1 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: We did it, Cardinal Territory fam. The Saint Louis Cardinals 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five season has officially come to an end, 3 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: and fittingly, we discussed it on episode. 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 2: Number one hundred of this show. 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: What a riode it's been with you all this year, 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: and I'm just so thankful to all of you that 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: have subscribed, watched episodes, kept up to date with the show. 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: It's been super fun to do this with you all, 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: and I'm. 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: Really thankful for it. So thank you. But we'll save 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: the semantics for another time. We're not going to make 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: it an emotional today, No, not at all. On Game 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,959 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty two, the Chicago cub shut out 14 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals two oh to sweep them. The 15 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: Cardinals finished with a seventy eight to eighty four record. 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: They were not eliminated until number one hundred and fifty nine. 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: They exceeded expectations yet also were disappointing, which doesn't make 18 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: a lot of sense, but I think those sentiments mainly 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: come down to if a couple of things had gone 20 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: their way or went a little differently, maybe they sneaked 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: their way into the playoffs. And I think That's especially 22 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: true when you think about that bad stretch of two 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: to three weeks heading into the trade deadline. But this 24 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: team also held their own after that, especially the bullpen, 25 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: my MVP area of the roster. What really sidetracked this 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: team Obviously, it's hard to overcome trading away your best 27 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: three believers, but they did that. What really sidetracked this 28 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: team in the second half was the key players getting hurt. 29 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: No Nolan Arnado and no Brendan Donovan in August was 30 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: brutal for this team. You added missying Alc Girlson for 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: a period of time, Wilson Contreras Mason when not being 32 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: one hundred percent like That's exactly what Allie Marvel pointed 33 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: to after this game about what really was hard for 34 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: this team. But all he did say, and this is 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: something I really do agree with, honestly, that he liked 36 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: the style of play all season long from this team. 37 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: This Saint Louis Cardinals team was a gritty ball club. 38 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: Now hear me out. That was not always reflected in 39 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: the box score and certainly not in the overall record, 40 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: but the way the Cardinals played through these games even 41 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: when they were overmatched in talent, which did happen a lot, 42 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, they have thirty nine comeback wins. 43 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: That doesn't happen by accident. Even this week. 44 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: Like, think about two games this week that stick out 45 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: to me. 46 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: They had that six one rally against the Giants to 47 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: stave off elimination for a day, and then Saturday, they're 48 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: trailing by four on the ninth and they load the bases, 49 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: bring the time run to the plate. Don't worry, We're 50 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 1: not going to talk about the walk, the intentional walk. 51 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: We're not talking about that. But those are two examples 52 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: of just how gritty this baseball team was. And I'm 53 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: not here for moral victories. Fans certainly aren't either. But 54 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: when you're looking to build a culture, having a core 55 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: that is determined, that is as determined as this Cardinals 56 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: team was the series' fight of all of the things 57 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: pointing for them not to be, that's at least encouraging 58 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: heading into what will be a very busy offseason in 59 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: Saint Louis. So. I guess what I'm trying to say 60 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: with my very long opening monologue is no one should 61 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: be happy with a second losing season in three years. 62 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: No one should be happy missing the playoffs for a 63 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: third straight season. No one should be happy with the 64 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: losing record, but the design this year was not about 65 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: wins and losses, as we know. It was about building 66 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: towards the future. The Cardinals can go out and build 67 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: and develop better players. They can go out by trade, 68 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: get some different acquisitions. You can't teach a bunch of 69 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: players who were really this roster was designed to not 70 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: compete with a lot of teams. You can't teach that 71 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: kind of mentality unless you have total buy in from 72 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: this team. And they knew what they were facing, they 73 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: knew what the messaging was, they knew this was a 74 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: transition year whatever, and they still dug in and showed 75 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: some real competitive baseball. That's a testament to the players, 76 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: that's a testament to the coaches, and it gives me 77 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: a little bit of faith going forward that this is 78 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: a group that you might not be able to build 79 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: completely around, but there are some key pieces here that 80 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: will be helpful as the Cardinals in they're rebuilt, which 81 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: should start to take place in less than forty eight hours. 