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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew.

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Speaker 2: John.

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Speaker 3: It's good to see you all right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it's good to be with you too, watching

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Speaker 4: us or listening to us, the three of us enjoying

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Speaker 4: this podcast and.

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Speaker 2: Bad taste in the mouth from last week.

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Speaker 4: And judging by some of the stuff we've thought, some

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Speaker 4: of the stuff we've heard, some of the stuff we've said. Man,

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Speaker 4: you thought the Texans lost by about three touchdowns and

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Speaker 4: then it's weird because you lost on a game winning

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Speaker 4: walk off field goal. And I'm not saying I'm not

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Speaker 4: absolving any of the stuff because there were some bad things,

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Speaker 4: very bad things Texans did, but it's still it's that's

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Speaker 4: why this league is the best league of all time

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Speaker 4: any sport anywhere, because it's so razor thin and I

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Speaker 4: don't know it's it's been done before, and it's been

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Speaker 4: done before by the Texans. But you go plus three

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Speaker 4: and turn over to French rolle and you still lose.

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Speaker 4: And that's that speaks, I think, more broadly to how

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Speaker 4: amazing this league is and nobody wants to hear that.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not going to keep beating that dead horse.

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Speaker 4: But it's just so weird, man, Like the Plexans Texans

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Speaker 4: played the way they did, or the Plexans tade the

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Speaker 4: way they did, but they they still lost, they still

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Speaker 4: almost won.

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Speaker 2: You know understand what I'm Yeah, I mean it.

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Speaker 3: You know I've been I'm not trying.

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Speaker 4: To sugarcoat and then no, I'm not gonna don't want

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Speaker 4: to thirty more seconds on this.

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Speaker 3: You know what, you know what Drew.

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Speaker 5: If you do try and sugarcoat in any way, shape

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Speaker 5: or form, you'll get a called to Homer or or

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Speaker 5: you know you're biased, or you know, whatever the case

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Speaker 5: might be.

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Speaker 2: Man, I'm not sugarcoating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more about like the league. Yeah, yeah, I understand.

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Speaker 5: I'm just I'm just warning you because the second that

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Speaker 5: then all of a sudden.

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Speaker 3: You get skewered.

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, it's it's been kind of an interesting

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Speaker 5: reaction to the to the loss, and I'm a little

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Speaker 5: bit perturbed by it in a certain way, just kind

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Speaker 5: of based on what you said. You know, it's a

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Speaker 5: really it's a really difficult league to win in. And

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Speaker 5: you know, I was very clear during the broadcast. It

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Speaker 5: was very clear on Texas Monday. It was you can't.

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Speaker 5: You can't go through a game and give up eleven

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Speaker 5: TFLs and your quarterback sacked four times and think you're

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Speaker 5: gonna win a game even when you go three three

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Speaker 5: to zero plus three and turnover margin, even though your

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Speaker 5: defense plays a relatively solid ball game, holding the Packers

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Speaker 5: like fifty yards under their season average total yardage wise,

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Speaker 5: and your special teams plays its guts out. You know

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Speaker 5: of the better teams in the league, a top ten team,

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Speaker 5: and you come up with one tipped interception on the

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Speaker 5: last drive that was that close, that hits Eric Murray's hands.

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Speaker 5: If you're able to tip that to yourself and complete

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Speaker 5: you win a game, you steal that game, then what

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Speaker 5: are you saying?

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Speaker 3: That's your point about razor things?

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Speaker 4: Tell you what you're saying. What you're saying is, boy,

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Speaker 4: that Sexans have a lot of stuff they can clean up,

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Speaker 4: which is that we're saying earlier in the season they've

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Speaker 4: sword same sort of way.

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Speaker 5: But to that, to that end, I'm I'm relatively frustrated

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, like m hm, but like one loss of

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Speaker 5: the Packers. And I'm not saying that that losing is acceptable.

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Speaker 5: And by no means was I happy leaving lambeau Field.

