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Speaker 1: Everybody. It's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks.

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Speaker 1: And we continue now with part two of our conversation

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Speaker 1: with Susie hollandback right after these brief messages from our

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Speaker 1: general sponsors. And you say the backyard breeders, and I

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Speaker 1: get that. I've often wondered also about the pet shop breeders,

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Speaker 1: you know, the malls not being a big thing anymore,

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Speaker 2: Have a pet store.

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Speaker 1: The good yeah, And I remember when I was younger

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Speaker 1: going in and everybody would want to go in the

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: But looking back on it, some of those puppies didn't look.

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Speaker 2: So good, right, I'm not happy.

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Speaker 1: Telling me they bought pets from pet stores and they.

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Speaker 2: Were sick, right, So.

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Speaker 1: There must be I mean, these pet stores aren't, but

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Speaker 1: there must be, like I guess, not backyard breeders, but

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Speaker 1: puppy milk tight feeding those stores. Correct. That can't be

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Speaker 2: No, Well, we certainly didn't need any to be brought

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Speaker 2: to Memphis. We have enough animals here that we didn't

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Speaker 2: need some of these pet stores that have come at

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Speaker 2: pet Land and but I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, what happens in a pet store when a dog,

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Speaker 2: Good question, I wonder, right, because there's really no oversight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah so, and you know, I know the shelters aren't

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Speaker 2: really involved there. That's they have so much on their

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Speaker 1: What did I read about not too long ago, like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well they unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Because I've read about that in other cities too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well, you know, in an effort to house

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Speaker 2: In the Memphis summer, on AstroTurf. And it was a

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Speaker 2: really stupid decision. Oh yeah, oh yeah it was. It

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Speaker 2: was really bad. And ironically, the dog that died on

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Speaker 2: this astro turf was one our group had microchipped during

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Speaker 2: one of our spade clinics, and the family had surrendered

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Speaker 1: Basically by yeah, yeah, and this is what our taxpayer

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Speaker 2: Fund, right, And this was I mean, unfortunately, this new

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Speaker 2: at a previous facility where he was employed, and a

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Speaker 2: similar thing had happened, but employees at Memphis Animal Services

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Speaker 2: had told him this is not we didn't we just

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Speaker 2: don't even use the astro turf area during these times

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Speaker 1: So the reason I asked about that is if you

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Speaker 1: if you think about the no no kill thing, the

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Speaker 2: Well, we've gotten away from animal control in the name

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Speaker 2: This community sheltering sounds and feels good. But you know,

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Speaker 2: In absolutely what That was the policy of what they did,

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Speaker 2: People finding strays tried to take the dogs into the

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Speaker 2: We don't have room go put it back where you

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Speaker 1: Because we have community sheltering, right, which is basically let

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Speaker 1: Is it not just are we not just any day

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Speaker 2: I don't understand it. We've had people mauled and killed,

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Speaker 2: It may be Animal Services, So they've really taken a

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Speaker 2: look at these policies, and unfortunately, until they get a

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Speaker 2: But I in conversations feels as though he understands the

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Speaker 2: optimistic that a new direction will happen. But we have

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Speaker 2: got to get back to animal control meanwhile.

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Speaker 1: Correct And the reason I went off on this tangent

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Speaker 2: It's a broken window, you know what I mean. It's

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Speaker 1: This wouldn't happen in Germany.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, this wouldn't happen in even East Memphis.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but you said you scream at somebody. Can you

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Speaker 1: imagine every homeowner in East Memphis. All they would have

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Speaker 1: But the people in the underserved community don't have that

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Speaker 2: No, and so the dogs and they make the calls

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Speaker 2: and they don't get responded to, and it's it's blatant,

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Speaker 2: I've really this has been a point of contention for me.

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Speaker 2: And I mean we did a documentary on it, just

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Speaker 2: this issue. It's called the Memphis Underdog.

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Speaker 1: The Memphis Underdog. Nice title, but we're not talking about

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Speaker 1: the dog. We're talking about the people dealing with the dogs, right,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's the whole the whole piece, all.

