Speaker 1: I've had the exact right amount of coffee two cups. Well,
Speaker 1: you see me, I got three cups. You run the
Speaker 1: other way.
Speaker 2: You've had two cups, have you.
Speaker 1: That's what I need to get to get going on
Speaker 1: a Monday morning when it's still cold outside, despite the
Speaker 1: fact that it is almost spring. It's your birthday week.
Speaker 1: And we were last week in Tennis Paradise in the desert,
Speaker 1: and then we returned to winter in New York. It's US.
Speaker 1: It's Indian Wells Recap podcast. Welcome to the show, the
Speaker 1: Renee Stubs Podcast. It's going to contain some complaining about weather,
Speaker 1: but mostly it's going to contain some joyous reviews of
Speaker 1: what we just watched for two weeks in the desert,
Speaker 1: which was, to my mind, incredible, unbelievable.
Speaker 3: It was a very memorable tournament for so many what reasons, like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, It's just I know that your obsession
Speaker 3: with for writing and getting upset about the top three
Speaker 3: and the.
Speaker 2: Top four and I'm so over these guys and you know,
Speaker 2: the Rogers RAFs and I mean, I listen, I get
Speaker 2: your point, but you know, the vitriol that you say
Speaker 2: it with is not appreciated by US tennis pearists.
Speaker 1: I let me take a moment to explain myself, because
Speaker 1: you're referring to a tweet that I sent last night
Speaker 1: in response to our friend, fellow tennis commentator and fellow
Speaker 1: tennis journalist L. John Wortheim, who was looking ahead from
Speaker 1: Indian Wells to the draw in Miami and noting that
Speaker 1: Raff and a Doll is not going to be there,
Speaker 1: and Curious is not going to be there, Novak Djokovic
Speaker 1: is not going to be there, a number of people
Speaker 1: we have two out of the big three who are
Speaker 1: still playing not going to be there as among other absences,
Speaker 1: and it just sort of made me angry. I'll be
Speaker 1: honest angry because I'm sitting here thinking, oh, my god,
Speaker 1: We've just had this two week tournament where the at
Speaker 1: least on the men's side, obviously both on the women's side,
Speaker 1: but on the men's side, we've had so many incredible storylines,
Speaker 1: so many credible narratives, so much incredible play, and we're
Speaker 1: already getting upset about Miami not having the same guys
Speaker 1: who we didn't have in Indian Wells and thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: this tournament's not going to be that great. To me,
Speaker 1: it's just like, what are we doing here, guys, We're
Speaker 1: shooting ourselves in the foot. Those are great players. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the Big Three was great, the Big Four was great.
Speaker 1: Novak is still great. Nadal is now out of the
Speaker 1: top ten for the first time in fifteen some years.
Speaker 1: You know, he's still great. I still a threat to
Speaker 1: win Roland Garros. All I'm saying is I am so
Speaker 1: ready to talk about these other players. And these other
Speaker 1: players are doing their part, they're winning, they're playing great,
Speaker 1: and so for me, it's not about who's not there.
Speaker 1: It's about who is there, and let's talk about them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I get you. I get you, buddy,
Speaker 2: I get you. I always preface by saying it would
Speaker 2: be great to have them here, but they're not. And
Speaker 2: so we got this which was as top shelf of
Speaker 2: tennis as we've seen in a long time for all players.
Speaker 2: So so let's get going on the week, you know,
Speaker 2: the week and a half. In general. You and I
Speaker 2: popped out there for the weekend, as people know, which
Speaker 2: was great. But for me, the crowds out there were
Speaker 2: crazy good. First of all, I know, people were sort
Speaker 2: of like, well, I see a lot of empty you know,
Speaker 2: seats in the stands and blah blah. Well, because the
Speaker 2: stadiums are also big, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 2: we saw the crowds out there. I mean they were
Speaker 2: lining up.
Speaker 1: To get out the record crowds. They haven't had crowds
Speaker 1: this big in years.
Speaker 2: And also they're lining up to get onto the outside
Speaker 2: courts as well. Some people don't necessarily want to watch
Speaker 2: the stars and kind of prove your point a little bit,
Speaker 2: you know, people people also want to be around the
Speaker 2: grounds just getting in watching Actually they were watching a
Speaker 2: lot of doubles. They were trying to get into random
Speaker 2: singles matches. So look, the health of the sport, clearly
Speaker 2: after spending the week and a half, you know, watching
Speaker 2: the crowds out there, is the sport is healthy, very
Speaker 2: healthy without as you said, without the top you know,
Speaker 2: big names like Roger, Ratha Novak and Serena not being
Speaker 2: at that tournament anyway. So the women, let's start with
Speaker 2: the women. Well, I mean, we thought Eager was just
Speaker 2: going to walk away with this scene. The way she
Speaker 2: was playing, she was like breadsticking and bageling everyone. Still,
Speaker 2: she was looking unbelievable, but then she just runs into
Speaker 2: this buzzer of Rebakin. But I have to say I
Speaker 2: know that she was a little bit hurt. She apparently
Speaker 2: had this pains in her rib that she sustained. She
Speaker 2: said she felt it apparently in the match before against Christaia.
Speaker 2: So you know, if you're not healthy, you're not going
Speaker 2: to beat Rebeking. The way she's playing right now, I
Speaker 2: mean she is just hitting the ball so well. The
Speaker 2: forehand is not making the errors. It was under pressure before.
Speaker 2: We saw that pretty obviously in both the semi and final.
Speaker 2: I mean it's beating the number one and number two,
Speaker 2: ply it back to back. That's fantastic. I know she
Speaker 2: beat your girl, Sabulenka, but but that was that wasn't
Speaker 2: a She's just so.
Speaker 1: Cool these two. It's really fire and ice that matchup.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you've got Sabolnka who's demonstrativeness, her fire,
Speaker 1: her theory, her silliness. I love it to me. She's
Speaker 1: like has components of players I've loved deeply in the past,
Speaker 1: like Yolena Yankovich in terms of her like drama and shortmanship,
Speaker 1: but she also has like the raw power and sort
Speaker 1: of fury that Sharapova had sometimes with like Serena's shot making.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not you know, it's it's I don't
Speaker 1: want to make comparisons because she's your own person, but
Speaker 1: I love watching her so much because she feels like
Speaker 1: she's pure id. And then you have her Baccana, who's
Speaker 1: just like as cool as a cucumber hitting lasers, but
Speaker 1: just you know, totally totally stoic, which is also amazing.
