1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Josh, and I have one word to 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: describe this week's select from twenty twenty one on why 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: there are so many myths about a great flood founding 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: cultures around the world. That word is fascinating, but I'll 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: had a few more words. I guess this is one 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: of those good old fashioned Stuff you Should Know episodes 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: where we find out that a thing that everyone just 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: kind of takes for granted actually has a lot more 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: to it than it seems. 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: And I love those. 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: Episodes, and I love this episode, which is why I 12 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: picked it. 13 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: I hope you love it too. 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: Ahoy, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's Chuck, 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: and we're the captains of this here ship called Stuff 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,639 Speaker 1: you Should Know. And that's all there is to it, 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: although I do think we need to allow for the 19 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: fact that Jerry is Rear Admirable and by that, of course, 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: I mean Rear Admiral, and by that, of course, I 21 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: mean it's gonna be a long episode. 22 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 3: Has there ever been a cut c TV show called 23 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 3: The Admirable Admiral? 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: Uh No? 25 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: That sounds great. I think there was one the Simpsons 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: did one called Admiral Baby. 27 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 3: Oh all right, well that counts. 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 29 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 1: I don't know if the baby was particularly admirable, though, 30 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: it could have been like a terrible person. 31 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: So I have a cold, So I just want to 32 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: apologize up front. Just a head cold. But I'm a 33 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 3: little stuffy, So I'm sorry if if it's coming across 34 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: as untoward. 35 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm very proud of you for pushing through, chuck, because 36 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: a lesser podcasters would not. They might they might just 37 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: be like, I can I have a cold. People don't 38 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: want to hear that, and you say, the heck with that. 39 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm going forward with it. 40 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: Remember back in the day, you had like a three 41 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: month cold that one year. 42 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: Every year here for a little while, I used to 43 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: get so sick. Yeah, no, it's terrible. But we've gotten 44 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: much better, haven't we. 45 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I don't know, maybe quitting smoking and 46 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: something to do with. 47 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: That, maybe just a touch. 48 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: You don't get colds like that anymore. 49 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: No for you, I really don't. So yet another reason 50 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: to quit smoking. Everybody who's out there on the fence, 51 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: that's right. 52 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: So we're talking today. 53 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: The reason I said that we're captains is because I 54 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: was making a play on a story that it seems 55 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: like every single person Chuck knows about. At the very least, 56 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: I can say with almost one hundred percent confidence that 57 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: everyone that you and I have ever met, seen in passing, 58 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: talked to, or been in the same country with, probably 59 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: has heard of the story of Noah and the Flood, 60 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: where Noah was told to go ahead and build a 61 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: boat because the earth was going to flood and everybody 62 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: was going to be killed. And by the way, grab 63 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: some animals put them on board so that you and 64 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: your wife and then the animals can all repopulate your 65 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: respective species once the flood's sides. Right, it's a classic story. 66 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: Everybody loves it. We we read it out loud just 67 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: about every Saturday at dinner time, and it's just a 68 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: great story. Right, everybody knows this story. But it turns out, Chuck, 69 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: that there's this idea that that actually happened. That there, 70 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: and it's long been an idea that the what the 71 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: Noah's story is talking about happened in actuality, that there 72 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 1: was a point in time where the entire world flooded. 73 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of scholarly research into this 74 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: into how that's even possible. 75 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, I guess if we're talking about 76 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: this particular, because you know, we've we've found, after digging 77 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: around and getting ed to help us with this research, 78 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: that there are flood myths in not every culture but 79 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: a lot of cultures over the years. And we'll get 80 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: into that, you know, in lots of detail, but as 81 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: far as actual Noah's actual flood from the Old Testament, 82 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: there was a gentleman in eighteen seventy two named George 83 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: Smith who is a hobbyist of all things Assyrian and 84 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 3: an amateur sort of historical sleuth, but a well educated 85 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: when nonetheless, because he could do things like read quneiform tablets, 86 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 3: and he was doing that one day on I don't 87 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: know if it was an actual lunch break or if 88 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: that's just apocryphal, but supposedly on a lunch break, went 89 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 3: to a museum, was reading quneiform and came across a 90 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: story the Epic of Gilgamesh and read this quote, build 91 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: a boat, abandon wealth and seek survival. Spurn poverty, save life. 92 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 3: Take on board all living things, seed animals. The boat 93 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: you will build. Her dimension shall be equal her length 94 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 3: and breadths shall be the same. It doesn't sing any 95 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: about cubits, but it's inferred. Cover her with cover her 96 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 3: with a roof like the ocean below, and he will 97 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 3: send you a reign of plenty. And George Smith said, hey, 98 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: this is strikingly familiar as the Christian slash Jewish Old 99 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 3: Testament Noah's flood story. But this is several hundred years previous. 