: He's I feel like he's in a better mindset. He

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Speaker 2: That's awesome.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's a you think about drafted the way

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Speaker 5: little bit Relaxer's the pressure is not on him to

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Speaker 3: It's a hard like being a specialist is different than

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Speaker 4: There's a handful of guys that have had really good

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Speaker 3: I want to say, like in the fifth round.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you see Jake Bailey in Philly was drafted by Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: They cut him before the season even started, and now

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Speaker 4: he's had it. He just got like a ridiculous contract

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Speaker 4: about having patience with those with those guys, and fortunately

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Speaker 4: now he can use this time to develop and you know.

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Speaker 5: Become plays there like there's no doubt he's got men talent.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Well, it's like you know, we hear people use

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Speaker 2: the analogy before, and I think for our audience, you

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Speaker 2: And that job is we really don't ever want to

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Speaker 2: kind of thing, like we don't want to notice them

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Speaker 2: especially like oh wow, now who's that doing that? And

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Speaker 2: that's kind of it's a lot like golf, right for

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Speaker 2: and then you get on a t box or you'd

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Speaker 2: get back deep if you're a punter, or you line

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Speaker 2: up to land a kick, and then the expectation is

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Speaker 2: make the thing, and if you don't, it's like what happened? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And that takes a mental toughness. Can you coach that?

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Speaker 4: I think it's honestly just trying to put them in

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Speaker 3: I know it's hard to do that, but it really is,

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Speaker 4: If you do miss a kick, you just got to

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Speaker 4: it to the next rep, and can't compound, So yeah,

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Speaker 4: the faster, And I think, like I know with Dustin,

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Speaker 4: Dustin does a really good job of self diagnosing, Like

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Speaker 3: I think that that's what we need to get to

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Speaker 5: So all right, let's talk about what maybe a fun thing,

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Speaker 5: or maybe to you is not a fun thing. But

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Speaker 5: for the first time, you've got completely new kickoff rules.

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Speaker 5: It's going to promote a lot of returns.

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Speaker 2: And do you remember or we were talking a year ago?

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Speaker 2: I can't. I think it might have been off air

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Speaker 2: the kick retired? Yeah, that was like a year ago.

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Speaker 2: We're like, boy, they they and we were like, we

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Speaker 5: This, I'm going on a record. I think the record

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Speaker 5: this year. I think there will be a lot of

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Speaker 2: What do you think, I think.

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Speaker 3: That you could be I think that could be right.

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Speaker 4: I feel that this is an opportunity to make a

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Speaker 4: really good coverage versus play. I think that you can

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Speaker 4: have really good returns versus play. It's how you execute.

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Speaker 4: And I think that.

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Speaker 3: Early on in the season, you're definitely gonna.

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Speaker 4: See a lot of a lot of different schemes, and

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Speaker 4: there's gonna be some copy There's a lot gonna be

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Speaker 4: a lot of copycat to everything that other people are doing,

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Speaker 4: it's an ongoing like throughout any camp, it's gonna be

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Speaker 4: an ongoing trial and error with the play.

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Speaker 2: To get it right.

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Speaker 5: So let's say you have you guys have discovered something

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Speaker 5: and you're like, Okay, this is gonna work. How do

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Speaker 5: you decide? And I'll go back to last year when

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Speaker 5: we were joking in here. I'm like, hey, maybe should

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Speaker 5: Miles Garrett block a kick? And you've been sitting on

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Speaker 5: that all year? Unleash it against Indianapolis and he blocks

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Speaker 5: the kick? How hard is what's that balance gonna be?

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Speaker 5: Because I'm sure you said there's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 5: of copycating. You don't want to show if you guys

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Speaker 5: think you really have something that's gonna work, Yeah, you

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Speaker 5: don't want to show it at all. How do you

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Speaker 5: kind of how does that as a coach and the

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Speaker 5: staff how do you guys kind of go through Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 5: we've got it. It's gonna work once and then they're

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Speaker 5: gonna be onto it. But when do we need that?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I can give you a direct

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Speaker 3: But I mean back to the block field goal, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean that was ridiculous. Is a complete he's a complete

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Speaker 4: free Yeah, and I'm glad he's on our team. But no,

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Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, like I said, there's gonna

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Speaker 3: With the play and then just you know, finagling a few.

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Speaker 4: Things throughout training camp, trying to put your guys in

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Speaker 4: the best spot to make a play. Obviously, we want

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Speaker 4: to have explosive guys in the back end returning. You know,

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Speaker 4: we have good we have good, a good group of

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Speaker 4: skilled players that we've been getting reps to. You have

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Speaker 4: guys that are not even out there right now, like

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Speaker 4: but like Nahim obviously has a history. Yeah, Jerome Ford's explosive,

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Speaker 4: Pierre you have we've been getting, like Elijah said Tillman,

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Speaker 4: all those guys have cought balls back there?

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Speaker 2: Did they?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry, coach, I know you're good.

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Speaker 2: Did they? Was there did anyone consult with any of

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Speaker 2: you guys like special teams coordinators, like hey, what do

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Speaker 2: you think about this? Was there any dialogue behind the

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Speaker 2: making this change. What do you guys think about the play?

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Speaker 2: About the play?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we actually we actually met as a coordinator,

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Speaker 4: like all the coordinators met at the at the combine,

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Speaker 4: and it had been in talks that the play was

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Speaker 4: Came from like the X like obviously XFL like background

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Speaker 2: Are we so damn exciting? It is exciting because the

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Speaker 2: fundamental changes to the way the game is played. Very

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Speaker 2: time this is done, going, what is it? What's happening?

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Speaker 6: What is this?

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Speaker 2: What are they doing? I promise you that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 5: I think it takes a play that has become kind

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Speaker 5: a good kicker, We're just gonna kick it out of

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Speaker 5: the en zone. All these guys in the NFL now,

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Speaker 5: there and say, you know, we're gonna throw Joel and

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Speaker 5: we can win our one on one blocks, like and

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Speaker 2: There's only one level of defense, right.

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Speaker 4: And I think that there will be more balls return

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Speaker 4: have to down every ball. You can't just give the

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Speaker 4: a touchback. You have to catch and down every single ball.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if the ball lay, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 4: If the ball hit it's inside the twenty yard line

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Speaker 4: it's a touchback, but it goes to the twenty. Okay,

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Speaker 4: So they're incentivizing returns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 4: If the balls kicked into the end zone in the

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Speaker 3: It goes to the thirty.

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Speaker 4: If the ball falls short of the forty yard line

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Speaker 5: So they're trying to get everything to land between the

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Speaker 2: Yes, like it. There are you could argue there. There

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Speaker 2: aren't many things in sport that are unilaterally more applause

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Speaker 2: we just haven't seen that many.

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Speaker 4: You're going to see. You're going to see some plays

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Speaker 3: Higher profile players back there.

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Speaker 4: It's another opportunity to get a really like a really

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Speaker 5: Ball, and it's in many cases it feels to me

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Speaker 5: we were talking about that you get a laye one

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Speaker 4: You're going to see a wide variety of the guys

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Speaker 3: To see some kick return concepts.

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Speaker 4: You're also going to see some punp return concepts with

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Speaker 4: because you are allowed the blocking, you're allowed to go

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Speaker 3: So just think about that. That plays like a.

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Speaker 4: Punk return almost so you could see like smaller guys,

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Speaker 4: You're gonna see a variety of players.

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Speaker 2: How do you balance?

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Speaker 5: You know, in the in the past, it was kind

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Speaker 5: you needed speed, but guys that were big enough to

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Speaker 5: are you going to see bigger guys on both sides?

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Speaker 5: And because then all of a sudden, those guys now

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Speaker 4: I think I think you will. I think you'll see

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Speaker 2: They're going to have to be.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna see some definitely some more defensive, bigger bodies

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Speaker 2: Well, have you had some of the more high profile

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have can I interest you?

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Speaker 2: I want you want to look my way?

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Speaker 4: So when when they do that to me, I say, well,

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Speaker 3: You're going to be in the So.

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Speaker 4: They're like okay, Like, but no, that we've had, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we've definitely had some more guys like reach out and

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Speaker 3: Feel like when we're like when we've been practicing.

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Speaker 4: There's like a lot of juice in the huddle, Like

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Speaker 4: haven't been in that huddle. They haven't done it before,

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Speaker 4: and they're like excited to do it. And it's another

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Speaker 4: it's another chance to make a turnover.

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Speaker 2: Do you get a socket. This is a play that

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Speaker 2: has been been out of our league, really, I mean

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Speaker 2: the kick return has largely been out of our league

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Speaker 2: in terms of taking to the yard, Like you think

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Speaker 2: long time since you've had those guys who would who

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Speaker 2: could and and that play when that play happens to

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Speaker 2: start a game. It's the loudest any NFL stadium is ever.

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Speaker 5: I remember when she he Giuseppe ran one, but in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would, I mean Cribs and like Hester with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun though, Like I think, I just think

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Speaker 2: it's really cool that it that it that the players

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Speaker 2: never heard that that you guys were consulted on it.

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Speaker 2: I think that's really critical. And I think the winner

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Speaker 2: here is going to be the fan. The fan is

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Speaker 2: going to get another play that's awesome that they haven't

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Speaker 5: I think we're talking about Hester and Cribs and Dante Hall,

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Speaker 2: Remember that would dance around back there waiting Dion, are

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Speaker 2: you sure you're gonna kick it to me? Really? Dare,

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Speaker 2: Like that's that's what we need that back, and now

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Speaker 2: it seems like we're gonna get it.

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Speaker 5: Talking to your colleagues around the league going and are

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Speaker 5: this is an exciting thing, everybody's into it.

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Speaker 4: I haven't really talked to them about that whatever, I like,

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Speaker 4: have those conversations. It's been more like, hey, what do

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Speaker 4: because we haven't been really able to go against each

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Speaker 4: what are you guys drilling?

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Speaker 3: Like what types of drops? Have you been doing?

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Speaker 5: So we'll this get like extra time to your point

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, definitely, because you're gonna have to You're gonna

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Speaker 4: So you got to figure it out fast. I'm glad

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Speaker 4: we actually have the joint practice with Minnesota. That'll be helpful,

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Speaker 4: actually that's.

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Speaker 4: We actually have a game before that, but it'll be

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Speaker 5: Though, when you think about like putting your putting the

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Speaker 5: then how would you have wanted to attack it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean no pun intended.

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Speaker 4: Because you talked about the help putting the helmet on.

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Speaker 4: I put the I put literally put on a helmet,

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Speaker 4: when the ball's kicked, right, there's now before like the

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Speaker 4: balls came. You're flying, you can't hear anything, like you're

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Speaker 4: prossly Like now the ball's kicked, you're tracking the ball,

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Speaker 3: You know you got the location.

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Speaker 4: So like I wanted to track it both from a

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Speaker 4: a different viewpoint. But for me, like I I think

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Speaker 3: For both sides. Like I would have liked to have

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Speaker 2: I really would. Yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome that this

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Speaker 5: I mean, I've been in the fortunate to be in

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Speaker 5: usually like and you know, you would be like and

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Speaker 3: Then it's not gonna be like that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's gonna be like, there's gonna be a

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Speaker 5: because you can you know, right, you get an opening

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Speaker 5: nahem did it in Buffalo obviously, handling tragedy, unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be fun. It is it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: glad you're watching over it, buddy. Yes, good scene, Yes

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Speaker 2: we are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good seeing you guys too.

