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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to food Stuff. I'm Lauren Vogelba and

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Speaker 1: I'm any Reese and hey Annie, Yeah, do you want

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Speaker 1: to go on a trip? What kind of trip? A

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Speaker 1: flavor trip? Yes? I so want to go on a

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Speaker 1: flavor trip. Aren't those all the trips you go on?

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Speaker 1: Actually pretty much? Yeah? But no, today we're talking specifically

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Speaker 1: about the kind of flavor tripping you do with the

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Speaker 1: miracle berry. That is such a strange sentence. If you

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Speaker 1: don't know what flavor tripping is or miracle berryes, it

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Speaker 1: must think that's like a drug that I've had some

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Speaker 1: really interesting coffee this morning. That Yeah, no, no, no no, no,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's a real thing. It's also called the

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Speaker 1: miracle fruit, or the sweet berry, or the miraculous berry.

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Speaker 1: Lots of names this one. Yeah, that is not its

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Speaker 1: scientific name though. No. The scientific name for the miracle

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Speaker 1: berry is since a polem. They'll come. It does have

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Speaker 1: a few others, though, the other most common being a

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Speaker 1: Cadella delsitica. Uh. It primarily grows in West Africa. That's

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Speaker 1: where it originates from. Thank, yes, correct, It's actually a

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Speaker 1: shrub of the averages around two to five ms, around

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Speaker 1: six and a half to sixteen feet. It's usually on

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Speaker 1: the shorter side of that range when you're growing it, though,

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Speaker 1: when you're actually cultivating it outside of West Africa. UM

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Speaker 1: it's frost intolerant marvelous conversation plant, according to the California

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Speaker 1: Rare Fruit Growers Inc. I looked up conversation plant after that,

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Speaker 1: thinking maybe it was like a pipe of plant. No, no,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's just a thing that you're like, oh, hey, Richard,

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Speaker 1: have you noticed my plant? It's a whole conversation starter.

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Speaker 1: It's a conversation starter place. I thought it was like

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Speaker 1: a type of plant I was looking on, like what

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Speaker 1: our conversation plants. I don't grow too many things, you guys.

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Speaker 1: Um it needs a soil to grow. The leaves cluster

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Speaker 1: on the tips of the branches, and during summer at flowers,

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Speaker 1: producing round things that at first resemble green olives, but

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Speaker 1: gradually turned red, kind of like a cranberry shade of red.

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Speaker 1: That's the very part. Those things get to be two

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Speaker 1: to three centimeters in size, and they have a single

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Speaker 1: seed inside. Low sugar content, but they do have a

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Speaker 1: touch of sweetness to them. Otherwise they're fairly flavorless. What

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Speaker 1: about that miracle part though, Yeah, how do they get

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Speaker 1: that miracle berry name? Well, they have this glycoprotein that

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Speaker 1: researchers have dubbed miraculin are mcl. Never let anyone tell

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Speaker 1: you that scientists don't have a sense of humor. No, never,

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Speaker 1: Miraculine when eating makes some sour things taste sweet. Let

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Speaker 1: that sink in for a minute, so you eat it,

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Speaker 1: eat something sour, it tastes sweet. Yeah, very cool. Referencing

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Speaker 1: the California Rare fruit growers again, their article claimed that

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Speaker 1: the miracle berry coote will now allow one to eat

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Speaker 1: a sl of lemon or lime without wincing. I just

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Speaker 1: love that, Like, that's what they went with that description.

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Speaker 1: The effect last for about thirty minutes to an hour,

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Speaker 1: or until your saliva washes it out. In the nineteen

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Speaker 1: issue fifty one edition of the U. S d A's

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Speaker 1: Inventory of Seeds and Plants Imported Sounds riveting Um, it

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Speaker 1: listed since a pollum dolcivicum with this description. When eaten,

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Speaker 1: the pulp has the peculiar property of making the most

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Speaker 1: sour and acidulous, sidulous silous perfect word substances seem intensely sweet,

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Speaker 1: so that the citric are tartaric acids, lime, juice, vinegar,

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Speaker 1: and all sour immature fruits eaten thereafter tastes as if