Speaker 1: And truly I could watch these two face off in
Speaker 1: finals for years to come because there's such a contrast.
Speaker 1: And obviously, you know, I think when you have a
Speaker 1: really good final like we did in Australia between the
Speaker 1: two of them, you sort of hope, like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: this is a rivalry we can watch kind of like
Speaker 1: you know, Alcaraz and Sinner when we watched them in
Speaker 1: the US Open last year, and then seeing them again
Speaker 1: this year in the semifinals of the men's. I know
Speaker 1: we're wanting to focus on the women's right now, but
Speaker 1: just I love when the rivalries continue to kind of deliver. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the second set was a little bit lopsided in that final.
Speaker 1: The tiebreak could not have been closer. I think it
Speaker 1: was thirteen eleven or so, but like, oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: was just really thrilled with the contrast and the fact
Speaker 1: that they combined again for another kind of blockbuster showdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they certainly played their best at times and their
Speaker 2: worst at times. I mean, yeah, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the double faults came back to haunt sable Anca. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think I think she has to learn from this
Speaker 2: a little bit. I mean in Australia she double folded
Speaker 2: a bunch of the start, but then she sort of
Speaker 2: got it together and she got the rhythm back. But
Speaker 2: I think what she has to recognizes it when she
Speaker 2: loses the rhythm like that, especially on big points, and
Speaker 2: it's really hard for a big server to do this.
Speaker 2: But she was getting you know, cleaned up on the
Speaker 2: second serve and or she's double folding. She had to
Speaker 2: take a little bit of pace off the serve on
Speaker 2: some set, like the set point when she double faulted, Like,
Speaker 2: she has to understand when the rhythm goes off a
Speaker 2: little bit and she kind of gets into that funk
Speaker 2: again of losing the power slash control balance where she's like,
Speaker 2: oh okay, and she did it in the second set,
Speaker 2: so she can do it she can take the pace off.
Speaker 2: I think on some really big points, she has to
Speaker 2: learn a little bit of a lesson of not necessarily
Speaker 2: going for the big bombo every time, you know. So,
Speaker 2: you know, and she paid the prices. Double faults really
Speaker 2: killed her. I mean, the irony was when Sablenka double folded.
Speaker 2: I loved it though, because Sabalanka was double folding and
Speaker 2: getting herself in trouble and Rebakina finally gets a set
Speaker 2: point on her own serf and double files and she's file.
Speaker 2: It was the first double fault she hit the whole set,
Speaker 2: and she hit it on set point. It was kind
Speaker 2: of but I like that she kind of got a
Speaker 2: little brit on her face.
Speaker 1: Sure well, also just sort of some emotional resilience there,
Speaker 1: you know, like the not to skip ahead to the
Speaker 1: end of the match, but watching the trophy ceremony and
Speaker 1: you know, Ribacchina is giving her opponent, you know, because
Speaker 1: it's not just about the final. Obviously, these two women
Speaker 1: had phenomenal, phenomenal tournaments, and I'd love to talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about some of their road to getting to
Speaker 1: the finals, just because so many of those matches were great,
Speaker 1: you know. Obviously, Rabachina went through egistriantek Sebolenka had a
Speaker 1: pretty entertaining match against Maria Socker, who I was very
Speaker 1: happy to see at the end stages of a tournament
Speaker 1: again after having you know, had some success at Indian
Speaker 1: Wells getting to the final prior. But like to me,
Speaker 1: the fact that Sablenka kind of stuck at her tongue
Speaker 1: and sort of jokingly interrupted rabacchina speech saying, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you finally beat me, but next time, you know, I
Speaker 1: have to make sure that's not the that's the last time.
Speaker 1: You know, there's some like playful ribbing. Obviously these two
Speaker 1: have like a nice sort of report, but also I
Speaker 1: think it speaks to the fact that, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a lightheartedness to their play, which
Speaker 1: I think is fun and show and shows like I
Speaker 1: like the fact that there's you know, it's not just
Speaker 1: like this corporate you know, I want to thank my
Speaker 1: four hundred list of sponsors and my agent. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: we're kind of we're jocular, We're we're mixing it up.
Speaker 1: We're you know, let's see each other in another final
Speaker 1: and see what happens. And I feel like that kind
Speaker 1: of summarized for me a lot of the you know,
Speaker 1: this final didn't feel painful or fraught the way that
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, matchups can feel, and so for me,
Speaker 1: I just feel like it was such a good experience
Speaker 1: watching the two of them kind of tear their way
Speaker 1: to the jaws and meet the finals.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean there was a period there where you
Speaker 2: thought Kyjikova might take out Sabalanca again. It was like
Speaker 2: the it felt like the same match. You know, Sabalanki
Speaker 2: comes out smoking, wins the first set, and then Chikova
Speaker 2: fights back and then it goes right down to the y.
Speaker 2: So that that's a really nice matchup as well. Kajikova,
Speaker 2: obviously he's fully back as far as her singles is concerned.
Speaker 2: She's you know, she's found the confidence again and when
Speaker 2: she's on she's so good. So she can take and
Speaker 2: withstand the power of a Sabalankar or a Rebeckina and
Speaker 2: sort of redirect the ball because she likes the pace
Speaker 2: coming at her. So it'll be interesting to see how
Speaker 2: she keeps playing through the season. We know how good
Speaker 2: she is on clay after winning the French Open, and
Speaker 2: so she's back in the mix. And I like that
Speaker 2: she won another, you know, another doubles title with sinew Kova.
Speaker 2: I mean those two are just so dominant doubles, so
Speaker 2: so her confidence is up, So that's good. I would
Speaker 2: say that Rebackina, now think what she go to seven
Speaker 2: in the world. She should be three in the world
Speaker 2: at this point after winning Wimbledon finals, this stray and Open,
Speaker 2: winning it this Master's you know, WTA one thousand, but
Speaker 2: you know her points weren't counted for Wimbledon. But it
Speaker 2: also just shows to you how someone like a Jaspergoula,
Speaker 2: who was still ranked ahead of her, how consistent she's
Speaker 2: been for twelve months herself winning a w TAO one
Speaker 2: down thousand as well. But she's been super consistent in
Speaker 2: the Grand Slam.
