1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: from house Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: that makes this stuff you should know the podcast The 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Addiction right, yea? How do I just realize I was 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: giving all kinds of awesome sign language but no one 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: can see that. I could see it just having a 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: beneficial effect on me, pumping you up. Yeah, um, Chuck, Josh, 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: you doing good? Great? Good, almost good. I'm great. It's 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: Friday afternoon. Glad to hear that. Dude. You're about to 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: go on vacation too. I am. You're probably pretty excited, right, 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: I am very y'all even tonight tomorrow morning? Awesome? Yes, 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: you're ready, Yes, Chuck. Yes. Do you know the economic 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: cost for child abuse in the United States? I do, 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: but I won't ruin it. It's massive. Let's talk about it, 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: because you can chart anything. Yeah, it kind of money 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: to good at that, and they're really good at that. UM. 19 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: You've got direct costs like UM foster care programs, law enforcement, 20 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: hospital care, medical costs, that kind of thing. Um, you've 21 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: got indirect costs like funding the court system, right, loss 22 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: of productivity for all the people who have to like 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: go to be on a jury, all that kind of thing. 24 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: A hundred and four billion dollars in two thousand seven 25 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: is what child abuse costs the US, right, Josh, that 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: sounds almost like more money than we spend on education 27 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: in the United States. It was it was that year, 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: well the year before. Yeah, yeah, and then interesting it's 29 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: interesting and said, yeah, um, so if you have no heart, 30 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: but dollar signs really makes sense to you, you can 31 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: agree that child abuse is a bad thing. Right. Uh, 32 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: if you do have a heart, then child abuses bad thing. 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: Either way, it's a bad thing. Um. Child abuse, though, 34 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: is not necessarily all just battering children or sexually molesting children. 35 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: There's also and most of them are cases of neglect. Yeah, 36 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: they have a stat here eighty six point six percent 37 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: or neglect. And they surveyed some child welfare workers and 38 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: is an awkward stat but it is of them estimated 39 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: that about half of their neglect cases were from drug 40 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: drug addicted parents, which makes sense. It does drugs. You're 41 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: not going to provide care for your child adequately. Um. 42 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: There's another study found that children who are born addicted 43 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: to drugs, meaning that they have drug addicted parents who 44 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: did drugs while they were pregnant, or drug addicted mothers 45 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: at least um, those kids are two to three times 46 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: more likely to be abused than non addicted children. I 47 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: would argue that they're already abused, that's that's a good point, 48 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: but even later on that they are much more likely 49 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: to become abused, probably through neglect, because if you are like, 50 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: I really need to score some crack, you're not gonna 51 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: be like, but first I need to make sure my 52 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: child has a healthy dinner. I gotta pump and dump 53 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: before I go out and hit the streets. That's another 54 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: thing too. Um. So, what we've just done, and what 55 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: is not very difficult, we've connected, um, drug addicted parents 56 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: to child abuse. We started out with child abuse is bad, right, 57 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: Why don't we just sterilize drug addicts so they can't 58 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: have any kids. That sounds like a great idea, does it? Uh? 59 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: It sounds like an idea that's actually being done, is 60 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: what that sounds like. And I have my dancing shoes 61 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: on for this podcast because this is tricky business dude. Yeah, 62 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: you can see both sides. It's the slady. Barbara Harris 63 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: makes some points where I think interesting point. Plus she 64 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: has some cred. Let's talk about her real quick. Barbara 65 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: Harris is the founder of some thing called Commune or 66 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: Children Require a Caring Community crack because community spell to 67 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: the K. Yeah, that's I can't believe she stretched that. 68 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: She is a former International House of Pancakes waitress who 69 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: is a mother, a biological mother to six children and 70 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: an adopted mother to four African American children who are 71 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: born to a drug addicted mother. She walks the walk. 72 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: She spent her days driving the United States in an 73 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: RV promoting her UM organization, the main purpose of which 74 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: is to carry out what's called project prevention, which is 75 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: what we just mentioned chuck sterilizing addicts. Yeah, and we 76 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 1: should say that her r V is not any ordinary 77 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: r V. It has the whole thing is decorated with 78 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: a huge picture of a dead baby, um, a line 79 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: of crack, cocaine, I believe, a razor blade, and then 80 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: some things just don't go together. Is the quote? Is 81 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: that right? I couldn't find that one. I've I read 82 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: that in a time article, I think, but Um, I 83 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: saw a picture of the one that she's using in 84 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: the UK, and it's a picture of a baby crying 85 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: and it says, Uh, she has her father's eyes and 86 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: her mother's heroin addiction. So she has a knack for 87 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: getting her message out there. And one of the ways 88 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: she has done that, aside from her RV, is a 89 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: string of billboards in the nineties in Los Angeles that 90 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: UM had taglines like don't let pregnancy ruin your drug habit. Yeah, 91 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna get some attention, yep. Or I think there's 92 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: another one who's like, UM, like drugs, are you pregnant, 93 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: gets sterilized? Get three bucks or something like that, which 94 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: basically is like gets sterilized, We'll give you three hundred 95 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: dollars in drug money. Well, there you go. That the 96 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: cats out of the bag. Um, that's what we're doing there. Well, 97 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways to look at this. It 98 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: is a bribe too. It's a bribe to drug addicts 99 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: who will in most cases spend there this money on 100 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: drugs to give up their fertility. This woman is buying 101 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: drug addicts fertility through her her program. Another way to 102 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: look at it is that she is taking a lot 103 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: of the burden off of the state. Um, who are 104 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: we're going to eventually be charged with caring for these children? 105 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: Were not yet conceived. Uh, And like we said, originally 106 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: there were billboards, flyers, aggressive methods like hanging out at 107 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: A meetings and n A meetings and basically, um, Barbara 108 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: Harris's view is that if you've ever been addicted, even 109 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: if you're clean, now just go ahead and get sterilized 110 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: because you've kind of given up your right to have children. 111 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: She doesn't see um reproduction as a right, which is 112 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: what makes her very contentious to most people, very controversial 113 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: thing that she's doing here. Yes, clearly, so, Chuck, how 114 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: does this work? Do you know? Well, Josh, Um, it's 115 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: important to point out that she will only accept someone 116 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: into the program it already has one child, at least 117 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: one at least one child, You're right, and Um, they 118 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: the drug addict will have to fill out the paperwork 119 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: and have their counselor probably social counselor or judge appointed 120 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: counselor sign something that says they are in fact drug addicts, 121 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: or a social work or in a rest report. They 122 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: have to prove your drug addict. First off, got to 123 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: prove it and then that you can either be sterilized 124 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: or you can go on long term birth control. Right 125 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: and um, if you go on birth control, you get 126 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: two hundred bucks. You UM get a hundred up front, right, 127 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: a hundred when you sign a contract that says I 128 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: will do this and keep it up in a hundred 129 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: after you prove that you're you're doing it, or you 130 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: get three hundred bucks. Here's what they do. This is 131 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: a bystander organization. They don't provide any kind of clinics 132 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: where you where they perform the sterilization. Basically, what they 133 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: do is say, prove to us you're a drug addict. Okay, 134 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: we believe you're a drug addict. You're not qualified. Sign 135 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: this contract. It says you'll go do this. Now, go 136 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: do it. Get Medicaid or Medicare to pay for your 137 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: sterilization programs, so you and I are paying for this 138 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: pre sterilization. And then come bring us a note from 139 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: the doctor that says that this happened, that proves that 140 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: this procedure happened, that you're sterilized, and here's your three 141 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: d bucks. And hey, if you bring by one of 142 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: your crack addic buddies. We'll give you another fifty bucks 143 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: if they do it. Yep, I always got to pay 144 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: the referral fee. Yeah, so no strings attached except for 145 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: a contract. That's another problem too. There isn't any kind 146 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: of counseling now. It's just no parent classes, no parenting classes, 147 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: no UM drug cessation programs. It's just here's some money 148 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: to go give up your reproduction, your ability to reproduce. 