WEBVTT - AEW Winter/Kevin Owens/Tokyo Dome Wrestle Kingdom

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get it all. How's it going, everybody? Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 1>here on Wrestling Ober Live. We're here every day Monday

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<v Speaker 1>to Friday, New Pacific, three sturn Sunday three Pacific, six Eastern.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Wednesday on this program. You know that means

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<v Speaker 1>tonight a w Winter is coming. We have the lineup

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<v Speaker 1>for the show thus far, and at this point in

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<v Speaker 1>a two hour show, there's four matches. Are we gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be seeing some angles, some debuts? What will we see

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<v Speaker 1>tonight on Winter is Coming? We'll talk about that here

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<v Speaker 1>today on the program. And also i'll talk more about

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<v Speaker 1>this after the break. Kevin Owens has re signed with

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<v Speaker 1>w w E a multi year deal. We'll getting that

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<v Speaker 1>more in a moment, because I got a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>say about that. We got the raw ratings from Monday night.

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<v Speaker 1>It increased from record lows, but it was it almost

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<v Speaker 1>record lows. We've got the hourly numbers, which actually the

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<v Speaker 1>first two hours not bad. Third hour plunge as usual,

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<v Speaker 1>one point four seven million viewers in that third hour.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got updates on Jeff Hardy, lots of news out

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<v Speaker 1>of New Japan. Tokyo Dome. Russell Kingdom is upcoming, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we've got some matches for that show. We have

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<v Speaker 1>got the winners of the Tag League tournament, we have

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<v Speaker 1>the winner of the UM, the other one hand Best

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<v Speaker 1>Super Juniors UM and of course we have got to

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<v Speaker 1>the return of Catsiori Shibada. So we're getting all of

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<v Speaker 1>that here today. Update for next week's at x T.

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<v Speaker 1>I've only seen the opener on an x T two

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<v Speaker 1>point oh, so I can only talk about the Duke

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<v Speaker 1>Hudson match, the no holds barred match, which largely ones

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<v Speaker 1>I expected, but not quite. We'll talk to you about

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<v Speaker 1>that and plenty more if you'd like to contact us

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<v Speaker 1>today if you want to Texas four to five seven

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<v Speaker 1>eight zero seven five six six. First story here. Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>Owen well not to be going anywhere anytime soon, as

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<v Speaker 1>the impending free agent has re signed with w w E.

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<v Speaker 1>This from Wrestling Observer dot com Fightful first report of

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<v Speaker 1>the news. Pat Laprade confirmed details are light, but Laprade

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<v Speaker 1>reported the deal is for multiple years. According to Laprade,

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<v Speaker 1>Owens will explain the rationale for his decision in a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast with Laprade that will drop Thursday. It was learned

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<v Speaker 1>in September that Owens was set to become a free

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<v Speaker 1>agent at the end of January thanks to a pre

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic restructuring of contracts. Thirty seven year old said in

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<v Speaker 1>a May interview with Laprade that he had inked a

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<v Speaker 1>five year deal that ran into twenty twenty three. At

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<v Speaker 1>one point in September, Owens had posted and then deleted

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<v Speaker 1>a tweet of coordinates to Mount Rushmore, which fans took

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<v Speaker 1>as a nod to a future in a e W

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<v Speaker 1>as the landmark shares the name of his former pwdch

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<v Speaker 1>faction with The Young Bucks and Adam Cole. He also

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<v Speaker 1>changed his Twitter location to almost there. Owens been in

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<v Speaker 1>w w since starting an n X t etcetera, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, listen, I don't know what Johnny Gargano is

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<v Speaker 1>going to do, and I don't know what Kyle O'Reilly

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<v Speaker 1>is going to do. But when we were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny Gargano and Kylo Riley and I was talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, potential ways that you could get Johnny Gargana

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<v Speaker 1>to stay in w w E, not the least of

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<v Speaker 1>which would be, you know, sticking around, not going on

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<v Speaker 1>the road, hanging around his newborn child, maybe having a

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<v Speaker 1>talent contract and a trainer's contract. And no matter what

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<v Speaker 1>I said, all I heard was, No, he's absolutely for

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<v Speaker 1>sure leaving. He's absolutely gonna leave. He's leaving for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And listen, he might leave. But when the Kevin Owens

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<v Speaker 1>story shows you here is I heard the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>about Kevin owns he's leaving for sure, he's going. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no chance he's staying. Well, he's staying because I know

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<v Speaker 1>that there's this idea on the internet and oh it's

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<v Speaker 1>horrible in w w E. Everyone hates the place. Everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be going a w if they've got any talent whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>There's gonna be people that are going to resign with

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<v Speaker 1>w w E. There are people who like it. There

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<v Speaker 1>there are people who are gonna be made good offers,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna weigh it against everything else and they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna decide that they want to stay with w w E.

