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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hello, welcome to the studio, Cluilihold.

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Speaker 2: I've been welcomed to this studio so many times.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be listening to an encore presentation of

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Speaker 1: The Marshes.

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Speaker 2: This is one of my favorite episodes.

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Speaker 1: What is it about it that you think makes it

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Speaker 1: a favorite?

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Speaker 2: Part of it is just Steve. I think he is

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Speaker 2: like such a lovable, enjoyable person to hear from, but

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Speaker 2: also just like it's one where I felt genuinely emotional

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Speaker 2: in the reporting at what was unfolding, and then my

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Speaker 2: hope is that we translated that into the episode itself.

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Speaker 1: And this is an episode that you produced. Yes, it

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Speaker 1: is with your own bare hands, well in the computer

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Speaker 1: brick by brick, Yeah, I mean this was years in

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Speaker 1: the making.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was at the time, it was the longest

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Speaker 2: production of an episode.

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Speaker 1: I think this was the first episode that we did

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Speaker 1: not name after an individual but a group of people

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Speaker 1: because we I don't know. By the end of the story,

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Speaker 1: it felt like every single person brought something unique to

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Speaker 1: it and it was everybody's heavyweight in a sense.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, great, let's give it a listen. I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to it's been a while. This is the Marshes,

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Speaker 1: and I should say that at the very end of

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Speaker 1: the episode, we return all these years later with an

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Speaker 1: update from Steve marsh. It's not going to be what

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Speaker 1: you expect. Stick around and find out. Wow, you're not

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Speaker 1: going to believe what you find out. You're not going

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Speaker 1: to believe what he looks like today.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what he looked like originally.

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Speaker 1: But first I invite you to listen to these choice

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Speaker 1: words from our sponsors that as a doctor, would you

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Speaker 1: write me a reference letter for medical school?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I would write a reference letter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what would it say in it?

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't necessarily be favorable, Jonathan.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure a little bit favorable.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 1: Let me get you started, Okay, to whom it may concern,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, you take it over.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: You would be a terrible doctor, the worst ever.

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Speaker 3: You don't listen and you just keep going on and on.

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Speaker 3: You'd be doing all the talking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but a doctor has to ask questions to find

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Speaker 1: out the symptoms.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but you wouldn't actually listen to the answer because

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Speaker 8: you don't listen. You'd be arguing with patients, talking about yourself.

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Speaker 8: If you're just thinking about something else like whoa.

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Speaker 1: Alex just liked one of my tweets from Gimblet Media.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Goldstein and this is heavyweight today's episode The Marshes.

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Speaker 1: I first met Steve marsh at my brother in law's wedding.

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Speaker 1: In conversation that night, Steve was given to making soulful

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Speaker 1: observations punctuated by the word man. Steve is a big guy,

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Speaker 1: shaggy haired, and comfortable in his own skin. He's a

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Speaker 1: perhaps also worth mentioning, though, while Steve wasn't invited to

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Speaker 1: It was there, smoking from his pack of Menthols that

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Speaker 1: So after the wedding we set aside some time to talk.

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Speaker 1: Man, it's great, it's really great. Before getting into it,

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Speaker 5: I know, man, her brothers are pissed at me too.

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Speaker 5: They're like, great, job, dude.

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Speaker 1: With the pleasantries out of the way, we get to

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Speaker 5: My sister had called like fifteen or sixteen times, you know.

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Speaker 1: Steve's sister, Megan Marsh was up at the family sprawling

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Speaker 1: On summer holiday weekends, it's tradition for the entire Marsh

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Speaker 1: This is Steve's sister.

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Speaker 1: Between violent sobs, she explained to Steve what had happened

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Speaker 1: So to keep up her end of the conversation, Megan

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Speaker 5: So standing in this park talking to my sister on

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Speaker 1: It's now been years since the truth came out, and

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Speaker 1: total inertia. But Lisia is never far from any of

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Speaker 1: if Lesha's redhead like him, Kevin scans every room for

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Speaker 1: In the car on the way to go shooting, Steve

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Speaker 5: And he said every day. And we drive it's like

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Speaker 5: It's almost too corny. But there was two ducks, like

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Speaker 5: And it's one of the few times I've seen my

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Speaker 1: But as much as the Marshes think about Lisha, when

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Speaker 1: Sure, the family's intact, and as Steve explains, the marsh

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Speaker 5: Just wondering, like Leisha who was raised in a totally

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Speaker 5: our house was so loud when growing up and h like.

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Speaker 5: I always thought my family's kind of weird. Like they

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Speaker 1: So what what is windsor seven up?

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Speaker 5: That's the Marsh family drink?

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Speaker 1: Man, I pardon my ignorance.

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Speaker 5: Seven and seven man. It could be seagrams too, Canadian

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Speaker 5: whiskey and lemon lime soda.

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Speaker 1: But finding out whether Lesha is like a Marsh steeped

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Speaker 5: So the hospital no longer exists.

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Speaker 1: The hospital where your mom had her.

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Speaker 5: Right and it was a close Catholic adoption, like my

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Speaker 1: Steve has no information about where Lisha ended up. He

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Speaker 5: Like she wants to do it, she said she would

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Speaker 1: And this is why Steve has come to me. He

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Speaker 5: Right, like, let's do this now.

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Speaker 5: I just think we need a little help, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well what you need is your mother to get

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Speaker 1: They were all drunk.

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Speaker 1: That's like what the serpent did in the biblical story.

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Speaker 9: I think so, and I should have never eaten that apple.

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Speaker 1: Soon after, Jeane moved into a new apartment building where,

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Speaker 1: her entire bottle of Windsor, then drunkenly proceeded to show

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Speaker 3: Guns are no big thing for me, because I got

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Speaker 1: How many guns do.

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Speaker 5: You have hitting around the house. There's one over on

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Speaker 1: The party, the bottle of windsor the gun. These are

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Speaker 9: I'm pregnant. I went home and told my mother and

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Speaker 1: Jeane came from a strict Catholic family. When she got pregnant,

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Speaker 9: And my mother came into the hospital and said, you

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Speaker 1: After that week, Jean signed away her parental rights.

