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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is musician, entrepreneur member of fall Off

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Speaker 1: Boy Pete Wets. What's up? Good to be? Okay? So

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Speaker 1: you got the Stadium tour with Green Day and weez Or?

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Speaker 1: How did that come together? Well? So we've always talked about,

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Speaker 1: you know, like I guess everyone has, whatever your ambition is,

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Speaker 1: you always think about, you know, the the office above

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Speaker 1: you or whatever. So we always talked about how do

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Speaker 1: you do as stadium tour? And we played uh, Wrigley

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Speaker 1: last year, which is our hometown UM, and we've always

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Speaker 1: talked about kind of trying to do like a Monsters

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Speaker 1: of Rock thing, and I think green Day had talked

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Speaker 1: about it as well. So we you know, we're all

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Speaker 1: on the same management company. So I think that's what

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Speaker 1: really UM eliminates. Maybe some of the red tape makes

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Speaker 1: it like more feesa bol to do you know, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of like managing of egos and man, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's just like it's a lot kind of

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Speaker 1: with one band is a lot, do you know, with

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Speaker 1: three bands a whole lot? You played Wrigley, How did

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Speaker 1: you do it? Wrigley. It was good. It was great.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was our hometowns. I mean, did you

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Speaker 1: go clean at Wrigley? We did? Yeah, I mean it too.

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Speaker 1: So whatever everything there's different configurations for everything, but yes,

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Speaker 1: we went clean. So what configuration did you have? I

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Speaker 1: think that we did over thirty And I'm guessing, like

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Speaker 1: there's probably a way that you can do a configuration

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Speaker 1: where you put people behind you, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like I guess you're going to like the full Beatles,

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Speaker 1: I mean configuring Chase Stadium configuration. But we didn't have

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Speaker 1: people behind us, but yeah, we did. It was there's

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Speaker 1: something special about Chicago because Chance the Rapper played a

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Speaker 1: stadium in Chicago fairly well from the Dead. You know,

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Speaker 1: Detroit always talks about it's fan base. Is it a

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Speaker 1: very active fan base or it's just that's where you're from.

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Speaker 1: It's an active fan base. It is where we're from.

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Speaker 1: But I think that and and and Chances the one

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Speaker 1: that's a little is different on here. But people play,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether it's Eddie Vetter or whoever play. You know,

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Speaker 1: people have a special connection with I think Grigley Field

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Speaker 1: people have a special connection with Fenway there's these places

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Speaker 1: where people it's bigger than the city. It's bigger people

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Speaker 1: can sell out Hollywood Bowl and not sell out Irvine

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Speaker 1: down the street totally. And so I think people go

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Speaker 1: there because there's a you know, we made a weekend

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Speaker 1: of it. We did a pop up experience there also,

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Speaker 1: which is always experience. So when we did our album,

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Speaker 1: Mania always envisioned it as you know, the idea of

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Speaker 1: having something tangible, like, I think we live in this

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Speaker 1: world where it's all filled with like this that kind

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Speaker 1: of non tangible things, you know, like likes and things

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Speaker 1: like that, and they all go away, disappear in twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours away ever, and I think, uh, it's counterintuitive,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's interesting to do something that people

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Speaker 1: can hold onto and experience and walk into ensure. Um,

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Speaker 1: you can't take pictures of it, but I think it

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Speaker 1: means more to actually be there. So we we created

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Speaker 1: a space that was like every song, every song had

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Speaker 1: it was like what the album was, but like a

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Speaker 1: physical version of it. How big was it it was

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Speaker 1: in So we found a building that they were going

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Speaker 1: to tear down, so it was big. It was massive,

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Speaker 1: but they were like, you can do whatever you want

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Speaker 1: to because we're gonna just turn it down afterwards. Um,

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Speaker 1: So we built walls and kind of created a place.

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Speaker 1: But it was it's interesting because it was all it

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Speaker 1: became event but you know, like it was one of

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Speaker 1: those things that's in between a bunch of different worlds

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Speaker 1: a lot of things that we would I probably would

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Speaker 1: do differently if I did it again, And there's a

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Speaker 1: part of me that thinks like I would just never

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Speaker 1: do it again because it was just a bigger undertaking

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Speaker 1: than we expected. Like we were literally gluing things as

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Speaker 1: people were waiting in line at it, you know. So okay,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about it is physical. Did people pay to

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Speaker 1: you could you could win tickets people paid to get in,

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Speaker 1: And then I think there was like a package for

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Speaker 1: the show where like you was included. How far was

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Speaker 1: it from Wrigley It was Uh. I would say it

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Speaker 1: So it was like funny because you know, people are

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Speaker 1: the traffic you never know. Yeah, I'm I'm how late

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Speaker 1: I was to this podcast? Is how late I am

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Speaker 1: to literally everything in my life, which is unfortunate, except

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Speaker 1: I'm not late to my just minutes people listening and

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Speaker 1: what's about what I am? And I don't factor in.

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Speaker 1: So I factor in like, okay, five minutes shower, you

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Speaker 1: know whatever, But I don't factor in those in between

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Speaker 1: minutes like where you're toweling off or you're like looking

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Speaker 1: me every single time. Well, the only thing is certain

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Speaker 1: people have a thing where they're always on time, and

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Speaker 1: it could be the most powerful person because I hate

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Speaker 1: when I'm on time and I'm the greeting committee because

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Speaker 1: like you know, if the parties at seven, you can't

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Speaker 1: get there at seven, or you know, there's a dinner

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Speaker 1: and I get there and I'm waiting and I gotta talk.

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Speaker 1: But then there's some really heavy players get on time.

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Speaker 1: I feel really shitty if you're late, totally and I

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Speaker 1: think that it's it's like to me. Uh. I remember

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Speaker 1: being in a meeting. I was in a meeting. There

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Speaker 1: was like a pitch for a movie or something like that.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember. This was like years ago. And I

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Speaker 1: looked over and there was like, you know, like a

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Speaker 1: box of like the spread you guys got, but like

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Speaker 1: like tab the Cola or whatever, and that was the

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Speaker 1: original diet drink from Coca Cola. Totally. And this I'm

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Speaker 1: talking this is like ten years ago. This wasn't big,

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Speaker 1: Like these things had to be out of Prince in

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Speaker 1: Uh in the billionaire in the meeting goes over and

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Speaker 1: get to the tab and I was like, got it.

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Speaker 1: So if you're a billionaire, you can get a tab

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Speaker 1: in the meeting. I hate to talk this way, but

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Speaker 1: private jet and you didn't book it totally. There's certain

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Speaker 1: seats if you can no, you can't exactly. Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: thrilled that you're on Okay, what would you do differently

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Speaker 1: really people either under vastly underspend or vastly overspend. And

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Speaker 1: I think in this case you should lean air on

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Speaker 1: overspending because I think people having the experience are going

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Speaker 1: to come out and they talk about it, and they'll

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Speaker 1: talk about how, oh like it looked like it was

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Speaker 1: out and they're like, oh my god, that was the

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Speaker 1: best thing I've ever experienced. And there's you can't really

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Speaker 1: have a pie chart and like be like, well, this

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Speaker 1: because it's a real feeling. It's like authentic, you know. Um,

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Speaker 1: So I think I would air on spending more. And

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Speaker 1: I would have none of that. I would have no signage. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what's your general philosophy on sponsorship. I think sponsorship can

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Speaker 1: be great when someone gives you the money and says, listen,

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Speaker 1: we have no idea what to do with this. We

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Speaker 1: trust your vision, we trust your brand, we trust what

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Speaker 1: coming to you. I think that is great. I think

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Speaker 1: you to like meet like seven people and we need

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Speaker 1: you to like change this messaging and like that lyric

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Speaker 1: doesn't work for us, it's not worth it to me

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Speaker 1: because then at that point like jeopardizes and changes your art.

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Speaker 1: It changes what your vision was going to be for it,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, like, have you worked

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Speaker 1: with brands? Yeah, for sure, never on like ah, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I think that the difference is uh is knowing

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Speaker 1: And and I think we we as a man, and

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Speaker 1: I think other artists kind of like educated that you know. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think that there's a difference between like doing a

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Speaker 1: taking money that is gonna enhance your art, make anything.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the led Zeppelin example, when they launched

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Speaker 1: this new Cadillac for ten million dollars? Would you do anything?

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Speaker 1: Would say? Okay, that's what I mean. It's almost like

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Speaker 1: an indecent proposal. Would you do anything for ten million dollars?

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Speaker 1: Or at some point your your credibility says no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: absolutely no, No, I don't think you can do anything

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Speaker 1: for ten Okay, Let's switch it to politics, whatever side.

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Speaker 1: Would you go on the record when it comes to

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Speaker 1: candidates or political issues? Would I go on the record? Um? Sure,

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Speaker 1: I think that this we're in a time where you

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Speaker 1: But you into you know, you're also collecting you mentioned

427
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: screaming eagle. Okay, I I've got a tastings I've I'm

428
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 1: not like uh no, I'm not like a real collector

429
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 1: of one. Do you collect anything? Uh? Yeah? I um

430
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 1: let me think, what are What are some things that

431
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: I'm like really into collecting. I have like all my

432
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 1: eighties toys? Uh you have the original ones? Who you

433
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 1: rebought them? No, they're all the originals. I'm like a

434
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: kind of like a what like literally from age five

435
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: seven that kind of toys. Okay, your parents, you have

436
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: any brothers or sister. I do have a younger brother

437
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: and younger sister. Okay. Hempic was the house. It was

438
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: I guess. I grew up in a upper middle class

439
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 1: and it was I guess my mother. She threw all

440
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: my ship up. My parents tried to and I would

441
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,719
Speaker 1: like lose my mind, you know what I mean. Like

442
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: it was like and there and I'm probably should be

443
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 1: in some kind of therapy session for this, but I

444
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: would like, you know, like and eventually they just packed

445
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 1: it all when they moved out of the house. Moved downsized.

446
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: They um, they just shipped it all to me in boxes. Okay,

447
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 1: So other than your toys, what do you have from

448
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 1: your childhood? Oh? Man, I have a blanket that I

449
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 1: have all my baseball cards which are worth and those

450
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: would be worth Yeah, so I'm from like I got

451
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: my baseball cards are from like the junk era, so

452
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: like everything. Yeah. So uh that Ken Griffin is just

453
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: now worth a right? Um? What else do I have

454
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 1: that I collect? Uh? I collected vinyl for a little bit,

455
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: but nothing that crazy. Can you get rid of any

456
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: of this ship? What is it? Marie condo? Is that

457
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: what it is? Because you know, Marie now selling a

458
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: product that's the whole thing. Right, that's like the dream. Right,

459
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: you get somebody to get rid of everything, and then

460
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 1: like you all of a sudden have a brand, so

461
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: you gotta like sell the merch. Although I will say

462
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: I don't want to go uh you know, make light

463
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: of all the people's houses burned down, But I am

464
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: a real hoarder and sometimes say, well, you know, as

465
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 1: long as they have my computer, if the whole house

466
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: burned out, it might be liberating, right. Mine would definitely

467
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: be Mine would definitely be liberating, uh, except I can

468
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: get my kids stuff out. But um, there's definitely a

469
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: point where like I was like, I'm just I'm just

470
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: a collector. And then I like looked at pictures of

471
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: this stuf. People were showing me pictures of my stuff,

472
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: and it like looks like hoarder stuff, you know what

473
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: I mean? And I guess that's how it how it

474
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: switches from collecting to hoarding. Is that like you don't

475
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: know right, Like there's like some like it's interesting, it's

476
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: in your DNA, and there's some dys morphia. There's some dysmorphia,

477
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 1: right because you look at it and it doesn't look

478
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: like okay, may look like junk to you, but I

479
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: know we're literally everything right, and if you reorganized that

480
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: I won't know where it is. And everything has sentimental

481
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: I just moved and for the first time ever, I

482
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: threw a lot of stuff out, stuff that I would

483
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: never throw out. And the cliche, unfortunately is true in

484
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: that you don't miss it. But there's a couple of

485
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: things I threw out a few years ago that I

486
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: still miss So how got a house do you live in?