100 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and instead of God telling Noah or an angel 101 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: telling Noah, it's the God in Lel who's telling a 102 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: guy named utnapished him to build this boat. 103 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 2: Noah's nowhere to be heard. 104 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: And for what reason? 105 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 2: What do you mean? 106 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, wasn't this one of the ones where 107 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: like Earth is being punished? Basically? 108 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So the reason that U and Lel gave 109 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: to Udina pished him was because the humans were too 110 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: noisy and the gods were sick of humans, so they 111 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: were going to flood the earth and kill off all humans, 112 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: whereas in the Bible it was because humans had become 113 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: too wicked to live. 114 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 3: I think noisy and wicked are the same thing back then. 115 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: I guess so. 116 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: And it makes you wonder, like, did somebody misread the 117 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: word and they're like noisy, okay, and just barreled on. 118 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: They're like, my lunch break is almost over. So George 119 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: Smith's was like noisy, it's they said noisy. 120 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 3: But there was also the idea of saving animals, and 121 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 3: there was also the idea that afterward birds were sent 122 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 3: out to find dry land, just as a no. 123 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: Story, right, And so you just kind of say, whoops. 124 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: Because the Epic of Gilgamesh predates the Old Testament by 125 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: at least several hundred years, depending on what part you're 126 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: talking about, And so you might say, okay, so the 127 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: Noahs story is adapted from this, but that doesn't mean 128 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: that it undermines the veracity. They don't undermine the veracity 129 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: of one another. In fact, if you stop and think 130 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: about it, the fact that one of the first things 131 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: that was ever written down after the invention of writing, 132 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: qn aiform, was the first written system humans ever devised, 133 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: and that the first literary work ever created, the Epic 134 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: of Gilgamesh, contained this flood story. It kind of suggests 135 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: that something actually may have happened, like it was a 136 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: really important story that has stuck around for thousands and 137 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: thousands of years. The Epic of gilgrimesh was written thirty 138 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: four hundred years ago, that it suggests that there might 139 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: be some some kernel of truth to it. 140 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and over the years, a lot of people have 141 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 3: tried to prove, whether scientifically or otherwise, that the the 142 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 3: Noah's Flood really did take place. Bible literalists, is that 143 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 3: is that what we call them? I think so, okay, 144 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: Bible literalists Bible historians, because that would, uh, that would 145 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: go a long way in Christianity if you could say, hey, 146 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: the Bible is an actual historical document, this stuff is 147 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: really true. And in the eighteenth and nineteenth century there 148 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: was something called deluvialism, deluvial meaning like relating to a 149 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: great flood. But that was a big shape of actual geology. 150 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 3: Was basically saying, hey, this physical literally the physical world 151 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: that we're living in came about after this flood. What 152 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: kind of reset things? And then the real geological record 153 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 3: came along once science got serious and they proved that 154 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 3: was not the case, and that kind of went the 155 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: way of the Dodo around you know, the mid eighteen hundreds. 156 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, they kind of did it backwards. They said the 157 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: Noah Flood shaped the world as we see it. Go 158 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: find proof, and when they found proof, they were like, 159 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: it's not really adding up. Yeah, So there's no evidence 160 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: that there was a global flood that inundated the world. 161 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: And in fact, the geological record that these geologists, the 162 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: early Ones and you know, up to modern day ones 163 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: have been putting together supports the exact opposite of that 164 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: that Earth wasn't created in a deluge. It was created 165 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: over incredibly long distances of time, very very slowly, layer 166 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: by layer. 167 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: Right, that's right. 168 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: But people still say, okay, welly number one, why have 169 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: we been telling this flood story for so long? And 170 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: then also, why is it, like you said, the idea 171 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: of flood myths seems almost universal. Doesn't that like still 172 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: strongly suggest that there was, even if the Bible doesn't 173 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: quite have it right. And by the way, Noah's story 174 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: also shows up in the Quran too, so it's in 175 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: the Jewish Bible, the Old Testament and the Quran. And 176 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: then there's the epic of Gilgemach story, Like, why is 177 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: this important story still around? Doesn't that still support the 178 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: idea that something happened? Why would there be universal flood 179 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: myths from cultures that had never even heard of Christianity before, 180 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: and there have been some attempts to explain that that 181 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: I think are much more satisfying than the idea that 182 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: we're just missing all of the evidence for a great 183 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: worldwide deluge that happened back in antiquity. 184 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there were you know that it's more than 185 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: just those There were Chinese flood myths. There were flood 186 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: myths in southern Canada and the British Isles. So there 187 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 3: was one study picked out fifty cultures and they all 188 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 3: had their own flood myth and that it was related 189 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: to some kind of punishment. So they started looking, like 190 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 3: you said, of like why why is this happening? And 191 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 3: there's a bunch of reasons and they all kind of 192 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: make sense to me if I'm being honest. One of 193 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 3: them is that there was a flood in these cultures, 194 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 3: but it wasn't a global flood. But if you're you know, 195 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 3: if all you know is a certain area and you 196 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: never get to leave that area and it wipes out 197 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: everything you know, then the story that you pass along 198 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 3: orally through the years would sound like one that wiped 199 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 3: out everything. 