Speaker 4: So well, you know when miss Tammis is unbelievably healthy
Speaker 4: right now with all these I mean, everybody thinks Ega
Speaker 4: is going to win everything, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: she just she plays one average match against a really
Speaker 4: big hitter, and everyone lets so know that, Hey.
Speaker 2: Listen, she's not the only one that's going to win
Speaker 2: these matches easily. So it's really healthy at the top
Speaker 2: of this, Yeah, lay a full players that are doing
Speaker 2: unbelievably consistently well. Waken and wake out.
Speaker 1: Now, I agree with you completely. And I think the
Speaker 1: fact that we had so many prior Slam winners so
Speaker 1: deep in the tournament, we had so much variety of
Speaker 1: styles deep in the tournament, and you know, it's hard
Speaker 1: to it's hard to not go with Ego just given
Speaker 1: her ability to withstand. I think a lot of things
Speaker 1: that people throw at her. That said, when she plays
Speaker 1: a big hitter like a Rabacchiina or satel Aanca, like
Speaker 1: the match is not necessarily on her racket, You know, No,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's sort of I don't know. I
Speaker 1: love that. I like that there's a contrast in style,
Speaker 1: and as you said, Kadjikova, who's part of that incredible.
Speaker 1: They know this is a little bit of a day
Speaker 1: of a left turn, but just the checks announced their BJK,
Speaker 1: their Billaging King Cup lineup this morning. It's berber KaiA,
Speaker 1: Katerina sin Nakova, Linden Oskova, Mukhova, and our Kidjevandroskova. Like
Speaker 1: they should just let let those ladies play Davis Cup
Speaker 1: and Fed Cup because they're gonna just tear through the draw,
Speaker 1: Like that's so crazy, given the singles and the doubles,
Speaker 1: the depth of that check team, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: we should just send them into space and have them
Speaker 1: fight aliens on bad Earth, Like, is anybody gonna with
Speaker 1: Santa Chance out there, you know against the I.
Speaker 2: Mean they've they've dominated for so long. I mean they're
Speaker 2: not even and two people not even in.
Speaker 1: The Petrick Kvita is not even in the lineup, Like.
Speaker 2: Petro Kvitiva and Carolina Polishkov are not even in the team.
Speaker 2: So I mean it's like and the least could go on.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they've always been the most incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should just like put them in the you know,
Speaker 1: Marvel universe and have them like fighting any bad guys
Speaker 1: that come our way, like anyway, just to take us
Speaker 1: out of it. But the true Kajikova is obviously kind
Speaker 1: of leading that squad and its school this year back
Speaker 1: and doing so well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I sort of disagree with you a
Speaker 2: little bit on Sakary. I think that I just think
Speaker 2: she's like keeps I feel like she's hit her head
Speaker 2: on the ceiling. You know, It's like she gets through these,
Speaker 2: you know, she got through the match with Kavittiv, for example,
Speaker 2: down a set and four two, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: with akmviit of a serving, so you know, Kavetiv really
Speaker 2: should have won that match in straight tests. But then
Speaker 2: she went and did such a Petra Covitiva thing, which
Speaker 2: is like miss twenty balls in a row and couldn't
Speaker 2: find the court, you know, And then Sakary found her
Speaker 2: way in and started serving better because she said horrifically
Speaker 2: in the first set. So so, but I just I
Speaker 2: keep waiting for her like breakthrough and win one of
Speaker 2: these tournaments, and it's like it's such a mental block
Speaker 2: for me with her, it's not the game. I think
Speaker 2: she could. I think she could change up her game somewhat.
Speaker 2: I think she could use definitely, definitely slice her back
Speaker 2: end more. I think it would set up her game
Speaker 2: a lot more. I think she tries to hit flat
Speaker 2: through that back end way too much and it settles
Speaker 2: into these girl is hitting zone too much, and you know,
Speaker 2: I think she could bury her service speeds from time
Speaker 2: to time. I just think there's little things that she
Speaker 2: could do to get breakthrough against these sid of players,
Speaker 2: for their athleticism is off the charts. One thing I
Speaker 2: will say about Sabolenka, sorry, not Sabalanka. Rebakina is her
Speaker 2: new fitness trainer, Zula. He used to work with Plishkova,
Speaker 2: and I know him from my days of working with Carolina.
Speaker 2: Great guy. I think he's improved her movement so much
Speaker 2: out of the corners of the court. You know, We've
Speaker 2: had a chat about it and something that he said
Speaker 2: that they've worked really hard on and you can see it.
Speaker 2: I mean, the movement aspect of her tennis for me,
Speaker 2: has improved so much in a year, and I think
Speaker 2: he's done a really good job with that. He's a
Speaker 2: track guy. He worked with Birdick. Before that, he worked
Speaker 2: with Carolina, so he's worked with players that are really.
Speaker 1: Tall and lean. I was gonna say, she's so tall
Speaker 1: and lean, and it's hard to describe because on TV
Speaker 1: the camera shrinks them and kind of makes them look wider.
Speaker 1: When you see these guys in person, they're like they're
Speaker 1: like trees. And I think some people who don't have
Speaker 1: a ton of muscle definition, like like a Karly and Pushkova,
Speaker 1: maybe like a verdict like a certainly like a Rebekna. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that movement they can feel a little stiff, sometimes moving,
Speaker 1: and I feel like that is definitely a notable change
Speaker 1: because she wasn't getting on the defense the way that
Speaker 1: you know Sabolenka had her on the run. That's a
Speaker 1: very very interesting point for sure.
Speaker 2: I just even yesterday, like she might not hit a
Speaker 2: great shot off it, but she got you would get
Speaker 2: there and she would you know, pop it in the
Speaker 2: air and get it back in the court.
Speaker 1: And that just builds.
Speaker 2: Anxiety for your opponent is particularly someone like a Sablenka
Speaker 2: who you feel her anxiety coming through like every shot
Speaker 2: because she's just like, you know, screaming through everything. So
Speaker 2: I think getting one or two balls back in the court,
Speaker 2: even though they might not have anything on them, that builds,
Speaker 2: as I said, the pressure and anxiety that you have
Speaker 2: to hit a better shot. And so her getting out
Speaker 2: to those balls is a testament to her. Crew are
Speaker 2: getting her into that physical shape, and it's credit to
Speaker 2: her because if she's leaving better look out.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean this is like probably one of
Speaker 1: her worst surfaces because she really prefers a faster court.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we've made a lot has been
Speaker 1: made about the speed of the Indian Worl's court, it's
Speaker 1: for hard court about as slow as it can get.
