1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: We will play our debts. How message is gonna get 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: getting from point A to point we We don't know yet. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: I think the Senate is in a place where working 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: in a Bi Parson fashion has become more the norm 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: than the exception. Bloomberg Sound On Politics, Policy and perspective 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: from DC's top names. Raise the depth ceiling, get rid 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: of it all together, and then talk about the very 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: important issue of spending. We're gonna have the first in 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: the nation primary. The Democrats have to figure out what 11 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: the heck they're doing. I think they realized they've created 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: a big mess. Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on 13 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. Joe Biden's move to rewrite the presidential primary 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: calendar maybe d o A. Welcome to the fastest hour 15 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: in politics. Democrats and Republicans in the Granite State band 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: together to block the president's plans. Governor Chris Nunu speaks 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: with Bloomberg News Today. We'll have the latest from Bloomberg 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: Politics reporter Ryan take Back with and from our panel 19 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,639 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor Democratic analyst Genie Chanzano, along with MATC. Gorman, 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: former calms director at the n r c C. Later, 21 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court says it failed to find the leaker 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: following an eight month investigation. Nothing. We'll talk with Bloomberg 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: Supreme Court expert Greg Store on how the leads went dry. 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: President Biden's about to get a letter from some of 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: his closest friends in New Hampshire, home of course, to 26 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: the first in the nation presidential primary. Folks, Primary Day, 27 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: New Hampshire, and I need every one of our supporters 28 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: across the Grant estate to go to the poll. Then 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: candidate Joe Biden in didn't go that well for him. 30 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: As you might remember, Biden came in fifth place. Campaign 31 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: was seen in big trouble till he got to South Carolina, 32 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: and of course that's what prompted him to move to 33 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: rewrite the primary calendar for twenty four, kicking New Hampshire 34 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: later into the year, moving South Carolina up into first. 35 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: Reports from Manchester now say a group of Biden's oldest 36 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: support is in the state, including former Governor John Lynch, 37 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: sending the President a letter it's already in the mail, 38 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: to express how much is at risk for the state 39 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: and the party and it's not only Democrats. I spoke 40 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: today on balance of power with Republican Governor Chris Sanna, 41 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,839 Speaker 1: So it's it's a very bizarre process. And the fact 42 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: that the Democrats are gonna let one of their candidates 43 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: pick where the First the Nation primary goes. I think 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: they're realizing it was a huge mistake. We'll see where 45 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: it ends up, but we're going first. Regardless of what 46 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: Joe Biden thinks her wants. The first Nation primary is 47 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: going to be a New Hampshire sounds like he means 48 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: that we're remembering that New Hampshire has a state law 49 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: mandating that it vote first, so they'll just schedule it 50 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: a week before anybody else, no matter when. And yes 51 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: AWW wrote his own letter to the d n C. 52 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: They asked me for a letter confirming that I would 53 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: change the law in the state of New Hampshire, and 54 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: I wrote a letter back that politely laughed in their face. 55 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: To be honest, it was just ridiculous. So and and 56 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: the Democrat Party here joined me and that the Democrat 57 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: leadership in our congressional delegation. We don't agree on many politics, 58 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: but we're all in law step about what what needs 59 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: to happen, and what the repercussions of them trying to 60 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: pull this away are as you may imagine. The letter 61 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: is quite a read. I have it here, Soonia says, quote, 62 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: you can try to come and take it, but that 63 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: is never period going period two. Period happened, period, he writes. 64 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: It's just not in our DNA to take orders from Washington. 65 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: But look, this is not over Bloomberg National political reporter 66 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: Ryan T. Beckwith reporting on the terminal. Now, the d 67 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: n C Black Caucus is backing the president's proposed changes. 68 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: Of course, part of the argument was to increase diversity. 69 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: New Hampshire is a small white state. Of course, this 70 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: is also the state that helped to make Joe Biden president. 71 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: Ryan's with us right now. As a matter of fact, 72 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: thanks for being here, a great piece, Ryan. The d 73 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: n C meets on this next month. How will it 74 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: actually be decided? I mean to be honest, it's already decided. Now, 75 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: you know some of the blood I talked to you 76 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: don't want me to say that. But there's a very 77 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: very little chance that New Hampshire Democrats are going to 78 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: be able to stop this. And to be clear, they're 79 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: still going to have the first Republican primary in and 80 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: that is going to give the Republican field kind of 81 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: the run of the place really, because even if the 82 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: Democratic primary is held at the same time, UM, the 83 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: state will most likely be stripped of its delegates. Anyone 84 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: participating in the New Hampshire Democratic primary may be barred 85 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: from the debate stage or face other repercussions. So on 86 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: the Democratic side it will be a wash and all 87 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: eyes will be on the Republican side. Now, to be fair, 88 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: that was going to be the case anyways, We really 89 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: don't expect there to be a serious challenge to Joe Biden. Um. 90 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: But the Democrats in the state, you know, their argument 91 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 1: is is the d n C could bar it's top 92 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: spokespeople from coming during the primary, um if it's old 93 