WEBVTT - Square Dancing

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Tracy V.

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson and I'm Holly Frye.

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<v Speaker 2>In our episode on Scott Joplin, we briefly discussed the

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<v Speaker 2>cake walk and its origins is sort of a competitive

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<v Speaker 2>entertainment during the era of chattel slavery in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>and in that discussion I briefly mentioned that square dancing

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<v Speaker 2>also has some thorny backstory, and we immediately got a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of email asking for an episode. So here it

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<v Speaker 2>is to be clear upfront, square dancing is still a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>There are active square dancing clubs all over the US,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as some in Canada. There are regional and

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<v Speaker 2>national square dancing conventions every year. There are also square

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<v Speaker 2>dance organizations outside North America, although it does seem like

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<v Speaker 2>some of those have disbanded over the last few years.

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<v Speaker 2>At least one of them, like specifically mentioned the effects

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<v Speaker 2>of the COVID nineteen pandemic is their reason for disbanding.

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<v Speaker 2>So while square dancing is not as popular today as

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<v Speaker 2>it was at its peak, we're not talking about a

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<v Speaker 2>pastime that's totally gone.

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<v Speaker 1>For anybody that doesn't know. Square dancing is a social

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<v Speaker 1>dance in which four couples dance in a square. For

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, it was basically assumed that each couple

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<v Speaker 1>would be made up of one man and one woman, or,

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<v Speaker 1>in the case of gym class, which how a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of us got introduced to it, yet one boy and

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<v Speaker 1>one girl, unless maybe gym class was not evenly split

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<v Speaker 1>into boys and girls. Some square dancing guides written in

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<v Speaker 1>more recent years point out that the dancer's gender does

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<v Speaker 1>not really matter, and they switch over to using words

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<v Speaker 1>like left partner and right partner, or lead and follow.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of the time the calls, which are

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<v Speaker 1>sort of this part of square dancing, still use more

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<v Speaker 1>gendered language. It kind of varies a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Those calls, though, are one of the most recognizable hallmarks

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<v Speaker 2>of square dancing. The caller is a person who calls

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<v Speaker 2>out the instructions to the dancing couples, usually intertwined with

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of pattern. The moves that they are calling

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<v Speaker 2>out are known as figures, so for example, the dosy

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<v Speaker 2>dough also called the doc doe, or various other like

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<v Speaker 2>slight regional pronunciations that comes from the French for back

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<v Speaker 2>to back. It's one of several figures whose name does

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<v Speaker 2>come from French. So partners face each other, they pass

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<v Speaker 2>each other right shoulder to right shoulder, and then kind

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<v Speaker 2>of step sideways, so they pass back to back, and

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<v Speaker 2>then backwards so that they pass left shoulder to left shoulder,

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<v Speaker 2>so they kind of go around one another back to back.

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<v Speaker 2>There are dances that use a specific sequence of figures

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<v Speaker 2>in a specific order, which dancers can memorize, but a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the time, especially in modern square dancing, the

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<v Speaker 2>caller is really the person who's leading the dance, and

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<v Speaker 2>the dancers are following the caller's direction. A common theme

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of writing about square dancing is that

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<v Speaker 2>it has very old roots. S Foster Damon was a poet,

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<v Speaker 2>a William Blake scholar, and a square dancing enthusiast, and

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen fifty seven he published a short book called

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<v Speaker 2>The History of Square Dancing, and that book begins quote

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<v Speaker 2>anthropologist report that the great apes have been observed dancing

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<v Speaker 2>in lines and circles. If this be so, folk dancing

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<v Speaker 2>is probably older than mankind. Most other writers don't go

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<v Speaker 2>back quite that far. I sort of love that idea, though.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, me too.

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<v Speaker 2>Even with not going back quite that farther, there's this

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<v Speaker 2>general sense that we're talking about something with very old roots,

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<v Speaker 2>and so a lot of writing about square dancing starts

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<v Speaker 2>the story with Morris dancing. That's an English folk dance

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<v Speaker 2>that probably dates back to sometime in the mid fifteenth century,

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<v Speaker 2>was well established by the mid sixteenth century. This was

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<v Speaker 2>traditionally performed by men, although that's not always true today.

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<v Speaker 2>Dancers formed two lines facing one another. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the time they would have bells tied to their lower legs.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a really energetic dance, involves a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>jumping and leaping.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of times.

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<v Speaker 2>The dancers have wooden sticks or swords that they tap

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<v Speaker 2>together or strike against the ground. There are similar folk

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<v Speaker 2>dance traditions in other parts of the world, and Morris

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<v Speaker 2>dancing is also likely connected to other traditions like mummers plays.

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<v Speaker 2>Not everyone agrees with this connection to Morris dancing, though.