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Speaker 1: Of the pieces to you. This is happening right now

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Speaker 1: in Little Rock and Birmingham and Louisville and Nashville and Montgomery.

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Speaker 2: This limited intake. Like I said, these large organizations push

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Speaker 2: the you know, for an area in Connecticut, community sheltering

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Speaker 2: by the end of the day. In Memphis, no, and

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Speaker 2: because they could a national story.

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Speaker 3: I once inter you're a guy who started a bunch

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Speaker 3: the guy who helped them do it said, all these

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Speaker 1: Right? Okay, this is really stupid. It's it's disgustinating that

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad we're doing this because everybody listens needs

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Speaker 2: It's it's absolutely it's wrong. It's what's happened in these

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Speaker 2: the dog's healthy. It's nice. I'm sorry, we can't take

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Speaker 1: It's horrible for the dog, it's horrible for the people

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Speaker 2: Well, and there's wonderful that teach our children, right, right,

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Speaker 2: Right, absolutely correct, right, And it's you know, this is

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Speaker 1: And that's the way it works, you know, I believe

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Speaker 2: No, I don't say I make it.

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Speaker 2: Well. I'm just a firm believe you know. If you

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Speaker 1: Maybe I need to do like the super Bowl and

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Here's here's something that wow. As

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Speaker 1: Once again, if they're not spade or neutered and they're

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Speaker 1: these animals. Well, now how does this not perpetua? Listen? Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: This one will mesmrize you. One female dog in her

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Speaker 1: Say that one more time, one female.

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Speaker 2: One female dog and her offspring can produce up to

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And that's that. So we leave these dogs right. Well,

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Speaker 2: there is no educating them, and they neglect. I have

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Speaker 1: And why why even get a dog?

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Speaker 2: Right? I mean it's because we have we have really

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Speaker 1: Candidly, why would I give a crap about my dog

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Speaker 2: Report a neglect situation and the animal controller officer comes

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Speaker 2: to your property and yes, the dog is starved, but

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Speaker 2: they have a doghouse. So the shelter tells you to

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Speaker 2: the dog. You've taught them that that's acceptable. You've taught

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Speaker 1: How many dogs as a shelter hold.

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Speaker 2: It should hold about one hundred and eighty one hundred

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Speaker 1: And sixty right, Okay, here's the thing. How much money

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Speaker 1: that are probably run around out there. The animal control officers,

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Speaker 1: running this place that is absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Doing nothing nothing.

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Speaker 1: Correct. This is insane.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a department. That's well, it's it is.

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Speaker 2: It's been a problem, you know, when they honestly took

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Speaker 2: So I mean, it was all a dynamic to absolutely

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Speaker 3: Okay, Bill, I looked it up nationwide. So an estimated

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the sixty seven thousand, that's that's right, over

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Speaker 1: all right. So let me just ask this question. Let's

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Speaker 1: and that dog's been refused shelter, and that dog mauls

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Speaker 1: not prove that the municipality shirked their responsibility on that

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Speaker 2: Oh you absolutely can. I mean not, you know, you

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe a dog that's jump the fence now

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Speaker 2: We'd come up on the property four or five dogs

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Speaker 1: Okay, so who got suited?

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Speaker 1: They were taken to jail for manslaughter. Yes, are you

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Speaker 2: This is a.

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Speaker 2: Now. I think eventually the charges were reduced, but they

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Speaker 1: Wi is why does that the city bear some responsibility

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Speaker 2: Yep? And there I just don't know enough about, you know,

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Speaker 2: don't understand how it hasn't happened. But it's the number

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Speaker 2: these males get very aggressive. They may not be aggressive dogs,

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Speaker 2: With a pack of dogs, I'm not going up to

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Speaker 1: And meanwhile, somebody lost their time.

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Speaker 2: At yes, yeah, that was a different property. They had

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Speaker 1: And so when you hear these stories and you hear

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Speaker 1: It's actually much much, much much.