82 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: Let's talk about it, starting with Kyle Lahey, the first 83 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: significant change heading into next year, and also our DraftKings 84 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: player to watch starting in spring training come February. But 85 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: bear with me, all right, let's break it down. We'll 86 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: be right back, all right. Our DraftKings player to watch 87 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: segment is Kyle Layhey. Let me get the overlay up there. 88 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: There we go. Kyle Lae was the starting pitcher for 89 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: today's designated bullpen game. That was by design. He threw 90 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: three scoreless innings, struck out one, did not walk a batterer, 91 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: gave up one single, and then promptly erased it with 92 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: the four to six' three double play in the third 93 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: through thirty nine, Pitches so super. Efficient he Was Kyle. Lahey. 94 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: Okay the only thing that was different was that he 95 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: was doing this to start a game instead of in 96 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: the six or seventh or eighth. Inning, again that is on, 97 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: purpose Because kyle Lay it'll be a starting, pitcher or 98 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: at least excuse, me he will report to spring training 99 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: with the ability to compete. 100 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: For a spot in the starting rotation next. 101 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: Year and this is something that if we watched the 102 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: show a lot or you read on The athletic isn't 103 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: a total surprise because this has always been floated around 104 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: throughout the season as a possibility for The cardinals and 105 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: For lady next. Year but now it's. Official The cardinals 106 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: wanted him to take this start today just so he 107 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: could see what it was like to prep for a, 108 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: start get behind that. Routine it makes a lot of 109 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: sense like this game didn't mean anything for either. Team 110 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: cardinals are, Eliminated cubs have clenched posts or home advantage 111 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: in their postseason. Bracket so this is a perfect time 112 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: for The cardinals to just, say, Hey, lay you've been 113 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: a stud for us all, year arguably our most consistent. 114 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: Reliever we want to see if you can start next. 115 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: Year let's just give you a chance to prep go 116 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: through the routine like you were a, starter so that 117 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: you have a little bit of a foundation going into next. 118 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: Season And Kyle lady did an exceptional job with. It 119 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: you look at the overall skill, set let's start there 120 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: With kylie Sixthch arsenal wipe out. Stuff he's super, efficient 121 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: as advertised by his usage. Today the trick for him 122 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: is going to be if he can repeat that stuff 123 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: through multiple, lineups multiple times through the. LINEUP i should 124 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: say he didn't get a chance to do that, obviously 125 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: because they're not going to happen for more than forty. 126 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: PITCHES i, mean he threw eighty five innings in really 127 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: eighty eight innings in relief this. 128 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: Year that's the most in The National league by a. 129 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: Lot BUT i like. THIS i really like this for 130 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: the cardinalist one BECAUSE i Think lay he can handle. 131 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: It he. Is he doesn't talk. Much if you guys 132 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: ever see his postgame, INTERVIEWS i wouldn't say he is 133 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: like the most social butterfly of them, all but he 134 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: is super smart and HIS i had a person in 135 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: the organization tell me, This Kyle lady's give a shit 136 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: meter is off the. Charts he's super, stoic doesn't express 137 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: like pretty, expressionless but really cares and. 138 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: That was evident in how he approached this whole. 139 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: Season so talking To kyle after the, game he said 140 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: what you'd expect him to, say that he's excited for this, 141 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: opportunity but he's going to take the ball no matter 142 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: when he's. Asked you, know if it's the first inning 143 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: or the, seventh he's going to do. It but The 144 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: cardinals moving on to what they need from their organization 145 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: could not be more, Dire like the starting pitching situation 146 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: could not be more dire heading into next. Year it 147 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: is so important for them to see if they have anything, 148 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: internally very similar to how they approached almost exactly similar 149 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: actually to how they Approached Matthew liberture in the. Spring 150 