200 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like the whole idea is that this flood 201 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: actually did happen way far back to one group, and 202 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: then that group eventually kind of spread out and carried 203 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: that flood myth with them, And so to those of 204 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: us today historians anthropologists, looking at like all of these 205 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: groups that are spread out all over the world, all 206 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: sharing basically the same story, it would make it seem 207 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: like a flood had impacted all of these groups that 208 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: were that far spread. 209 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: Out, so it must have been a really big flood. 210 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: But this explanation says no, the flood was actually really localized. 211 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: It was the group that it happened to that eventually 212 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: spread out. That's one explanation. It makes a lot of sense. 213 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: And one of the groups that are usually kind of 214 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: pinpointed as this flood happening to or the proto Indo 215 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: Europeans who were known to have been around the I 216 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: think the Caucasus Mountains to start, and then just spread 217 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: out as far as the British Isles, basically all over 218 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: Europe northwest, east, south, and that all of our languages 219 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: like English, Germanic, just a whole slew of languages developed 220 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: out of this group. 221 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and some more support for this is the fact 222 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 3: that there aren't flood myths in Sub Saharan African cultures, 223 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: and these were groups that when they left Africa they 224 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: didn't come back, so they would not have taken back 225 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 3: with them a flood myth from proto Indo Europeans. So 226 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: it all kind of makes sense. 227 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. There's another kind of related one too, that 228 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: that says that there were floods, just not a flood. 229 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: That flooding is actually really common, so it happened to 230 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: a lot of different groups, So it would make sense 231 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: that all these different cultures would have flood myths. 232 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: Sure. And again, if you live in your riverside village 233 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: and you don't get to travel very far from there 234 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 3: and everything you know of gets destroyed again, it could be, 235 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: you know, lend support to the idea that it gets 236 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 3: translated as a worldwide flood. And if everyone's having these 237 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: localized floods which happened, you know, there's always been floods then, 238 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: not necessarily of the forty days and forty nights variety. 239 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 3: But when things are passed around orally and then they 240 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 3: get rewritten, things get kind of mixed up. 241 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's our bad, those of us alive today 242 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: who are mistaking or laying our interpretation of the word 243 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: world onto like these culture's use of the word world. 244 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: They're saying their world, which is much smaller than it 245 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: is to those of us today. When we think the world, 246 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: we think the whole globe, you know. 247 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, And speaking of laying your things on other cultures, 248 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 3: the third one is Christian missionaries, and there's evidence of 249 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 3: this happening. They would go and tell the story of 250 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 3: Noah's Great flood, especially you know, when colonization was happening too, 251 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 3: and between missionaries and colonization, all these other cultures picked 252 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 3: up on that original Biblical flood tale or I don't 253 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 3: know if we should call it a flood myth or 254 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 3: flood tale at this point, what should we call it? 255 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: I think most people call it flood myths or Deluvian myths. 256 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 3: Okay, Delivian myth that sounds a little more academic. So yeah, 257 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 3: So Christian myth stiononaries did this, and I think this 258 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 3: is also evidence in the fact that the South Pacific 259 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: didn't really have one until eighteen fourteen when they came 260 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 3: into contact with Christian missionaries, and then all of a 261 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: sudden they had the Maori flood myths. 262 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they actually had a flood myth before, but 263 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: apparently it was more tsunami based, and then after contact 264 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: with Christianity, it became much more of like a deluge, 265 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: and it just bore some striking resemblances to the Noah 266 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: flood myth of Christianity, And apparently that happened all over 267 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: the South Pacific as well, where these cultures will have 268 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: their own kind of flood myth, but it's always based 269 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: on tsunamis. But then the Christians come and go, and 270 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's a day luge where the 271 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: water rose after like forty days and forty nights of 272 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: rain and stuff. So that creates a lot of headaches 273 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: for anthropologists, but it also at the same time explains 274 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: why a universal flood myth or a flood myth would 275 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: seem universal of those of us around today, and why 276 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: they seem to bear such a striking resemblance still one another. 277 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: You know. 278 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 3: Indeed, I think we should take a break and I'm 279 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: gonna go blow my nose, okay, and then we'll come 280 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: back and talk about geo mythology right after this. 281 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: So, Chuck, that was a nice view to blow your 282 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: nose at the break rather than during recording, even though 283 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: I still had to hear it. 284 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: You know what's funny, I was listening to I don't 285 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: know why I just thought of this, but I was 286 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 3: listening to Paula Tompkins Stay at Homepkins podcast he does 287 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 3: with his wife Janey the other day, and he was 288 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 3: talking about sneezing on stage and that that had happened 289 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: to him once in his career. And Paula someone who 290 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: spent lots and lots and lots of time on stages, 291 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: And I wonder if there's something to that of the 292 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 3: body withholding things like sneezes, because I've never seen anyone 293 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: sneeze on stage. I've never sneezed on stage. Yeah, isn't 294 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 3: that weird? 