Speaker 1: And for me, Rebakkin is so dangerous on faster courts
Speaker 1: that once she figures out how to move and defend,
Speaker 1: as you say, on slower courts like good night, you know,
Speaker 1: how many times do you have put the ball away
Speaker 1: against her before she can do the same to you.
Speaker 1: So I feel like that's it's exciting to watch players
Speaker 1: level up, and I kind of and I do agree
Speaker 1: with you. I think the point about Maria Socker is
Speaker 1: a good one, which is for me it was sort
Speaker 1: of a relief just that she made it to the semifinals.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that sort of speaks to diminished expectations,
Speaker 1: which I shouldn't have because she's such a great athlete
Speaker 1: and she has such a great, you know, amount of potential,
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, maybe it's the low expectations
Speaker 1: on my end that's actually sort of the problem, right,
Speaker 1: And maybe that's kind of she's internalized that too, like
Speaker 1: maybe it's like, oh, well, I got the semis, that's
Speaker 1: good enough, and it's like, well, she should really be
Speaker 1: I think personally that Maria Sakary should have two slams
Speaker 1: right now, and well.
Speaker 2: She definitely should have. Well, I won't say she should
Speaker 2: have one, because I think she should have definitely definitely
Speaker 2: as we know, been in the finals of the French
Speaker 2: playing against Public Chinkova.
Speaker 1: She had a match point against Barbara Kujigova in that
Speaker 1: semi and I would argue the year that Rata Kanu won.
Speaker 1: As much as I like Rata Kanu and I am
Speaker 1: happy to talk about her because I was really happy
Speaker 1: to see her back and playing well and getting some
Speaker 1: really quality wins, but Sakari should have been at least
Speaker 1: been in that final and I think probably have won it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think maybe I have some lowered expectations
Speaker 1: for Sakari, which is kind of made a bad sign.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well we'll see, you know obviously. Look, I
Speaker 2: just I think a lot of hers is like just
Speaker 2: mental at some point, Like you know, when she won
Speaker 2: her second round I think it was or and she
Speaker 2: was so excited and it was a tough three set match,
Speaker 2: I get it, but I just remember thinking, wow, if
Speaker 2: she shouldn't be that emotional winning that match, Like that's
Speaker 2: where you've got to manage your emotions, you know, You've
Speaker 2: got to manage your expectation and think, okay, yes, this
Speaker 2: was a dramatic match, but like she was almost in tears,
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, that is just that is a
Speaker 2: combination and a culmination of pressure and I don't know,
Speaker 2: lack of confidence. I don't know what it is, but
Speaker 2: that to me was a little surprising. I mean, be happy,
Speaker 2: but but but the but the but the way she
Speaker 2: celebrated that match, I was very surprised. Yeah, so, I
Speaker 2: mean she did. It wasn't like that when she beat committed.
Speaker 2: I think it's because she was winning so comfortably in
Speaker 2: the end, but also probably felt like she got out
Speaker 2: of jail on a little bit. But you know, it's
Speaker 2: an ongoing process and I hope she breaks.
Speaker 1: Through because she's such a nice kid, say next, great
Speaker 1: kid rooting for her, and the game is fun to watch.
Speaker 1: Shall we talk a little bit about the men?
Speaker 2: Sure?
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Speaker 2: I mean, how excited that would be about this kid?
Speaker 2: Like literally, I know that you you know, here we go,
Speaker 2: you don't want to have that person. They're like, we're
Speaker 2: hang our hats on one or two people, you know,
Speaker 2: But I'm sorry, Caitlin, you gotta love and hang your
Speaker 2: hat on this kid because he is so fricking exciting
Speaker 2: and he's gonna make everybody just like Rafa, just like
Speaker 2: Roger and Novak. He's gonna make everyone better because he
Speaker 2: made he made Medvedev. He made Medvedev look terrible yesterday.
Speaker 2: And by that I mean Medvedev has not lost a
Speaker 2: match in three tournaments. Okay, comes in here not looking
Speaker 2: like he can lose to anybody, right, not making.
Speaker 1: He's gonna win the tournament. To be honest, that had
Speaker 1: this tournament back in the back.
Speaker 2: Now I think this court suited Alchorize better. That's what
Speaker 2: you know, we'd clear alone. We're all very aware of
Speaker 2: how Medvedev felt about the court, which.
Speaker 1: I hate you, but maybe I secretly love you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I loved his speech where he's like, okay, so
Speaker 2: now I want to thank the court. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I got here, we go. I just think he's hilarious.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know him on it not I wouldn't
Speaker 2: say I know him on a deep personal level, but
Speaker 2: I certainly have had my interactions with him enough to
Speaker 2: know that I just I love the guy. He's like,
Speaker 2: he's so honest, he's so funny. There are times where
Speaker 2: I wish he'd stop bitching about the court, but it's
Speaker 2: kind of like it's gotten to a point where it
Speaker 2: was funny, and then he always brings it up in
Speaker 2: press or in these postmatch interviews or in the trophy presentation.
Speaker 1: He's just he's a classic.
Speaker 2: He's just being honest about how he feels. He said,
Speaker 2: you know, it hurt my ankle, hurt my finger, but
Speaker 2: it's okay. I want to be back here again next year.
Speaker 2: But he back to Alparez. He literally made Medvedev look
Speaker 2: terrible yesterday. He was over powering Danil Mavedev like there
Speaker 2: were there were some rallies and this is the thing
Speaker 2: that I really noticed about ol Charaz yesterday. Even throughout
Speaker 2: all the tournament, he'll give you one bad game right
Speaker 2: where you're just like, oh god. That was the nineteen
Speaker 2: year old coming out in force, right, not making like
Speaker 2: just missing balls where you're just like, oh dude, like
Speaker 2: he'd lose. He served like to love after breaking, and
Speaker 2: you just know that's the nineteen year old part of
Speaker 2: him still right, the immaturity. But yesterday he would be
Speaker 2: happy to rally and not really go for it, you know,
Speaker 2: and hit one backhand, two backhands, and then he would
Speaker 2: crush one backhand and it would literally push Medvedev backwards
Speaker 2: where he couldn't control the ball. And I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, like he's literally overpowering Daniel Medvedev, which
Speaker 2: never happens. That just shows you how great he is
Speaker 2: at changing the pace of the ball, I mean, and
Speaker 2: how hard he hits the ball, and how athletic he
Speaker 2: is to make you allow you to thinking he's going
Speaker 2: to hit a certain shot in then bob or he goes,
Speaker 2: you know, to hit a big forehand drop shot, and
Speaker 2: he's like what the fuck. Like his variety is off
Speaker 2: the charts. He is like a combination of the Big three. Literally,
Speaker 2: he has characteristics of all three, Yes, the characteristics of
Speaker 2: all three. He comes forward and plays and wants to
Speaker 2: come into the net and finish points off like Roger.