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<v Speaker 1>And Kevin Owens is staying, and perhaps Johnny Gargan who

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<v Speaker 1>is staying, and perhaps Kyle O'Riley is staying. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know this for sure, but wasn't Pete Dunn's deal

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<v Speaker 1>up and he's he's still there, so it's possible he's resigned.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think this is a The moral of this

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<v Speaker 1>story is there are some people who, when they weigh

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<v Speaker 1>their options, are going to want to stay with w

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<v Speaker 1>w E. So that's it. That's all I got out

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<v Speaker 1>of this. I mean maybe there's more, but congratulations Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>Owens and now he'll be main eventing the show on

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<v Speaker 1>the first of January Day one. Good for him this year,

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<v Speaker 1>happy for him, happy first Emily, happy that he's able

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<v Speaker 1>to sign this deal, that he's happy where he's at

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<v Speaker 1>and good And I don't think Kevin Owens is the

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<v Speaker 1>type of guy that is going to come out at

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<v Speaker 1>any point during however, the long this duration of this

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<v Speaker 1>contract is and complains about it. Maybe he does, but

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<v Speaker 1>he seems to be content with his choice and goods.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I like you mentioned, you know, everybody's got

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<v Speaker 1>different goals, everybody's got different ideas, everybody's got different lives

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<v Speaker 1>to to worry about. And w w E he has

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<v Speaker 1>been very open about the fact that, much like Eddie Kingston,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, was he going to be able to carve

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<v Speaker 1>out a niche for his family in this business? Was

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<v Speaker 1>he going to be able to have enough money saved up?

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<v Speaker 1>Was this going to be what was going to provide

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<v Speaker 1>his family security? Could wrestling do that? And in w

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<v Speaker 1>w E he has been able to do that. And

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<v Speaker 1>you hear stories about Daniel Brian when people look at

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<v Speaker 1>his creative and go, oh my god, get that guy

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<v Speaker 1>out of there, and must have been miserable. It's terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>They've misused him, They've done this, they've them that, And

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<v Speaker 1>you hear about how much he's got, how much respect

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<v Speaker 1>he has for Vince McMahon, how much he liked certain

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<v Speaker 1>aspects about being there. So you know, Kevin Owens the

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<v Speaker 1>same way, And much like I mentioned about Johnny Gargano

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<v Speaker 1>and Tomaso Chompa. Kevin Owens has been a Triple H guy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, much like Samoa Joe was. You know, Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>Owens always had the support of Triple H. And for

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<v Speaker 1>those guys, you know, you don't know what their goals are.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they want to be again? You know? What are

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<v Speaker 1>his post wrestling goals? Is there something about w W

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<v Speaker 1>that he wants to stay there being agent, be a trainer,

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<v Speaker 1>being a a representative of the company. You just you

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<v Speaker 1>just don't know what it is. And I'd be fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>to find out later on down the road after this

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<v Speaker 1>contract is over, or maybe even before it's over, although

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we'll get that what his mentality was

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<v Speaker 1>going into it and why he decided to make the

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<v Speaker 1>decision that he did when he has options available to him.

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<v Speaker 1>That of course, obviously a lot of fans are probably

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<v Speaker 1>disappointed today that he didn't go and take Hey, listen

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<v Speaker 1>to everybody. I know that there have been a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of cuts. I know a lot of people have been fired.

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<v Speaker 1>I know everyone's heard about the talent budget that they have.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the end of the day, yeah they cut

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people, Yeah they signed a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people in twenty nineteen and then they cut them, but

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<v Speaker 1>I can I don't want to name anyone in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you look at the list of people that

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<v Speaker 1>were cut, I mean of them were hired not because

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<v Speaker 1>w w E wanted to do anything with them, but

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<v Speaker 1>because they didn't want anybody going anywhere else. And while

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<v Speaker 1>there is a budget, I mean, there's a very good

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<v Speaker 1>chance and they could have offered and I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>want to throw a number here because then somebody's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>report some stupid number on the internet as a fact.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's just put it this way. They could have

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<v Speaker 1>offered Kevin Owens a huge sum of money to stay

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<v Speaker 1>with w w E, and a W is not going

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<v Speaker 1>to match that, and so he stayed with w w E.

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<v Speaker 1>There are there are people, and actually most of them

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<v Speaker 1>have been fired, but I mean there are people that

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<v Speaker 1>were offered contracts with the w w E. The w

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<v Speaker 1>W he had no intention of ever doing anything with.

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly they like Kevin Owens. Kevin Owens is one of

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<v Speaker 1>their best promos. Kevin Owens never gives and listen, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I've seen some Kevin Owens matches where, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>if I were Kevin Owens I would have given and not.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fact of the matter is he always gives on.

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<v Speaker 1>So even though there is a talent budget, there will

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<v Speaker 1>be guys like Kevin Owens where their deal comes up

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<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna be offered a lot of money to stay.

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<v Speaker 1>And my guess is he was offered a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>money to stay despite this being an environment where a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people are getting cut. Did you know that

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<v Speaker 1>Winner is coming is tonight? You know it's not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be there, Kevin Owens. But Tony Con did an interview

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<v Speaker 1>the other day more new faces maybe on their way

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<v Speaker 1>to a w TV sooner than later, as company had,

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Con hinted, and an interview released Tuesday, which happens

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<v Speaker 1>to be the day before Winter Is Coming. He was

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<v Speaker 1>promoting Winter is Coming. He says, I'm more than aware

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a number of free agents out there, wrestlers

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<v Speaker 1>I admire to. But I gotta say that you just

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<v Speaker 1>have to keep watching over these next few weeks and

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<v Speaker 1>not just Winter is Coming. And of course he lists

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<v Speaker 1>off all of these other events that they've got coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think, and this is speculation, but I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's really not speculation to a degree. I mean they

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<v Speaker 1>shot an angle at the r O H pay per

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<v Speaker 1>view this weekend where FTR attacked the Briscos. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if the Briscos are showing up tonight, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know where Briscos and FCR is not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>taken place in a Ring of Honor, And I would