295 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure it's related to adrenaline in fight or flight. 296 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking. I mean, there's got to 297 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 3: be something to that. 298 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, like your body's like I have time to waste 299 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: all that energy on sneezing. We got to get out 300 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: of here, We got to put on a great show. 301 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: It would be really weird to think about it if, Like, 302 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 3: I don't know, Barry Manilow in Vegas was talking about 303 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: setting up Mandy before he sings it and just lets 304 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: out a big sneeze. 305 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you for setting me up to reminisce 306 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: yet again about the time that you, me and I 307 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: saw Barry manilo front Row Center in Vegas. 308 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: You would have been sneezed on with that big snoze. 309 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: Yes, we actually would have been covered in his sneeze. 310 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: All right, So we promised talk of geo mythology. Here's 311 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: the idea. Since science really got attacked together, there have 312 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 3: been a couple of different ways to look at things 313 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 3: like flood myths as either this is a story about 314 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 3: our cultural values and there is a lot of religious 315 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 3: metaphor involved, or this was an actual historical event and 316 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 3: geomethology came along to kind of say, hey, man, it 317 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 3: can kind of be both, like there could have been 318 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 3: a real flood and it also took on metaphor and 319 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 3: took on cultural values and was used as a story 320 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 3: of I can't think of the word I'm trying to 321 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 3: think of to teach you a lesson. 322 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: What's it called fable? 323 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, like a fable. 324 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: So this kind of this field has emerged since I 325 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: believe the sixties, and actually I was reading about this 326 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: field of geomethology is like still really trying to establish 327 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: itself in the field of geology. And most geo mythologists 328 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: are trained geologists. That's where you start out, probably, but 329 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: they they also are like, you know, they have to 330 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: really defend what they're doing against their fellow geologists because 331 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: they're they're basically saying, all of these myths, all of 332 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: these legends, all of this historical, these these folk traditions, 333 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: they actually contain eyewitness accounts of natural disasters, of weird 334 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: events and earth of early finds of fossils, and yeah, 335 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: they've they've cloaked them in the language of mythology and 336 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: the terminology of mythology and monsters and weirdness and all 337 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: this stuff that makes it just seem completely legendary to 338 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: us today. But that's how these pre scientific and often 339 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: preliterate cultures passed along really valuable information, and like we've 340 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: been kind of foolish to just discount them as all 341 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: nothing but legend, as if there's no fact whatsoever in there. 342 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: Water exactly. And so that's what geomithology is doing. 343 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: They're saying, wait a minute, wait a minute, if you 344 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: just look at this the right way, we are covered 345 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: up in historical accounts, just waiting for us to unravel 346 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: if we learn how to read these correctly and then 347 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: also correlate with actual, like known geological events that we've 348 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: discovered through science. 349 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, like, hey, you see that story that seems completely 350 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 3: crazy about a demon god who lives in a mountain 351 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 3: and gets angry and spouts fire from its top. Like 352 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 3: that's a volcano, bros. And like, just because it sounds 353 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 3: crazy doesn't mean we shouldn't look at the fact that 354 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 3: an actual volcano eruption might have happened then, and let's 355 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 3: kind of marry these two things and let's just all 356 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 3: get along. 357 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: Right, And so like that legend about the volcano with 358 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: the angry god that sometimes spews like scary stuff forth, 359 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: and if you ever hear the mountains starting to make rumbles, 360 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: it means the god is way up and you should run. 361 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: Like that's that is a way for a culture that 362 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: is aware that this mountain's actually a volcano, and that 363 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: volcano can sit dormant for generations at a stretch, so 364 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: those there will be people born in the future who 365 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: aren't aware that that's a volcano. And this is the 366 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: way that the culture passes down over deep time. This 367 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: really important information. If the volcano ever makes a sound 368 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: run because you don't want the fiery breath of that 369 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: god that's trapped inside it makes it. 370 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 3: I've heard. I love this stuff. Like, Yeah, before science 371 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 3: came along, all humans did from the moment they could 372 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 3: sort of form thoughts was try and explain what was 373 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 3: going on around them, from rain and thunder to volcanoes 374 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 3: and floods. And I don't know, I think it's super interesting. 375 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: It's almost like these proto early warning systems, right, like 376 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 3: nuclears didn't really know how to explain the science of it. 377 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: Exactly like nuclear semiox Remember we did an episode on 378 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: that on how to tell people ten thousand years in 379 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: the future about steering clear of nuclear waste. Right, it's 380 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: the same exact principle. It's just chuck. Somewhere along the way, 381 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: we later generations became arrogant and just completely discounted any 382 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 1: of that those pre scientific traditions because they didn't appear scientific. 