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Speaker 1: noon Eastern without further ado, here's this week's.

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Speaker 2: Episode, Welcome In. Welcome in David Kitchen alongside JJ. Zacharieson JJ,

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Speaker 2: as you know, is the CEO of the company. Some

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Speaker 2: that say that I'm the COO of the company. We're

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Speaker 2: just going to guide you through some running back stuff

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Speaker 2: this episode. JJ.

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Speaker 1: I'm already like I'm scared for what's to come, because

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Speaker 1: someone in chat right now says, lucky for me, year

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Speaker 1: one and year two running backs is Mike Kink. That's

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Speaker 1: that's where the direction. Not only that, it looks like you,

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Speaker 1: at least in the intrroan, it's gotten a little bit lighter.

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Speaker 2: But it looks like I raised the.

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Speaker 1: You look like you're about to be in like a

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Speaker 1: you know that like thunderstorm setting where like, yeah, look

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Speaker 1: the storm is and like the house gets darker, but

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Speaker 1: it's mid afternoon. That's kind of what the vibe is

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Speaker 1: and right now just it just it feels like that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's it's definitely it's like that Seattle weather

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Speaker 2: right now where it's just misty rain, but it's dark.

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Speaker 1: That's not coming from me tomorrow. I'm trying to I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to have a good birthday tomorrow with the sun.

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Speaker 2: You know, JJ, is it your birthday tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: It is my birthday tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, yeah, wow forty.

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Speaker 1: The big Yeah. Yeah, not quite, buddy, not quite. You

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Speaker 1: know when this goes out, it will be going out

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Speaker 1: on in the podcast feed. Yeah, on the birthday. Yes, tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: February nineteenth is my birthday.

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Speaker 2: You've got one year, buddy, Now you got one year.

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Speaker 1: I got too.

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Speaker 2: I thought you'll be thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be thirty eight.

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, why am I trying to aid you? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Let me be okay, this is still upper thirties. Thirty

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Speaker 1: seven was a very uneventful birth year in terms of

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Speaker 1: just like feeling older. Thirty eight's exact same way. It's

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Speaker 1: like you're not quite thirty nine. Then you start to

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Speaker 1: And then obviously you know forty hits.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked to someone who had just turned forty

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, though, I don't feel like to

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Speaker 1: be fair, you know, you're the way that you view

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Speaker 1: ages you get older, just changes and shifts all the time,

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Speaker 1: right Like you ask anyone who's four years old and

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Speaker 1: you say I'm thirty eight, and they say, you're really

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Speaker 1: the Greek yogurt I am, But yes, I have to

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Speaker 2: You know you're getting ready for your combine. You're you

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Speaker 1: My My combine is how many nights can I write

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Speaker 1: these prospect profiles? Yea in a row without you know,

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Prospect profiles, we do have the Prospect Guide

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Speaker 2: Guide headlightround dot com. And then as soon as that

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Speaker 2: puppy is launched, you get an email.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you will. And in early April, I'm taking a

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Speaker 2: There you go, and so you will get an email

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Speaker 2: Surprise, surprise, Tyler said. Some might say it's the best

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Speaker 2: rookie guide on the market. Thanks buddy, And he said,

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Speaker 2: I can't wait for the Year two scores and breakdowns.

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Speaker 2: Insanely useful for early drafting and north Star all draft

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Speaker 2: and offseason.

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Speaker 1: We'll be talking some year two stuff here in a second.

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Speaker 2: Yes we will. All right with that being said, JJ,

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Speaker 1: News, today's fantasy news.

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Speaker 2: All right, not a ton of stuff to talk about.

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Speaker 2: This is like the slow season where you just have

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Speaker 2: We need to save the day because we have some

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Speaker 2: important dates coming up twenty seventh and twenty eighth of February.

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Speaker 1: You know what that is, JJ probably combine related.

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Speaker 2: our senior analysts found this for us. So this is

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Speaker 2: the combine schedule. And you can see tight ends start

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Speaker 2: So by March first JJ, we will know hand sizes.

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Speaker 2: Every chapter in life has taught me something. This one

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm buying. I'm in.

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Speaker 1: of the breakout. So there's like from like a fantasy perspective.

434
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Speaker 1: There's some there's some juice and some fun to it.

435
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Speaker 1: And obviously Kyler, you know, uh, and I still think

436
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Speaker 1: I still think Kyler's under underrated. But well, we'll save

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Speaker 1: that for another day. Wow, yeah, we'll save that for another.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a spy. It's a little spicy take. And

439
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Speaker 2: we have to uh, we have to get on to

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Speaker 2: more of the running Backs JJ.

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Speaker 1: Today's data all right, yeah, uh, this is just an

442
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Speaker 1: extension from the show that you guys hopefully listened to

443
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Speaker 1: that dropped on Tuesday, of the running Backs who produced

444
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Speaker 1: like studs in college. Now the I've gotten questions about this.

445
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Speaker 1: Actually I got one on Patreon this week for the mailbag.

446
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Speaker 1: Then I'm not going to get to on the mail bag,

447
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Speaker 1: but I did talk about it on Patreon with the

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Speaker 1: person who asked it.

449
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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: They were asking about you know, last year, I changed

451
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Speaker 1: the model up a lot at Running Back to only

452
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Speaker 1: feature receiving metrics, and they're like, you know, how do

453
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Speaker 1: you think it went, and blah blah blah blah blah.

454
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Speaker 1: I think it was fine and good. I still am

455
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Speaker 1: very very hopefully I was clear on the show and

456
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Speaker 1: I still strongly believe that things like draft capital are

457
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Speaker 1: capturing rushing production pretty well already. And if draft capital

458
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Speaker 1: is in the model, you know, my whole philosophy with

459
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Speaker 1: this modeling stuff is that I'm trying to find when

460
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Speaker 1: we should deviate from draft capital. And one way of

461
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Speaker 1: doing that is to think about what are the things

462
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Speaker 1: that draft capital and teams aren't necessarily valuing as much

463
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Speaker 1: from a fantasy perspective. And they might not be valuing

464
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Speaker 1: receiving enough in general, but receiving matters in fantasy because

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Speaker 1: of PPR formats and such, right, So it's also a

466
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Speaker 1: way to just differentiate one running back from another. Now

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Speaker 1: that being said, I did add more of a safeguard

468
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Speaker 1: metric this year in adjusted yards per team pass attempt

469
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Speaker 1: a right, sorry, adjusted yards per team play. This just

470
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Speaker 1: takes total yards divides it by plays. If you guys

471
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Speaker 1: listen to that episode you heard all of that, there's

472
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Speaker 1: some predictiveness to it because this is adjusting for age,

473
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Speaker 1: so the age in which these players hit this mark.