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<v Speaker 1>be surprised if they shot an angle of the Ring

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<v Speaker 1>of Honor pay per view to send f TR too,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, impact to wrestle the Briscos. So I would

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<v Speaker 1>think that there's a very good chance that very very

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<v Speaker 1>soon you will see the Briscos in a w I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if they're going to sign. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if this would be a a short term deal. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the situation would be. But I think that

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<v Speaker 1>you will be seeing them and uh and surely probably

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<v Speaker 1>others as well coming out of this this Final Battle

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<v Speaker 1>pay per view. So you don't think the first time

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<v Speaker 1>they touch will be for the Triple A Tag Team

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<v Speaker 1>titles in Monterey or something like that. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to happen. I mean it could, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's as possible. I guess. Yeah, So Winner's

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<v Speaker 1>coming is tonight. We've got four matches, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>the key to me. The show is two hours long.

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<v Speaker 1>Hangman Page and Brian Daniels is probably gonna be twenty minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>m j F and Dante. I don't think it'll be

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<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes. Karasheet is Serena Deep and Wardlow and Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Side Out, which will not be twenty minutes, so they

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<v Speaker 1>have room for more matches to be added, more surprises

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<v Speaker 1>to be had. It is it is. I mean, clearly

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<v Speaker 1>this is supposed to be a giant show because you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a World Championship match with Danielson and Adam Page.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would be stunned if we didn't get a

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<v Speaker 1>surprise debut of some sort tonight on the show. But

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<v Speaker 1>how's it going to do? I still don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna break a million. I don't think there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>any shows breaking a million until the New year when

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<v Speaker 1>they moved to TBS and they're no longer live on

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<v Speaker 1>the West coast. We're talking probably about a quarter of

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<v Speaker 1>the country that if they want to watch this show,

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<v Speaker 1>they have to watch it at five PM, so until

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<v Speaker 1>it's live or not live until it airs in prime

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<v Speaker 1>time on all coasts both of them in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the country everywhere. It's not gonna breaking, but I

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<v Speaker 1>could be wrong. I'll find out tomorrow. Back in the

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<v Speaker 1>moment you were live, God, alright, what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>You have been placed in time out by the owner

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<v Speaker 1>of this video or a monitor moderator. Who are you

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<v Speaker 1>talking about? I got banned from my own YouTube chat?

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<v Speaker 1>What's happening here? How did I get banned from my

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<v Speaker 1>own chat? Riveting radio here? Well, I don't know who

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<v Speaker 1>this is? A moderator here? You're about to be out

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<v Speaker 1>of a job. Year that it was went a full

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<v Speaker 1>bobcat Albarez there. I can't even post anything. Who's the

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<v Speaker 1>moderator of the YouTube chat? Give me his name? John Madden?

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<v Speaker 1>Alperez Platter? Who did this? Good night? This is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>I literally can't post anything here? Is that you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Who's the moderator here? Somebody somebody getting me this information now?

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Rose on the twitch chat? Who this is? Producer

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Levell? By the way, happy belated birthday on the air.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, listen, bro, you got you got till the

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<v Speaker 1>next commercial to unbanned me from my own YouTube or

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<v Speaker 1>you're out of here. Brother, that you got it Google overlords. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>boss man, who do you think I am? No, not

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<v Speaker 1>the Monica band myself. Wait a second, did you get

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<v Speaker 1>in a word from YouTube? For all those videos that

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<v Speaker 1>people be watching and whatnot? You should have special status here?

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't there a direct line for you and the president

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<v Speaker 1>of YouTube? Dude, someone's in trouble. All right, you got

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<v Speaker 1>you got ten minutes left and then it's all done.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll shut that whole YouTube thing down right now. Raw

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<v Speaker 1>Monday down in total viewers, show increase from the record lows,

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<v Speaker 1>it had said in eighteen eighteen to thirty four and

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<v Speaker 1>with teenagers the previous week was still the second lowest

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<v Speaker 1>rating in eighteen forty nine and with teenagers in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of the show. Raw finished sixth on cable eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty nine, seventeenth and total viewers. So once again for

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<v Speaker 1>all of you nerds to get angry that we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about when a W does well at the top ten,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to rank only by viewers, that's all right,

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<v Speaker 1>but ras down to seventeenth place if you do it

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<v Speaker 1>that way, tenth in women eighteen to forty nine six

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<v Speaker 1>and eighteen and forty nine, it said, or etcetera show

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<v Speaker 1>down two percent in viewers. So they did the out.

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<v Speaker 1>He did the storyline that lastly had to wrestled three

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<v Speaker 1>times and he had to beat all three men in

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<v Speaker 1>order to get into the championship match at Day one,

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<v Speaker 1>and it did in the first two hours, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was funny because I think when when Dave was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this, he noted that it held up fine because

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<v Speaker 1>of that storyline, but I actually don't think that happened,

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<v Speaker 1>because the first hour did one point six too, and

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<v Speaker 1>the second hour did one point six three. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know that's good and all, but the whole point

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<v Speaker 1>of the story was he had to beat all three,

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<v Speaker 1>so he beat two, and then in the third hour

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<v Speaker 1>when he had to beat the third guy, it fell

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<v Speaker 1>to one point four seven million viewers. That's a big drop.