487
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 1: How many square feet is it? I don't know it's

488
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: all in the garage. But I can't but I can't

489
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: park in the garage. Okay. And it's how many car garage?

490
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: Three car garage? So the three three things are full

491
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: of your ship? Yeah, okay. And then there's a storage

492
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: you did okay? How far? How far away is the

493
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: storage you? I have a close one in a far okay.

494
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: You you go on the road. Okay. There's lamb and

495
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: it's there's all kinds of stuff. You save all that ship,

496
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: A lot of it? I save. Yeah, I saved every

497
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: lamb in it. Okay. So we're in the house. What

498
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: other How easy is it for you to throw out anything?

499
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: Like the newspaper. I have an issue with other people

500
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: throwing my things away. Oh man, this is my girlfriend.

501
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: I what do you do? But I can do it? Yeah,

502
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: but I have a problem with other people making the call.

503
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: I have a huge problem and I want to And

504
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: it's like it's not super healthy, right, there's different I

505
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: see a special doctor for this. Okay. Have you ever

506
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: been in therapy? Okay, Well, it turns out regular therapy

507
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: doesn't work for o c D. You have to go

508
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 1: to a special person and it's called exposure therapy. Okay,

509
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: And there's two things. I don't know if you have

510
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: any issues. Like one of my issues is if you say,

511
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: if one of those can't has like big skulls and

512
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: bones on it, it's very hard for me to touch that.

513
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: So first you work up your way to touch that.

514
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: Then hoarding. They actually send somebody to my house once

515
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: to teach me how to get rid of it. Okay,

516
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: and uh, there's definitely treatment for it. It's you know,

517
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: it comes down to two things. One the O c

518
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: D thing is you're crippling your life by when it

519
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: comes to the stuff, whether you have enough space for it.

520
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: Sounds like you do, I mean kind of. I mean

521
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: I definitely was hold that our garage was dangerous the

522
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: other day, dangerous way something might fall. I guess that's

523
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: something might tip on somebody or fall or something. Yeah. Yeah,

524
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: I had that experience after the earthquake. You weren't in

525
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: l A. The earthquake now living in Santa Monica really shook.

526
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: And I had my vinyl records all the way up

527
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: to the ceiling, and I said, and I moved. I

528
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: was just afraid if they fall, if anybody's lying on

529
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: the couch, gonna kill them. But okay, let's go back

530
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: to the tennis. You play tennis at a club or

531
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: you have a court or what I don't have a court.

532
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: I play like at either public courts or I played

533
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: like there's this one in the valley that's it's like

534
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: just barely kind of the valley that's called Weddington that

535
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: is like it's like public, but you pay so then

536
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: you don't have to like wait, you know, so it's

537
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: like how good a tennis player are you? Oh? Man,

538
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: So they have levels? Uh, I guess I would be

539
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: a four oh or a four or five? Four oh

540
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: for sure? Not really explain what the levels are for

541
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: those people on sophisticated um. It goes through like whether

542
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: you're able to just hit return a shot, of whether

543
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: you well to know the correct positioning, or whether you're

544
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: able to hit an aggressive offensive shot. And like for instance,

545
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: like like Gavin Gavin Rossdale, I think he's probably like

546
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: a four or five or five if not beyond you know,

547
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: what's the lowest? I don't know. I guess one maybe

548
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: or five yeah, But like I think after you get

549
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: past maybe six or seven, maybe it goes to a

550
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: professional somethime. So how often do you play? Oh boy,

551
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if I need to go on record,

552
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: if somebody's listening that I tell that, I go to

553
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: like that. I'm you know, in meetings, I play out

554
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: too much. You play every day. I play every day. Okay,

555
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: what if you miss a couple of days. You're cool

556
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: with that, or you have a jones to get back

557
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: out there. I definitely have a jones to get back

558
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: out there. And did you play tennis as a kid?

559
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: I did not very well, but yeah I did. Okay,

560
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: how did you get back into it? I just played it,

561
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: goofing around and I played. And it's just one of

562
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: those ones that like is addictive the way, whether it

563
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: would be skiing, you know, like once you you get

564
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: back in the rhythm, you're like, oh, I could just

565
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: do this every day, Like if somebody was like you

566
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: could just do I used to ski every day and

567
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: over Christmas ice ski twenty six out of twenty seven days.

568
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: You get a fine edge when you do it every day,

569
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: and that fine edge is very rewarding. Person may not

570
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: even tell by looking at you, but like with this,

571
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: you know you can get to that shot. You know

572
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: you can get it back over the net because once

573
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: you're in that groove and you go out and play

574
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: or ski, when you're not in that groove, it's depressing

575
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: because people say, oh you look, they say, no, I

576
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: know I can do this, and I'm not that I can't.

577
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: And tennis is one of those like really messed up

578
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: ones where like you'll like that's similar to golf, and

579
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: I think golf is the more extreme version where you like,

580
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: we'll play one day and you're the best player you've

581
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: ever been, and then you played the next day and

582
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: you're like literally the worst. You know what I mean.

583
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: It's like one of those like super frustrating. Right certainly

584
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: is okay, So how did you get back into tennis?

585
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: I just like started playing and I just played a

586
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: couple of times, goofing around, and then like I just

587
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: got super into it. I think I had a ton

588
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: of time and I got super into it, and then

589
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: I like went and started playing on tour when we

590
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: like in Australia, I played like with some of like

591
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: the AUSSI pro women and basically like you go from

592
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: being like I watched it on TV, maybe I could

593
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: like do this, and then like I they this this

594
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: one woman hit literally she was like, I'll serve one

595
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: real one to you. And it was like I just

596
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: tried to move out of the way. I mean, it

597
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: wasn't even like about returning it. And I was like, okay,

598
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: So like this is like not in the cards of

599
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: Like I remember when I was a little kid, I

600
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: used to play a lot of golf. Was never good.

601
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: And you got with someone who really dos how to play.

602
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: They're just not hitting the ball, they're working it. You

603
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: have to spin to be at that elite level. I

604
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: mean obviously Michael Jordan could never play baseball. So let's

605
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: go back to the beginning. So you grew up where

606
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: in the Chicago area, the North Side, like the suburbs

607
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: of Chicago which met Wineka. We basically grew up. We're like,

608
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: so like Breakfast Club was set at my my high school,

609
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: but did they film it or just set in terms

610
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: of it was filmed there? So like basically every John

611
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: Hughes movie was set in Shermerville or whatever. And Shermerville

612
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: is not a real place. But there was a road

613
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,239
Speaker 1: that ran between me and the guitarist Joe of our

614
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: bands town his town in my town, and it was

615
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: shermer Road. And so like everything was based on that.

616
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: Like Home Alone was like one block from his house,

617
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: which is where we had had practice. But it's basically

618
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: like this, Like it's all those every one of those

619
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: movies is basically like that our town, you know what

620
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: I mean. Okay, So you grow up, you're the oldest kid.

621
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: Your parents have all their hopes and dreams invested in you.

622
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: I think that I had. I don't know about that,

623
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: but I think that my parents had like, um, I

624
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: was like the experiment, you know what I mean. So

625
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: I was the one that like, you're an experiment because

626
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: of their parenting style or by nature of being the

627
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: first kid. Uh both. I think in the way that like,

628
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: let's go back, your parents had you. How old or

629
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: young were they? Um, my dad was thirty and I

630
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: think my mom was twenty nine. Okay, so that's all reasonable.

631
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: And as your mother working outside the house at that point,

632
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: she was before I before the young Prince came along, okay,

633
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: and then I think okay, and your father did what

634
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: for a living? He was a lawyer, was still a lawyer,

635
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: still practicing. Yeah, you refer to yourself as the young prince. Okay.

636
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: My mom called me the uh, when I was born

637
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: the Prince of Edgewater. We lived in this uh part

638
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: of Chicago called Edgewater Village, I think, And so she

639
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 1: called me the Prince of Edgewater. But it was your

640
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: risk or she really treated you like a prince. I

641
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: think it was humorous. I don't. I don't think my

642
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: mom really, I don't know. I'm not really sure, you

643
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like I I look at all

644
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: these pictures of me when I was little, and I'm

645
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: in yellow and all of them, and she was like, uh,

646
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: you know, like people just didn't have People didn't go

647
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: and look at what their baby was beforehand unless there

648
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: was a problem, Like you wouldn't we just wouldn't, you

649
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And so like we just had

650
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: yellow because we thought you might be a girl. You

651
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 1: just never know. And I was like, yellow, such an

652
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: interesting color to put a baby in a bunch of time,

653
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of the time, you know. Okay, So if

654
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: I had your two siblings here, would they say you

655
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: were the prince and the favored child or they'd say, oh,

656
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: we're all equal. I think that my my my sister

657
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: um in some ways because it's two boys and a girl.

658
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: And I think that she got um some special attention.

659
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: She was. She was different. She was also like of

660
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: us was the was the easiest, you know. I mean

661
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: she's the middle and she was just she was just easy.

662
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: You know. I don't think I would think I was

663
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: like pretty. I was like difficult in the way that

664
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: like I dye my hair and I'd do a band

665
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: and you know, like it was just all you know,

666
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: like I left college, you know what I mean, Like

667
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: it was just all like I was, yeah, you know,

668
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: and it was as the first Okay, what is what

669
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: are your sister and brother do? Uh? My sisters studied

670
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: family sociology maybe um and she is stay at home

671
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: mom in Chicago with three kids, and my brother is

672
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: a fine artist in New York. Successfully. Yeah, I think so,

673
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: I mean off the parents pay roll, off the parents

674
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: pay roll. I think he I don't really like it's

675
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: the same thing as like I have a little bit

676
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: of a of a guy in a band's perception of

677
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: like what my dad and my brother do, because they

678
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: like explain it to me, and I'm like I kind

679
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: of understand, but I don't really because he were he

680
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: does marketing as well, you know what I mean? So

681
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't really fully understand. Okay, and you're close with

682
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: your family and your siblings, Yeah, definitely. So you grow up,

683
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: are you good in school or bad? I was always

684
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: like a very like I had to like, um, not

685
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: living up to your potential kind of thing, you know

686
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: what I mean. It was like a lot of like

687
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: test Well doesn't do a lot of people that doesn't.

688
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: And you're like the you know, the king of the class,

689
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: the class count clown and outcast. Where do you fit in?

690
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: I never out like I fit in where I lived. Um,

691
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I just I don't feel like I

692
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: really looked like anybody. And I didn't really like understand

693
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: the way people kind of like did their thing. And

694
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: my family was always the family that like we were

695
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: like a little bit like the weird family. Like my

696
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: parents would have us go eat it like Ethiopian restaurants

697
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and I was just like I

698
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: just want to eat fucking McDonald you know what I mean.

699
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: It's like I just wanted to be normal, you know.

700
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: And now I appreciate it and I understand it, but

701
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: like at the time, it was like, um, yeah, and

702
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: so I don't I don't think I really felt like

703
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: I fit in. I think I was like probably always

704
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: trying to goof around to fit in. Maybe did you

705
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: have friends? Yeah, I kind of had friends. I kind

706
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: of was friends with everybody, you know what I mean,

707
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: like but like not, I don't. I didn't have like

708
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: close friends until I was a little older. Okay, So

709
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: were they playing music in your house? My dad played

710
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: a ton of like um, like Temptations and a ton

711
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: of like Fogerty, Like it was like anything that was under,

712
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: Like a lot of the stuff was under, like the

713
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: like the oldiest station I guess in my town. Um,

714
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: and like my first concert he took me to was

715
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett, you know what I mean, which is so

716
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: I was I think I just wanted to go to

717
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: a concert so bad that it was like it was

718
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: pretty cool. And I thought like Margaritaville and like Cheeseburger

719
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 1: and Paradise were like pretty catchy songs. So um yeah,

720
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: because I think I just wanted to go to concert.