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Speaker 9: I didn't think I could raise a child by myself.

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Speaker 9: But she never said what. He never said, hey, let's

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Speaker 9: said it either, But his mother, Alice, just took me

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Speaker 1: You know, Pete's mom told Jean how much the whole

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Speaker 9: And I don't know that Dad and We've never sat

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Speaker 9: of something that happened forty eight years ago.

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Speaker 1: For forty eight years, gene Is quietly marked Alisha's birthday

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Speaker 1: by repeating the same silent prayer. I hope she's having

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Speaker 1: Jeane think twice about ever searching for Lesia. She told

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Speaker 9: Our family was so loud and so you know, drug

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Speaker 9: seems like there was always so much going on. Did

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Speaker 9: I really want to bring somebody else into that? It

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Speaker 5: It was hector.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it was more than hectic. See, And I'd go

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Speaker 1: So while Steve's motivate for seeking out Lesha is pretty simple,

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Speaker 1: For Jean, it's more complicated. Her greatest hope is that

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Speaker 1: It was the Jene's thinking something in the parenting, her parenting.

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Speaker 9: I just want I want the kids, more or less,

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Speaker 9: I'm open to meeting her. I'm open to just pictures,

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Speaker 9: I never.

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Speaker 5: Did you want to have pie?

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Speaker 5: Should I get the ice cream? You want? Ice cream?

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Speaker 5: So do you want to try the writing the letter? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: If Lisia's the percassionaire too, that's the only way we'll know.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what to say.

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Speaker 9: I feel bad because we stayed together, right, and I

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Speaker 9: feel like it's been forty eight years now. Why you're

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Speaker 1: Is what she'll be thinking.

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Speaker 5: Oh, just say hi, how are you?

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Speaker 9: I remember your name, I remember your birthday. I remember

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Speaker 9: To explain the fact that I haven't tried to contact

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Speaker 5: The I don't think we need to get that heavy.

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Speaker 9: God, three years after you were born, your father and

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Speaker 9: back together right after. Oh god, see now it's all

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Speaker 5: Like you can't change the past, and you needed to

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Speaker 9: Married and now have two sons and a daughter who

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Speaker 5: I think all of us would like to meet you if, if,

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Speaker 9: And then just put our names.

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Speaker 1: And we all watch as Gene copies the letter over

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Speaker 5: He did good. Gee, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Steve and I head back to the rental for a while.

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Speaker 1: We just sit there. I think that they're going to

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Speaker 5: It's going to happen this week, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Really you think so?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't happen. It doesn't happen in the next month

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Speaker 11: I'm just nervous that she's like angry about the way

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Speaker 1: Two more months pass and I'm having trouble being a

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Speaker 1: spur to Steve's spurring. Hey, Steve, it's Jonathan speaking, just

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00:27:51,090 --> 00:27:54,410
Speaker 1: calling to check in. I can't get a hold of anyone,

442
00:27:55,129 --> 00:28:01,210
Speaker 1: mister and missus marsh this is the man who came

443
00:28:01,250 --> 00:28:04,489
Speaker 1: over to your home some time ago. Another two months

444
00:28:04,530 --> 00:28:08,810
Speaker 1: go by and still no movement, and so I decide

445
00:28:08,889 --> 00:28:12,010
Speaker 1: that maybe it's better to just leave them be. Maybe

446
00:28:12,050 --> 00:28:14,649
Speaker 1: the Marshes would rather just forget the whole thing and

447
00:28:14,770 --> 00:28:17,290
Speaker 1: go back to being the same Marshes they always were.

448
00:28:25,290 --> 00:28:29,449
Speaker 4: Hello, Gene, Yes, High Jonathan.

449
00:28:30,530 --> 00:28:33,250
Speaker 1: And then, after a half a year of foot dragging,

450
00:28:33,609 --> 00:28:36,770
Speaker 1: I unexpectedly get word that Gene has mailed the letter

451
00:28:36,970 --> 00:28:41,090
Speaker 1: and the application. From there, a social worker was assigned

452
00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:44,770
Speaker 1: to the case. Her job to find Lisha and ask

453
00:28:44,850 --> 00:28:48,010
Speaker 1: if she's open to receiving Gene's letter, And not long

454
00:28:48,050 --> 00:28:51,210
Speaker 1: after that, the social worker gave Jane an update.

455
00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:59,209
Speaker 4: She got a call from Alesia and she said she

456
00:28:59,810 --> 00:29:02,850
Speaker 4: was very open to seeing my letters.

457
00:29:24,050 --> 00:29:29,729
Speaker 1: Okays on coffee, Yeah, I'll have a coffee, Mom, I

458
00:29:29,850 --> 00:29:33,130
Speaker 1: brought Canola's and back at the Marshes to catch up.

459
00:29:33,890 --> 00:29:36,450
Speaker 1: Once Alicia said she was open to seeing Jeane's letter,

460
00:29:36,850 --> 00:29:39,930
Speaker 1: the social worker mailed it onto her, but after that

461
00:29:40,330 --> 00:29:44,770
Speaker 1: Jean heard nothing for months. Then one afternoon at work,

462
00:29:45,170 --> 00:29:48,810
Speaker 1: Jean got an email from the social worker, the subject,

463
00:29:48,810 --> 00:29:53,410
Speaker 1: having read the letter You've been waiting for. Attached was

464
00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:55,850
Speaker 1: a scanned copy of a letter from Lesia.

465
00:29:56,770 --> 00:30:01,650
Speaker 9: Dear Jean and Pete, thank you for your patience while

466
00:30:01,730 --> 00:30:06,650
Speaker 9: I formulate my first response to your letter. My name

467
00:30:06,730 --> 00:30:08,850
Speaker 9: is Natalie and I grew up in a suburb of.