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<v Speaker 2>In a two thousand and one paper in the Yearbook

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<v Speaker 2>for Traditional Music, Colin Quigley describes the inclusion of Morris

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<v Speaker 2>dance in the family tree of modern Western square dance

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<v Speaker 2>as rather fanciful Quigly is a professor whose research work

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<v Speaker 2>focuses on folklore, ethnomusicology and dance ethnology, and he is

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<v Speaker 2>also a fiddler and a dancer himself. But there is

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<v Speaker 2>a clearer connection between square dancing and country dances that

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<v Speaker 2>were developing in parts of Britain in the sixteenth century.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of country dances also started with people in

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<v Speaker 2>rows facing one another, but while the morris dancers were

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<v Speaker 2>usually all male, in country dances these were couples, with

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<v Speaker 2>the men in one row and the women in the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Long Ways dances started with the couple at the head

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<v Speaker 2>of the line dancing together, and then the dance moved

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<v Speaker 2>down the line from there. Latecomers could join the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the lines without interrupting anything, and people who maybe

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<v Speaker 2>weren't really all that familiar with the dance could get

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<v Speaker 2>the gist of what they were supposed to do by

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<v Speaker 2>the time it was their turn.

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<v Speaker 1>There were also country dances in other formations, including squares

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<v Speaker 1>and rounds. In sixteen fifty one, John Playford published a

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<v Speaker 1>book called the English Dancing Master, or Plain and Easy

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<v Speaker 1>Rules for the Dancing of Country Dances, with the tune

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<v Speaker 1>to each dance it's usually noted as the first book

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<v Speaker 1>to document all these dances. Many editions followed through the

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<v Speaker 1>seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries, which included more and more

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<v Speaker 1>dances over time. Other dances that evolved during this era

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<v Speaker 1>that are sometimes included in the history of square dancing

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<v Speaker 1>include maypole dances, Scottish reels, and Irish jigs, and set dances.

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<v Speaker 2>These English country dances were, like their names suggests, associated

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<v Speaker 2>with the country. Upper class people did them in their

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<v Speaker 2>country homes, while working class people did basically the same

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<v Speaker 2>dances in fields or taverns or other gathering places. When

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<v Speaker 2>these dances were introduced to France in the early eighteenth century,

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<v Speaker 2>the name country dance morphed into contra dance contract meaning

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<v Speaker 2>against or opposing, referencing those two lines of dancers facing

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<v Speaker 2>one another. That then became contra dance, which still exists today. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>as English country dances were being held in fields and homes,

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<v Speaker 2>other styles of dance were being developed in the ballrooms

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<v Speaker 2>of France. A court dance called the branles involved a

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<v Speaker 2>chain of dancers in a line or a circle. The courtellon,

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<v Speaker 2>named for a French word that at the time meant

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<v Speaker 2>petticoat was a court dance in which four couples danced

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<v Speaker 2>in a square. When the courtillon was introduced into English

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<v Speaker 2>speaking areas that name morphed, it got an extra syllable

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<v Speaker 2>as cotillion.

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<v Speaker 3>Extra eye.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it comes out as a syllable, depending on how

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<v Speaker 1>southern your accent is. In the eighteenth century, the courtillent

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<v Speaker 1>grew into the quadrille, which again had four couples dancing

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<v Speaker 1>in a square formation, but tended to be longer and

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<v Speaker 1>more complex and intricate than the Courtillan quadrilla was complicated

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<v Speaker 1>enough that things like playing cards and fans were printed

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<v Speaker 1>that included all the steps.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, when these were introduced into English, it just

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<v Speaker 1>became quadrille or quadrille.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to have a an acquaintance who I met

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<v Speaker 1>through the family who would say quadrille. Sure they got

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<v Speaker 1>a very short, clipped version of it, which is ye, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>quite cute.

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<v Speaker 2>There were, also, of course, dances from other parts of Europe,

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<v Speaker 2>but the ones that are usually referenced in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>square dancing history were mostly from England and France, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>also with the inclusion of Scotland and Ireland, and then

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<v Speaker 2>during the colonial era. In the early years in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, a dance or other social event might include

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<v Speaker 2>a mix of these and other dances. For example, this

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<v Speaker 2>description of a seventeen eighty two ball was written by

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<v Speaker 2>a tutor at Yale quote. The ball was opened with

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<v Speaker 2>a menuet and a country dance was immediately called. They

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<v Speaker 2>succeeded each other till supper, which was a good one,

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<v Speaker 2>but plane A few cotillions were then danced with one

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<v Speaker 2>or two reels, and the whole closed with a set

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<v Speaker 2>of country dances. Broke up around three, and each retired

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<v Speaker 2>with his partner. Just a note here, since we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about calling earlier. When he says called here, that just

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<v Speaker 2>means that somebody called for a country dance to start

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<v Speaker 2>the calling out of the figures that is part of

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<v Speaker 2>square dancing. Like that was not a thing yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that was more like a let's have a minuet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early nineteenth century, French quadrias started to overtake

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<v Speaker 1>English country dances in popularity in the US, again as

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<v Speaker 1>a quadrille. Some of this probably stems from the aftermath

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<v Speaker 1>of both the Revolutionary War and the War of eighteen twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>While there were still pockets of people that felt a

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<v Speaker 1>kinship and even loyalty to Britain. There was also a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of anti British sentiment. Meanwhile, France had helped the

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<v Speaker 1>United States win the Revolutionary War, and in eighteen oh

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<v Speaker 1>three the Louisiana Purchase also meant that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>land that had previously been claimed by France instead became

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<v Speaker 1>part of the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that just met.