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Speaker 1: It's like a multiplier. And then there's another multiplier that

475
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Speaker 1: looks at program strength, right, and that's based on strength

476
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Speaker 1: of schedule from College Football Reference and so you know,

477
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Speaker 1: if a guy has a two point one total yards

478
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Speaker 1: per team play rate, but he did it at nineteen

479
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Speaker 1: years old and then he played at Alabama, who would

480
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Speaker 1: likely have a strong strength of schedule, that two point

481
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Speaker 1: one might look more like two point four in this metric. Right,

482
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Speaker 1: So what I have here is the top season for

483
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Speaker 1: each running back that's going to the Combine this year,

484
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Speaker 1: and Emmitt Johnson is the one who ranks top at

485
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Speaker 1: two point five to four in total yards per team play,

486
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Speaker 1: which is why the model likes him and why I

487
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Speaker 1: talked about him having a pretty complete production profile overall,

488
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Speaker 1: because again this is looking at receiving stuff. Now, yards

489
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Speaker 1: per team play is obviously total yards, so you're looking

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Speaker 1: at rushing and receiving, but receiving can still play a

491
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Speaker 1: decent role within this metric. So Jeremiah Love Number two,

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Speaker 1: Desmond Reid does reed pit small pick guy. He's more

493
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Speaker 1: of a scat back, you know, like a like a

494
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Speaker 1: change of pace like Gadget. I'm not highlighting him because

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Speaker 1: the other guys who are highlighted or are guys who

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Speaker 1: have interesting projected draft capital. Gotcha, Dez read You know,

497
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Speaker 1: every once in a while you're gonna get players who look

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Speaker 1: good from a production standpoint, but won't have the draft

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Speaker 1: capital associated because of other reasons. You know. With des Reed,

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Speaker 1: it's it's the fact that he's a pretty small back.

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Speaker 1: He's like a gadget, you know, Dimitric Felton type player,

502
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Speaker 1: and so you know, you can't you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to say that he's like the third best with

504
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Speaker 1: it because it's it's you know, skewed with his side. Remember,

505
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Speaker 1: I remember Donnel Pumphrey out of San Diego State is

506
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Speaker 1: just off the top of my head, who's a really

507
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Speaker 1: small running back but had like a two thousand yard season.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: But what the model does is it recognizes, oh, you're small.

510
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Speaker 1: Oh your draft capital isn't good. Okay, you're probably not

511
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Speaker 1: going to be that strong of a running back, but

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Speaker 1: if you if you look. The reason I highlighted this

513
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Speaker 1: is because most of the guys who are good within

514
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Speaker 1: this metric are also projected to have the better draft

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Speaker 1: capital within this class in general. The guys who are

516
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Speaker 1: kind of interesting on the other side of this list,

517
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Speaker 1: or Seth mcgallan and Adam Randall, I don't think either

518
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Speaker 1: of those guys are gonna be close to day two picks.

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Speaker 1: You know, I actually wrote both of them up already

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Speaker 1: in the Prospect Guide. Uh, and so I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm only highlighting them because of the other guys. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're they're kind of getting some love from people, whether

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Speaker 1: within the fantasy space or within the the the prospect

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Speaker 1: and space in general. You know, I did demon Claiborne.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's kind of in the middle here. He's

527
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Speaker 1: kind of like a quick, fast, high acceleration receiving back

528
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Speaker 1: that is maybe a little undersize. I'm very interested to

529
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Speaker 1: see where he lands at the combine from a size perspective.

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Speaker 1: But look, Jodah Coleman, who looks good analytically. Nick Singleton,

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Speaker 1: who the the Prospect model, really likes Nick Singleton. I

532
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Speaker 1: mean k Tron Allen, who's his teammate in college, was

533
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Speaker 1: more of that thunder to Nick Singleton being the lightning.

534
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Speaker 1: And yes, there is a little bit of a bias

535
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Speaker 1: in my opinion with model and with my own evaluation

536
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Speaker 1: of kind of going after the lightning in those kind

537
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Speaker 1: of situations because they're more dynamic, you get big plays,

538
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Speaker 1: and that's what matters and fantasy football oftentimes. But Nick

539
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Speaker 1: Singleton broke his foot at the Senior Bowl. He was

540
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Speaker 1: a Penn State guy. If you guys watched any Penn

541
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Speaker 1: State football, you saw Nick Singleton with like highlight plays

542
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Speaker 1: over the last four years. But Singleton broke his foot

543
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Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, and so I'm curious to see

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Speaker 1: what his draft capital is now going to look like

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Speaker 1: because of that. But on paper, like if you were

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Speaker 1: to run the forty, and he had some projected forty

547
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Speaker 1: times for Nick Singleton were like absurd. I'm talking like

548
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Speaker 1: low four fours, even breaking four four in some places,

549
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Speaker 1: and he's like not small, and so that combination would

550
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Speaker 1: have given him a crazy speed score. And he also

551
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Speaker 1: has a really good receiving profile because he was the

552
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Speaker 1: lightning to that backfield, so he was getting more of

553
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Speaker 1: those looks through the air. K Tron Allen is more

554
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Speaker 1: like I don't know, Damien Harris if you will, or

555
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Speaker 1: something like that. You know more of that like stable,

556
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Speaker 1: early down kind of back And so Singleton's a really

557
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Speaker 1: really interesting prospect to me. I think there might be

558
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Speaker 1: some value to be had as long as that foot's okay.

559
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Speaker 1: But like I said, overall, I think this class is

560
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Speaker 1: not that bad. And if you look at their are

561
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Speaker 1: justice yards per team play numbers, which again that you

562
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Speaker 1: don't have that much context for what these numbers mean, right,

563
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Speaker 1: But you know, overall it's not these numbers aren't that

564
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Speaker 1: bad for the entirety of the class.