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Speaker 2: Are the great Bubba vent Trump with a special teams

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Speaker 2: it was number six. We'll break that down for you

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Speaker 1: Live in Ohio on eight fifty esp and Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: That's a fun little way to start a program. Bubba

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Speaker 2: Ventron in here with us for the first twenty minutes

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Speaker 2: or a lot of interesting stuff there. Yes, I was

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Speaker 2: curious if they asked any of these guys what they

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Speaker 2: thought of this, and he said they did so, that

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Speaker 2: that was interesting that they were consulted, and that the

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Speaker 2: combine got together and kind of put it all together. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just a good stuff there. I met what I said.

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Speaker 2: I do think there's a great many of you who

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Speaker 2: out there listening right now, or certainly those who the

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Speaker 2: very few who are not that are going to forget

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Speaker 2: that this happened, that this is in play until the

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Speaker 2: first time is going to be a regular season game

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Speaker 2: and you're like, wait, what is this? Yeah, and then

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Speaker 2: you see it and it's it is. It's a real

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Speaker 2: play now.

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Speaker 5: It is a real play with real stakes and real

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Speaker 5: opportunity to change a gate.

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Speaker 2: And that to me is probably the part of it

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Speaker 2: that's the most exciting.

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Speaker 5: The kick is gone from you know, there's still times

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Speaker 5: when somebody sue get at it. You might say, you know,

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Speaker 5: go ahead and take it when they get on the

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Speaker 5: thirty five. Now if it's the touchbacks or go ahead

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Speaker 5: and take it. I don't care whatever. But I think

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Speaker 5: you're going to see a lot more returns and I

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Speaker 5: think it's gonna be exciting for the game. You know,

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Speaker 5: I was talking with Bubba as we walked out here

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Speaker 5: after that interview, and I noticed today one of things,

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Speaker 5: you know we're talking o TA number six. One of

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Speaker 5: the things that I saw out there was, you know,

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Speaker 5: Mike Vrabel spending a lot of time with Bubba on

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Speaker 5: special teams and they were together for four years in

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Speaker 5: New England, and you know, Rabes was he said, he

479
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Speaker 5: was kind of like my big brother on that team.

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Speaker 5: And he said he and Teddy Bruski are the two

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Speaker 5: smartt defensi players I've ever been around in my life.

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Speaker 5: And so to have him out here is so valuable

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Speaker 5: for you know, our team, whether it's special teams, whether

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Speaker 5: it's offense when he's working with the tight ends or

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Speaker 5: you know, helping out on that side of the ball,

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Speaker 5: whether it's defense, scout team, he's out there taking drops

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Speaker 5: today like being a linebacker doing zone drops.

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Speaker 2: He's sore that he's here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I say it speaks to who Kevin Stefanski

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Speaker 5: is as a head coach, a leader, and the security

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Speaker 5: that he has in his job and his role to

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Speaker 5: bring a guy like in here because he knows he's

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Speaker 5: going to help our organization.

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Speaker 2: Scurity and how security isn't himself. It is a billity Totally.

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Speaker 2: We could have said the same thing last year with

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Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz coming in here. You know, guys that are

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Speaker 2: that are ben head coaching has had success and Vrabel

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Speaker 2: is going to be able to whatever he wants to

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Speaker 2: do next. It's going to be that type of situation

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Speaker 2: for him in the league. There will be openings next

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Speaker 2: year and it's just a matter of what's he interested with.

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Speaker 2: When Bubbs having like the time of his life, but

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Speaker 2: he doesn't, Yeah, you can just like coach, coach and

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Speaker 2: ball have some fun. Totally.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't have to worry about the media obligations, doesn't

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Speaker 5: have to worry about a lot of the high stakes

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Speaker 5: and nature of the things that come along with being

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Speaker 5: the head coach. But then he brought up Swartz coming

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Speaker 5: in last year and I think that's another one of

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Speaker 5: Stefanski's great strengths is knowing what he is, who he is,

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Speaker 5: and what he isn't and who he isn't. And I

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Speaker 5: thought bringing in someone is fiery, you know, as Jim

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Speaker 5: Schwartz was such a great move and balance to the

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Speaker 5: steady nature of Stefanski. And it allows for basically everything

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Speaker 5: to be present, and so for the whole then would

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Speaker 5: be greater than the some of its parts. And I

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Speaker 5: think that's a wonderful thing for the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: It's funny like I was interviewing Obo coming off the

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Speaker 5: field today and Schwartz walked by and was like, you know,

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Speaker 5: you're gonna make some more sack predictions, because Obo, when

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Speaker 5: he was down in Houston, you know, said he wanted

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Speaker 5: to have ten sacks this year, and Schwartz just gave

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Speaker 5: him a little bit of razz. He's like, you know,

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Speaker 5: I had no problem with you making the prediction you

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Speaker 5: wanted ten sacks, Like I love that set goals and

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Speaker 5: let's go work for him.

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Speaker 2: He goes.

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Speaker 5: But then and the day after you made the prediction,

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Speaker 5: you weren't here. He's like so, and then it was

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Speaker 5: all is here the next day and I haven't left since,

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Speaker 5: and so they were just a fun back and forth.

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Speaker 5: But you can see this is a group that is

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Speaker 5: very familiar with each other. They know each other very well.

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Speaker 5: I was talking about you know, Jacques Czar, She's there

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Speaker 5: was his d line coach in Houston when he had

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Speaker 5: his breakout year that got him paid to come here.

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Speaker 5: So it's just it is definitely a fun bunch. But

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Speaker 5: Bubba was saying, you know, Vrabels such a valuable asset

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Speaker 5: and is also having the time of his life.

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Speaker 2: Mike. Mike went out of playing in to Ohio State

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Speaker 2: and immediately became on Urban staff, which is an ultracompetitive staff,

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Speaker 2: one of the best recruiters, one of the most invaluable pieces.

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Speaker 2: He was. Actually he came he came with Luke actually

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Speaker 2: when Luke Wickle had that job in an interim passion

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Speaker 2: first and then he hung on he stayed with Urban.

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Speaker 2: Then he went to Houston and and got on that staff,

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Speaker 2: and then even inevitably went to Tennessee very quickly. And

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Speaker 2: all he did was win right away. Like he's just

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Speaker 2: really good at everything he does. Yes, and this would

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Speaker 2: be another one of those things. So it's just incredible

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Speaker 2: that we have him here. It's an incredible research it

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Speaker 2: really is. This was the one where we got to

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Speaker 2: see four throw Yep, you were out there go it

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Speaker 2: looks great.

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Speaker 5: He threw a couple of them about forty yards on

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Speaker 5: a rope to Elijah Moore. He didn't participate in any

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Speaker 5: of the seven on sevens or the He participating in

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Speaker 5: the eleven on eleven but didn't throw. He just kind

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Speaker 5: of pointed where he would, you know, go through the

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Speaker 5: motion of throwing. But yeah, he did all the stuff early.

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Speaker 5: Looked good throw the ball. He seems to be in

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Speaker 5: great spirits. I talked to him when he's coming off

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Speaker 5: the field and he's like, he feels great. I think

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Speaker 5: that he probably could do more. I think they're just

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Speaker 5: being judicious about it because you don't need to prove

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Speaker 5: that you can throw the ball more at OTAs we

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Speaker 5: want you throwing the ball when it matters. But I

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Speaker 5: think there's a chance that we could see him do

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Speaker 5: some team stuff before we break here for the summer.

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Speaker 2: I don't need to see any of it. I don't

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Speaker 2: need to see any I think that there is. I

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Speaker 2: do think that it's that it was a very good

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Speaker 2: job of our PR department for making the media availability

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Speaker 2: on a day he threw, because otherwise it seems like

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Speaker 2: that you have something hidden behind things or whatever. So

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Speaker 2: just now they've seen it in a way, you go.

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Speaker 2: I also think that it is incumbent on those that

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Speaker 2: cover and what you see on social and all of

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Speaker 2: those things to understand this, what Deshaun Watson is on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: May thirtieth is damn near irrelevant. Yep, it is almost

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Speaker 2: irrelevant that really what is where this He is in

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Speaker 2: a rehabilitation process. He's not a finished product. This is

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Speaker 2: not what he's going to be in August. This is

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Speaker 2: not what he's going to be in September, October, November, December.

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Speaker 2: When it really matters. This is a quarterback who had

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Speaker 2: a major throwing shoulder injury surgery and is rehabbing from it,

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Speaker 2: and with rehab comes steps and benchmarks and things that

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Speaker 2: you're trying to do. So jumping all over what happens

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Speaker 2: on an individual throw here or there is quite honestly nonsense.

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Speaker 2: It really is because he's building towards something he isn't finished, right,

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Speaker 2: And to not have that context, I think sometimes there

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Speaker 2: isn't that context. It's like, if there's a couple of

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Speaker 2: throws going aroundhere, he overthrows Elijah missus him wide or whatever,

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Speaker 2: it's like, that's not what it's about.

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Speaker 5: I made a bunch of nice throws too, That's not

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Speaker 5: what this is about.

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Speaker 2: But it's not what it's about right now. Whether he

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Speaker 2: makes really nice rows now or poor throws now, none

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Speaker 2: of that. It's what it's about. He's rehabbing. He's in

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Speaker 2: a rehabilitation process.

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Speaker 5: What I think is most important is watching this offense

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Speaker 5: and watching the scheme. And I know Ken Dorsey talked

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Speaker 5: after the OTA today and.

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Speaker 2: We got Schwartzy coming up in the two o'clock.

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Speaker 5: We got Schwartz coming up at two o'clock, so we're

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Speaker 5: gonna have we got I think it'd be very I'm

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Speaker 5: curious to hear what he said because we had to

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Speaker 5: come up here obviously when when that was happening. But

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Speaker 5: you know, you can tell this offense has, like we

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Speaker 5: had some four receiver sets out there today. You've got

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Speaker 5: this is gonna be a quarterback friendly shotgun offense. That

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Speaker 5: it's what Deshaun does very well, and Jamis's optimated very

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Speaker 5: effectively in his time here. Also you know, and Dorsey

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Speaker 5: today was the one on the headset with them. So

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Speaker 5: I don't know if he was asked about that or

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Speaker 5: if that's an indication of anything, or if they're just trying.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's OTAs.

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Speaker 5: Maybe you call it one day, I'll call it one

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Speaker 5: day and we'll go from there. But it was you

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Speaker 5: can tell that there's a lot of excitement there and

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Speaker 5: comfort there. What else you see what else jumped out

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Speaker 5: from receivers. Elijah looked great, had a couple of really

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Speaker 5: nice routes. Cedric Tillman looks much better, much improved, and

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Speaker 5: I hope that you know, look, he's got shorts on

626
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Speaker 5: right now. You hope that that carries over. But had

627
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Speaker 5: a nice route in a man covered situation against m J. Emerson,

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Speaker 5: got open on a third down for a nice pass

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Speaker 5: from Jamis. Had a nice catch in the contested catch

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Speaker 5: touchdown in the end zone. So he looked, he looked

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Speaker 5: really he looked really good. Denzel Ward looks phenomenal. MJ

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Speaker 5: looks phenomenal. Those two guys were out there today. Devin

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Speaker 5: Bush can fly around the field. That's very apparent. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and you know what I like, Deontay Foreman I've kind

635
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Speaker 5: of said that from the second we signed him, but

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Speaker 5: getting to see him, he runs a lot like Steven Jackson,

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Speaker 5: so he's like a little upright, but he's just a big,

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Speaker 5: strong guy and obviously was drafted by the Texans with Desham,

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Speaker 5: so there's another piece of familiarity mentioned for Abel.