468
00:30:10,090 --> 00:30:13,370
Speaker 1: Lesha is now Natalie, and it turns out she grew

469
00:30:13,450 --> 00:30:16,450
Speaker 1: up just twenty miles from where the Marshes lived. Her

470
00:30:16,490 --> 00:30:19,290
Speaker 1: adoptive parents are even graduates of the same high school

471
00:30:19,290 --> 00:30:23,090
Speaker 1: as Jeanne. Growing up, Natalie always knew she was adopted,

472
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:26,090
Speaker 1: and she loved the parents who raised her Natalie is

473
00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:27,970
Speaker 1: now married with two kids.

474
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:31,050
Speaker 9: The best advice I've received since I opened your letter

475
00:30:31,570 --> 00:30:34,450
Speaker 9: was to take it slow. And then she sent a

476
00:30:34,490 --> 00:30:36,890
Speaker 9: picture when she was a little girl.

477
00:30:37,810 --> 00:30:38,930
Speaker 1: Do you see a resemblance.

478
00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:40,930
Speaker 5: Oh, she's definitely a marsh man.

479
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:48,810
Speaker 9: Yeah, Dear Natalie. Pete and I were so happy to

480
00:30:48,850 --> 00:30:52,770
Speaker 9: receive your letter and picture. It was truly an answer

481
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:56,049
Speaker 9: to my prayers. Let me know if you have any questions,

482
00:30:56,170 --> 00:30:58,450
Speaker 9: I will try to answer them to the best of

483
00:30:58,490 --> 00:30:59,209
Speaker 9: my ability.

484
00:31:00,290 --> 00:31:03,170
Speaker 1: And so a correspondence begins.

485
00:31:03,010 --> 00:31:05,610
Speaker 9: Your Gene and Pete. Dear Natalie, who did I get

486
00:31:05,730 --> 00:31:08,570
Speaker 9: my auburn hair from? Hee was a redhead? Can I

487
00:31:08,650 --> 00:31:11,970
Speaker 9: thank my una brow? When I was young? Grandfather had

488
00:31:12,130 --> 00:31:16,450
Speaker 9: very bushy eyebrows, so he's probably the culprit now love

489
00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:24,330
Speaker 9: Jean and Pete.

490
00:31:25,730 --> 00:31:29,170
Speaker 1: Natalie is taking its low. She's cautious and Gene is

491
00:31:29,209 --> 00:31:33,249
Speaker 1: following her lead. But sometimes you can get overwhelming.

492
00:31:34,050 --> 00:31:36,930
Speaker 9: Dear Natalie, we want to wish you the happiest of

493
00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:41,010
Speaker 9: birthdays on the seventeenth. I've wished it every year since

494
00:31:41,010 --> 00:31:44,690
Speaker 9: you were born, and I'm so happy I can finally

495
00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:49,650
Speaker 9: tell you. I hope someday we can meet, but until then,

496
00:31:49,850 --> 00:31:52,530
Speaker 9: no You've been loved, Pete and Jene.

497
00:31:54,930 --> 00:31:56,850
Speaker 1: Natalie's responses are gracious.

498
00:31:57,410 --> 00:32:00,810
Speaker 9: Dear Jeane and Pete. My kids constantly asked me about

499
00:32:00,850 --> 00:32:03,930
Speaker 9: the day they were born. We moms think about those

500
00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:07,170
Speaker 9: moments always. Someday you will have to tell me about

501
00:32:07,290 --> 00:32:07,890
Speaker 9: our day.

502
00:32:09,410 --> 00:32:12,570
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of some days, no specific plans.

503
00:32:13,209 --> 00:32:16,650
Speaker 1: Even after months of correspondence, Gene and Natalie are still

504
00:32:16,690 --> 00:32:20,770
Speaker 1: going through Stacy the social worker. They don't exchange phone numbers,

505
00:32:21,170 --> 00:32:25,410
Speaker 1: they don't even know each other's email addresses. It's tentative.

506
00:32:25,890 --> 00:32:29,850
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I've had a relationship with these three

507
00:32:29,970 --> 00:32:34,970
Speaker 9: kids for forty years, you know, and I haven't had

508
00:32:35,010 --> 00:32:38,969
Speaker 9: that with her. And sometimes that's sad, you know that

509
00:32:39,050 --> 00:32:41,930
Speaker 9: we don't have that. But I think we'll get there.

510
00:32:42,970 --> 00:32:44,410
Speaker 1: You want to get there? Yeah, I would like to

511
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:49,850
Speaker 1: get there. Gene finds herself staring at Natalie's picture while

512
00:32:49,890 --> 00:32:52,970
Speaker 1: she's at work, idly thinking about what the little girl

513
00:32:53,010 --> 00:32:56,209
Speaker 1: in the photos childhood was like, and then comes the

514
00:32:56,250 --> 00:32:58,370
Speaker 1: guilt in not having been able to give her what

515
00:32:58,410 --> 00:33:02,249
Speaker 1: she needed. And all the while Natalie is so close,

516
00:33:03,170 --> 00:33:05,090
Speaker 1: why don't you call her up and say come out over?

517
00:33:05,450 --> 00:33:08,490
Speaker 9: No, because she doesn't want that then we all don't

518
00:33:08,490 --> 00:33:09,090
Speaker 9: live it to be a.

519
00:33:10,770 --> 00:33:13,330
Speaker 5: One hundred years old the same time, that's true, you

520
00:33:14,250 --> 00:33:15,810
Speaker 5: are going to run out of time pretty soon.