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Speaker 2: Jim Miller is an interesting one because he's not a

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Speaker 2: small guy. Dude is Beefy, the running back from Alabama,

567
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Speaker 2: and he was hurt a lot of his senior year.

568
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't. I haven't written his profile yet, so

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Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, comment on how where

570
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Speaker 1: I stand with him, but I would imagine, you know,

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Speaker 1: if he's as low as he is. You know, Jenerium Price,

572
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Speaker 1: I didn't highlight here because I've talked about him enough. Yeah,

573
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Speaker 1: split a backfield like you're not gonna see great production

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Speaker 1: from him. But one of the very interesting things I

575
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Speaker 1: will say this with Jenerium Price, one of the really

576
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Speaker 1: interesting things with running backs who have you know, good

577
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Speaker 1: teammates is that if they do get Day two capital,

578
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Speaker 1: and they had good teammates, whether going in Day two

579
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Speaker 1: or day one. Now if they will go day if

580
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Speaker 1: they go on round one, then they're gonna get an

581
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Speaker 1: even bigger boost, which I don't even know if we

582
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Speaker 1: have an example of that where we had a Day

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Speaker 1: two back with a Day one teammate that same year. Now,

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Speaker 1: what we did have was Dereck Henry in you know,

585
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Speaker 1: however many years ago, having teammates going in the draft

586
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Speaker 1: like before and after him, you know, because Alabama was

587
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Speaker 1: just churning out all of these running backs around that time,

588
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Speaker 1: right where you were just seeing you know, mark ingram

589
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Speaker 1: and seeing like really good running backs coming out over

590
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Speaker 1: you know, year in and year out. And so Henry

591
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Speaker 1: actually in teammates score got a boost in the model,

592
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Speaker 1: and that was after kind of messing with teammates score

593
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Speaker 1: a little bit more, you know, this this offseason. So

594
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Speaker 1: Henry got a little bit of a boost. But there

595
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Speaker 1: there aren't many players. What I'm getting at is there

596
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Speaker 1: aren't many Day two running backs who have unbelievable teammate

597
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Speaker 1: scores in general. But the ones who do and had

598
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Speaker 1: sort of like compressed production profiles as a result of that,

599
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Speaker 1: they're not like horrific players. And it's there. It's not

600
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Speaker 1: a bad group for Jenerium Price to be. Part of

601
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Speaker 1: the difference is that, like Derrick, Henry didn't do much

602
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Speaker 1: through the air, but he got a lot done on

603
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Speaker 1: the ground, so his totally ars per team play was great. Right,

604
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Speaker 1: And Deontay Foreman is another one in this and who

605
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Speaker 1: who had a really low he didn't have. I don't

606
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: think his teammates scorer was out of control, but he

607
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: was one of those guys who had a really low

608
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Speaker 1: reception share. But he was prolific on the ground, so

609
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Speaker 1: he was able to do a lot in the total

610
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Speaker 1: arts per team play, which is why I think that

611
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Speaker 1: metric being back in the model is helpful for the

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Speaker 1: balance of those kinds of archetypes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was looking up if I could see a

614
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Speaker 2: day two, day one versus Day two pick.

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Speaker 1: The most recent example of what Jenerarium Price kind of

616
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Speaker 1: is is Rochean Johnson right with with Bijon with them

617
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Speaker 1: being in the same class. But Roean Johnson wasn't looked

618
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Speaker 1: at this. He's a Day three pick. You know, this

619
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Speaker 1: isn't the same thing. I like, Price has traits that

620
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Speaker 1: Rochean Johnson did not have, and so he's likely going

621
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Speaker 1: to see way better draft capital. And that's where the

622
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Speaker 1: difference from a modeling perspective exists. Now, from a zapp

623
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Speaker 1: score standpoint, I can tell you confidently that with the

624
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Speaker 1: updated teammate score and the way that I've kind of

625
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Speaker 1: like looked at this and takeing U step because teammate

626
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: score I'm gonna be talking about on the mailbag this week. Yeah,

627
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Speaker 1: it's a really tough metric to nail down and figure

628
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Speaker 1: like it's it's really you know, there's some subjectivity to it.

629
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Speaker 1: It's just difficult. But with the teammate score, generium price

630
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Speaker 1: is is kind of bucketed with EMMTT Johnson and Joonah

631
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Speaker 1: Coleman in the in the model at this point, so

632
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Speaker 1: those are kind of like the to me, those are

633
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Speaker 1: like the consideration set for the RB two in this

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Speaker 1: class behind jereedmile Love.

635
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Speaker 2: It's funny because we just got an email four minutes

636
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Speaker 2: ago from someone and the title is Notre Dame twenty

637
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Speaker 2: twenty six running Backs versus Ohio State twenty twenty five

638
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Speaker 2: running Backs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's long.

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty long email a listener that's trying to

641
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Speaker 2: from someone who's a data analyst. Yeah.

642
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I mean, like I again, traveon Quinn

643
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Speaker 1: Chun Judkins got boosted in the model for teammate score.

644
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: That the problem with teammate score again, I'm gonna be

645
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: talking about this on the mailbag in more detail. The

646
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Speaker 1: problem with teammate score is that's very difficult to project

647
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Speaker 1: future like underclassmen. For instance, Carnel Tait right playing at

648
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: Ohio State. You're not getting Jeremiah Smith in the teammate

649
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: score because we don't know where he's going to be.

650
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: Now we can sit here and say, oh, we know

651
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: he's going to be a stud, right, but we do

652
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: kind of know that though, yeah, right, but you can

653
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 1: you can make that, you can you can do that

654
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: more subjectively in the profile right up in stead as

655
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: opposed to changing the entirety of a model with you know,

656
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: hundreds of wide receivers, because at some point you're gonna say, okay,

657
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: am I now evaluating next year's class and saying this

658
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: guy's good, this guy's not. There's just a lot that

659
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: would go into that and a lot of problems you know,

660
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: that can arise from doing that. And so that is

661
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: the downside of teammate score. Now, the way the teammate

662
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: score is factored right now, it gets signal I know

663
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: that it's predicted like it helps the model. It's not

664
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: like standalone predictive, but it does help the model, and

665
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: so if it helps the model, i'm gonna I'm gonna

666
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: use it. But it's not perfect. It's a far from

667
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: perfect metric.

