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Speaker 1: Into the uptime for the touchdown, Hollywood Brown has been spectacular.

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Speaker 2: Problem solved touchdown, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 3: All that was nasty right there right.

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Speaker 1: The latest news and notes from the insiders who cover

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Speaker 3: Bring it on, Break it.

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Speaker 4: On, tukdown own Saving Colin slammed the ground by fooda

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Speaker 4: baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield, h skirting nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: One last check of social media to make sure there

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Speaker 2: are no rogue reports out there, because we are team

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Speaker 2: minus forty five minutes in counting past the trade deadline

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, otherwise known as Halloween October thirty First

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Speaker 2: here on Cardinals Underground, Paul KELVC, Darren Rman, Danny Sirek

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Speaker 2: and all the above are lacking in any sort of

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Speaker 2: Halloween costume I gotta say, Danny, you defied the scouting report.

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Speaker 2: I thought, maybe, just maybe you might have something in

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Speaker 2: the way of a costume today, Alas, we're disappointed.

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Speaker 4: You know, I thought about it last year. I wore

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Speaker 4: a costume because Halloween was on a Monday. So the

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Speaker 4: Morning Scramble crew, the live stream show that we do

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Speaker 4: Mondays covering the game, we all dressed up and I

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Speaker 4: was a farmer and I wore cut off overalls, a

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Speaker 4: big straw hat, a bandana, the whole nine yards. And

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Speaker 4: I remember it was a Monday, and so Cliff Kingsbury

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Speaker 4: was talking to the media and I walk in in

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Speaker 4: my costume. I remember nobody else is wearing any sort

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Speaker 4: like literally nothing. So I quickly took off my straw hat,

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Speaker 4: shoes and overalls and a bandanna around my neck at

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Speaker 4: this head coaching press conference, and so knowing today was

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Speaker 4: coordinators on this Tuesday, and we also actually got a

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Speaker 4: bit of head coach Jonathan Gannon. Truthfully, it's become a

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Speaker 4: bit almost of where like when defensive coordinator Nik Roala

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Speaker 4: sits down, he like looks to me to like have

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Speaker 4: the first question. I was thinking, if I'm sitting there

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Speaker 4: like it's just going to exponentially become so much more

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Speaker 4: That's my long explanation.

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Speaker 3: That's that's not lame, that's that's just smart.

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Speaker 4: Well, you guys aren't wearing costumes, which means it's lame.

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Speaker 2: But you just never know how these things are going

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Speaker 2: to work out. I mean, Josh Dobbs started today thinking,

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Speaker 2: you know, he wasn't going to dress up, and then

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Speaker 2: by the end of today, guess what, somebody put a

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Speaker 3: So you know, clever there, Paul.

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Speaker 2: You never know what you're going to end up wearing,

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Speaker 2: which gets us into the QB question, which all of

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Speaker 2: There was a reason that Jonathan Gannon met the media

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Speaker 2: it up from there. What is known? What is unknown?

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Speaker 2: Where do the Cardinals stand early in Week nine when

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Speaker 2: it comes to the quarterback question.

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Speaker 3: Well, just to clarify, Jonathan Gannon wasn't in that media

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Speaker 3: Obviously they needed a quarterback. It was quite the turn

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Speaker 4: What was interesting to me postgame when Gannon said that

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Speaker 4: we'll see, we have decisions to be made. That just

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Speaker 2: So did Gannon change his mind? Or did the Minnesota

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Speaker 3: You already had Clayton Tune, Kyler Murray was going to play.

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Speaker 3: That did absolutely cross my mind.

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Speaker 4: This trade makes a lot of sense to me because, yes,

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Speaker 4: I understand you are one in seven if you're a

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Speaker 4: in on short notice and step up. I like that

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals took advantage of that trade value. Knowing that

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Speaker 4: Kyler Murray's return is imminent. Is that Sunday in Cleveland?

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Speaker 4: weeks with that situation. I like that Arizona took advantage

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Speaker 2: So look, Josh Dobbs' time was limited. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: he raised it up. But if you look, I would

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Speaker 2: number one, and I think the first two are encapsulated

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Speaker 2: a byproduct of every single game, and that was the

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think you're spot on, and we've talked about

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Speaker 4: a different story with Minnesota. Maybe Minnesota feels like what

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Speaker 4: Dobbs in a cardinal's uniform. You know, there were still

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Speaker 4: good things, right he had that month, that stretch of

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Speaker 4: keeping them in games. But you're right. The lack of

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Speaker 4: played a role in that as well. The accuracy. As

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Speaker 3: I saw I think a fairly decent kind of way

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Speaker 3: It was online, but basically the implication was, I think

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Speaker 3: which is a random, big play quarterback and not necessarily

