WEBVTT - The Old Economy Is Dead

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<v Speaker 1>Calzon Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to it. Could that be here?

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<v Speaker 3>A podcast where the the the ancient leftist adage there

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<v Speaker 3>was power logistics has finally been realized by one Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>I am your host, Mia Wong, and with me is Gear.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you doing, Gear?

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<v Speaker 4>Just another great day in America.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great, it's great. There were arresting judges. It's it's

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<v Speaker 3>a good time. It's great.

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<v Speaker 4>Something that Mia has probably called for before, but under

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<v Speaker 4>different circumstances.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, look, have I ever publicly called for the arrest

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<v Speaker 5>of the judge.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure I have.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe probably not, because like arresting power itself is a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit problem hashtag problematic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean this is this is this is this is.

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<v Speaker 5>A carcial solution to this. This is Garrison, Like we

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<v Speaker 5>kind of for using carcialism to solve the problems of

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<v Speaker 5>the cucural system. Sure, speaking of carcural systems, there is

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<v Speaker 5>the economy that we're all living under, which is also

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<v Speaker 5>quite literally a cucural system, because so much of it

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<v Speaker 5>is based on prisident and slave labor of various kinds

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<v Speaker 5>across the world. Now, I have good news and I

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<v Speaker 5>have bad news about this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember what the good news was.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're only getting the bad news, which is that

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<v Speaker 3>well the good news and the bad news is that

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<v Speaker 3>this the system that we all.

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<v Speaker 2>Grew up on.

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<v Speaker 3>That the economic system that has, you know, supported us

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<v Speaker 3>our entire lives or not supported us for our entire lives.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing, you know, the system that encompasses everything we

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<v Speaker 3>have ever known, is fucking dead.

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<v Speaker 2>It is dead as shit.

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<v Speaker 3>The economic system that existed literally at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>last year does not exist anymore. It is it right

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<v Speaker 3>now in the process of dying, and the thing that

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<v Speaker 3>is emerging has not emerged yet, which means we get

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<v Speaker 3>to go to the Gramsey quote where he says, this

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<v Speaker 3>is the time of monsters.

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<v Speaker 4>The Chinese century. My favorite see whatever Gramski, how do

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<v Speaker 4>we say this guy's name Gramski, Gramm gram Sheet see

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<v Speaker 4>you fucked up too? Yeah, my favorite gram Sheet quote?

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<v Speaker 4>Or entering the Chinese Century?

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<v Speaker 2>Look I okay, So, like here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I I, on a fundamental level think that GRAMPSI is

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<v Speaker 3>like the harbinger of the entire retreat of the twentieth

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<v Speaker 3>century left. So I hate him and therefar if you

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<v Speaker 3>say his name properly. Also, we're going to get into

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit about white. The Chinese century is going

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<v Speaker 3>to also be a complete shitcho for them too, But

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>The Canadian century, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally, the Yugoslavian century.

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<v Speaker 4>With God Emperor Mark Carney in charge, he will usher

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<v Speaker 4>in a new era of Canadian progress and global supremacy.

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<v Speaker 4>As climate change worsens, the Canadian economy will suck up

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<v Speaker 4>all of the independency and resources from the US in

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<v Speaker 4>the late twentieth century. And finally we will have a

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<v Speaker 4>Tim Hortons in every country in the planet.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so excited for us to finally get our first

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<v Speaker 3>war between two countries with Tim Hortons in it.

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<v Speaker 4>That will be exciting.

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<v Speaker 3>So here is a story that we have told on

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<v Speaker 3>the show many many, many, many many many times, and

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<v Speaker 3>it is the story of the structure of the modern

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<v Speaker 3>world economy. The birth of the liberalism, the ascendancy of

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<v Speaker 3>free trade, the decline of the US as the world's

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<v Speaker 3>grand manufacturing power, the collapse of the clower of the

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<v Speaker 3>global working class, and the generalized ascension of capitalism, and

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<v Speaker 3>this specific force of capitalism as the structuring force of

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<v Speaker 3>the world system. It is a story of how structural

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<v Speaker 3>forces and contingent choices, technological changes in class weres, domestic

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<v Speaker 3>politics and grand international maneuvers, and international relations built a

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<v Speaker 3>political and economic structure that ruled the world for half

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<v Speaker 3>a century of American hegemony. And we are going to

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<v Speaker 3>tell a very very abbreviated version of that story for

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<v Speaker 3>one final time because that world.

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<v Speaker 4>The world, say final, because you'll probably do this again

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<v Speaker 4>in two years. But okay, the.

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<v Speaker 3>World that we were all born into, that world is

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<v Speaker 3>fucking dead and Donald Trump has killed it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is how it died. Garrison. Yes, in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>there was war.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, in the ashes of a continents read by the

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<v Speaker 3>flames of fascism, two army's stood triumphant over a new world.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them, unfortunately, was the United States. The second one, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>was the USSR. Now it's also worth mentioning that very briefly,

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<v Speaker 3>both the French and the British assumed they would also

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<v Speaker 3>be like superpowers and no jokes, washed failed failed powers,

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<v Speaker 3>zero out of ten absolute dipshits destroyed.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, oddly enough, Japan walked away with more power than

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<v Speaker 4>either of those countries. Yes, yeah, a little bit, a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit odd considering the conditions that led to this happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I mean, but the actual shift here though,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is and this is you know, this actually

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<v Speaker 3>is a lot of what this episode is about is

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<v Speaker 3>that the thing that World War One or World War

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<v Speaker 3>two did was was more I would also do this,

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<v Speaker 3>but was fundamentally break the power of the old world empires. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>because the world had been ruled for several hundred years

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<v Speaker 3>by various combinations of the French, the British, and the Germans.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know this is some extent like Spain, but

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<v Speaker 3>Spain was sort of gone, right, But like those old

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<v Speaker 3>World empires had been what had structured everything in the world,

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<v Speaker 3>and at the end of World War Two that suddenly

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't the case anymore. And the product of this was

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<v Speaker 3>that if if you look at the places in the

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<v Speaker 3>world that had the largest remaining industrial reserves, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there was obviously some industrial production in Latin America,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly Argentina. There was some like Chinese manufacturing belts that

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<v Speaker 3>were run by Japan in China that weren't destroyed. And

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<v Speaker 3>then there was the entire manufacturing power of the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>And this meant that alone among countries, right, the US

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<v Speaker 3>was in the most dominant position, like one of the

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<v Speaker 3>most positions of great power has ever been and even

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<v Speaker 3>though there technically was a second great power, right, they

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<v Speaker 3>had an unbelievable percentage of the world's total manufacturing power,

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<v Speaker 3>We had an unhinged percentage of the world's total gold reserves.

