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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 1: Morning.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's dej n V. Charlamage the guy we are the

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Speaker 3: Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 3: brother Malcolm Jenkins.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Brother, appreciate y'all having me.

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Speaker 1: How you're doing I'm blessed Black and Holly favorite. How

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Speaker 1: you doing doing well?

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Speaker 2: Doing well?

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Speaker 1: Malcolm got a new book I'll called What Winners Won't

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Speaker 1: Tell You. I love that title. Break that title done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, a lot of the times we

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Speaker 4: see people who have a lot of success, who are champions,

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Speaker 4: and we hold them up high, but oftentimes we don't see,

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Speaker 4: you know, what makes them that way, and oftentimes we

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Speaker 4: kind of glorify that that process and we look at

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Speaker 4: the end of you know, the end result. But for me,

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Speaker 4: I've always been a bridge a bridge builder, and wanted

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Speaker 4: to make sure that I contextualized the thirteen year career

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Speaker 4: that I've just finished, you know, all of the things

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Speaker 4: that I've kind of accomplished by showcasing that journey, that process,

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Speaker 4: that evolution of you know, a man into what you

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Speaker 4: see now, and really that's you know, that's to me,

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Speaker 4: that's what.

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Speaker 2: You what you want to do. That's what you want

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Speaker 2: to live. You want to have impact on things. You

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Speaker 2: want to leave people with breadcrumbs to that success. Uh.

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Speaker 4: And so I kind of open up the reason I

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Speaker 4: don't have a shirt on on the covers because it's

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Speaker 4: it's a very vulnerable memoir. It's one of the things

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Speaker 4: I showed kind of the failures, the process, how I developed,

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Speaker 4: you know, into the person I am today.

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Speaker 2: Nobody he played in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Former NFL player, You got drafted with New Orleans and

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Speaker 3: then you played for the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: You got no not at all at all. We know

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Speaker 2: what's gonna happen at the end of the year, go

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Speaker 2: to He said that every year.

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Speaker 3: Every year he says that, But you said that last year,

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Speaker 3: said that last year. Now, what made you want to

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Speaker 3: write this book? Now you talk about the winning and

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Speaker 3: losing and being so open and vulnerable. What made you

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Speaker 3: want to write the book at this time?

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Speaker 4: So, you know, one of the things is an athlete,

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Speaker 4: your your life is usually documented by other people. Everybody

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Speaker 4: else writes about you, talks about you, and we rarely

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Speaker 4: get to hear the athlete talk about that own.

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Speaker 2: Experience and contextualizing for themselves.

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Speaker 4: I got two young daughters, like you know that I

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Speaker 4: think a lot about what they what I want to

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Speaker 4: leave to them, how I want them to view me,

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Speaker 4: And so I figured it was better for my story

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Speaker 4: to be told from my own words. So I ended

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Speaker 4: up writing a book myself. You know, Cover to cover

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Speaker 4: is all me, and it's and it's one of those

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Speaker 4: things that I'm always involved in everything I do, so

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Speaker 4: you know, for me, it's one of those things that

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Speaker 4: again everybody doesn't get to see what goes into the process,

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Speaker 4: that goes into the mindset, the cerebral parts of not

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Speaker 4: only football.

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Speaker 2: But life, the failures.

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Speaker 4: And I think that that's always been important for the

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Speaker 4: part of it, because that's the difference. You know, most

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Speaker 4: hopefully this kind of closes that gap for the reader

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Speaker 4: to see, like, no, these people who have success are

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Speaker 4: Is those who continue to fight, those continue to play,

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Speaker 4: you know, the idea, You know that life is this journey.

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Speaker 4: You don't especially with sports, I think life is like

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Speaker 4: game after we've won. The victory is when you get

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Speaker 4: to enjoy life. But really the winners will tell you

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Speaker 4: That's how I've grown to have success, and I try

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Speaker 5: I love in the book you talk about a lot

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Speaker 5: social justice space because you were the head of the players.

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Speaker 5: When it comes to social justice and being an athlete,

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Speaker 2: Man, it's you know.

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Speaker 4: One of the things we had to do was find

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Speaker 4: what our role was, you know, because we're not the experts.