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Speaker 5: I was probably more upset than anybody, considering, you know,

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Speaker 5: the things that I was to think, the people that

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Speaker 5: it's it's been really frustrating to see that to you know,

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Speaker 3: That's not the case. You know, It's a five and.

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Speaker 5: Two team that has struggled at times, has not found

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Speaker 5: it's its way at times, but it's five and freaking

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Speaker 5: two and want some damn good ball games, So you

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Speaker 5: know what, let it right itself.

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Speaker 3: Go beat the Colts. And now you're six and two. Relax,

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Speaker 3: drink a freaking beer like a medello. Okay, and go

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Speaker 4: Well, since you bring that up, let's absolve everything, and

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Speaker 4: let's raise a medello to Andre Johnson because we're celebrating

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Speaker 4: the Pro Football Hall of Famer this weekend.

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Speaker 2: He's getting his ring this weekend.

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Speaker 4: And somebody that I talked with in the hall, I

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Speaker 4: and she does a fantastic job, and she put together

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Speaker 4: she just about twenty minutes ago before we about five

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Speaker 4: stop you really quick and just tell you how weird

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Speaker 4: still can't believe it, but Andre Johnson's finally in the

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Speaker 4: Pro Football Hall of Fame. And I know exactly what

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Speaker 4: she means. I know it now when I'm writing stuff

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Speaker 4: in every way possible to say Pro Football Hall of

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Speaker 4: Famer Andre Johnson before everything, not Texans wide receiver, not

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Speaker 4: all time Pro Football Hall of Famer, and.

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Speaker 3: It's so or he should be in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 4: I get a little inside tingle smile going when I

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Speaker 2: So it's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 4: A lot of his former teammates, a lot of former

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Speaker 4: here this weekend for the celebration. He'll get his ring

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Speaker 4: at the half. There's gonna be all sorts of fun

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Speaker 4: videos throughout the game. I imagine where we hear from you, Andre,

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Speaker 4: former players and whatnot later today for shooting this on Wednesday.

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Speaker 4: On Wednesday a goat talk, which is if you haven't

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Speaker 4: seen it, please check these out. This will be the

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Speaker 1: Me in Canton.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations. Back in January, he did a Goat talk with

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Speaker 4: Andre and Jonathan Joseph, former Pro Bowl corner and one

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Speaker 4: of Dre's best friends. Dre and JJO host these things

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Speaker 4: and they just basically ask questions of people. They also

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Speaker 4: did one with Michael Irvin. It was dynamite. It's one

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Speaker 4: of the best hours you will ever mean, it's so

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Speaker 4: much fun and the stuff they covered phenomenal. But the

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Speaker 4: one coming out this week today is with Gary Kubiak.

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Speaker 4: So that's a pretty fun one. And think about it.

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Speaker 4: We've said it a few times on the show. You've

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Speaker 4: said it a few times with Vandermier over the years.

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Speaker 4: Two thousand and eight, is Kubiak was the head coach,

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Speaker 4: Demico Ryans was playing get dan Orlovsky as a backup nine.

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Speaker 4: then on the coaching staff, you also had way down

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Speaker 4: He had McDaniel. You know, you had Kyle Shanahan as

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Speaker 4: in this in this episode. That is pretty fun and yeah,

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Speaker 4: go talk John. We've had a fun time with this thing.

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Speaker 4: Shaquille O'Neil was in the building a week ago, the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely cool. It's been cool to see those goat

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, Indianapolis Colts come to town, so let's let's

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Speaker 4: do our cream of the crop award, winner of the crop. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: thank you much, a man ready savage. If the Texans

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Speaker 4: moved to six and two on the season, it will

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Speaker 4: be because they've beaten the Indianapolis Colts. So who will

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Speaker 2: In your mind, you're cream of the cropper.

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Speaker 4: Because we don't know yet about DeForest Buckner, we don't

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Speaker 2: I'll just assume they're gonna play now.

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Speaker 4: There's lots of ways you could go with this about

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Speaker 3: I've tried to think of the right way to say this.