721
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: My dad was like, I'll take you to this one,

722
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to say I was

723
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: like ten or eleven, and then like the summer that

724
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: I was fourteen, which was what year or thirteen, which

725
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: was so I graduated in nineties seven, so you were

726
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: born like in yeah. So yeah. So this summer, uh

727
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: basically all at the same similar timing, maybe not the

728
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: whole summer, but like, uh, we were at this lake

729
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: house uh that my parents would go to. Um. It

730
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: was like kind of like a group lakehouse. I don't

731
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: really not explain it. It's like family camp or something

732
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: like that. And I water skied, but like the older

733
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: kids all slalom water skied, and all I wanted to

734
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: do was slalom because it looked like a juicy for commercial. Also,

735
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: Terminator two came out, um, and all I wanted to

736
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: do was see that movie, but it was radar and

737
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: I think my parents didn't let me. And then I

738
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: think it was that summer. In the next summer in Metallica,

739
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: Guns and Roses went a stadium tour and all I

740
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: want to do was go to the show, and my

741
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: parents were like, you're not going to that show. So

742
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: it was like this like it was all wrapped to me.

743
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: It's all wrapped up in the same thing kind of

744
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: you know. Okay, did you have the Metallica and Guns

745
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: and Roses albums? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I said, I had

746
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: the Guns and Roses album in my mom's car on tape,

747
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: and I would have to sit there and turn down

748
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: the swear because I knew when the squares were coming,

749
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: and this is when they had like Getting the Ring,

750
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: like and I had that whole getting the Ring speech,

751
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, you'd be ripping off the kids

752
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: to paying their hard earn money to read about the

753
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: man's they want to know about talking ship writting? Do

754
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: you want to antagonize me? Antagonize me? You know, Like

755
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: I had that whole speech memorize and I would be

756
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: turning it up and down, like trying to like get

757
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: to swears like basically like you know, to put hi

758
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: cough buttons from my mom in the car because I

759
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: was like this music school, it's cool, trust me, don't worry.

760
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: But then I would like have to like you know,

761
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: self edited. Okay, but how did you get into Metallica

762
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: Guns and Roses? Um? So I had a group of

763
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: friends that like skateboarded and and that kind of stuff,

764
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know how they got into it. I

765
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: think there might have been an older brother, um Nick

766
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: Poole and his older brother maybe Alex Pool I think

767
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: maybe like made a tape this is back. I don't

768
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: know people would make tapes and would have a bunch

769
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: of different songs on it and uh, you know, like

770
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: Metallica and Slayer and stuff. But did your parents buy

771
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: you albums or was it mostly these tapes? That was

772
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: those tapes? And I don't think my parents, like my

773
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: parents would not buy me an album like that. I

774
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: don't think. So did they buy you any albums? Man?

775
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: Did they buy me? I think that there was, like, yeah,

776
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure there was like um, like R and B

777
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: stuff for like stuff that like my parents would also

778
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: listen to was okay to be bought. But like I

779
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: don't even think. I don't even know if it came

780
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: into Like I don't even know. And this is weird

781
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: because like this is not how people and I'm a

782
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: I'm a parent of three, this is not how people

783
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: parent anymore. But like I don't I think I might

784
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: have been nervous to ask my parents for it, or

785
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: like I just expected that they were it was gonna

786
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: be a no, So I just didn't even Like it

787
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: wasn't even in the like wheelhouse, like it wasn't like

788
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: it would never I would never think to ask, Okay,

789
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: so those are all hard edge? Was that the only

790
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: music you were into at the time, for sure? And

791
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: then I got even harder. I got into punk rock,

792
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: and I got into like death metal and like, so

793
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: you never went to the Guns and Roses Metallica tour,

794
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: you know. I went to Guns and Roses at Dodger

795
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: Stadium maybe two years ago, and it was amazing because

796
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: it was like all these people that had kind of

797
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: like um been like stuck and frozen in time. It

798
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: felt like, you know what I mean, And I was

799
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: one of them, you know, I mean, because like you're

800
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: in the merch and it just kind of like looked

801
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: like you'd just like come out from underground and you're

802
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: like Guns and Roses still around in two thousands, seventeen

803
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: or whatever I always say. And I saw Guns and

804
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: Roses when they played a week at the Forum after

805
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: Use Your Illusion, you know, when and two came out,

806
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: And that was still when they were coming on hours late,

807
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: and they were phenomenal. But like when I go to

808
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: see the Stones now, well, when I when the Stones

809
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: first started doing really the stadium towards whatever, like a

810
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: couple of decades ago, I always thought it was the

811
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: people who were afraid to go the first time it

812
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: was too dangerous. Now they had leather jackets. Was that

813
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: like going to the Guns and Roses Show. I think

814
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: that the Guns and Roses Show was a little different

815
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: in the way that because they went away for so long,

816
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: so I think a lot of people were like, I'll

817
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: never see him again, you know, And and it was

818
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: people who would like and I think in a weird

819
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: way it kind of like you could speak about it

820
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: in in our band, like having to two different portions

821
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: of our career, because there was a lot of people

822
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: like me who was like just too young or told

823
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: that you couldn't go or something, and then you came.

824
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: And I think that the way I experienced it was

825
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: like and the music and art has a funny way

826
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: of doing this. We were like it tricks you, like

827
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: where I was like experiencing it as a fourteen year old,

828
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'm sitting there and

829
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: I'm in the crowd, and like I came around. I

830
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: went with like four people and like some of them

831
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: were like, I don't know, this is like this kind

832
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: of goofy or whatever. But for me, it was just

833
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: like wish fulfillment. I was like, okay, like I didn't

834
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: want to go my friends and the agents, etcetera. I

835
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: don't want to go a because Izz he wasn't in

836
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: the act. And two I had good memories and want

837
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: there are a number of acts like that I won't

838
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: go see again. So okay, you have those things you

839
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: don't go to the show. Did you grow up playing,

840
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: taking piano lessons or any of that. Ship I grew

841
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: up taking piano lessons. I didn't want to do it.

842
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: I quit. My mom was like, you're gonna regret this,

843
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: and like it's the like stereotypical. I definitely regret it.

844
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: How long did you take piano lessons for it? I

845
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: took four or five years. Yeah, but I'll be honest,

846
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: it never got to the point. And like I see

847
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: these piano teachers now and I have to give like

848
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 1: a huge, huge shout out. Is uh and maybe they existed,

849
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: they just don't think exist and maybe where I was,

850
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: But uh, it's fun now, Like I like my kids

851
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: do like imagine dragons and and and Star Wars song,

852
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: you know. I like it's like they do like fun

853
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: things and real things and they're reading music and it's

854
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: like making it fun and making it relatable, you know,

855
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: like I don't think it was the way I was

856
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: doing it was like not super relatable, just sitting there

857
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: doing scales and you know, I don't know, can you

858
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: still read music? I could read music for piano, I

859
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: can't read music for guitar. But okay, so when do

860
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: you make the switch? When do you start picking up

861
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: the bass or whatever? You pick up? Bass is a

862
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: funny one because it's the instrument that, like, people always

863
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: need bassis and it's always the one that like people

864
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: before there, everyone was like, you know, like a DJ.

865
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: People were like, oh, I could probably play that one.

866
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: It's only got four strings. And I think I was like,

867
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, my friends were doing a punk band, and

868
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: I was like, sure, this one's got this one seems

869
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: easier to learn, you know what I mean. So they

870
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: decided to do a band before you actually played the bass. Yeah,

871
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: I mean definitely. This wasn't Fallout Boy, but it was

872
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: other punk bands and whatever. Okay, so what do you say,

873
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: mom and dad, I need a bass because I gotta

874
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: be in this punk band. No, no, no no no. It

875
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: was like so scrappy then, where it was just like

876
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: you were trading and you were borrowing, and the older

877
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: brothers had things, and you know what I mean, Like

878
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: it was like, no, for sure, I think my parents

879
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: actually would have been supportive of me having a musical

880
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: instrument of some kind. But I think this was like

881
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: my thing, you know, like or whatever ports around it,

882
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: but it was like mine, So I just wanted to

883
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: do it my way. Okay, So you learned on the fly.

884
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: You formed the band first, and then you learned how

885
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 1: to play. Yeah, I learned. I learned how to play

886
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: like in in the practices, Yeah for sure. And you

887
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: know I you know, I could play the guitar. I

888
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: can't imagine playing the bass, especially fretless bass. So how

889
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: long did it take for you to say, Okay, I

890
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: kind of understand that us we're getting there. Still think, well,

891
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: whatever I mean, Lars went back for drum lessons long

892
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: into Metallica's career. Did you ever go to professional or

893
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: try to listen to records try to replicate and learn

894
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: from people who were pros. Yeah for sure. And like

895
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: for me, like a lot of like metronome work and

896
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: and and and timing and and playing things that aren't

897
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: in the wheelhouse to fall out boy to kind of

898
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: like figure some of that out. And like honestly with

899
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: Patrick our singer, like he's um so predator, naturally musically gifted,

900
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: Like it's just to me off the charts. Bizarre. It's

901
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: like when you just somebody you know, like throws the

902
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: ball and you're like, oh, he just like knows how

903
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: to do it. He does that with like every instrument

904
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: kind of you know whatever. Um, he'll help me with stuff,

905
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So now you're playing in

906
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: punk bands, you're in the high school. Is it the

907
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: type of thing where it's extracurricular or is it impinging

908
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: on your studies? I didn't care about my studies in

909
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: high school. Yeah. Well they sent me to uh, they

910
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: sent me to a boot camp in um, New Hampshire.

911
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: How old were you when you went to the boot camp?

912
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: I think this all happened around fourteen fifteen. Okay, what

913
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: was the straw that broke the camel's back that made

914
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: them send you to the boot camp? I think it

915
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: was missing like day eighty one at school something like that.

916
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: I'd like, Okay, when I went to school, it was

917
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: like a police state and if you didn't go and

918
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: you didn't they called your house. Yeah, this was like

919
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: one of those ones where you could figure out all

920
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 1: these different ways to like kind of uh, there's ways

921
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: to game it, I think at the time, like where

922
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: you could build up your free periods and you can. Okay,

923
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: and this was regular public high school. This is public

924
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: high school. And then thisbly my last year a public

925
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: high school though. Okay, so for three years it worked

926
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: for no because this is like age fourteen, fifteen, so

927
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: this was one year. Okay, that's what I thought. So

928
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: what you're you're out of junior high, you're in the

929
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: HIG school. Okay. Was this out of the blue or

930
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: were they trying to discipline you first? Oh, I'm sure

931
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: they were disciplining me. Like my parents were pretty pretty

932
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: good about discipline or they were pretty you know, straight

933
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: and narrow. But at the same time, like my dad

934
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: was the kind of guy that would be like Adar.

935
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: We played at this play this venue in Chicago called

936
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: the Fireside Bowl, which is bowling alley, but they would

937
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: kind of like let shows happen, but the guy was

938
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: pissed that shows happened there, which is like all these

939
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: great venues in Chicago. Like the guy like regrettably. Yeah,

940
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: something would come and say, hey I can increase your

941
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: business then totally. But my dad would be at all

942
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: these shows with like the tie in the back, yeah,

943
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. My father came to one of

944
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: my Little League games. I mean he had virtues but

945
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: supported me in my dreams by showing up. Never so

946
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: in any event, Okay, why what did they say when

947
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: they were going to send you into Hampshire? Um? I

948
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: think it was like, you know, like it was like

949
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: we talked about like it was like, you know, getting

950
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: me back on the straight and narrow kind like no, no, no,

951
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: And like now it's easy to like look back and

952
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 1: be like, well it's fine because you were taking these

953
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: these these turns because you're doing art and you want

954
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: to do this that. But like I think that that

955
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: had it gone a different way, they'd be like this

956
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: is this was the turning point when we could have

957
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: gotten you back, you know what I mean? So how

958
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: long did you go to the Hampshire for? I think

959
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: I was there a month. Maybe it's like ridiculous. It

960
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: was like you know those giant like gatorade bottles, the

961
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: ones that like they have for teams or whatever, Like

962
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: one day, they would have you dig a hole and

963
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: put it in the ground, and then the next day

964
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: they would have you dig it up and take it

965
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: out of like just like no, you know, like just

966
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: kind of like how many other kids were there? Oh?