Speaker 2: He has the spin on the forehand and you know,
Speaker 2: the flatness of the backhand, and the variety of you
Speaker 2: know of, and the flexibility and the speed around the
Speaker 2: court like Novak, And he has the tenacity and that
Speaker 2: sort of drive and desire and friendly looks like happiness
Speaker 2: like Nadule.
Speaker 1: It's just he's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I mean, you heard the speech when Medvedev said, I
Speaker 2: want to thank you, congratulate you. You're like the nicest guy.
Speaker 2: You say a load to every one hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: people a day. It's so true. The guy is so nice.
Speaker 2: He says a load to everyone. He's like, you know,
Speaker 2: good morning, how are you like. I can tell you
Speaker 2: from my own personal experiences with him, he is the
Speaker 2: nicest kid in the world. And the fact that Daniel
Speaker 2: Mevedev's like, yeah, man, you know, like you're literally the
Speaker 2: nicest guy in the world. I was like, oh, everyone
Speaker 2: notices it. So I'm just I'm so excited because this
Speaker 2: kid could not be nicer and could not be better.
Speaker 1: It's for me. The point that he played against Theanix
Speaker 1: Centner where Sinner hit, he hit a good serve, Center,
Speaker 1: gets it back, gets in a position on the run
Speaker 1: where he hits just like a laser cross court. You think, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a flat out winner. Ou Chres gets it back,
Speaker 1: comes into the net, hits a leaping backhand overhead, and
Speaker 1: then moving backwards hits a feathery lob And I feel like,
Speaker 1: in that one point you saw literally every type of
Speaker 1: shot deployed, and I was just thinking, if you're Annick
Speaker 1: Cinner and you hit maybe three or four different winners
Speaker 1: in that point, drop shots, laser four hands, great returns,
Speaker 1: You're thinking, what do I have to do to beat
Speaker 1: to get this guy out of position? What do I
Speaker 1: have to do to win a point against him? What
Speaker 1: do I have to do to get the better of him?
Speaker 1: And I think, for me, what's so exciting? And I
Speaker 1: totally totally do not want to focus on one player
Speaker 1: saving us from a generation of players that priorly where
Speaker 1: I not is saving us. But because what you said
Speaker 1: that got me so excited is he's going to make
Speaker 1: everyone better. And I think for me, Medevedev goes back
Speaker 1: and says, Okay, I had an incredible tournament. I played
Speaker 1: a variety of people. I hated the surface and yet
Speaker 1: got to the finals and won some great matches. Now
Speaker 1: how do I solve this guy? Or Cinner is like, okay,
Speaker 1: now we've had a couple of incredible battles in a row.
Speaker 1: Now how do I get my game to the next level?
Speaker 1: And I feel like for me, it's the cohort. We
Speaker 1: shouldn't leave out Big Fox. I didn't give him much
Speaker 1: of a chance against Menvedev, but he put out an
Speaker 1: incredible fight. That kid has so much heart. I just
Speaker 1: want to call out to Francis Tiafo being as our
Speaker 1: Twitter leader for the tournament, aj Echoes called out a
Speaker 1: raspberry cream puff dressed. Big Fo just was so exciting
Speaker 1: and I'm so thrilled to see him again in the
Speaker 1: back half making very deep runs at a tournament, and
Speaker 1: he put up a very good fight against Medvedev. To me,
Speaker 1: the fact that the cohort of men not only Alcaaz,
Speaker 1: who is so undeniably exciting and incredible and gets the
Speaker 1: heart racing in that way, but also just like this,
Speaker 1: this clutch of guys at the top now that's coming up,
Speaker 1: that's in Medvedev's case backing it up, is just super
Speaker 1: super super exciting. Shout out to Big Fo for being
Speaker 1: part of that group. And you know, for me, I
Speaker 1: just look at it and think, oh, I'm so ready.
Speaker 1: It's we sort of skipped next gen and now we're
Speaker 1: at next next gen. And that's just fine with me,
Speaker 1: because if these guys want to play this kind of
Speaker 1: tennis for years to come, I will gladly tune into it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. Like when I think about Janick Sinna,
Speaker 2: for example, I thought he I mean, after watching Sinna Alcaraz,
Speaker 2: it was Sinna is It almost felt like he was
Speaker 2: a level above Medvedev the way he played Alcaraz where
Speaker 2: he really toad a toad with him, particularly in that
Speaker 2: first set. Alcaraz is Sinner's speed around the court is
Speaker 2: just it's undeniable, how well he moves for someone as
Speaker 2: tall as he is, and he looks he doesn't look
Speaker 2: like explosive, but he's so quick around the court. But
Speaker 2: his power on the forehand and his backhand like he's
Speaker 2: big serving. He's the one that's for me going to
Speaker 2: push Alcarez. And I think he's pushed Alcarez already to
Speaker 2: be better. But I think Alcaraz will force Sinner to
Speaker 2: be better because he has to to beat him, even
Speaker 2: though he's beaten him a couple of times. But I
Speaker 2: just think about, as you said, Medvedev and even someone
Speaker 2: like Francis Tiafo, Francis has to go away and just
Speaker 2: put in the tape of Alcaraz beating Medvedev the way
Speaker 2: he did and say what am I not doing? That
Speaker 2: he's doing right, And there's no question that Francis also
Speaker 2: has what Alcaraz has. He likes to come into the net,
Speaker 2: he likes to finish points off there he can hit
Speaker 2: the drop shot. He obviously has the power on both
Speaker 2: beforehand in the back and much like Alchiz, But what
Speaker 2: is Alcaraz doing that Francis is not.
Speaker 1: Doing against Medvedev?