521
00:33:17,650 --> 00:33:21,210
Speaker 1: Well, for Pete, it's pretty straight ahead. For Jane, it's

522
00:33:21,250 --> 00:33:25,489
Speaker 1: more complicated. Jane wants Natalie to enter her life, but

523
00:33:25,570 --> 00:33:28,130
Speaker 1: at the same time she worries about what Natalie will

524
00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:31,209
Speaker 1: make of that life. How will Jeane be able to

525
00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:34,370
Speaker 1: have Natalie over to her home. In Jeane's mind, the

526
00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:38,249
Speaker 1: place is always so untidy, the grouting in the bathroom unfinished,

527
00:33:38,650 --> 00:33:42,489
Speaker 1: the tiles in the entryway in need of repair. So

528
00:33:42,530 --> 00:33:45,650
Speaker 1: while Jeane's wait for Natalie is filled with hope, it's

529
00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:55,009
Speaker 1: also filled with fear. Time ticks by. Natalie and Jeane

530
00:33:55,050 --> 00:33:59,450
Speaker 1: continue to exchange letters, and eventually Natalie decides they don't

531
00:33:59,450 --> 00:34:02,569
Speaker 1: have to go through Stacy the social worker anymore. They

532
00:34:02,570 --> 00:34:06,090
Speaker 1: can email each other directly, and a few months after that,

533
00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:10,330
Speaker 1: Gene asks Natalie for her phone number. I just want

534
00:34:10,370 --> 00:34:13,010
Speaker 1: to be able to hear your voice sometimes, Gene says,

535
00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:23,890
Speaker 1: and Natalie says yes. Steve's wedding is a month away.

536
00:34:24,610 --> 00:34:27,610
Speaker 1: It's been a full year since Natalie received that first letter,

537
00:34:28,050 --> 00:34:30,650
Speaker 1: and Steve wants to invite her to the wedding, but

538
00:34:30,730 --> 00:34:33,090
Speaker 1: Jeane doesn't think a big family event is the right

539
00:34:33,130 --> 00:34:35,810
Speaker 1: setting for everyone to meet for the first time, so

540
00:34:35,890 --> 00:34:38,210
Speaker 1: Gene asks Natalie if they can all go out for dinner.

541
00:34:39,090 --> 00:34:42,010
Speaker 1: Natalie writes back and says, I think we can make

542
00:34:42,050 --> 00:34:42,610
Speaker 1: that happen.

543
00:34:47,690 --> 00:34:49,529
Speaker 4: Hi, how are you?

544
00:34:51,810 --> 00:34:56,090
Speaker 1: Doggie? And today's the day. I arrive at Steve's house

545
00:34:56,130 --> 00:34:58,610
Speaker 1: as he gets ready to meet Natalie for dinner. His

546
00:34:58,690 --> 00:35:02,330
Speaker 1: fiance Maggie and his brother Kevin are there too. Nice

547
00:35:02,370 --> 00:35:07,730
Speaker 1: to see you. I'm Jonah, Kevin, how are you good?

548
00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:11,330
Speaker 1: Steve is ly Kevin a pair of jeans because Kevin

549
00:35:11,450 --> 00:35:14,370
Speaker 1: was wearing shorts and feared they might not be appropriate

550
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:17,490
Speaker 1: for meeting your sister for the first time. Steve is

551
00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:18,410
Speaker 1: still getting dressed.

552
00:35:18,930 --> 00:35:21,530
Speaker 5: This is my only pair of clean pants at the moment.

553
00:35:22,410 --> 00:35:24,530
Speaker 5: I don't want my new sister to smell me, you

554
00:35:24,570 --> 00:35:27,850
Speaker 5: know what I mean. That'd be awful, right, So I

555
00:35:27,890 --> 00:35:29,130
Speaker 5: want to appear to be clean.

556
00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:36,930
Speaker 1: Since the Marshes are worried about making a good impression,

557
00:35:37,370 --> 00:35:41,010
Speaker 1: they barred me and my microphone from the dinner. This

558
00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:46,530
Speaker 1: in spite of my important work documenting and interloping. Instead

559
00:35:46,530 --> 00:35:51,090
Speaker 1: of saying, all of you rotten folks. I tell Steve

560
00:35:51,330 --> 00:35:55,170
Speaker 1: that it's all good. Hey, I'm getting pretty good at

561
00:35:55,170 --> 00:35:56,250
Speaker 1: this Minnesota talk.

562
00:35:58,410 --> 00:35:59,330
Speaker 5: I think we should.

563
00:35:59,090 --> 00:36:02,930
Speaker 10: Leave in five or ten minutes, okay, and we should

564
00:36:02,970 --> 00:36:03,490
Speaker 10: not spoke we.

565
00:36:05,010 --> 00:36:05,330
Speaker 2: Earlier.

566
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:20,569
Speaker 5: I took emon Ye've got it turns out very off.

567
00:36:21,130 --> 00:36:24,250
Speaker 1: Steve has made a reservation at a pizza restaurant. On

568
00:36:24,330 --> 00:36:28,370
Speaker 1: the drive there, he worries, but as usual, it isn't

569
00:36:28,370 --> 00:36:28,970
Speaker 1: for himself.

570
00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:31,890
Speaker 5: I worry about my mom.

571
00:36:32,930 --> 00:36:36,930
Speaker 1: The worry has always been twofold. Firstly, what if Natalie's

572
00:36:36,930 --> 00:36:39,570
Speaker 1: life hasn't turned out well and it's all Jeane's fault

573
00:36:39,610 --> 00:36:42,530
Speaker 1: for having given her up. But based on Gene and

574
00:36:42,610 --> 00:36:46,610
Speaker 1: Natalie's correspondence, Natalie has a nice husband, sweet kids, and

575
00:36:46,650 --> 00:36:49,450
Speaker 1: a career that keeps her busy, flying to far off

576
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:53,490
Speaker 1: places like Mexico City and Singapore. So now, with that

577
00:36:53,570 --> 00:36:57,890
Speaker 1: first worry allayed, the second worry rears its head. What

578
00:36:57,930 --> 00:37:00,530
Speaker 1: if Natalie is not only not in bad shape, but

579
00:37:00,570 --> 00:37:04,130
Speaker 1: in great shape, all due to Jane's lack of parenting.

580
00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:08,490
Speaker 1: In other words, Steve's now worried that, as far as

581
00:37:08,570 --> 00:37:13,090
Speaker 1: Jean might believe, it isn't the Jeans, it's Gene.

582
00:37:13,570 --> 00:37:16,370
Speaker 5: A person with the same genetic makeup as your three kids.