668
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: Just ball with Jay, say what's up, guys, And I

669
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: just want to say what's up Jamie. If you're not familiar,

670
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: go follow just Ballin' with Jade no I in there.

671
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: Just if you're listening on audio. It's just ball the

672
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: letter in with Jay. He's got some awesome artwork. We

673
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: met him at the Expo last year. I got the

674
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: artwork I'm in right, Yeah, I know I do too.

675
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 2: On this leapt I got the King Henry and I

676
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: bought a shirt with that.

677
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is the three guys that I

678
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: that I bought the stickers that I bought were Devon Chan, Chrysal.

679
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: This is the beginning of the season. This is in August, right,

680
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: Devon Chan, Travis Hunter, and Chris Lave. I drafted all

681
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: three of them in my home league, and then I

682
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: won my home league. So I'm buying more stickers this year,

683
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying.

684
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: I forgot to put the Travis Hunter blurb on the news,

685
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: but I definitely thought about it.

686
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll be able to get didn't we talk

687
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: about already?

688
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: What's that?

689
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: Maybe we didn't talk about it. The weird thing.

690
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: I don't think we've talked a little bit about how

691
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: he might be used with that Jacksonville offense. But next week, oh.

692
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: I did on the Mailbag, that's what it was, or

693
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: on the Cell.

694
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: Candidates and next right, yeah, definitely.

695
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: Well the weird thing. The weird thing is that this

696
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: report comes out about him playing corner when we had

697
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: the exact same report two weeks prior, because I used

698
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: that report in the Cell Candidates episode. So it's just

699
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: weird how like one got traction and the other one didn't,

700
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: and if you were ahead, you were able to sell them. Yeah,

701
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: sell them at a better price, all right.

702
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: I do as someone who listens to your podcast like

703
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: this Cell and the by Can its early. As someone

704
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: I feel like it's almost like insider trading. If I

705
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 2: make a move before it comes out.

706
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not moving markets over here, buddy, Yeah

707
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: for me, you are, so I just you know, I

708
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: want to.

709
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: I want everyone else to have the same access to

710
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: information that I have before moves are made. So but

711
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: next week we'll be talking about year two receivers.

712
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about Travis Hunter next week.

713
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we can. We can talk about it then,

714
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: no worries. All right. With that being said, let's get

715
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: on to the main event.

716
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: It's the late round main event.

717
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: All right.

718
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: JJ.

719
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: We have year two running back journey comps, and you

720
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: need to kind of to clarify something before we start

721
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 2: on this.

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00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: I need to explain this, Okay. These comps are not

723
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,959
Speaker 1: stylistic comps. They're not this guy is this weight, this height,

724
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: This is what he looks like, this is how he plays.

725
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: These comps are based strictly on a player's Zapp score

726
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: entering the league, so his prospect score and then his

727
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: year two score. Because I have a year two model

728
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: that looks at how a player performed as a rookie

729
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: in the NFL. It combines that with the player's prospect

730
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: score because you're gonna get some funky stuff that happens

731
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: in year one, and it projects how well that player

732
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: is going to do in years two through four. I

733
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: was doing year two and three before I switched that

734
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: this year to years two through four to get a

735
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: little bit more stability within that model now. And it

736
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: also it makes sense to do through four years because

737
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: it's their rookie deal typically.

738
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Speaker 2: And so.

739
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: The one thing I'll say with running back, it's easier

740
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: to model than wide receiver. And I say that, or

741
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: it's easier to differentiate from modeling perspective. When I go

742
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: and I model you know, prospects or year two guys,

743
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: I am trying to beat something you know in terms

744
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: of the predictability and the predictiveness of that model. At

745
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: when it comes to the zapped model stuff, I'm trying

746
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: to be better than draft capital. So where these guys

747
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: get drafted by NFL teams, Okay, check mark success. That's

748
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: that's done, and I can test it and I can

749
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: show people that it is more predictive, uh than what

750
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: draft capital says. When it comes to the year two stuff,

751
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: I am attempting to be more predictive than year one

752
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: PPR points per game and that looks at how well

753
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: they perform then in years two, three, and four. And

754
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: that's the way I measure year two through four is

755
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: the same way I measure year one to three with

756
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: the Zapp model, which is best two seasons average out

757
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: of those three years. Right, So it's B two s

758
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: as I've called it, so I'm measuring against that. Running

759
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: back is easier because if you look at year one

760
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: PPR points per game and you correlate that to B

761
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: two s and years two through four, the R squared

762
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: is actually stronger for a players zapp score than it

763
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: is his year one PPR points per game, which is

764
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: kind of crazy to think about.

765
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: Right, getting so so nerdy, right now? What that?

766
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: What that? What I'm saying there is that that you

767
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: could you could say that there is more predictiveness, or

768
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: at least it explained that his player zapp score explains

769
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: his year two through four production better than his year

770
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: one PPR points per game, and it matters more running back,

771
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: that's not the case a wide receiver. Wide receiver's harder

772
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: to model, it's harder to prospect. There's a lot more

773
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: nuanced to it. Running back is relatively straightforward, and a

774
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: lot of the reason for that is because we get

775
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: these random day three running backs who you know, Damian Pierce,

776
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: who just pop up and they have these good what

777
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: he marks might be that guy who pop up and

778
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: they have these productive year ones and then they kind

779
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: of fall off because the team's like, oh, you're actually

780
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: not someone that we can rely on at the position,

781
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna draft someone else. And when we

782
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: draft someone else, we plug them into the backfield. You're

783
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: not getting any touches anymore, whereas at wide receiver, you

784
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: could draft another wide receiver and that wide receiver still

785
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: gets some work. So the predictiveness just changes, the equation changes.