149 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: And since uh, it's founding, I'm sorry. Within thirteen years 150 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: of its founding, UM she has worked with more than 151 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: thirty seven hundred drug addicts in the United States, and 152 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: about a third of those were sterilized from my math 153 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: roughly the rest I guess or on long term birth control. Wow. 154 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: And now she's making a way to the UK and 155 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: she wants to go to Kenya for women with HIV 156 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: and AIDS. Yeah. So that's pretty successful in the US, 157 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: and thirteen years in the UK she's finding a much 158 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: harder time of it. Um. Well, she's getting a lot 159 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: more flak. Yeah, but she got support to begin with 160 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: us is the reading. She went over there, some anonymous 161 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: donor gave her twenty grand and she got a lot 162 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: of the BBC did a special on her and she 163 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: got a bunch of phone calls saying please come over here, 164 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: and then the anonymous Downer came along gave her twenty grand. 165 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: She says that she took that as a sign signs 166 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: she started to set up in in the UK and 167 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: if you go on the Project Prevention website, it says, um, 168 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: there's a UK tab that you can click. Um, so 169 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: she is set up in the UK, and then you 170 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: also mentioned Kenya. She's getting probably the most grief of 171 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: all for Kenya. Understandably. Basically, she it has decided that 172 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: not only can you break the cycle of addiction by 173 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: taking away the ability to reproduce among addicts, you can 174 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: cure AIDS by just letting everybody who has AIDS die 175 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: out and not reproduced, basically children with AIDS or hiv UM. 176 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 1: In both cases, it depends on how who you are 177 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: and how you're looking at it, because there are definitely 178 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: people out there who support this, the Kenya AIDS Initiative 179 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: and sterilizing addicts, because in both cases what you're looking 180 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: at is uh an end do a perceived cycle where 181 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: everything else is failing. It's not necessarily the case. Though 182 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: there is drug treatment for drug addiction, there are drugs 183 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: that can treat HIV. UM. There are also educational programs 184 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: that you can teach people to to take better care, 185 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: take preventative measures. This lady is not interested in that 186 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: and in the I mean it's a part of the state, 187 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: the government medical program here seeing well, yeah, I guess 188 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: you can get birth control for free. Here came Medicaid Medicare. 189 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: That's how this thing is functioning. Addicts go get these 190 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: procedures or their birth control for free, for through texpayer 191 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: funding programs like medicaid medicare, and she's given them three bucks. Um, 192 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: just go talk about Kenya for a second longer. Did 193 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: you look at that? Uh? Now, I didn't look much 194 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: into it. Actually, she found a doctor who said that 195 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: he'll he'll insert i U d S, which is long 196 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: term birth control, but it's temporary, it's reversible, for seven 197 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: bucks a pop. And then her organization will pay UM 198 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: women with HIV AIDS UM forty bucks for it. So 199 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: forty seven bucks a person. She's just buying their reproductive 200 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: abilities in Kenya. There are a lot of people who 201 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: are frustrated by that. I'm sure. So Chuck, how is 202 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: any of this legal? Well, Uh, Planned Parenthood is one 203 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: organization that says, you know what, this is possibly illegal. 204 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: Uh if you're talking contract law, because there's something when 205 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: you have a vasectomy or any kind of sterilization that says, uh, 206 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: informed consent, like you have to be in there of 207 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: your own free will. It's not h Daddy isn't out 208 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: in the car forcing you to go in and get 209 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: your tubes tied. That kind of thing. Um they basically 210 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: you're saying that you know this three d bucks is coercive, 211 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: it's a bribe, and it's not informed consent going on. No, 212 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 1: because if if, if there's a bribe involved, Yeah, you can't, 213 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: like informed consent can exist medicaid in medicare requires informed consent. 214 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: But here's the loophole. The informed consent has to be 215 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: between the patient and the provider. Project prevention is a 216 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: third party and interested third party who is really not 217 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: involved in that equation. And the court protects the lady 218 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: going into get her tubes tied. Yes, And the court's 219 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: protecting the lady who's paying the US and to go 220 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: get their tubes tied. Because this is even though like 221 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: it's it's um extremely unethical and immoral in some people's eyes. 222 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: It is still technically illegal because the provider of the 223 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: sterilization services not giving this this person three d bucks. 