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Speaker 2: Deeper, deeper than that. Yeah, it really is. We've you know,

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Speaker 2: We've tried to you know, bring the attention, and you know,

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Speaker 2: they still continue the same, you know policy just limiting

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Speaker 1: I Meanwhile, you're still got a group of bloody do

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Speaker 1: cost about one hundred and thirty hundred and forty bucks piece.

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Speaker 1: Dog Food's not not cheese cheap.

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Speaker 2: No, the this span neuter is not. You know, while

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Speaker 2: we provide it free, it's not provided to us free.

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Speaker 1: It's just like Hollywood Feed or anybody give you a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we honestly neither broken bags and things like that.

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Speaker 2: You know a lot of the rescues, yeah do yeah,

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Speaker 1: That's still a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well they don't always have it, so we

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Speaker 2: we do have to buy it on occasion.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, where does all that money come from?

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Speaker 2: Like I said, we do most of our fundraising through

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Speaker 2: pit Stop they're somewhat that's that's our spaan neoter program.

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Speaker 2: So we how I initially real names.

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Speaker 1: You really are, well one of our When you said

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Speaker 1: another name you came up with. It was school, but pitt.

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Speaker 2: So we initially started just you know, I'd set up

437
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: partnerships with various veterinarians around the city just to at

438
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 2: least get one or two appointments, so we do that

439
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: throughout the week, but we have partnered with a few

440
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 2: veterinarians to do pit stops, so we do a clinic

441
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: once a month to do a larger volume at one time.

442
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: And so we've just really started those clinics, doing about

443
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: twenty dogs initially and the goal is to get to

444
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: about fifty dogs at least for those clinics. But yeah,

445
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: it's still not free. I mean we pay the veterinarians

446
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: and the you know, vetex and supplies and whatnot, but

447
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: all of our resources we provide for free. Two pet owners.

448
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. How did I mean fifteen years ago,

449
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: which you've ever thought?

450
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean you know, of course I didn't

451
00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 2: realize the need, just how many are on chains and backyards,

452
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: and and just how desperate the situations. I really had

453
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: no idea are underserved areas you know, had so many

454
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: issues and the dogs just fall prey to you know,

455
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: the poverty and the lack of education, especially you know

456
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: when it comes to owning a pet. What's next, Well,

457
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: you know, constantly working to grow our outreach. We do

458
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 2: large vaccine clinics with the Health Department, So we partner

459
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: with them so that we can reach more get the

460
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: word out about the space our span neuter and we're

461
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: actually looking down to for a facility. We have warehouse space,

462
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: but we're looking for a facility. No, no, I'm not

463
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: looking to house any dogs that We want to be

464
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: able to operate our pit stop clinic and do that,

465
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: you know, on a larger scale, and eventually have neighborhood

466
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: centers in the underserved areas to not only provide the

467
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: resources in the neighborhoods, but employee some of you know,

468
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: like I said, we bring in, you know, some young

469
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: men that and do really good with dogs, and and

470
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: I think we can reach more people, especially the children.

471
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: One of the main things I want to do is

472
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: provide free training for their pets. And the requirement will

473
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: be that it needs to be a child with their dog.

474
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't elementary schools love you coming in with a

475
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 1: little puppy the second and third graders and teaching them

476
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 1: about the dogs.

477
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: We actually go to a school tomorrow, you do that? Yeah, yeah,

478
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: so we don't. We were looking to grow that but

479
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: uh yeah, so we're going into.

480
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: The volunteers are working with you.

481
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: We probably have about twenty five volunteers.

482
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: Well, you could certainly use a home.

483
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: Gosh, oh absolutely, yeah.

484
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: So anybody listen to us in Memphis loves pets and

485
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: hart for all of these systematic issues.

486
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it's and the volunteers will tell you once

487
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: you go out, it's it's hard to stop. I mean

488
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: it's you do get drawn in, and you know, they

489
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: constantly if they can't continue to go. We have people

490
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: come from out of town to come go out with

491
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: us in the streets. I have a family that comes

492
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: in from Rhode Island yearly. This is their family vacation.