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: as expected, outside the rules. UM, So that would give 94 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 1: Republicans really just you know, free reign of the state 95 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: to be aggressively campaigning. And Democrats in the SAT worry 96 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: that would give them a leg up when it comes 97 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: to the general election. Right, this is wife these letters 98 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: are going in the mail apparently, But what about the 99 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: state law? Ryan New Hampshire says, fine, d n C 100 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: can penalize us. But we're holding a primary the week 101 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: before South Carolina, even if it's on Christmas morning, What 102 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: stops them from doing that? I mean, nothing stops him 103 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: from doing that. It just doesn't have to be recognized 104 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: the UM. The d n C rules say very clearly 105 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: that if you hold a primary that's not in accordance 106 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: with its rules, that it can ignore it. Now, this 107 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: happened before. If you recall in Michigan UM there was 108 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: there was a similar sort of kerfuffle. They because the 109 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: delegates in half and uh and still it ended up 110 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: there being some campaigning in the state UH in in 111 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: in spite of that. In in this case, they're more 112 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: likely to go even further and just completely. They would 113 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: just be zero delegates to be one uh from it. 114 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: You know, the members of the state would still get 115 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: to go to the convention, but they wouldn't be counted 116 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: the presidential UH nominee is so they'll be just a 117 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: broad d n C membership vote on this. Is that 118 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: how it comes will be a one day affair. Yes, Now, 119 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: it's already happened that the Rules and by Laws Committee, 120 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: which was where the real fight was, passed this and 121 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: it was kind of preordained because what they did was 122 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: they passed the things things they were removing Iowa, you 123 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: may have remember that. But they at the same time 124 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: said New Hampshire also has to change its voting laws 125 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: to allow early in person voting. And uh, New Hampshire, 126 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: of course as a Republican governor, and Republicans control both 127 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: chambers of the legislature, and they just said basically no. Now, 128 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: I point out that not just said no, but that 129 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: I think governors to New News response, uh in particularly 130 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: in that audience flip you played uh, maybe more of 131 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: a Republican primary moment than a Democratic primary moment, because 132 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: he certainly seemed to relish the opportunity to uh stick 133 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: it to Joe Biden and talk about how, you know, 134 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: fiercely independent he is, and he would certainly be someone 135 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: who might be a contender for the Republican nomination down 136 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: the road. We'll see find Ryan's story on the terminals. 137 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: Great to have you back, Ryan teekback with Bloomberg National 138 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: Political Reporter to get things rolling on the fastest hour 139 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: in politics. As we assemble the panel, I want to 140 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: hear what everyone has to think about this Bloomberg Politics contributor. 141 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: Democratic analyst Ginnie Chanzano is joined today by Matt Gorman, 142 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: vice president at Targeted Victory, former n RCC COMMS director, 143 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: and that's important for this particular conversation. Of course, that's 144 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: the National Republican Congressional Committee, which is tasked with works 145 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: to elect Republicans to the US House. So I've Aslee 146 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: Matt has a bit of experience here with elections. Welcome 147 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: to both of you. Listen again to Chris and new 148 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: New in our conversation today on Bloomberg TV and Radio, 149 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: I asked him about a couple of these things that 150 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: Ryan just said. Are we going to be in a 151 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: world in which there's a separate Republican and Democratic There's 152 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: gonna be two different dates we all go back to Manchester, 153 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: New Hampshire for real, And what if the Democratic primary 154 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: took place and Joe Biden didn't show up, it could 155 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: be I think that again. I think the Democrats have 156 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: made a huge mistake and they're realizing what an error 157 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: that would be and what a missed opportunity that would 158 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: be for them. I think what you're going to likely 159 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: see happen is if they don't change anything. Look Democrats 160 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: are going to challenge Joe Biden. I mean, there's no 161 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: question about that. I think I just don't don't believe, 162 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of folks don't believe that 163 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: the left wing, progressive part of the party is gonna 164 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: let Joe Biden just sit in there for another six 165 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: years and hope for the best. No, they're not gonna 166 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: do that. So you're gonna have candidates coming to New 167 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: Hampshire as Democrats, getting all that free media all that time, 168 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: likely winning the state without Joe Biden on the valley. 169 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: Genie Chanzano, Is Joe Biden going back to New Hampshire 170 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: here or not? What's going to happen when the d 171 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: n C decides next month. First of all, the interview 172 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: with Sanuto is classic, and the reading of his letter, 173 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: I think the periods say it all does not support 174 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: this idea. You know, you know, Joe Biden would like 175 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: nothing more than to skip New Hampshire altogether. That is clear. 