967
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: I would say that there was like a hundred. Maybe

968
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: boys and girls are just boys, boys and girls coad,

969
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: but you were only with boys, okay, And it was

970
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: like all uh I was in there with the the

971
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: lightest record. Okay, that's my point. It's like going to

972
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: jail from the other people. No, I was terrified. I

973
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: was scared of everybody there, you know what I mean.

974
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, these people are all

975
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: like actual criminals, and so they have to decide when

976
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: you get out or was a month set up in advance.

977
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: I think you were supposed to come to some like

978
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: um moment of clarity, but I don't know that I did.

979
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: But I think you were supposed to come to some

980
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: like I'm a changed kid, or like I'm a new

981
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: boy or whatever. You know. I got something like that,

982
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Okay, And so when you

983
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: went back, did you go back on the straight and narrow. No.

984
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: So when I went back, I went to a private school,

985
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: and um my mom was the dean of admissions or

986
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: assistant dean of admissions at the private school. So it

987
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: was very interesting in the way that like, if I

988
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: ever got in trouble there, I would just go to

989
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: my mom's office, and that's like about a hundred million

990
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: times worse than going to the actual I can imagine,

991
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that got me on

992
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: the straight and narrow in a weird way because it

993
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: was just like your mom's just like at school with you. Okay,

994
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: so you graduate from that school and you actually go

995
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: to college for a while. I did. I went to

996
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: DePaul University for local Okay, how long did you actually go?

997
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: I went for so I know. So when I graduated,

998
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: I went to UM Columbia in Chicago, and then I

999
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: transferred to DePaul and I went there for you go

1000
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: to Columbia for like six months maybe I think that,

1001
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: And then I went to the Paul four I think

1002
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: maybe a year or year and a half. Okay, did

1003
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: you fit in inpl I did? I think that? Like, uh,

1004
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: in in colleges in in bigger colleges. It was a

1005
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: little bit like the movie Higher Learning. You can find

1006
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: your like your group. Well, I went to a small college.

1007
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: I stood out. I came to l a if I'm

1008
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: you know, a million people just like big so you

1009
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: can find like if you're at a if. I think,

1010
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: if you're in a big enough place, you can find

1011
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,240
Speaker 1: your group and kind of find people like minded poll

1012
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: and I actually liked, like, I like like the basketball

1013
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: players there, Like there was a lot of people there that,

1014
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: like I think I would not have probably come across

1015
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: or like you know, like had interactions with that that

1016
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: because I was there, I did, and I liked a

1017
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: lot of the people. But we were doing the band

1018
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: at the same time, so it was like, okay, so

1019
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: why did you drop out? We were doing the band.

1020
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: We were doing Fallout Boy, and it was we were

1021
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: doing with the way we did the band at the

1022
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: time was like it's so weird, Like you know, I

1023
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: talked to my manager about it now and he's like,

1024
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: so bizarre he did it, but like we would basically

1025
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: be like, well, what did like Molly Crue and those

1026
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: bands do back in the day, And it was like

1027
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: they we pasted flyers and like stuff like this. We

1028
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: were like on roofs like wheat pasting flyers, which was

1029
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: something that like no one did at the time, you know,

1030
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: I mean at all, And so it was just like

1031
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: it's I think that maybe stood out a little bit. Um.

1032
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: But we were doing about like forty hours of like work,

1033
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: forty plus hours of work in the band, and then

1034
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: you were going to school for you know, thirty ended school.

1035
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: Uh my, my parents did I could take a year

1036
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: off to see how the band went, you know, I

1037
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: mean yeah, and so that's this year. I'm in the year. Okay,

1038
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: so you're playing the base, you're playing in punk bands.

1039
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: At what point do you say, Wow, this could be

1040
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: a real direction. This is what I want to do,

1041
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: like as like live on it. Um. That came super

1042
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: super super super late. Uh, because our band's trajectory was

1043
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: like really bizarrely slow, you know, like it's like the

1044
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: eight year overnight or whatever. You know. Um. Now, so

1045
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: I was like we were playing in it, but we

1046
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: were like and we were like doing the band full time,

1047
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: but we lived in our parents basements and stuff, and

1048
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: we were just on tour in a van and like

1049
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: we didn't have label support, you know. I mean, so

1050
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't like Okay, let's go back you're in the

1051
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: punk band. What's the evolution there to fall Out Boy.

1052
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: We were just in the like a million different bands,

1053
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: and I think that we were getting paid for gigs.

1054
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean paid in like pizza or whatever. You know.

1055
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: I mean like not making anybody. It's fun. It's fun,

1056
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: and um, are you good with girls at that age?

1057
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: Real bad? I was just like fine. I think, okay,

1058
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: well this, you're playing the bass in a band, You're

1059
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: playing all these gigs. I figured that must do well

1060
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: for you romantically in the narrow when that's very important.

1061
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think it was like the

1062
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: band wasn't like cool, you know. I mean it was

1063
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: like a dorky punk band. You know, they're dorky punk bands.

1064
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: Dorky punk bands. How does that evolve into fall Out Boy?

1065
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: We actually wanted to I think we when we the

1066
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: inception of it was like we wanted to do. Um.

1067
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: It's funny because I think we got in these heavier

1068
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: bands that we took really seriously before, Like, so we

1069
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: went from these punk bands, We got into these heavier

1070
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: bands that we took super super seriously, like a heavier

1071
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: like metal was yeah, metal, hardcore, that kind of stuff,

1072
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: And we wanted to just be in these like heavy

1073
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: bands that we like kind of like looked up to

1074
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: um and that was like a grind, you know what

1075
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Like because you're screaming and you're you know,

1076
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: like it was just kind of thankless. I think, unless

1077
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 1: you're in one of those big bands, it's a little

1078
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: thankless and you just do it over night in, night out.

1079
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: So we wanted to do something that was just fun

1080
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: on the side, and that's what fall Boy was. Okay,

1081
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: And but it was different people originally, right, it was

1082
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: all the same people except for the drummer was different, okay,

1083
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: So they were all and was everybody agreeing that this

1084
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: would be a good thing to do, agreeing that it

1085
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: would be a fun thing to do. I don't think that.

1086
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: It was almost like Clay grishasen. You know, the innovator's dilemma.

1087
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: You have a disruption, At what point do you realize

1088
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: that's more successful than the scream? Oh thing? Oh man,

1089
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: that's a good um, you know, I guess at the

1090
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: point when you're playing. We were playing shows in Chicago,

1091
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: and well, first it became that our friends, more than

1092
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: just our friends were coming to the shows. It wasn't

1093
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: just people we were like begging to come to the shows,

1094
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: and this is like pre really the internet wasn't what

1095
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: the internet is now, you know what I mean, So

1096
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: like this is what one but like it just wasn't

1097
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 1: like there was like chat rooms and like email lists

1098
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: and there was message boards, but they weren't really what

1099
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: they are now, you know what I mean. And so

1100
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: it's turned from more than just our friends coming two

1101
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: shows to the fire Marshal showing up at like every

1102
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: show that we played in Chicago and being like this

1103
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: show shut down, there's too many people? How many people?

1104
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: It would be like we would be in like a

1105
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: Knights of Columbus hall that fit like two people and

1106
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: we would try to put like seven people in it,

1107
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: I mean, and it would be like and every show

1108
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: got shut down. Okay, how much do you think was

1109
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: word of mouth? And how much do you think was

1110
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: was sheer elbow grease with your promotion with with the

1111
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: flyers and all the pasting up the everything. People always

1112
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: ask this, you know, like they're like, how much of

1113
00:53:58,600 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: it you know? How much do we need to go

1114
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: on tour versus how much do we you know, need

1115
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: to be in the studio and how much you know

1116
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: is you know, and I think you have to do

1117
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: it all and to me, you know, like I think

1118
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: there isn't intangible like when the four of us are

1119
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: on stage, it's for some reason different than when one

1120
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: of us does a different day or something like that,

1121
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 1: for whatever reason that is. But I do think that,

1122
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, like if you're not gonna get up tomorrow

1123
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: morning and go and do the radio interview, someone else

1124
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: is gonna go do it, you know. I mean like

1125
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: there is like something to be said for like this

1126
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: is you need to be ambitious and go out And

1127
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: do you still feel that today twenty years later? Sure

1128
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: it's in a different way, but yeah, absolutely, Well I

1129
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: don't think you can go right the same like punk

1130
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: record when you have like kids and you're debating whether

1131
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: they should be in like a monostory school or not.

1132
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: Like it's just like it's not going to sound the same.

1133
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: But I do think that's what like the Hella Mega

1134
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: toward the Stadium tour is to me, you know what

1135
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's like we wouldn't do that unless

1136
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: we were there was an ambition to be in a

1137
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: state siphically about the music. Obviously you have your well

1138
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: known tracks if the audience wants to hear in today's

1139
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 1: are Although you have a very loyal fan base, how

1140
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: do you feel not making the record but playing that

1141
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: stuff live? And how much do you want to play live?

1142
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good question. Um. I think for a

1143
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: band like us, it's like our our things always our

1144
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: our attempt has always been to create a culture. And

1145
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: so I don't think that just sitting at home will

1146
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: be you know, in the sandbox will really work, you know,

1147
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: in the sandboxing living room. Um. But at the same time,

1148
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: like yeah, I mean, like playing live becomes different and

1149
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 1: like how much how many of the songs are you playing?

1150
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: Like we're playing a seventy minutes set in stadiums and

1151
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: so we got to like figure out what that would

1152
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: be and what songs we should be playing. But um,

1153
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: we're I think we're Our band is really interesting in

1154
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: the way that like we have one full kind of

1155
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: like the music business is probably has the biggest chasm

1156
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: that it's ever had in my in my time of

1157
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: being alive, between the old business and the new business,

1158
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: and our band is a band that's like got a

1159
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: foot in both, like has seen both a little bit,

1160
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, so it's it's interesting and like, you know,

1161
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: like some people will be like, you know, like you

1162
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: guys should only do singles or you know, like the

1163
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: album doesn't matter, and like for us, it's like we're

1164
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: kind of like all over the place, and I think

1165
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: we have to do what makes the most sense authentically,

1166
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: and I think that that's like that will be the

1167
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: only payoff for us. I think chasing a thing or

1168
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: whatever like won't. That won't work. Okay, But most acts

1169
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: in general, okay, they have assuming they have hits, they

1170
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: have their hit period and then they're encased in amber

1171
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: and they just basically play those hips until nobody wants

1172
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: to see them anymore to every increasing crowds. So I

1173
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: was talking to Pete Tongue and he talking about in

1174
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: terms of DJs, and he says, well, you need to

1175
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: reinvent yourself. Do you feel that at all of fawom? Yeah,

1176
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: And it's really it's a it's an interesting time. But

1177
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: it's interesting in the way that like, when you've been

1178
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: doing anything for twenty years, how do you have inspiration

1179
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: that's different than you had twenty years ago when you

1180
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: were probably hungrier and you wanted it more and you

1181
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: were you've never done it before, you know, um, yeah,

1182
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: because I mean that you have what a lifetime to

1183
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: write your first song whatever it is, you know what

1184
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: I mean? And and to me, it's like that's why

1185
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: we worked with We worked with this kid, Burner Boy

1186
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: from Lagos on the last record. Like, I just think

1187
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: you have to kind of like, uh, go outside your

1188
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: comfort zone in order to find new things. There's just

1189
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: a fine line in the way that like there's a

1190
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: difference between us going and working with burna boy uh

1191
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: and writing a song with him than like me feeling

1192
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: extreme anxiety to have an account on like TikTok, you know.

1193
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I think there's a difference. One like

1194
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: feels like natural and something that like is pushing us

1195
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: to do something that's beyond ourselves, and the other one

1196
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: feels like you could end up being like the old

1197
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: guy that's trying desperately to be I don't know to

1198
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 1: what degree you follow this stuff. But Justin Bieber tried

1199
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: to juice is Spotify. How do you feel about that.