493
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: They come in to spend a week with us in

494
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: the field.

495
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Well, somebody from Rhode Island can

496
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: come help in Memphis. What's Claudia does get out there?

497
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's come out. Yeah. Now, I'll say that some

498
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: people have a hard time. I've had people come out

499
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: that they just cry the whole time. You just they

500
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: can't handle these dogs.

501
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: They cry.

502
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: So they help in other ways, you know. But it

503
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: is a requirement of mind. If you're going to volunteer

504
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: with us, you have to go at least one time

505
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: with me in the field so that you know what

506
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: you're working toward.

507
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: You're really passionate about them.

508
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, you.

509
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: Know, Alex fill verify that one of I have a

510
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: lot of little riffs. You know. One of them is

511
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: most thanks. I really appreciate it. No, actually believe that.

512
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: I don't believe that a producer, it could make it

513
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: sound better, but whatever. But one of them is this,

514
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: I believe amazing legacy events happen when somebody's passion and

515
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: discipline and by discipline, I don't mean doing things right,

516
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: I mean their abilities. When somebody's passionate and discipline intersect

517
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: with opportunity. And I think that's exactly what happened to

518
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: you fifteen years ago when when your friend called you

519
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: and you rolled up and these little kids rolled out

520
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: of the house and went two doors down. You were

521
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: passionate about dogs, you had the ability to help, and

522
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: you saw an opportunity.

523
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean there's no question that was a

524
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: monumental moment in my life standing in that backyard and

525
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: I never stopped after that, and doing this work in

526
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: these areas has completely changed me as a person, my

527
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: outlook on everything. So it just you know, you see

528
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: so many wonderful people, but they don't have the resources

529
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: and they're happy and still you know, trying to make

530
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: ends meet every single day. And if you can, you know,

531
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: even if it's just a matter of helping them with

532
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: an AC unit for their house, and that makes their day.

533
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: I mean, you just build on that and try to

534
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: make a difference, just even for you know, a family

535
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: given out. You know, we provide the kids with books

536
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: and things like that, and you just watch the kids

537
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: light up that you just cared enough to give them,

538
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: you know too. I mean, and I've been feeding a

539
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: dog on the side of the road and look up

540
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: and watch a kid that's in a car just staring

541
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: out the window watching me feed that dog, Like what

542
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: is she doing? And I can see the connection the.

543
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought about this, but I'm gonna ahead and

544
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: say it. Prior to my time of Manassas, I would

545
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: have told you that this is the freest country in

546
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: the world with the free education system. I didn't come

547
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: from much of nothing, and if you just are willing

548
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: to work hard and put yourself up by your bootstraps

549
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: and dig in, everything will work out. But the zip

550
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: code at the time of my birth was not New Chicago.

551
00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: It was East Memphis, right, And I have learned and

552
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: developed what I think I'm talking about myself a little bit.

553
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: Here is depth of understanding that the vast majority of

554
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: my peers, even when they are inspired by the stories

555
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: they hear because they have been willing to get off

556
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: their asses and go into these areas, really do not.

557
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: Understand, do you. Absolutely?

558
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: Because what you just said to me, you bring true

559
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: to me.

560
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: Speak to it. Well, I mean, you know, most of

561
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,959
Speaker 2: our peers don't even drive through these areas, much less

562
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: get out in the backyard. So without standing in that backyard,

563
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: you really don't get it.

564
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: And well, but they explain it to us on Fox News.

565
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well a picture, even our pictures. You think you

566
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: get it, don't You can ask Claudia. You don't get

567
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: it until you're out there.

568
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: The thing you said, that's striking, and I agree with

569
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: it one hundred percent. These are wonderful people who are

570
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: trying to be happy, who do genuinely care about their children,

571
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: about their neighborhood, and about their pets. Yes, but when

572
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: it's between that last three bucks on the twenty eighth

573
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: of the month, buying enough macaroni to feed everybody in

574
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: the house versus buying some dog food right, What do

575
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: you do going.