176 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: You know, he seems to have a little bit of 177 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: a thin skin. He wants to, you know, go back 178 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: to South Carolina where he won big. He wants to 179 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: skip New Hampshire. Um, you know, I do agree what 180 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: with what would just said, which is the fact that 181 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: Democrats are going to go forward with this plan. They 182 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: were likely strip New Hampshire of delegates and and take 183 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: other actions like that. Um, you know they're willing to 184 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: do that. I think the big you know, doesn't really 185 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: matter on the Democratic side if Joe Biden wants and runs, 186 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: and it looks like we're going to know that shortly 187 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: after the State of the Union. But I think the 188 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: bigger question is four years from now, if they have 189 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: a contested primary, it's gonna map are an awful lot 190 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: to those candidates. Oh Man, Matt Gorman. This is UH, 191 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: first of all, an effort to as I mentioned, increased 192 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: diversity by getting to South Carolina before New Hampshire, which again, 193 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: UH is a very small, mostly white state. There have 194 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,359 Speaker 1: been concerns about presidential candidates being vetted by a population 195 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: that doesn't represent the country, right, But there's another side 196 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: to looking at this also, Matt, and that is the 197 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: hundred year history that this state has had in helping 198 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: to vet candidates with much more involvement in turnout than 199 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: you're likely going to get in South Carolina. So what's 200 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: the right call? Oh, I mean I've been there up 201 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: in New hampshim primary day. They take prideeness absolutely. I 202 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: also worked on I worked on Mitt Romney's campaign. I 203 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: was there in twelve when he won it, uh, the 204 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: New Hampshire primary. And let's remember here, you know, they're 205 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: taking away I I feel like that's almost a fad, 206 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: a compleat right now. And then they excuse was while 207 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: the caucus system doesn't work, yes, right, Uh, and you know, 208 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: and now it's well, it's about versity. It's not the 209 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: South Carolina is not gonna be able to vote. It's 210 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: just gonna actually getting bumped up one in the process. 211 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: I don't understand the need. Uh, it's just very needless 212 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: in my opinion, kind of dumb to totally negate New 213 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: Hampshire because's let's remember to New Hampshire. New Hampshire independence 214 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: vote in the primary. So when you have all this 215 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: free media, Republicans will still be going up there. I 216 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: could guarantee you one of the lines of almost everybody 217 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: that will campaign up there will will say when I'm president, 218 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure that we never make sure that 219 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: New Hampshire is second to anybody first. Yeah, you know, 220 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: I remember being there. It was almost New Year's Day. 221 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: I believe that was two thousand eight, right, it was 222 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: January eight. It was January tenth, four years later. Because 223 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: they don't fool around here, Uh, Matt, if you've spent 224 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: some time up there at the Radisson on Elm Street 225 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: in Manchester, you understand that this is the super Bowl. 226 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: This is actually a huge part of the economy for 227 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: them as well. Jeanie Schanzano is New Hampshire being unfairly 228 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: punished here, You know, I just have to say, I 229 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: I have to sort of having been in Iowa four 230 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: years ago. It was a disaster, So I know, Matt 231 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: maybe suggesting we go back to the Caucus, but they'd 232 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: really have to clean that mess up before I would 233 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: think anybody would want to go back there. But you know, 234 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: we do, I think lose some of the retail politics 235 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: that New Hampshire is so famous for. And again I 236 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: do think that becomes more of a problem when you 237 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: have a bigger primary field, which again if Biden runs 238 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: this time, we don't expect. But I also think in 239 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: addition to racial diversity, something else is at play here 240 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: that's important about South Carolina. It is tended to be 241 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: a much more moderate state, and the Democratic Party of 242 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: Joe Biden in particular is you know, that is the 243 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: portion of the party unlike the more progressive wing that 244 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: does not want you know, these sort of um progressive, 245 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: sort of Bernie Sanders styled types AOC to have control 246 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: of the party. And they do have a lawful lot 247 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: of sway in the primaries, and that's another reason to 248 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: move it to South Carolina. And I do think that 249 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: makes sense because those progressives can't win in the general, 250 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: so why give them so much sway in the primary. 251 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: That is a real concern, and I would say should 252 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: be a concern on the Republican side in the opposite direction. 253 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: So do you guys actually see two separate primaries? Matt? 254 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: The r n C is fine with the old schedule. 255 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: They're already moving ahead with us. So we're gonna go 256 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: up there for Republicans and go back a month later 257 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: or something for Democrats. Well, I guess what I don't 258 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: understand is too well, two things. Uh, if you want 259 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: to moderate it, you want the independence who will vote 260 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: in a New Hampshire primary, they cross over us, you know, 261 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: so that would help moderate it to your point and 262 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: take the power out of you know, the far left 263 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: genius point. But also keep in mind, though that you 264 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: already kind of have two different voting systems. Uh. And 265 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: you have that, and I remember that the Iowa caucus 266 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: for Democrats you're standing around at high school, Jim all night. 