786
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: The year two model at running back is so much

787
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: more predictive than year one PPR points per game, Like

788
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: the delta between the model and year one PPR points

789
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: per game at running back is so much greater than

790
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: is a wide receiver. So I actually feel better about,

791
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, how people might be viewing the running backs

792
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: versus what the year two models saying at running back

793
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: than I would at wide receivers. That's the caveat. Now

794
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do today is look at what I

795
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: call journey comparables, which again are players who entered the

796
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: NFL with a certain ZAP score and then they have

797
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: a year two score of some sort, and they're players

798
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: that similar that share similar ZAPP to year two scores

799
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: in that journey, right, and then there's a similarity score

800
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: that gets spit out that says this is as you know,

801
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: it's ninety nine point. You know this similar to this

802
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: guy or the similar this guy. And so what I'm

803
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: gonna do on today's show. In the guide, you're gonna

804
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: get the top three journey comps for for every relevant

805
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: running back and wide receiver in the Year two models,

806
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: so everyone through the flex play category. But today I

807
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: looked at all of the comps that pop up whenever,

808
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, I type in the player's name, and so

809
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, I can get tens of them if I

810
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: want to, And I picked out sort of like the

811
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: low outcome for a player based in those comps, the

812
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: median outcome based on those comps that are spit out.

813
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: This is just a fun exercise, and the high outcome

814
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: for those players. Let's start with Ashton gent who And

815
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: this is in no particular.

816
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: Order because that's why I wanted to really clarify, no

817
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: particular order. If you want the actual Zappa and Year

818
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: two scores, it's in the Draft Guide or Prospect Guide rather.

819
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so this is in no particular

820
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: order because I don't want to give that order away

821
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: because you can get the scores in the Prospect yet.

822
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: All right, So Ashton we'll start there, Gentle. This is

823
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: gonna be controversial, but Genti's I'm just gonna say his

824
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: app score was one hundred. Okay, the scaling of the

825
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: scores a little bit different than it was before. We

826
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: have multiple players with a score of one hundred in

827
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: the Zapp model now at running back, which is Christian

828
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: McCaffrey and Jamier Gibbs and Nash and gent his year

829
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: two score is ninety nine point six. So it's still

830
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: very very good, and people are gonna say, how is

831
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: that possible? He really underperformed in year one, But again,

832
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: the year two model will weigh that running back prospects

833
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: score really, really heavily. And then gent also had a

834
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: really good weighted opportunity per game, which is just a

835
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: formula within that year two model that I look at

836
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: targets and you know, rush attempts, et cetera. It was

837
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: top ten since twenty eleven. So as a result, his

838
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: low outcome I picked out as Leonard Fournette, which you

839
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: know has had his moments in the NFL.

840
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean he had some.

841
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: It's definitely the best low outcome that you're gonna find

842
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: on this list. Median outcome is Saquon Barkley high outcome

843
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: as Christian McCaffrey, which I don't know which one is

844
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: better or worse between us two, to be honest with you.

845
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: But this is all to say that Ashton Gent's comps

846
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: are like ridiculous. Yeah, I don't think that, Like the

847
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: model is not looking at team context and stuff, So

848
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: I don't think we can just assume that this happens.

849
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: But I would be shocked out of my freaking mind

850
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: if Ashton genty is not an RB one in one

851
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: of his next three seasons, I'd be shocked. Like I'm

852
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: talking like, you know, eighteen twenty PPR points per game.

853
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

854
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: No. I remember the.

855
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: Week sixteen game when I was battling for a top

856
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 2: spot in the in one of the best ball tournaments

857
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: and the other guy had Ashton Gent and.

858
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: He was just just dump off dump off after dump off.

859
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like Christian McCaffrey and Saquon Barkley if

860
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: they had a kid, you know, Like that's what he

861
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: was like that game. So this guy this also might

862
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: be a little interesting. We're talking about it's R. J.

863
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: Harvey. Look, I've voiced my concerns about Harvey where I

864
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: think mostly I'm voicing them because I think there's like

865
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: this Harvey hive who just absolutely love him, like they're

866
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: just obsessed with RJ. Harvey. I think he's good, but like,

867
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: can we just pump the brakes for a second. Like

868
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: last year he was forty six out of forty eight

869
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: qualified running backs and rushing yards overexpected per rush. He's

870
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: an explosive running back, but he's not super He was

871
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: not super consistent showing off that explosiveness. Last year. He

872
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: had a five point five percent ten plus yard carry

873
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: rate among all year two running backs in the year

874
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: two model who had one hundred and more carries. That

875
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: was sixth worst of gaining ten or more yards. But

876
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: he did have a good receiving profile, you know, ten

877
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: percent target share, which is good for rookie. All of that,

878
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: his low median in high comps okay A mir Abdullah

879
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: is his low one, which is a little bit scary.

880
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders is the median one, which you know, he

881
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: had some some productive seasons in fantasy, and then I

882
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: put David Montgomery as the as the high. Now, if

883
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: you look at the similarity scores here, am Abdullah is

884
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: actually more similar to r J. Harvey than Miles Sanders

885
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: and David Montgomery are, but both of them are, you know,

886
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: relatively strong from a similarity score to r. J. Harvey.

887
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: This just is what was playing into the cell r J.

888
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: Harvey recommendation that I had just versus the market. Yeah,

889
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: I think Harvey could be a guy that I'm into

890
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: and Redraft I just don't necessarily see the RB one ceiling.

891
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of touchdown regression that's going

892
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: to hit him this year too.

893
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: Bro Kyle Yeats and his prediction on the Tyler Aljeer, Yeah.

894
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, like the I think Denver is going to

895
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: add a running back, right, I there there were times

896
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: this past year where they just didn't seem confident enough

897
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: in Harvey to really carry that workload. Now, he was

898
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: a rookie and maybe that's part of it, but he's

899
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: also an old rookie.

900
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: He was over twenty four when they might add multiple

901
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: running backs, knowing how Sean Payton wor.

902
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: Right, I think there's I just think that there's a

903
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: lot of volatility here. I mean it could he could

904
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: run out out really well and just have you know,

905
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: a good runout and be a viable fantasy asset. But

906
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: I do think that logically a lot of the analytical

907
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: signs are pointing to him being good, not great.

908
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Harvey Hive, don't don't hurt us, Okay.