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Speaker 2: Obviously. Yep.

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Speaker 5: In Houston, it's it's fun. It looks like the team

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Speaker 5: is having fun together. They are getting obviously very well coached.

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Speaker 2: We know that.

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Speaker 5: And it was interesting today watching Kevin Stefanski because, as

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Speaker 5: I said, Dorsey was the one on the walkie talk

646
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Speaker 5: call on the plays and he was just kind of

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Speaker 5: head coach and spend some time here with the offense going,

648
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Speaker 5: spend some time with the defense, some time of the

649
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Speaker 5: special teams do and walking around kind of seeing it all.

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Speaker 5: At one point and I don't know really what it means,

651
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Speaker 5: he presented Luke Whipler with an Orange quarterbacks jersey, and

652
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Speaker 5: so Whippler walked off the field wear in an Orange

653
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Speaker 5: fifty six and he said, I was like, what's up, dude.

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Speaker 5: I was like, what's the story here? And he's like,

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Speaker 5: I coach just gave it to me and said I'm

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Speaker 5: playing I'm gonna be playing some quarterbacks. So he's a

657
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 5: he's got an Orange fifty six, which was pretty funny.

658
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's one of those things where you know,

659
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: you you put a little wrinkle in for some fun

660
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: and OTAs and they throw a sudden centers are playing

661
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: quarterback a center option. Yeah.

662
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a big deal the offensive line and

663
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 5: Room was very excited about it, very excited.

664
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. That's that's really good. The the this

665
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: was the one where you were where it's really about

666
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: to Shawn and being able to see him sling it

667
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: a little bit and uh some Again, it's a rehab

668
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: process and that's where he's in the middle of right now.

669
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: And as you said, some really good throws out there. Uh,

670
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: some of the other ones are good to be expected

671
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: as well, because that's where you're at. You you mentioned

672
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: U Dorsey mentioned the four wides. Uh, the thing with

673
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: Tillman that would be I mean, I hesitate even going

674
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: down this road just because you know, unfortunately we had

675
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: goodwin last year and then that was derailed because because

676
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: of the health concerns and the issues. But like he was,

677
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: the story of OTA's last year was his ability to

678
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: get deep and he would do it every single practice.

679
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: But if Tilman can develop into you know, what he

680
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: was kind of drafted to be, because he's got a

681
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: body type that nobody else has. He looks different than

682
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: anybody else ever see and so he would give you

683
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: something that that you are kind of lacking. Maybe you'd

684
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: give you that big body in the corner of the

685
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: end zone and and if he can make those type

686
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: of plays, then that that could be a game changer.

687
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 5: Well he would allow you too in some of those

688
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 5: if we do do some four receiver sets to you know,

689
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 5: put if you go two by two to put him

690
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 5: on the outside and then you can put a Mari

691
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 5: and Judy on the inside. You can put a Mari

692
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 5: and Elijah on the inside, Judy and Elijah on the

693
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 5: inside and create difficult matchups. Or if you go three

694
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 5: by one, you can get him on the outside. You

695
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 5: have the two guys inside and then you get a

696
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 5: Mari on the other back end of that, and you're

697
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 5: going to have now dictating coverage and what they're going

698
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 5: to be able to do. So I think him coming

699
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 5: along and he's a good blocker in the run game,

700
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 5: and so a lot of these run plays when you're

701
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 5: running againt slider boxes in a more spread out formation,

702
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 5: going to come down to wide receiver blocks down the

703
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 5: field if they're really going to pop. So yeah, I

704
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 5: think it would be it would be great to see

705
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 5: him continue to develop. Elijah looks great today. I think

706
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 5: this is an offense that's going to suit him. I

707
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 5: actually got to talk to him as well. You know,

708
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 5: it's gonna be a lot more about route running in

709
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 5: this and getting guys who can get themselves open choice routes,

710
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 5: option routes, whatever you want to call them, where they're

711
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 5: reading everybody's reading the same thing, and then they have

712
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 5: an opportunity, you know, break it in, break it out,

713
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 5: and read. The coverage will dictate it, but also their

714
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 5: ability to separate will dictate it. So I think there's

715
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 5: gonna be a lot of fun stuff like that. And

716
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 5: we have an Amari, Elijah, and Judy, three guys who

717
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 5: are elite against man coverage and their ability to separate.

718
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: So I think there's gonna be fun stuff.

719
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 5: And then if you're that good against man, now you

720
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 5: force them to play a bunch of zones and when

721
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 5: you know that that's what they're doing then all of

722
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 5: a sudden for a quarterback, you know where the soft

723
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 5: spots are in the zones and you know how to

724
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 5: attack them.

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745
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: I did want to share this with you last day

746
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: of school with the boys, so I want to share

747
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: this story with your spirit animal I had last night,

748
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: so I texted you. We did go to Costco, and

749
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: I had no reason to believe that he'd we were.

750
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: I'll tell this story really quickly and then we'll get

751
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: to the one that's even better. So we waded out.

752
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: The person's pretty good. We're walking by the like the

753
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: condiment aisle and he sees q PI. I think it is.

754
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: I really wasn't even sure what it is, but it's

755
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: a It is a type of mayonnaise. And so he

756
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: goes to me. He goes, what is that? And I

757
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: said it's mayo, and with he goes, ew, gross, I

758
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: hate mayo, which I know you hate mayo. Hate it.

759
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: I had no idea he hated men. Of course he does.

760
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: So one more thing linking the two of you. So

761
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: we get in the car. There's few things he likes

762
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: more than Costco. He loves He's We go there about

763
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: once week. He goes ninety percent of the time with me.

764
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: It's just me and him, and he's so comfortable there

765
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: that he will really just run off and go anywhere.

766
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: And he treats it almost like his giant playground, honest

767
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: to God. Like he'll run to the stuffies and then

768
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: he'll run over to the pool supplies, and he's running

769
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: to the meats, and he's real big on the snacks.

770
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: I usually let him pick up. He will eat any

771
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: sample that's there. He'll try anything, like I don't need

772
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: anything at home, but there, if it's there, he's got it.

773
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 2: They had some sweet spicy salsa that and he doesn't

774
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: like spicy things, so maybe he'll grow into that. But

775
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: he fired that in, gave it a shot. No hesitation

776
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: at home, no chance, so pure joy.

777
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 5: My uncle Steeviee Boy used to he would go and

778
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 5: with his kids and they would just go to Costco

779
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 5: and they'd like go there just to hit the sample circuit.

780
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: I saw somebody doing that about a month ago. I

781
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: was there and they were doing the sample circuit without

782
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: a cart. Yeah, and I thought that's that takes some

783
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: onions to not at least throwing the olive oil in

784
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: buy something something. No, none, They were just walking around

785
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: eating the food. It was crazy. Yeah.

786
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 6: So we get in the car.

787
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 5: Now I know two people who do it, Uncle Stevie.

788
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: So we get in the car and I really wish

789
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: I was recording it. I really wish I would have

790
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: set up I should have thought about this, but just

791
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 2: kind of came to me and I did it. So

792
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: I said, listen, you're getting older. Your mother and I

793
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: are going to have a conversation with you and your

794
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: brothers at home tonight, and I want to give you

795
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: a heads up about it because I don't want you

796
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: to be overly dramatic or distressed. And he goes, okay, okay.

797
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: I said, I think you're getting older and I think

798
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 2: you can handle it, and he goes okay. And I said,

799
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: you know, we talked to a lot of people in

800
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: the education world, and the feeling is that two and

801
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: a half months off is too long and that you

802
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: guys will lose a lot of what you've learned this

803
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: year not do this. So I go What we decided

804
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: to do is to give you guys some summer school,

805
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: So it's going to be noon or it's going to

806
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 2: be eight to noon from June fifteenth through the end

807
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: of July. And as I'm saying, his face is just

808
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: sinking dropping. This is mean, it was unbelievable.

809
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 5: So then so then this is like when he scared

810
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 5: him at Halloween.

811
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: I can't live it, an't record that too. So then

812
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: I started to Then as I kept going, like, I

813
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: started to crack because I was dying because of how

814
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: pissed off he was getting. And it was a mix

815
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 2: between pissed off, it's sad. What was your wife doing?

816
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: She wasn't there? Just me and him? Oh no, he's

817
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: giving him a heads up because I'm going to give

818
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: him a heads up because I didn't want him to

819
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: be over to lead dramatic when we got it home

820
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: and do it, because I don't think the other two

821
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: would have bought it. I think they would have saw

822
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: through it. He's like the last age that would kind

823
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: of buy it. And he goes he just goes, oh,

824
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: come on.

825
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 6: What the heck?

826
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 2: That's what he said was his response to it, because

827
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: are you serious? I hate school? Why would we want

828
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: to do that? And he just get like was really

829
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: impressive and yelling, and I'm like, I finally like even

830
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: had like a little bit of a tear as I'm

831
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: sure at the notion that I was going to put

832
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: him into board school. It would have been unbelievable if

833
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: I had it recorded. So I finally started laughing. I

834
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: broke it to him, and then he finally but then

835
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: it took like six is you're kidding, right, Dad? Are

836
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: you really kidding? Like, don't screw around with that? And

837
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: so that was if I would have had a camera

838
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: and it would have been an all timer, it really

839
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: was remarkable, really remarkable. I'm going to tell you something.

840
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 5: You do a few things that are right out of

841
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 5: the book of Padar.

842
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: That's so question. I do several things for my own enjoyment. Yes, yes, yeah,

843
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: there's no doubt. Yeah that was so that was a

844
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: good one for him there. Yeah. That So today's the

845
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: last day and then away we go, away we go

846
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: the way we go around the league. Jalen Waddell three years,

847
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: eighty four point seventy five seventy six guaranteed they're going

848
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: to pay fifty eight million dollars to two receivers. They're good,

849
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 2: they are good.

850
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 5: That's what the that's what they do down there. Yeah,

851
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 5: it's a good deal for him. Jayalen Model has been

852
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 5: incredibly productive. His combination with Tyreek Hill, it's probably the

853
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 5: best one to two in the league, or it's certainly

854
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 5: in It's.

855
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 2: Pretty comparable to Chase and Higgins.

856
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 5: Honestly, Wattle's been better than Higgins, I think ever has been.

857
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: Do you think Wattles Jay Morrison? Who Oh, my wife

858
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: was listening. She said, I didn't know you did that

859
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: to PAXI. That was so mean, so mean, agrade. It

860
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: was rough, it was it was unbelievable.

861
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 5: I mean, Wattle three straight thousand yard seasons. His best

862
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 5: year was seventy five, thirteen, fifty six and eight. So

863
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 5: here's a little head to where Tea is.

864
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll pull up Higgins. Uh well, last year he

865
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: was hurt.

866
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 5: So they got what three years under their belts together,

867
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 5: Higgins and Chase. Yeah, No, Higgins and Wattle. Wattles played

868
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 5: three years in the league.

869
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Higgins has played four years in the league. Last

870
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: year he was hurt. So Higgins went sixty seven nine

871
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: oh eight thirteen point six a reception, six touchdowns. Year one,

872
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: seventy four, ten ninety one, fourteen point seven six touchdowns,

873
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 2: year two, seventy four, ten twenty nine, thirteen point nine

874
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: seven touchdowns year three, and then last year he was

875
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: six fifty six five touchdowns fifteen point six per that

876
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 2: was in eleven games.