224 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: Someone else's here too. Of her arguments which made me 225 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: at least sit back and think for a minute about 226 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: what the heck is going on here, because this is, 227 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: like I said, this is a narrow line this lady's walking, 228 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: so I might say she's way way over it. Uh. 229 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: One of the arguments used against her is that these 230 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: um women are not in their right mind to decide 231 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: to have this procedure done. They're on drugs. You're given 232 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: him this money. So her argument back is so they're 233 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: not of sound mind enough to have this procedure, but 234 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: they're of sound mind enough to decide to have a kid. Yeah, 235 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: it's a good argument. Her other big argument is against 236 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 1: her is that you're taking away a woman's right to 237 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: choose to have a baby essentially, and her are gim 238 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: and reverses, Well, why is that right more important than 239 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: a child's right to be born into a normal environment 240 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: and have a shot at a normal life. So I 241 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: believe that she is not necessarily trying to create some 242 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: pure race of smart white people. I think she is 243 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: trying to stop crack babies from being born, but she's 244 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: doing it is definitely stirred the pot. The impression I 245 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: have is that even this lady's critics are UM say 246 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: that she's a true believer. Yeah, she's not, Like, she's 247 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: not a social engineer. She doesn't see it like that. 248 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: The problem is is, like I think a lot of 249 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: people are worried about where she's getting her funding. UM, 250 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: her largest donor apparently UM. Crack and Project Prevention have 251 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: about five thousand dollars a year in operating budget ok UM, 252 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: which I guess is enough to fund to fuel the 253 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: RV around the country and keep the website going and 254 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: pay as many addicts as possible. UM. But most of 255 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: that money is coming from a guy who is a 256 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: billionaire named Richard Mellen Scafe. Right. I hadn't either, but 257 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: he's apparently UM on the right right hand of the 258 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: spectrum politically. Yeah. He runs the Pittsburgh Tribune, which is 259 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: a right wing newspaper as far as its leanings UM, 260 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: and he The idea of a billionaire funding a project 261 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: like that scares the tar out of people because it 262 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: gives it a classist, um bent. Even if this lady 263 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: is a former eyehop waitress, if the people who are 264 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: giving her the money to do this indefinitely are billionaires, 265 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: then what what you're talking about is how one person 266 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: put it. Um, you have a structure in which the 267 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: economically privileged can and do dictate who will and who 268 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: won't have children end quote, which means you're you're on crack, 269 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: or you're black, or we've decided that you're unfit to reproduce, 270 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: but instead of forcing it, we're gonna pay you. But really, 271 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: what's the difference. Yeah, I mean, it's a nonprofit quote unquote, 272 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: but a nonprofit funded by a billionaire. It's different kind 273 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: of nonprofit, you know what I'm saying. Another criticism is 274 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: um that it is racially disproportionate. Um. She will point 275 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: out that a thousand clients were African American, whereas more 276 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: than eight hundred have been white. But Um, as far 277 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: as percentages of population goes, it's it's skewed heavily towards blacks. Yeah, 278 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense if you I mean, 279 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: in hard numbers, it's like, well, there's way more white 280 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: people than black people who have taken part in this. 281 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: But if you look at the proportion of the population UM, 282 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: seventies something percent of the US population is white, whereas 283 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: only like about thirteen percent is black, So those numbers 284 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: actually are very disproportioned new UM and also the original 285 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: billboards targeted low income, predominantly African American areas of Los 286 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: Angeles at the beginning. UM. I think ultimately what scares 287 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: people is that even if this is an addicts choice, 288 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: even if you agree, this addict is making their own decision, 289 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: and in some cases there are UM. In this time article, 290 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: there's a woman named Joe and Chavarria, and she's just 291 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: like this model participant. There's a quote from her that said, 292 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: like when you stop having kids, that makes you think 293 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: about what else you can do in life. She already 294 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: has five kids, the state has custody of them. She 295 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: got sterilized and took her three hundred dollars and bought 296 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: Easter presence and educational toys for her children, who she's 297 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: trying to get back. She already had three kids, and 298 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: then she gave birth to two drug addicted twins because 299 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: she was addicted to meth um. She started doing math 300 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: at eight months pregnant. Yeah, which is not a good 301 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: time to start doing myth start. That's a particular bad 302 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: time to start. I would agree with that. Um. Yeah, 303 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: so she's a poster child. She is. But even if 304 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: she's walking around, right, the the whole idea that that 305 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: reproduction in reproductive rights should and could be controlled by 306 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: other people, whether they're a private organization funded by a 307 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: billionaire um or the government smacks of the eugenics movement. 