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<v Speaker 2>More people with more potentially French ancestry and knowledge of

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<v Speaker 2>French culture. These dances, of course, also continued to evolve

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<v Speaker 2>after being introduced to North America, and we will talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that after a sponsor break. English country dances and

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<v Speaker 2>French dances like the quadriy continued to evolve after being

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<v Speaker 2>introduced to North America, including through influences from outside of

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<v Speaker 2>the European colonists who brought them. For example, colonists took

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<v Speaker 2>inspiration from indigenous people's round dances, in which a chain

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<v Speaker 2>of dancers forms a circle, and ones in which indigenous

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<v Speaker 2>dancers formed a line that coiled into the center and

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<v Speaker 2>then back out again. There are also letters and journals

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<v Speaker 2>from the eighteenth to nineteenth centuries written by Europeans that

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<v Speaker 2>describe Indigenous people learning European style dances, or Indigenous women

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<v Speaker 2>as dancing partners at places like army forts during the

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<v Speaker 2>United States westward expansion. Some of these accounts, especially earlier ones,

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<v Speaker 2>seem to suggest a cultural exchange between Europeans and Indigenous people,

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<v Speaker 2>including descriptions of indigenous communities choosing to do both European

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<v Speaker 2>dances and ones from their own cultures and traditions during

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<v Speaker 2>their celebrations, But other accounts of this describe it more

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<v Speaker 2>as a form of cultural imperialism. For example, Francois de

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<v Speaker 2>Chateaubrian's accounts of his travels through North America in seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety one include a description of a French dancing master

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<v Speaker 2>named Monsieur Violets teaching among the Hedenashone. Taubran's descriptions of

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<v Speaker 2>the indigenous dancers are racist and insulting, and he frames

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<v Speaker 2>violets teaching efforts as bringing civilization quote even unto the

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<v Speaker 2>air and hordes of the New World. Another big influence

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<v Speaker 2>on the social dancing of colonial North America and the

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<v Speaker 2>early United States came from enslaved Africans. This included ring

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<v Speaker 2>dances and ring shouts that originated in Western and Central Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>which people continued to do after being brought to the

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<v Speaker 2>Americas by force. But the biggest African influences on square

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<v Speaker 2>dancing were in the music and the practice of calling.

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<v Speaker 2>In that earlier Scott Joplin episode, we talked about entertainment

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<v Speaker 2>being one of the few careers during his lifetime that

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<v Speaker 2>was open to black people and didn't involve domestic work

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<v Speaker 2>or manual labor. Joplin was born after the US Civil War,

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<v Speaker 2>but prior to the Civil War it was also extremely

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<v Speaker 2>common for enslaved people to work as musicians in the

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<v Speaker 2>homes and gathering places of white people, and based on

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<v Speaker 2>all the documentation we have, of the first people to

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<v Speaker 2>call square dances were black.

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<v Speaker 1>This probably had some roots in the call in response

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<v Speaker 1>that was part of both African and African American traditions,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also had a really practical use. Black musicians

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<v Speaker 1>learned music to play at the homes of white people

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<v Speaker 1>who already knew how to do the dances. They had

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<v Speaker 1>been taught by a dancing instructor or possibly a family

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<v Speaker 1>member or a friend. But when the musicians played these

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<v Speaker 1>same songs for their own communities, people did not already

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<v Speaker 1>know the steps, so the person playing the fiddle or

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<v Speaker 1>the banjo or some other instrument also called out the

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<v Speaker 1>figures so that the dancers would know what to do.

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<v Speaker 2>As a note, it is possible that this calling really

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<v Speaker 2>got its start among enslaved people in the Caribbean, and

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<v Speaker 2>that enslaved people then introduced it to North America from there,

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<v Speaker 2>and European dances were introduced of course to the Caribbean

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<v Speaker 2>as well. For example, there are a lot of variations

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<v Speaker 2>on the quadrille and the Caribbean, with a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>different styles, a lot of slightly different names. They vary

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<v Speaker 2>a lot from island to island, in country to country,

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<v Speaker 2>but like this dance has become a big part of

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<v Speaker 2>those cultures.

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<v Speaker 1>S Foster Damon described calling this way, although he credits

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<v Speaker 1>it to some smart American, which, given the context he

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<v Speaker 1>was writing in, suggests that he thought that this person

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<v Speaker 1>was white.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Like all great inventions, it was simple. The fiddler or

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<v Speaker 1>the leader of the orchestra merely kept telling the dancers

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<v Speaker 1>what to do next. Nobody who knew the six or

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<v Speaker 1>eight fundamental calls could go very far wrong. The fiddler

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<v Speaker 1>thus ceased to be an accompanist. He became the creator

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<v Speaker 1>of the dance. He could vary the figures at any

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<v Speaker 1>moment just to keep the dancers on their toes. He

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<v Speaker 1>could invent new dances. He could even call at random

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<v Speaker 1>anything that happened to pop into his head. These fancy figures,

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<v Speaker 1>when nobody knew what was coming next, became popular as

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<v Speaker 1>the last dance in a set. The prompter could in

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<v Speaker 1>a actually did sing the calls, weaving rude rhymes and

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<v Speaker 1>filling out the calls with comments on the individuals present.