1200
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that Justin needs to do that to me,

1201
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: you know the funny the record came in at number two, Yeah,

1202
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but like to me, I'm like, Justin's

1203
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: like a big star, a big, super super famous, super talented.

1204
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: If you like watch him. I don't think he needs

1205
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: to you know what I mean, Like, I don't think

1206
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: he well, hey days of indie promotion. To me, that

1207
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: to me, doing that is like beneath him to me.

1208
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: You know my question. Okay, let's go back. So you're

1209
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: in college. By time you drop out, you take that

1210
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: one year. What is the status of the band? We

1211
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: were playing this place in uh in Chicago. We were

1212
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: headlining finally, this place called the Metro in Chicago, which

1213
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: I think is twelve capacity maybe or something like that,

1214
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: maybe more may We were headlining it. I remember we Uh.

1215
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: I looked at my parents were like in a you know,

1216
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: the balcony or whatever, and there was like these floating

1217
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: um dildo balloons that were like six ft big, and

1218
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember I remember throwing one at my

1219
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: mom in the balcony and watching her like stomp this

1220
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: thing into kind of oblivion, and it was like there

1221
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: was like a moment where it was like I think

1222
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: she's gonna like let me keep doing this, you know

1223
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: what I mean? You played the Metro, do you remember

1224
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: what the payday was. Oh man, I have no idea.

1225
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: There was the Metro. I think at the time before

1226
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: that there was like they would give a lot of

1227
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: a lot of tickets away. So I think this was

1228
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: actually a hard ticket. But I'm not sure and I

1229
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: don't remember the payday was. I can't imagine. It was crazy.

1230
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: You have the dial Doo balloons. Well, how much other

1231
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,439
Speaker 1: production in the mtics did you have in this show?

1232
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: We had a backdrop, which was like a big deal

1233
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: because we I think we had weren't able to hang

1234
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: our backdrop on tours before that. And that was it.

1235
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: That was the production. Okay, So is that the turning

1236
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: point in your mind saying this could really work? That

1237
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: was the turning point where I was like, my parents

1238
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: are gonna let me do it? Uh. The trajectory was

1239
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: so slow that, like you know, I remember, we were

1240
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: approached by a couple of management companies. They all seemed terrible,

1241
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: um uh, And we were approached. We we we reached

1242
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: out to what we I think we reached out to Crush,

1243
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: who became our managers, and they were kind of like, yeah,

1244
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: we just like you guys, just do what you do

1245
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: because we kind of had these shows where we just

1246
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: play super fast stuff and okay, so the Crush was

1247
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: the first manager you ever had. They were Yeah, so

1248
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: before were that? Who was the business guy in the band?

1249
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: You're you're talking to him? I think that's what I think.

1250
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: I wanted you to admit it though. But the funny

1251
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: thing is usually it's the drummer. But okay, so you're

1252
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: making all the deals, You're getting the gigs, etcetera. Oh yeah,

1253
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: and this is like the times where like, so I

1254
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: remember we played we were supposed to play in Baltimore

1255
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: at this tiny club in Baltimore, and we drove in,

1256
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: got to the club and there was like a sign

1257
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: on the door that said the show wasn't happening because

1258
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: there was snow or something like that. But there was

1259
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: just cell phones weren't really what they are, and the

1260
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: internet isn't like what we were talking about. It wasn't

1261
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: what it was. So it was like figuring this stuff

1262
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: out as like your own booking agent was not super easy.

1263
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: Okay at that point, how much were you working and

1264
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: how broad was your territory. Well, we started in Chicago,

1265
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,959
Speaker 1: the suburbs of Chicago, and we played kind of any

1266
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: show that we could. We would jump on stage and

1267
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: play on the Piel's equipment. From there, I think we

1268
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: played Detroit, and then we played Cleveland and then Indian

1269
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: Apple Lists and then we would just we just begged

1270
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: for tours. We couldn't really get tours. This band Punchline

1271
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: took us out graciously super early, kind of everywhere with them,

1272
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: which was awesome. This band um you know, and and

1273
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: then you know, getting ahead to when I don't know,

1274
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: we we we ended up signing to a record label

1275
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: and uh. From there, this band Less than Jake took

1276
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: us on tour a bunch. Okay, listen, Jake is still

1277
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: working right, Okay, So when you drop out of college,

1278
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: I assume you're like twenty years old. Ye how long

1279
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: after that did you get the record deal? Maybe a

1280
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: year later? And this was a deal with an indie,

1281
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Was there any I know that,

1282
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: was there any money? Man? We had an upstream they

1283
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,479
Speaker 1: had an upstream deal with with Island, but I don't

1284
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: think it didn't do anything on the LP that we

1285
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: put out, so it wasn't There wasn't really much okay,

1286
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: and who recorded who produced it? We had this guy

1287
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: named Shano Keith that we really liked. That was a

1288
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: local hero that recorded the whole the whole album. So

1289
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: how long did it take you to make that album?

1290
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: I want to say this is a time when it

1291
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: took about okay, So standard would be that it would

1292
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: take us three months to make an album, but this

1293
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: one we couldn't afford anything. So like there was a

1294
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: time when we were we were working at the studio

1295
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: called Smart Studio in Madison where they recorded some of

1296
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: Nirvana and some garbage and um garbage of the band

1297
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: not garbage, and we couldn't afford anything. So we they

1298
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: would get us like a case of sprite and a

1299
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: case of coke every week, and we were like, instead

1300
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: of this case of coke and sprite, can you just

1301
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: get us bread and peanut butter and gella because we

1302
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: just have any money, um, and we're sleeping on the floors.

1303
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: Um yeah, we kind of like people are like, well

1304
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: was there, Like you know, like why are these songs

1305
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: and the records like these are the only songs we

1306
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: had and these are the only songs we could afford,

1307
01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: so what is the big break? The big break it is?

1308
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: So we signed to Fuel by Raman an indie record label. Okay,

1309
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:09,959
Speaker 1: how did that happen? Uh? This guy named John Janet. Yeah,

1310
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: he called us up and was like, I want to

1311
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: do so he found Yeah, and we and I have

1312
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,919
Speaker 1: a book, not a book, but I could make a book,

1313
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: a coffee table book of rejection letters from every indie

1314
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: label on the planet. Okay, so you were working at

1315
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: had you worked Fueled by Raman? We sent them a

1316
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: we sent them a yeah, we sent them a demo. Yeah,

1317
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: but we didn't really We said he was not responding

1318
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: to the demo we heard about you. Otherwise he must

1319
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: have heard about us from like MP three dot com

1320
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, okay, so he were there

1321
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: any moments before Janet called you? We said, oh, this

1322
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: is gonna be the moment, but it turned out it wasn't.

1323
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: There were other labels that I really wished we'd I

1324
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: really wanted to sign to UM and they just didn't.

1325
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: We just didn't sign us. Okay, so Janet calls you

1326
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: when you say, yes, he called us and like, I'm

1327
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: you know John Janet and and and I've run this

1328
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: label with Vinny from Less than Jake and usually the

1329
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: other bands that are on the label, and this is

1330
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: the thing. And we were like, what is this like

1331
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: a sky label? I really know what's going on, but

1332
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: he was so excited and he was so uh about

1333
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: magnifying our vision that it seemed right. Um, and so yeah,

1334
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: we we signed to this little label from Gainesville. Okay,

1335
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: but you ultimately went to Ireland. So was this a

1336
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: one record deal? How did you work it out? It was?

1337
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: It was a one record deal with an option. They

1338
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: could pick up the option for how many records? Oh?

1339
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: So I don't know if we I think you know

1340
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,959
Speaker 1: at the when we when we upstreamed. I'm sure either

1341
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: we renegotiated before that record or renegotiated after that record

1342
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: for like five or six albums. Okay, so just Fueled

1343
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: by Ramen still get a piece of all those records.

1344
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how their exact money works, but I

1345
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: would yes that they got a piece of John got

1346
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: a piece of like Futures or something like that on

1347
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: our next two records or something like that. But I'm

1348
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: gonna assume it all probably had to change when fuel

1349
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: by Roman became a part of Atlantic Records. I think

1350
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: that it probably had to be because I don't think

1351
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: Ireland wants to send them. Okay, when you make the

1352
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: deal with fuel by Ramen, you have a real music lawyer.

1353
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: Uh we did, Yeah, I think we we we have

1354
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: the Uh we have the same lawyer. I would think,

1355
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: I don't really know, um, but yeah we had a

1356
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: real music layer. Because Crush was smart about that. I

1357
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: would say, Okay, you were with Crush before you were

1358
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: with Janet. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they helped us. They were

1359
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: pretty instrumental in getting us there. Okay, so the record

1360
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: comes out. What is the moment you realize this is

1361
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: gonna break? Well, that record, I was like, it's not

1362
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: gonna break. It felt good. It was good. It was

1363
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: really big underground. We were that band that like every

1364
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: kid knew and no adult knew, you know. I mean

1365
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: like we were the most famous band with kids and

1366
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: no adults. Like we were not famous at all, you

1367
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you can walk down the

1368
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: street and you could not We couldn't open a taco bell,

1369
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, I mean like it's uh. And then um

1370
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 1: we signed to Island. Uh. We had this song Sugar

1371
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: We're going down on a record from under the Cork Tree.

1372
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: We basically were like, we want to do a video

1373
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: for this song, and we didn't get any airplay, We

1374
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: got no ads, nothing. Uh. We did a video for

1375
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: this song, Sugar, We're Going Down. We wanted to do

1376
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: a video that just all the videos we were pitched

1377
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: were like party in the backyard, the kids are hanging out,

1378
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: they fall in the pool like something, you know, and whatever.

1379
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: And it was like, these videos are not going to

1380
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: be good. And so we had one video that wasn't

1381
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: like that. It was or one um treatment that wasn't

1382
01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,439
Speaker 1: like that, and we got it was like here boy,

1383
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: and it was so bizarre. And so we did that

1384
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: and our fans were were into it, and they basically

1385
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: ran it up t r L and then once it

1386
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: was on tr L, like this is the way it

1387
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: worked at the time, I guess, And so it ran

1388
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: up on tr L and then again this is two

1389
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: three maybe, and it got added to radio and then

1390
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: got crossed and that kind of stuff. How did you

1391
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: handle that you personally? Before the record came out, I

1392
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, is this thing going to

1393
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: be all over because we're on the precipice of something

1394
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: either really big or very small. Um And then yeah,

1395
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: and then it was like going zero to like light speed,

1396
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it was, it was,

1397
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 1: it was. It was strange because I don't even know

1398
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: how I handled it because it was also compressed, like

1399
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: you know, like it was so many things happened in

1400
01:08:56,439 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: such a little amount of first there must have been excited, man,

1401
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: when you realized it was happening. Yeah, But like I think,

1402
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm one of those people that's always like, maybe is

1403
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: it really happening? Kind of you know, I mean, so

1404
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: even after it was happening. So at this late date,

1405
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: do you have a feeling that maybe you could all disappear? Now?

1406
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that we could go on stage

1407
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: and nobody would care or nobody would be there for sure.

1408
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: Every time before, let's just as soon, for the sake

1409
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: of discussion, you never go on the road again. You've

1410
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: got enough money to get to the end, yeah, I think, so, okay,

1411
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: so let's go back. The band breaks, suddenly you become

1412
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: this big entrepreneur. Okay, you're signing other acts, whatever, How

1413
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: does that start? I always thought of the band and

1414
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 1: everything all of it as like something bigger, like the

1415
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,759
Speaker 1: thing that I always liked about like punk rock music

1416
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: was it was like it was a world you know,

1417
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,759
Speaker 1: like you create a world, and you know, like Billy

1418
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,719
Speaker 1: Joel and Metallica and all these artists that I really love,

1419
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: Kanye Out like all these artists I love, created like

1420
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: something that was bigger that you could kind of like

1421
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: go there, you know what I mean. And so that's

1422
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: what I always thought of it as. And so there

1423
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: was merch, but it all felt cohesive to me. Like

1424
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 1: the thing that I like, the thing I've always felt about,

1425
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: like the label and and the bands that I've signed,

1426
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: is the like the thing that people I like the

1427
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: most about Seinfeld is they walk into each other's apartments,

1428
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like Cramer could walk in

1429
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: at any time. Like it's cool that like they that

1430
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: Jerry like them individual individually are interesting, but it's really

1431
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 1: interesting that they're all friends with each other. That's what

1432
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: I always thought about, like the the bands, you know

1433
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: what I mean. Okay, So how did you decide that

1434
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 1: you're gonna have your own label and signed bands? Uh?