308 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: We've already done this before and it's it proved horrific. Right, 309 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: we need to talk about eugenics, we definitely do. Let's 310 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: do it well. Remember it came up in the Crimes 311 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: Them Photography, Uh our podcast? Right, Yes, it was a 312 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 1: big deal in the US. Yeah. When did it start? Night? 313 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: Turn of the Century night, early early twentieth century. Eugenics 314 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: was a movement a concept that you could create a 315 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: fitter human species if you removed undesirable traits UM like 316 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: chronic disease, UM, low socio economic status. Do you want 317 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: to hear with this this model law for eugenics. Yeah, 318 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: we'll say what the model law is first. Who was 319 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: it that came up with that? A guy named Harry Laughlin? Um. 320 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: He was the head of the Eugenics Record Office, and 321 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: I remember at the time in the the um this 322 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: was nineteen fourteen that he came up with the Model Law. 323 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: There was this idea that, like you said, Chuck, you 324 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: could create a fitter human race by basically weeding out 325 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: the undesirable elements and we just letting the healthy, robust 326 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: ones reproduce. Simple as pie, you get yourself a nice 327 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: arian race boys from Brazil, right, Um, So to to 328 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: carry this out. Most people who are unfit don't really 329 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: consider themselves unfit, and even worse, in a lot of cases, Um, 330 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: one of the sure signs that they are socially unfit 331 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: is that they're sexually promiscuous. So you gotta take matters 332 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: into your own hands. And the government has to force 333 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: sterilization through the courts and not just formiscus. Should we 334 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: read out some of the things in the law. Well 335 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: this these are the undesirables, take it, Chuck, the feeble minded, 336 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: the saying, criminalistic, the epileptic, the inebriate, the disease, the blind, 337 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: the deaf, the deformed and dependent and orphans, near do wells, tramps, 338 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: homeless and pauper's The only thing I don't see in 339 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: here is skullduggery. Right, I'm surprised that's probably in here somewhere. Actually, 340 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: So that was the model law for UM forced government 341 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: mandated sterilization. You know, people who are targeting. Yeah, this 342 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: is the US UM. And by this by the time 343 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: this model law was created, UM, a couple of states 344 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: already had their own compulsory sterilization laws based on the 345 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: idea of eugenics. Right. I think Indiana and Connecticut were hot, 346 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: hot on, hot on the trail. Yeah. California came fairly 347 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: late to the game. UM. In the early to mid twenties, 348 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: they had a law. But by that time, by UM, 349 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: hundred of the three thousand people who had been forced 350 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: to be sterilized under this law UM or in California. 351 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: And one of the ideas behind it was that it 352 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: was a tax saving measure. Right. The really interesting considering 353 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: today's it sounds very familiar. UM. The U. S. Supreme 354 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes very famously said something that 355 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: might also sound familiar as far as logic goes. UM. 356 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: He said, quote, it is better for all the world if, 357 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or 358 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: to let them starve for their imbecility. Society can prevent 359 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. And 360 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: he finished up, and we'll talk about this case. Was saying, 361 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: three generations of imbeciles are enough. He's talking about Carrie Buck. 362 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: And she was a seventeen year old in Charlottesville, Virginia. 363 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: She was the first person chosen to be sterilized in 364 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: Virginia under the Dow Model law. She had a kid, 365 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: but was not married. Her mother was in an insane 366 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: asylum called the Virginia Colony for the epileptic and the 367 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: feeble minded. It's not a place you want to visit 368 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: and not leave. Uh. And here's her story. She was 369 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: um picked because they thought that she shared hereditary traits 370 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: with her mother, a feeble minded, feeble mindedness, and sexual promiscuity. Uh. 371 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: They thought it was genetic. She already had one kid, 372 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: and they thought, you know what, it's probable that she's 373 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: gonna have a socially inadequate child after this, and let's 374 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: sterilize her. Let's make her case number one in Virginia. 