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Speaker 3: a caretaker quarterback. Then maybe they'll benefit because that did

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Speaker 3: strike me as something that Josh Dobbs did. He's not

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Speaker 2: No interceptions is first four games.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, it just makes when you're in rebuild mode,

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Speaker 4: That's why I think this is a great trade for

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Speaker 2: The Hollywood Brown quote after the game might have been

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Speaker 2: It's talking about the fourth quarter, but what he's saying

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Speaker 3: I mean we saw that, didn't we.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I like Josh Dobbs a ton absolutely tweeted

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals went seventy five yards on their opening to

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Speaker 4: Well, and on that third down he was sacked and

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Speaker 2: I will say this, though, I do expect better accuracy

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Speaker 4: He's mobile.

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Speaker 2: He's definitely mobile. We saw it in Minnesota those two

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Speaker 2: well for Colt McCoy and the decision was made accordingly

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Speaker 2: In fact, we had to redo a segment of the

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Speaker 3: As we ultimately saw well that and I think he

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Speaker 4: So muou to write a story about that.

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Speaker 2: But then we saw Clayton tune in the game against

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Speaker 2: you know he did, And you're right he responded the

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: So okay, And at some point, you gotta get regular

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Speaker 4: That's the best way. You can only replicate practice as

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Speaker 2: Here's a question, what's he gonna look like? Is he

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Speaker 4: How many of those to DeAndre Hopkins?

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Speaker 2: Three of them as he counted them off, And there

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Speaker 2: let's just hit the brakes there for one moment. Would

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Speaker 4: Yes, they have had essentially no explosive plays. I mean

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Speaker 4: this past week they didn't have any explosive plays. I

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Speaker 2: I mean, Hollywood Brown's longest catch was nine yards. That

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Speaker 2: that can't happen now when he's getting opened downfield again.

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Speaker 3: This was all working the first month for the most part,

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Speaker 2: So is that because teams are going with everybody now

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Speaker 2: Or are there opportunities that are just being missed. Could

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Speaker 2: Clayton Tune come in and tune up that Brown's defense

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Speaker 2: we'll see. So that could be the treat of the

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Speaker 2: So you just never know if Clayton Tune is indeed

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Speaker 3: Well, Will Levis was a second round pick though, and

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Speaker 3: DTR was a fifth round pick, So I know what

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Speaker 2: Are you going to get the brock Purty mister irrelevant

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Speaker 3: sure I think Clayton Tune would do well in that.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me ask you something, especially this last week,

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Speaker 4: If that's his first regular season Look, yes, he's had

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Speaker 3: Punters are people too, Dan, But look, if.

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Speaker 4: Was that I roll caught on camera? Was that? I guess?

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Speaker 4: Now that's a thing, right, everyone can see.

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Speaker 3: When I do that, I've already forgotten about the cameras.

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Speaker 3: That's what they always say. Once the magic is over,

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Speaker 4: To the fame by now one week on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Once you start playing to the cameras, it's all over.

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Speaker 2: It's just all over, you know, just uh so, so

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Speaker 2: getting back to the scatteryport on Clayton tune Right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: say anything about Trey McBride, I mean, come on, let's

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Speaker 4: I would say, did you see Kyle Brandt's segment with

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Speaker 3: I look, a lot of people have been wondering when

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Speaker 2: with himself, the way he slammed the helmet down to

437
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Speaker 2: the sideline. Equipment guys came over. I was telling Craig GRIELO.

438
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 2: They looked at it like, you know, after Darren slams

439
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: his wedge, you know, after he chunks went out of

440
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: the bunker, right, I don't play golf, And he looked

441
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,239
Speaker 2: at it like, okay, is this thing still true? And

442
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 2: straight the face mask because he just hammered that thing

443
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 2: like Devontae Adams to the to the ground, and then

444
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 2: he came back and just stoked that thing and then

445
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 2: got some help from from Paris Johnson and Will Hernandez

446
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 2: getting shoved into the end zone that you could feel

447
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 2: that down to the sideline. That was like it was

448
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: like a herd of buffaloes coming into I mean, that

449
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 2: was big boy football right there. You know, Seattle likes

450
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,439
Speaker 2: to tell like, oh geez, when Besmos scored on that

451
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: playoff touchdown and it reached two point three on the

452
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 2: Richter scale and all that kind of stuff. We need

453
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Speaker 2: a Richter scale. Forget the big red siren. We need

454
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 2: a Richter scale at State Farm Stadium. I like to

455
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Speaker 2: see if that would have registered.

456
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Speaker 4: Truly encapsulate and come truly embodied. No, you're the uh

457
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 4: effort and you know energy and passion and fight that

458
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 4: we have seen from Jonathan Gannon's team on that one play.