877
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, different styles, I would say, but yes, yeah, it's.

878
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: Interesting because the two Miami guys are stylistically pretty similar. Yeah,

879
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: whereas as Higgins is quite a bit different than Chase.

880
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: They actually make a pretty good kind of a good

881
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 2: mix the two of them off of each other. Are

882
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: they starting to think that he will end up there

883
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: or no? So this is where they are with it,

884
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: and it's kind of a wild thing, Like they're basically

885
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: betting on it being in. So they're paying him to

886
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: the franchise tag twenty one million, they're betting on it

887
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: being incumbent of him to ball out so that he

888
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 2: gets paid next year and then they will either tag

889
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: and trade him again or let him walk for a third.

890
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: But there is they're nowhere near like he wants to

891
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: be in like that twenty five million a year thing.

892
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: Like I think he would love to have the Wattle

893
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 2: deal with clearly the Wattle deal, but even the Nico

894
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: Collins deal. I think he would take the Nico Collins deal,

895
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: but I think they're more in the lines of like

896
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one million range with so maybe that's

897
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: three years sixty with fifty some guaranteed, and Higgins wants

898
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: to be up in the three seven three for seventy five.

899
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: I just don't know.

900
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 5: He's he's shown that.

901
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 2: It's hard to know because when Chase doesn't play, he's

902
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: electrically good. Yeah, you know, yeah, so it's hard to

903
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 2: you know, he only had the one year without Chase,

904
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: and that was Burrow's rookie year and Burrow got hurt, right,

905
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: So he's never really had like he's never been like

906
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: that guy with with Burrow and Chase, you know, so

907
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 2: like it's when Chase isn't gone though he's he goes nuts.

908
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: So we'll see. I just think it's interesting that their

909
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: whole philosophy is like franchise, let them walk, take compensatory picks,

910
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: like they did that with Baits. Like these are dudes

911
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: and they're not re signing them and they're not structuring,

912
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: and they're just letting them play out contracts assets and

913
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: then you just walk like it benefits us. But it's

914
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: just a strange way to do business. I think it's

915
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: a very strange way.

916
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 5: And I mean Bates, Tyler Boyd left, Bates, Waynes left

917
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 5: like Bates went and he was first of all pro

918
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 5: was that's right?

919
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? In Atlanta and at defense. Yeah, and they they'd

920
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: been doing the same thing with him where he had

921
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: the he had the holdout, showed up for the second

922
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: like preseason game, then balled out, got paid by Atlanta.

923
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: But it's like, I don't know, if you have Jesse Bates,

924
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: it's an asset. Yeah, So even if you don't want

925
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: to pay him, would make a deal.

926
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 5: I mean, he's not Ed Reied, So I don't want

927
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 5: to say, but it would be as if the Ravens

928
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 5: mantra was, oh, yeah, we've got Ray Lewis and Ed Reid,

929
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 5: but I don't we really don't want to pay him.

930
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna let them walk. Yeah, and we'll take a

931
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: third round pick, take a third round pick in exchange. No, Yeah,

932
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's who needs them, don't need him?

933
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 7: Uh.

934
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 8: C J.

935
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: Strouds ruins the Pro Football Writers Good Guys Award. Among

936
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: the finalists, Joel but Tonio CJ. Is a good guy,

937
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: So it is Joel.

938
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 5: Joel's It's that's a that's a strong win for a rookie.

939
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 5: I feel like Joel's built up that capital over many,

940
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 5: many years.

941
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: I think probably the way.

942
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 5: I do, like CJ on podcasts or in speaking situations

943
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 5: where he's got another player who is clearly less equipped

944
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 5: to argue with him and he just crushes them like

945
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 5: he did Michael Parsons.

946
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really bright. Yeah, he seems like he's very bright,

947
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: he's very grounded, he's really earned, He's worked his butt

948
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: off for everything he's earned, and he just was a

949
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: lot better than I think. The other thing with with

950
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: CJ was is nobody expecting to me that good that quick,

951
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, And he really was pretty exceptional. And I

952
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: don't know why.

953
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 5: I mean against Georgia was Ohias, right, and it was

954
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 5: because of Haskins and Fields.

955
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, well they they weren't the guys

956
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: who were wide open all the time.

957
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 5: So the best receivers in the world, right, which is fair.

958
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 5: He just happens to also be very good. Yeah, it's

959
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 5: kind of like Joe Burrow was throwing to the best

960
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 5: group of receivers and yeah, it turns out Joe Burrow

961
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 5: is also really good. Yes, it can be both, right,

962
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 5: most certainly can be.

963
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: Juwan Jennings signs a two year deal fifteen point four

964
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 2: million to stay in San Francs.

965
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,479
Speaker 5: Two years, fifteen monts, which is not a huge deal,

966
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 5: but it's not a nothing deal. No, do you have

967
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 5: any guests as to his statistics in twenty twenty three.

968
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: I don't want to do guess this. Guess is you

969
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: want to do it?

970
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 5: Gibbet I like a challenge, all right, Juwan Jennings receiving statistics.

971
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 2: I like him twenty twenty three.

972
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 7: I'm gonna say he caught thirty five balls okay, for

973
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 7: four hundred and twenty three yards okay, and three touchdowns.

974
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 7: But he had a big didn't he have a touchdown

975
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 7: in the Super Bowl?

976
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: He must certainly did.

977
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 5: Thank you, good job at you give it, good job

978
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 5: out of you give so his his totals for this

979
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 5: past season nineteen catches, two hundred and sixty.

980
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: Five yards, one touchdown. Wow.

981
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 5: But in the playoffs in three games in the playoffs,

982
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 5: he caught ten balls for one hundred and eleven yards

983
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 5: and one touchdown.

984
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 7: He he's just a guy that stands out on the field.

985
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: He's big.

986
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, he uh, it's interesting. That's it's a pretty good

987
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 5: deal for him, seven and a half a year based

988
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 5: on what he has produced from a statistical standpoint.

989
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: I know my dad is.

990
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 5: Pleased about it. My dad loves Juwan Jennings. My dad

991
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 5: thinks there should be a lot more Jawn Jennings action going.

992
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 5: But that's a good contract for him because it really

993
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 5: hasn't been a whole lot in terms of and he's

994
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 5: not a special teams player, so good job for good

995
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 5: for him.

996
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: I did not see this on the I didn't see

997
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: the story, this Isaiah Bugs story. I don't like it.

998
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: I want any part of it more legal.

999
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 5: Oh no, yeah, no, no, no, thanks no, I'll if

1000
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 5: he did it, I hope he gets in a lot

1001
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 5: of trouble.

1002
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all right, Coming up next, defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz.

1003
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1010
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Speaker 2: of your Cleveland Browns defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz. How much

1011
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: of you, know, to.

1012
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 8: Say, carry over from the I mean you have a

1013
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 8: lot of guys back on that on your side of

1014
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 8: the ball. How much have you noticed maybe an ease

1015
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 8: coming into you know, picking things up and you know,

1016
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 8: being able to maybe a faster start to to the

1017
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 8: to the offseason program.

1018
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean we're obviously in a different spot because

1019
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 9: we have a year in the system. So I think

1020
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 9: what that affords us is the ability to work on

1021
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 9: more change ups. Like we're a fastball team, right, we

1022
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 9: do what we do, we try to do it really well.

1023
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 9: But there were some things that we sort of held

1024
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 9: back last year just from a standpoint that we sort

1025
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 9: of triaged it and said, Okay, what can we reasonably

1026
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 9: expect to get good at and to master in one

1027
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 9: off season?

1028
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 6: So we had to sort of pick and choose.

1029
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 9: But that now gives us a little bit of time

1030
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 9: because now we don't have to work on the fastball

1031
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 9: now we can you know, we can, you know, we

1032
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 9: can add different pitches and you guys will get tired

1033
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 9: of my baseball analogies, but really that's that's what it is.

1034
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 9: We don't want to get away from the fastball, but

1035
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 9: it does give us a chance to work on some

1036
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 9: change ups and some secondary pitches and add.

1037
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 6: To our scheme.

1038
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 9: You know, like just in general, over my years, it

1039
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 9: seems like you you sort of, I guess, rotate twenty

1040
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 9: percent of your schemes every year. Right, Some things fall

1041
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 9: out of favor, some things lose their effectiveness, and then

1042
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 9: there's some new things that start trending across the league.

1043
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 6: So I mean that's just natural. But I do think

1044
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 6: there's some.

1045
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 9: You know, some things that we can get to that

1046
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 9: we purposely sort of held back a little bit last year.

1047
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: Well, TI to we talked to Kevin last week.

1048
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 10: He said, you and he watched the film together and

1049
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 10: saw a lot of improvements that could be made.

1050
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: So how did what would he be talking about? What

1051
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: you have to you have to get that?

1052
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I think, well, first of all, you

1053
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 9: start with red zone, right, you know, we we played

1054
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 9: really well in a lot of areas. Red zone wasn't one,

1055
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 9: and you know, you sort of dice that up a

1056
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 9: lot of different ways. And you know, red zone is

1057
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 9: one of those things that you don't get a ton

1058
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 9: of reps on. So you know, whatever you flip a coin,

1059
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 9: limited number of times it can change.

1060
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 6: It's funny.

1061
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 9: I was watching a team this morning that was a

1062
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 9: top red zone defense and I'm watching and in one game,

1063
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 9: the opponent finished by taking a knee in the red zone.

1064
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 9: That's a red zone win for the defense on the stats.

1065
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 9: You know, there was another that they busted a coverage

1066
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 9: receiver was wide open, dropped the pass, red zone win.

1067
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 9: Defense really didn't do anything to deserve that. There was

1068
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 9: another one where they kicked the field goal at the

1069
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 9: end of the game to win the game. Well, that's

1070
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 9: a red zone win for the defense on the stats.

1071
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 6: So you gotta be careful a little bit about that.

1072
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 6: But that being said, we weren't good enough in the

1073
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 6: in the red zone.

1074
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 9: We we you know, we had too many misses there

1075
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 9: and you know that's certainly an area that we can

1076
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 9: improve on.

1077
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 6: But you know, we're a defense. We tend to you guys,

1078
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 6: hear me.

1079
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 9: I don't talk a lot about our position our defensive

1080
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 9: rankings or things like that, because we sort of judge

1081
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 9: ourselves against ourselves, right and just because you know whatever,

1082
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 9: we were number one in an area or number five

1083
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 9: in an area.

1084
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 6: It's all about like us and our improvement as opposed

1085
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 6: to what the rest of the league is doing.

1086
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 9: So, you know, coming off of a pretty good year

1087
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 9: of defense, you know, when you look at the film,

1088
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 9: there was a lot of room for improvement, not just

1089
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 9: in red zone, but in a lot of different areas.

1090
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 9: So you know, that's that's sort of the challenge. We

1091
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 9: can't get complacent. We can't think that last year is

1092
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 9: going to mean anything. Right now, last year means nothing.

1093
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 9: Everybody's right down to the bottom of the hill again

1094
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 9: and you've got to climb it again. I think think

1095
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 9: we're in, you know, a little bit like the first question.

1096
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 9: We're in a little different spot just because we have

1097
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 9: some experience in the defense. But we can't think that anything.