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Speaker 5: Because I don't even feel like the cream of the

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Speaker 5: know exactly how I need to say this, Drew, but

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Speaker 5: Tech's has to be offensive line cohesion. It's it's almost

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Speaker 5: the five guys up front have got to have better communication.

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Speaker 5: As Debika Ryan's pointed out, They've got.

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Speaker 3: To be on the same page more often.

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Speaker 5: They've got to make sure that there are not free

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Speaker 5: I don't know if it's a particular person this week,

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Speaker 5: Drew and I and I don't know the right way

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Speaker 5: of saying it other than I just call it offensive

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Speaker 5: line cohesion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Because think about it, something is not cohesive, Something is

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Speaker 4: going to change too. Demico all but said it in

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Speaker 4: his Monday press conference without saying it. He was asked,

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Speaker 4: He's like, well, everything's on the table.

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Speaker 2: And that's that said.

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Speaker 4: Friends, most of you know this, but if you don't,

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Speaker 4: I mean, something's gonna change, whether it's personnel wise, somebody's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say exactly.

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Speaker 5: And so because of taking that into account too, like

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Speaker 3: That are going to be asked to create holes for

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Speaker 5: it pertains to changes, but probably the easiest one.

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Speaker 3: Is on the easiest.

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Speaker 5: It's not the easiest to change people in out of lineup,

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Speaker 3: The last how many of weeks.

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Speaker 5: But you start talking about the personnel that's out there, like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Of this issue.

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Speaker 5: Because the Texans are five and two, as I've pointed

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Speaker 5: out hopefully eloquently, but those two losses of coming games

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Speaker 5: and the game against the Vikings it was a struggle

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Speaker 5: the cream of the cropper must be offensive line cohesion.

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Speaker 5: I knew I took a lot off the play there,

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Speaker 3: But I took a lot off there with the offensive line.

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Speaker 4: So I know that he still left my choice open,

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Speaker 4: which is perfect good close And if you're listening, I'm

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Speaker 2: Is close.

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Speaker 4: Tank Dell was to catching a touchdown there on the

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Speaker 4: opening drive, and if that happens, I wonder what the

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Speaker 4: rest of the the calculus of the game is. He

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Speaker 4: CJ just couldn't see him or get the ball to

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Speaker 4: him or whatever. I think Tank Dell has a nice game.

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Speaker 4: I just think he had a rougher game against the Packers,

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Speaker 4: get get his chances later. I think Tank Dell has

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Speaker 2: Colts, Yeah, excuse me, the Colts in Week one.

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Speaker 4: In Week one, packers are aware too, indeed. Yeah, which

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Speaker 4: that's another story in itself, Joe Mixon, but they're very

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Speaker 4: think Tank Dell makes some impact plays in this one,

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Speaker 4: and that's who I'm going with. I do not think

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Speaker 4: he's it's just I think he's gonna go off. I

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Speaker 4: think he's gonna have a good game. And that's who

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Speaker 4: my Cream of the Crop Award winner shall be. All right,

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Speaker 4: This is Texans in the Lab presented by Infinity. We're

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Speaker 4: having a fun time doing this with you. It's me

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Speaker 4: and it's john and it's you. Thank you so much

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Speaker 4: for watching celebrate Andre Johnson this weekend because he's getting

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Speaker 4: his Pro Football Hall of Fame ring, and I like,

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Speaker 4: it's not getting old, man, it's not getting old that

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Speaker 4: he's a Pro Football Hall of Famer. Maybe it will someday,

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Speaker 4: but I don't think think it's going to be for me.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: It's so much fun that he's a Pro Football Hall

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Speaker 2: You excited about it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I love it. I think it's great and

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Speaker 5: it's been great. And whenever you're the first to have

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Speaker 5: done something, that's why we talk about the twenty eleven

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Speaker 3: The first, first to do things. Yeah, twenty eleven team

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Speaker 3: was the first to do it. Andre is the first

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Speaker 5: So yeah, absolutely, all right, So long friends,