267 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: You're going from one group to the other group. Republicans 268 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: you're in and now it's basically it's basically a primary, 269 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: but they call it a caucus. So you've already had 270 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: these kind of dual tracks. It might be not in 271 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: the same state, but how you vote among the two 272 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: parties is drastically different. I want you to listen to 273 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: the sort of concluding thought here by Chris Sunu He 274 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: who really seems to at least publicly think this is 275 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: coming back around. I think it will all work out 276 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: in the end. I really do believe that, whether it's 277 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: the Democrats making a big mistake this year and having 278 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: to come back to reality next time, or actually them 279 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: getting you know, coming to having their come to Jesus 280 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: moment and saying, well, wait a minute, we've made a 281 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: huge mistake here. Let's get everyone on board. Because the 282 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: opportunity in New Hampshire is just too good, all right, 283 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: come to Jesus, Genie. Is Ryan seek backwith right that 284 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: this is already decided? Um? I think it is decided 285 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: for this year. Certainly, Johnson unw he he may well 286 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: be a candidate at some point in twenty four or beyond. 287 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: He would New Hampshire to stay where it is. I 288 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: also think the issue of cost is real here, and 289 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: they talked about this a lot in Georgia to primaries 290 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: is a lot of cost for a state to bear. Sure, 291 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: they get a lot of money into these primaries, but 292 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: I live in a state that has had multiple primaries 293 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: in New York and it is a disaster. It also 294 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: asked an awful lot of people to go out multiple times. 295 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: So I think if you can unify, it is much 296 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: better for the American public who has asked to vote 297 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: far too much as it is. Matt, is it already decided? Yeah, 298 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: there seems to be pretty baked. Um. But again, I mean, 299 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: if you're gonna do it, I guess you know there's 300 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: less risk to do it in a year where Joe 301 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: Biden is running into the incumbent as opposed to it 302 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: for you know, four years ago, or if he gets 303 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: re elected four years from now and there's an open 304 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: one and that's gonna be a lot different. Um. But 305 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: you know, look, I think the economic uh is going 306 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: to be noticeable. You made a great point on that. 307 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: There's gonna be statistics you know in just a few 308 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: months after how much they're in the whole, how much 309 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: Manchester and other actually lost in economic income. Yeah, well, 310 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: the the sales tax back. Hey. Final thought here on 311 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: the conversation with Chris snu I asked him if he 312 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: was going to run for president. He really didn't hold back. 313 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: Folks are talking about me talking about it, and it's 314 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: it's it's im humbled and honor that folks would consider that. 315 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: But um, I think right now my focus is on 316 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: making sure folks realize how good our model here is 317 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: in New Hampshire, how it could translate on a national level, 318 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: and most importantly, where I think the Republicans are missing 319 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: the boat is really talking to that next generation of voter, 320 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: those independent, younger voters that we want to build our team. 321 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: Nobody ever answers the question like that, you're supposed to sit. 322 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: You love your job now, So he's running, I'm Joe Matthew. 323 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg sond On with Joe 324 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. So they can't find the leaker. 325 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: We'll have more on this news from the Supreme Court 326 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: today Ahead on Bloomberg sound On. Brought to you by 327 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: Innovation fund your daily reminder here from Innovation Refunds. It's 328 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 1: time to take advantage of the newly extended employee retention credit. 329 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: Innovation Refunds has helped small and medium sized business is 330 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: impacted by COVID claim over two billion dollars in refunds, 331 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: and they're standing by to help your business get back 332 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: the money it may be eligible to receive. Learn more 333 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: at get refunds dot com. Incredible news today. Eight months later, 334 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: how many interviews a hundred and twenty something does the 335 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: Supreme Court is unable to identify the leaker? Remember the 336 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: person who leaked the draft opinion on Roe v. Wade. 337 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: Let's bring you back a couple of months here the 338 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: day that actually happened. Mitch McConnell, Senate Minority Leader. This 339 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: lawless action should be investigated unpunished, to the fullest extent possible, 340 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: the fullest extent possible. I'm certain the Chief Justice will 341 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: seek to get to the bottom of this. If a 342 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: crime must come at it, the Department of Justice must 343 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: pursue it completely. Not that everyone saw this quite the 344 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: same way. Here's Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on that same day, 345 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: the Supreme Courts, the Supreme Courts looking into that. But 346 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: to compare a leak to taking away the rights of 347 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: over a hundred million women and saying the leak is 348 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: more important, give me a break, Well, forget it. We 349 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: know how that ended. Now. In a twenty page report 350 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: the martial of the Supreme Court, Gail Curly says investigators 351 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: examined the court's aging computer systems for clues the interview. 352 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: As I mentioned, it was actually ninety seven employees, all 353 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: of whom denied disclosing the opinion. She said her team 354 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: was still pursuing a few lines of inquiry, but little 355 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: reason to think those might prove fruitful. Reading from Greg's 356 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: stores column on the terminal and he joins us now 357 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Supreme Court reporter Greg, this could have gone to 358 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: the FBI. They decided to handle this inside the family. 359 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: Was that the wrong move? Well, it depends on what 360 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: the goal was, you know, By keeping it inside the family. Uh, 361 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: they obviously kept control over it and controlled who was 362 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: interviewed and what those people were asked. Um. You know. 363 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: The upshot, of course, is that they didn't find out 364 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: who the leaker was. Um. Maybe that would have been 365 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: different had they gone out to the FBI. But you 366 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: know this, this is a a court that guards its 367 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: its rights and privileges very seriously, and so it would 368 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: have been an extraordinary step to say we need help 369 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: from the executive branch of the government. As you write, 370 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: the report does not say whether the justices themselves were interviewed. 