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<v Speaker 1>Thus the ancient trio of melody, verse and dance was

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<v Speaker 1>identified once more, and the collar was the modern equivalent

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<v Speaker 1>of the antique corugus. But most important of all, he

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<v Speaker 1>kept square dancing alive, fluid growing at the very time

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<v Speaker 1>it was becoming formalized in Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not clear exactly when white musicians or white dancing

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<v Speaker 2>instructors started to call dances. The first known reference to

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<v Speaker 2>a white collar is from Chicago in eighteen thirty six,

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<v Speaker 2>but that was almost two decades after the first descriptions

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<v Speaker 2>of black callers at dances. An eighteen forty one book

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<v Speaker 2>called The Ballroom Instructor, containing a complete description of cotillions

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<v Speaker 2>and other popular dances, mentions Squadrill's being called, so by

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<v Speaker 2>that point the practice seems to have become pretty well established,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of who was playing at the dance or doing

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<v Speaker 2>the calls.

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<v Speaker 1>Although Damon described this as a great invention, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the people who wrote about it in the mid

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<v Speaker 1>eighteenth through early nineteenth centuries were really critical of the

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<v Speaker 1>practice of calling. For example, in eighteen fifty six, dancing

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<v Speaker 1>master Charles Durang described called dances as annoying and described

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<v Speaker 1>calling itself as quote a vile custom marring the melody

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<v Speaker 1>of the heirs. This was in his book The Fashionable

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<v Speaker 1>Dancer's Casket or the Ballroom Instructor, a new and splendid

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<v Speaker 1>work on dancing, etiquette, deportment, and the toilet. In eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three, Gallop, which was a publication of the American

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<v Speaker 1>National Association of Masters of Dancing, ran an article that

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<v Speaker 1>described the typical caller as quote a very poor musician

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<v Speaker 1>with a big voice, who has got all his knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>from cheap handbooks. That said dancing was an extremely important

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<v Speaker 1>social activity in the nineteenth century when it came to

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<v Speaker 1>community gap gatherings, and a lot of the us the

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<v Speaker 1>only thing that was more important than a dance was church.

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<v Speaker 1>Over time, regional styles of square dancing started to develop,

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<v Speaker 1>with different dances and practices in New England, the Southern

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<v Speaker 1>Appalachian Mountains, and the western United States. But around the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen nineties, even as the magazine Gallop was complaining about callers,

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<v Speaker 1>this type of dancing was starting to wane as a pastime.

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<v Speaker 1>People still hosted social dances, but they were more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to be dominated by waltzes and two steps. This was

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<v Speaker 1>especially true in cities where trends had shifted to other

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<v Speaker 1>types of dances, and dancing schools started focusing on those

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<v Speaker 1>rather than things like the quadrille. Square dancing and other

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<v Speaker 1>similar dances held on in more rural areas, though. From

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixteen to nineteen eighteen, Cecil Sharp and Maud Carpels

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<v Speaker 1>traveled through the Southern Appalachian Mountains as song catchers. They

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<v Speaker 1>were collecting and documenting folk songs. This was during the

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<v Speaker 1>First English Folk Revival, which stretched from the late nineteenth

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<v Speaker 1>through the early twentieth centuries and was an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>collect and preserve folk music before it could fade from memory.

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<v Speaker 1>Both of these folks were British. Sharp was co founder

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<v Speaker 1>of the English folk dance society. In the US, Sharp

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<v Speaker 1>and Carpels found areas where folk dances and folk music

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<v Speaker 1>were still really popular, and Sharp came to the conclusion

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<v Speaker 1>that what he was witnessing was quintessentially American. He also

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<v Speaker 1>thought the ballads he heard being performed in Appalachia were

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<v Speaker 1>British folk songs essentially unchanged, which were simply no longer

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<v Speaker 1>being performed in Britain at all, So there's an irony here.

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<v Speaker 1>You could argue that square dancing was quint essentially American

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<v Speaker 1>because it incorporated influences from Europeans, Africans, and Indigenous peoples,

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<v Speaker 1>becoming its own unique style of social dance. But Sharp

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<v Speaker 1>really framed this more as an untarnessed preservation of Anglo

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<v Speaker 1>Saxon heritage. He ignored the spirituals and hymns written by

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<v Speaker 1>Black people that are also part of Appalachian music, disregarded

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<v Speaker 1>any potential influence from indigenous people. S Foster Damon pointed

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<v Speaker 1>out that he also disregarded the much more obvious influence

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<v Speaker 1>of music and dance from Ireland and France. Sharp and

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<v Speaker 1>Carpels did influential and really important work by documenting hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of Appalachian folks songs that might have gone unrecorded if

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<v Speaker 1>they hadn't. But this was really skewed, and that skewed

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<v Speaker 1>perception fit right into an attempt to revive square dancing

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<v Speaker 1>as something quintessentially American, meaning white like in American Country

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<v Speaker 1>Dances twenty eight Contra Dances largely from the New England

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<v Speaker 1>States by Elizabeth Burschenel, published in nineteen eighteen. The author writes, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of the old, most truly American sections

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<v Speaker 1>of our country, where many generations of the same stock

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<v Speaker 1>have grown up undisturbed by foreign influences, and where sufficient

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<v Speaker 1>time has elapsed since the days of the early settlers

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<v Speaker 1>for the building up of certain traditions and customs. The

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<v Speaker 1>social group dances which have originated or evolved through common

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<v Speaker 1>usage under such conditions in this country are as truly

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<v Speaker 1>folk dances as those found in the older countries, and

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<v Speaker 1>have elements which are almost universally characteristic of folk dances.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet it has often been said that our country

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<v Speaker 1>has no folk music or folk dancing of its own

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<v Speaker 1>other than that of the American Indian. We are today

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<v Speaker 1>a nation of immigrants, not of Indians, and the folk

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<v Speaker 1>traditions that are most essentially our own are those which

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<v Speaker 1>have developed from traditions brought to us by our early

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants into something peculiarly our own. Later on, she specifically

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<v Speaker 1>mentions those early immigrants as coming from England, Ireland and Scotland.