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<v Speaker 1>So that tells me that they actually didn't care that much,

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<v Speaker 1>or they just presumed, well, obviously he's gonna do it,

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<v Speaker 1>or they were sick of seeing him because, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>dating all the way back to World Championship Wrestling, whenever

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<v Speaker 1>he had a guy on the show wrestling more than once,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, no one tuned in the second time. The

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<v Speaker 1>first time did well, but then everyone was like, well

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<v Speaker 1>we saw the guy and wrestling twice on one show.

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<v Speaker 1>It's we have with Steve Auston. Of all people, you

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<v Speaker 1>put Steve Auston in early in the show, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you put him on later in the show, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know people have seen it. So one point four seven million,

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<v Speaker 1>third hour and that's the story of Monday Night Rob

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<v Speaker 1>this week. Nothing all that special to talk about, really,

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<v Speaker 1>well those theories, you know, the one that makes the

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<v Speaker 1>most sense to me is people knew what was going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. You know, it got to be close. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure what time halftime was that Cardinals Rams game,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a really tight, close game between two rivals,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of which in the second biggest city in

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<v Speaker 1>the country, so you know they're gonna be doing great

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<v Speaker 1>ratings there. Whether it be in prime time or out

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<v Speaker 1>of prime time doesn't matter when it comes to the NFL. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think that's what it was, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think there was anybody that watched the beginning of that,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly after seeing the first match with Kevin Owens, that thought, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby Lashly ain't getting into this thing. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think everybody knew better. By the way, I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>not reinstated on my own YouTube channel. So we're we're

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<v Speaker 1>the countdowns on seven minutes left. It's gonna be it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be bad times for somebody here. See what else,

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<v Speaker 1>We got a lot of Japanese news. So we had

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<v Speaker 1>Romu Takashi winning Best of the Super Juniors for the

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<v Speaker 1>third time. He defeated Yo in thirty eight minutes and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seconds in the tournament finals at Sumo Hall, second

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<v Speaker 1>consecutive Best of the Sunior super Juniors and the third

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<v Speaker 1>in four years. And so it'll likely be Haromu and

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<v Speaker 1>Desperado for the title Russell Kingdom sixteen. You know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>I've noticed that sometimes with the New Japan and actually,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Haromo winning for the third time in four years.

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<v Speaker 1>But then we go the other way and the finals

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<v Speaker 1>of the World Tag League, of all of the teams

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the finals, Got and Yoshi Hashi versus

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<v Speaker 1>Evil and Udro was the finals and uh got and

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<v Speaker 1>Yoshi Hashi won, And so I'm sure they're getting a

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<v Speaker 1>take team championship match at Wressell Kingdom Saber Junior and

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<v Speaker 1>tight Year the champions Saber junior, by the way, not

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<v Speaker 1>best technical wrestler in the Tokyo Sports Awards anyway. Well

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<v Speaker 1>as I love Haromo and all, and I know that

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to sell three straight Wrestle Kingdom shows, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know that you need the bigger marquee matches, But

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<v Speaker 1>when I saw that Horomo one for the third time

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<v Speaker 1>in four years, it's kind of like, is it isn't

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<v Speaker 1>it time to maybe make some new championship caliber bigs?

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<v Speaker 1>Why Why couldn't show have won? This show is awesome? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, whatever doesn't matter. Not this year. They

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<v Speaker 1>need Horomo. They need as much star power as they

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<v Speaker 1>can get. And I if it wasn't Herrome who I

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<v Speaker 1>could understand it. But he's been injured. There's been enough

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<v Speaker 1>strife with him where him coming back and winning this

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<v Speaker 1>thing actually makes sense. And it may be this the

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<v Speaker 1>easiest thing to do, mayven the simplest thing to do,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think in this case it was absolutely the

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<v Speaker 1>right thing to do. I look forward to Robbie Eagles

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<v Speaker 1>and l Phantasmo and other people winning this award show

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<v Speaker 1>Yo down the line. You know they've got a generational

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<v Speaker 1>feud that's going to be rolling on here for quite

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<v Speaker 1>some time, I would assume. So there's a lot of guys,

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<v Speaker 1>especially as the pandemic ends and things start to open up.

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<v Speaker 1>God knows if that ever happens in Japan, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when that does happen, there's gonna be a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>names there. And who knows what Herome Moos status is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be, because again, if this pandemic doesn't go anywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>his spot, and really even if it does go somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>his spots in the heavyweight ranks. I don't know when

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to be, but he's going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>heavy wait at some point there, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>sooner rather than later. So this doesn't really bother me

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<v Speaker 1>at all. So I've been reinstated so life can continue on.

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<v Speaker 1>I still haven't found out who's responsible yet, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing some investigations here as you talked about whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about, but there was other big news. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it how you all the things you lead

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<v Speaker 1>with you don't leave with catsi Uri Shabata coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's this deal about, you know, an extra grind with

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<v Speaker 1>Romo and the Juniors. Actually began the show thirty three

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<v Speaker 1>minutes ago, talking about Kevin Owens resigning with DEVI w E.

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<v Speaker 1>But dude, we knew Shabata was coming back anyway, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>who didn't know that he came back and he said

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<v Speaker 1>I'm coming back, and we got three nights of the

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<v Speaker 1>Tokyo Dome. Didn't wanna think he's gonna go. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come back, but I'm gonna wait till the Tokyo

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<v Speaker 1>domes over. I'm gonna come back on a small show somewhere. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Shabata is coming back January four in the Tokyo Dome.