371 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: And I have to admit, Greg, as soon as I 372 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: heard this headline and everybody said, oh my god, we 373 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: gotta call Greg Store, I said, wait, they didn't after 374 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: eight months. Maybe does that suggest that this was someone 375 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: much higher up who might not have been part of 376 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: this process. Well, it's certainly he can't rule it out. Um. 377 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: You know, I I certainly don't want to be accusing 378 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: a just justice of doing it. Um. You know, there 379 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: were a lot of This report talks about a lot 380 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: of the disabilities that the investigators were operating under, including 381 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: the Court's aging computer system that didn't let them kind 382 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: of track everything that had happened within the system. So, 383 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: for example, Uh, they couldn't determine whether anybody had emailed 384 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: a copy of the draft opinion to an unauthorized person. 385 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: That the records just aren't there for that. Um. I'm 386 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: by no means a computer guy. I would have thought 387 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: that would have been an easy thing. I would have 388 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: thought that almost any organization would be able to tell 389 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: if you know, one of their employees sent out an email. 390 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: But apparently that's that's not possible at the Court. Not 391 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: everyone has a terminal. Greg uh Curly said, a few 392 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: people admitted to telling their spouses about the draft opinion 393 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: or the vote count, which is in violation of the 394 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: court's strict confidentiality rules, and people will be punished for that. 395 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: She didn't indicate whether they would be. Um, so we 396 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: don't know, for example, whether they said in the course 397 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: of the investigation. You know, look, we're not looking to 398 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: punish you for that sort of thing. We're just trying 399 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: to figure out why do you lead. Uh, that's certainly 400 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: a possibility. Um. Uh. You know, there's a lot that 401 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: isn't said in this report about exactly what they did, 402 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: how they went about the investigation. There's plenty in there, 403 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: but plenty of unanswered questions. Interesting to learn from your reporting, Greg, 404 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: The court consulted Michael church Off, interesting, the former Secretary 405 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: of Home and Security, former Federal Appeals Court judged to 406 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: assess the investigation. He said he could not identify any 407 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: additional useful investigative measures. So this is done. Yeah, I 408 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: mean the report from Gail Curly Uh suggests that the 409 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: investigation is still open. She says that there's a few 410 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: other inquiries that were making but really didn't give any 411 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: reason to think that those were likely to be fruitful. Um. 412 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: And given that Michael Trudoff, as you indicated, suggested he 413 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,239 Speaker 1: can't come up with anything else that they that they 414 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: should do, there's not a whole lot of reason to 415 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: think that they were ever going to find the culprit 416 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: unless here see uh decides to reveal themselves. Incredible, Greg, 417 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: thanks for coming in on a breaking story. Greg Store, 418 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Supreme Court Reporter with us on Bloomberg Sound On, 419 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: We turned to the panel for some quick insights on this. 420 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: Jeanie Schanzano and Matt Gorman with US Today of Targeted 421 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,239 Speaker 1: Victory to bring both sides to this issue, Matt, this 422 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: was a big one. I mean, this was this was 423 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: a major deal. To think that the leak like this, 424 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: it had never happened before. Should it go to the 425 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: FBI or do we just walk away from it? I 426 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: think it should certainly should have gone to the FBI. 427 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: Want to happen, you know, I mean, I get it. 428 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: You want to guard the UH, you want to guard 429 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: the sovereignty of the court in the autonomy, if you will. 430 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,239 Speaker 1: But let's face it, it's something like this happened and 431 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: you couldn't get an answer at your workplace or other workplaces, 432 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: and it was serious enough you would absolutely call it 433 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: outside of people. And look, we gotta be honest to 434 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: they talk about Asian computer systems. You know, if they 435 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: can't track you know, emails go into a Gmail, how 436 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: are they going to keep out the Chinese? How are 437 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: they going to keep out foreign actors from hacking into this? 438 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: You know, it makes me a little scared for the 439 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: future too. Genie, if you're still with us, I'd love 440 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: your thoughts on this, because to see this investigation for 441 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: eight months conclude with nothing, it does make you wonder 442 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: about that call. It does, And you know, I do 443 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: agree that I think there should be an investigation, and 444 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: I have long thought there should be an independent investigation. 445 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: They did this internally, and by the way, Curly Gayl Curly, 446 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: she is the Marshal, she works under the justices. So 447 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: that would be as if you are investigating your bosses 448 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: that were not clear, as you mentioned, if they even 449 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: questioned them. So that is a I think a mist 450 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: a number one if and when you really want to 451 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of something, which leads us to 452 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: conclude perhaps they don't really want to get to the 453 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: bottom of it. But you know, we're talking about the 454 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: technological aspects, there's also the security aspects. We're talking about 455 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: aging computer systems. We're also talking about justices like Kavanaugh 456 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: who have been under attack by armed people at their homes. 