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<v Speaker 2>And also this attempt to revive square dancing sort of

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<v Speaker 2>the first revival and one that just continued to keep

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<v Speaker 2>being re revived. That was happening at the same time

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<v Speaker 2>as xenophobia and racism were really escalating in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people really thought these dances were

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<v Speaker 2>a return to a forgotten art form that had been

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<v Speaker 2>developed by white people and was emblematic of white American culture.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't necessarily mean that the people who started trying

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<v Speaker 2>to introduce square dancing in schools and things like that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that they were explicitly intentionally doing it as

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<v Speaker 2>a way to reinforce white identity. But there was definitely

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of nostalgia for what people imagined as a

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<v Speaker 2>better time using a form of dance that was similarly

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<v Speaker 2>imagined as having been created by white European immigrants. We

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<v Speaker 2>are going to talk more about all of this after

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<v Speaker 2>we pause for a sponsor break. In the nineteen twenties

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<v Speaker 2>and nineteen thirties, more and more educators in the United

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<v Speaker 2>States started incorporating folk music and square dancing into their curricula.

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<v Speaker 2>One person who's often credited with spearheading this is Grace

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<v Speaker 2>Laura Ryan, who was a physical education and dance teacher

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<v Speaker 2>from Michigan and author of Dances of Our Pioneers, which

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<v Speaker 2>came out in nineteen thirty nine. Another big proponent is

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<v Speaker 2>Henry Ford. There's spent a lot of popular writing about

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<v Speaker 2>him and his advocacy of folk music and square dancing

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<v Speaker 2>over the past few years. A lot of this followed

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<v Speaker 2>a Twitter thread and a Courts article by Robin Panakia,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's included, among other things, a segment on Full

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<v Speaker 2>Frontal with Samantha Bee V.

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<v Speaker 1>Ford was vocally anti Semitic, and among other things, he

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<v Speaker 1>thought that Jewish people had taken over the entertainment industry

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<v Speaker 1>to the detriment of American culture. His newspaper, The Dearborn

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<v Speaker 1>Independent published a series of essays called The International Jew

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<v Speaker 1>that spoken deeply anti Semitic terms about jazz as Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>music and described the music itself in terms that evoked

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<v Speaker 1>racist stereotypes of black people. Attorney Aaron Sapiro later sued

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<v Speaker 1>Ford over material written about him elsewhere in this series,

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<v Speaker 1>leading forward to recant and apologize, but Ford also claimed

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<v Speaker 1>to have no knowledge of what had been published in

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<v Speaker 1>The International jew Henry Ford also did a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>promote folk dancing. He was born in eighteen sixty three,

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<v Speaker 1>so he was in his teens and early twenties, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of at the end of the peak popularity for these dances.

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<v Speaker 1>In his late teens, he had joined the Greenfield Dancing Club.

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<v Speaker 1>He even met his wife, Claire, at a dance. He

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<v Speaker 1>also started playing the violin at age ten, and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>bought stratavarius. So Henry Ford's promotion of folk music wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just about jazz. It was about trying to bring back

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<v Speaker 1>the pastimes of his youth. In nineteen twenty three, when

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<v Speaker 1>he was sixty, Ford bought and restored the Wayside Inn

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<v Speaker 1>in Sudbury, Massachusetts. He wanted to host dances there, the

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<v Speaker 1>kind that he remembered from when he was young, but

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't remember all the steps. He hired dance instructor

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Lovett, who went to older dancers and dance teachers

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<v Speaker 1>when he didn't know how to do specific dances that

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<v Speaker 1>Ford wanted. Eventually, Ford brought Lovett and his wife to Dearborn,

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan to teach old fashioned dances there. By late nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, newspapers in Detroit were reporting on Ford's plan

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<v Speaker 1>for a national revival of folk dances. I think at

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<v Speaker 1>this point we're on revival number two. Of the many

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<v Speaker 1>revivals of folk dancing, the revival, of course, included square dancing.