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<v Speaker 1>No opponent has been announced. Maybe it'll be oh. His

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<v Speaker 1>announcement was one of the selling points of today's event.

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<v Speaker 1>He kept it short and sweet, fighting back too years.

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<v Speaker 1>He simply stated he will have a match on January four.

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<v Speaker 1>Where's Filthy? I think he should be wrestling Filthy Tom

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<v Speaker 1>lawlerd the Tokyo Do be interesting to see what the

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<v Speaker 1>rule set is. You know, he's talked about he has

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<v Speaker 1>talked about on New Japan's website. There's been an interview

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<v Speaker 1>with him that has gone into some detail about some

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<v Speaker 1>of his thoughts about New Japan, and we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>on the last Advo and Mike Show. Where yes, some

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<v Speaker 1>of it is shrouded in Cafevee when he speaks, but

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<v Speaker 1>you can see, you know, much like the Tomahashi interviews

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<v Speaker 1>and other things they've done there, you know, some some

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<v Speaker 1>reality into what he says. He kind of have to

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<v Speaker 1>read but three between the lines a little bit. But

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<v Speaker 1>he's talked about his head being fully completely healed. He

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<v Speaker 1>can take some punishment to the head in theory, at least,

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<v Speaker 1>you know his head is is strong enough for that.

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<v Speaker 1>In theory. What happens when he goes out there in

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<v Speaker 1>the ring, we'll have to see. The match with zax

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<v Speaker 1>aberd Jr. Was a grappling match. Do they have modified rules?

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<v Speaker 1>I would assume that they do for whatever this match

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be, but you never know. I'm not sure,

0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:11.040
<v Speaker 1>And I know kentis tied up right now, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have one match against Tanahashi right at least. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>the name that makes the most sense because he's had

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<v Speaker 1>the most battles. But there are so many people, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it be a student of his, whether it be a

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<v Speaker 1>a generational rival of his, no matter, there are many

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<v Speaker 1>many options for people to work with him. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a matter of how much can he really

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<v Speaker 1>handle on what if there are going to be any

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<v Speaker 1>modified rules? What they are? We're gonna get into, uh

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<v Speaker 1>some of n x T two point oh after the

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<v Speaker 1>break a couple of text messages and emails. Here we

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<v Speaker 1>main man Hamish says, well, Kevin Owens resigning is a surprise.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope his new contract hasn't turned him into a future

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<v Speaker 1>Bronstrom and bray White release since barely a w W

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<v Speaker 1>WE offered him a ten of money to stay. Well, Hamish,

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<v Speaker 1>let me explain something you because I think Hamish wants

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<v Speaker 1>to be a wrestler, So I then explain something to

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<v Speaker 1>young Hamish. Here. Let's say I'm Kevin Owens, okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very talented, great talker, and I know that a

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<v Speaker 1>W would sign me, but w W E is offering me.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say w W is offered me two and a

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<v Speaker 1>half million dollars, are so determined for me not to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's here's two things you could do. You could say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if I signed it for two and a half million dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>they're probably gonna cut me next year, and uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go to a W. Or do I say? And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to risk being fired in a year

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<v Speaker 1>and go to a W. Then I'll just go to

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<v Speaker 1>a W now for much less money. Hey much The

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<v Speaker 1>answer is a make your two point five million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>and then if they fire you in a year, go

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<v Speaker 1>to a W. Don't walk away from the two and

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<v Speaker 1>a half million because you might be fired now. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're somebody there, tell me I think you made a

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<v Speaker 1>good decision back in a moment, Observer Life, I got

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<v Speaker 1>the show. Brian Elbert is here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike

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<v Speaker 1>sumber b b also Wrestling Observer dot Com. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>had things come up this morning. I watch all of

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<v Speaker 1>NFC two point oh yet, but I watched Cameron Grimes

0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:32.960
<v Speaker 1>and Duke Hudson, which was a fun match with no

0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.720
<v Speaker 1>holds barred. Duke Cutson did the gimmick we had the

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:39.399
<v Speaker 1>head gear holding a wig on. Of course, the head

0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:41.359
<v Speaker 1>gear kept getting all messed up and so like. They

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<v Speaker 1>went to a break so he could fix his headgear

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure his wig didn't fall off. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, I actually thought, because sometimes I try and

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<v Speaker 1>think about w W and how they normally book. Since

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<v Speaker 1>Cameron Grime has won the hair match, I thought that

0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:59.240
<v Speaker 1>Duke Hudson would win this match, but then Cameron Grimes

0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:01.800
<v Speaker 1>would you get his heat back or whatever by ripping

0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:05.959
<v Speaker 1>off the wig to expose his bald head, so you know,

0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:08.879
<v Speaker 1>their usual blah blah, But actually they didn't do that.

0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Cameron Grimes beat him in the middle of the ring,

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.000
<v Speaker 1>and then not only did he beat him, but he

0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 1>ripped off the wig and exposed his bald head. So

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 1>as a very very fun match gave a baby face

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<v Speaker 1>a win, which, by the way, broke the streak because

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Raw Monday, every single solitary segment involving a baby face,

0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:34.680
<v Speaker 1>the baby face was humiliated, beating up, or pinned. And then,

0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:39.199
<v Speaker 1>as happenstance would have it, we watched Raw episode five

0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 1>from twenty five years ago, and in fact, every single

0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:49.200
<v Speaker 1>baby face on that show was either beaten or humiliated.