383 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: But it is exactly like what you were saying. It 384 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: was the way that they made sense of actual stuff. 385 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: And so there's plenty of stuff to learn from those 386 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: those accounts and those tales and those myths and legends. 387 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: We just have to basically kind of eat a little 388 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: bit of crow and go back and be like, well. 389 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: We've been ignoring this to our own detriment. 390 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like you said earlier, it's a tough 391 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 3: road to ho though for scientists these days if they 392 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 3: take this on, because you know, you have mixed results 393 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: when you go back and you look at these tales. 394 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 3: Some of them may just be folk tales and legends, 395 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 3: and some may have kernels of truth, some may have 396 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 3: a little more truth. So there's a lot to sort 397 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 3: of parse through as a geologist these days, if you're 398 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 3: if you're working as or with the geo mythologist. 399 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: Right, and so when you are laying this out and 400 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: trying to figure out, okay, what is this myth describing. 401 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: You know, again you're a trained geologist if you're a geomthologist, 402 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: but you're also working with people from other scientific fields 403 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: as far as trying to uncover the fact the kernel 404 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: of truth behind these flood myths. You would be working 405 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: with paleohydrology or paleo bathymetry, which is the study of 406 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: ancient sea levels like where they were at in the past, 407 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: and so you're going to take like the findings from 408 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: these fields and then say, okay, let me see if 409 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: I can correlate it with a myth. Or you find 410 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: a myth and you say, okay, let me see if 411 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: I can correlate it with paleobathymetry or paleohydrology findings. And 412 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: they've actually turned up some really interesting stuff so far. 413 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was in twenty sixteen, there was a study 414 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 3: that tied together one of the Chinese flood myths from 415 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 3: about four thousand years ago, basically that there was a 416 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 3: great flood wiped out China. It lasted for a couple 417 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 3: of decades, and then this great man came along who 418 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 3: had become emperor, Emperor U, and tamed the water. So 419 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 3: geologists went back and they said, all right, there's an 420 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 3: ancient landslide around that same time that damned up a 421 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 3: river and a lake filled up behind it in about 422 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 3: six months or so, and then that flooded. That river 423 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 3: got flooded, broke through the dam, and there was this 424 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 3: huge flood, and they have found sediment that sort of 425 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: tracks along these lines. Then they found the Emperor U. 426 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: Actually it turns out he may not have been you know, 427 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 3: magically tamed the water. He just had a knack for 428 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 3: early engineering, and that he dredged the waters and it 429 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 3: cleared up the river's flow. Things returned to normal, and 430 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 3: he became emperor. But back then it gets you know, 431 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 3: told as it take of this, you know, great soon 432 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 3: to be emperor that tames the waters when he was 433 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 3: just good at what he was doing, right. 434 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: But they, I mean, they found like evidence, geological evidence 435 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: that backs all of this up, that this whole series 436 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: of events, the earthquake that tragdered, the landslide, the landslide, 437 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: the damn, the lake filling up in six months, the 438 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: lake breaking and flooding, that all this happened within a 439 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: single year. That is definitely the kind of thing that 440 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: your culture is going to make note of and pass 441 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: down over the years, that this kind of thing can happen. 442 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: And then not only that this great person came along 443 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: in freed us from the burden of these floodwaters that 444 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: apparently stuck around for twenty years. That's right, It's pretty cool. 445 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: There's another one that is just beyond thrilling. If you 446 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: ask me that a lot of people say this is probably, 447 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: this is possibly and I think That's a big reasons 448 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: a lot of mainstream geologists have problems with geo mythology 449 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: is we can't really see a course to getting to 450 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: the point where we're saying this is the one. This 451 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: is this flood that we have evidence of is what 452 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: gave rise to the epic of Gilgamesh and Noah's story. 453 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: But you can say there's a really good chance that 454 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: this is the one, this fits the bill, and this 455 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: one does kind of stick out like that. 456 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 3: That's right, this one. In the nineties, it became fairly 457 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 3: popular that basically said there was an oceanographer named William 458 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 3: Ryan and another guy named Walter Pittman. They were i 459 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 3: think in the early two thousands, and they said that 460 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 3: rising sea levels at one point caused a Mediterranean to 461 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 3: burst through the Bosporus Strait about seven thousand years ago. 462 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 3: And this was a like a legit serious flood that 463 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 3: I'm sure seemed like a flood, like a global type 464 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: of thing. It created a waterfall a volume two hundred 465 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 3: times that of Niagara Falls, and I think enough water 466 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 3: in one day that could have flooded Manhattan by three 467 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 3: thousand feet. Yeah, that's well, that's a flood. 468 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: It's quite a bit. 469 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: They also determined that the mediterrane and see moved inland. 