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<v Speaker 3>We had I mean, I guess, like the second largest

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<v Speaker 3>army in the world. But you know, like we were

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<v Speaker 3>significant the more technologically advanced than the USSR. And this

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<v Speaker 3>had a bunch of extremely weird consequences because there was

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<v Speaker 3>really no way for the amount of like concentrated industrial

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<v Speaker 3>power the US had to go but down because we

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<v Speaker 3>controlled so much of the world's wealth and so much

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<v Speaker 3>of the world's manufacturing capacity that the only thing that

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<v Speaker 3>could ever possibly happen was that the rest of the

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<v Speaker 3>world would catch up. And this was a thing that

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<v Speaker 3>was actually necessary. And this is something that was that

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<v Speaker 3>was spurred on by the American industrial class, right, because

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<v Speaker 3>they suddenly had all of these like jeep factories you're

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<v Speaker 3>trying to make cars out of, and they needed people

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<v Speaker 3>to buy the cars. And the only way to do

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<v Speaker 3>that was to rebuild Europe and to rebuild Japan in

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<v Speaker 3>order to sort of rebuild these places as markets and

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<v Speaker 3>so for like a very brief time. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>the sort of like golden age that all of these

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<v Speaker 3>Trump people know these like weird dipshits like harkened back to.

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<v Speaker 3>Was this like part time of like unmatched American power,

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<v Speaker 3>but also it was it was a time in the

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<v Speaker 3>world economy where you could have multiple powers industrializing at

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<v Speaker 3>the same time without it being zero s and that

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<v Speaker 3>just was not going to last because at a certain point,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is accelerated by things we've talked about in

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<v Speaker 3>other episodes, like this attempt by a bunch of what

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<v Speaker 3>we're called the Non Aligned Movement or sort of the

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<v Speaker 3>G seventy seven, you know, also like the Third World Movement,

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of these countries that were non alliance, like Yugoslavia, India, Pakistan,

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<v Speaker 3>which you can immediately tell how this alliance is going

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<v Speaker 3>to shit because these two countries are allied, are like

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<v Speaker 3>in the same alliance, right, like you know, this is

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<v Speaker 3>the Chiito's Yugoslavia is in this with like Saudi Arabia,

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<v Speaker 3>these countries sort of like economic strategy was to create

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<v Speaker 3>something that actually is in a lot of ways kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like what Trump is trying to do, which is

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<v Speaker 3>like using their control of resources, although again the resource

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<v Speaker 3>of the US has now is like money basically took

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<v Speaker 3>all of the fucking world's resources, right, but using that

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<v Speaker 3>to develop your own local industrial basis so you can

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<v Speaker 3>have your own local manufacturing economy. And this is something

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<v Speaker 3>that like a lot of countries pursued this, like Venezuela

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<v Speaker 3>pursues this, like Bolivia pursues it is. This is something

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<v Speaker 3>that like everyone like kind of across the political spectrum

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<v Speaker 3>is trying to do in like the sitties and seventies

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<v Speaker 3>and through the eighties. But the thing is it's destroyed

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<v Speaker 3>by the second thing that's sort of a model for

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<v Speaker 3>what these people are trying to do, which is what

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<v Speaker 3>Reagan was able to do to the American economy in

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<v Speaker 3>the sort of nineteen eighties. And what Reagan is able

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<v Speaker 3>to do is Reagan actually does something that sounds really

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<v Speaker 3>bizarre now, but he was actually successfully able to temporarily

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<v Speaker 3>for about maybe like six years, six or seven years,

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<v Speaker 3>was able to actually like dramatically ramp up American like

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<v Speaker 3>like industrial production and like was able to do the

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<v Speaker 3>whole sort of like we're bringing the jobs back to

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<v Speaker 3>the US. But the thing is, the way he did

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<v Speaker 3>this was not the way the Trump administration is doing it.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>What he did was, on the one hand, he blew

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<v Speaker 3>a smoking crater in the entire world economy. And that

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<v Speaker 3>garrison will sound familiar to you because these people are

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<v Speaker 3>trying to.

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<v Speaker 2>Blow a hole in the American economy, right, like you

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<v Speaker 2>have seen this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I have seen the stonks and the trade and

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<v Speaker 4>the shipments, yes I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But but even like like Elon Musk would like deliver

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<v Speaker 3>like post about this, right, like very deliberately about how

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<v Speaker 3>he wants to destroy the economy so that there could

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<v Speaker 3>be like a oh yeah, brief economic hardship and that

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<v Speaker 3>a golden age.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, necessary hardship will have to endure for a short

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<v Speaker 4>period of time to then reach the like utopia which

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<v Speaker 4>is surely around the corner.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it's interesting because when when when serious people

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<v Speaker 3>have to defend this like Fox Okay, I say serious people,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm taking this and I'm saying Fox News because like serious.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, look here's a serious clouds.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't have to defend this, right, Like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>you know we're not dealing with like you know, we're

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<v Speaker 3>not dealing with like intellectual titans here. But like when

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<v Speaker 3>someone who is mildly more intelligent than Elon Musk has

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<v Speaker 3>to defend this, it is Reagan, they point you, because

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<v Speaker 3>Reagan and Carter was also had a hand in this.

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<v Speaker 3>But Reagan does this thing called the Folker shock, right,

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<v Speaker 3>like working working hand in hand with.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Volker's the head of the Federal.

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<v Speaker 3>Reserve, which notably, Trump just spent a bunch of time

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<v Speaker 3>threatening to fire the head of the Federal Reserve and

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<v Speaker 3>then had to back off on that because all of

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<v Speaker 3>the markets were like, this is our fucking rubicon, Like

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<v Speaker 3>we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Give a fuck about any of the other thing. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I we kind of give a fuck up the other

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<v Speaker 2>things he'd be doing.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, if you fire the head of the Federal Reserve,

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<v Speaker 3>like we're going ape shit. But like, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>Fed and Reagan work together in order to do this thing,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the jack interest rates to just like unhinged levels,

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<v Speaker 3>causing everyone else's debt in the world to become like

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<v Speaker 3>unbelievably unsustainable to repay this like annihilates boast of the

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<v Speaker 3>world's economies. This also creates like a double dip recession,

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<v Speaker 3>where the US has like almost twenty percent unemployment.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's able to.