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:51.719
<v Speaker 1>I guess not the Steiners, so I guess maybe they

0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 1>broke the streak. They beat two Geeks, but anyway, so

0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 1>then Duke cuts in here got beaten, so Cameron Grimes

0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:01.679
<v Speaker 1>got a big win and everything was fine. So I

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 1>have not seen the rest of the show, but I

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:09.640
<v Speaker 1>got a lot of emails last night about our main

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:12.400
<v Speaker 1>man braun Breaker and how he looked awesome in there

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:16.119
<v Speaker 1>with Roderick Strong. What a shocker. Broun Breaker and Roderick Strong.

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Good match. So I'll watch that tonight and and see

0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:23.120
<v Speaker 1>if it was in fact all that in a bag

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 1>of chips. Now, you're gonna watch that before or after

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:29.920
<v Speaker 1>a W. I usually watch a W first, but I

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:31.960
<v Speaker 1>think I'll probably finish off this n x T since

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 1>I already started. It might be for the best. I

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 1>would like to watch n x T. I would have

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 1>liked to have got it done this morning. But yeah,

0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 1>this person here, says Broun Breaker versus Roderick Strong on

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:46.880
<v Speaker 1>two point oh, was in all caps awesome? By the way,

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 1>I was told that if you type too many messages

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 1>in all caps on YouTube, it's a it's an automatic band.

0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 1>So in fact, it was not somebody banning me, it

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 1>was it was my own. Why were you tapping up

0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:02.960
<v Speaker 1>typing all caps? Because because the caps lock had been on,

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:05.879
<v Speaker 1>and because you were talking and I didn't want to

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:08.520
<v Speaker 1>miss around, I just typed it. God, you're having a

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:12.200
<v Speaker 1>stupid excuse for everything. Oh my god, Hey, let's ashamed

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:14.359
<v Speaker 1>of yourself. What was the excuse this morning? Why didn't

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.440
<v Speaker 1>see you didn't see your precious two point oh show.

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 1>What was the big deal about that? Come on, you

0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 1>were so fired up you couldn't believe I wasn't gonna

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 1>watch Braun Breaker and Roderick Strong because it's gonna be

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 1>an awesome match. Come on, what happened? What was so

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.440
<v Speaker 1>important in the life of Brian Alvarez that you didn't

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:32.120
<v Speaker 1>watch n x T even though you demanded everybody else watching. Well,

0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 1>if you must know, Mike, many of our listeners donated

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:40.120
<v Speaker 1>to the annual Whale Scout fundraiser, and we had dozens

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and dozens of packages that needed to be mailed out,

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:46.159
<v Speaker 1>and so I left to help my wife mail all

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 1>the packages at the post office. So thank you very

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:51.240
<v Speaker 1>much for getting on my case about it. What a

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 1>chivalrous man you are. Surprise you didn't make her to

0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:57.520
<v Speaker 1>go do everything like you usually do. Poor woman, like

0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.720
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't have enough trying to carry you on her back.

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.160
<v Speaker 1>And the two kids, Oh my god, it's like having

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 1>three kids in that house and a poor woman, sat.

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:09.119
<v Speaker 1>I cannot believe what a horrible person you are. W

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 1>w E as their guy and braun Breaker and Roderick Strong.

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't have to mention is simply excellent, good on

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:15.919
<v Speaker 1>ex t to put the Golden Boy in the ring

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:18.960
<v Speaker 1>with the likes of Gargano, Chump and Roddy. Impossible not

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:22.440
<v Speaker 1>to improve in those circumstances. This was absolutely amazing, added

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 1>with great facials from Malcolm Bivens. So it sounds like

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>a winner of a sounds like a winner of a

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 1>segment right there, everybody, It sounds like this. Bron Breakers

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>is probably made event wrestle Mania within the next three years.

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Who's the baby facing those matches? Actually? Is the Diamond

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Mind still after their incredible feud with Joe Gacy and Harland?

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Wonder if they're still baby default baby faces or how

0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 1>this works because brown Breaker is a heel correct or well,

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 1>you know ron Breaker was on the heel team, on

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 1>the heell team, but but has he been a heel

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>against Chomper? Has been a battle baby faces? Bro. I

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen the show yet. I gotta watch what happened

0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 1>tonight because I know every I think he's been a

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 1>baby face from day one, is what I think, because

0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean the fans responded him like a baby face

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>and literally to Tony D'Angelo like a baby face still

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and literally, he only was a heel and one one

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 1>show because they wanted to do young blokes versus old blokes,

0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:22.800
<v Speaker 1>so they could they could do a storyline where if

0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 1>you're young, you suck and if you're old and you're cool.

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 1>That's that literally was a storyline of that War Games.

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 1>And apparently the old bloke got him at the end

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>because after that match was over. I don't think this

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.040
<v Speaker 1>is a spoiler for anybody. I just said this would

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, Tomaso dumping him on his head, and I

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 1>guess that was one of the high points that I

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>saw coming out of that show, was just their interaction

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 1>and everything that took place after that match. But you

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 1>had already mentioned that, So I'll let you go ahead

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and continue on with what other another weever nonsense that

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 1>you got for today. Because the person says, so why

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 1>did they have Braun and the heel team for War Games? Well,

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>because they wanted to do Team two point oh versus

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Team Yellow and Black or when Blood Millionaires whatever it was, Okay,

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>so they had they had three baby faces on the

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 1>older person's team, and so they decided we're gonna turn

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 1>to l A. Knight, and I think he is now

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 1>a baby face, So l A. Knight ended up being

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 1>on the baby face team. But then for Team two

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 1>point oh, there's three heels on that team, and so

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>they threw braun Breaker on that team because he's supposed

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>to be one of the Black and Gold new guys.