470 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: The coast moved inland by about a mile a day. 471 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: Can you imagine seeing that happen before your eyes, like 472 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: you're just you'd almost lose your mind again. That would 473 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: make a really great story that you would pass along 474 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: and explain it in whatever terms you could. But there 475 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: would have been coastal settlements along the Bosporus Strait on 476 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: either side, on the Mediterranean side and also on the 477 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: Black Sea side that all this water poured into, and 478 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: it would have just completely wiped those settlements out. So 479 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: the people who did survive would have been like, something 480 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: really bad happened here, and this is how we're going 481 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: to make sense of it. And the timing of it 482 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: was just right. It happened probably about seven thousand years ago. 483 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: And as we'll see, there's a lot of stuff that 484 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 1: happened around seven seventy five hundred years ago around the 485 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: world because the end of that last glacial period started 486 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: in the sea levels rose, and all sorts of crazy 487 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: stuff happened as result. But that's one that people point to, 488 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,719 Speaker 1: is like that maybe the flood that gave rise to 489 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: the Gilgamesh and Noah stories. No pun intended gave rise, 490 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: I think, so it really was unintended. Yeah. 491 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 3: Another one about seventy five hundred years ago was the 492 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 3: creation of the Persian Gulf. Kind of a similar kind 493 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 3: of thing during the last Ice Age that what is 494 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 3: now the Persian Gulf used to not be. It used 495 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 3: to be a very nice river valley near the Fertile 496 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 3: Crescent where people lived. And the thing here though, that 497 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 3: I don't quite get is that they haven't they haven't 498 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 3: found any evidence of things underwater there, right. 499 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: No, they haven't. 500 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: They The reason why they think this happened, Chuck, is 501 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: because all of a sudden, on the shores of the 502 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: Gulf as we know it today, some like really well 503 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: established settlements with decorative pottery and well built stone houses 504 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: and all sorts of other things. Domesticated animals just sprang 505 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: up basically overnight. 506 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 3: So they were relocated essentially. 507 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really the only explanation. I went from hunting settlements, 508 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 1: hunting camps to all of a sudden, these people are 509 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: like an advanced society, so that the best explanation is 510 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: that their original settlement is down there beneath the Persian Gulf, 511 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: we just haven't found it yet. 512 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 3: What about Doggerland. 513 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: So Doggerland is another similar story. They both share what's 514 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: called aquaterra, by the way, which is a coin or 515 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: a term that was coined in the nineties to describe 516 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: these lands that were exposed for one hundred and fifty 517 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: thousand years that humans were kind of developing and forming societies, 518 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: and then were lost just seven seventy five hundred years 519 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: ago when the sea levels rose again. So Doggerland and 520 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: the idea of the Gulf being an underwater now submerged settlement, 521 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: Doggerlands like that, but instead of in the Persian Gulf, 522 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: it's been in the north. It was a patch of 523 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: land that connected the British Isles to Scandinavia before until 524 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: about eighty five hundred years ago. 525 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 3: Right, And here they have actually found submerged traces of 526 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 3: settlements under the sea, unlike the one in the Persian Gulf. 527 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: Right, And they actually think that it's possible. Some people 528 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: are saying no, it's probably just you know, slow, steady 529 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: sea level rise that flooded Doggerland. But there was a 530 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: massive landslide in I think Norway called the Storiga event 531 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: that happened eighty five hundred years ago, and it probably 532 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: generated a massive tsunami, and it could have been big 533 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: enough to have submerged dogger Land permanently after that. Apparently 534 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: that's how big that underwater landslide was. 535 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was about to say underwater. Can you get 536 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: to point that out out? 537 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, But there's a flood story from Brittany around that 538 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,479 Speaker 1: area that says that a king's daughter was possessed by 539 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: a demon and opened like their country's floodgates and that 540 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: was flooded, you know, catastrophically. So it's like, you know, 541 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: are they talking about this event that happened eighty five 542 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: hundred years ago that this has survived as this legend 543 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: until today. 544 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 3: That's right. And yet another right here in the well 545 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 3: and now the US of A. But in the nineteen 546 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 3: eighties and nineties they investigated flood miss of the indigenous 547 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,479 Speaker 3: peoples in the Pacific Northwest and they found out that 548 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 3: their flood miss this was a little more recent. This 549 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 3: was around seventeen hundred a d. But the idea is 550 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 3: that there was a like magnitude nine earthquake that caused 551 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 3: the tsunami, unleashing these big waves from basically sort of 552 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 3: Vancouver Island all the way down to northern California. 553 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the hoe and the Quilliute people who 554 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: had this legend of thunderbird and whale getting in a fight. 555 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: And it interesting is I mean, there's all sorts of 556 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: geological evidence. Apparently there's still trees that are just not where, 557 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: they're just not growing back they were wipe clean from 558 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: the tsunami. But there's a Japanese temple, a Buddhist temple 559 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: that marked the date January sixth, seventeen hundred because the 560 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: tsunami wave made it all the way to Japan and 561 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: they noted it. So by basically cross correlating that Japanese 562 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: noting of the date with the hoe and the quil 563 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: Yuk's story about thunderbird and whale, they've said, this story 564 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: is about this particular event, which is pretty awesome. 