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<v Speaker 3>Write this out specifically because like, this thing actually benefits

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of sections of the American capitalis class. Like

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<v Speaker 3>if you are someone who holds debt, right, this is

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<v Speaker 3>fucking great for you. And this is something very different

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<v Speaker 3>from what's happening right now because nobody is winning the

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<v Speaker 3>trade war, Like everyone is just having the very worst

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<v Speaker 3>time I've ever had.

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<v Speaker 4>It does seem like a globe of losers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But the thing that Reagan does that actually allowed

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<v Speaker 3>him to temporarily restore the profitability of a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>American manufacturing. And there is still a lot of American manufacturing.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll get to that in a bit. But the thing

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<v Speaker 3>he was able to do was the thing that Garrison

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<v Speaker 3>I was threatening at the beginning of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time I am done doing this, pot like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not this podcast block. By the time I.

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<v Speaker 3>Finish doing it, could happen here when I like die

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<v Speaker 3>on the battlefield in fifteen years, everyone will be able

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<v Speaker 3>to fucking explain the Plaza Chords and the reverse Plaza

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<v Speaker 3>Chords because they're they're the central thing that got us

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<v Speaker 3>to this alt of this fucking place, which is that

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<v Speaker 3>Ronald Reagan goes to Japan and goes to like West Germany,

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<v Speaker 3>and the subtext of what he's saying is like you

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<v Speaker 3>are a Maria military protectorates and because you are American

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<v Speaker 3>build or Japan by the way, it's like the great

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<v Speaker 3>industrial power of the nineteen eighties right and through the nineties,

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<v Speaker 3>Like they are like the defining like they are the

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<v Speaker 3>thing that everyone thinks about China today. Like if you

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<v Speaker 3>want to find every argument people make about China from

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<v Speaker 3>the entire political spectrum, like all the way from like

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<v Speaker 3>people in the one hands going like this is they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to destroy American hegemony to people on the other

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<v Speaker 3>hand being like this is what socialism is, you can

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<v Speaker 3>find all of those same arguments people made about Japan

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<v Speaker 3>in like the eighties. But you know, what Reagan forces

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<v Speaker 3>these countries to do is to increase the value of

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<v Speaker 3>their currency relative to the dollar. Right, so the dollar

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<v Speaker 3>is suddenly worthless, and because the dollar is like worthless

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<v Speaker 3>relative to other international currencies, it makes US manufacturer more competitive.

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<v Speaker 3>And this like temporarily restores American techleological production, but then

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<v Speaker 3>they have to reverse them because that nukes the entire

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<v Speaker 3>Japanese economy, and the Japanese economy becomes an entire thing

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<v Speaker 3>of real estate speculation, which you know, I guess, I

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<v Speaker 3>know you may be too young to remember what happened

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<v Speaker 3>the last time that we base the entire.

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<v Speaker 6>Economy of ailsa speculation.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not true.

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<v Speaker 4>I say, you're like a few days older than me.

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<v Speaker 4>Come on, that's unbelievably not sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I am over half a decade older than you. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that real?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, real, Yeah, we'll talk about this afterwards. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that's true. Let me pull up my

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<v Speaker 4>mea Wong docs file to check once, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, while Garrison checks to be a Wong Docks file.

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<v Speaker 3>The economy that is built up from all of us, though, right,

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<v Speaker 3>is an economy based on a few different things. One,

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<v Speaker 3>it's based on an entire network of global supply chains

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<v Speaker 3>with you know, like very very minimal tariff barriers between them.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>It is based on the sort of doctrine of free trade,

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<v Speaker 3>which is, you know, not really free, but obviously like

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<v Speaker 3>the ways that these were written structurally benefited the US, right,

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<v Speaker 3>where like the US is allowed to do all of

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<v Speaker 3>this shit for like its corn production that nowhere the

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<v Speaker 3>country is allowed to do. Like all of the market

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<v Speaker 3>tampering that all these people scream about is just what

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<v Speaker 3>the U S does with corn. But you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>entire canoxysm was based on being able to cheaply produce

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<v Speaker 3>different components of goods in different countries, assemble them, and

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<v Speaker 3>then move them across the world cheaply in order to

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<v Speaker 3>sort of avoid the localized power of workers movements. It

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<v Speaker 3>is based on the US running a series of bubble economies,

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<v Speaker 3>so the tech bubble, the housing bubbles, heata, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>And it is based on the US dollar and the

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<v Speaker 3>bond as like the fundamental aspects of the like as

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<v Speaker 3>the world reserve currency, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fundamental thing that drives the system.

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<v Speaker 3>And when we come back, we will talk about this

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<v Speaker 3>literally all exploding and what it's going to do for

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<v Speaker 3>all of.

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<v Speaker 2>You, which is not good.

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<v Speaker 6>Yay, okay, we are back now.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things that have in a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>ways locked the system in place was that because of

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<v Speaker 3>the that these manufacturing like networks are set up right,

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<v Speaker 3>because they're all so interlinked, because they're all dependent on

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<v Speaker 3>like exploiting differences between production capacity and like labor costs

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<v Speaker 3>in different countries. They are all so interconnected that if

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<v Speaker 3>you try to pull one thread out of it and

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<v Speaker 3>do a major change to the system, the entire thing

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<v Speaker 3>is at risk immediately. And this meant that there has

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<v Speaker 3>always been an enormous structural incentive to keep things the

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<v Speaker 3>way they were, even if everyone can also already like

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<v Speaker 3>realize that they're kind of fucked up. And this stays

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<v Speaker 3>all the way back to like things that most people

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<v Speaker 3>largely have forgotten about. But like Obama, for example, ran

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<v Speaker 3>on renegotiating NAFTA, and he never like intended to do that,

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<v Speaker 3>but like even if he had the moment he got

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<v Speaker 3>into power, you know, like Trump renegotiates NAFTA too, right,

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<v Speaker 3>but he renegotiates NAFTA and it's just like the same

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<v Speaker 3>trade deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Because for a long.

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<v Speaker 3>Time, right, if if you were going to run the

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<v Speaker 3>capitalist economy in a functional way, the only thing you

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<v Speaker 3>could possibly do was run it the way he had

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<v Speaker 3>already been set up, because there were so many structural

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<v Speaker 3>factors about how this is no production works, that this

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<v Speaker 3>is only that this is the only way you could

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<v Speaker 3>run it and still like have the economy not explode.

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<v Speaker 3>But now we have finally produced a group of men

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<v Speaker 3>so stupid that they are unconstrained by the structural limits

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<v Speaker 3>of the economy. And this is where we get into

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<v Speaker 3>the ground of turf terracemberon right now, and we get

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<v Speaker 3>into something that is very important to understand about this,

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<v Speaker 3>which is that this shit is not about economics, right

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<v Speaker 3>in the sense that you or I were understand them.

