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Speaker 1: That's what I need to get to get going on

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Speaker 1: And we were last week in Tennis Paradise in the desert,

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Speaker 1: It's Indian Wells Recap podcast. Welcome to the show, the

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Speaker 1: Renee Stubs Podcast. It's going to contain some complaining about weather,

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Speaker 1: but mostly it's going to contain some joyous reviews of

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Speaker 1: what we just watched for two weeks in the desert,

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Speaker 1: which was, to my mind, incredible, unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: It was a very memorable tournament for so many what reasons, like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, It's just I know that your obsession

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Speaker 2: Top four and I'm so over these guys and you know,

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Speaker 2: the Rogers RAFs and I mean, I listen, I get

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Speaker 1: I let me take a moment to explain myself, because

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Speaker 1: you're referring to a tweet that I sent last night

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Speaker 1: in response to our friend, fellow tennis commentator and fellow

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Speaker 1: tennis journalist L. John Wortheim, who was looking ahead from

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Speaker 1: We've just had this two week tournament where the at

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Speaker 1: Through because she's such a nice kid, say next, great

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Now I think this court suited Alchorize better. That's what

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00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 2: you know, we'd clear alone. We're all very aware of

428
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 2: how Medvedev felt about the court, which.

429
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 1: I hate you, but maybe I secretly love you.

430
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. I loved his speech where he's like, okay, so

431
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 2: now I want to thank the court. I was like, oh,

432
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 2: I got here, we go. I just think he's hilarious.

433
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 2: I mean, I know him on it not I wouldn't

434
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 2: say I know him on a deep personal level, but

435
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 2: I certainly have had my interactions with him enough to

436
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 2: know that I just I love the guy. He's like,

437
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 2: he's so honest, he's so funny. There are times where

438
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 2: I wish he'd stop bitching about the court, but it's

439
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 2: kind of like it's gotten to a point where it

440
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 2: was funny, and then he always brings it up in

441
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 2: press or in these postmatch interviews or in the trophy presentation.

442
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 1: He's just he's a classic.

443
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 2: He's just being honest about how he feels. He said,

444
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,159
Speaker 2: you know, it hurt my ankle, hurt my finger, but

445
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 2: it's okay. I want to be back here again next year.

446
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 2: But he back to Alparez. He literally made Medvedev look

447
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 2: terrible yesterday. He was over powering Danil Mavedev like there

448
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 2: were there were some rallies and this is the thing

449
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 2: that I really noticed about ol Charaz yesterday. Even throughout

450
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 2: all the tournament, he'll give you one bad game right

451
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 2: where you're just like, oh god. That was the nineteen

452
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 2: year old coming out in force, right, not making like

453
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: just missing balls where you're just like, oh dude, like

454
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 2: he'd lose. He served like to love after breaking, and

455
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 2: you just know that's the nineteen year old part of

456
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 2: him still right, the immaturity. But yesterday he would be

457
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 2: happy to rally and not really go for it, you know,

458
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 2: and hit one backhand, two backhands, and then he would

459
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 2: crush one backhand and it would literally push Medvedev backwards

460
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: where he couldn't control the ball. And I was like,

461
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 2: oh my god, like he's literally overpowering Daniel Medvedev, which

462
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 2: never happens. That just shows you how great he is

463
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 2: at changing the pace of the ball, I mean, and

464
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 2: how hard he hits the ball, and how athletic he

465
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 2: is to make you allow you to thinking he's going

466
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: to hit a certain shot in then bob or he goes,

467
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: you know, to hit a big forehand drop shot, and

468
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: he's like what the fuck. Like his variety is off

469
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 2: the charts. He is like a combination of the Big three. Literally,

470
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 2: he has characteristics of all three, Yes, the characteristics of

471
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: all three. He comes forward and plays and wants to

472
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: come into the net and finish points off like Roger.

473
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 2: He has the spin on the forehand and you know,

474
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 2: the flatness of the backhand, and the variety of you

475
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 2: know of, and the flexibility and the speed around the

476
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: court like Novak, And he has the tenacity and that

477
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: sort of drive and desire and friendly looks like happiness

478
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 2: like Nadule.

479
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: It's just he's unbelievable.

480
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you heard the speech when Medvedev said, I

481
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: want to thank you, congratulate you. You're like the nicest guy.