0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:06.800
<v Speaker 1>He built ballrooms, including one named after love It. He

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<v Speaker 1>established dancing schools, sponsored folk dancing programs and training programs

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<v Speaker 1>for teachers. He donated money to impoverished schools in the South,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of that money went to folk dancing, music,

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<v Speaker 1>and instructional materials. Ford also bought the Boxford Inn outside

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<v Speaker 1>of Detroit and restored it and started trying to rehire

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<v Speaker 1>the musicians who had played there forty years before. Many

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<v Speaker 1>of those musicians had long since retired or died. He

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<v Speaker 1>launched a fiddling contest in nineteen twenty five, although this

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<v Speaker 1>quickly grew beyond his control and he wasn't really part

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<v Speaker 1>of the national contest that grew out of it. When

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<v Speaker 1>more people started having their own radios. At home, Ford

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<v Speaker 1>sponsored a radio program called Early American Dance Music. There

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<v Speaker 1>are aspects of this that just seemed kind of deranged

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<v Speaker 1>to me, Like, well, it's like it's an exemplar of

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<v Speaker 1>the danger sick can happen when like wealth and nostalgia

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<v Speaker 1>collide in in somebody that has a bias for action. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen twenty six, Dearborn Publishing Company put out a

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<v Speaker 1>book titled Good Morning After a Sleep of twenty five years,

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<v Speaker 1>Old Fashioned Dancing is being revived by mister and missus

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<v Speaker 1>Henry Ford. In addition to including definitions for the most

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<v Speaker 1>common figures and music, and diagrams for square dances and

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<v Speaker 1>the Virginia reel and waltz's and others, this book also

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<v Speaker 1>includes Ford's thoughts on why old fashioned dancing is better.

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<v Speaker 1>The writing of this book is actually, I think credited

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<v Speaker 1>to Love It, but it's clear that this is like

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<v Speaker 1>reflecting Ford's opinions. He wrote quote, unless a dance be sociable,

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<v Speaker 1>it cannot live long. Unless it promote the spirit of play,

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<v Speaker 1>it will soon weary its devotees. And it is just

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<v Speaker 1>here that dances requiring eight or twelve or sixteen persons

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<v Speaker 1>as the unit for their performance, make their appeal more

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<v Speaker 1>persons thrown together, the spirit of grown up play is irresistible.

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<v Speaker 1>And besides, there is a wider scope and a stronger

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<v Speaker 1>demand for skill and style. The bane of the modern

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<v Speaker 1>dance was its almost utter lack of grace, style, and skill. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I have so many thoughts. Regardless of how much of

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<v Speaker 1>this was specifically about jazz and how much was more

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<v Speaker 1>about Ford's own intense nostalgia, these attempts to revive folk

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<v Speaker 1>dancing were absolutely connected to his opinion that the United

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<v Speaker 1>States was moving in the wrong direction. He was pushing

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<v Speaker 1>back against changing social norms and trying to return the

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<v Speaker 1>country to what he remembered from his youth, which he

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<v Speaker 1>imagined was a better time. Another irony here is that

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<v Speaker 1>one big part of all the social and economic changes

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<v Speaker 1>that were rippling through the country was the automobile. Yeah,

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 1>he did not seem all that critical of his own businesses. Wrong. Oh, No,

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<v Speaker 1>transportation evolved, but nothing else so uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Interest in square dancing dipped again and then revived again,

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<v Speaker 2>this time starting more in the Western United States. A

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<v Speaker 2>major figure in this next revival was actually a Chinese

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<v Speaker 2>American man named Song Chong, who learned some folk dances

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<v Speaker 2>on a ship en route to Europe and then started

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<v Speaker 2>a folk dance club in San Francisco after he returned

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty seven. He spearheaded the creation of the

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<v Speaker 2>Folk Dance Federation of California, which was formed in nineteen

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 2>forty two with Henry buzz Glass as its president. Another

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 2>key figure in this revival was Lloyd Shaw, also known

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 2>as Pappy. Shaw worked at Cheyenne Mountain Schools in Colorado Springs, Colorado,

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:49.720
<v Speaker 2>and had started encouraging dance as a safer pastime than football.

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 2>He also wanted the schools to get away from an

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 2>identity that was tightly connected to whether they were winning games.

0:28:56.640 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Shaw started promoting square dances, publishing Cowboys Dances in July

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen thirty nine and establishing a school for square

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 2>dance teachers in nineteen forty one. Shaw also established a

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 2>summer school for callers in nineteen forty nine. Tracy found

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 2>one source saying that Ford, who died in nineteen forty seven,

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 2>funded some of Shaw's work, but that is not something

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 2>that she was able to confirm. Yeah, I just found

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 2>one mention of it in one source. Square dancing's popularity

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 2>continued to grow again during the nineteen forties and fifties.

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen forty eight, Bob osgood established a square dancing

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 2>magazine called Sets in Order, later renamed Square Dancing, which

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 2>ran until nineteen eighty five. A lot of state and

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:45.280
<v Speaker 2>regional square dance associations were established in the nineteen fifties,

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:49.480
<v Speaker 2>and the first national square Dance conventions were held in

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifties as well. S. Foster Damon's History of

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.960
<v Speaker 2>square Dancing, which we've referenced a few times in this episode,

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 2>came out in nineteen fifty seven and it described as

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 2>that time as quote a great period of square dancing,

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 2>just putting it out there that this great period of

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 2>square dancing also included Brown versus Sport of Education in

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty four and the Montgomery Bus Boycott in nineteen

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 2>fifty five, So the civil rights movement is also part

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 2>of the context for the popularity of a dance form.

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 2>It was mostly associated with white people, which was widely

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:28.240
<v Speaker 2>imagined as a return to old fashioned Anglo Saxon heritage.