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<v Speaker 3>This is none of this stuff is about like we

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<v Speaker 3>want the economy to grow. It's this is not something

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<v Speaker 3>that like really any of the major sectors of capital

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<v Speaker 3>want because it is just nucing this whole thing. And

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<v Speaker 3>this is why you've seen a split between even Elon

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<v Speaker 3>Musk has like openly criticized the trade policy, even if

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<v Speaker 3>he's been sort of hedging it. What we've been seeing

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<v Speaker 3>is this widening rift. And we talked about this in

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<v Speaker 3>the last Executive Disorder, where like different factions of the

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<v Speaker 3>Trump administration we're literally trying to like isolate Trump from

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<v Speaker 3>like Navarro, who's the guy who wants to do all

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<v Speaker 3>of the all of the tariff bullshit they've been you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like literally try to get them alone in a room

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<v Speaker 3>so that they can they can implement their trade policy.

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<v Speaker 3>But the actual underlying urge here is completely ideological, right

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<v Speaker 3>it is. It is this idea that like if you

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<v Speaker 3>run a trade deficit with a country, or if you're

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<v Speaker 3>if you are buying things from a country, they are

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<v Speaker 3>ripping you off and you always need to be selling

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<v Speaker 3>more things than you're buying, which is just like so

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<v Speaker 3>okay on one level, like this is just so fucking

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<v Speaker 3>nonsense that like attempting to explain why his bullshit is

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<v Speaker 3>kind of pointless, But we're gonna do it anyways, because

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<v Speaker 3>someone fucking has to somewhere, And this actually does also

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<v Speaker 3>reveal something about the way that money has always worked

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<v Speaker 3>under these systems. Okay, So before we get to like

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<v Speaker 3>what this is going to do to the entire world economy,

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<v Speaker 3>we need to talk about garrison. Do you know what

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<v Speaker 3>balance of payments is?

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<v Speaker 4>That sounds like something and to ask my accountant about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so this is a technically an accounting thing, right,

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<v Speaker 3>but the balance of payments of a country it is

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<v Speaker 3>like a leisure thing, right, But it's the measure of

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<v Speaker 3>like their accounts, right, in terms of all of the

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<v Speaker 3>money coming out of the country and all of the

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<v Speaker 3>money coming into the country.

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<v Speaker 2>That's you know, that's like trade balance stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and the balance of payments is actually very important

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<v Speaker 3>for a lot of countries because specifically most countries in

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<v Speaker 3>the world need to buy things in a currency they

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<v Speaker 3>can't print. This has always been the structural limit of

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<v Speaker 3>things like modern monetary theory, which talks about how like

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<v Speaker 3>your country's ability to like have things isn't constrained by

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<v Speaker 3>just like the pure money supply of your country as

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<v Speaker 3>long as you're buying things in your own currency, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>the purpose of money is the thing that move assets around.

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<v Speaker 3>But inflation isn't a product. I mean, like, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>if you just like hammer the fucking printer button, right, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you can cause hyper inflation, but substantively because money is

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<v Speaker 3>something that is a production of the government, because it

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<v Speaker 3>is literally government debt.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a commodity in the conventional sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Where you have to like figure out how much of

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<v Speaker 3>that there is and there's like a limited supply of it,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have to like manage limited supply and make

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<v Speaker 3>sure the economy doesn't explode. You can just use the

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<v Speaker 3>money that you have, and you can use debt like

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<v Speaker 3>deficit spending effectively to continue to circulate goods around.

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<v Speaker 2>The economy.

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<v Speaker 3>The problem is if you have to buy something that

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<v Speaker 3>is not in your currency, that's where you need trade

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<v Speaker 3>because you need to find a way so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna taken example that we're gonna come back you later,

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<v Speaker 3>which is Bolivia.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. If you are.

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<v Speaker 3>Bolivia, you need to get American dollars. You can buy

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<v Speaker 3>like gas, right, so people can like fucking fuel their cars.

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<v Speaker 3>And the problem is you can only buy oil in

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<v Speaker 3>American dollars, so you have to find something to export

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<v Speaker 3>to a place where you can get American dollars for it.

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<v Speaker 3>And in this sense, balance of payments actually matters enormously, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And balance of payments is also just like a function

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<v Speaker 3>of all of your trade deficits and all of your

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<v Speaker 3>trade surpluses sort of combined.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>But think about the US, this is a notable thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone uses the dollar to buy shit. There's like nothing

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<v Speaker 3>that you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't buy with the dollar.

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<v Speaker 3>So for the United States, none of this shit matters

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<v Speaker 3>at all, none of the mottle flame of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It is completely.

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<v Speaker 3>Irrelevant, like literally, completely totally and utterly irrelevant. Right now,

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<v Speaker 3>if you are like Bolivia and you run out of dollars,

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<v Speaker 3>then what you have as a spirally economic crisis where

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<v Speaker 3>like peoples looking suddenly can't buy food because no one

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<v Speaker 3>can buy oil, so no one can move things around,

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<v Speaker 3>So like the entire equality literal collapses. This is a

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<v Speaker 3>very very very common mode of economic collapse. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>none of the things that the right is talking about,

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<v Speaker 3>like in terms of like, oh you have like the

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<v Speaker 3>United States has like a trade deficit with China's like yeah, great,

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<v Speaker 3>that means that we're buying.

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<v Speaker 2>Things from them.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the one good Rand Paul quote ever was like, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I have a trade deficit with my grocery store, like

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<v Speaker 3>and that's fine.

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<v Speaker 4>Mia goes full Rand Paul on the podcast today.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah I know.

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<v Speaker 3>But the thing is, the thing is it is very

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<v Speaker 3>very funny that Rand Paul is now complaining about this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, well, yeah, I don't know if all of

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<v Speaker 3>you motherfuckers hadn't spent all this time like fucking polling

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<v Speaker 3>around with like Alex Jones and the Klan, like we

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<v Speaker 3>probably wouldn't be here right now.

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<v Speaker 4>The zero faults definitely, like the Tea Party does have

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<v Speaker 4>a sizeable chunk of the blame here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like like that's the thing, like this this is

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<v Speaker 3>your all of your fucking fault. Lock them up quick,

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<v Speaker 3>zero tot of ten zero a ten, Get him out,

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<v Speaker 3>Get him out, Get them out.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what else we need to get out?

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<v Speaker 2>Gett a stock. Oh it's these fucks and services.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, get them out of stock.