565 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 3: And then sometimes it's just a culture like prescience again 566 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 3: making sense out of finding weird things like the Zuni 567 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 3: people in the southwest of the United States obviously not 568 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 3: back then, they saw these you know, ancient marine animals 569 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 3: and seashells in the fossils that they were finding and 570 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 3: they said, well, this is part of our creation story. 571 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 3: There there was a great flood, and that's how this 572 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 3: stuff got here. 573 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, here in the desert, which is I mean, that's 574 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: how a pre scientific culture would make sense of that 575 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: kind of thing. Pretty cool, absolutely, So I say we 576 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: take one more break, and we're going to talk about 577 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: the other aspect of these myths, the mythology part of it, 578 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: right right after this. Okay, So if you take a 579 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: myth and you strip the mythology off and you just 580 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: look at the kernel of historicity and try to figure out, 581 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: you know, what it's actually describing. You don't want to 582 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: just forget the myth part. You want to go back 583 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: and also look at the myth part too, because that 584 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: reveals a lot about humans and who we are and 585 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: how we think spread out even across cultures throughout the world. 586 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of similarities that pop up from 587 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: examining geomithology, especially with flood myths, even when you set 588 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: aside the idea or I should say, even when you 589 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: account for the idea of missionaries spreading the Noah flood too. 590 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: So, yeah, you know, one of the things that's interesting 591 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 3: to look at is how these things are, how these 592 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 3: myths are similar. And one way that a lot of 593 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 3: these flood myths are similar is that and we've already 594 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 3: seen a little bit, and what we've talked about is 595 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 3: oftentimes it's a man and a woman, usually a man 596 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 3: and a wife, who are charged with gathering up the animals, 597 00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 3: with repopulating the earth afterward saving the species essentially, usually 598 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 3: a warning, whether it's Noah's flood myth or all the others, 599 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 3: where you know, someone comes along and says, you know, 600 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 3: you better get your act together earth, or tell everybody 601 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 3: on earth you know you were the messenger to get 602 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,479 Speaker 3: their act together, or else I will rain down rain 603 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 3: upon you. 604 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 2: Right. 605 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also sometimes a warning, I guess one of 606 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: the warnings, Chuck, that came through. I think we said 607 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: earlier that the Chinese have like at least four flood myths, 608 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: And one of the warnings that came through was to 609 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: this brother and sister who freed a thunder god from 610 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 1: their father's I guess Chicken Cooper or whatever. Their father 611 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: had captured him. And so the thunder god said, hey, 612 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: thanks a lot of kids. By the way, the things 613 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: are about to get serious around here. You might want 614 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: to build a boat. Actually, yeah, I think they build 615 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: a boat. But they're one of those interesting stories where 616 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: you said, usually it's a man and wife who end 617 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: up having to repopulate the earth. That put these two 618 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: kids in the position of having to repopulate, and that 619 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 1: was a taboo. Incests is a basically the universal taboo 620 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: one of them, and that was the same in ancient 621 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: China as well. So in different versions of the story, 622 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: either the brother and sister basically got to pass this time. 623 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: Another version is that the brother had to go through 624 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: a huge series of physical challenges and couldn't and that 625 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: somehow the earth became populated anyway. And the third version 626 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: is that they just made everybody out of clay, that 627 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: they made themselves, right, Okay, But if you start really 628 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 1: kind of looking at floods, there's like especially the purpose 629 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,919 Speaker 1: of the flood. That's the thing, Like it's very rare 630 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: that the flood happens in a flood myth just for fun, 631 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: Like there's almost always a reason, Like humans want there 632 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: to be a reason. So we've come up with different 633 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: reasons over the years, and one of them is basically 634 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: the apocalypse, that humanity is being wiped out, usually as 635 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: punishment and that we deserve to survive, and we would 636 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: have to survive or else we wouldn't be around to 637 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: be passing the story along. 638 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 2: So somebody had to survive. 639 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: So that's where those people who repopulate the earth come from. 640 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: But the rest of us we got wiped out because 641 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: we displeased the gods. 642 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 3: That's right. Another one is that we started out as 643 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 3: an ocean and nothing but ocean, So this is just 644 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 3: a reset to that, return to our original state here 645 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,320 Speaker 3: on planet Earth. And there are a lot of cultures 646 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 3: around the world that basically thought that we started out 647 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 3: as an ocean from ancient Egypt north I think in 648 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 3: Japan as well, and basically, you know, it's either returns 649 00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 3: us to a state of water or an island above an. 650 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's I mean, that's so closely related to 651 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: the apocalyptic one too. It's just that's we just happen 652 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: to be returning to how things were before, which is 653 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: also related to another kind of theme as a reason 654 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: for the flood, which is purification. Like, yes, you're being punished, 655 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: and yes you're returning to this primordial state, but the 656 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: ultimate reason that say like God or the gods have 657 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: is to purify things, to get to rid the world 658 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 1: of evil and just keep the good and start over 659 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: with just the good. Basically, that's another big one too, 660 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: and they're all kind of, you know, pretty tightly wound 661 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: up together. 