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: because stop making heard this. Before they have zero. Depth 151 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: Miles michelas is a free, agent AND i say what 152 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: you want About miles, MICHAELIS i, know maybe not the 153 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: most effective pitcher in the, world but a Good cardinal 154 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: for the last eight years and made thirty plus starts 155 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: again for the fourth straight. Season, okay durability is a 156 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: priceless trait in the. Game so they're losing thirty guaranteed 157 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: starts from a. Starter we have no idea What Sunny's 158 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: gray future, is But Sunny gray's, future BUT i would 159 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: be very surprised if he's with The cardinals next. YEAR 160 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: i think that The cardinals will look to trade. HIM 161 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: i think that's pretty much what he. Wants so that's. 162 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: Two he also made thirty plus starts this. Year that's sixty, 163 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: starts which just took off the. Table that means. 164 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: You're three guaranteed starters next. 165 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: Year, liberator who made twenty nine, stars did excellent in 166 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: terms of what they were looking for him to. Do 167 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: still plenty to build, on but like a quality number 168 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: four Guy michael, McGreevey same kind of boat As libby 169 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,119 Speaker 1: right there in the middle of the. Rotation and Anjre 170 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: filante who struggled this year and has work to do 171 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: if he wants to be a viable rotation option next. 172 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: Year so that's three options if we're being, generous two 173 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: and a half if we're being, real and no baseball 174 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: team can get through one hundred and sixty two games 175 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: with two and a half starting. Pitchers so very very 176 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: important for The cardinals to see if they have something 177 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: In Kyle, lahey because while there are arms in TRIPLE, 178 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: A Quinn matthews is, Exciting Liam doyle obviously very exciting 179 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: high And bloom is not going to rush pitching development 180 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: for the expense of benefiting the major league. Team that's 181 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: just not what he's. Done that's not what he's done In. 182 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: Tampa that's not what he did With, boston and that's 183 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: not what The cardinals should do. Now so find out 184 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: what you have, internally maybe you find out something that 185 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: you didn't know you had In Kyle. LAHY i think 186 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: all the sign there where this is going to be 187 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: a successful move for. Them so let's see Come jupiter 188 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: In february where things shake out and a quick thing 189 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: before we move on to our next. Segment it is unbelievably, 190 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: impressive remarkably impressive that The Saint Was cardinals had all 191 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: five of their pitchers stay off the injured. List we'll 192 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: throw An Eric petty in there as, well so Six 193 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: John king the only pitcher that went on the. Aisle in, 194 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: totality they had all five of their guys that finished the. 195 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: Season So Sunny Miles, Polante libby McGreevy made at least 196 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: twenty nine. 197 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: Starts that is unheard of. 198 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: In this day at age of this, game and the 199 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: health of The cardinal medical, team The cardinals training, staff 200 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: pitching Coach Dusty Blake allway marm will deserve a ton 201 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: of credit for keeping those guys. 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Him in our last, 246 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: episode we discussed the futures Of Nolan arnado And Sunny, 247 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: gray and we had not yet spoken To contraras about his. 248 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: Future that. 249 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 2: Changed he spoke to reporters At Wrigley field. 250 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: On, saturday after speaking With Heim, bloom who was also 251 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: At Wrigley field this weekend On, Friday Wilson contreras would 252 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: prefer to stay In Saint. 253 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: Louis he wants to be a part of this rebuilt, process. 254 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: But he is if something opens up where it would 255 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: benefit both him and the, team open to at least 256 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: exploring what that looks. Like so a little bit more 257 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: detail you can find on the Athletic, YES i did 258 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: it right this. Time when we talked To wilson and 259 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: he was As Wilson conturras as it. Gets he was 260 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: super honest about where he. Feels he, said he likes, 261 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: challenges he wants to be part of the. Process he 262 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: understands that the focus going forward is going to be 263 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: a little bit on player, development and he. Prayed and 264 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: this is a theme that we've heard from a lot 265 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: of different players who have had conversations with Him bloom. 