583
00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:23,450
Speaker 5: Who did I get all these things? So? Yeah, there's

584
00:37:24,210 --> 00:37:26,250
Speaker 5: I think there's some pain there, man, Like there's some

585
00:37:26,290 --> 00:37:29,970
Speaker 5: pain with my mom, like that she failed us or something,

586
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:37,130
Speaker 5: or that we failed her. Oh shit, it's six eighteen.

587
00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:38,010
Speaker 5: Are we gonna make it?

588
00:37:38,170 --> 00:37:38,490
Speaker 9: Yeah?

589
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:40,410
Speaker 1: Hoday, isn't it supposed to be six forty five? You

590
00:37:40,450 --> 00:37:42,650
Speaker 1: guys are reading thirty six thirty? Oh but your folks

591
00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:44,690
Speaker 1: will be there, are they?

592
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:47,330
Speaker 5: Our family is free, disposed towards me and late all

593
00:37:47,370 --> 00:37:47,890
Speaker 5: the time.

594
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:51,330
Speaker 1: A few blocks from the restaurant, Steve drops me off

595
00:37:51,370 --> 00:37:53,610
Speaker 1: at the side of the road. He says, they'll let

596
00:37:53,610 --> 00:37:56,210
Speaker 1: me know how it goes. Okay, by you guys have fun.

597
00:38:06,210 --> 00:38:09,690
Speaker 1: Later I'll learn that Pete, Jean and Megan were uncoaracteristically

598
00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:12,770
Speaker 1: on time and are there to greet Natalie and her husband.

599
00:38:12,810 --> 00:38:17,130
Speaker 1: When they arrive, Gina hugs Natalie and introduces her to Megan.

600
00:38:17,890 --> 00:38:21,210
Speaker 1: Natalie and Megan stare at each other. They look so similar.

601
00:38:22,170 --> 00:38:25,010
Speaker 1: I wish I could wear my hair like that, Natalie says,

602
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:29,450
Speaker 1: and Megan smiles. Steve, Maggie, and Kevin arrive as the

603
00:38:29,490 --> 00:38:32,850
Speaker 1: table is being prepared. While they wait, they all make

604
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:36,529
Speaker 1: nervous small talk. Pete fills the silence by talking about

605
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:40,330
Speaker 1: how old his shoes are. About fishing. The others join in,

606
00:38:40,450 --> 00:38:43,730
Speaker 1: talking about goldfish they've owned, the relative merits of pac

607
00:38:43,810 --> 00:38:56,490
Speaker 1: Man versus misspac Man restaurants they like. They compare their heights. Eventually,

608
00:38:56,530 --> 00:38:59,090
Speaker 1: the host leads them outside to a round wooden table

609
00:38:59,130 --> 00:39:02,530
Speaker 1: built around a tree. The group orders pizza and wine.

610
00:39:03,130 --> 00:39:07,690
Speaker 1: They all cheers. Everyone has questions for Natalie. They don't

611
00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:10,690
Speaker 1: totally understand what her j but it has something to

612
00:39:10,690 --> 00:39:14,210
Speaker 1: do with selling accounting software all over the world. They

613
00:39:14,290 --> 00:39:17,490
Speaker 1: get the impression that she's in charge of things. Natalie

614
00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:21,050
Speaker 1: has a confidence. She sits beside Kevin, who shows her

615
00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:23,330
Speaker 1: a photo of himself coming in second in a hot

616
00:39:23,330 --> 00:39:28,730
Speaker 1: dog eating contest. Natalie seems impressed. During the salad course,

617
00:39:28,810 --> 00:39:31,410
Speaker 1: Jeane tells the story of how when Steve first found

618
00:39:31,410 --> 00:39:35,410
Speaker 1: out about Natalie, he joked, thanks for keeping me mom.

619
00:39:35,850 --> 00:39:39,610
Speaker 1: It's not too late. Natalie interjects, you could still be abandoned.

620
00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:45,130
Speaker 1: Everyone laughs. Natalie shares the Martia's dark sense of humor.

621
00:39:46,210 --> 00:39:54,450
Speaker 1: It looks like Natalie is coming to Steve's wedding. It's

622
00:39:54,490 --> 00:39:56,330
Speaker 1: the kind of night where it seems like it could

623
00:39:56,410 --> 00:40:00,290
Speaker 1: rain at any minute, so Jeane grabs the check. Steve

624
00:40:00,330 --> 00:40:02,530
Speaker 1: sees the look on her face as she glances it

625
00:40:02,570 --> 00:40:07,930
Speaker 1: over Mom. He says quietly, so Natalie won't hear. We'll

626
00:40:07,930 --> 00:40:11,370
Speaker 1: help you. The kids all go home that night and

627
00:40:11,410 --> 00:40:15,530
Speaker 1: request Natalie's friendship on Facebook. Jeane and Pete drive home,

628
00:40:15,730 --> 00:40:17,610
Speaker 1: with Jeanne smiling all the way.

629
00:40:18,850 --> 00:40:22,090
Speaker 12: When we came home that night, Pete was opening the

630
00:40:22,170 --> 00:40:24,410
Speaker 12: door and I just put my hand on his shoulder

631
00:40:24,450 --> 00:40:27,730
Speaker 12: and I said, you know, Dad looked out for her

632
00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:32,930
Speaker 12: all these years, and so we've been blessed, We truly have.

633
00:40:33,890 --> 00:40:38,650
Speaker 12: It was joyous. All the kids are so comfortable. Everybody

634
00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:42,250
Speaker 12: was asking questions. There was a lot of laughter. There

635
00:40:42,330 --> 00:40:45,930
Speaker 12: was a lot of you know, joking and talking, and

636
00:40:46,970 --> 00:40:48,250
Speaker 12: it was very emotional.

637
00:40:50,010 --> 00:40:52,850
Speaker 6: And there's still a lot of thought process there that's

638
00:40:52,930 --> 00:40:57,970
Speaker 6: gonna maybe be with me all my life. But I

639
00:40:58,130 --> 00:41:01,489
Speaker 6: know that she had a good life and she's got

640
00:41:01,490 --> 00:41:06,130
Speaker 6: a wonderful life now. I couldn't have asked for anything more.