457 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: They've got to do a better job in the federal 458 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: judiciary of securing everybody working, their personnel and the materials 459 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: that they're working with. So I thought this was a 460 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: very devastating and very brief report for eight months. How 461 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: about that statement from the former president Donald J. Trump. 462 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: Go to the reporter and ask him or her who 463 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: it was. If not given the answer, put whoever in 464 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: jail until the answer is given, you might add the 465 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: publisher and editor to the list. Sounds a lot like 466 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: what he said at a rally the day this leaks. 467 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: You take the writer there it is because you're never 468 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: gonna find another going through phone records. It's been a 469 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: long time. You take the writer and or the publisher 470 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: of the paper, paper, you know, and you say, who 471 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: is the leaker national security? And they say, we're not 472 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: gonna tell you. They say, it's okay, you're going to jail. 473 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: And when this person realizes that he is going to 474 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: be the bride of another prisoner very shortly, Okay, So 475 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: it's a math. It's a laugh line and an applause line. MATC. Gorman, 476 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that would not be legal though. No, Look, 477 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: it would certainly not work. It's against the law. And 478 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: it also would make a martyr out of Josh Kerstine. 479 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: And I think I'll probably ensure that a lot more 480 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: people lead to him. But look, I think also, uh, 481 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, this is a serious breach, and I think 482 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: it really shows Republicans. I think this is gonna be 483 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: sticking their heads for quite a while. They're gonna remember this. 484 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: And in irrespective of the former president's a threat. Mc gorman, 485 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: Jeannie Sanzano, Uh, fascinating conversation as ever, will righten out 486 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: our technical issues as we continue our conversation. Next with 487 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: news not from Capitol Hill on the debt ceiling, but Davos, 488 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: the Senator from West Virginia, thinks he has a plan. 489 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: He talked to David Weston about it. Will bring the 490 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: panel back and listen. This is Bloomberg So No with 491 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. It was a smart call 492 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: right around this time yesterday on this very broadcast. Mia McGuinness, 493 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: who we turned to frequently on all matters budget, from 494 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, floated the idea 495 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: of solving this debt ceiling not with budget cuts, but 496 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: with a fiscal commission that would promise to reform entitlements 497 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: and reform spending when budget season comes next year. Remember 498 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: that I think there are a number of more moderate 499 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: Republicans who will probably get really tired of this discussion 500 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: if it continues to be around. There might be a default, 501 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: but would be really pleased if the discussion is we 502 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: need to do something to control spending or put in 503 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: place a fiscal commission or something more reasonable, and so 504 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: I think they have to figure that out first amongst themselves. 505 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: Maybe Joe Manchin was listening, Yes, the Senator from West Virginia, 506 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: not here in Washington, but in Davos, dancing through the 507 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: snow with David Weston in an exclusive interview this morning, 508 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: floated a very similar idea. Says he's already working on it. 509 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: I'd like to see, really, truly a coalition of a 510 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: bipartisan bicameral Democrats and Republicans putting a group together that 511 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: says we're gonna look at all the trust funds to 512 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: find out the deficiencies when they're going to be insolvent 513 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: and what we can do to prevent that, and then 514 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: basically have a piece of legislation that we're saying, Okay, 515 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: we will make this deal or raise the debt setting 516 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: if you allow us to have give the American public 517 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: a look at what we're dealing with and the recommendations 518 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: will make and have a vote on the floor whether 519 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: it goes up or not. But at least it identifies 520 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: it's serious. But is there an appetite for it? Would 521 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: it even work? What happens next door the house? What 522 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: would Joe Biden say these are questions for the panel. 523 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor Democratic analyst Jennie Schanzano is joined to 524 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: Day by Matt Gorman, vice president at Targeted Victory former 525 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: NRCC Coms Director H Matt. I'd love to start with 526 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: you on this idea here. It's Republican holdouts in the 527 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: House that make this seem unlikely to some. I mean, 528 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: we talked about this yesterday, Congressman Andy Biggs. He said, 529 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: you know, let a default, that's the Democrats fault. They 530 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: made their bed, let them lie in it. So how 531 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: would something like this get through the House at all? 532 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: I think the first step is you gotta hope there 533 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: every everybody forgets where we were ten years ago. This 534 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: is the super committee to point out if you remember 535 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: that in the summer eleven where this is exactly what happened, 536 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: and they were and this was never uh, this never 537 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: came to pass because they even attached automatic spending cuts 538 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: a sequester and they still didn't do anything. So a 539 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: commission with no you know, actual teeth to it, there's 540 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: no way that gets that gets Doney, don't think what teeth? 