459
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Speaker 4: While that word really tripped me up.

460
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Speaker 2: In fact, did you guys catch Baldi's breakdowns? Brian Baldinger

461
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: and he does those video breakdowns on Twitter. They're kind

462
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: of raw, but they're really insightful because I think he's

463
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: just like shooting cell phone video of a computer screen

464
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 2: and just talking over the all twenty two. But he

465
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: picked out five plays from the Cardinals Ravens game and

466
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 2: three of them were just talking about the fight, talking

467
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 2: about the Cardinals defense, about how they didn't give an inch, right,

468
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: I mean, they weren't always successful obviously in Lamar Jackson

469
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: made his share of plays. Here was the tweet from

470
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: Brian Baldinger forget the Cardinals record. They play the game

471
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Speaker 2: the only way full metal jacket, like being attacked by

472
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Speaker 2: a swarm of red ants, and he's documenting the Cardinals

473
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 2: defense just swarming to the ball and what they did

474
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 2: against Lamar Jackson. Love the way this team flies around

475
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: on d Someone is going to get whipped by this

476
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: group soon.

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Speaker 4: They're not playing like a one in seventeen. I mean, sure,

478
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 4: if you want to look at the box score and

479
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 4: you want to look at some of the numbers, okay,

480
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 4: but when you're looking about whether or not this team

481
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 4: is staying in it mentally and physically and emotionally and

482
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 4: all of that, they are absolutely continuing to stay in

483
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 4: the game and give themselves a chance. One of those

484
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 4: plays by Baldi was Amario de Mercatto, who I thought

485
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Speaker 4: did a nice job finding the gaps this week.

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Speaker 2: So I asked him last week, I said, you know,

487
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: we were talking on the air about how you really

488
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: look like you're a patient running back, which you know

489
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: is to your credit, especially as a rookie and undrafted rookie.

490
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Speaker 2: You know, I remember David Johnson back in the day

491
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Speaker 2: and he had that really big twenty sixteen year, right, Darren,

492
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen was his big, huge year. David Johnson got

493
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: correct and he credited repeatedly credit Chris Johnson for teaching

494
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Speaker 2: him to be patient, which is sort of ironical, if

495
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: you will, because Chris Johnson was the four two four

496
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: forty guy who used to hit the hole so fast,

497
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Speaker 2: and then he learned, no, wait, wait, hat and a hat,

498
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: wait for the blocks to develop, wait for the old

499
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 2: line to get there. Now stoke it, Now go north.

500
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Speaker 2: And David Johnson learned that, and that's something to Mario

501
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: de Mercato was talking to him his locker. He said,

502
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: I learned that early at TCU. I used to hit

503
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: the hole so fast that it would trigger my offensive lineman.

504
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 2: They would get so mad at me. They said, wait

505
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 2: till I get there. It's going to be there, just

506
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: give me half a moment to get there. And so

507
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: now you see Amrio Demurcado and he's running the ball

508
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 2: and he's almost stopping his feet and he's waiting and

509
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: then he stokes it and he has good vision and

510
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: he's following you know, the rear ends of his offensive lineman,

511
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: because that sort of tells you which direction to go.

512
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: And yeah's now, you didn't see a whole lot of

513
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Speaker 2: them in the fourth quarter, which makes me wonder about

514
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: this week. We'll see and then next week you're gonna

515
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: get James Connor back, right.

516
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Speaker 3: Well, you can get him back. You will get him back.

517
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Speaker 4: That's you know how Darren feel about running back?

518
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: That's right? Yeah, actually I don't how do you feel

519
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: about running backs?

520
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 3: Just lovely about running backs. I'm just saying you can't

521
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 3: rush James Connor back. And this very first thing, what

522
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: were you implying there?

523
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Speaker 4: I'm just thinking back to when James Connor got his

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Speaker 4: contract extension.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, interesting.

526
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Speaker 4: I don't forget.

527
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Speaker 3: Speaking of forgetting Danny. You haven't brought up the fact

528
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Speaker 3: that Kyler didn't play this week.

529
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Speaker 4: I did bring it up on radio on Sunday. Look,

530
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 4: I if I'm going to.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to lean back and then let you

532
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Speaker 2: take this. Danny go ahead.

533
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 4: I'm going to take the risk and lead the charge.

534
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 4: That I thought Kyler would return Sunday against the Ravens.

535
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Speaker 4: I will sit here and humbly accept my defeat that

536
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 4: I was fooled, I was bamboozled, I was wrong. Do

537
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 4: not cut that Omo. All the signs were there. But again,

538
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 4: the priority is making sure that Kyler is not only

539
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 4: physically but mentally ready to go as well. You're putting

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Speaker 4: this team in the best position to win. So if

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Speaker 4: that wasn't the case against Baltimore, I'm not going to

542
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 4: hold it against him. Just be excited when he comes back.