375 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: Took her. They went to court. Um, it went all 376 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: the way to the Supreme Court. Um, people testified against 377 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: her that she had a record of immorality and uh, syphilis, prostitution, 378 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: and untruthfulness. So the judge said, okay, let's sterilize her. 379 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: And it was upheld. And it was upheld because that 380 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: Oliver Wendell Holmes decision, that quote came from the majority 381 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: opinion that yeah, we should go ahead and sterilize this girl. 382 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: And she was sterilized. But what happened, Josh afterwards, Well, 383 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 1: what we her kid was studied UM tremendously. This was 384 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: not like, uh, there was popular, widespread support for eugenics 385 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: in the US, but there are also plenty of people 386 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: who are like, what are you doing? This is the 387 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: worst thing we've ever done. Um. So her kid, UM, 388 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: Vivian Buck was UM was followed her. A lot of 389 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: stuff was not entered into the public record when during 390 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: carry Buck's trial or hearings. UM. For one, she wasn't promiscuous. 391 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: She was raped by her foster parents relative right, um. 392 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: And then Vivian was not a an example of a 393 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: third generation feeble minded person. She was a solid beast 394 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: student apparently and was on the honor roll. UM. That 395 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: was her first grade report card. So basically this woman 396 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: was the the test case to keep seralization going or 397 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: to really get it going, proved fraudulent in the end. 398 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: Well not only that, but her defense lawyer, it turns 399 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: out this was later uncovered, conspired with the lawyer for 400 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: the Insane Asylum to guarantee that would be upheld. So 401 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: it was completely fraudulent. Uh, but it was upheld in 402 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: Virginia and eight three hundred Virginians were sterilized after that 403 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: Buck versus Bell case eight thousand, three hundred. UM. Harry Laughlin, 404 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: the guy who was running the eugenics record office and 405 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: who wrote that model law in nineteen fourteen. He went 406 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: on to get a mob um a medal from the 407 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: Nazi government in nineteen thirty three for um his his 408 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: contribution to the science of racial cleansing from the University 409 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: of Heidelberg got an honorary degree. And UM, I didn't 410 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: know this, but apparently the Rockefeller Foundation funded the German 411 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: I can't remember with the name of the the research facility, 412 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: but funded the German res for search facility where this 413 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: was being born. Over there where is Mingla is that 414 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: is that the Guy Rockfeller Center was funding them at 415 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: the time too. And then Nazi says, this is a 416 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: great idea, and we'll go on to sterilize thy thousand people. 417 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: And it turns out that's not even enough, so we're 418 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: just gonna start killing them. Right. So, if if you 419 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: start people to say, like, oh, what could something ever 420 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: lead to, you never know what it could lead to. Well, 421 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: in the US, in the United States, UM, it led 422 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: to a thirty three states with compulsory sterilization laws on 423 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: the books that continued into the nineteen seventies. We were 424 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: sterilizing the mentally retarded in the US. I was alive, 425 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: I was born, and this was going on UM and 426 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: ultimately about sixty thou people lost their ability to reproduce 427 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: UM at the hands of the US government. UM. And 428 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: this the guy who wrote this great paper, he's actually 429 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: a pretty much an expert on the eugenics movement in 430 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: the US. His name is Paul Lombardo. He's a University 431 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: of Virginia professor. UM. He points out that the Carrie 432 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: Buck case that basically allows compulsory sterilization of feeble minded 433 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: people is still on the books. It's not overturned. Yeah, 434 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: but it's one of those it's not you couldn't do 435 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: it today, But wouldn't it be interesting if that came 436 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: up and somebody when somebody ultimately challenges project prevention. I 437 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: have a list of people who supported eugenics. Are you 438 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: going to call him out? And this is not to 439 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: say that they supported sterilization, because eugenics had a lot 440 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: more to do with It was broader than just sterialization. 441 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: But Woodrow Wilson, uh Margaret Sanger, who is the founder 442 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: of Planned Parenthood, who was a lightning rod her self 443 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: in her time, and now Planned Parenthood is criticizing Barbara Harris, 444 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: which really says something. Oliver Wendell Holmes obviously we mentioned him. H. G. Wells, 445 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: Teddy Roosevelt, John Maynard Keynes, and George Bernard Shaw are 446 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: just a few who thought eugenics was pretty good idea 447 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: at the Charles Lindbergh did you see him? No? No, no, 448 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: was he in there? Remember he was all about Darwin 449 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: and Limberg. Really I didn't know Limberg was in there. 450 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: It wasn't that one article you sent me. No, that 451 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: was for trans humanism, right, but it was for certain 452 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: people it was based on genics. So Chuck Um, like 453 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: you said, you had your dancing shoes on, and I 454 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: can appreciate that. Should we talk about Jack Skinner real 455 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: quick though, or do you want to? Well? Yeah, because 456 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: that was when it was actually struck down in two 457 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: Oklahoma criminal Um. They were going to start sterilizing criminals 458 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: or they had been already probably right, repeat criminals, repeat criminals. 