541 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: Would it be another sequester? We've already went through that. 542 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: I just don't see this becoming law, or if it 543 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: does actually affecting, would it end up in another sequester? Genie, 544 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm all these dreams, all these nightmares are coming back 545 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: to us now, Yeah, they are more like nightmares to 546 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: be sure. Um, you know Mansion is talking about, you know, 547 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: a sort of waxing poetical about Simpson Bowls. But the 548 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, and I do give him credit for thinking 549 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,959 Speaker 1: more positively about potential solutions than a lot of what 550 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: we've heard out of Congress, that's for sure, and about 551 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: reaching across the aisle. But the reality is Simpson Bowls failed, 552 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,959 Speaker 1: and it failed miserably. Why because the spending cuts weren't 553 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, the left wouldn't go with those, and the 554 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: right wouldn't go with the increases needed. It sank And 555 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: does anybody really believe that in we are in a 556 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: position to see the far right and the far left 557 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: come together on something like this with as narrow a 558 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 1: majority as Republicans have. So as much as I give 559 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: him credit for trying to push forward the idea of 560 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: a bipartisan anything, that the reality is tying together the 561 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: lifting or suspension of the debt ceiling with spending is 562 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: a non starter. That is the reality. You've got to 563 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: pay your bills, then you have to have a discussion 564 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: about spending. Senator Mansion was asked by David Weston, of course, 565 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: about the house and his alliance is there, and I'm 566 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: hoping that Kevin. I'm I don't. I didn't tell Kevin 567 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: McCarthy right now. Whatever I can do to help you 568 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: and work with you, I want you to succeed. We 569 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: have well, I want successful two years and how can 570 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: we work. Let's find the things that we can agree 571 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: on and start working on that. I know Joe Mansion 572 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: is popular with some Republicans, but but is he getting 573 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: an in fight from Kevin McCarthy. Does Kevin McCarthy care 574 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: what a senator thinks right now? Uh no. Remember that's 575 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: like the old saying Democrats are the opposition, the Senate 576 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: the enemy, that old saying from the twentieth century. And 577 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: let's remember here too. Um Mansion has it in his 578 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: own incentive to cozy up to mccarth because he's running 579 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: attensively for re election in the ruby red state of 580 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: West Virginia. If you want a chance, cannot be seen 581 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: as being too far left. So what's your gut? Then 582 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: at this point, MATC. Gorman, what happens with this Republican 583 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: caucus and this debt ceiling issue couldn't mean the end 584 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 1: of Kevin McCarthy speakership. Uh, you know, I don't think so. 585 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: I hope not. I think no matter what Republicans, if 586 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: they stay united on no, no raising the debt ceiling 587 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: without any spending cuts, especially those eighteen Republicans and Biden 588 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: one districts, that's gonna say a lot because we've already 589 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: started seeing splintering among Democrats. But if those eighteen folks 590 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: start getting a little wobbly, that's when you know Joe 591 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,479 Speaker 1: Biden has that hand interesting can't offer any more chairmanships. Genie, 592 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: I think that's it was saled. Yeah, those have all 593 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: been doled out, and you know, some of us have 594 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: sort of taken bets to see how many speakers the 595 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: Republicans have this year, because let's not forget we are 596 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: what three weeks in and we are talking in a 597 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: serious discussion about whether he survives us. It is a 598 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: very serious question and he cannot afford to lose anybody. 599 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: And we can see by who he appointed, who he 600 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: is beholden to. And what the White House is betting 601 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: on is that Republicans have been on the losing end 602 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: politically of every one of these fights. I'm in New York. 603 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: The Republican moderates elected here, who gave the Republicans the House. 604 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: Can they really afford to let the United States government 605 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: default because they are unwilling to take the simple task 606 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: of raising the debt ceiling and then having discussion about spending. 607 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: The White House is banking on the fact that they can't. 608 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if they can or cannot, but that's 609 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: what the politics of this thing are. How many speakers 610 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 1: we're gonna have this? This is incredible, Matt. If if 611 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: Kevin mc carthy was in fact removed from the position 612 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: motion to vacate, how dare you make a deal you 613 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: double crossed us? Wouldn't that scare any serious contender away? 614 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: I mean, Steve Scalise would would rather just keep the 615 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: job he has. Right now, I'm guessing, you know, well, 616 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: let's let me use back up for a second, and 617 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: I will say this. I'll give We'll give Kevin some credit. 618 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: I give a lot of credit because remember when about 619 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: Thursday of that speakers, though he went on late Friday 620 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: night that Thursday, early Friday morning, people a lot of 621 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: people in this tower saying he's dead in the water. 622 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: He went into it, gonna be time for him to 623 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: bow out, and look what he did. So he's a 624 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: canny potal co operator who's smarter than a lot of 625 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: people in this town give him credit for. And you 626 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: know what the biggest trade that he has in a 627 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: lot of people don't know about. The guy who's patient. 628 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: He waited and waited and was very page with the 629 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: speakers voute. He knows I don't need to solve this today. 