1098
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 9: We can't act as if anything's going to carry over

1099
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 9: from last year. We have to stay hungry that way,

1100
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 9: go ahead to January.

1101
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 7: The company line has been it was a bad day

1102
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 7: to have.

1103
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 2: A bad day. Yeah, can you add any more insight

1104
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 2: as you.

1105
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 6: Reflect, you know.

1106
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 9: We yeah, we looked at a lot, you know, and

1107
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 9: obviously we're a high risk defense, right, We're not a

1108
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 9: bended but don't break team, you know. We we put

1109
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 9: a big emphasis on making plays and being aggressive. And

1110
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 9: my biggest takeaway from that was we we chased plays

1111
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 9: in that game, right, instead of letting the plays come

1112
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 9: to us and making the plays that were there.

1113
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 6: And I thought for the most part of last year,

1114
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 6: we did a really good.

1115
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 9: Job of that, you know, And in that game, we

1116
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 9: missed an interception fairly early in the game, and it

1117
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 9: just seemed like we were pressing and guys played a

1118
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 9: little bit out of character instead of just doing their

1119
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 9: job with physical toughness and effort and some personality. All

1120
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 9: of a sudden, we played a little bit out of

1121
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 9: character and we start of pressing, And hopefully that's a

1122
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 9: great learning experience for us the next time we're in

1123
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 9: that situation.

1124
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 6: And I think the message is, you know, when you get.

1125
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 9: In those in those games, it's who can be themselves

1126
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 9: the best. And I think that that that wasn't that

1127
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 9: wasn't us when it came to like just letting plays

1128
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 9: come to us. You know, you could see it you

1129
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 9: could see it on film quite a bit. Guys were pressing,

1130
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 9: Guys were trying to make the play of the game.

1131
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 9: And you know, we learned a very hard lesson and

1132
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 9: we played. We paid a dear price for that. Hopefully

1133
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 9: we can use that to our advantage as we as

1134
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 9: we go forward.

1135
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 11: Jim, when you mentioned chasing plays, I think I have

1136
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 11: an idea what you made you play can because a

1137
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 11: couple of that huzzards show up.

1138
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 9: Well yeah, I mean like it's a quarterback scramble and

1139
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 9: and you drop your coverage to try to try to

1140
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 9: get to quarterback, or you jump the first move or

1141
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 9: receiver trying to make an interception, or you run under

1142
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 9: a block because you're trying to make a tackle for

1143
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 9: a loss. I think you know you saw all those things,

1144
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 9: you know pop up. You know you're you're playing a

1145
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 9: deep zone and you get a little bit antsy because

1146
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 9: you're trying to, you know, trying to play tight and

1147
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 9: you know, make a play that maybe isn't yours to make.

1148
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 9: We have an expression on defense we call it don't

1149
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 9: farm land.

1150
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 6: It's not yours. And you know we we, like I said,

1151
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 6: we made that mistake.

1152
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 9: We paid a very dear price for that, and we

1153
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 9: can't do anything about it now, but hopefully we can

1154
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 9: learn from it and the next time we're in that situation,

1155
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 9: you know, we can we can play better as a result.

1156
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 11: Did you mean a lot of that was just you

1157
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 11: had a lot of guys who don't have a ton

1158
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 11: of playoffics. We obviously have some bets who do, but

1159
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,479
Speaker 11: it's their first time or one of their first times

1160
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 11: in those stakes that you're more prone to kind of

1161
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 11: want to go big or go home on those.

1162
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, no excuse for it. You know, I don't want

1163
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 6: to put it on that.

1164
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 9: You know, I think I think the I think the

1165
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 9: the intention by the players was good, you know, and

1166
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 9: and I'll just put it on players. There were a

1167
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 9: couple of times in there that even as a play caller,

1168
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 9: I started pressing right, the game started getting away from

1169
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,479
Speaker 9: us a little bit, and I started pressing it's like, oh.

1170
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 6: Let me doal this up.

1171
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 9: See if it and you know a lot of times

1172
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 9: that's it just makes things worse. So you know, there's

1173
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 9: there's a lot of that happened. But I wouldn't consider it.

1174
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 9: I wouldn't let us off the hook by just saying

1175
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 9: you know it was it was guys not having experience.

1176
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 6: We had a lot of experience playing big games. That

1177
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 6: one we didn't we didn't play the way we should.

1178
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 12: Have it all around, And how do you think he

1179
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 12: might be able to help you?

1180
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 9: And just in terms of the defense side, Yeah, I

1181
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 9: mean I've been very vocal about the respect I have

1182
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 9: for Braves and you know, the relationship that we have,

1183
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 9: and you know, I think it's it's it's awesome to

1184
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 9: have different sounding boards, having guys with experience in you know,

1185
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 9: different things. I know he's been a big help to Kevin.

1186
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 9: Kevin's been pretty vocal about that. And you know, have

1187
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 9: you guys talked to Bubba yet? Yeah, I'm sure Bubba's

1188
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 9: said the same thing.

1189
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 4: You know.

1190
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 9: Anytime you can add experienced guys that have Coach of

1191
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 9: the Year trophies, I think it's a good thing for us.

1192
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 7: In addition to McCloud, you have Jordan Hicks who played

1193
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 7: for you Philly and he's in a pretty pivotal role,

1194
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 7: will probably be what the quarterback of the defense.

1195
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 2: In the middle.

1196
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 9: How comforting is that to you and how that manifest Yeah,

1197
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 9: you know, do have some experience with Jordan.

1198
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 6: I have a lot of respect for Jordan.

1199
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 9: You know, he's had a lot of success in the

1200
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 9: NFL in a lot of different schemes. You know, rookie year,

1201
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 9: he played in one schame in Philly, and then continue

1202
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 9: with me, I think for either, I think it was

1203
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 9: three years, change schemes, you know, Arizona, change games, Minnesota

1204
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 9: twice had sort of scheme change, and he's remained.

1205
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 6: A good player through all that.

1206
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 9: So I think the familiarity with the scheme is probably

1207
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 9: a little bit overplayed. But I would say this about

1208
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 9: about Jordan. Number one, he's a playmaker. Number two, he

1209
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 9: is an outstanding communicator, and we lost a lot of

1210
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 9: communication and leadership with losing SIONI and losing a walk.

1211
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 9: So it's going to fall to Jordan to pick some

1212
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 9: of that up. And you know, he's got a great

1213
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 9: track record of doing those kind of things.

1214
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 3: And the difference was between the home and road performance

1215
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 3: of defense.

1216
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 2: Any thoughts on what's going on there?

1217
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, that's another thing we looked at real hard.

1218
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 9: I think first the first thing that needs to be

1219
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 9: said there, I think it's a good thing that we

1220
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 9: play so good at home, you know, I mean it's

1221
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 9: like okay. But but then again, you look at it

1222
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,959
Speaker 9: and it's like, okay, if the splits were we played

1223
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 9: good at on the road and.

1224
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 6: Great at home. Okay, But.

1225
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 9: We looked at a lot of different ways, and I'll

1226
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 9: give you just one example. There was no difference at

1227
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 9: all between our pressure rate at home or on the road.

1228
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 6: Right, our pressure rate was almost identical, but our sack

1229
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 6: numbers were way up.

1230
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 9: At home as opposed to on the road. You know,

1231
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 9: we we dice it a lot of different ways. You know,

1232
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 9: we had a game at the end of the season

1233
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 9: that we were trying to get through to the playoffs.

1234
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 9: So it's like, okay, well, let's scratch that game and

1235
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 9: see where it was. The first Houston game. You know,

1236
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 9: we were getting ready for a Thursday night game. The

1237
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 9: game was pretty much in hand. We emptied the bench,

1238
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 9: and okay, so some of those stats, okay, let's throw

1239
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 9: those away. Okay, there was some games we had, you know,

1240
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 9: a couple of key injuries. Let's try to throw those away.

1241
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 9: Even I'm sorry, even when you get rid of those things,

1242
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 9: the splits were still there, right, you know, the splits

1243
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 9: were still there. And we looked at play calling and

1244
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 9: it's like, Okay, I don't think I called it different

1245
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 9: at home or.

1246
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 6: Away, but let's take a look at it.

1247
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 9: Our percentages of Man's own blitz were pretty much identical

1248
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 9: for Man and our home and away. So, you know,

1249
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 9: I think that in some ways it's something to keep

1250
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 9: an eye on, it's something to you know, for us

1251
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 9: to continue to emphasize.

1252
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 6: But you also don't.

1253
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 8: How much have you noticed a carry over from the

1254
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 8: I mean, you have a lot of guys back on

1255
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 8: that on your side of the ball. How much have

1256
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 8: you noticed maybe an ease coming into you know, picking

1257
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 8: things up and you know, being able to maybe a faster.

1258
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: Start to to the to the offseason photo.

1259
00:57:54,160 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, we're guson. I'll give you just one example.

1260
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 9: There was no difference at all between our pressure rate

1261
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 9: at home or on the road. Right, our pressure rate

1262
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 9: was almost identical, but our sack numbers were way up

1263
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 9: at home as opposed to on the road.

1264
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,439
Speaker 6: You know, we we dice it a lot of different ways.

1265
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 9: You know, we had a game at the end of

1266
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 9: the season that we were trying to get through to

1267
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 9: the playoffs. So it's like, okay, well let's scratch that

1268
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 9: game and see where it was the first Houston game.

1269
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 9: You know, we were getting ready for a Thursday night game.

1270
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 9: The game was pretty much in hand. We emptied the

1271
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 9: bench and okay, so some of those stats, okay, let's

1272
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 9: throw those away. Okay, there was some games we had,

1273
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 9: you know, a couple of key injuries. Let's try to

1274
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 9: throw those away. Even I'm sorry, even when you get

1275
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 9: rid of those things, the splits were still there, right,

1276
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 9: you know, the splits were still there. And we looked

1277
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 9: at play calling and it's like, okay, I don't think

1278
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 9: I called it different at home.

1279
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 6: Or away, but let's take a look at it.

1280
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 9: Our percentages of Man's own blitz we're pretty much identical

1281
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 9: to for Man and our home and away.

1282
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 6: So, you know, I think that in some ways it's

1283
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 6: something to keep an eye on. It's something to you know,

1284
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 6: for us to continue to emphasize.

1285
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 9: But you also don't want to overreact, right, you know,

1286
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 9: you're talking about basically six and a half games, and

1287
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 9: it's like, okay, does this does this change or does

1288
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 9: this does this mean that we should change things on

1289
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 9: the road or should we just have more time on

1290
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 9: task and and keep persevering. And I sort of tend

1291
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 9: toward the ladder on that. No, I don't think that

1292
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 9: was it at all. Yeah, I don't think that was

1293
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 9: it at all. I mean I think that again you

1294
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 9: have to you have to take some of those games

1295
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 9: and say, Okay, well is this like what what's the

1296
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 9: circumstance the last Cincinnati Again, what's the sense certain ccumstance?

1297
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 9: Should you be judging on that? Probably not, you know,

1298
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 9: like a couple end games. But then again, like there's

1299
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Speaker 9: other things, and you know, again there's some stuff that

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Speaker 9: maybe you don't want to overreact to. Again, pressure rate

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Speaker 9: almost identical home in a way our sacks will way

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Speaker 9: up at home. Is that just is that just you know,

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Speaker 9: sort of the way the ball bounces or is there

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Speaker 9: more to it?

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Speaker 6: Again?