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<v Speaker 2>Get them out of stock while you still can.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we still have an economy.

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<v Speaker 2>We are back now again.

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<v Speaker 3>As I was saying, like this attempt to make the

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<v Speaker 3>American economy function in a way that it has trade

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<v Speaker 3>surpluses with every other country. And also, and this is

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<v Speaker 3>also important, these people don't think that like services are

0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:57.800
<v Speaker 3>real and a lot of what the US exports as services.

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<v Speaker 2>But because they're all these really weird like me.

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<v Speaker 3>Because they're all fascists, right, they all have this all

0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:07.720
<v Speaker 3>of this weird ideological shit about masculinity and about the

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<v Speaker 3>favoring of the concrete over the abstract, because the concrete

0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:13.560
<v Speaker 3>is like masculated. It is like it is the nation,

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<v Speaker 3>right like this like steel workers and people who fucking

0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:19.879
<v Speaker 3>hammer coal out like this. This is what masculinity is.

0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:21.439
<v Speaker 3>This is what nationalism is. This is what men are

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you have the materialists on the evil side, and

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<v Speaker 4>you have the post materialists on Well no.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So so this is a long time ago.

0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:34.679
<v Speaker 3>I did a bunch of episodes called The Class and

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.879
<v Speaker 3>the Culture War, and one of the points that I

0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:39.960
<v Speaker 3>make in that episode is that one of the arguments

0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:44.040
<v Speaker 3>that the Canadian Jewish Marxist historian Moish Pistone makes about

0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:48.600
<v Speaker 3>what the Holocaust was was this attempt to pit the

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<v Speaker 3>concrete part of capital against the abstract part of capital. Right,

0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:54.680
<v Speaker 3>where the concrete part of capital is like the nation

0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:58.440
<v Speaker 3>and the worker and the factory and like the boss, right,

0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:02.320
<v Speaker 3>and all of these like conk things were pitted against

0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:04.320
<v Speaker 3>the like the quote unquote abstract part of capital, which

0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 3>is to say, like quote unquote like Jewish financiers and

0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:10.960
<v Speaker 3>all of the sort of like weird collection of like

0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:14.200
<v Speaker 3>modifiers that gets associated with like you know, the rootless

0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.840
<v Speaker 3>positive politanism, like the globalism, like all of this shit, right,

0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:22.520
<v Speaker 3>And what the Nazis did was embody all of that

0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:26.119
<v Speaker 3>stuff into just the figure of the Jewish person and

0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:28.200
<v Speaker 3>his arguments. And this is arguing about like sort of

0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.680
<v Speaker 3>structural anti semitism, and what the Holocaust was was that

0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:33.840
<v Speaker 3>the like that was what the Nazi revolution was. That's

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<v Speaker 3>what the liquidation of like and this is how episode describes,

0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:38.400
<v Speaker 3>like liquidation of Jesus is what this is what the holocaust,

0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:40.639
<v Speaker 3>This is what the genocide was. Was their attempt to

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<v Speaker 3>destroy the like abstract part of part of this thing

0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:46.080
<v Speaker 3>by pitting it against the concrete part of this thing.

0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:48.439
<v Speaker 3>And this is what these fucking people are also are

0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:50.320
<v Speaker 3>also doing in their own way, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, they're just doing it with like the price

0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.440
<v Speaker 4>of eggs or like the availability of housing.

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:56.159
<v Speaker 3>Right, and you know, and it's also renting. Like these

0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:58.560
<v Speaker 3>people are like unhe and gentti Semitic, right because this

0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 3>is all part of the same ideology. They just sort

0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:02.960
<v Speaker 3>of like they're doing the shit in different ways and

0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:05.440
<v Speaker 3>they haven't like yeah, I don't know, like if these

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:07.880
<v Speaker 3>people are in power for like a decade, we might

0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 3>just get this right where they're literally doing the Holocaust again,

0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:13.520
<v Speaker 3>but like we're not at that point yet, but we're

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:15.959
<v Speaker 3>at the point is where like this this kind of

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:19.000
<v Speaker 3>like under like this kind of fascist understanding of the

0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:22.800
<v Speaker 3>nation and masculinity and like the concrete versus the abstract,

0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:26.200
<v Speaker 3>and like these figures can be like embodied in anti thinking.

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:28.720
<v Speaker 3>This is also what like what the like this is

0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:30.560
<v Speaker 3>what the administration is doing with immigrants, right, is like

0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:32.879
<v Speaker 3>passing them in that role of like the abstract like

0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:35.760
<v Speaker 3>the foreigner, the yeah, the national, the like the anti

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:36.560
<v Speaker 3>the anti national.

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<v Speaker 4>Those things are are what is causing our economic problems,

0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.479
<v Speaker 4>our housing problems. And then you have other instances like

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:45.240
<v Speaker 4>with like Mexico and Canada where they tie in the

0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:48.240
<v Speaker 4>trade war with this like ventanyl thing being like you know,

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 4>like immigrants are bringing fentanyl over the border and we're

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:54.919
<v Speaker 4>using tariffs as a negotiating tactic to stop ventanyls like

0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:58.719
<v Speaker 4>they're they're bringing in even more like aspects regarding like

0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 4>immigration and tying it directly to like our trade wars

0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:08.159
<v Speaker 4>with these with these you know, massive massive countries, some

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 4>of our most important trading partners.

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:14.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and this is causing an interesting split because Trump's

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:18.200
<v Speaker 3>like political coalition, right, has a bunch of kind of

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:21.160
<v Speaker 3>different kinds of fascists in a lot of ways. We're

0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 3>like Trump and Navarro and like, I mean, Trump is

0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:27.840
<v Speaker 3>instinctually pro tariff and like he can be talked out

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.480
<v Speaker 3>of it because again this guy's brain, like we saw

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:32.480
<v Speaker 3>this last administration, like the last person in the room

0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 3>with him can convince them but basically anything. But you know,

0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 3>those people are structurally committed to like this specific version

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 3>of masculinity. And there's a lot of portions of the

0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:41.760
<v Speaker 3>right that are and that are committed to like this

0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:44.639
<v Speaker 3>trade policy is like the America first American nationalist thing.