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Speaker 4: We're not we're not devoting our lives to be activists,

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Speaker 4: but we do have a role, you know, as role

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Speaker 4: useful was to place ourselves as conveners. We can bring

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Speaker 4: Incomboldaan myself formulated the Players Coalition as a vehicle for

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Speaker 4: in my community, you want to get involved with politics

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Speaker 4: It started with a group of about twelve athletes and

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Speaker 4: It have an impact with you know, grassroots organizations all

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Speaker 5: We's some of the accomplishments that the Players Coalition did

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Speaker 4: So the majority of the work was like hey, all right,

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Speaker 4: But what we were able to turn that into, you know,

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Speaker 4: so specifically, and my focus was in Pennsylvania. One of

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Speaker 4: And most people don't know one in three people in

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Speaker 4: And we were like, you know, that's a low hanging fruit,

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Speaker 4: it's just that's a very low hanging you know, low

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Speaker 4: it's being done not only by me, but obviously by

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Speaker 3: Now when players with kneeling at one time, how did

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Speaker 3: you guys support the players if at all?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I was raising my fist and I was

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Speaker 4: wonder That's how the player coalition kind of came to

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Speaker 4: just about like that moment everybody wanting to figure out

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Speaker 4: people want being very passionate about, you know, pushing black

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Speaker 4: we've been doing that over you know, over the course

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Speaker 5: I feel like you took a lot of you took

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Speaker 5: a lot of heat back then. Yeah, you know, Eric

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Speaker 5: Reed called you a sellout. You know, y'all had y'all

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Speaker 4: Then, nah, you know, and a lot of people, you know,

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Speaker 4: even in those times, were like, hey man, you need

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Speaker 4: It's counterintuitive, it doesn't work. So for me, I've always

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Speaker 3: What was your thoughts on everything that's going on with

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's you know, it's confusing at this time.

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Speaker 4: It's seven years the way you know, it's you almost

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Speaker 4: want him to just kind of like stand on his legacy.

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Speaker 2: It makes me makes me a little worried. What you mean.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know you're talking about, you know, somebody

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Speaker 4: like begging to be on a practice squad seven years

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Speaker 4: after later. You know, forget the politics or who he is.

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Speaker 4: Any athlete that's out of the game for seven years

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Speaker 4: is concerning to me. It's that now being on the

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Speaker 4: other side of retirement and having to deal with that,

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Speaker 4: that identity change myself, you know that that's that's a

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Speaker 4: it's a strong thing that he's dealing with and you

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Speaker 4: worry about, like, Okay, how does one handle transitioning into

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Speaker 4: the next phase of life, the next chapter, because that

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Speaker 4: one's done, like you can't play football forever, so we

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Speaker 4: need to see, you know, what that next example is.

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Speaker 4: And it's where so many people following them, I think

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Speaker 2: What's that next move?

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Speaker 3: You know, some people would say that, you know, he's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I never thought I would write a book. Never,

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Speaker 4: And it wasn't until like, yeah, you start to let

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Speaker 2: I'm a forever learner. I'm curious about everything.

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Speaker 4: And the more and more you learn, the more you do,

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Speaker 4: Do you have discipline with what you eat, how you

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Speaker 2: You know? Do you go places you don't need to?

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Speaker 4: Are you cultivating these parts of yourself? Those things are uncomfortable.

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Speaker 4: You know, for sure, I got all the keys to

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Speaker 5: And you know Tom Brady wrote the forward of your

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Speaker 4: He always brought the best out of me as a player,

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Speaker 5: Now you said he's the greatest of all time? Do yeah,

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Speaker 4: Why because he does the ordinary better than everybody? Oh, Like,

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Speaker 5: I feel like, man, what you just said makes so

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Speaker 4: And I think that's that's something I've always been fascinated

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Speaker 4: in and try to do myself, is like what can

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Speaker 4: I you know, instead of trying to be the best

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Speaker 4: at some guy giving talent or do these amazing things

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Speaker 4: like how do you.

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Speaker 2: Just do the do the ordinary better than everybody else?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Now you were just inducted into the Ohio State

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: So congratulations that.

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Speaker 3: Now, just if you could go back and change it,

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Speaker 3: because you know, we talk about all the things you

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Speaker 3: stand for. Now, would you prefer or would you rather

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Speaker 3: went to HBCU.

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Speaker 4: Both of my parents went to North Carolina A and T.

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Speaker 4: I think going back, no, it was a different time, right,

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Speaker 4: I think right now the way that there's a tension

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Speaker 4: on it, there's people willing to put resources behind the

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Speaker 4: programs and all that happened. Of course I would now,

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Speaker 4: you know, I think back then you would have just

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Speaker 4: kind of been selling yourself short.