909
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 2: Third in the list, Trevon Henderson.

910
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, the more I've dug into Henderson's profile,

911
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: the more I'm semi regretting calling him a cell on

912
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: the cell can in his podcast in an episode, because

913
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: I know I do think that I like I have

914
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 1: James Cook ranked ahead of him.

915
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so this is the snip snap, snip snap

916
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 2: kind of thing.

917
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 1: From that perspective, yes, he's a cell. And the wide

918
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: receivers at that time when I was doing that show,

919
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: the wide receivers that were ranked ahead of him or

920
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: below him, rather, there were like five or six of

921
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: them that I have ranked ahead. So from that standpoint,

922
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: I think he's more of a cell than a bye.

923
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: If you look at his comps, his low comp we

924
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: have Jeremy Hill at ninety eight point one, me, Javonte

925
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: Williams in ninety eight high, Josh Jacobs. Again, these are

926
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: not stylistic comps, they're just how they were as prospects

927
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: how they look, you know, entering year two and kind

928
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: of going from there, he had the highest rate of

929
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: gaining twenty plus yards this past year in this class,

930
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: which is not surprising. There's only thirty three other running

931
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: backs though in the year two database who reached a

932
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: three percent rate of gaining twenty or more yards. That's

933
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: per rush of those with four years in the league,

934
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: So I'm looking only through twenty twenty two. They averaged

935
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: a best season in years two through four fourteen and

936
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: a half pper points per game, which that's the average, Like,

937
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 1: that's the median outcome of these like big play running backs.

938
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: Now that's gonna skew obviously towards player. You know, players

939
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: who make big plays are better running backs are guys

940
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: who would get drafted early. But like that's what Trevon

941
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: Henderson is. Like, he was a pretty good prospect, drafted early, explosive,

942
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: had his moments in fantasy football. The downside here just

943
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 1: continues to be Ramandre Stevenson. But I'm gonna I'm gonna

944
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: back off to take a little bit, okay, Like and

945
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: I hope I was clear on that show that it

946
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: wasn't like a strong take, but it was a process

947
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: oriented one that I still believe as like a general transaction.

948
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: But there are degrees to these transactions, like one player

949
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: can be way more of a cell than another. You know,

950
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: even though one guy gets bucketed the exact same.

951
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: Way, I have a feeling this next guy is gonna be.

952
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: You know, we always get those questions about sleepers, and

953
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: we can't really answer them because we don't know the

954
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: like league settings or not sleepers, but keepers rather. Yeah,

955
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: this guy is gonna be one of those. It's Cam Skataboo.

956
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Skataboo the you know, obviously, I think the

957
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: year two model would have liked him even more had

958
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: he not gotten hurt, just because there's something.

959
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: It was a bad injury. I mean it was really

960
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: bad injury.

961
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but weighted opportunity wise, only gent and a

962
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: Marion Hampton were better in this Year two class. The

963
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: one thing that did translate for Skataboo is that he

964
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: didn't have many big plays. Fewer than one percent of

965
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: his rushes went for twenty or more yards, and that

966
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: was the big question mark with his speed coming out

967
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: last year. It's just that his bulldozing ability did translate

968
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: to the league, and you know, it's like, you know,

969
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: one of the beautiful parts about Derrick Henry in his

970
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: game is that he does that the tackle breaking stuff

971
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: while also generating big plays because he's so fast. Yeah,

972
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: Skattaboo doesn't have that. Now, It's funny that his median

973
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: comp here is Kareem Hunt because if you go back

974
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: and look at last year's Prospect Guide, Kareem Hunt was

975
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: one of his top comps in that guide, so I

976
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: can see that trajectory kind of happening for him. The

977
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: high comp here is not definitely not a stylistic comp

978
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: but James Cook and his trajectory in the league as

979
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: a Day two guy. Now, Skattaboo was a Day three guy.

980
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: But you're seeing Day two running backs listed here because again,

981
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: if you think about what journey comparables are, it's ZAP score,

982
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: year two score, they generally align. The fact that Cam

983
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: Scattaboo is listed among, the fact that that Day two

984
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: running backs are listed among Camp Scataboo tells you that

985
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: Skataboo's Zapp score was really good for a Day three pick,

986
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: for a Round four guy, because he's being elevated to

987
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: these other Day two picks from a zap score standpoint.

988
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: The low end one is cam Akers. Also kind of

989
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: interesting is camp Makers dealt with injury and that that

990
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: could be a really big reason why Acres never really developed.

991
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: But I do think overall, Skataboo is a fun prospect

992
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: guy that you can have on your fantasy roster and

993
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: just be excited about it. And his his year two score,

994
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: like I said, it would be even better had he

995
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: stayed healthy.

996
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna have to pay attention to just the

997
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: medical stuff this offseason to see where he ends up.

998
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: If he's a you know, someone that is cleared early

999
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: and he's gonna play the whole season, or if he's

1000
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: you know, if he's gonna miss a few games, Yeah,

1001
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: because that will definitely affect his is draft capital. All right.

1002
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: The next one also dealing with an injury, quin Shawn Judkins.

1003
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Judkins, i'd say is not unlike Scataboo from

1004
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: like a prospects score standpoint. You know, he was a

1005
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: little bit higher than Skataboo, but then their year two

1006
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: score spoiler alert, they're not that far from one another.

1007
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: And if you look at his he has pretty similar

1008
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: comps where it's like cam Akers as the low end,

1009
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders as the median, and Le'Veon Bell is the high.

1010
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: For quin Shown Judkins, I think, like my vibe and

1011
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: outlook for quin shown Judkins, I think he's good. But

1012
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: I do think that the market has some anchoring bias

1013
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: going on with Judkins. If you look at his top

1014
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,959
Speaker 1: four games last year and yards over expected per rush,

1015
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: three of those four games came during his first three

1016
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: games this season, and so for three of those four

1017
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: games came during the first four games of the season

1018
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: for Judkins, meaning a lot of his really efficient, effective

1019
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: games came early on. I think every one's like, oh,

1020
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: Judkins is awesome, and I think he is. If you

1021
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 1: look at the data, you know, PFF yards before contact

1022
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: per attempt among high volume backs, his was absolute worst.