0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 3>But like someone like Elon Musk isn't that committed to this,

0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:52.240
<v Speaker 3>And like even a lot of the people who are

0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:54.960
<v Speaker 3>like the inner circle sort of like Jarvin, like tech

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 3>fascist right are like okay, but hold on, like we

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 3>make all of our shit in China, so like you know,

0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:02.960
<v Speaker 3>and this is why like Elon is coming against the

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:05.639
<v Speaker 3>terrorists because like, yeah, they're gonna fuck him, like because

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:07.760
<v Speaker 3>he has to import stuff and export stuff from China

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:09.880
<v Speaker 3>because that's where a bunch of his production facilities are, right,

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:12.240
<v Speaker 3>and you know, and if once you get out of

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:14.600
<v Speaker 3>the circle of of like that kind of like tech

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:16.960
<v Speaker 3>fascist right, and and the tech people are the people

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.480
<v Speaker 3>who are the most closely aligned with this administration, right,

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 3>like an internships are like all the sexus of the capital.

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:23.679
<v Speaker 3>Tech is the most closely aligned one. But you know,

0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 3>you can get out into like places like fucking Walgreens

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:28.760
<v Speaker 3>and Walmart, right, and these are also like like the

0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:32.320
<v Speaker 3>Waltons as a family are like traditional backers of the

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:34.159
<v Speaker 3>right for ages and ages and ages right, there've been

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:36.359
<v Speaker 3>backers of far right causes. They also don't want this

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:39.399
<v Speaker 3>because also their entire supply chains work through fucking China

0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 3>and work through moving a bunch of like commodities around,

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 3>and the further route you go when you when you

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:46.399
<v Speaker 3>start getting into like actual finance capital. These people are

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 3>fucking terrified because they're looking at this and like, holy shit,

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 3>we're about to lose all over goddamn money. And the

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:55.160
<v Speaker 3>consequence to face is that all of this stuff is

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:57.320
<v Speaker 3>shaping out in a sort of political battle in the

0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:01.119
<v Speaker 3>administration over who can get Trump in the room last

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 3>to try to figure out how how the economy is

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 3>going to work. But the problem is, and I have

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:10.359
<v Speaker 3>been vindicated in this, in the very brief amount of

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:12.639
<v Speaker 3>time between when the episode of Friday came out and

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:16.359
<v Speaker 3>when we're recording this, there are no negotiations with China. Like,

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 3>they haven't started. There's no process for starting them.

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 4>Trump does keep lying about starting negotiations, and yeah, he's

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 4>just lying about this, right, Chinese government says, no, we

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:26.240
<v Speaker 4>have not started negotiations.

0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:27.880
<v Speaker 2>It's like, no, there's no negotiations.

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there and and again, like the structurally there

0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:33.399
<v Speaker 3>can't be negotiations because there's no actual way for the

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 3>US to like not have a trade deficit with China,

0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:38.800
<v Speaker 3>Like there's no way you can do that. And that's

0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:41.239
<v Speaker 3>the thing that will satisfy these people. So all of

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 3>this means that the economy is fucking dead, right. This

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 3>is the sort of like free trade economy we've all

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 3>grown up in that functions off of like you know,

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:52.560
<v Speaker 3>like fucking drop shipping and all this cheap production of a

0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:55.919
<v Speaker 3>bunch of other countries and you know, like assemblies of

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of different like goods in different places, and

0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:00.639
<v Speaker 3>the US is like the economic center of world is

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:01.359
<v Speaker 3>just fucking gone.

0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:05.320
<v Speaker 3>One of the reasons I started writing this episode in

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 3>the first place is that I have read so much

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:14.159
<v Speaker 3>fucking analyzes of these goddamn turf tariffs, and do you

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:17.959
<v Speaker 3>know how many of them, for a single fucking second,

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 3>considered what this was going to be like for anyone

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 3>who doesn't live in the United States. What the fuck

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:29.399
<v Speaker 3>is wrong with people? Why does nobody fucking care about

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:31.359
<v Speaker 3>a single goddamn person who.

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Lives beside the United States.

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 3>I have read so many fucking analyzes of this fucking shit.

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 3>I have read these things from I have read these

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 3>things from the business papers. I have read these things

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 3>from fascists. I have read these things from the center left.

0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 3>I have read these things from leftists. Do you know

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 3>how many of these things have said anything about actual

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 3>fucking people who do not live.

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 2>In the goddamn United States. Fucking none of them.

0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 3>Every once in a while you'll get like, this will

0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 3>be bad for the economy of China, and this is

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.959
<v Speaker 3>this is a catastrophe because the people who are going

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 3>to be most affected by this when when the fucking

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:10.239
<v Speaker 3>turf terrifts some liberation they come back into effect over

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:12.960
<v Speaker 3>the summer are the working classes Sri Lanka.

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 2>This is going to be.

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 3>The fucking apocalypse for a bunch of people who have

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 3>been going through hell for years and years and years

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 3>and years. It's going to be places like fucking Bolivia,

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 3>who which is already facing a dollar crisis and is

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 3>struggling to import fuel.

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 2>It is going to be places like Bangladesh.

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 3>It is going to be places like Vietnam, which is,

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, structurally in a better position than a lot

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 3>of the rest of these countries, but like fucking won't

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 3>be in a structurally better like balance for a structurally better

0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 3>position when it has like ninety percent goddamn tariffs on it.

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 3>And yes, the US is going to be real fucking bad, right,

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Everything is going to cost a lot more money. All

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 3>of us are going to have a lotless jobs, The

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 3>people who are in jobs are going to make a

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:49.719
<v Speaker 3>lot less money. There is going to be a lot

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:51.479
<v Speaker 3>of people fucking homeless. There is going to be a

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 3>lot of people who can't get fucking food. It is

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 3>going to be a catastrophe. And also at the same time,

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 3>the US is going to look like fucking fully automated,

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 3>luxury gase based commonism compared to fucking Shri Lanka. This

0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:08.320
<v Speaker 3>kind of sort of wrote American nationalism that has consumed

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 3>the brains of basically this entire goddamn country on a

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 3>level so deep Americans don't even fucking think about it,

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 3>like is the reason why we fucking have all of

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 3>this bullshit in the first place. And this is why,

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 3>like in like four fucking months, literally no one in

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 3>the entire country social security actually going to show up

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 3>because nineteen year ol grow up doesn't understand sequel because

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 3>nobody in this fucking country gives a single shit about

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 3>anyone who lives outside of the country enough to try

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 3>to do a single goddamn word of analysis about how

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 3>this is going.

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:38.280
<v Speaker 2>To affect everyone.

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 3>Because the death of the global economy will be felt here,

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 3>it is going to be felt so much fucking worse

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 3>everywhere else on goddamn Earth. And I am like, I

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 3>am losing my fucking mind at the extent to which

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 3>everyone is just fucking refusing to engage with this complete.

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 2>This is gonna be.