576
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: Out right when well, I mean, we encounter somebody that

577
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 2: their lights are out, they're living literally with no utilities

578
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: and have a dog in the backyard.

579
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: And people will say, well, why'd they buy the damn

580
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: dog in the first place.

581
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 2: I can tell you they didn't buy it. Neighborhood passed

582
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: it out from that litter over there down the street,

583
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: and they were kind enough to take it in, to

584
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: take it in to try.

585
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: And here we are, and there's just so much preconceived

586
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: notion that is just wrong, and some misconceptions about the

587
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: vast majority of people in these neighborhoods.

588
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: And that's so and again, like I said, it changed

589
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: me as a person, and it's easy to make by

590
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: that tell me just you know, I didn't know either.

591
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: I didn't. I had no idea that people, you know,

592
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 2: lived in a duplex with twelve family. It was just

593
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: inconceivable to me that we're in the USA, in you know,

594
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five and people are still having to live

595
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: in these conditions that you know, the the roof is

596
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: falling in and a landlord's getting away with it. I mean,

597
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: it's how is this even possible that we have katrillionaires

598
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: in this country and we have people that still live

599
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: in some of these conditions in Memphis.

600
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: How no idea this is not just moving.

601
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I know that.

602
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: But I mean take the top one fifty cities in

603
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: this country.

604
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: It's in all of it is it is, and it's

605
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: but for me personally, I had no idea this happened

606
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 2: in Memphis. And when I to this day, I might

607
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: be working in a backyard, and I mean it happens

608
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 2: to me probably multiple times a day. I just look

609
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: up and thank you God. I love I love what

610
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm doing. I love to interact and help these people

611
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: have the resource. They're so appreciative. I mean, it is

612
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: the majority of the people that I work with, and

613
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: I love it. I love to in some way help

614
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: and help them provide better care for their pets, but

615
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 2: make life a little easier for them in some way.

616
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely beautiful if somebody wants to support you

617
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: financially or get off their butts and come help you,

618
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: because there's plenty of people could do it on the

619
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: weekends or an evening or whatever. How did they find

620
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: Susie Well?

621
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: Our website is all fours Rescue dot.

622
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: Com that is at all with a four Yeah.

623
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: A l L number four S rescue dot com. Okay,

624
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: our email is all fours rescue at yahoo dot com and.

625
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: That comes right to you.

626
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: Correct.

627
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: Good. So people can call you. People, you can email

628
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: you and get your number, call you, talk to you whatever.

629
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: Can they donate on that website? Yes, yes they can, Susie.

630
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: Awareness is part of it. So it's, you know, just

631
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: getting the word out with you guys that the issues

632
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 2: exist not only here but in Memphis and what these

633
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 2: areas are facing and and bringing the awareness not only

634
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: to the dogs, but these the underserved areas.

635
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: You are You are inspirational and it is cool. And

636
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: when I first heard from Alex that we were going

637
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: to be talking to a woman about doghouses, I thought,

638
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: how deep is that gonna get? It turns out pretty deep.

639
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: You should come out sometimes.

640
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: You know what I'm going to tell Lisa about you.

641
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: Lisa would be a dog advocate in the biggest way.

642
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: If she's yeah, I would love to do that.

643
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, she should come out. It's it does mean, it's yeah,

644
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: there's it's it's life.

645
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: Altering till Claude to call Lisa out.

646
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, she'll do it. I mean Claudia loved it. She did.

647
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 2: She jumped right in, you know, she rode along one

648
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: time and that was it. She was in.

649
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: Claudia said, I don't know how to describe her other

650
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: than a bad a woman dedicated to her cause. I

651
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: went out with her one day and it was scared

652
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: less a few times.

653
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: It's probably a good thing and a bad thing, but

654
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: I don't get scared easily.

655
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: So Susie thinks your story. Thanks for the work you

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Speaker 1: do and thanks for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for having me honored.

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Speaker 1: And thank you for joining us this week. If Susie

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