641
00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:08,010
Speaker 6: I really couldn't have.

642
00:41:13,650 --> 00:41:16,370
Speaker 1: You felt like you wanted Natalie to have a good life,

643
00:41:17,090 --> 00:41:19,730
Speaker 1: but that was complicated because you felt like it might

644
00:41:19,810 --> 00:41:23,330
Speaker 1: reflect on your parenting in some way, So I'm wondering,

645
00:41:23,770 --> 00:41:24,970
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that?

646
00:41:25,090 --> 00:41:25,370
Speaker 5: Now?

647
00:41:29,130 --> 00:41:34,770
Speaker 7: You still have guilt, But I think I just realized

648
00:41:34,850 --> 00:41:40,250
Speaker 7: that no matter what I did or didn't do, they've

649
00:41:40,290 --> 00:41:46,610
Speaker 7: all grown up to be wonderful human beings and we

650
00:41:46,690 --> 00:41:47,330
Speaker 7: can move on.

651
00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:52,090
Speaker 1: All the things Jean had worried about, that Natalie might

652
00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:54,650
Speaker 1: resent her, that the family might be too much for her,

653
00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:58,450
Speaker 1: in the end didn't matter. That night at the restaurant,

654
00:41:58,610 --> 00:42:01,730
Speaker 1: things were simple. They were all just happy to be together.

655
00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:11,650
Speaker 1: But there's still one thing. For months, Steve's priority has

656
00:42:11,650 --> 00:42:14,210
Speaker 1: been his mom's feelings, the effect all of this is

657
00:42:14,250 --> 00:42:17,770
Speaker 1: having on her. All the while, though a feeling of

658
00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:21,770
Speaker 1: his own was slowly taking shape. At the pizza restaurant,

659
00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:24,890
Speaker 1: Steven wanted to say something to Natalie all night, but

660
00:42:24,930 --> 00:42:26,010
Speaker 1: he couldn't find the words.

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00:42:26,730 --> 00:42:29,610
Speaker 10: What I really wish I would have told her is

662
00:42:29,770 --> 00:42:33,890
Speaker 10: thank you man, Thank you for you you existing, like

663
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:36,850
Speaker 10: your miracle of coming to the world and the way

664
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:38,810
Speaker 10: it happened, like brought my parents back together.

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00:42:40,090 --> 00:42:43,370
Speaker 1: But then, how do you thank someone a stranger for

666
00:42:43,450 --> 00:42:46,170
Speaker 1: giving your family life, for giving you life?

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00:42:47,170 --> 00:42:48,650
Speaker 5: Hey, how are you good?

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00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:49,650
Speaker 4: You?

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00:42:50,370 --> 00:42:53,450
Speaker 1: In my role as loyal spur, I've invited Stephen Natalie

670
00:42:53,490 --> 00:42:55,690
Speaker 1: to my office so Steve can at least give it

671
00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:58,730
Speaker 1: a try. It's the first time Steve and Natalie have

672
00:42:58,810 --> 00:43:01,290
Speaker 1: gotten to talk one on one since this all began.

673
00:43:02,850 --> 00:43:07,370
Speaker 13: I never thought I never thought someone would search for me.

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00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:09,690
Speaker 1: This is Natalie.

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00:43:10,810 --> 00:43:14,250
Speaker 5: Wow, He's never he never even considered that.

676
00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:19,650
Speaker 1: Steve explains that during the search, the marsh is worried

677
00:43:19,690 --> 00:43:22,210
Speaker 1: that they might not live up to Natalie's expectations.

678
00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:25,010
Speaker 5: You know, you're you're such an accomplished person.

679
00:43:26,290 --> 00:43:30,130
Speaker 13: Well, gosh, my LinkedIn profile is really doing its job

680
00:43:31,850 --> 00:43:32,810
Speaker 13: of a pr major.

681
00:43:34,610 --> 00:43:37,930
Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, like you seem like such a funny,

682
00:43:38,290 --> 00:43:42,930
Speaker 5: like even keel person, you know, like like you have

683
00:43:42,970 --> 00:43:47,330
Speaker 5: a wicked sense of humor. It's just it's cool. It's cool,

684
00:43:47,730 --> 00:43:51,930
Speaker 5: Like you're funny. You know, you're wearing you have an

685
00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:54,250
Speaker 5: iPhone watch and you're killing it. You know what I mean.

686
00:43:54,690 --> 00:43:57,850
Speaker 13: That was a gift. Everything's a gift, my husband, that's all. No,

687
00:43:57,890 --> 00:44:01,090
Speaker 13: but don't put me on a pedestal. I don't deserve it.

688
00:44:02,130 --> 00:44:04,690
Speaker 1: Natalie's uncomfortable with her life being held up as a

689
00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:07,770
Speaker 1: success story. She tries to explain that her house had

690
00:44:07,770 --> 00:44:10,570
Speaker 1: its own share of chaos. Her brother faced some of

691
00:44:10,610 --> 00:44:13,450
Speaker 1: the same challenges with drugs and other troubles that the

692
00:44:13,490 --> 00:44:16,570
Speaker 1: Marsh kids faced. It feels like what she's trying to

693
00:44:16,610 --> 00:44:20,570
Speaker 1: say is blood parenting. I don't know why things turned

694
00:44:20,610 --> 00:44:28,090
Speaker 1: out the way they have, but Steve is undeterred in

695
00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:33,090
Speaker 1: his effort to offer Natalie credit, and so tentatively he

696
00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:35,290
Speaker 1: gets to the thing he's been trying to say for

697
00:44:35,330 --> 00:44:36,090
Speaker 1: a while now.