266 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: Already he praised the transparency from him about the direction 267 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: of this, franchise AND i. 268 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: Think fans will actually get a chance to hear that 269 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: themselves On. 270 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: Tuesday, well more about that later in the, show but For, 271 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: Conturrists i'll just go ahead and read a couple of 272 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: quotes on what he's, thinking because he has two years 273 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: remaining on his deal out about thirty six million dollars 274 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: thirty six point five not including a five million dollar 275 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: buyout that the club has at the end of the 276 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty seventh, Season so a significant amount of money 277 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: still on that, contract but nothing like super egregious for 278 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: given What conturist does and what he. Produces here's What 279 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: contura said to us about his conversation with Heim. Bloom he, 280 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: SAID i told Him i'd like to be a part 281 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: of the. Process i'd like to be a part of 282 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: a young team that's going to need to have some 283 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: kind of experience around. Them that's WHAT i. Expressed bloom 284 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: understood THAT i want to be a part of this, 285 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: process BUT i also understand that this is part of the. 286 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: Business then we asked him if something opened up that 287 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: made sense for him and the, team would he consider, 288 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: It and he, said if something comes up and makes 289 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: a lot of sense For bloom and the organization and 290 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: makes sense for me in my, future then we'll talk about. 291 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: That but as of right, NOW i, SAID i would 292 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: like to be a part of the. 293 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: Process so we ask them to. Elaborate because When, contrarast 294 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: just Like, arnatto just Like Sunny, gray came To Saint, 295 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: louis it was about being a part of a winning 296 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: organization and in the postseason and all the stuff that 297 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: we know we thought we were going to see and. 298 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: Didn't and this is where THAT i like challenges quote 299 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: comes from the Ac here in the, Headline contrera, SAYS 300 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: i know The cardinals have a track record of winning 301 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: and being a winning. TEAM i know that right now 302 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: we don't have a winning, team BUT i know we 303 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: have talent. Here everything starts in the. MINORS i understand 304 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: that it might take three to five years to be 305 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: a playoff team or contend for A World. Series even 306 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: If i'm no longer, HERE i still feel LIKE i 307 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: could be a part of that BECAUSE i helped the young. 308 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: Guys he went on to, say it's a weird situation 309 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: right now because we aren't. Winning But i'm not concerned 310 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: about my. Future i'm not concerned about anything else besides 311 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: The cardinals BECAUSE i signed here and this is the 312 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: PLACE i wanted to. Be it's still the same. Way 313 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: SO i would be surprised If Wilson contreras is traded this. 314 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: Offseason it's not a for sure no or you, know 315 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: things could, change BUT i think the likelihood of players 316 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: being traded remains ARE nato One grade two and then 317 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: a significant gap before contrarists at. Three would that complicate 318 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: things for the? ROSTER i think that's a common argument 319 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: in terms of reducing the redundancy as currently. Constructed, yes 320 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: but let me tell you. 321 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: Something let me tell you. Something this is not the 322 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: same roster that we're going to. 323 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 4: See. 324 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: OKAY i will have an off season primer around the 325 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: athletic after a couple days of hibernation where we break 326 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: down all of the different. Deadlines but this is roster 327 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: is going to be. Revamped you got a non tender 328 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: deadline coming up In. NOVEMBER i would imagine a lot 329 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: of forty men roster moves are. Made you have some positional, 330 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: redundancies specifically with your, lefties and if you have this, 331 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: group let's take this group of four all Le Victor 332 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: scott the second out of, here because this doesn't really 333 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: apply to. Him it's a different. Position of the four 334 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: lefties that are kind of caught in this rotat or position, Logjam. 335 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: Brendan, Donovan lars New, bar Al, Erlison Nolan. 336 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: Gorman two of those four, lefties in my, opinion are 337 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: in my, opinion are going to be traded over the 338 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: off season because you have. To you have to eliminate 339 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: this roster log, jam this roster. REDUNDANCY i don't know 340 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: which of the two lefties are gonna, go BUT i 341 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: would be very very surprised if, three if two of 342 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: all four are, back that's not. Happening i'd be very 343 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: very surprised if if three out of the four. Back, 344 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: AGAIN i don't know which ones are likely more likely 345 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: to go than. Others things will play into this contract, 346 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: status r, viers money made like those are all organization. 