1435
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: I first heard this band Gym Class Heroes, and thought

1436
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 1: it was super clever and didn't fit in anywhere, And

1437
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: I took it to my label, uh, to my Too

1438
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: Island at the time, and and I think. They were

1439
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: kind of like, I don't this doesn't make any sense,

1440
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: and like, would you have to sign a band? You

1441
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So I was like, well, that's

1442
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: not gonna work. Uh, And so I went back in

1443
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 1: a called Janet and he was Janet is is very

1444
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: very very good at betting on horses, and he's very

1445
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: good at like, um, like I said, magnifying a vision,

1446
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so he he and

1447
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,839
Speaker 1: he understood all the stuff that I didn't like understand.

1448
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: Like he was like, we're gonna do an end cap

1449
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: here and like this is what the you know what

1450
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 1: I mean? And I was like, I don't really like

1451
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to be I don't I don't care

1452
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 1: about that part of it really, you know. I mean

1453
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: I might care about it more than other guys in bands,

1454
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: but I don't really care about it. And so he

1455
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, let's sign them together, and so we

1456
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: signed Jim Class Heroes and then the guys in Panic

1457
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: of the Disco um Ryan at the time, one of

1458
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 1: the guitarists in the band was kind of like he

1459
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: was like, your band sucks to me, and it was

1460
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: like and I was like, what what is this? Kid saying,

1461
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,560
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh, yeah, check out my band.

1462
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, I'm gonna go check this

1463
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: band out and I'm gonna come back here and tell

1464
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: this guy how bad his band is and uh, because

1465
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: it was just a human reaction. Um, and I went

1466
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: and listened. I was like, this band is like maybe

1467
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: one of the best man's I've ever heard, and um

1468
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: when they called panic at the disco, they where they

1469
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 1: were they were and how what what were they doing?

1470
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: Could they tour? No? No, no, they couldn't even play

1471
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 1: some of these songs. They never played lives, so they

1472
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: couldn't even play they were I went to the rehearsal

1473
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 1: space in Vegas and they were like I was like,

1474
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: play this song and they were like, we can't even

1475
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: play it. We don't even know how, like we don't

1476
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: even know how to play it. Um. I remember going

1477
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: to to Brendon the singer's house. He was seventeen or

1478
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: eighteen seventeen. He was young, and I was supposed to

1479
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: talk to his parents, right, and I was supposed to

1480
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: tell him that, like, don't worry, it's gonna be all

1481
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, Like what ye are we in there's

1482
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: maybe two thousand six, and I'm like sitting here, and

1483
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 1: I remember walking into the house and looking and on

1484
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: the on the table his family's more and on the

1485
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: table there was a book that said Santa and the

1486
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: christ Child. And I remember in my head being like,

1487
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm fucked. I was like, I am fucked. I have

1488
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: no I'm in so far over my head right now.

1489
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: I have no idea what to tell these people. And

1490
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: we figured it out. Okay, you sign these acts. How

1491
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: much did you have to do with the making and

1492
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 1: records and marketing them. I really care about the marketing

1493
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: because I think marketing, uh, when done right, can be

1494
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: part cohesive with the art, you know. I mean I

1495
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: think that you when when when when marketing is done well,

1496
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: it feels like it's all part of the same thing.

1497
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 1: Like it feels like you're like, oh my god, this

1498
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 1: is like, uh, it doesn't it doesn't. It's not jarring

1499
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 1: because it feels like you're part of it. When marketing

1500
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: is done poorly, it is like the worst thing on

1501
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: the planet, and it feels like you're like, well, why

1502
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: are they doing that? This doesn't you know, it doesn't

1503
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: feel barnament talking marketing you're you're not talking like in caps,

1504
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 1: You're talking more like a ven events in the big vision,

1505
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 1: and like what is the story we're trying to tell?

1506
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: And like what can we do that's gonna be uh counterintuitive?

1507
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: And what can we do that like no one else

1508
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: is doing uh at the time. Um yeah, And I

1509
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: think that, like my goal with the bands has always

1510
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: been to a like the thing the best thing I

1511
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: learned from John was to magnify people's vision and like

1512
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: and then to tell people to try and tell people

1513
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: like you can make any decisions that you want to make,

1514
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 1: because this is your journey and it's gonna be different

1515
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: than my journey. But like if you go down and

1516
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: close this door or open this door, these doors over

1517
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: here will close probably. And my it's been my experience

1518
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: that like right now you think that like the only

1519
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: thing that matters is through this door, but like all

1520
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 1: these doors that are like way further ahead in the

1521
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: journey will be closed because of this decision. And like

1522
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: it's I think that trying to be someone's coach and

1523
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: big brother and and cheerleader has been like the most

1524
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: important part of that and like nurturing that and making

1525
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: hoping that people aren't going to make the like big mistakes.

1526
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: Okay if this late data you signing bands, oh yeah, yeah,

1527
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean I'm trying to. I mean it's different now

1528
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: because like okay, so when we were signing those bands

1529
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, there's no major labels cared

1530
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: about any of it, and um, social media wasn't what

1531
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: it is like the people that were on social media.

1532
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 1: It's just not like now it's like every people like

1533
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: that's their jobs, you know or whatever. I think that

1534
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: like between like when us are the label and crush

1535
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 1: and the team is working really well together, we're very

1536
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,759
Speaker 1: very good at taking somebody from zero to eighty thousand

1537
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 1: units or whatever you want to to determine the units by.

1538
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 1: I think major labels are really good, like when you

1539
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: need to pour gas on that and you need terrestrial

1540
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: radio or whatever. But like I don't think that I

1541
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 1: think that they are particularly not suited for going zero

1542
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: to eighty tho and and I think that now because

1543
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: streaming is what it is and it's more about having

1544
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: bandwidth than anything else. That like you sign everything because

1545
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 1: it's like it doesn't cost you any money and like

1546
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: you're getting paid based on the amount of you know,

1547
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: the pie you're selling or the amount of pie people

1548
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: are listening to, you know, And so people are being

1549
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: signed now like before. Like so our biggest problem at

1550
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: the time was that, like people were in bad management situations,

1551
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 1: and that like sometimes was like a really made it difficult,

1552
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:34,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like when you were signed

1553
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:36,719
Speaker 1: in you're signed to a bad manager and the manager

1554
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: wanted to do just had like bad ideas and you

1555
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 1: were in a bad deal and there's no way you

1556
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: were ever gonna make money. That was tough. Now, I mean,

1557
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 1: major labels just signed bands and artists way smaller than

1558
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: I think they would and should. So what's the last

1559
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: band you signed? We signed this kid? Uh, nothing nowhere.

1560
01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 1: Um he's the first of the sound cloud rappers, I

1561
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: guess to really go into the you know, I did

1562
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: that deal with um Fuel by Ramen in Atlantic. Uh

1563
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,839
Speaker 1: and and he's like the first of the SoundCloud rappers

1564
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 1: too at the time to a bigger deal. And Okay,

1565
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: so at this point, you also had a storefront where

1566
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 1: you sold ship that's dormant at this point. It is. Yeah, yeah,

1567
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 1: that was in Chicago. It just was super expensive and

1568
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: didn't really make a lot of money. But it was

1569
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: a fun clubhouse to hang out and okay, and then

1570
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 1: but also online you were selling stuff too. Yeah, but

1571
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 1: you're still doing that. Yeah, yeah I do. I do,

1572
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 1: like a jewelry clothing line online. Yeah, but didn't you

1573
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: have a deal with one of the major uh, with

1574
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 1: another company to sell your stuff in their store? Oh yeah,

1575
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: maybe I haven't done a couple of those deals the time.

1576
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: I guess you know you're not smiling. No, I'm I

1577
01:17:56,439 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: think that any of these things any I've learned a

1578
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: lot in the ways that, Like, so we did a

1579
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: bar for a long time. So we did a bar

1580
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 1: where we had one in New York, we had one

1581
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,919
Speaker 1: in l A, we had one in Chicago, wan in Barcelona,

1582
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: and basically it was like we started this bar because

1583
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: we would go to clubs and they would like let

1584
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: me and the band in, but they wouldn't let any

1585
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: of our other like goofy friends in, and we were like,

1586
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 1: we just want to go somewhere to hang out. Um.

1587
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 1: But you learn a lot about like how much you

1588
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: want to manage things and how like whether you want

1589
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: to be deciding every night, like you need something happening

1590
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: every night in a bar and you want to if

1591
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 1: you want to be micro managing that and if you're

1592
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: not gonna be micro managing it is like finding a

1593
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: partner that understands the markets. And I think that that's

1594
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,759
Speaker 1: the same thing as like if you do a licensing

1595
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: deal or if you do uh clothing, and you know,

1596
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: like more and more I meet you know, aspiring um

1597
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: musicians who want to do all these different things, which

1598
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 1: is cool, Like a lot of them are really cool

1599
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 1: and a lot of them are really big already you

1600
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 1: know or whatever. UM, But I think you have to

1601
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: be you gotta be careful like who your partners are,

1602
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I think you have to work

1603
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: with people that you know are going to be honest

1604
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: with you. And I don't know, like I mean, I've

1605
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 1: never had a um a written contract with crush I think,

1606
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, I remember like j D told me, like

1607
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: I don't I don't ever want to be in court

1608
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: uh with somebody that I work with. And and that's

1609
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 1: like the thing that makes the most sense to me

1610
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 1: is that, like you have to find partners that like

1611
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 1: where you understand each other and you understand each other's

1612
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 1: strengths and weaknesses and you try to fill in those cracks.

1613
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: So how did the bar end? Oh man? So the bar, so,

1614
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 1: the one that we had in New York was basically

1615
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: like this tiny, tiny, tiny bar in in Alphabet City

1616
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: and it was impossible going to drink when it was filled,

1617
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: and we had great karaoke there. But basically they would

1618
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: send like, uh, a twenty year old undercover police officer

1619
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 1: like one year and would you know, like it's so

1620
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: hard listen, I'm not alreading at the door, but like

1621
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 1: obviously like the tabloid headline, it's like that I am,

1622
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, but like a thirty thousand dollar ticket can

1623
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 1: put you out of business when you're a bar that small,

1624
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So did you wait? It

1625
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: never became my bar until it was like in in

1626
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: the tabloid headline when it was like served to an

1627
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:19,600
Speaker 1: underage cop, it was my bar, but like otherwise it

1628
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: wasn't okay. So what do you think of the tabloids

1629
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: and uh and social media discussion today? Um, I mean,

1630
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: I think the people are able to use social media

1631
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: in a way that, uh, you're able to respond to

1632
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 1: things that are you know, like you're able to like

1633
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: like I follow Kim Kardashian and she's able to respond

1634
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: and be like that's not true. This is true, Like

1635
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: this is actually what happened, you know, like Kanye didn't

1636
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: fall off a horse at Sunday Service. That's not real

1637
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, like in a way that I

1638
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: guess you couldn't have before. Um, And I think that,

1639
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 1: like it's interesting because there's like a whole lot of people.

1640
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: It's just like again there's like the cow as. I'm

1641
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: so big between like the people who are like living

1642
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: old like mystery and people who are like like the

1643
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: new age who film everything. You know, there's just like

1644
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: a big divide between them, you know what I mean,

1645
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: that's clearly like a generational divide. You know, I lived

1646
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,639
Speaker 1: next to I used to live next to YouTuber's. Um.