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00:44:37,210 --> 00:44:43,410
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like it's weird to thank somebody

699
00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:50,130
Speaker 5: who didn't elect to be adopted, But like, maybe my

700
00:44:50,250 --> 00:44:55,010
Speaker 5: parents would have never gotten back together if it wasn't

701
00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:59,930
Speaker 5: for you. You brought them together. Like I think it

702
00:45:00,050 --> 00:45:03,690
Speaker 5: was kind of a fling kind of situation and it

703
00:45:03,850 --> 00:45:07,770
Speaker 5: turned into a like a forty five year marriage, you know,

704
00:45:07,810 --> 00:45:12,090
Speaker 5: a fifty year Like I don't know the exact stats.

705
00:45:11,970 --> 00:45:12,050
Speaker 3: But.

706
00:45:14,010 --> 00:45:17,170
Speaker 1: Natalie can see that Steve is struggling. But she's struggling

707
00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:20,850
Speaker 1: to if Steve is trying to say thanks for my life,

708
00:45:21,450 --> 00:45:26,010
Speaker 1: how does she simply say you're welcome. So instead, Natalie

709
00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:28,650
Speaker 1: offers thanks of her own in the way of a

710
00:45:28,690 --> 00:45:33,810
Speaker 1: story about Steve's mom. In her mom, when my mom.

711
00:45:33,650 --> 00:45:37,930
Speaker 13: Was around, she and I were really really close. She

712
00:45:38,130 --> 00:45:41,930
Speaker 13: wanted to think, you know what you know? I wish

713
00:45:41,970 --> 00:45:44,410
Speaker 13: I could think her, She kept saying, I just wish

714
00:45:44,450 --> 00:45:50,090
Speaker 13: I could think her. Oh right, And when she passed

715
00:45:50,090 --> 00:45:54,730
Speaker 13: away in two thousand and four, she couldn't. Yeah, So

716
00:45:55,170 --> 00:45:59,570
Speaker 13: the first thing I wanted to do was do the thinking.

717
00:46:01,090 --> 00:46:08,570
Speaker 13: That decision set the trajectory of my life. I'm so

718
00:46:09,250 --> 00:46:11,210
Speaker 13: so lucky to be where I'm at.

719
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:15,610
Speaker 1: In the end, Steve and Natalie are both grateful for

720
00:46:15,650 --> 00:46:18,770
Speaker 1: the same thing, the family that they ended up with.

721
00:46:24,970 --> 00:46:26,410
Speaker 1: Everyone always asked.

722
00:46:26,690 --> 00:46:30,490
Speaker 13: Well, have you ever thought of reaching out? I always

723
00:46:30,570 --> 00:46:34,730
Speaker 13: had the answer, I'm like, no, I'm good. I have

724
00:46:34,810 --> 00:46:37,410
Speaker 13: a great family. You know, once I open that door,

725
00:46:37,450 --> 00:46:41,410
Speaker 13: I can never close it. When I received the letter,

726
00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:48,650
Speaker 13: I can honestly say I didn't have this figured out,

727
00:46:48,970 --> 00:46:51,930
Speaker 13: and I thought about what my path would be and

728
00:46:52,090 --> 00:46:56,250
Speaker 13: if I'm on a crossroad of do I pursue this

729
00:46:56,770 --> 00:46:58,050
Speaker 13: or do I let it go.

730
00:46:59,690 --> 00:47:02,690
Speaker 1: As Natalie speaks, you can see a thought flashed across

731
00:47:02,690 --> 00:47:06,130
Speaker 1: Steve's face. All this time, he's been trying to thank

732
00:47:06,210 --> 00:47:09,770
Speaker 1: Natalie for something she didn't even decide, rather than for

733
00:47:09,850 --> 00:47:11,170
Speaker 1: the thing that she did decide.

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Speaker 5: When you put it like that way, when you put

735
00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:18,330
Speaker 5: it like that, like you did have a choice here

736
00:47:18,370 --> 00:47:21,330
Speaker 5: whether to even talk to us, you know, like like

737
00:47:21,490 --> 00:47:24,370
Speaker 5: you could have been like no, you risk you open

738
00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:27,570
Speaker 5: the door, like and and so yeah, I guess Natalie,

739
00:47:27,570 --> 00:47:30,130
Speaker 5: I do thank you for that, man. Like the way

740
00:47:30,490 --> 00:47:35,130
Speaker 5: that you've been with my mom has been super cool man,

741
00:47:35,530 --> 00:47:43,970
Speaker 5: And I I thank you for that. Oh well, I

742
00:47:44,050 --> 00:47:48,890
Speaker 5: like she kind of deserves like uh, I think like

743
00:47:49,210 --> 00:47:53,489
Speaker 5: cool stuff in life, you know, and like you've been

744
00:47:53,530 --> 00:47:59,570
Speaker 5: really cool man, that's choice.

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00:48:09,130 --> 00:48:11,330
Speaker 1: It's been two and a half years since the search

746
00:48:11,370 --> 00:48:15,450
Speaker 1: for Natalie began, and in that time, Natalie's interactions with

747
00:48:15,490 --> 00:48:20,010
Speaker 1: the Marshes have been based around occasions Jean's birthday, Steve's wedding.

748
00:48:20,890 --> 00:48:24,370
Speaker 1: But today they're all just hanging out. Steve and his

749
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:27,050
Speaker 1: new wife, Maggie wanted to have everyone over for a

750
00:48:27,050 --> 00:48:31,410
Speaker 1: backyard barbecue, even me. On our way to the yard,

751
00:48:31,610 --> 00:48:34,130
Speaker 1: Steve gives me a quick tour of the house, his

752
00:48:34,210 --> 00:48:41,850
Speaker 1: shelves loaded with the books. His plans is that indigenous

753
00:48:41,850 --> 00:48:42,570
Speaker 1: to this area.

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00:48:44,530 --> 00:48:46,090
Speaker 5: Oh.

755
00:48:46,570 --> 00:48:50,010
Speaker 1: Natalie shows up with her husband and two kids. Pete,

756
00:48:50,290 --> 00:48:52,970
Speaker 1: the tough guy who thought about Natalie every day for

757
00:48:53,010 --> 00:48:55,610
Speaker 1: almost fifty years, is there to greet them.