Speaker 2: So that was that match that they played, yes, So
Speaker 2: that's a perfect opportunity for every guy to take that
Speaker 2: tape and go, Okay, what is he doing against Medvedev
Speaker 2: to make him look this bad? And honestly, it was
Speaker 2: the variety of the pace of ball and the drop
Speaker 2: shot and being able to hit that. You've got to
Speaker 2: be able to hit that against Medvedev because he's twenty
Speaker 2: feet behind the baseline, and the explosive serve and volley
Speaker 2: from time to time, all the things that he did.
Speaker 2: What did he do to beat Medvedev that easily? And
Speaker 2: devives every coach and every player. I'd be like, all right,
Speaker 2: let's study this and get this down pat because players
Speaker 2: like Francis can play very similar. But what is the
Speaker 2: next level for them to reach? And they saw it,
Speaker 2: they saw it yesterday. Alcaraz just made him look like
Speaker 2: you know, chump change really was it was impressive. I'm
Speaker 2: going to also say, Taylor Fritz, you know that match
Speaker 2: was incredible and he and Sinner it's just as you
Speaker 2: said that young guns like nineteen twenty, twenty one, twenty two,
Speaker 2: they're just they're going to make this sport even better.
Speaker 2: I literally talk to Jim Coreer and Darren Cahill throughout
Speaker 2: the last couple of days watching these matches, because of
Speaker 2: course Jim was commentating and Darren was with Yanick Sinner,
Speaker 2: and I just would text imagines just be like, this
Speaker 2: is just outrageous how well these guys are playing. And
Speaker 2: I said to Jim, how does it get better than this?
Speaker 2: And he goes, I don't know. You know, this is
Speaker 2: a former world number one, very dominant player when he
Speaker 2: was playing himself, going I don't know how it gets
Speaker 2: better than this. I mean, honestly, there's the only way
Speaker 2: that Alcarez can get better is if you had John
Speaker 2: isn't a serf.
Speaker 1: I mean everything else is so good, so like four fit, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so, I don't know how it gets
Speaker 2: much better than this. But I want to see Yanick
Speaker 2: Sinner and Alcarez play for at least a decade and
Speaker 2: a half. And I hope that Sinner wins one of
Speaker 2: those matches eventually, and when he does, it'll break through
Speaker 2: men for him. But oh, I love that kid so much.
Speaker 2: I mean, his demeanor on the court is exceptional. Ouphorizes
Speaker 2: a little bit fiery and still kind of complains once
Speaker 2: or twice about a few things, which is fine. I
Speaker 2: love that because that shows his natural inclination. But Sin
Speaker 2: is just like an ice cube out there. He's amazing
Speaker 2: fire and ice on the men's side, you know, firon ice.
Speaker 1: Nobody's nobody's upset about fire and ice. I just want
Speaker 1: to give a shout out because I give Tennis Channel
Speaker 1: so much shit, most of it deserving, and I usually
Speaker 1: watch the World Feed just because the main broadcast can
Speaker 1: be a little tough. But truly, truly, Lindsay Davenport and
Speaker 1: Jim Career kind of anchoring a lot of the Indian
Speaker 1: Well's coverage. They are a cut above and it was
Speaker 1: a pleasure to hear them call the big matches because
Speaker 1: they're understanding of the you know, tactics and analysis and
Speaker 1: also their just ability to communicate. It was was appreciated.
Speaker 1: And you know, credit where credits do because they don't.
Speaker 1: We don't always get them on the Tennis Channel, but
Speaker 1: when we do, it's you can hear the step up
Speaker 1: can Yeah for quality of commentating.
Speaker 2: I agree one hundred percent. You know how I feel.
Speaker 2: I often have to mute the TV.
Speaker 1: Do you find yourself commentating along and being like, ah,
Speaker 1: I should be doing this. I going to be doing
Speaker 1: it so much better.
Speaker 2: No. Sometimes I just feel myself going, God, why can't
Speaker 2: you see X? You know, well, why can't you see
Speaker 2: why right? Or why can't you explain that better? And
Speaker 2: I make the people at home understand what is happening
Speaker 2: emotionally tactfully. I don't want to hear that was a
Speaker 2: great fullhand down the line, or why she's really putting
Speaker 2: some pressure on there, No, like, explain what's happening, like
Speaker 2: give me a three D version of it. And that's
Speaker 2: what lindsay as you said, and Jim do. Is why
Speaker 2: they're like literally two of the only analysts that I
Speaker 2: do not mute the television for because I can actually
Speaker 2: I listened to them and I go, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good point, and I think, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is what I'm seeing that. Thank you for explaining it.
Speaker 1: Our friend andre A Pekovich on the Tennis Channel did
Speaker 1: a fantastic job and said some things, not only humorous things,
Speaker 1: funny things, interesting things is because we know she's hilarious
Speaker 1: and smart, but also just like some interesting things about like, oh,
Speaker 1: you really have to take away the depth against this person.
Speaker 1: So watch her play these short angles. And sure enough
Speaker 1: there was short angles and I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: just explained a dimensionality. And also she did this thing
Speaker 1: that I just wish more commentators would do, which is
Speaker 1: not talk during the point. Don't talking the poll. I
Speaker 1: want to hear the sound of the point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was early on I actually mentioned the only
Speaker 2: thing I gave her some advice on was whatever you do,
Speaker 2: don't talk over the points. You know, even if you
Speaker 2: have a thought and you halfway through your thought, just
Speaker 2: stop when the point starts and then finish it up
Speaker 2: after that, because everyone hates when you talk over a plot.
Speaker 1: We're still going to be sitting here. We can wait
Speaker 1: until the point's over, but I want to watch the
Speaker 1: point like for me that that okay. So one more
Speaker 1: thing that I want to bring up, just because I
Speaker 1: it was sort of spicy and controversial. Do we gave
Speaker 1: a shout out to the who took home the trophy
Speaker 1: on the women's double side. Shout out to Matti Ebden
Speaker 1: and Rohan Bopana, who becomes the oldest uh and certainly
Speaker 1: Rohan the oldest one thousand champions. I know Matt has
Speaker 1: played with your fellow Ausians, played with Sam Stoser, great guys,
Speaker 1: nice guys. There were. One thing that makes Indian World
Speaker 1: so amazing is how many players played doubles. I love doubles.