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Speaker 9: I probably think that's just a little bit more on

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Speaker 9: the way the ball bounces. But we need to continue

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Speaker 9: to play well at home. We're a good home team,

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Speaker 9: and we need to pick our game up a little

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Speaker 9: bit on the road. And you know, we're in the

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Speaker 9: energy defense too, right, And I think if you watch

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Speaker 9: our film, you see guys play with a lot of

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Speaker 9: energy and you know, camaraderie and those kind of things

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Speaker 9: that's easy to do at home. We have a great

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Speaker 9: crowd for that, and that's easy for our guys to accomplish.

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Speaker 9: You can ssider to bring your own juice on the

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Speaker 9: road a lot of times, and I think we.

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Speaker 6: Can do that.

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Speaker 2: In fact, that you play better quarterbacks.

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Speaker 9: We looked at that too, and we looked at quarterback raiding,

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Speaker 9: I mean slightly better, slightly better, and like again, like

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Speaker 9: we we had some sometimes we had a few more

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Speaker 9: injuries on the on the road.

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Speaker 6: I don't think any of it excuses it or any

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Speaker 6: of it explains it all a way it would be.

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Speaker 9: It would be one thing to say, Okay, well we

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Speaker 9: just had you know, some really tough offenses on the road. Well,

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Speaker 9: but that's true, But you have tough offenses at home too,

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Speaker 9: you know. I I think we're we're We're obviously still

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Speaker 9: work in progress there. It's on our radar, but we

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Speaker 9: don't wanna put it so much on a radar that

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Speaker 9: we we take away from what we did well and

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Speaker 9: change the things that we do that.

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Speaker 6: Uh we do well?

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Speaker 11: What does Jack says there breach to the table and

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Speaker 11: uh is there a little change of philosophy.

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Speaker 8: Upfront with cam or Howard can still do?

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Speaker 9: No, really, no change in philosophy, weren't a tag team

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Speaker 9: up front. Jacques has experience in that. Jack did ah

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Speaker 9: Bill Walsh internship when I was in Philly and that

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Speaker 9: was his first introduction to it. I thought he did

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Speaker 9: a really good job and Houston last year. I have

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Speaker 9: some guys on that staff that know him really well.

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Speaker 9: He brings a former player perspective. He brings a lot

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Speaker 9: of energy here. He is a very demanding coach. He

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Speaker 9: played the position in the NFL for a long time.

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Speaker 9: He's got experience in a lot of different ways. And

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Speaker 9: probably the biggest thing that I want to say respect

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Speaker 9: about jaqu Jacques played nine or ten years. I'm not

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Speaker 9: sure exactly what it is, but when he started his

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Speaker 9: coaching career, he started at the bottom. And there's a

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Speaker 9: lot of guys that play along in the NFL that

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Speaker 9: would like to get into coaching, but they feel like

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Speaker 9: they should they should like start at the top, and

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Speaker 9: Jacques started.

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Speaker 6: At small school.

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Speaker 9: He started with internships, worked his way up from an

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Speaker 9: assistant D line coach to a D line coach, and

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Speaker 9: I think that journey says a lot about him that

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Speaker 9: he's willing to He was willing to be a beginner again.

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Speaker 9: He was willing to start at the bottom, and I

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Speaker 9: think our players will. I respect that and I know

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Speaker 9: our players will too. I'm really excited about adding Jock.

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Speaker 9: I think I think that's going to be a big

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Speaker 9: addition for some defense.

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, yep, all right, there you go, your defensive

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Speaker 2: coordinator Jim Schwartz at the podium. We play a little

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Speaker 2: thing or not a thing around the league, some bold

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Speaker 2: predictions and coming up a little bit later, it is

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Speaker 2: a mail big Thursday edition of the program. Get your

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Speaker 2: questions into Gibbe and we will handle those coming up

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Speaker 2: Hi will go make it a Cleveland Browns Daily. We're

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Speaker 2: brought to you by bally Bet. Time for a little

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Speaker 2: thing or not a thing. Hello Gibbe, Good, Hi buddy.

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Speaker 2: How you doing? Man? Oh? You know, rolling through a Thursday?

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Speaker 2: We are, we are rolling through a thing.

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Speaker 7: Uh, do you want to hear from MAYJ Hawk and

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01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 7: Pat McAfee talking about Mike Vrabel today a practice that's

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Speaker 7: the franchise.

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Speaker 12: Sure there's a fired coach that is now a consultant advisor,

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Speaker 12: maybe just a tag team partner of the Cleveland Browns. Uh,

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Speaker 12: Mike Vrable is on the field at OTAs. This comes

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Speaker 12: via John Sable who works at Fox eight News in Cleveland,

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Speaker 12: and he actually says there if there was audio, he said,

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Speaker 12: I'm punching that out as soon as.

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Speaker 2: You get it.

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Speaker 12: Could you imagine having Vrabel just hanging around the team.

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Speaker 12: What a weapon for the Cleveland Browns. This seems genius

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Speaker 12: for Stefanski.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder.

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Speaker 10: I'm sure as the season goes too, like Rabel's roll

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Speaker 10: will morphine change and he's gonna like, right now you

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Speaker 10: see him running the cards for like scout team defense,

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Speaker 10: trying to get the offense.

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Speaker 2: Imagine he's old lineman.

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Speaker 10: Like what he's saying to these dudes, Like how he's

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01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 10: talking to them about how he's going to dominate him

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Speaker 10: if he wanted to put his helmet on and run

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Speaker 10: right through him, Like I bet Brave's gonna bring a

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01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 10: lot of value to this team this year.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, let me let me tell you what he's saying

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Speaker 6: right here, ready and sack. That's what he screamed.

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Speaker 12: That's why he he just screamed right there in the

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Speaker 12: middle of that particular rep. But I mean, what a

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Speaker 12: weapon this guy's going to be for the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 12: I would actually put this as something that would heighten

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Speaker 12: two to three. I think two more games winning games

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Speaker 12: with Evan Vrabel just hang around. He's got no real

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Speaker 12: responsibility other than make the team better. Right, That's what

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Speaker 12: we assume with these rules.

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Speaker 2: That's what it feels like, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: I mean, what is this?

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Speaker 10: What do we know what his title might be?

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Speaker 2: I don't even know.

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Speaker 12: Is it senior consultant or yeah, hey when you're paying

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Speaker 12: the Tennessee Titans are But he's gonna be hanging around.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what he's thought.

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Speaker 10: Can you have as many consultants as you want in

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Speaker 10: the NFL?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 10: I know in college there's all different kinds of rules

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Speaker 10: they have.

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Speaker 12: Okay, so I think I talked to Shainstichen about this.

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Speaker 12: I think there is a max that you can have

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Speaker 12: in the entire thing. Now, college there's different titles that

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Speaker 12: are allowed to be on the field. I'm not allowed

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Speaker 12: to be on the field. Who can they talk to?

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Speaker 12: How can they talk to? How many hours can they

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Speaker 12: talk to? In the NFL, I think there is a

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Speaker 12: max amount of coaches you can have. I don't know

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Speaker 12: about consultants or advisors. Okay, yeah, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 12: because he would advisor fall under consultants or are those

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Speaker 12: two separate things, because then you can kind of double

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Speaker 12: them up. Yeah, because you're gona have the assistant to

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Speaker 12: the assistant.

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Speaker 6: Bingo, and that can kind of slip in there.

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Speaker 12: I assume there's this has been handled though, because teams

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Speaker 12: have tried to do this too much and some other

1444
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Speaker 12: billionaire got pissed that his team wasn't doing it, so

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Speaker 12: they had to make a rule. But Vrabel seems like

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Speaker 12: the perfect one, especially an Ohio guy going back to Cleveland.

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Speaker 10: Good for them, dude, good for the bro He's he

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Speaker 10: grew up not too far from there, so yeah, I

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Speaker 10: mean I can imagine like Braves will get a ton

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Speaker 10: of cheers if he gets to go on the field

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Speaker 10: for game that. I hope he is in the sideline.

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Speaker 6: They better intro him.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, last or bring him out last, lead out high

1454
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Speaker 10: school uniform? Does Walsh jesuit high school uniform?

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Speaker 6: What don't wear that?

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Speaker 12: And then have him put those glasses on, smash that

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Speaker 12: guitar like he's the mizz you know before those Cleveland

1458
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Speaker 12: Browns games and let all of Ohio go crazy.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty great. I was at Walsh to last weekend

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Speaker 2: for Beamsy's lacrosse and Mike donated a bunch of money

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Speaker 2: and they desired there's their weight rooms. Incredible that he

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Speaker 2: that he helped design and oversaw. It's unbelievable what they've done.

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Speaker 2: That's really cool. It was really cool, and I think

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Speaker 2: that's part of it, right, Like he's back home. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's back home. He's not at any NFL team, He's

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Speaker 2: at the hometown team.

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Speaker 5: Right, and he's having a blast out there. Yeah, that

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Speaker 5: was big takeaway from today's Ota. What a good time

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Speaker 5: he's having. It's funny they mentioned the scouts team cards.

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Speaker 5: Bubba said, he's so good at He's getting us better

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Speaker 5: looks in practice because he knows he can tell these

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Speaker 5: guys exactly what they need to be doing on the

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Speaker 5: scouts Like this is you know, Mike Rabel telling them right,

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Speaker 5: not something right, not a quality control coach who's like,

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Speaker 5: I think you do this.

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Speaker 2: He's like Rabel's like.

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Speaker 6: Do this, do that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So good? Huge advantage it is. It's a big advantage,

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Speaker 2: all right, little thing or not other thing? Give it? All?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Shall we?

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Speaker 7: From Judy Batista NFL dot com, her bold predictions for

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Speaker 7: the twenty twenty four season. We'll see if you agree

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Speaker 7: or disagree. The Bears make the play offs.

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Speaker 2: Thing or not a thing? Bishop not a thing barely,

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Speaker 2: not a thing barely. I think they're right there. I

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Speaker 2: think that division, I think two teams in that division

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Speaker 2: are gonna make it. I think it'll be Detroit and

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Speaker 2: Green Bay. I really could see them. And the other

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Speaker 2: thing too. You have to remember with the NFC is

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Speaker 2: there's gonna be some teams that are gonna lap the

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Speaker 2: field a little bit like the Niners are gonna lap it. Mark.

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Speaker 2: You can almost talk I can almost talk myself into

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Speaker 2: three of them. They're right on the edge. I'm just

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Speaker 2: gonna say no, just because they're the Bears and they

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Speaker 2: can't have nice things, so I think they're just gonna

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Speaker 2: miss it. But I could see them going nine and

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Speaker 2: eight or ten and seven.

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Speaker 5: The girl, it's a thing, baby, yeah, baby, doll baby,

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Speaker 5: I'll teet it up with the general manager of the

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Speaker 5: Chicago Bears yesterday. Oh really, and he's feeling he's he's

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Speaker 5: bullish obviously Bears fan. I'm Browns fan first and foremost,

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Speaker 5: but he's bullish on the Bears. I think it's a thing.

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Speaker 5: I think they'd have too much talent. I think you

1505
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Speaker 5: look at it. I only think one team's coming out

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Speaker 5: of the South. I think it's possible.

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Speaker 2: That you get.

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Speaker 5: Two teams out of the West, possible, And it's possible

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Speaker 5: you get two teams out of the East. So I

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Speaker 5: do think it's in play. You could get all three

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Speaker 5: out of there.