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Speaker 1: they were composed entirely of saccharin matter. The author went

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Speaker 1: on to note that preserved berries did not maintain this property,

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Speaker 1: and they didn't have much taste either, and this has

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Speaker 1: result alted in flavored tripping parties where people papa berry

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Speaker 1: making sure first not to eat the seed and to

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Speaker 1: hold the pulp around the mouth. Can swirl it around

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Speaker 1: pill with miraculous next shacked and then try all kinds

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Speaker 1: of sour stuff like lemons, cheese, pickles, hot sauce, mustard, guinness,

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Speaker 1: Brussels sprouts, vinegars, and bottom shelf tequila. And for takers

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Speaker 1: say the lemon taste like candy guinness plus orbe to

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Speaker 1: taste like a milkshake, hot sauce like donut glaze, go

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Speaker 1: cheese like cheesecake, tequila like good tequila. Um, and Laura

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Speaker 1: and I will probably have done this by the time

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Speaker 1: this episode publishes. We haven't we had. Neither of us

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Speaker 1: have yet, though, but we are planning. We are making plans, yes, well,

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Speaker 1: and he's making plans, and I'm really excited about that.

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Speaker 1: Florida d Yeah, go along with my plans. Foods that

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Speaker 1: So u heat destroys the protein temperature wise, not spicifies.

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Speaker 1: as a replacement for artificial sweeteners currently. And what's happening

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Speaker 1: here scientifically is that miraculine. That that glycoprotein that we

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Speaker 1: let's back up fur them that glycoprotein. A glycoprotein is

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Speaker 1: super useful biology wise. So miraculin is one of those

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Speaker 1: protein plus sugar combo molecules. And before we can proceed,

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Speaker 1: we also need to know how taste works, and we're

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Speaker 1: learning a lot right at the top of those epode

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Speaker 1: I know, so so okay. The taste buds on your

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Speaker 1: tongue are actually bundles of nerve cells called taste receptor cells.

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Speaker 1: When particular types of chemicals bind to those receptors cells,

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Speaker 1: all sweet flavor experiences from the same type of taste

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Speaker 1: things like a glucose to salt based sweet things like saccharine.

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Speaker 1: Super weird. Those cells are just working hard for their money.

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Speaker 1: I love it, okay, But back back to miraculine. When

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Speaker 1: you get some on your tongue, the miraculine, uh, this,

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Speaker 1: this glycoprotein latches onto a particular part of your sweetness

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Speaker 1: receptor cells. Alone, the miraculan doesn't really do much of anything.

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Speaker 1: It produces like a mildly sweet flavor experience. But when

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Speaker 1: sour to us. Right Interestingly, oracul actually suppresses the action

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Speaker 1: neutral pH level, meaning that if you eat a sweet

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Speaker 1: physically changing the chemical physical structure. That's so cool. I mean,

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Speaker 1: miraculous desserts on menus are like just buy a sour

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Speaker 1: so that would be cool, yes, because they've also done

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Speaker 1: dietary supplement or to depress your appetite, with some thinking

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Speaker 1: it could even help with obesity or world hunger. More

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Speaker 1: ways to produce large amounts of pure miraculum, both for

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Speaker 1: contain powdered miracle fruit for like a buck fifty per MHM.

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Speaker 1: Miraculum and the miracle berry are not the only substances

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Speaker 1: curriculine and neoculan from the fruit of the cculigo latinfolia plant. Yes,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the history, including intrigue. Yes, so much intrigue. Okay, alright,

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Speaker 1: but first let's take a quick break for w from

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Speaker 1: fruit and or berry, whatever you would like to call

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Speaker 1: For centuries before the first known written mention of them,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sponsor, Thank you. Okay. So, perhaps one of

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Speaker 1: It's so useful. The pumpkin really is the jack of

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Speaker 1: all food. It boats, helmets, decoration, food, pipe plate. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, everything, everything, Everything is possible with pumpkins. Man,

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Speaker 1: that should be like stitched on something and hung. I

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Speaker 1: think that pumpkin needs to hop on that. Yeah, big pumpkin,

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Speaker 1: Big pumpkin. If we ever get t shirts, yes, that's

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