Speaker 1: Doubles is what most players who play at my level,
Speaker 1: which is now recreational. I love to see the singles
Speaker 1: players playing doubles. I just want to bring this up
Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons, which is, you know, there
Speaker 1: was some spicy takes from our friend Briiley Opelka, who
Speaker 1: takes who likes to take spicy, which I don't mind
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, between the walkovers and some of
Speaker 1: the crowds, like he doesn't not really understand why doubles
Speaker 1: gets the salary, the attention, the space and the sport.
Speaker 1: And I just want to bring that up with you
Speaker 1: being a six time Grand Slam doubles champion, between doubles
Speaker 1: and mixed, like, I get why you want to make
Speaker 1: sure everybody feels like they're pulling their weight, But to me,
Speaker 1: doubles is an incredible product and I would love to
Speaker 1: see it get the shine and the attention and the
Speaker 1: you know, frankly participation of some of the bigger names
Speaker 1: in the sport on the on a regular basis. And
Speaker 1: I one of the reasons I hate all this Big
Speaker 1: three stuff is because it puts so much emphasis on
Speaker 1: chasing Slam titles, which were important but just one aspect
Speaker 1: of the game's importance. And I think they did it
Speaker 1: because and I think they did it at the expensive
Speaker 1: doubles when you used to have John mcner playing doubles,
Speaker 1: not just playing singles, when you used to have you know,
Speaker 1: uh more of a I think varied field in terms
Speaker 1: of what you played.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Obviously the best example is Martine and Bretlova, who would
Speaker 1: enter all three draws. And I think for me, I
Speaker 1: want to see a healthy sport where people feel like
Speaker 1: they can participate in all ass facts are that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, look, I've had conversations with the Riley
Speaker 2: and through the you know, the thing with like Riley
Speaker 2: is he, look, this is an economics thing for him, right,
Speaker 2: whereas he feels like in certain tournaments, you know, doubles
Speaker 2: players are you have you know, the tournament has to
Speaker 2: pay for them. To be there. It's you know, they
Speaker 2: have to give them a pay for their hotels, perdems,
Speaker 2: et cetera, like paying for their food and blah blah blah. Right,
Speaker 2: and he feels like it's taking the economics away from
Speaker 2: the singles players that are there in particularly in smaller tournaments. Look,
Speaker 2: he has a point in some respects. Is like, look,
Speaker 2: you can say that doubles players don't sell tickets, well,
Speaker 2: neither do a lot of singles players. You know, unfortunately
Speaker 2: his start are the ones that sell it. But those
Speaker 2: players that don't get a lot of publicity have to
Speaker 2: play against the highest singles ranking, so without them, you
Speaker 2: can't have a tournament. All of that is true to
Speaker 2: a certain expects. I would like to see if they're
Speaker 2: going to do anything. I think that they should make
Speaker 2: the doubles draws smaller.
Speaker 1: If they're I think.
Speaker 2: Economics wires that makes sense. I think you're we do
Speaker 2: in the Wimmen's Tour, where you're allowed to enter the
Speaker 2: tournament on your singles ranking to play doubles. I don't
Speaker 2: know if they do that on the men's but if
Speaker 2: they don't, they should. Wembledon has now this year announced
Speaker 2: that it will not be best of five sets from
Speaker 2: the first round on in the men's doubles, which I
Speaker 2: think is a great idea. Finally, because there was nothing
Speaker 2: worse than having to play after a men's doubles match,
Speaker 2: because they would go for fucking five hours at Wimbledon
Speaker 2: sometimes you know, and you know, you're like sitting there, going,
Speaker 2: are we seriously sitting here watching at twelve eleven in
Speaker 2: the fifth doubles match, which guess what happens all the time,
Speaker 2: particularly with the irving. So I like that they're doing
Speaker 2: best of five. I think the only mistake I would
Speaker 2: like to make the men's best the final best of five,
Speaker 2: and it's probably weird that you play a tournament maybe
Speaker 2: semi san finals, they should make best of five just
Speaker 2: because well, then at that point it doesn't matter because
Speaker 2: no one's waiting for them to play. But if they're
Speaker 2: doing best of three across the board, I think it's
Speaker 2: a good idea, and you might you might get actually
Speaker 2: singles plays playing doubles now because of that, and that's
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why they don't play, because who
Speaker 2: wants to go out and play a five hour doubles
Speaker 2: match and then play singles?
Speaker 1: The next day, no way.
Speaker 2: So I think that's a positive, but I would like
Speaker 2: to see maybe the jaw is smaller. I've always said this,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to get a lot of shit for.
Speaker 1: Samos, but.
Speaker 2: I think if you're ranked fifty in the world playing
Speaker 2: doubles only, you're not very good. Sorry, I mean, I
Speaker 2: just think if you're playing doubles only every week, you
Speaker 2: are concentrating on doubles, doubles, doubles, and you're fifty in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 1: You know, do it? You feel you probably you should?
Speaker 2: You probably should find another job, right honestly, because you're
Speaker 2: not going to be making money. You definitely, you know,
Speaker 2: you're just out there sort of taking a check and
Speaker 2: doing something for a living. And if you're fifty in
Speaker 2: the world at twenty and then you're fifty in the
Speaker 2: world at thirty and you're still fifty in the world
Speaker 2: at thirty five, I don't know if it's the correct thing.
Speaker 2: I think if you're playing double zone should be at
Speaker 2: least top twenty at least, I mean, because it's.
Speaker 1: What you specialize in.
Speaker 2: So we have those arguments, and if that's the case,
Speaker 2: make the draw smaller, get singles players playing, because we
Speaker 2: see how popular it is out in any weels because
Speaker 2: a lot of the top players play, but get it
Speaker 2: on television, and that's they promised us they would do
Speaker 2: that when they made it best of three sets, a
Speaker 2: two sets with a ten point tie break, we're going
Speaker 2: to put you more on center cord. You guys were going,
Speaker 2: we know you're going to finish up like maximum two hours,
Speaker 2: so we'll be able to put you on television. Bullshit,
Speaker 2: None of that thing happened. None of it happened. So
Speaker 2: if you're going to change the scoring to do that,
Speaker 2: do that, don't pay or put us on an outside
Speaker 2: court and playing best of three because doubles players, I mean,
Speaker 2: the no ad and ten point tie break, it's like
Speaker 2: it's the worst. So anyway, that's what I think. I'd
Speaker 2: make the draws a little bit smaller. Rather than a
Speaker 2: thirty two doubles draw, make it a sixteen doubles draw
Speaker 2: or even in some cases an eight doubles draw, and
Speaker 2: you know you might get some really top players playing
Speaker 2: a little bit more doubles, which we would love to
Speaker 2: see because, as you said, most fans love watching doubles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we love watching doubles. A lot of us play
Speaker 1: doubles and we want to see it at the highest levels.