459 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: And he was a chicken thief and uh an armed robber. 460 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: And this went to court in justice William ou Douglas 461 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: struck it down and had a very good point. He said, 462 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: you're not gonna essentially I'm paraphrasing, you're not gonna sterilize 463 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: at three time in Besler, all right, but you'll sterilize 464 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: a chicken thief. So it comes back to class once again. Yeah, 465 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: and then then that's where we are again. Um again, 466 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: you did a good job with your dancing shoes. I'm 467 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: dancing nice. Um. Depending on how you feel about it, 468 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: this isn't going anywhere. This lady has been doing this 469 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: for thirteen years and it first got attention, like right 470 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: when she first started doing it. She gets attention every 471 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: once in a while. I just heard about her, like 472 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. I reckon if you've seen 473 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: that RB around town, you'll pay attention. Yeah, and if 474 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: you're in the UK, lookout for it because they're um, 475 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: they're already investigating her people um for very aggressive tactics. 476 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: Apparently this woman came out of a clinic with her 477 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: kid and one of the Project Prevention people ran up 478 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: and was like, hey, how would you like three hundred 479 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: pounds to be sterilized or two hundre pounds to be sterilized? 480 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: And she's like what, she wasn't a drug addict? Yeah, 481 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: which because a tremendous amount of offense and now there 482 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: it's being investigated. I'm wondering what kind of um reception 483 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: shill ultimately have there. And she's got her sights on 484 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: Australia next. So Project Prevention sterilizing addicts the answer to 485 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: the question. Technically, yeah, it's legal reeks of eugenics. Yeah, 486 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: but that's not illegal, that's right. And apparently you can 487 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: go out and compulsor really sterilized a feeble minded person 488 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: as long as you can provide that they were feeble minded. 489 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: You know, we should do some podcasts on some like 490 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: awesome things that America has done. I feel like we're 491 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: always dredging up these awful things that we did in 492 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: our past history. But people, a lot of people don't know. 493 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: I was never taught about eugenics in high school. Oh no, 494 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: neither was I. I don't know, but that didn't know 495 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: we sterilize sixty people. But I think that's why we 496 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: have to do this sometimes, Chuck, because we know a 497 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: lot of the good stuff. You're right, we do need 498 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: to come up with some great, awesome off to talk 499 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: about two. But I think people generally think that way, 500 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: and I think that a lot of this, the dirty, 501 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: nasty stuff, just gets covered over and it can't can't 502 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: because we're in the midst of a case of history 503 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: repeating itself. And if we don't talk about it, if 504 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: people don't know about it, then if you don't have 505 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: the luxury of hindsight or to make an informed decision, 506 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: hazza to that, sir, So uh uh Sterilized Addicts will 507 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: bring you the article which we just pretty much did 508 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: to death um. But if you want to see some 509 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: pictures of heroin UM and a methodicted couple with their child, 510 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: you can type in uh sterilized addicts at the handysearch 511 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: bar house that works dot com which means it's time 512 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: for listener mail. Not so it is time for uh 513 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: what do we call it? Administrative detail and breaks on. 514 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: That was a really good break sound chuck, Thank you, 515 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,479 Speaker 1: quick announced and everyone. We are coming to south By 516 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: Southwest in Austin, Texas. Uh, you need a badge to 517 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: get in to see us. 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Yeah, just take quick. 527 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: Most of the people wearing the interactive badges are going 528 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: to be pasty, maybe a little weak. Just get a badge, yeah, exactly, 529 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: and we'll see you there all right, back to it, Yeah, okay. 530 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: We like to take time every couple of months to 531 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: thank people who send us gifts in the mail because 532 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: it's a real nice thing to do. Sometimes people are 533 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: plugging their little Etsy site. We'll plug that away. It's fine. 534 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: Travis Local, Travis and Uh. Tickets to the Village Theater. 