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 1>That's why he was on the team. But he was

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 1>a baby face from the moment he arrived in this

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 1>In this promotion, it was more important to new team

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 1>to point o versus Team Yellow and Gold than actually

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 1>just have four baby faces versus four heels. That's what happened. Well,

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 1>you saw one thing on that show, and that was

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Duke Hudson wearing the fake hair and the headgear gimmick,

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 1>which has been a staple in wrestling for I don't know,

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>at least I guess around forty years or so, Buddy

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Roberts with the free It's hair cream ending up on

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:03.760
<v Speaker 1>his head and then having that ripped off, and I

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>guess of modern times, Kurt Angle, I think I guess

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>would would be the one after losing the hair match

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>with Edge. I believe it was that that he came

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>out and had that same gimmick going. And how I

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 1>know it was only one night and it was n XT.

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 1>But how was Duke Hudson with the whole gimmick of

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 1>having that thing on and then having it knocked off.

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Didn't I just review this whole thing like five minutes ago,

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 1>from start to finish and everything about it. Where were you?

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Where were you, Mike? Yes, I don't know. I was

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 1>trying to compare it to some things from the past

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>and wrestling. I'll tell you a great one from the past.

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:42.240
<v Speaker 1>I try to give a crap about anything you say

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:46.880
<v Speaker 1>about that crapastic show, so trying not to curse here. Yes,

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Curt Angle did it very well. Buddy Rose did it

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:54.600
<v Speaker 1>very well. In Portland. I forget who the the opponent was,

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 1>but they did the whole hair match gimmick, and they

0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:00.080
<v Speaker 1>did the same thing with with the wig. But the

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 1>way they made it work was the guy showed up

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>with a wig because he didn't want you to see

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>his bald head, and so the baby Faces had put

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>a hidden camera in the locker room and they took

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 1>photographs of him with his bald head, and then they

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:20.320
<v Speaker 1>sold him his merch and they made a killing. But

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>no one sells merchant nowadays in n x T, so

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:25.040
<v Speaker 1>they knew it that way, but they should have. But yes,

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>the bald head gimmick always worse. The funny thing is

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 1>he actually looked better with his blonde, puffy hair. He

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 1>looked like a young hook. But now he's bald. You

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:36.560
<v Speaker 1>know it's funny about being bald and wrestling. The hair

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>never grows back. Why now this guy got shaved bald

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 1>two weeks ago and he's still bald as a que ball.

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 1>No hair has grown in two weeks. He should have

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>a quarter inch of hair on top of his head

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 1>right now, but instead he got shaved and the hair

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 1>is not growing back. Kurn Angele's hair never grew back

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 1>after he got his head shaved. Could be worse. I

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:00.960
<v Speaker 1>guess you could end up coming back with hair that

0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 1>looks like canes that he had for a while when

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>he came back. Hey, I the most bizarre, funniest hair

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 1>match of all time has still got to be Paul

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:14.479
<v Speaker 1>el Ring and Teddy Long Loser gets their head shaped

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:18.560
<v Speaker 1>with two guys ever are already follically challenged as it was.

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 1>And you know you make a good point because Teddy

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Long said Aaron never came back either, now did it?

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 1>It's right you don't want to lose your hair and

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 1>wrestling everybody because it will never grow back. All right,

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>let's look at some of these, uh these text messages

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 1>here four to five seven eight zero seven five six

0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>six What is on your mind? Everybody? I'm gonna read

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 1>that one. Oh, let's see. Not to mention, sixty something

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 1>year old Sting is currently a top star in a

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 1>w The A J Sammy's and Kevin Owens of the

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 1>world literally have ten to twenty years ahead of them.

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Were to leave w W E and still wrestle if

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>they stay healthy, well, not everyone's gonna get the Sting deal. Yeah,

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>that's not that. Not everybody's staying okay, period. And when

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 1>he finally does hang it up after all of this time,

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 1>as somebody that saw that guy's entire career from day one,

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 1>as somebody that saw Rick Steiner's entire career from day one,

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 1>because they in a lot of ways mirror each other,

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 1>with their both basically beginning in Mid South, it's gonna

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 1>be you know, it's gonna be kind of sad, you know.

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 1>And I know he's only a part time guy. I

0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:29.800
<v Speaker 1>know he's he's come back, and I just you know,

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 1>he has been such a you know, important part of

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 1>people's lives for so long and fans, you know, childhood memories,

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:40.400
<v Speaker 1>growing up. And he continues to hang on there and

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 1>continues to give back doing the stuff that he's done

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 1>with Darby and all that. I you know, it's an amazing,

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 1>amazing thing that this guy's in and look spinal stenosis

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 1>and all that stuff too. For him to be in

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 1>the ring right now, it's just it's incredible. It's a

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 1>It's been a hell of a run, it really has.