1647
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 1: They were the nicest people that I think that I've

1648
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 1: ever had as neighbors. But like you would go, you

1649
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,719
Speaker 1: go to their house and they film like absolutely everything,

1650
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, right, Well, you know, most YouTubers burned out

1651
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: because they gotta to create that content satiate their audience

1652
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. But you were tabloid fodder when

1653
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 1: you were married to Ashley Simpson. So how did what

1654
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 1: was that experience, Like, Um, it's very difficult to It's

1655
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 1: I think it's really hard to navigate life when there's

1656
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 1: constantly headlines of people being like you're doing this, you're

1657
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 1: doing that, You're not doing that, you know what I mean. Like,

1658
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 1: I think it's until you realize that, like you just

1659
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: want to you're just gonna be who you are, you

1660
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, and it doesn't really matter

1661
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 1: if people take pictures of you, like picking your nose

1662
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 1: or whatever. It is, like you just have to Once

1663
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 1: you come to terms with that, then I think it's

1664
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: all right. It's interesting, Like I listened to um Leonardo

1665
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 1: and and I don't I'm not close enough with him

1666
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,679
Speaker 1: to call Leo, I think, but uh and and Brad

1667
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 1: Pitt talking and they were just talking about how like

1668
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: he was talking about how like you know, his friends

1669
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: always find like you know, like try to find ways

1670
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 1: to game the thing where they'll have they'll he'll they'll say,

1671
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 1: like you put on I'll put on your hat and

1672
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: I'll put on the sunglass and I'll walk out, you

1673
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: know or whatever, and he's like it just never works,

1674
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: and it's like it it doesn't, you know what I mean.

1675
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: Like I think that like, uh, that relentless interest in

1676
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 1: what entertainers or whoever do, like you know, like is

1677
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: like like I had a guy yesterday who asked me, like,

1678
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: what my opinion on like the Royal is leaving? And

1679
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I haven't even really like ever thought

1680
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 1: of I don't know why anybody would want my opinion

1681
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: because I just like have never even really never for

1682
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: you to say something outrageous. I'm sure you know what

1683
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: I mean. Um, it's just it's yeah, it's it's it's

1684
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 1: super super super bizarre. Like it doesn't it feels like

1685
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: you're in a simulation or something like that, you know

1686
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,759
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it doesn't feel real life. Okay,

1687
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: So at this late stage, you've achieved so much, but

1688
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 1: is there a dream beyond this? Man, there's always dreams.

1689
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 1: There's like you know, I remember our band, Uh, this

1690
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: is a dream, an unachieved dream that I don't think

1691
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 1: we can't that I don't think we can achieve. But

1692
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: it was this is the way that I think in

1693
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: our band things is that I remember being late at

1694
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 1: night and I was like, I want to be the

1695
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,679
Speaker 1: first band to play on every continent, all five continents,

1696
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 1: emailed to my manager. He goes, it's great, there's seven continents,

1697
01:23:55,680 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: but like, actually it's crazy. Uh and um, so we

1698
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: went and we took uh. We went and played in Chile,

1699
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 1: and then we took a trip to the southernmost point

1700
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:14,719
Speaker 1: of Chile, which is called Punta Arenas, and we basically

1701
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 1: stayed in this town, um, waiting to fly to Antarctica,

1702
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,640
Speaker 1: and like we were taking a C one thirty or

1703
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: something to Antarctica, but it was the runway was never

1704
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: clear because we came at the very last time you

1705
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: could really fly to Antarctica, and we were in this town,

1706
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 1: in this hotel, and like the last interesting thing that

1707
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 1: had kind of happened there was like sheep or something.

1708
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 1: So we were like we were like the Beatles. Our

1709
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: hotel was surrounded with people like freaking out, and how

1710
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 1: many people lived there at that time. I think we

1711
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 1: had the whole town outside of us, you know what

1712
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it was actually it was just it

1713
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: was big because there was nothing else, you know what

1714
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 1: I mean. Um, And we didn't end up we didn't

1715
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: end up being able to make the we didn't end

1716
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 1: up actually being able to ever fly to to Antarctica

1717
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:55,679
Speaker 1: and we never were the first man, I think Metallica

1718
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 1: ended up doing Ittallica did go to Antic, so they

1719
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: did that. They were know but like I think to me,

1720
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:09,839
Speaker 1: things like that are are interesting, like the playing places

1721
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: that we've never been and uh, like that's what's interesting.

1722
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 1: And like being and learning from the cultures and being

1723
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 1: able to like infuse that back into the music and

1724
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: like that's what's interesting. Those are like the like I

1725
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 1: mean the stadium tour um, like these things are all

1726
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 1: like okay, But you're a multifaceted guy. Dude, what do

1727
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,719
Speaker 1: you see yourself? You see yourself as a bass player,

1728
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: a lyric writer, member of the band, uh A and

1729
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: R guy, how do you see yourself? What's the most

1730
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: important thing to you? Oh, it's my the most important

1731
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: thing to me, um, besides my family. Um. You know.

1732
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 1: I I always talked to my manager J D H

1733
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 1: and I think that you know, we talked about like

1734
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 1: how his book or my book would be titled like

1735
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: My Proximity to Greatness, And it's like I just really

1736
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: like being around people and like pouring the gasoline on

1737
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 1: their thing and like seeing their thing happen and be

1738
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 1: a part of it. You know what I mean, and

1739
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 1: especially when it's like something that nobody ever thought was

1740
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: gonna happen, you know what I mean, or like it

1741
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,719
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere, and that's like the most exciting

1742
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 1: to me. And like seeing like you know, Brendan you know,

1743
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: backflipping with like Taylor Swift on a you know, like

1744
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, like is this happening? Like

1745
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: this kid was like in you know, like I was

1746
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 1: looking at Santa and the christ Child at his house

1747
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: like thinking like oh my god, like what am I doing?

1748
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: You know? I mean, like so those that's for sure

1749
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:37,799
Speaker 1: the most exciting thing to me is like the rooting

1750
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: for the underdog when the underdog like gets a hidden

1751
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, like that's by far the most interesting. Okay,

1752
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 1: you pretty much have access to anything. Your name big

1753
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 1: enough opens every door or not. Oh no, I don't

1754
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: think so. I think that like so like man, it's

1755
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: so funny because I think the access keeps changing as

1756
01:26:58,400 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 1: you go up, you know what I mean, Like we

1757
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: play you know, uh uh President Obama's inaugural ball and

1758
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 1: and oh book that I mean, I guess it probably

1759
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: went through c A, you know what I mean, that

1760
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: he has seven ball. The the president has seven balls,

1761
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: and there was a youth ball and at the youth ball,

1762
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 1: I guess they probably I don't know, I don't know

1763
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: what the algorithm is, but they got us Usher and

1764
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: Kanye okay uh and you know, like we were we

1765
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 1: were at the We were there and they were like,

1766
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of things. They were like, we put

1767
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: a carpet over the Presidential seal because nobody steps on

1768
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: the seal, you know what I mean at all? Okay,

1769
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, this blows my mind, you know

1770
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 1: what I mean. There's all these things, you know whatever.

1771
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 1: And we were standing there and then you know, President

1772
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 1: Obamas did there standing on the seal and I was like, well,

1773
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 1: I guess, like you know what I mean, like there's

1774
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 1: a little yeah, so there's like levels of all of it,

1775
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And they were kind of

1776
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 1: like they were like when Potus is in the building,

1777
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: they were like, if your base brakes, if your techniques

1778
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 1: to run out, don't run out. They're like, that's not

1779
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: you are a target if that happens, you know, I

1780
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 1: mean like and it was like, oh, so there's like

1781
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: these points of access that are beyond all of it,

1782
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Okay, Well, that's President United States.

1783
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 1: Especially now in the era of internet cacophony, we have Trump.

1784
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: Everybody knows and everybody else is trying to get in.

1785
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 1: But if you wanted to reach Obama, could you okay,

1786
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,839
Speaker 1: anybody in the entertainment business your name opened the door anywhere?

1787
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: I mean, is there anywhere that you can't go or whatever?

1788
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,560
Speaker 1: Or you'd have to use your connections? Oh that I

1789
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 1: don't have to use my connections. Maybe there's people that

1790
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: like in my phone that I like, Yeah, I have

1791
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 1: Drake in my phone as a number as a name

1792
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,520
Speaker 1: to make sure that if I'm overserved at a restaurant

1793
01:28:55,840 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: that I don't accidentally or not accidentally text him and say, like, dude,

1794
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 1: you're the best fucking lyricist of all time, because I'm like,

1795
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that guy, you know what

1796
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 1: I mean? Okay, So who are you? The type of

1797
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 1: guy who hangs with famous people, the people that I

1798
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 1: think are famous, like that that are famous to me

1799
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 1: because I go, I'm telling you, I'm the guy that

1800
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 1: corrected all of my eighties toys and stuff like that.

1801
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: I want to meet, like Mr t and stuff. Like that,

1802
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, uh, I guess what

1803
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:27,639
Speaker 1: I'm asking is certainly when you move up the ranks. Okay,

1804
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 1: forget what the hoi POLOI thinks. Oh you know, these

1805
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 1: are famous people. These people it's like they say, why

1806
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: a rock stars very models because they have the same schedule.

1807
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 1: They get up at noon, go to bedefrood in the morning.

1808
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: They don't have regular commitments. So as you get closer

1809
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 1: and closer to the belly of the beast, you find

1810
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 1: other like minded people. So there are some people despite that,

1811
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 1: who are still singular, supposedly Fred Astaire, you know, droving

1812
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: the limo alone. Then there are other people, Laura's being

1813
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 1: an example. He knows everybody and hangs with everybody. I

1814
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 1: love hanging with everybody. I love meeting. I do believe

1815
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: in meeting your heroes or people that you think are cool.

1816
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 1: And if you don't like them, then that's cool. You

1817
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 1: just learned something about them that doesn't change the music

1818
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 1: or the movie to me. Uh. But I think that

1819
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 1: there are levels of access that are beyond you know

1820
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, I think that like, um, you

1821
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:19,640
Speaker 1: can hang with these like so like you know, like

1822
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 1: you go to parties that there's like tech guys that

1823
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: like the billionaire tech guys or whatever, Like they're not

1824
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:29,799
Speaker 1: giving me access to invest when they invest in companies.

1825
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 1: They're not calling me up and being like, listen, we

1826
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 1: got this group together, were the a group and like

1827
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: this is what we get. Like I don't get that

1828
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: called like I don't have that access, and I don't

1829
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 1: know what that if that access comes with money, or

1830
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 1: if that access comes with success within tech or whatever

1831
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, I I definitely can call any

1832
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 1: of those guys and probably go to like Katsuya with them,

1833
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 1: but it's like a different level of access to me,

1834
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I don't when I

1835
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 1: go and pitch something, I don't even really want to

1836
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 1: pitch something to somebody who can't green I did in

1837
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 1: the room, like if you if the guy can't make

1838
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 1: the decision, I don't want to talk to right. It's

1839
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,759
Speaker 1: not it's just not really were like this town is

1840
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: a town where everybody takes meetings about everything and nothing

1841
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 1: ever happens. Makes me crazy. Okay, So what do you

1842
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 1: think about the music today? The like, what do I

1843
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 1: think about how it sounds? Or No, we're in an era.

1844
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 1: I mean this brings this goes into the other element

1845
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 1: that I referenced earlier. One if you go to streaming

1846
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:32,719
Speaker 1: Spotify top fifty, generally speaking all hip hop, a little

1847
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 1: pop okay, And even though there are outlets for other sounds,

1848
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 1: they have a fraction of the mind share, and we

1849
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 1: can also say a fraction of the plays. But it

1850
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 1: gets so complicated that break there. Then in addition, many people,

1851
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 1: uh you reference this a little bit earlier, they're really

1852
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 1: interested in becoming a brand. The music is just a

1853
01:31:55,720 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 1: vehicle to sell ship, become famous, etcetera, so irrelevant of

1854
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 1: the music itself. What do you think about that? I mean,

1855
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 1: I think that it's all of these things have always existed,

1856
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 1: whether it's people who put billboards up of themselves or

1857
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 1: their movies or whatever. It's just now we have like

1858
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 1: more of a window into these people actually doing it

1859
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 1: in real time. And we've seen people who found success

1860
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: doing that, you know, or doing quote unquote nothing, you

1861
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we've seen it, so you

1862
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 1: know that it's attainable. So I think people think that

1863
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 1: they can they can do it as well. I mean,

1864
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:32,640
Speaker 1: it does feel like at some point some of that

1865
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 1: bubble will burst and people will be known for some

1866
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 1: of their talents. Um more so, and I think that

1867
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 1: the people listen. I think that, like whatever it is,

1868
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 1: whatever reality show it is, and I like all this stuff.