535 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: You're in Atlanta, improv Yeah, and I haven't gone yet, 536 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: but I got my ticket. We should go on the 537 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: same night. Let's do it. But don't tell Jerry we'll 538 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: double date. Okay, Okay, sounds good. Um. Let's thank Becca 539 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: E and her two dogs, Frey and Freya for the 540 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: homemade doggy treats that our dogs enjoyed. Yeah, mine are 541 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: still enjoying them. I still have a few left. They 542 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: love them. They're delicious. They're like Scooby Snacks, but me 543 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: from home. Joey sent us personalized Ghostbuster shirts. Yeah, and 544 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: it's it's like the tuxedo T shirt. It's as if 545 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: you are wearing the Ghostbusters uniform. And it says Bryant 546 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: on it. Clark that does it? Yeah, Okay, I thought 547 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: it might say Roland. You says Roland because I think 548 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: you got Jerry's I'm just kidding. Um. Stink Free Direct 549 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: dot Com send us some nice over control stuff. Thank 550 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: you very much for that. We actually need it. Uh, 551 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: Mary Magenta, which has a she has a great name. 552 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: She sent us homemade calendars and I have mine hanging 553 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: up with my cube. I use it and tomorrow is 554 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: full radish on my calendar, and I think that means 555 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: full moon. Um. J Nolan of j nolan film dot 556 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: Com sent home baked cookies. I guess we should say 557 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: again that's J Nolan of J nolan film dot com. 558 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: J a y cookie bribe. Tony from Wisconsin. He's a 559 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: skinny and he sent us lovely drawing of a butterfly. 560 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: And Tony I think is young because I think it 561 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: was a crayon drawing, but it was you know, it's 562 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: from the heart. Yeah. Um. VFP sent us a postcard 563 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: from Dubai. Very nice send us each one, I believe. Yeah, 564 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: oh yeah, we got to Kate and TC sent us 565 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: a homemade Valentine of a t Rex holding a heart 566 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: and it was we like how many stuf feels really cute? Yeah, 567 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: Kate and TC. Victor sent us a postcard from Malta. 568 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: Lindsay and Nick. They sent us a real picture. Yeah, 569 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: it's been a while since I held a real picture 570 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: like that of us with them. We met them at 571 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: a Brooklyn trivia event and Nick, uh, I think it 572 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: was Army was leaving to go to Afghanistan, I think 573 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: the next day, and they took time to route themselves 574 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: through Brooklyn to come to our trivia event and we 575 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: met them both. And he is back in two days 576 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: from today? Is that right? But he well, two days 577 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: from the day she wrote the letter, right, I think 578 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: he's back. I think he said high on the Facebook page. 579 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: I think so he's back. He's definitely back by the 580 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: time this is out. So Nick, glad you're back, safe 581 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: and sound, buddy. Thanks for the picture, Lindsay and Nick Um. Well, 582 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: you got a huge, awesome assortment of Christmas cookies from 583 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: Mona Colon team. Oh yeah, Monus. And she's a big 584 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: fan on the stuff you should Facebook page. Yeah, Monus, 585 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: nice girl and she she sent us tons of Christmas 586 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: cookies which were awesome. She's a lady. She's a lady. Uh. 587 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: Joe Garden, our buddy, Joe Garden from the Onion definitely 588 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: send us Onion T shirts and hoodies because he promised 589 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: them months and months ago. And you can support Joe 590 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: if you like funny things by buying his books, The 591 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: Dangerous Book for Dogs, The Devious Book for Cats, and 592 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: my favorite, the New Vampire's Handbook, a guide for the 593 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: recently turned creature of the Night. And Joe writes these 594 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: with other Onion writers and they're all obviously very funny. 595 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: And speaking of the Onion, Chuck was used for a 596 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: photo for an Onion article on a hunter being busted 597 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: for not having a license. Right, so the the hunter 598 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: becomes the prey. Yeah. Um, how could we not thank 599 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: Aaron Cooper who made us some super cool Magnum p 600 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: I T shirts with our images on them. That was 601 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: actually a t shirt um contest submission. That was just 602 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: so awesome he made him anyway, and send him to 603 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: It's awesome. We couldn't use it. Yeah, licensing rights and 604 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: all that. And Coop Wet We always think Coop just 605 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: because his awesome photoshops because he saw the full metal 606 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: Jack Owens. Yeah, that was pretty good. Yeah, and um 607 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: off putting of course, Andrew and Janelle for their Christmas card, 608 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: right yeah, Ben and Leah sent us a Christmas card 609 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 1: to Abigail. She's a twelve year old who sent us 610 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: four handwritten letters. And it's always nice to get a 611 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: handwriten letter because it reminds me of being twelve years old. 612 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: Emily's not my wife. Emily sent us fifteen. I'm sorry, 613 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 1: she is fifteen, and she sent us a letter because 614 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: her mom took her computer away because of overuse, so 615 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: she had to write a letter. Tony and Hawaii sent 616 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: us a handwritten letter as well. 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