758
00:48:56,010 --> 00:49:01,370
Speaker 5: Well, how you guys, been. Oh good, here, I gotta

759
00:49:01,370 --> 00:49:03,850
Speaker 5: have a hawk absolutely oh.

760
00:49:06,810 --> 00:49:09,930
Speaker 1: Shortly after, Kevin shows up with a bottle of vodka

761
00:49:10,170 --> 00:49:11,610
Speaker 1: and a big bag of Frisbees.

762
00:49:12,050 --> 00:49:15,370
Speaker 5: Who dotesn't play frisbee? Hey?

763
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:22,090
Speaker 1: And then Megan, who heads straight for Natalie. But there's

764
00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:23,489
Speaker 1: one person who's running late.

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00:49:24,010 --> 00:49:26,010
Speaker 11: Should I call your moon and see who she is, sir?

766
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:30,490
Speaker 1: As it turns out, Jeane is still stuck at the

767
00:49:30,490 --> 00:49:33,650
Speaker 1: grocery store buying some last minute stuff for the party.

768
00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:40,050
Speaker 1: Classic Steve says the Marshes are unorganized, chronically late, and

769
00:49:40,090 --> 00:49:45,130
Speaker 1: maybe that's true. Or maybe Jeane is pacing the aisles procrastinating,

770
00:49:45,730 --> 00:49:48,290
Speaker 1: nervous about what Natalie might make of how the Marshes

771
00:49:48,370 --> 00:49:57,250
Speaker 1: live with their ayahuasca plants and vodka Frisbees. But in

772
00:49:57,290 --> 00:50:01,570
Speaker 1: the end, Jeane doesn't wait years, weeks, days, or hours.

773
00:50:02,370 --> 00:50:10,930
Speaker 1: She's only late by fifteen minutes. Maybe Jeane wasn't procrastinating

774
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:14,650
Speaker 1: at all. Maybe she wanted to show up late to

775
00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:18,170
Speaker 1: be the last one to walk into the backyard with

776
00:50:18,210 --> 00:50:22,529
Speaker 1: everyone already there and see the whole family hanging out,

777
00:50:23,090 --> 00:50:26,970
Speaker 1: joking and talking, everyone just happy to be together.

778
00:50:27,490 --> 00:51:04,170
Speaker 14: Oh my god, Now that the fernitures rip turned.

779
00:51:04,090 --> 00:51:05,850
Speaker 1: To its Goodwill Home.

780
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:13,850
Speaker 14: Now that the last months, Rand is scheming with the.

781
00:51:13,970 --> 00:51:16,890
Speaker 10: Damage to pos take this moment to.

782
00:51:17,370 --> 00:51:30,530
Speaker 1: Say he felt around for though from the baby's exit.

783
00:51:30,690 --> 00:51:35,489
Speaker 5: And I got a message from Natalie yesterday. I got

784
00:51:35,490 --> 00:51:38,490
Speaker 5: a text happy sibling Day. It was a sibling day yesterday.

785
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:40,410
Speaker 1: Are you guys in regular touch?

786
00:51:40,570 --> 00:51:44,210
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Like we have a family text thread named

787
00:51:44,210 --> 00:51:48,010
Speaker 5: after the episode. It's called the Marshes. But uh, like,

788
00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:53,290
Speaker 5: just my mom was over to babysit Monroe last night,

789
00:51:53,730 --> 00:51:57,490
Speaker 5: your son, my son. Yeah, and uh my mom was

790
00:51:57,530 --> 00:51:59,610
Speaker 5: just like on the phone with Natalie and there's Natalie.

791
00:51:59,690 --> 00:52:01,930
Speaker 5: You know, they're talking about Natalie was talking about work,

792
00:52:02,170 --> 00:52:05,850
Speaker 5: like they're It's just cool to see, man. You know,

793
00:52:06,090 --> 00:52:09,330
Speaker 5: like my mom has a relationship with her. I have

794
00:52:09,370 --> 00:52:13,890
Speaker 5: a relationship with her. I went to her son's basketball

795
00:52:13,930 --> 00:52:15,529
Speaker 5: game and brought my son.

796
00:52:16,050 --> 00:52:17,969
Speaker 1: It's really nice. So you're doing stuff like that.

797
00:52:19,090 --> 00:52:21,890
Speaker 5: I wanted to knit our families together, you know, in

798
00:52:21,930 --> 00:52:26,410
Speaker 5: a way. And I asked Natalie if she would be

799
00:52:26,650 --> 00:52:27,530
Speaker 5: Monroe's godmother.

800
00:52:28,330 --> 00:52:31,250
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's so nice to hear. What would she say?

801
00:52:31,850 --> 00:52:37,850
Speaker 5: Yeah, she was down. You know, she's like a late

802
00:52:37,890 --> 00:52:39,890
Speaker 5: in the game kind of gift from the universe.

803
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:41,410
Speaker 1: That's really nice, Steve.

804
00:52:42,250 --> 00:52:45,250
Speaker 5: It worked out, man. It turned out to have a

805
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:46,090
Speaker 5: really happy ending.

806
00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:48,529
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're friends as a result.

807
00:52:48,730 --> 00:52:51,410
Speaker 5: And then we're friends as a result. I live here

808
00:52:51,410 --> 00:52:53,210
Speaker 5: now and now you guys live in our neighborhood.

809
00:52:53,330 --> 00:52:54,529
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, we do.

810
00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:58,290
Speaker 5: Yeah. Do you want a babysit Monroe on Tuesday? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Always, that'd be great. Thanks to everyone who helped put

812
00:53:11,610 --> 00:53:14,850
Speaker 1: this episode together. We'll be back next week with another

813
00:53:15,050 --> 00:53:19,130
Speaker 1: Encore presentation and along with it, another update from our guest.

814
00:53:20,370 --> 00:53:24,650
Speaker 1: If Emily's Emily, I mean chances are yeah, if we're round,