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Speaker 3: That's That's a lovely way to put it.

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Speaker 2: Danny, thank you, and I believe that's our segue into Kyler.

545
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 2: Usually pick our spots, we sort of do the vertical

546
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: tas thing, and eventually here on Cardinals Underground, brought to

547
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 2: you by Pacific Office Automation, we get to Kyler Murray.

548
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: I know one of the bullet points that was in

549
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: the game plan for this week was titled the forever

550
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: weight for Kyler? Is that the official using that, Darren,

551
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: is that you can change it to whatever I Andy

552
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: weight for Kyler.

553
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 3: Well can do that.

554
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: Calviy Sing Consulting does have a new nickname. We'll leave

555
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: that for a little bit later, not necessarily about Kyler,

556
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: but I do like the Forever Weight, you know, it

557
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 2: kind of reminds me like the Purge movies. It really does.

558
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: You know how many Purge movies? Well there's five, Darren.

559
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 2: I'm glad you asked. There's the Purge, there's the Purge anarchy.

560
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: There's First Purge, Forever Purge, and then Purge election year.

561
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: But once again, do you guys talk.

562
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Speaker 4: About this beforehand, like you're going to bring it up

563
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 4: and I'm left out of the loop.

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00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 3: No, this is chemistry, This is what This is chemistry,

565
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: And as were you going to.

566
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 4: Say this is what I'm working towards or something? Is

567
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 4: that you stop from saying?

568
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: When I see the Forever Wait for Kyler, I think

569
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: of the Forever Purge and and I think Josh Dobbs

570
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: just got caught up in one of those Purges.

571
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Speaker 4: Actually been your costume today?

572
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: Oh? That would have been good.

573
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 4: That would have been great.

574
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Speaker 3: I do I want to ask Danny, like, are you

575
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: thinking he's going to play this week? Or are you

576
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: now officially on the Falcons bandwagon.

577
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 4: The moment that on Monday before the trade when Gannon

578
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 4: said that Tune was going to play if Kyler's not ready. Yes,

579
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Speaker 4: I'm thinking, Okay, Kyler's going to be ready. I don't

580
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 4: think you'd come and you'd make that announcement after the

581
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 4: trade automatical I was. And then after the trade, the

582
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Speaker 4: fact that Gannon said he's going to bring in a

583
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Speaker 4: third quarterback doesn't necessarily change my mind because we've known

584
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Speaker 4: that he likes to have three quarterbacks on the roster,

585
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 4: So that doesn't necessarily change my thought process of making

586
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 4: sure you would have a backup for Clayton Tune. But

587
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 4: with all this going on, I think I would not

588
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 4: be surprised if Kyler is active Sunday in Cleveland. And

589
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 4: prior to this happening Tuesday, with the trade and everything,

590
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 4: I would have thought they'd wait for him to kind

591
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,239
Speaker 4: of come home and play against the Falcons. But with

592
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 4: the moves that had been made, it really wouldn't surprise me.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the only thing about that for me, which

594
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: is the idea of him playing in Cleveland or the

595
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: idea of him playing in at home against Atlanta. You

596
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: don't get to pick and choose when the trade deadline is,

597
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: and it happened to be that Minnesota lost their quarterback,

598
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden there was a chance

599
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: to get something for Dobbs when he wasn't going to

600
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: be playing long term and he probably wasn't going to

601
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: come back to this team. So maybe it's just a

602
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: timing thing. I'll be curious to know. I do think this,

603
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: which is whoever they bring in. Let's say they bring

604
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: back Jeff Driscoll to the practice squad because he's around.

605
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: I if Kyler doesn't start in Cleveland, I don't see

606
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: him being activated as the backup.

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Speaker 4: I agree, that to me would make Yeah, that makes

608
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 4: no sense because November eighth is a deadline to either

609
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 4: put Kyler on pup for the rest of the year

610
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 4: or activate him to the roster.

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Speaker 3: And that's what that's the Wednesday after the Browns game, obviously.

612
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: So when Jonathan Gannon says it's to be determined that

613
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: he doesn't know yet who exactly is going to be

614
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Speaker 2: the starting quarterback, show hands are we buying that? Is

615
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: that just kicking that decision down the roads, sort of

616
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: like Kevin Stefanski is using the gamesmanship and not naming

617
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: his starting quarterback this week.

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Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, I feel like he knows,

619
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Speaker 4: he's just not sharing that whether it's Kyler or not.

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Speaker 3: He's probably leaning one way or the other. But I

621
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Speaker 3: don't I don't see I'll be honest, I don't see

622
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: the reason to shut the door on anything. You don't

623
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Speaker 3: know what the we at that. You know, you don't

624
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: know what the week is going to exactly hold. You

625
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: don't know how Kyler is going to be this week.