662 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, then there's just angry gods. And it might not 663 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 3: have anything to do with you doing anything wrong as 664 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 3: a culture or getting your act together. It's just that 665 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 3: the gods were angry, so they they kicked open the 666 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 3: top of that mountain and it became a volcano. And 667 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 3: sorry ts for you guys. 668 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it just happens. 669 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: But that's still interesting that people this rationalization even in 670 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: itself though, isn't it. It's just kind of like sometimes 671 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 1: that happens even if you didn't do anything wrong. 672 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 3: I think so. 673 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: So there's another one too, that Emperor U myth is 674 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: a good example of industriousness, people working together, people controlling things. 675 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: Where the Earth has done something crazy, maybe the gods 676 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: were responsible, but humans managed to overcome it, either in 677 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: the form of a savior like Emperor U. There's one 678 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: in Bhutan. I believe there's a legend about Guru Reproach 679 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: and the Zangpo Valley. He shows up and basically drains 680 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: a lake exposing all this fertile farm land where a 681 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: village was then settled or the and I apologize for this, 682 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: I genuinely could not find a pronunciation for it, Chuck, 683 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: I really tried. But the gung ganny g Aboriginal people 684 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: g u n g g a n y j I, 685 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 1: they have one where the tsunami keeps coming and coming 686 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: and the sea levels are rising and rising. So the 687 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 1: people are organizing, get together and start rolling boulders down 688 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: into the sea, and it actually prevents the sea levels 689 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: from rising any further. So I think that's probably my 690 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 1: favorite one. The industriousness and control ones. 691 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 3: It's good stuff. And then people have gotten a little 692 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 3: weird over the years with trying to explain these away. 693 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 3: There was a Hungarian psychoanalyst named Giza Roim in the 694 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 3: nineteen thirties. It said, no, the reason why we have 695 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 3: with these flood myths is because they're just from people's dreams. 696 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 3: And people in ancient times drank a lot of water 697 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 3: and peed a lot at night, and so they dreamt 698 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 3: about floods and told stories about floods. Or maybe it 699 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 3: is the gods urinate, urinating on people like literally which 700 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 3: and there are myths that literally talk about that that 701 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 3: floods a result of God's peeing on earth, But I 702 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 3: don't know about expanding that to like all the cultural 703 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 3: flood myths all over the world for all time. 704 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: Right, And there's others that explain it as like men's 705 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: jealousy of not being able to give birth and that 706 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: it's a reference to the bursting of the amniotic sack 707 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: or something like that. I feel like when psychoanalysis gets involved, 708 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: especially in this day and age, it's kind of like, 709 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: that was a nice try, everybody. Let's just move on 710 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: to geomethology instead, you know, I think, so That's where 711 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: I'm putting my money. Chuck geomethology. It's fantastic stuff. And 712 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: also I should say I want to give a shout 713 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,439 Speaker 1: out to one of our past episodes, Was there real Atlantis? 714 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: We were doing geomethology without even realizing it. 715 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 3: That's right. 716 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: If you want to know more about geomethology and flood myths, 717 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: then just start searching the internet because there's a lot 718 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: of interesting stuff out there about it. And since I 719 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: said that, it's time for a listener, may. 720 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 3: This is a shout out to the one of the 721 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 3: winners of this Stuff you Should Know five k. 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So regarding regardless of 737 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 3: what your status is an athlete is, they're finding ways 738 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 3: for you to get involved, which is really cool. 739 00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:58,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 740 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 3: So this is from Amanda though, writing in to say 741 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 3: that I'm a winner baby. You guys had the best 742 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 3: been listening for years and I was happy to participate 743 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 3: in the virtual stuff you should Know five K this year. 744 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 3: It's a cool event that brought some really nice people 745 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 3: together at our little corner of the internet. 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So today I 752 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 3: listened to Venus fly Traps on the way home and 753 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 3: came across a package addressed Stuff you Should Know five 754 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 3: K champ Amanda Thompson and just about cried and got 755 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 3: a hand crafted by Stuff you should Know Army member 756 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,800 Speaker 3: metal racked for her efforts. And it's really great. 757 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: That's pretty great. She has to buy her own metal though. 758 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 759 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:04,240 Speaker 1: That's fantastic, man. Congratulations Amanda, that's wonderful news. 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That 766 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: Stuff you should Know fans to and it makes us 767 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: love you guys even more. 768 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 3: You got anything else, No, just be able to look 769 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 3: out next late summer fall for news on the Army 770 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:27,959 Speaker 3: Facebook page. 771 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody please remind us ahead of time so we 772 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: can tell everybody else. And if you want to remind 773 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: us of something, we would love to be reminded because 774 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: that probably means we forgot. 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