347 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: Decisions some of them, ownership some of them front. 348 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: Office it will also depend on who can get them 349 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: the best return. Package because this is what a rebuild. Is, 350 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: AGAIN i will preface that this is not a, teardown 351 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: and the word rebuild has this like negative. AURA i get, 352 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: it because most teams that rebuild completely tear. Down this 353 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: is like by definition of, rebuild but not nearly to 354 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: that degree that we might think when we hear that. 355 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: Word so if the goal here is to to find 356 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: prospects and find players that are going to exedite this, 357 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 1: rebuild you're going to trade the players that can give 358 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: you the best. RETURN i don't know out Of, Donovan, 359 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: Newbar girlson And gorman who those two, are but that 360 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: would be how The cardinals can Keep Wilson contraras and 361 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: also not further clog up their. Roster, so LIKE i, 362 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: said as, advertising you're gonna be a lot of busy 363 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: news over this. Offseason so whatever we experienced last, year 364 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: remember when we started the, show when we had the 365 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: same episode twenty episodes in a row because the didn't do, 366 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: ANYTHING i would not expect that to be the. Same 367 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: the show will continue in the off, season by the, 368 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: way we just won't do it as, often probably two 369 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: times a week if. 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Deck president Of Baseball Operations 399 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: John mozaeilov will address the media Tomorrow monday From bushadium 400 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: for his annual end of the year press, conference when 401 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: he will effectively wrap up his. Tenure he's still under 402 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: contract Through, october but Starting, tuesday baseball decisions will be 403 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: delegated To high In bloom and he is expected to 404 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: address the media and do an introductory press conference On, 405 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: tuesday also From Bush. Stadium so happy off season to. 406 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: Us we're going to get right into. IT i will 407 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: obviously be there to cover both press. Conferences i'm interested. 408 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: To see What moe has to say in his final, presser. 409 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: Mainly BECAUSE i want to see what he thought about 410 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: this transition season and if this roster actually accomplished the 411 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: questions or answer the questions that they set out to 412 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: and his thoughts about finishing just a few games out 413 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: of the. Playoffs that's interesting to. Me it should not 414 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: be high And bloom that is answering the questions about 415 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: what happened this. Year it should be and it will 416 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: Be High bloom answering all the questions about what's going 417 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: to have and in the weeks two months to. COME 418 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: i Believe ownership is scheduled to attend that press conference as, 419 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: well meaning build With junior and build with the third 420 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: that has not been. Formalized that's my understanding that that 421 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: is on the. Table, however that is not yet for 422 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: certain they. DO i will commend them for. This usually 423 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: come to those press conferences and make themselves available for the. 424 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: Media that certainly doesn't happen in every, market so we 425 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: do appreciate that when it does. Happen But i'm super, 426 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: Excited cardinals, fans for you to finally get some clarity 427 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: and some answers as to what your team is going 428 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: to look like going. Forward what can we reasonably expect 429 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: this to look, like what's the plan that makes some, 430 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: changes all of that good. Stuff i'm. Excited i'm excited 431 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: to see what that's going to look like and how 432 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: these next couple of days go and then we'll see 433 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: how it goes from. There but, Yeah markert calendars some 434 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: Busy newsy things will have more clarity on the futures 435 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: of some, players the coaching staff manager alling normal. Status 436 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: all of that should be answered in the next week or, 437 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: so so hang in with me at The athletic hang 438 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: out without us here On Cardinal Territory foul To, territory 439 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: thank you for rocking with me for a whole. SEASON 440 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: i really love WHAT i do and it's because of 441 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: the PEOPLE i interact with and that definitely applies to 442 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: The Cardinal territory podcast, Family so. Thanks as, Always we'll 443 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: be back to break things down after the press conferences next. 444 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: Week stay, tuned talk to you. Later