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Speaker 2: It's like you you need the.

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Speaker 4: Entire environment, you need the coaches to come out to

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Speaker 4: one player coming, you need the coach Like what Dion

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Speaker 4: was doing, you know for hbc USERS was a movement

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Speaker 4: and that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: What is what we wanted to see.

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Speaker 4: That's what would have made it, you know, advertising for

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Speaker 4: me as an athlete, and you know, but I do

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Speaker 4: look at these athletes now who are doing it, like

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Speaker 4: I wish I had, I wish the environment was like

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Speaker 4: that when I was coming out.

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Speaker 5: We have those conversations, man, But I keep thinking, I

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Speaker 5: keep I want people to remember de anomaly, man, like

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Speaker 5: Dion was one of the.

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Speaker 1: Biggest stars in the world.

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Speaker 5: Because it's not like Eddie George is coaching right right,

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Speaker 5: like we could be supported.

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Speaker 1: It's because it's Dion, Like that's what It's not a.

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Speaker 2: Huge Jackson's in Hugh Jackson's coaching too, right, I believe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like I said, he's not the only one.

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Speaker 4: But it is the Dion effect for sure. It's the

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Speaker 4: It's not just the on field stuff and coaching is

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Speaker 4: the attention you're bringing, the message that you're bringing, the

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Speaker 4: pride and kind of you know, the showmanship that you

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Speaker 4: bring to it too.

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Speaker 2: You gotta make it cool.

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Speaker 1: How did your trip to Ghana uh influence your advocacy?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just changed your life, period, It changed everything.

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Speaker 4: You know, you start to I think all of us

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Speaker 4: have a bit of an identity crisis at some point.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you're African American, you want to know

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Speaker 4: where you came from. And at the lowest point in

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Speaker 4: my life, it was like one of the most critical

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Speaker 4: moments in my in the book. I needed to get away,

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Speaker 4: and I was like, I always wanted to go to Africa.

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Speaker 4: So I went to Ghana and it was just to

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Speaker 4: be around something, you know, a place that's all black.

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Speaker 2: Or a week and a half.

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize how much I needed that until I

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Speaker 4: came back. I was like, I hadn't I hadn't even

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Speaker 4: thought about being black for a week and a half.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, that must be what white privilege

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Speaker 2: feels like.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, you know, it's like you didn't

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Speaker 4: realize you needed those spaces to get away. And so

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Speaker 4: just going to the slave castles, the door and overturn,

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Speaker 4: you just feel this this connection with your ancestry that

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Speaker 4: I hadn't had before, and so and even just nature

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Speaker 4: and all of those things. So for me it was

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Speaker 4: it was life changing change my perspective of like what's important?

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Speaker 2: What's my role here?

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Speaker 4: Like you don't I don't strive to have success in

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Speaker 4: this kind of like American society. It's like, I'm here

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Speaker 4: for a purpose. I'ma live here, that's what I call home.

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Speaker 4: But I don't have to buy into the ideology you

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Speaker 4: have a you have something before slavery. Now to tap

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Speaker 4: into a history to to explore and I think that

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Speaker 4: that that was mentally liberating for me. Do you think

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Speaker 4: your daughters, Uh, No, they haven't been yet.

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Speaker 2: We've been. We've been to the continent.

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Speaker 4: We were in like Northern Africa, Morocco, Americas, but they

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Speaker 4: haven't been a gane yet.

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Speaker 1: Y'all took off for of mine and my seven year

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Speaker 1: old she's eight now.

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Speaker 5: She she literally was like, where are the white people that.

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Speaker 2: I talked about in the book? The only white face

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Speaker 2: I saw it was Jesus and they have him white.

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Speaker 2: Jesus is everywhere. It's crazy.

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Speaker 4: But I did bring I brought my two brothers. Uh,

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Speaker 4: brought some of my frat brothers. I've been there like

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Speaker 4: four times. The last time and we closed out the

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Speaker 4: book with it is the time I bring my parents.

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Speaker 4: They always wanted to get to the continent, and so

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Speaker 4: I bring them with, bring them with me, and they

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Speaker 4: had had a blast.

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Speaker 3: The brother gotta go because he got TV this morning too,

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Speaker 3: So you got to pick up the new book that

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Speaker 3: Winders will tell you what. We appreciate you. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for joining us this morning. Pick up the book right now,

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Speaker 3: Malcolm Jenkins. It's the Breakfast Club, good morning, wake that.

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Speaker 2: Ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club