1869
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 1: I watch all this stuff. But whatever reality show it is,

1870
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 1: or whatever tech game it is, or whatever thing it is,

1871
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 1: like no one when you get your heartbroken, you don't

1872
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 1: go and go like, well, thank god I opened that

1873
01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:59,600
Speaker 1: app because I always you know, like that helped me.

1874
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 1: Or like you have the best day of your life,

1875
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 1: You're still watching films and listening to songs, and you

1876
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like those are the things that

1877
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 1: I think that, like you set your life by, like

1878
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 1: these big moments in your life by um, I think

1879
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 1: that there's room for all of it. I do think

1880
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: we live in the hip hop world. I mean, I

1881
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 1: think you're crazy if you don't think that. Um. I

1882
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 1: go to my kids school and every kid is trying

1883
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 1: to be Kanye Fresh, you know what I mean, And

1884
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 1: I see see that happening in real time. I think

1885
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 1: that there's the pie is super super super big, So

1886
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 1: there's room for really all of it, you know. I mean,

1887
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 1: like I think that, but it's very hard to get noticed. Yes,

1888
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 1: so getting noticed now. This is the thing that I

1889
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 1: think with getting noticed now is that you have to

1890
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 1: be unashamed. I had these kids come up to me

1891
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 1: in a parking lot, uh the other day in Van

1892
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 1: Nuys at the Van Nuys Laser tag and they come

1893
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Speaker 1: up to me in the parking lot and they were like,

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Speaker 1: listen to this thing. I listened to it. I liked it,

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Speaker 1: and we ended up having to talk. And I think

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Speaker 1: you have to be you have to be cool with

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Speaker 1: doing that, you know what I mean, Like you have

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Speaker 1: to go out to people and like get them to

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Speaker 1: notice you. Um. But I also think that it's super

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Speaker 1: super important to be true to who you are. Like

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Speaker 1: chasing just doesn't work. Okay, let's assume they give the

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Speaker 1: tape to you, the CD that whatever, the file, and

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Speaker 1: you think it's good. You and me both know there's

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Speaker 1: an occasional thing you here we go. This is stratospheric.

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Speaker 1: I heard it once. This is gonna go. It's just

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Speaker 1: about assembling the team. But I listened to like x

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Speaker 1: MU on the satellite or I'll go through playlist on Spotify,

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Speaker 1: and I say, well, that's pretty good. But unless someone

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Speaker 1: puts some gasoline on it. Chances I could be the

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Speaker 1: only person who heard it. So let's just assume you

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Speaker 1: have a team together, okay, and you're uh, forget hip hop,

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Speaker 1: it's a world done to itself, another kind of music.

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Speaker 1: How do you set about getting yourself noticed by a

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Speaker 1: label or by the world at world at law. I

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Speaker 1: think you have to you have to do. You have

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Speaker 1: to be making great music. You have to make great songs.

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Speaker 1: And I think that still great songs can stand on

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Speaker 1: their own. Like you look, and if you don't have

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Speaker 1: great songs, then I don't know, it's a different story.

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Speaker 1: But like if you look at a band like Fun,

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Speaker 1: uh or you you know, like there's these bands that

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Speaker 1: come along and you're like, it's great, you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's for whatever reason, like it's great. It feels

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Speaker 1: like a different era, but it feels kind of like

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Speaker 1: this era at the same time. Um, and I don't

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Speaker 1: and I don't. If you don't have greatness, then there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be And and besides the greatness, there's so much

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Speaker 1: of Like is that you have to be ready to

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Speaker 1: swing the bat when you step up to the plate,

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Speaker 1: Like when you get a chance to step out to

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Speaker 1: the plate, there's deliver. Yeah, there's so many people that

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Speaker 1: like they're waiting for their chance, waiting for the chance.

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Speaker 1: They get their chance, and they don't do it, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you can don't do it

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Speaker 1: because they funk up, or they're scared, or they they

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Speaker 1: second guess themselves and or they're so nervous about like

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Speaker 1: their friends are like that's selling out, and so they

1938
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: do the wrong you know. Like there's so many versions

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Speaker 1: of it, you know that, And I feel like I've

1940
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 1: seen so many versions of it. Um. The truth is

1941
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Speaker 1: it's super hard, Like it's more democratic than ever because

1942
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Speaker 1: everybody can make music and there's so much out there.

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Speaker 1: It's so hard, Like how does music last anymore? How

1944
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Speaker 1: did things stay? You know what I mean? How did things?

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Speaker 1: They have to be either really great or really terrible

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Speaker 1: to say, and even if they're really terrible, they kind

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Speaker 1: of go away, you know what I mean. To stay,

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Speaker 1: it has to be so great and it has to

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Speaker 1: the Other thing is even the most the biggest people

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Speaker 1: on the chart, fewer people know them than ever before. Yes,

1951
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Speaker 1: it's harder to get mind here at large and say

1952
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Speaker 1: unless you're literally president something else which is well publicized.

1953
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you about it. Supposedly you're bipolar. Is

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Speaker 1: that true. Yeah, I was. Yeah, I was diagnosed years ago. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's something that like for a long time, I

1956
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Speaker 1: tried to self medicate, um, and that didn't really work

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Speaker 1: out that well, you know what I mean. Like I

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Speaker 1: think I went into the I think that I went

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Speaker 1: into the idea that like I didn't need talk therapy

1960
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Speaker 1: and I could just figure it out on my own.

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Speaker 1: I could use either alcohol or pills and I could

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Speaker 1: kind of figure it out, you know, when I was

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Speaker 1: on tour and I didn't want to like suppress the

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Speaker 1: creativity and that kind of thing. Um. But I think

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Speaker 1: since having kids, I kind of wanted to be I

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Speaker 1: want what I wanted to be present, and I wanted to, um,

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Speaker 1: be able to like kid around and not be kind

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Speaker 1: of ruled by my moods and you know, and and

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Speaker 1: and at the same time also be like it's okay

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Speaker 1: for you to like feel not great, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: like it's okay, any of this stuff is okay. It's

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Speaker 1: all um. And so I mean since then, I've found

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Speaker 1: ways to have like you know, like to to do

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Speaker 1: therapy and to talk and to know that like, just

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Speaker 1: because you're feeling better, it's not gonna like stifle your

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Speaker 1: creativity that kind of thing. What is the number one

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Speaker 1: thing or two things you learned in therapy? The therapy

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Speaker 1: never ends really that you're tell my girlfriends, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: you're never cured, you know, like you just it's not

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Um? And I think that

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Speaker 1: the other thing that I learned, um, but it's harder

1982
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Speaker 1: to apply, is that you've got to be kind to yourself.

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Speaker 1: It's it's hard to be I think that. Give me

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Speaker 1: an example, being mean to yourself, being too hard on yourself,

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Speaker 1: whether you're doing like little like whether it's like little

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Speaker 1: things as far as like when you're playing a sport

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Speaker 1: or something and you're like I suck and like I

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Speaker 1: won't be good, or like my you know, my band's

1989
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Speaker 1: not signed or whatever it is, you know, like all

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Speaker 1: the you know, like I think that people are not

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Speaker 1: particularly kind to themselves because we live in a world

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Speaker 1: where you we live in a really fake world, you

1993
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like where people think that everybody

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Speaker 1: else's life is awesome and you feel super fomo about

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Speaker 1: everything and it's not real, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like it's like it's not real, I promise, Like all

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Speaker 1: these people, everybody in my phone and every anybody, like

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Speaker 1: all these people have like bad days and I do

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Speaker 1: really respect that. Like people like kid Cutty and and

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Speaker 1: Kanye and whoever, like jay Z like have spoken you know,

2001
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 1: like it's aside from the really young rappers have like

2002
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,800
Speaker 1: spoken out and talked about like the the idea that

2003
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,600
Speaker 1: like everybody kind of has, like this mental health is

2004
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Speaker 1: something that everybody deals with because I think that's it's

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Speaker 1: really important and we can still live like these aspirational lives.

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01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 1: But like there's no like if you're not whole before

2007
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Speaker 1: you go into it, it's not gonna fill the whole,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's not gonna there's

2009
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Speaker 1: not like a whole theory about that that a lot

2010
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Speaker 1: of you know, going back to the pre social media era,

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Speaker 1: you have a lot of guys who were not who

2012
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Speaker 1: are socially awkward, and they felt if they wrote hit songs,

2013
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Speaker 1: their lives would work. And when they found out it

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Speaker 1: didn't make their lives work, they could write anymore. It's

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Speaker 1: for sure, I mean, and for sure it doesn't make

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Speaker 1: you It doesn't like you're it's like there's a you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm like a I'm like a total movie geek, you

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Speaker 1: know whatever, more than anything. And uh, you know, like

2019
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Speaker 1: there's a moment in Empire strikes Back where like looks

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Speaker 1: like going in this like cave of darkness or whatever,

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Speaker 1: and he's like, don't my lightsaber and you know, just

2022
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 1: like you only bring what you you take in with you,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you don't need it basically, and

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Speaker 1: he brings it in anyway and then fights a version

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Speaker 1: of himself spoiler whatever. But it's true in life, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it's like there's none of

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Speaker 1: these like when you come out the other side, like

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Speaker 1: you'll have different experiences. But I don't think you like

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Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't feel the whole Like you gotta

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Speaker 1: figure that out on your own, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And do you take medication now? I don't take medication now,

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Speaker 1: but I do a lot of therapy. Okay, someone who

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Speaker 1: does a lot of therapy themselves. How much therapy is that? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Probably twice a week? Okay? How long with the same person?

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Speaker 1: Five years? No? Four years now? Maybe? And does your

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Speaker 1: wife go to she does not? No, no, no, she

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Speaker 1: she is probably the of the more level people that

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Speaker 1: I don't know whatever. People are on their own, but

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Speaker 1: there was sometimes you're interacting in a relationship and you've

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Speaker 1: gained these insights and therapy. Are you ever frustrated that

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Speaker 1: your wife doesn't have the same insights? Um? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think in arguments you get frustrated about everything. But

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Speaker 1: I think that there's like a danger in like being

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Speaker 1: like I've I've read this, or I learned that you

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Speaker 1: can't say that we know, but I'm interacting forget significant others,

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Speaker 1: and you see people acting that a certain way and go,

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Speaker 1: holy sh it. If they had a little therapy, they'd

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Speaker 1: never act that way and it would work out better

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Speaker 1: for them. I think I see stuff where people are

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Speaker 1: freaking out about the wrong thing all the time, Like, um,

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01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 1: like you'll be people will be like like mad, they're

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Speaker 1: broke because they spend all their money on the shoes,

2053
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Speaker 1: but like they want the people to think they live

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Speaker 1: in the bowler house, but they're spending the money on

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Speaker 1: the shoes, so they're never gonna get to the bowler house.

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Speaker 1: And like I'm always like, I mean that's just like

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Speaker 1: one specific thing. It like sometimes it feels like if

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Speaker 1: you work through things in therapy, you can see like

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Speaker 1: the bigger picture for yourself, you know what I mean, Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I mean it can be otherwise it's like super

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Speaker 1: frustrating and it feels like you're going through life and

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Speaker 1: you don't like you don't see like it's you're in

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Speaker 1: the matrix, you know, and there's other people who are

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Speaker 1: like seeing all the numbers and you're just not seeing it.

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Speaker 1: And I've definitely felt like I've been on both sides

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Speaker 1: of that. Okay, Pete, this is being fantastic, has been fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for sitting here telling me all. Your

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Speaker 1: story's being so opens. Okay, until next time. This is

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