626
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 3: Maybe he comes back and says this is absolutely but no,

627
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Speaker 3: I would especially I guess ultimately, and we're not going

628
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: to know this probably, But if it turned out that

629
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 3: the whole reason the backtracking of the quarterback thing happened

630
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: on Monday was because they realized they had a trade

631
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: partner in Minnesota and they were going to move on

632
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: from Dobbs, then that would tell me that probably you're

633
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: you're leaning towards giving Kyler one more week and having

634
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: Clayton tune out there if that's how it worked out,

635
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: because I think if Dobbs was here, he probably would

636
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: be starting this week.

637
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: Could it be that you're waiting for Kyler Murray to

638
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: tell you? Remember when Kyler Murray was activated from the

639
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: pup list and Jonathan Ganna was asked, well, when did

640
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: you make that decision? Agannon's response was, I didn't. Kyler

641
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: told me said I'm good to practice today. Coach said, great,

642
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: see out there, and that was the extent of the exchange.

643
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: Could it be that Jonathan Gannon is waiting for Kyler

644
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: Murray again to tell him I'm ready to play.

645
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 4: It's possible, I think now that we're working through things,

646
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: at least in my mind in real time here thinking

647
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 4: back to Gannon sitting down and starting the press conference

648
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 4: Monday saying that tune would start over Dobbs, maybe that

649
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 4: is just because you know that Kyler isn't going to

650
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 4: be ready, and you know, I'm sure he knew at

651
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 4: that point something was in the works with Minnesota, and

652
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 4: so you don't want to come out and say Clayton

653
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 4: Tune is going to start and that's it, because then

654
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: that shares with the world no chance Kyler Murray is

655
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 4: going to be ready. But if you say Clayton tune,

656
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 4: if Kyler's not ready, well then that kind of keeps

657
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 4: Kyler in the discussion. Maybe all along there really is

658
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 4: no chance that Kyler plays, and it was going to

659
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 4: be Clayton tune. It was just kind of couldn't really

660
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 4: share all that because you know, the trade wasn't finalized.

661
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: Because if Kyler Murray physically is full go like John

662
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: again it said the first week who was back, and

663
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: then doubled down the next week and said he's fully healthy,

664
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: quote unquote if.

665
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: And he's not even getting practice designations on the injury report.

666
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: There you go, yeah, okay, So then what does it

667
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: come down to comes down to Kyler.

668
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: I would presume. I would think so if he's.

669
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: I mean, if he's if you have a quarterback with

670
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: four years of experience, I don't care how new he

671
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: is to this offense. He's been in all those same

672
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: meeting rooms as Clayton Tune now as he wrapped it

673
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: out on the field nearly the amount that Clayton Tune has.

674
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: No but he has four years of experience under his belt,

675
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: he has two Bro Bowls, he's a Rookie of the Year.

676
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: He's played in a playoff game. So all that being

677
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: the case, and at some point he's gonna have to

678
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: get out there in game action. At some point it's

679
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: going to be his debut in this offense.

680
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: Well, a couple of things. One, if that's all true,

681
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: about Kyler saying it then then Gannon probably doesn't know.

682
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: Like that is fair exactly my point. That's why I

683
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: asked the question, do you think he knows yet? He

684
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: might not and it's not up to him.

685
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: And the other part of it. Drew Petsing was talking

686
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: about it this week about Kyler, and he was exaggerating

687
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: a little bit because we don't know. I think training

688
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 3: camp started on the twenty sixth of the July or

689
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: something like that. But he said he made some kind

690
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: of comment and be like, if he was going through

691
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: training camp, it would be like July twenty eighth right

692
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: now or whatever he said, and obviously we'd be a

693
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: little deeper into training camp. But that's he's trying to

694
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 3: make that point, like it would still be really early

695
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: in training camp if he played right now, and that's

696
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 3: one of the reasons why he might need a little

697
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 3: bit more time. So I understand that point too.

698
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 4: Take me out of the discussion of trying to figure

699
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 4: out when Kyler is coming back, because apparently I don't

700
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 4: know anything. Don't cut that either, Elmo.

701
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 3: You believed in yourself, Danny, you just don't anymore.

702
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: It's like I'll cite Garrett Williams as an example to

703
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: a degree. Obviously, he plays a vastly different position with

704
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: far fewer responsibilities and pressure on him. But Garrett Williams

705
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: told us last week on The Big Red Rage, you know,

706
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: at some point I was only getting so much out

707
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: of practice, right. You know, let's say Allen Iverson, it's practice.

708
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 4: Man.