0:30:56.680 --> 0:31:00.120
<v Speaker 3>Being unbelievably fucking angry because, like I don't know, a

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 3>bunch of my family doesn't live in this country, which

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 3>means I have to deal with the fact that, like

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 3>everyone else who lives in another country, is a human

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 3>being who's exactly the same as fucking we are, and

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 3>this is the thing that nobody else appears to want

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 3>to fuck deal with. I am losing my shit. Please

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 3>God stop talking about the tariffs as if they only

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 3>affect the United States and aren't mostly going to be

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 3>born by everyone else. I didn't write a transition for this,

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 3>but you know I will transition out of this by

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 3>again going back to the fact that all of the

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 3>reason this is going to be so bad is that

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 3>the global economy is based on, you know, a combination

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 3>of resource extraction and a combination of logistical supply lines

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 3>that all rely on there not being one hundred percent

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 3>tariffs on goods and importers to the US. And when

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 3>this shit goes through and when the rest of the

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 3>tariffs go through and make it you know, the thing

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 3>that's happening right now as an attempt to avoid this

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 3>stuff is everyone you know, and this is something like

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Nintendo has been talking about right with a like, Okay,

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 3>our plan to avoid the tariffs on China is to

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 3>move a bunch of our production into Vietnam. And that

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 3>was happening anyways before the tariffs because of sort of

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 3>rising labor costs in China, and you know, a whole

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 3>bunch of sort of factors like that. But none of

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 3>that shit, none of that stuff that's like to sort

0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 3>of like keep the current global economy on a lifeline,

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 3>is going is going to be able to function once

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:26.479
<v Speaker 3>the tariffs on basically every country on Earth go into effect.

0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 3>And there's a second problem here, which is that, Okay,

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:32.719
<v Speaker 3>so what is the new economy going to look like

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 3>these people like that are the people running like the administration, right,

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 3>like people like Navarro and people like Trump, and a

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 3>lot of the sort of like right, who is driving

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:43.800
<v Speaker 3>the policy thing here? Think that this that the production

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:45.360
<v Speaker 3>that's happening everywhere else in the world will just be

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:49.040
<v Speaker 3>replaced by the US. And there was a trap that

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 3>people fall into with Chinese economics. And I do this

0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 3>too sometimes because it's you know, it's a fast and

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 3>easy way to think about the Chinese economy, and.

0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 2>It's not accurates.

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 3>It's not like, isn't capital the whole picture of what's

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 3>going on? But the way that people think about the

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 3>Chinese economy tends to be that the reason that things

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 3>are made in China is because labor is cheap there

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 3>because either a culmination of exploitation and poverty. And that's

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:18.560
<v Speaker 3>true to an extent, right, But the actual sort of

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 3>genius from capitalist perpective of capitalis returns to China was that,

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, from a capitalist perspective, the Chinese workforce, and

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:28.959
<v Speaker 3>this continues to be true thirty or forty years into

0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 3>the transition, is highly educated and highly skilled, and the

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 3>education was paid for not by capitalism, right, it was

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 3>paid for by the sort of socialist system. Like this,

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 3>This combination of things of a highly educated and an

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 3>increasingly highly skilled as they've been, you know, working these jobs,

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 3>means that there is an extremely high skilled migrant labor

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 3>population that knows how to do a bunch of shit

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 3>like circuit board assembly and like stuff with like chip assembly, right,

0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:59.480
<v Speaker 3>that is vital to making electronics. And the US does

0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 3>not have a couple of one hundred thousand micro workers

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 3>that you can just have and like exploit and not

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.000
<v Speaker 3>pay healthcare costs to to know how all of the

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:12.759
<v Speaker 3>chip manufacturing shit works. Right, There are people in the

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 3>US who know how to do some of these kinds

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 3>of things. But we're talking, you know, even even though

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 3>the US does have a manufacturing economy and it is

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:23.719
<v Speaker 3>very high tech, it is not on the scale of

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 3>these things.

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:25.359
<v Speaker 5>Right.

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 3>And the second, the second big reason why things are

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 3>producing in China, and this is this is the reason

0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:32.439
<v Speaker 3>why production didn't just shift all shift out of China

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 3>after twenty eleven when there were huge protests there and

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 3>huge riots there over sort of labor conditions, is that

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 3>there is an unbelievable amount of like capital outlet, like

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 3>this physical factory infrastructure that is in China that you

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:48.280
<v Speaker 3>can't easily just move out to another country.

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 2>And this is this is the basic things.

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 3>Like the power grid functions right, and you can't really

0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 3>easily replicate that, and you can't just have this thing

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 3>that they're all people want to do. We're like the

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 3>US will just suddenly, you know, have all of these factories,

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 3>right and suddenly like all these things will just like

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 3>come back and miraculously like there will be all of

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.360
<v Speaker 3>these jobs because like who the fuck is going like,

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:13.839
<v Speaker 3>we don't we literally we don't have.

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 2>The technology for this. We'll not technlogy.

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 3>It was like, who is going to build all of

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 3>the factories, right, Like the factories don't exist here, the

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:24.839
<v Speaker 3>like the interlague technical systems for them don't exist here.

0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:27.920
<v Speaker 4>You don't want to switch to costing fifty thousand dollars

0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 4>available in ten years pre order now, Sorry, no available

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:35.120
<v Speaker 4>in twenty years. I forgot about the environmental impact surveys.

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah iPhone, iPhone twenty years.

0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:36.839
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 3>But like you know, and like and like a lot

0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 3>of this is because I like, you know, you're hearing

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 3>a lot of reports now if like small business owners

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:44.120
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about, like, yeah, it's so much easier to

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 3>work with Chinese manufacturers, is like im possible to work

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:51.439
<v Speaker 3>with American manufacturers, And part of that is just exploitation, right, Like, yeah,

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.440
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of things that like there there were

0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 3>like labor conditions that are very common in China that

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:57.360
<v Speaker 3>do happen in the US but are much easier to

0:35:57.400 --> 0:35:59.920
<v Speaker 3>do there. But also like I don't know, like China

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 3>it has like an entire network of like the ability

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 3>to basically do this sort of like pop up light

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:07.839
<v Speaker 3>and media manufacturing that can like retool itself really quickly,

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:10.360
<v Speaker 3>and the US doesn't fucking have that, right, Like we

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:13.719
<v Speaker 3>do have a bunch of manufacturing in the US, right,

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 3>Like that is the thing that we have, but it

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 3>was largely pushed into like the suburbs to get rid

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 3>of sort of like the masses of workers that a

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 3>rose in cities like Detroit, to like atomize them, right,

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 3>And this is actually like also happening in China right now, weirdly,

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:28.799
<v Speaker 3>Like China has been pivoting to a service economy for

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 3>a long time, but think this thing is those service economies.