1023
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: Gent was second worst. So the offensive line was doing

1024
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: them no favors. I still think though, that receiving is

1025
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: a question mark for Quinnjahn Judkins. It was a question

1026
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: mark for him entering the league. You know, I think

1027
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: that a lot of times when it comes to prospecting

1028
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: and analysis of running backs in the NFL for fantasy purposes,

1029
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, people get enamored with just the running

1030
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: ability of these guys, and we ignore the receiving ability. Now,

1031
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: an argument can be made that running is becoming a

1032
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: little bit more important than it did three or four

1033
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: years ago, and then it was three or four years ago.

1034
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: But even still, the receiving side, especially in a PPR format,

1035
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: matters a lot. And I don't know if Judkins is

1036
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, like he has Le'Veon Bell as a compier.

1037
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: Le'Veon Bell is gonna like like he's not gonna see

1038
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: Le'Veon Bell type receiving volume in the NFL. And so

1039
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, he had a thirty percent route share last year,

1040
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: which is which is a red flag. You know. So

1041
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: I like Judkins, but I do think that if there's

1042
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: someone who's like in love with Judkins, I'm talking like,

1043
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, five spot running back spots ahead of market whatever,

1044
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: you could look to trade him away.

1045
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: Cleveland fan speaking of trades, K Crash said, I sold

1046
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 2: the farm Pitts in late second for Hampton last year

1047
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: because the prospect guy and he said, okay, it wasn't

1048
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 2: that great of a farm. But speaking of Hampton, we

1049
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 2: have him next in the list.

1050
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 1: A Marion Hampton. Yeah, the that model loves a Marion Hampton.

1051
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: That is Foreshore. Uh so Hampton. His his low comp

1052
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: is Trent Richardson so could go could go south. And

1053
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: his Leonard Median is Leonard Fournette. So it's like kind

1054
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: of one step off of Ashton gent and the high

1055
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 1: end one is Ezekiel Elliott.

1056
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: Didn't he have a Zeke comp? Yeah, hit a z.

1057
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: Comp as a as a resulte Prospect.

1058
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1059
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: Obviously we didn't see a ton of Maria and Hampton

1060
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: last year because the injury. But he was fifteenth in

1061
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: rushing yards over expected per attempt in the NFL. He

1062
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: had a twelve percent target shair and that's in a

1063
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: tougher offense, a great Roman offense, where it's not as

1064
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: easy to get that high of a number. So I

1065
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: have this blurb from his profile right up in the

1066
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: Prospect gud. I'll just read it and look. Whenever I

1067
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: say and do these like thre this threshold analysis, it's

1068
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: more of a nugget than like a sure thing, and

1069
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: it's just a fun and interesting thing to analyze and

1070
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: look at. But from twenty eleven through twenty twenty two,

1071
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: there have been ten running backs in the year two

1072
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: model database who entered the league as a legendary performer

1073
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: or elite producer. So Marion Hampton was an elite producer

1074
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: and then earned at least a twelve percent target share

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00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: as a rookie. Six of those players had an RB

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00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: one season within their next three seasons. So we're looking

1077
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: at a situation where there's like, you know, based on that,

1078
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: it's a sixty percent chance, so we get like a

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00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: true RB one season from Marion Hampton over the next

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00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: three years. I just think he's a good player, and

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00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: the data really likes him. Admittedly, this app model like

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00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: really really loved him. I don't think it was the

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00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: wrong call though, Like he was good when he was active,

1084
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: and he was you know, he was a very able player.

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00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: That injury just kind of derailed things. I am very

1086
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: excited about Mike McDaniel, a better offensive line. I mean,

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00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: things could really come together for Marion Hampton in year

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00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: two for sure.

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00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. And people, I mean people are feeling really good

1090
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: about him at the you know, at the start of

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00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 2: the season. And now do we have to worry about

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00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: camani Vedel.

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00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: I think that he's going to play a role. I

1094
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: mean most backfields are split in some way, and so

1095
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: I think I think Videll will be a piece there

1096
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: in that backfield. But Marion Hampton's a bellcow like he

1097
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: and he's like again, he's one of those players where

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00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: you give him the hole, he's going to be able

1099
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: to break off huge plays and and and generate those

1100
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: splash plays that we love in fantasy. I don't think

1101
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: that he's the best creator in the world, but he

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00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: has that size, speed, combination and the ability to be

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00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: a decent receiver. You know, He's part of that giant

1104
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: bucket that I was talking about where guys are at

1105
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: least capable of seeing those double digit percentage target shares.

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00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: He's did that last year, right, and all of that combined,

1107
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: You're like, is he the most talented elite running back?

1108
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 2: No?

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00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: Situationally though he can get there.

1110
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: From a fantasy perspective, I don't know if if k

1111
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 2: Crash feels better. Hopefully he does, does, I mean, because

1112
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 2: it wasn't that big of a farm and Hampton could

1113
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: just go off. So speaking of comments, JJ, We've got

1114
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 2: an interesting one. Did you see third down deal? Our buddy? No?

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00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: Should we should we go onto the final section of

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00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: the show?

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00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah we should? Here you go a final section

1118
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 2: of the show. I don't know if you saw our

1119
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 2: buddy third down deal. You remember the guy that stopped

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00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: us on the street at the Super Bowl.

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00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. Of course, he's a Charlotte guy.

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00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 2: That was his buddy.

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00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: Oh that's cool. Yeah, nice.

1124
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 2: So he said, I can't believe I told my buddy

1125
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: Taylor from barstool to look you look for you in

1126
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 2: San Francisco and a few days later he sends a

1127
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: pick with you. We literally saw him on the street.

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00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: So this is what happened though. We were about two

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00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: blocks away from Radio Row and we're walking from our

1130
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: hotels in the morning and someone just walks up behind

1131
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: us and he goes, hey, are you JJ zach Reason?

1132
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: And I turned around like yeah, I'm JJ zachar Reason.