709
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: At some point, you got to get out there into

710
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: a game, and you're going to be playing your first

711
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: game in about a year if you're Garrett Williams, and

712
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: it's going to be really fast in the first quarter,

713
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 2: and it's gonna settle down in the second quarter, and

714
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: you're gonna make your share of mistakes. But on his

715
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: weekly TV show, Jonathan Gannon said that Garrett Williams really

716
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: grated out vastly better in game two than you do

717
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 2: in Game one, even though he didn't have the pick,

718
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: he didn't have the splash play. You heard Nick Ross

719
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: talk about that triangle in the secondary and the inside

720
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: of the defense right with Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson

721
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: and Garrett Williams, which you know was featured a little

722
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: bit in those Baldy breakdowns as well. I think if

723
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: you're the Cardinals. You feel real good about that trio

724
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: at safety slash Nickel corner going forward. Obviously you got

725
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: to figure out the outside cornerbacks, right, But just as

726
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: an example of Garrett Williams, at some point, Yeah, it's

727
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 2: gonna be a year without any full speed, full contact football,

728
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: but you got to get in there.

729
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I I think what you were talking about earlier,

730
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 4: Paul's is all the experience that Kyler has playing football

731
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 4: in this league. Yes, this is a new scheme, but

732
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 4: at some point, to a certain degree, all that experience

733
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 4: is still going to help him much more than these

734
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 4: other quarterbacks.

735
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: Right.

736
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 4: Josh Dobbs didn't have even a fraction of that experience

737
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 4: when he came in. Clayton Tun obviously doesn't have that

738
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 4: kind of experience. So even though both Tune and Kyler

739
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 4: have really just been in the meeting rooms, it's not

740
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 4: like Claytontuon's been getting a lot of the reps with

741
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 4: the ones. Kyler, in my opinion, is still going to

742
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 4: have a leg up because of how much he has

743
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 4: seen in the league, which is obviously going to help

744
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 4: him when he's in those meetings and watching film and

745
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 4: understanding things quickly. We've heard from his teammates that the

746
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 4: first time Kyler is out there practicing, he was already

747
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 4: making checks. The line we've seen with our own eyes

748
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 4: when we are out there at the open portion of practice,

749
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,959
Speaker 4: that Kyler is still slinging it like he's got that zip.

750
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: It doesn't look like to our naked eye that anything

751
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: of that knee is hindering him in any sort of

752
00:36:59,160 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 4: the way.

753
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: The big question only Kyler knows this is how is

754
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: he going to feel mentally when he's got guys at

755
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 2: his feet, when he's no longer wearing the non contact jersey.

756
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 3: I mean, to me, that's the biggest thing. And we've

757
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: talked about this on the podcast before, and now Dobbs

758
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: has gone, so the direct comparison has also gone. But

759
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: Josh Dobbs made a ton of rushing yards this year,

760
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: having a chance to be tackled, breaking tackles, taking on

761
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: tacklers and getting around them, where Kyler in the same

762
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: positions in years past always went down immediately. How many

763
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: more yards did Josh Dobbs get you with the legs

764
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: that you wouldn't got Kyler? And that was before Kyler

765
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: had a major knee injury, and now you're talking about

766
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: the mental part about that. I'm curious to see how

767
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 3: all that plays out.

768
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: Is he strictly going to be a pocket quarterback when

769
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: he comes back? At first, I don't see like they

770
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: ran that two point conversion early in the Josh Dobbs era,

771
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: if we can call it that. For the two point conversion,

772
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: they run quarterback power. That's not happening with Kyler, even

773
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: though he's really effective in the red zone.

774
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 4: I don't see Kyler necessarily being a pocket quarterback. I

775
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 4: don't think there will be as many designed runs in

776
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 4: the first few weeks that there will be later on

777
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 4: or maybe in the future. But I still think we

778
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 4: will see the scrambles and we'll see him extend plays

779
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 4: some of the way that we saw Josh Stopps. Now

780
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 4: they they extend plays very differently. Dobbs would hang in

781
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 4: the pocket a little longer and he would run through

782
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 4: the line right. We actually saw this past week Jobs

783
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 4: did what Kyler Murray typically does when he extends plays,

784
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 4: which is roll out of the pocket, go back a

785
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 4: couple of yards behind the line of scrimmage, and hopefully

786
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: you don't get sacked, because then what would have been

787
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 4: what a two yard sack becomes a twelve or fifteen

788
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 4: yard sack, So they extend plays pretty differently. Unless that's

789
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 4: going to change now with this new scheme in the

790
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 4: new coaching staff. Maybe that's something that is going to

791
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 4: change in Kyler's game.