630 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: I don't need to solve this tomorrow. We have some 631 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: time still, and he's gonna wait it out and he'll 632 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: be patient. Watch for that. And you know they're gonna 633 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: use all of the time, a lot of genie. Nothing 634 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: will get this on until, as we did yesterday, we 635 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: fire up the doomsday clock. That's right. So I think 636 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: you know, all the people on the Bloomberg team, all 637 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: these congressional reporters, their summer may and I'm sorry, Joe 638 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: Matthew to say this, the year summer may not be 639 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: as fun as you and your family. You may be 640 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: sitting in Congress waiting for this thing to be resolved. Hey, 641 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: don't you point at me. You're gonna be on this 642 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: broadcast every day as well. Jennie Chantino and Matt Gorman 643 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: our great panel today, we're going to be back with 644 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: a couple of final thoughts. As a President Biden heads 645 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: to California's work on the Central Coast today, touring areas 646 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,720 Speaker 1: devastated by storms and wildfires, and it brings back memories 647 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: to when Donald Trump did the very same thing. We'll 648 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: compare the two aheads on the fastest hour in politics. 649 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg. So 650 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. This is your 651 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: daily reminder from Innovation and Refunds. Your small to medium 652 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: sized business could be missing out on an opportunity to 653 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: claim the Employee Retention Credit. 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Principal Deputy Press Secretary Olivia 663 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: Dalton on the jet last night. As you may have seen, 664 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: the President authorized additional disaster assistants by increasing the federal 665 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: share for debris removal and emergency protective measures of the 666 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: total eligible costs for sixty days. Had the FEMA administrator 667 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: on the plane as well. The President has been touring 668 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: the area on the ground and by helicopter. Uh and 669 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: it's going to be speaking in fact a little bit 670 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: later on following his meetings with the governor. Here, let's 671 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: reassemble the panel for a couple of final thoughts. Jennie 672 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: Chanzano and Matt Gorman are with this, genie. We've said 673 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: it before. This is what Joe Biden does pretty well. 674 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: It is in California a billion dollars in damage. I mean, 675 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: the tremendous rain storms they have had, The damage has 676 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: been dramatic. This is what he does certainly allows him 677 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: to get away from the chaos in Washington, d C. 678 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: I take my favorite part of this was the fact 679 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: that he invited Kevin McCarthy and Kevin McCarthy's line to go. 680 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: That would have been fun, you know, another run to Santis, 681 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: you know, sort of style visit. But it's important that 682 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: he's out there and it's a state that's friendly to him, 683 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: and of course he needs in twenty four you know, Matt, 684 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: if they if Kevin McCarthy had taken the invitation, they 685 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: could add that ceiling hammered out by the time they 686 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 1: got there. That would have been a heck of a 687 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: plane ride to be a fly on the wall if 688 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: that would look doubt you know, and and looking cynically, 689 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: you know a little bit. You know, these do help 690 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: up politic, right, you know. You see, certainly Florida governors 691 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: when it comes to hurricane time, like to Santa's all 692 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: the way back to Jeb Bush, my old boss, you know, 693 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: whether it's also President Obama Chris Christie with Hurricane Sandy. Uh, 694 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: there is a political element to this, let's be honest. 695 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 1: And so I'd be curious to see what it's approval 696 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: ratings are for the week or two interesting. I want 697 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: to bring it back with that in mind to November 698 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: when Donald Trump took the very same trip, got an 699 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,720 Speaker 1: air Force one, went out to California see Gavin Newsom, 700 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 1: tour areas that were devastated by wildfires and the advice 701 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: that had. Of course, he had advice. I'm assuming Joe 702 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: Biden will not. Maybe we'll hear in the speech, but 703 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: he was a regular smokey bear. Can take care of 704 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: the floors. You know, the floors of the forests very important. 705 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,720 Speaker 1: You look at other countries where they do it differently, 706 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: and and it's a whole different story. It was with 707 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: the President of Finland and he said, we have a 708 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,479 Speaker 1: much different where forest nation. He called it a forest nation, 709 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: and they spent a lot of time on breaking and 710 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: cleaning and breaking things and they don't have any problem. 711 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 1: And what it is, it's a very small problem. You know, 712 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: this could have been a whole different career for him. Genie. 713 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: He talked about how we need to rake the forests. 714 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: We're actually gonna go We're gonna brake the woods to 715 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: keep the forest fires from happening. Has that been done 716 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: not as far as I know, God bless him. We 717 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: miss him terribly. Maybe he'll be back in twenty four. 718 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: You play these things, I forget that they even happen. 719 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: Breaking the forest management Matt, who knew? Yeah? Can we 720 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 1: pay the kids around the block to rate the forest 721 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: like they do the leavest? Would that work? I don't 722 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: know that's true. Thank you both for having a sense 723 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: of humor, or at least humoring me. Matt Gorman, great 724 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 1: to have you, Matt, Vice president at Targeted Victory. Genie Schanzano, 725 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: of course, a member of the family. Here, Democratic analyst 726 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor. As we leave you with news that 727 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: we learned during this broadcast. I couldn't believe it when 728 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: Nancy Lyons said this, trying to keep it together for 729 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: the hour. David Cross he has died. He was one 730 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: two time Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee after 731 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: a long illness, according to his wife and the Statement 732 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 1: and Variety, who remember David Crosby on the fastest hour 733 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,240 Speaker 1: in politics. I'll see you back here tomorrow. This is Bloomberg. 734 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:28,800 Speaker 1: Gave Paul the child he was walking along and still 735 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: tell me where I come