0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 1>He says. Owen's made it very clear many times his

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>family had he comes underpresent for everything else if he

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 1>received a massive not cut offer, you do that for

0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:05.399
<v Speaker 1>his family? Well, I don't think here's the thing thank

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>giving people no cut offers. You're just not getting that

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 1>w W E. But yes, you're right, his family is

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 1>important and it could be and I don't know anything.

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:17.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, maybe his son likes w W and

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't like a W. I don't know. I mean, it

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 1>could be anything. If you have millions and millions of dollars,

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 1>it could come down to you, which promotion is my

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 1>son like and want me to wrestle in? I don't

0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:29.800
<v Speaker 1>know what it is. But apparently he'll be doing a

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.719
<v Speaker 1>podcast with Pat Laprod in a couple of days and

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>he'll go over whatever his mindset is and then you'll

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:39.400
<v Speaker 1>all know, everybody, well, hey, that's great, and you know,

0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I hopefully he's able to say everything he wants to

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.839
<v Speaker 1>say and everything he needs to say. I'm sure he will.

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, how old is Kevin Owens? Seven? Brian? Has

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:52.879
<v Speaker 1>anyone made money in wrestling at the age of forty two?

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Most everyone in w w ey and and for years.

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:01.879
<v Speaker 1>You know, look, Kevin Owens could just walk out there

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:03.520
<v Speaker 1>at the age of forty five years old into an

0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:05.600
<v Speaker 1>a w ring. You can walk into any ring and

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 1>people will be throwing roses at him. So getting multiple

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 1>years of more generational money under your belt to take

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:17.279
<v Speaker 1>care of your family, whether they fire you tomorrow, whether

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:19.439
<v Speaker 1>they fire you four years from now, whether they don't

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 1>fire you. He's a smart enough man. I'm sure to

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.040
<v Speaker 1>put that money in the bank and take care of himself.

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:26.760
<v Speaker 1>And as we talked about, who knows what his options

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<v Speaker 1>are there, who knows what his life plans are. But

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom line is, even if this thing goes for

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<v Speaker 1>or five years at forty to forty three years old. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, body god willing he can get in there

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<v Speaker 1>and do something. And in fact, at that point, who

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<v Speaker 1>knows what the landscape will be. But I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>his his stardom and his fan base is gonna dissipate

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<v Speaker 1>at all. My god, he shows up two walks into

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<v Speaker 1>a show in Quebec, even if he doesn't do anything

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<v Speaker 1>besides point in like you know, that's it, people will

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<v Speaker 1>be going nuts over this guy. People have a special

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<v Speaker 1>relationship and a connection with Kevin Owens that much like

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<v Speaker 1>a Moxley and and some other people in wrestling. I

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think that gets underplayed sometimes that there

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<v Speaker 1>are people who are fiercely loyal Kevin Owens fans and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fiercely loyal of the decisions that he makes. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, forty three years old, he's done with that contract.

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<v Speaker 1>All he's gonna do is look at somebody in some places,

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<v Speaker 1>and people will still be losing their minds. The first

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<v Speaker 1>of us to know where Harland ranks and all time

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<v Speaker 1>debut matches. Bro I got one message yesterday about Harland's debut,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was that he almost killed Brian Kendrick. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what happened. I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You not see the gift of this one. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's more of a comedic thing too. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't think he killed him because it was

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<v Speaker 1>such a pratt fall from Kendrick. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't hear as much as I heard about a hook.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, I'll watch it tonight. I'll let

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<v Speaker 1>you know tomorrow. Maybe Harland is a new hook, like

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<v Speaker 1>in a moment you were alive back in the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Bryan Elba is here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike simper Viv

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<v Speaker 1>also Wrestling observers dot com. This person says a fan

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<v Speaker 1>had a sign last night that said that she was

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three and it was her first n x T show.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's cool. I have no problem with that. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it made me think about this because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they've got one viewer down for Wednesday night. Then I

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<v Speaker 1>guess they've got all these they got these colors, and

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<v Speaker 1>they got these you know, they're hiring all these good

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<v Speaker 1>looking people, taking the clothes off, all the women, buffing

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<v Speaker 1>all the dudes up, and and the idea is like

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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to attract younger viewers, right, that's the idea.

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<v Speaker 1>But if only the demos are not attracting any young viewers,

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<v Speaker 1>they're writing old viewers. So it sounds like to me,

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<v Speaker 1>is what they're doing with the show. It's not attracting

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<v Speaker 1>young viewers, but it is making old viewers feel young again.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the cocoon of wrestling programs. Well, I mean, did

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<v Speaker 1>that sound about right? Because I mean everything they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>is supposed to be about youth, youth, youth, youth, youth,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not attracting youth. It's attracting old people. So

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the old people watch the show, they're like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I was in my my thirties watching

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<v Speaker 1>this show, which is cool for the old people. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe the chickens have just come home to

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<v Speaker 1>roost on you know, this type of programming, because what

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<v Speaker 1>did n XT previously feel like For a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed to attract people that we're old r o

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<v Speaker 1>H fans or had that type of you know vibe

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<v Speaker 1>to them that seemed to be attracted to that show

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<v Speaker 1>more than they were the eight w shows. And it

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<v Speaker 1>felt like, boy, this is a ring of honor used

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<v Speaker 1>to be And I don't know, I mean everything they

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<v Speaker 1>do exkews so old. Maybe it's just there's that that's

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<v Speaker 1>just just not that basic to tap from, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what they got to developed desperately. We're at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody want to thank Mike has always colors and listeners

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