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventy one, Bob Osgoode an eleven other callers

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 2>established Collar lab to train new square dancing scholars and

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 2>to standardize the calls. Collar labs still exist today. Its

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:44.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three convention was held this past April, and

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty four convention is planned for March of

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 2>that year in Grapevine, Texas. The International Association of Gay

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Square Dance Clubs was established in nineteen eighty three that

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 2>also still exists and is hosting a convention in Ottawa

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 2>in July of this year and in Durham, North Carolina

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 2>next year. Both of these organizations were established during a

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 2>movement to name square dancing as the national folk dance

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 2>of the United States. A lot of the organizations spearheading

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 2>this movement were involved with modern Western square dancing, but

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifties, most square dancing had started to fall

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 2>into two broad categories. One was traditional square dancing, often

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 2>accompanied by a live fiddler, with regional differences in how

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 2>dances were done, and the other was modern Western square dancing,

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 2>which had really started to coalesce starting in the nineteen fifties.

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Modern Western square dancing is more formalized and standardized in

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 2>terms of figures and calls, and it's often done to

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<v Speaker 2>pre recorded music. There are four main levels, Mainstream plus, Advanced,

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<v Speaker 2>and Challenge, and as their names suggest, each level is

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 2>a bit more complex than the one before, with more

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 2>figures for dancers to learn. Yeah that the musical styles

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 2>more often used with traditional folk dancing usually include things

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 2>like folk music, fiddle music, what you might describe as

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 2>a hoedown, that kind of thing. Modern Western square dancing,

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 2>though like uses music across a lot of different genres.

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 2>During this campaign, roughly twenty states made square dancing their

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 2>state dance, and a handful of others made square dancing

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 2>the state folk dance specifically, and the campaign to make

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 2>square dancing the national folk dance saw some limited success

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:35.720
<v Speaker 2>in the early nineteen eighties. On June first, nineteen eighty two,

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<v Speaker 2>President Ronald Reagan signed a joint resolution naming square dance

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 2>as the National Folk dance of the United States for

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 2>the years nineteen eighty two and nineteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 1>That resolution read quote Whereas square dancing has been a

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>popular tradition in America since early colonial days, Whereas square

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 1>dancing has attained a revered status as part of the

0:32:56.800 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>folklore of this country. Whereas square dancing is a joyful

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 1>expression of the vibrant spirit of the people of the

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 1>United States. Whereas the American people value the display of

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 1>etiquette among men and women, which is a major element

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 1>of square dancing. Whereas square dancing is a traditional form

0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>of family recreation, which symbolizes a basic strength of this country,

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 1>namely the unity of the family. Whereas square dancing epitomizes

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 1>democracy because it dissolves arbitrary social distinctions. And whereas it

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:29.600
<v Speaker 1>is fitting that the square dance be added to the

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 1>array of symbols of our national character and pride. Now,

0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 1>therefore be it resolved by the Senate and House of

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 1>that the square dances designated the National Folk Dance of

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 1>the United States of America for nineteen eighty two. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty three, this is just so, Ronald Reagan's yes.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 2>Other similar mills were introduced unsuccessfully in the years of

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 2>five trying to make this like a permanent thing, not

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:04.440
<v Speaker 2>just nineteen eighty two and nineteen eighty three, and at

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 2>various points public hearings were held on the matter. Proponents

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:12.440
<v Speaker 2>of making square dancing the national folk dance talked about

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 2>square dancing is something that was cooperative, collaborative, accessible, and

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:21.880
<v Speaker 2>uniquely American. Leon Panetta, who at the time was serving

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:24.520
<v Speaker 2>in the House of Representatives but would later hold a

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 2>number of other positions including White House Chief of Staff,

0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Director of the CIA, and Secretary of Defense, was a

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 2>big proponent of this. One of his statements quote, square

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 2>dancing is an activity that symbolizes, I think the country's

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 2>basic strengths, the unity of the family, and a spirit

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:45.239
<v Speaker 2>of equality in which all people can equally enjoy this

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:48.839
<v Speaker 2>form of dancing. It is truly, I feel, symbolic of

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the vitality, diversity, history, and wholesomeness of this country.

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 1>I read that, I'm like how soon. But a lot

0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 1>of people were opposed to this whole idea, including folklorists,

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>dance historians, and black, Hispanic and Indigenous dancers. One active

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 1>square dancer who spoke in opposition was Bob Dalcimer, who

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.839
<v Speaker 1>was not part of the square dancing organizations that were

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>promoting the bills. Dalcimer objected to the inclusion of clogging,

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:24.759
<v Speaker 1>the Virginia reel, and other dances under the umbrella of

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 1>square dance. He also pointed out that rural communities that

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>had been square dancing for generations aka doing traditional square

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 1>dance would probably not recognize modern Western square dance at all.