1133
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: And then we started talking and he lives in outside

1134
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: of Charlotte, like pretty close to me, listens to the

1135
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: show and stuff, and he said that his friend had

1136
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: said that JJ that I was going to be out there. Yeah,

1137
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: And then you were like, do you want to get

1138
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: a picture. Yeah, And then he's like, yeah, I want

1139
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: to get a picture. So we just got a picture

1140
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: and then he must have sent it to the league

1141
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know the group of friends. And that's hilarious.

1142
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 2: Because I think I may have told a story on

1143
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: this show, but a number of years ago. This was

1144
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, right before things went south COVID. But we

1145
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: went to Disney World and I'm talking in five minutes

1146
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: and someone comes up and goes, are you soccer Dave

1147
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: David Kitchen?

1148
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: It's so funny And I was.

1149
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: Like, yes, absolutely I am. And my wife and kids

1150
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 2: were like, what is happening right now? And I was

1151
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: so proud of that moment. And he said, can we

1152
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: get a picture? And so I said yes. I then

1153
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: went to Twitter at the time and bragged about it.

1154
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: The guy never tagged me with the picture. It never

1155
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: saw the light of day. So naturally my swolcast's co

1156
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 2: host think that it was a big, you know, made up.

1157
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah farce farce. I there was. There was one situation.

1158
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: So like, I'll get recognized at times whenever it's not

1159
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: it's not very frequent, and I like it. It's great

1160
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: if you guys recognize me though in public, like come

1161
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: say hi because I want to talk to you.

1162
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

1163
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: I uh, you know, I've had I've had like spurts

1164
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: randomly where it's like I've seen, you know, there's like

1165
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: three people in a two week span or something, which

1166
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: is always funny and cool. But there was one where

1167
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: I was I ran a marathon relay with Leoni, Mike Leoni,

1168
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: friend of the show, uh, and his sister and brother

1169
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: in law and someone else one of their friends. We

1170
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: did a marathon relay downtown Charlotte. This was years ago.

1171
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: And afterwards we went and got brunch downtown Charlotte and

1172
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: we walk in and mind you, Leoni lives in Buffalo,

1173
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: so I don't get to see Leoni very often. Okay,

1174
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: but his sister lives down here in Charlotte, and so

1175
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: I'll get to see him every so often. And so

1176
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm not like out with Leoni very frequently. Well, we're

1177
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: out at this brunch place and someone's like are you

1178
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: JJ Zach Reeson and and so from Leo, I was like, yeah, yeah,

1179
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: let's me know whatever. Like you know, I talked to

1180
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: him a little bit and uh, from I thought to

1181
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: myself afterwards, like from leonipective, he probably thinks that everywhere

1182
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: I go. So it's just like, did he ask are

1183
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: you the late round quarterback?

1184
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: Did he ask if he was two hats one Mike

1185
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 2: Michael Leoni.

1186
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: He did not. No. I don't know if you realize though,

1187
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: that that Leoni was. You know, I'm I stand out

1188
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: more than Leoni because I'm bigger than Leoni and I've

1189
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: got a giant head. That's that's tough to miss.

1190
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you the spreadsheet socialist? Michael Leoni?

1191
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,439
Speaker 1: We did get a question in Chad, how does Love

1192
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: grade compared to gent genty? Was better than Love? As

1193
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: a prospect? I really like Jeremiah Love. I don't think

1194
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna make it into the legendary producer category, which

1195
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: only like a handful of running backs have since twenty eleven,

1196
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: but he's gonna be on the high end of the

1197
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: elite producer category. He's a very very good prospect.

1198
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 2: Okay, shout out to everyone that interacted with the show. Again,

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01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: we are we get down and nerdy on the show.

1200
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: It's an interactive show. So if you join us live,

1201
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: we welcome your comments, and then after the show we

1202
01:00:54,760 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 2: welcome your comments, feedback, whatever you have for us all. So,

1203
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 2: if you're not joining the Discord and the late Round Patreon,

1204
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: do that. We've got Dynasty season coming up. Talking ball

1205
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,919
Speaker 2: in the Patreon so and in Discord, so that will

1206
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 2: be good, and JJ we have a few things for

1207
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: them to listen to. The running Backs episode.

1208
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: Yep, got a running Back episode that was out on Tuesday,

1209
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: and then on Friday. We will have the Mailbag episode

1210
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: this week, and then a newsletter that went out about

1211
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: be shall tooton another player who I said to buy

1212
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: who I'm now after doing more research kind of pumping

1213
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: the brakes a little bit there on Henderson.

1214
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 2: That's what happens when you like do research in real time.

1215
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: You don't have like you don't have like a month. Yeah.

1216
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: I also think that like my job is to be

1217
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: transparent of course, but also like I'm going on this

1218
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: journey with other people to discover things to you know,

1219
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: talk about them. I'm not gonna like hide things. But

1220
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: at the same time, I don't want to just say

1221
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: something and it be concrete for the rest of my life.

1222
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: The same thing happened with like Chase Brown a few

1223
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: years ago, where I had Chase Brown as a cell

1224
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: at first, and then after about a month of research,

1225
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: I was like, Eh, maybe I shouldn't have this as

1226
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: a you know, this him as a cell, And I

1227
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: ended up buying Chase Brown, you know, after doing that. So, like,

1228
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: I think that it's important for me to be honest

1229
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: and transparent with people. And if that's not your vibe,

1230
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: that's not your vibe, that's fine. But I think that

1231
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: most people should want to have an analyst or a

1232
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: person giving them advice who changes their opinion with new information.

1233
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: That new information is often just research, and that's what

1234
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm doing with these you know, prospects and year two guys.

1235
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen super frequently, but it's gonna happen, and

1236
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:42,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna change my opinion and I'll let you guys

1237
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: know when I am changing my opinion.

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01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: There you go again, laterround dot com to purchase the

1239
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 2: Prospect Guide, sign up for the free newsletter more free

1240
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 2: content that we've done before. And jjmember the viewer that

1241
01:02:55,480 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 2: said year one, in year two running backs were kink,

1242
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: My kink has been satiated. Is that how you're saying?

1243
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 2: Associated associated?

1244
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1245
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: Thank you Kings so no, thank you and thank you JJ.

1246
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: Thank you all for tuning in, and we will see

1247
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 2: you next time here on the Late Round Fantasy Football

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Speaker 2: show piece