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Speaker 2: Because very much in play. I mean you just laid

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01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 2: out the scenario. Yeah, they they absolutely could do it.

1514
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 7: The Jets make the playoffs and lose in the divisional round.

1515
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 2: I love this thing.

1516
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 5: I mean, if Rogers plays the season, they will make

1517
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 5: the playoffs, and then to have them lose right away

1518
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 5: it would be great.

1519
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 2: Bishop Uh. Yeah, I mean it feels like it could

1520
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 2: be a thing for sure. They have a really good roster.

1521
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,839
Speaker 2: He missed a whole year though, and he's in his forties,

1522
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 2: so yeah, you know, I guess Manning wasn't that old.

1523
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 2: Manning was in his mid thirties when he missed that

1524
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 2: whole year with the neck. Yeah, and then he came

1525
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 2: back in his lights out.

1526
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,560
Speaker 5: That was a much different injury in the sense that

1527
01:09:55,680 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 5: that neck, it felt like affected as he went on

1528
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 5: and on as he got older, affected his arm strength.

1529
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:08,440
Speaker 2: It did, but it didn't right away because he was unbelievable.

1530
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 2: The next year he Yeah, maybe the best season quarterbacks

1531
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 2: ever had, right.

1532
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 7: Uh bo start with you. The Eagles returned to the

1533
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 7: Super Bowls. Saquon just misses eclipsing two thousand yards from scrimmage.

1534
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 2: I think not a thing. I don't think they returned

1535
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl, and I don't think Saquon is

1536
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 2: going to just miss eclipsing two thousand yards. They'll be fine.

1537
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 2: They'll be There'll be a playoff team for sure. But

1538
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 2: I mean, Saiquon had to stay healthy throughout. And plus

1539
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 2: they have Hurts who does all the running like this,

1540
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 2: it's too spread out to go two thousand yards for

1541
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 2: one guy. D nat double. Not a thing, agreed?

1542
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, next Cowboys make the playoffs but exit early, fire

1543
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 7: McCarthy and hire Belichick for twenty twenty five.

1544
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 5: I don't see Belichick and Jerry Jones coexisting, but I

1545
01:10:59,160 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 5: want this.

1546
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 2: To be a thing. That's so I'm saying thing. I

1547
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 2: think it's the only place, honestly, he could coach is Dallas.

1548
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 2: I think it's the only place it would hire him

1549
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 2: at this point. How is that possible? He's just getting old.

1550
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,560
Speaker 2: I just don't know how they coexist. You know, he

1551
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 2: co existed with Belichick or with Parcels, and that's when

1552
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 2: he was much younger and had much more ego, Like

1553
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 2: he could do it. But I don't know that I

1554
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 2: could see it happening, like in the middle of this season,

1555
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 2: like forget waiting until they've screwed it up. Like if

1556
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: they get off to I don't know what their schedule

1557
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 2: looks like, but if they were to get off to

1558
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 2: a slow start, could I see Jerry bouncing him and

1559
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 2: bringing in Belichick right away? Yeah?

1560
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 7: Oh baby, I'm going to combine these next two Bishop

1561
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 7: for you. Bengals make the AFC Championship but lose to

1562
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 7: the Chiefs who three peat.

1563
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 2: Well, I'm never picking against the Kansas City Chiefs again.

1564
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 2: So I've done. I've picked for them, and that's always

1565
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 2: been a very, very sound bet. The Bengals making the

1566
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 2: AFC Championship Game is entirely predicated on Joe Burrow's health.

1567
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 2: If Joe Burrow is healthy, that's what they do. They've

1568
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 2: two years healthy AFC Championship Game, Super Bowl. Is Burrough healthy?

1569
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't know. I like our chances

1570
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 2: in there by the way as well, So I say,

1571
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 2: not a thing, but it would be really hard to

1572
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 2: not and I'm not at the beginning of the year.

1573
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 2: Be hard not to say, Kansas City do super three peat? No,

1574
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 2: not a thing?

1575
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, up next, Kirk Cousins plays the whole season, Pennick

1576
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 7: stays on the bench, and Wilson, I'll go to the

1577
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,959
Speaker 7: next one. Next, Kirk Cousins plays the whole season, Penick stays.

1578
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 2: On the bench. Thing or not a thing? Thing, Yes,

1579
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 2: love it, agreed. I think he plays the whole year.

1580
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 2: Penn plays well, Neil will play well. Down there. Hennix

1581
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 2: isn't gonna play for like four years. I think it

1582
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 2: would be less than that, but I don't think it'll

1583
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 2: be next year.

1584
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 5: If Cousins is good, he's gonna play at least three years.

1585
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 2: Maybe it could be two. He could start to start.

1586
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 2: He takes age wise too, though, you know he takes

1587
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 2: the playoffs.

1588
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, from the land of hot dog water. Russell Wilson

1589
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:01,799
Speaker 7: bench for Justin Fields.

1590
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 2: Thing are not a thing, Bishop. Yes, it'll happen at

1591
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 2: some point. It'll happen at some point, and I wouldn't

1592
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 2: even be surprised if Fields wins it right away. I'll

1593
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:11,719
Speaker 2: tell you, if I could pick any place for Hard Knocks,

1594
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 2: it would be there.

1595
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 7: Yes.

1596
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 2: I would love to see how that what what is

1597
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 2: going on behind the scenes, what those practices look like,

1598
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 2: how Wilson and Fields are coexisting, how Fields is right,

1599
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 2: how Fields is winning the locker room, which is going

1600
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 2: to happen without a question. He's in alpha, and how

1601
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 2: Russ despite that, is still the guy. I just think

1602
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: Tomlin mandaged all that. There's a thousand layers to it.

1603
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 2: I'd love to see Hard Knocks that this year.

1604
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 7: Do we know they haven't announced that They're never done it.

1605
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 7: They're doing the aren't they doing the Giants?

1606
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 2: They are? I'm not in I don't need that.

1607
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 5: That's to me, like, you know, that's what we do

1608
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 5: with Unleashed, That would be forth watching it was your team.

1609
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, But like the teams already do that, so I

1610
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 2: don't need an NFL films of that. But Hard Knocks,

1611
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 2: by the way, I didn't like the nd season Hard

1612
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 2: Knocks either. It wasn't interesting. I like the Hard Knocks

1613
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 2: the way that it is, yeah thing or not a thing.

1614
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 7: Derrick Henry gets sixteen hundred rushing yards with Baltimore not

1615
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 7: a thing.

1616
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 6: No, you know what.

1617
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 7: I want it to happen, absolutely, because that means they're

1618
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 7: not giving the ball to the MVP that can run

1619
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 7: the football.

1620
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that he didn't know, and I don't think they

1621
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 2: would want that. If he run somebody sixteen hundred yards,

1622
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 2: I would say that'd be a long season for them.

1623
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 5: They want him, They want him carrying it three hundred times, supposedly,

1624
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 5: Oh for god six last year he carried it two

1625
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty times. He hasn't had a sixteen yard

1626
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 5: season since twenty twenty.

1627
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 2: That's not happening. Not happening, a thing or not a thing.

1628
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 7: Final one Hardball and the new look Chargers pose him

1629
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,919
Speaker 7: an immediate challenge to the Kansas City Chiefs.

1630
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 2: Is a girl.

1631
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 5: I don't think that's a thing. But I think they

1632
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 5: are gonna contend for a playoff spot.

1633
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,719
Speaker 2: I think one thing that is, we did this sits yesterday.

1634
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 2: Where were they on the over unders. Weren't they like

1635
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 2: six and a half or seven and a half something

1636
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:04,600
Speaker 2: like that.

1637
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 7: I think they were higher. I think there were nine

1638
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 7: and a half. Yeah, Chargers eight and a half or

1639
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 7: eight and a half or nine and a half?

1640
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 2: Were they? Really, it's here, it's been thrown up. It's

1641
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 2: been throwing eight and a half eight and a half

1642
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 2: or it was it was around nine. It's either eight

1643
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 2: and a half or nine and a half eight.

1644
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 6: And a half.

1645
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 2: I like them over that, and I think they I

1646
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 2: think they'll win. I think he'll win right away. But no,

1647
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 2: they're not a serious challenge or in Kansas City. But

1648
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 2: I think that well, he could coach everywhere he goes.

1649
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 2: They win right away. I mean he had that loll

1650
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 2: in the middle of the of the Michigan tenure around COVID.

1651
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 2: But at the beginning the end of the Michigan tenure

1652
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 2: he won. He just didn't beat o highest state at

1653
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 2: the beginning and then he beat him at the end.

1654
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 2: So like look when he did in San Francisco right

1655
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 2: away he did it at Stanford, they beat usc when

1656
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 2: he was at Stanford. He can win, he can win.

1657
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 2: He'll bring a culture and they'll be in an accountability

1658
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 2: and they'll win for about five years and then yeah,

1659
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 2: then you gotta get out. You gotta get out. But

1660
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 2: it'll work in the time that he's there at the beginning.

1661
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 2: That's thing or not a thing for a Thursday. There

1662
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,040
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Speaker 2: three zero two nine. Hello gibbe Hi, gentlemen? Or are

1672
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 2: you buddy? How'd you play? Last? Still in the lead

1673
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 2: Winter by another? Are you are you playing?

1674
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 6: Are you?

1675
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 2: Are you just on fire? Yep?

1676
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 7: I huh, I'm playing well enough. There have been a

1677
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 7: couple of weeks that I had no business winning, but

1678
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 7: you play well enough to win it. I had some

1679
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 7: great shots last night. I had a Part three I

1680
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 7: stuck at four and a half feet from the pin.

1681
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 2: Let's go get off the trombone, gibbee.

1682
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 7: I feeling pretty good. Of course, right about the time

1683
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 7: I get to feeling really good, I'll put the clubs

1684
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 7: away in the middle of July because we'll have training.

1685
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking by in the next couple of years,

1686
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 2: you guys will be putting the clubs away middle of June. Right,

1687
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 2: you can go straight to hell.

1688
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, that would, honestly, I would just like I might

1689
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 7: have the bootsy reaction to that the day that that

1690
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 7: just told me, Oh, come on, come on, why would

1691
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 7: you do that?

1692
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's not be stupid for a little fella.

1693
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 11: I know.

1694
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 2: He's just got such a name, he said, be humbled

1695
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 2: a little bit. He's running around, never any boulevard of

1696
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 2: green lights. Every once in a while, get scared a

1697
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 2: little bit. Hey doesn't get it good.

1698
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 7: You gotta you gotta remind him who's in charge sometimes.

1699
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I gotta remind him that there's sometimes things

1700
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 2: happen that are unforeseen. And if that if those type

1701
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 2: of reminders also enjoy and lead to my entertainment. That's

1702
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:12,759
Speaker 2: a win for everybody.

1703
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:18,719
Speaker 7: You're right, Yeah, I see no issues.

1704
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 2: It's amazing. I mean not god if I I don't

1705
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 2: know if that or me knocking on the after trick

1706
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 2: or Treating knocking on the window in the Jason mask.

1707
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what would have been more funny to

1708
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 2: see on tape sprinting, I had three, I had two

1709
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 2: in tears. I had sprint one gone gone like a missile,

1710
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 2: one just went fielders.

1711
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 7: And we've never we've never punished Bootsy.

1712
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 2: No, And I don't even know what happened to the mask,

1713
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 2: Like I put the mask someplace and it's gone, so

1714
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 2: I don't even know where it is. Your wife's got

1715
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 2: all that out. Probably she was like, no, it was

1716
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 2: really realistic. It was amazing. He never got the snacks punishment. Huh,

1717
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.