792
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: And look, something that always benefits Kyler is if he

793
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 2: figures out the other team is using a spy because

794
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: they're one defender who's allocated to him. Great, that's a

795
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: guy taking out of coverage. If you're going to be

796
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: a spy. Josh Dobbs said, that started to happen, which

797
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: is another adjustment that defense has started to make. After

798
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: a few games with the Arizona Cardinals, he started starting

799
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: in the Cincinnati game, they used a spy, just like

800
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 2: the Cardinals had Buddha as a spy against Lamar Jackson

801
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 2: in some of those key third down passing situations. He

802
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: was there, and you know, so it's gonna happen. But

803
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: if you can use your brain to dissect a defense,

804
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: and that can be a real liability for the defense

805
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: because obviously it's one last guy they have out in coverage.

806
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: So because it can always get worse. Calvic consulting the

807
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: Polypigskin Division did come up with a couple of nicknames

808
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: that are still in sort of the formative phases here. Yeah, working, Okay,

809
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: So when it comes to that triangle, right, the whole

810
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 2: triangle that Nick Rollis was talking about, Jalen Thompson, Buddha

811
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: Baker and Garrett Williams. Yes, we've all heard of the

812
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: Bermuda triangle. We have what about the Buddha triangle more

813
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: than just Buddha it is, so it's it's not that

814
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 2: kind of felt flat that one's okay, So then we'll

815
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 2: save the better one for last, hopefully. When you're talking

816
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: about the chaotic defensive line front where there are guys

817
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: just standing and.

818
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 3: Mauling around, there was lots of lots of times when

819
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: there was no down lineman against Lamar John.

820
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: I don't know about you guys, but I've actually gone

821
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: into the locker room and said, Okay, what do you

822
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 2: guys call that. I can't get an answer. No one's

823
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 2: going to answer it. I don't know if there isn't

824
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 2: a name, I don't know if they won't answer it

825
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: if it's classified information. So in the absence of information,

826
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: we make ups our own instead of fifty two card

827
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 2: pick up. What if we went with eleven card pickup

828
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: cards card Whenever they show that defensive scheme, we'll go

829
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: with eleven card pickup.

830
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: I like it. I think it is funny about the

831
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 3: secret of stuff. I asked Jeff Rogers, the assistant head

832
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: coach and and special teams coordinator, because Aaron Brewer his

833
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 3: wife had their second shild Sunday morning and he still

834
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: made it to the game, which is good because there

835
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 3: are no other long snappers on the team. But I

836
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 3: asked him who the emergency long snapper is. He wouldn't

837
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 3: tell me.

838
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: Really, that's classified.

839
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, you wouldn't think so. But it was well, Thank

840
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: goodness Aaron Brewer was there though, because.

841
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: According to Jonathan and I wanted to ask brew how

842
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: much Sleepy had the night before. I don't know, but

843
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: and he's one of our favorite dudes, Aaron Brewer. I mean,

844
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: he's just unbelievable guy, who's what his eleventh year in

845
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: the league. And when Jeff Rodgers found him at San

846
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: Diego State and gave him an invite to Broncos camp

847
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: once upon a time coming out of college, Aaron Brewer

848
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: was like stupefied He's like, really, they want to take

849
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: a look at me for the NFL. Brewer told me

850
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: his couple of training camps ago, he thought he had

851
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: no chance in an NFL career. He literally told his

852
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: roommate upon leaving for Denver, he said, well, you know, maybe, hey,

853
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: maybe I'll get to meet Peyton Manning. That was his

854
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: only expectation is maybe I'll get to meet Peyton Manning.

855
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: And now eleven years later, he's been in the league.

856
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 2: Pretty funny. Where was I going with all this?

857
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: Oh?

858
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the emergency quarterback? Who isn't a quarterback? Like

859
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: if disaster hits knock on Wood, it doesn't, who is

860
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: like the emergency position player? Quarterback? Garrett Williams told us

861
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: that he was a big time high school quarterback until

862
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: he injured his shoulder his senior year and then he

863
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: couldn't throw, and so they move his junior year and

864
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: then they moved him to to dB exclusively and boom,

865
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: the rest is history. Is one of the top recruits

866
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: in the nation. But I wonder who is a guy

867
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Speaker 2: who could play quarterback if because especially now now assuming

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Speaker 2: they're going to get that third quarterback and the Cardinals

869
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: think about it if Kyler Murray isn't ready, Yes, you're

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00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: gonna have Clayton Tune and to be named later, Yes,

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00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: Driscoll or someone else. So if you go through two

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00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: quarterbacks against a top three defense and Miles Garrett, who's

873
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 2: that third guy? Just in case?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean to be fair, that's we could have

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00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: said that every game because they've only had two quarterbacks

876
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: active of every game. True, that's a good question I have.

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00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: Have we seen Zach Pascal throw the ball for some reason?