Speaker 1: And also, like you know, again, tennis has this unique
Speaker 1: thing that no other sport has, no other sport hard
Speaker 1: to imagine will ever have, which is mixed doubles, which
Speaker 1: is a man and a woman competing on the same court,
Speaker 1: on the same field of play, at the same level.
Speaker 1: Show me a more emotionally like out of their mind's
Speaker 1: crowd than when Andy Murray and Serena Williams walked on
Speaker 1: to center court at Wimbledon together to play mixed doubles.
Speaker 1: I was basically weeping just because I got to see
Speaker 1: something so cool, right, And I think that is such
Speaker 1: a unique aspect of our sport that we could be
Speaker 1: celebrating and leaning into way way more. And you know,
Speaker 1: for me, I would love to. I would love to
Speaker 1: figure out how to just make the product better, which
Speaker 1: is what I think you're sort of getting at, which
Speaker 1: is making you know, a little bit of wheat from
Speaker 1: the chaff, because I think the product itself, tennis, the
Speaker 1: game itself, is so awesome. So yeah, before we part
Speaker 1: from our B and P Indian Wells tournament recap, I
Speaker 1: just want to shout out to BNP Pariba, they hosted us,
Speaker 1: they let us reimagine one of their spaces. We got
Speaker 1: to talk to a few amazing, amazing personalities, players thinkers.
Speaker 1: Will be continuing to roll out those podcasts in the
Speaker 1: next couple of days and weeks. So just incredible. Thanks
Speaker 1: to the team for having us. Johnny and Fillion, Rob
Speaker 1: Madden Andie Span just incredible team to work with and
Speaker 1: we're looking forward to the next couple because that could
Speaker 1: not have been better for in my mind, between the
Speaker 1: tennis and the experience, and frankly the weather which here
Speaker 1: in New York continues to be in the MIDI absolutely sucky.
Speaker 2: I want to give out to the MVP of the
Speaker 2: two weeks of the tournament, starting with a little charity
Speaker 2: event before the tournament was Pink Okay. It was like
Speaker 2: rotten Sana there for every match in the finals, like
Speaker 2: love and life. Every time that showed her on the screen,
Speaker 2: she was like getting into it and obviously play her music.
Speaker 2: But you know, I've heard from everyone out there that
Speaker 2: was at the event. Chris mckendrey was out there, and
Speaker 2: a couple of other friends of mine who met her,
Speaker 2: They just said she was the friggin coolest and so
Speaker 2: nice and down to earth. So we love when, you know,
Speaker 2: we get superstars like that, like just loving the sport
Speaker 2: and getting involved. And she was absolutely on fire this weekend,
Speaker 2: So Pink, we love that you're a fan of the sport.
Speaker 2: Thumbs up.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Renee, I'm going to get this out
Speaker 1: before too long, so before it gets stale. I will
Speaker 1: see you on your show later today, The Power Hour
Speaker 1: with Renee Stubbs on Amazon Prime Video every day from
Speaker 1: five to six Eastern. We're going to be paying attention
Speaker 1: to what happens in Miami. But then for me, the next, big, big, big,
Speaker 1: big exciting thing is We're doing a huge thing in Charleston.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about it. It's a tournament. You've been
Speaker 1: to a ton You love the guys down there, they
Speaker 1: love you. Our friend Andrea Petkovich is going to be
Speaker 1: hosting a daily show down there called Happy Hour that
Speaker 1: we are producing. We're gonna do some doc We made
Speaker 1: a guide check it out on the internet. Charleston is
Speaker 1: where it's all going down for me, the food, the hospitality,
Speaker 1: beside the city. They put the tournament in the middle
Speaker 1: of the city, which is something you can't say of Miami,
Speaker 1: so you can actually go and experience the city while
Speaker 1: experiencing the tennis at the same time instead of two
Speaker 1: separate tracks. So for me, I'm just so so so
Speaker 1: excited to be down there for a couple of days
Speaker 1: with our friend Andrea Pakovich. Maybe we can lure you
Speaker 1: down for a weekend. It's not too hard.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll see. You know how much I love Charleston.
Speaker 2: It's like literally one of my favorite places in the
Speaker 2: US to go to. I love you know, Bob Moran
Speaker 2: down there, who's the tournament director of course eleanor who
Speaker 2: takes care of all the players every single time. They're
Speaker 2: just the best tournament. It's the best tournament on the
Speaker 2: women's tour. It is by far the best tournament to
Speaker 2: go and visit. The city is amazing, The tennis will
Speaker 2: be great. The hospitality of course second none in Charleston.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be amazing. Is playing Kazakin, is playing, Elena's
Speaker 1: Fitdelina is making her comeback at this tournament like it's
Speaker 1: gonna be lit down there, And I could not say
Speaker 1: enough amazing things about both the field but also how
Speaker 1: much these the owner, Ben Navarro and the tournament stuff
Speaker 1: that you said. They care deeply and it shows because
Speaker 1: they are putting on a world class event.
Speaker 2: They are They are the best, and I'm sending my
Speaker 2: love to them because I know Eleanor also listens to
Speaker 2: our podcast. So I love you and have a great
Speaker 2: time down there. But in the meantime, it's Miami. We'll
Speaker 2: get set for Miami at some point and give you
Speaker 2: a little thoughts on that, but we know that tell
Speaker 2: friend Craig Shapiro is already down in Miami. There's no
Speaker 2: harder worker than Greig. He's bringing the heat, well, as
Speaker 2: he would say, bringing the heat, He's bring the heat.
Speaker 2: But everybody, thanks for everything over the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Obviously your New Wolves was amazing. Shout out to everyone
Speaker 2: that appeared on the pod. While they're out there, Tommy Haass,
Speaker 2: we're going to get him out on the on the
Speaker 2: pod as well. He did a great interview with us,
Speaker 2: so you're going to put that one out to you,
Speaker 2: Caitlin the.
Speaker 1: Next couple of days, just gonna just gonna get my
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