1718
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's been a no snacks punishment because we needed that.

1719
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 2: No, it hasn't because I mean he hasn't. He's been

1720
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 2: since that was he. I don't know if I told

1721
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: him made it. I could see you telling him on

1722
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 2: one of your little one of your little U the Fortnite.

1723
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: I we got to get on there. I communications with

1724
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: him about it. It's been a while. I could see that,

1725
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Speaker 2: letting him know that that was possible to keep it

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Speaker 2: between the navigational beacons. Yeah, I didn't. I don't know.

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01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 2: It's going to happen this summer. I mean he's for sure. Yes, yes,

1728
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 2: he's going to be up late. He will have had

1729
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 2: that's coming. It's coming. Yeah.

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01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 7: You can tweet your questions to at Brown's Underscore Daily

1731
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 7: Time for the mail Bag.

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Speaker 2: Preston.

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01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 7: Apple Music released their top one hundred albums of all.

1734
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 2: Time recently might have hit that list, Brock.

1735
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 7: What makes an album one of the greatest of all time?

1736
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 7: And what are some of your favorite albums personally?

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01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:02,560
Speaker 2: Well, they don't even do they do albums anymore? I

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01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 2: guess so. Like the two that jumped to my mind

1739
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 2: from a like put it on press play Good Lord

1740
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 2: were Appetite for Destruction with opens with Welcome to the Jungle,

1741
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 2: and then uh Nirvana with the first this smells like

1742
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 2: teen Spirit. Those two when I put them in the

1743
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 2: first time were like, holy cow, that's different than stuff

1744
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 2: I've been hearing man. And then the other one that

1745
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 2: did that was was Dre the Chronic List Chronic Snoop

1746
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 2: Chronic two thousand and one. Yeah, like that first you

1747
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 2: just let's go, we're on.

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01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 5: I don't think we can even say Snoop's album's name

1749
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 5: on this program.

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01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,719
Speaker 2: Probably not. I mean I could, we have seventeen minutes left,

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01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 2: let's not. I easily could.

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01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:03,839
Speaker 7: My first CDs We're Smashing Pumpkins, Siamese Dream.

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01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 2: Very good one. What's the first song on that? Uh?

1754
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 7: I can play in my head and I don't remember

1755
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 7: it's what it's it's one of their main it's the

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01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:20,759
Speaker 7: CD your age.

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01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 2: It's still just a rat in a case. That's the

1758
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 2: infinite And.

1759
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,959
Speaker 7: Then Dave Matthews Under the Table and Dream that's.

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01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 2: Great, That goes man, that's right. That one's awesome. That's awesome.

1761
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: The original Who is the first song one on Under

1762
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 2: the Table and Dreaming is is song one? Ants Marching?

1763
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 7: No? Ants Marching is five? Or in the Down and

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01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,480
Speaker 7: Down in a little bit, it might be Warehouse.

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01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 2: They're they're unbelievable alive. They just crush, Crush, play Forever.

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Speaker 7: Love a Dog Today based on Tuesday Show. I have

1767
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 7: a feeling I know the answer. But what's your stance

1768
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 7: on Big Foot? As I get older, my wanting it

1769
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 7: to exist that way is my belief in the Big Guy.

1770
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 2: Why do we want I wonder why he wants it

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01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 2: to exist. What does he want it for? I don't

1772
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 2: I don't know. I believe in it, so spending as

1773
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,640
Speaker 2: much time as I have in the wilderness, I just

1774
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 2: think it's impossible that we haven't come across it. Yeah,

1775
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 2: I just think it's impossible that we haven't. There's just

1776
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 2: that it's always that one, same walking through the woods, right,

1777
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 2: same luck forever of him.

1778
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 6: Uh.

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01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 2: There was great fun in that though. As a kid though,

1780
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 2: when you would like it was like in the Guinness

1781
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 2: Book of World Records or whatever, and they'd be they'd

1782
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 2: have that same image of Bigfoot, and then that same

1783
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 2: image of the Lockness Monster, and like the thought that

1784
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 2: perhaps those things were real and existed. Yeah, we had

1785
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 2: a former quarterback who believe it, Yeah, pretty big ly. Yeah,

1786
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 2: I want it. I would be fine. I mean, I

1787
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 2: just feel like you would have come across him with

1788
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 2: camera phones. Yes, I feel like we would have come

1789
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 2: across him.

1790
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 7: Kip bruising. Great to hear Bubba today. Here's a picture

1791
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 7: of Bubba with long flowing locks as a Brown next

1792
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 7: to my brother Mark when he coached strength and conditioning

1793
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:08,799
Speaker 7: with the Browns.

1794
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 2: That's really cool. So I want to say kIPS South Dakota,

1795
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 2: South Dakota Brown's back.

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01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, uh silent night. If you were stranded on

1797
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 7: a desert island for a year, would you rather have

1798
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 7: your favorite music to listen to or watch your favorite

1799
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 7: movies till you were rescued?

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01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 2: Movie? Movie? Like question, there's music in movies. Guess what? Yeah?

1801
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 2: And also like you got you Got the Ocean? Yeah,

1802
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,759
Speaker 2: she provides a little music. Yep that no question? Easy

1803
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 2: enough from the clown for Uncle Bo.

1804
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:45,600
Speaker 7: Your early take on OSU football this year and how

1805
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 7: Harbaugh's departure impacts the game.

1806
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: Ohio State and Georgia are the two best teams in

1807
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 2: the country. Texas is second, but it's eighth. They don't

1808
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 2: have any weaknesses. They're completely loaded. They they bought a

1809
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 2: team that is capable of winning a championship. I saw

1810
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 2: Ryan was kind of like bothered that they use that

1811
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,560
Speaker 2: word bot and instead if my advice, dam would be

1812
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 2: instead of being bothered by it, just lean into it

1813
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 2: and say, yeah, we did. We're Ohio State. We have

1814
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,719
Speaker 2: a lot of money, when really good players have come available,

1815
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 2: We're gonna pay them via nil and get them here.

1816
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 2: It's legal now own it. I don't understand the idea

1817
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:18,600
Speaker 2: of shying away free agency. Like own it. You have

1818
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 2: the money, go the hardball loss is why last year's

1819
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 2: Michigan game was so critical. It was the last one

1820
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 2: of its kind. They could play next year. They could

1821
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 2: play in the last game of the season. They could

1822
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 2: play the next week in the Big Ten championship game.

1823
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 2: They could play in the College Football playoff. That was

1824
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 2: their one shot and there won't be another one.

1825
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 5: Quite like that that would carry the weight of multiple

1826
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 5: I mean that.

1827
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was huge. It was the biggest one. It

1828
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 2: was the biggest one probably since Trussel winning there in

1829
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 2: his first one. From a perception standpoint, Chris, I tell

1830
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: you what the kids personalized golf balls are this year.

1831
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 2: Did I tell you this? No? So, Yeah, it's titleists.

1832
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 2: It says twenty twenty what are they twin?

1833
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 5: Twenty four National champ, twenty three National champ?

1834
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah whatever, Probably twenty twenty twenty three national champ beat

1835
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 2: them three in a row.

1836
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 5: Yep, go blue, That's what says on the side of

1837
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 5: his golflin.

1838
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 2: He goes, I lose one. I'm gonna be happy when

1839
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 2: some I do like that. See, that's what the rivalries

1840
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:18,640
Speaker 2: are all about. Yeah, that's beautiful. I love that.

1841
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 7: Real quick, Chris tweets at the show go to summer

1842
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 7: bourbon cocktail.

1843
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 2: Uh, it's very simple. Well, I'll do a quick story

1844
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 2: on it. Did I do this yesterday?

1845
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 6: Yesterday?

1846
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 2: And then I do the story behind it? No shin

1847
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 2: story behind It's this, I'll do it real quick. We

1848
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 2: got a little bit of time. Uh. In the book

1849
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,600
Speaker 2: Pappy land Right Thompson's book on Julian van Winkle, he

1850
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 2: chronicles an instance where Julian's with his son at a

1851
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 2: white tablecloth in Manhattan and they have Pappy Van Winkle

1852
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 2: twenty year and Julian son walks up to the bartender

1853
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 2: and says, I'll have that on the rocks with a twist.

1854
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 2: And the bartender says, sir, I'm so sorry. I can't

1855
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 2: put that on the rocks. And I can't put a

1856
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 2: lemon in Pappy Van Winkel twenty year old bourbon. It

1857
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 2: just it's just not the right thing to do with

1858
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 2: that whiskey. And the Julian son says well, that's how

1859
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:13,560
Speaker 2: he drank it, and that's how his grandpa drank it,

1860
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 2: and his grandpa's pictures on the bottle. So I never

1861
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 2: thought to do that. So I read the book and

1862
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 2: I did it. And we're doing Basil Hayden now, and

1863
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 2: I'd love Basil Hayden. So you take a rocks glass,

1864
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 2: you pour Basil Hayden over the rocks glass, and then

1865
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 2: you do a lemon squeeze, and honestly, not only is

1866
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 2: it crisp and refreshing, but it almost is like a

1867
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 2: like a summer iced tea. It's really refreshing and quite good.

1868
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 2: So that would be my not a cocktail, but just

1869
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 2: a bourbon on the rocks with a twist.

1870
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 5: Yep, it's good, very good. Well, the twist is just

1871
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 5: like the twist of the peel, right of the lemon peel. Yeah,

1872
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 5: just like that with the you don't squeeze, oh no no,

1873
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 5: non actual lemon no no, no, just like this twist.

1874
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 2: And then I'll put it around the rim, yeah, and

1875
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 2: then drop the little slice of the lemon peel in

1876
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 2: rob roy up with a twist. That feels like something.

1877
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 2: It just feels like seventy to order. Yeah, it's perfect

1878
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 2: a Rob Roy. Yeah, probably for the mythology, probably paid

1879
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 2: into it a little bit, just cool to that movie

1880
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 2: gets slept on. It's not bad, excellent the Liam Neeson,

1881
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 2: he's Rob Roy, it's all. It's a good bit as

1882
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:23,919
Speaker 2: it's right there with Braveheart.

1883
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 6: It is.

1884
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't get the love Brave that does. But it's

1885
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 2: it's very good and I think it's I think if

1886
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 2: you didn't see it in the moment, it's praay forgotten

1887
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 2: kind of Yeah, it doesn't get a lot of play.

1888
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 2: Like I haven't seen it's Rob Roy. I have not

1889
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 2: seen it in twenty years at least. All right, so

1890
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 2: much more to come. You'll listen to Clear the bron

1891
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Speaker 2: Zaly on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland, brought to you.

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Speaker 1: By Baalley bed Now Live in Ohio on eight fifty

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Speaker 1: ESPN Cleveland.

1894
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Speaker 2: Coming up tomorrow on the program your fourth Victory Friday Extravaganza,

1895
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 2: we will take a look back on that thrilling win

1896
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 2: oh Man against the Indianapolis India, which there was so

1897
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 2: much going on in that game, from the way it

1898
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 2: started to the way that it finished, everything in between,

1899
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 2: the miles jump, all of it. It says it's gonna

1900
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 2: be a lot of fun, so we'll we will relive

1901
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 2: that tomorrow on the program. The next level is coming

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Speaker 2: up next. Thanks for listening, everybody, Cleveland Browns Daily, eight

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