878
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 3: I feel like I've seen him toss the ball around

879
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 3: a little bit. Not that you would let an emerging

880
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 3: emergency quarterback throw up much.

881
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: That's true, although Patrick Peterson used to a little bit.

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00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 4: Right.

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00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: Wasn't there a time where Pat p got in and

884
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: actually got a pass off?

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00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

886
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: Was that a design deal or was he actually running

887
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: at No, it was.

888
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 3: A design pass, but he was running as a wide

889
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: receiver and then threw the ball.

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00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 4: I have a trivia question for you guys. I don't

891
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 4: say trivia because I don't know the answer, So just

892
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 4: a question. So Clayton Tune. His great great uncle, Jim Lawrence,

893
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 4: was the Cardinals first ever draft pick. Has there ever

894
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 4: been multiple family members to play for the Cardinals organization.

895
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 2: Well, Paris Johnson Junior's dad.

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00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 4: Okay, that's good point the top. Yeah, I should have

897
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 4: known that. One.

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00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: Beyond that, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Great question possible, But I mean, when you're talking about

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00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 3: a franchise that's been around for plus one hundred years,

901
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: it's you don't want to rule anything out.

902
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: So all right, what are the big plans for Cleveland? Anything? Anyone? Anyone?

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Speaker 1: Guy?

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00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: I got to look and see how cold it's going

905
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 4: to be.

906
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Speaker 2: We ran some video Jonathan Gannon on his TV show

907
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: of his high school days. Legend, I did not know

908
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: the man ran hurdles. He was like top ten in

909
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: the state and like the one ten high hurdles or

910
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: something ridiculous.

911
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: And the only reason he ran hurdles is because they

912
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: wanted him. He was a great baseball player and decided

913
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 3: he moved away from baseball because he wanted to play

914
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Speaker 3: aau basketball during summer baseball. So and then and his

915
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 3: football coaches wanted to make sure he did something in

916
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: the spring is last year and that's why he I'm like,

917
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 3: he wasn't doing track and then he just did it

918
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Speaker 3: because he needed to. And then he kicked.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's but he absolutely gives the vibe to someone who

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00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 4: would just be good at whatever sport he picked up

921
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Speaker 4: and just put in the work and great what happened.

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Speaker 3: Because he he loved basketball, and he was convinced that

923
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Speaker 3: maybe he had a better chance moving up the ladder

924
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Speaker 3: as a football player than a basketball player. And he said, I, well,

925
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Speaker 3: maybe he was maybe finished baseball a little earlier in

926
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Speaker 3: his career, but he said, I might have been baseball

927
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: might have been my best sport, but I didn't like it.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know that's before they had the pitch clock,

930
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: so maybe it was a little too slow for coach Cannon.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to see some of that video,

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Speaker 2: it's definitely on Game Plan, which is Friday night six

933
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Speaker 2: thirty on twelve News Cardinals in Focus. We might feature

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Speaker 2: it as well. It's good stuff. There's video of him

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Speaker 2: sinking a free throw a few seconds left in the

936
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Speaker 2: state titled basketball game to make it a three point

937
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Speaker 2: margin and then they celebrate. There's him making a pick

938
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Speaker 2: as a dB, which eventually went to Louisville on a

939
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Speaker 2: full ride a scholarship, and then there's there's some some

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Speaker 2: video evidence of him running the hurdles as well.

941
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Speaker 3: Where did all this come from?

942
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Speaker 2: Somehow, our VP Tim Delaney got some sort of footage somewhere,

943
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Speaker 2: I don't know, out of the Cleveland our archives somewhere.

944
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: So you know, in fact, we said we're we might

945
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: go to Johnny's on Fulton, which is a restaurant that's

946
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: been there for more than one hundred years. And immediately

947
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 2: jgh perked up because I think he got married at

948
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Speaker 2: the Catholic church across the street and down the block.

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Speaker 2: Saint Roccos is where he got married. No joke, because

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Speaker 2: we've gone to Johnny's on Folding before, and I come on, go,

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Speaker 2: that is a really cool Catholic church.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 2: I wish I was a member of that parish. Saint Roccos.

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Speaker 2: Oh cool.

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Speaker 4: I guess that's why they named their son Rocco.

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Speaker 3: Maybe there you go.

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Speaker 2: I had to guess I did not know that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's good, all right, Well, I mean I haven't looked

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Speaker 2: at the Cleveland weather forecast yet, Danny, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to know. It doesn't matter until we get to about Friday, because.

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Speaker 4: There's no your friend, I've got a really big, long,

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Speaker 4: like polar bear looking coat. So I'll be ready.

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Speaker 2: It's good, okay, I'm a win for the cold. Until then,

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Speaker 2: we'll see you next week here on Cardinals Underground, brought

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