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:33.479
<v Speaker 3>A lot of that shit is like also like drop

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:37.840
<v Speaker 3>shipping production. Right, but like you know, there's no actual

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.439
<v Speaker 3>way for you know becaure like capital at like costs

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:42.440
<v Speaker 3>and things like that. There's no actual way to replicate

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:45.240
<v Speaker 3>the conditions in China that make it like an effective

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 3>like source of global production in the US or even

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 3>in like a country like India, Like there's just not

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 3>the infrastructure there to do it, and there's not the

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.120
<v Speaker 3>sort of like migrot labor population. It's not the sort

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 3>of things that you need. And what this means right now,

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:02.840
<v Speaker 3>right is that like there is not a future lined

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 3>up to replace the one that we're in right now.

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 3>We literally don't know what this is going to do

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 3>because no one has ever bothered planning this shit out,

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:14.400
<v Speaker 3>because this is just like taking a sledgehammer to fucking everything.

0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:16.759
<v Speaker 3>Like they are trying to extract the copper wires from

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:18.400
<v Speaker 3>the house, and in order to do this, they like

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 3>you know aid because they think they think that's how

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 3>the economy works, is they attract the copper wires and

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:23.799
<v Speaker 3>b their planned to extract the copper wires is to

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:24.400
<v Speaker 3>blow the house.

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Up with dynamite.

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 3>And now no one's ever done in environmental impact statements

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:31.040
<v Speaker 3>on what if you blow the house up with dynamite,

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 3>because why the fuck would you do that?

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 4>Right, Sometimes the police do that.

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 3>It's true, it's true, but I guess, I guess the

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 3>US is the world's police force. But you go, you know,

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 3>like no one has planned for this. But the second

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 3>thing is there isn't another model of capital waiting in

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 3>the wings in the way that there was when when

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:50.880
<v Speaker 3>the sort of Reaganites did this the economy, because the

0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 3>Reaganites had an entire ideological apprightus.

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:53.839
<v Speaker 2>They had they had.

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 3>A like a functional way for the economy to work

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.200
<v Speaker 3>and be worse and be more exploitive. But there's there's

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 3>nothing behind this, right, There's just a vision that literally

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:07.840
<v Speaker 3>cannot work. And so the place that I want to

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:09.960
<v Speaker 3>end as as we head into the end of the economy,

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:12.320
<v Speaker 3>and as you know, I like I've been trying to

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 3>grapple with what is it going to look like after this,

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 3>is that we just don't know. Things in the supply

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.719
<v Speaker 3>chain are going to break that we have never thought

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 3>about before, Like medical systems are going to start breaking down, right,

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 3>The supply chains for like like really really basic goods

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 3>that we don't even think about the production process of

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 3>is going to start breaking down because it relies on

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:39.360
<v Speaker 3>being able to cheaply import one very very specific kind

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:43.279
<v Speaker 3>of like I don't know, like ball bearing that's made

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 3>in one factory and suddenly cost like four hundred times

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:52.080
<v Speaker 3>as much as it did before, And we don't know

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:55.239
<v Speaker 3>what that's going to do. And this is on the

0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 3>one hand, absolutely horrifying, right, like, this is going to

0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:03.680
<v Speaker 3>mean an unbelievable amount of suffering for people across the world.

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:07.719
<v Speaker 3>But on the other hand, there is no plan, right,

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:11.160
<v Speaker 3>They don't have a fucking strategy, and that means that

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 3>the future of the global economy is up in the air,

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:16.840
<v Speaker 3>and it's up to us to make it a fucking

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 3>better one. Right, It's we either drive these people from

0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 3>power and we and we destroy the basis of their

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:23.840
<v Speaker 3>power on such a fundamental level they can never return

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:27.279
<v Speaker 3>to power, right, Like, we just we just fucking ncap them.

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:30.920
<v Speaker 3>We physically seize all of the fucking assets and all

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 3>of the things, of the productive capacity that they have

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:34.880
<v Speaker 3>that has been allowing you to do this. We make

0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 3>sure they can never get it again, and we make

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:38.640
<v Speaker 3>sure that we fucking control it. And we either do

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:41.359
<v Speaker 3>that or we all get crushed for a generation and

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 3>we enter a period of just unmitigated global suffering, the

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:50.799
<v Speaker 3>likes of which only a few people in the most

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.840
<v Speaker 3>hideously wartone parts of the world have experienced today.

0:39:55.200 --> 0:40:00.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I for one am very excited to see the

0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:06.880
<v Speaker 4>anarchist liberal reglobalization Alliance finally fighting in the streets of

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 4>Seattle to regain globalization full circle.

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 3>You know, I will point out the reason they all

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 3>called it alter globalization and not anti globalization was that,

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:19.800
<v Speaker 3>like one of the one of the original.

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.359
<v Speaker 4>Lines them did say anti globalization, they did, right, but.

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Like a like a like a lot of their argument was.

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:27.239
<v Speaker 4>Like the West Coast team, certainly this is true.

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:28.680
<v Speaker 3>But like like it's also it's also true that like

0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:30.680
<v Speaker 3>like like one of the arguments they were making was that,

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:35.440
<v Speaker 3>like neoliberal globalization meant that people couldn't move to places,

0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:37.920
<v Speaker 3>but capital could. And the thing that they want was

0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:40.040
<v Speaker 3>a world where people can move between things and like,

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 3>fuck capital, what the fuck like eat shit? Right, And

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.239
<v Speaker 3>that's a world that we can build, right, we can

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:49.719
<v Speaker 3>build a world where fucking nobody gets arrested by the

0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 3>immigration Gestapo, where like there isn't a fucking line on

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:54.840
<v Speaker 3>the ground that dictates whether people can disappear you to

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 3>a concentration.

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:57.919
<v Speaker 2>Camp, and that is also globalization.

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:02.640
<v Speaker 4>Right, we just have to fucking do it and our

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 4>co clintonism. One day we can look at a beautiful world.

0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 3>Look, if Bill Crystal can admit the radicals were right,

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 3>all of these other motherfuckers could come around. We've been

0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 3>writ all, but we've been right the whole fucking time.

0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Fuck you assholes.

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 3>This all of you broke this world and it is

0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 3>now our job to put it back together. And you

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:23.600
<v Speaker 3>fuckers are going to back us or we are all

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 3>going to be killed by fascism.

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:28.920
<v Speaker 2>And those are the terms. Deal with it.

0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 4>It's a strange world we live in. Boom.

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