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Some of the testimony against this bill circled back to

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:44.839
<v Speaker 1>some ideas we've already discussed. Raina Green at the time,

0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 1>president of the American Folklore Society, referenced attempts to force

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:52.399
<v Speaker 1>Indigenous children to assimilate with white culture. We've talked about

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 1>a number of those attempts on the show before. Quote,

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:57.959
<v Speaker 1>when my grandmother was a girl, and when my great

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 1>grandmother was a child, they were forbidden to speak their language,

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:04.879
<v Speaker 1>forbidden to dance their dances by the American government and

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 1>by missionaries in this country. How ironic I think it

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 1>would be if my grandmother, who danced the square dance

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 1>in school, the only place she ever danced it, but

0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:18.360
<v Speaker 1>could not dance her own tribal dances, were now to

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 1>be dishonored, and all of our ancestors were to be dishonored,

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>in fact, with the designation of a dance that represented

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the overturn and repression of our own dances and the

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:33.680
<v Speaker 1>oppression of our people. Green also noted that if Congress

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:37.800
<v Speaker 1>were instead to consider an indigenous dance as the National

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 1>folk dance, tribal peoples would have difficulty choosing which of

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>all the round dances it should be, because the round

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:49.319
<v Speaker 1>dances are all different, and the communities involved respect and

0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>honor those differences. And even if there had been more

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 1>acknowledgment that European, Indigenous and African influences all played a

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:00.839
<v Speaker 1>part in the development of square dancing, that still left

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:03.880
<v Speaker 1>out a lot of Americans. For example, in the words

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 1>of activist Juan Gutierrez during congressional earrings, quote, first of all,

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 1>our community doesn't have even the slightest idea of what

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 1>square dance is. I am director of a Puerto Rican

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:18.200
<v Speaker 1>folk music group. I respect the traditional square dancing form

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 1>as well as others, but I believe in national diversity.

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that square dancing will ever represent the

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:28.719
<v Speaker 1>diversity of people in the United States. Efforts to make

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.680
<v Speaker 1>square dancing the national folk dance seem to have fizzled

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 1>out in more recent years, and by the late nineteen eighties,

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:38.240
<v Speaker 1>square dancing was also starting to fall out of favor

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:42.359
<v Speaker 1>as part of school pe classes, which again it's where

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Holly and I were exposed to it. I'm sure we'll

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 1>talk about that more on Friday. As we said earlier,

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:52.320
<v Speaker 1>though there are still local, regional, national, and international square

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:55.800
<v Speaker 1>dance clubs. A lot of the most active square dancers

0:37:55.800 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 1>and callers today are elders, and these organizations are predominant white,

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:04.040
<v Speaker 1>but there are people who are trying to attract younger

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 1>and more diverse participants. There's an episode of Radio Lab

0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:11.120
<v Speaker 1>called Bertie in the Cage from October of twenty nineteen,

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.920
<v Speaker 1>in which reporter Tracy Hunt went to the National Convention

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.680
<v Speaker 1>and talked to some square dancers there about, among other things,

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>how this social dance is trying to evolve. Oh, I'm

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:27.719
<v Speaker 1>very excited for behind the scenes this time around, me too.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have some listener mail to take us out?

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<v Speaker 2>I do this Sister mail is from Vaughn and Von wrote,

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Dear Holly and Tracy, I found your episode about knitting,

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 2>and I have now listened to all the episodes. You

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:40.520
<v Speaker 2>keep me company as I hike drive to and from

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 2>work and while I'm doing things at home. Your sense

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.719
<v Speaker 2>of humor, respectful approach to topics, and empathy to all

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 2>the topics is so appreciated. I learned so much from

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:51.360
<v Speaker 2>your episodes, and most of the topics don't have relevance

0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:52.279
<v Speaker 2>to my working.

0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 3>Day until Mother Goose.

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:58.839
<v Speaker 2>I teach kindergarten in the San Francisco area. We use

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 2>the Mother Goose poems to teach rhyming. We act out

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:05.759
<v Speaker 2>the poems and draw our own interpretations of them. I've

0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:08.320
<v Speaker 2>been meaning to write in when you've done the previous

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:11.439
<v Speaker 2>Mother Goose Impossible episodes, and I'm finally doing it. I've

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 2>enclosed the art I use as a sample for Humpty

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Dumpty and Jack be Nimble. Also included are the motions

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 2>in case you'd like to act out the poems. I

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 2>hope you will enjoy the kindergartener's artwork as much as

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:26.320
<v Speaker 2>I do. This Jack be Nimble is from a current student.

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:30.399
<v Speaker 2>I've also enclosed my nine year old pug Finn, who

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:33.399
<v Speaker 2>puts up with me making him wear hats. This one

0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 2>is an eggplant hat. Thank you again for introducing me

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<v Speaker 2>to many new topics and all your hard work. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish you continued success, Love Vaughn, So thank you so much,

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Vond for these pictures.

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<v Speaker 3>Something.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one that's a drawing of Humpty Dumpty. Something about

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 2>this drawing of Humpty Dumpty. There is what looks like

0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:00.400
<v Speaker 2>a suggestion of legs in blue. But then what I

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 2>think is the body of Humpty Dumpty reminds me a

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:09.279
<v Speaker 2>little bit of like like a whole chicken, like with

0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:11.960
<v Speaker 2>the two chicken legs sticking up.

0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:18.840
<v Speaker 3>It is adorable. And then the Jackbie Nimble one Check.

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Has like a very green head and feet that look

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:25.680
<v Speaker 2>like an anchor to me, so that is fun. And

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<v Speaker 2>then of course a pug and a hat with the

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:37.400
<v Speaker 2>like pug tongue lall thing going. So anyway, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for sending these adorable pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>That seems like a great way to teach kids about rhymes.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are lots of like sort of easy gesture

0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:48.360
<v Speaker 1>based dances that you could make to go along with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these things. So thank you Von for

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<v Speaker 1>this note.

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