482
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: You say a load to every one hundred and thirty

483
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 2: people a day. It's so true. The guy is so nice.

484
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 2: He says a load to everyone. He's like, you know,

485
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: good morning, how are you like. I can tell you

486
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: from my own personal experiences with him, he is the

487
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: nicest kid in the world. And the fact that Daniel

488
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: Mevedev's like, yeah, man, you know, like you're literally the

489
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: nicest guy in the world. I was like, oh, everyone

490
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 2: notices it. So I'm just I'm so excited because this

491
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 2: kid could not be nicer and could not be better.

492
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 1: It's for me. The point that he played against Theanix

493
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: Centner where Sinner hit, he hit a good serve, Center,

494
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: gets it back, gets in a position on the run

495
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: where he hits just like a laser cross court. You think, oh,

496
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: that's a flat out winner. Ou Chres gets it back,

497
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: comes into the net, hits a leaping backhand overhead, and

498
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: then moving backwards hits a feathery lob And I feel like,

499
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: in that one point you saw literally every type of

500
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,719
Speaker 1: shot deployed, and I was just thinking, if you're Annick

501
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: Cinner and you hit maybe three or four different winners

502
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: in that point, drop shots, laser four hands, great returns,

503
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 1: You're thinking, what do I have to do to beat

504
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: to get this guy out of position? What do I

505
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: have to do to win a point against him? What

506
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: do I have to do to get the better of him?

507
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: And I think, for me, what's so exciting? And I

508
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: totally totally do not want to focus on one player

509
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: saving us from a generation of players that priorly where

510
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: I not is saving us. But because what you said

511
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: that got me so excited is he's going to make

512
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: everyone better. And I think for me, Medevedev goes back

513
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: and says, Okay, I had an incredible tournament. I played

514
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: a variety of people. I hated the surface and yet

515
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: got to the finals and won some great matches. Now

516
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: how do I solve this guy? Or Cinner is like, okay,

517
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: now we've had a couple of incredible battles in a row.

518
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: Now how do I get my game to the next level?

519
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: And I feel like for me, it's the cohort. We

520
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 1: shouldn't leave out Big Fox. I didn't give him much

521
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: of a chance against Menvedev, but he put out an

522
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: incredible fight. That kid has so much heart. I just

523
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: want to call out to Francis Tiafo being as our

524
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: Twitter leader for the tournament, aj Echoes called out a

525
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: raspberry cream puff dressed. Big Fo just was so exciting

526
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: and I'm so thrilled to see him again in the

527
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: back half making very deep runs at a tournament, and

528
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: he put up a very good fight against Medvedev. To me,

529
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: the fact that the cohort of men not only Alcaaz,

530
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: who is so undeniably exciting and incredible and gets the

531
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: heart racing in that way, but also just like this,

532
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: this clutch of guys at the top now that's coming up,

533
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: that's in Medvedev's case backing it up, is just super

534
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: super super exciting. Shout out to Big Fo for being

535
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: part of that group. And you know, for me, I

536
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: just look at it and think, oh, I'm so ready.

537
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: It's we sort of skipped next gen and now we're

538
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: at next next gen. And that's just fine with me,

539
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: because if these guys want to play this kind of

540
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: tennis for years to come, I will gladly tune into it.

541
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. Like when I think about Janick Sinna,

542
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 2: for example, I thought he I mean, after watching Sinna Alcaraz,

543
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: it was Sinna is It almost felt like he was

544
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: a level above Medvedev the way he played Alcaraz where

545
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: he really toad a toad with him, particularly in that

546
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: first set. Alcaraz is Sinner's speed around the court is

547
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: just it's undeniable, how well he moves for someone as

548
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: tall as he is, and he looks he doesn't look

549
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: like explosive, but he's so quick around the court. But

550
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: his power on the forehand and his backhand like he's

551
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: big serving. He's the one that's for me going to

552
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: push Alcarez. And I think he's pushed Alcarez already to

553
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: be better. But I think Alcaraz will force Sinner to

554
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 2: be better because he has to to beat him, even

555
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: though he's beaten him a couple of times. But I

556
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: just think about, as you said, Medvedev and even someone

557
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: like Francis Tiafo, Francis has to go away and just

558
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: put in the tape of Alcaraz beating Medvedev the way

559
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 2: he did and say what am I not doing? That

560
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: he's doing right, And there's no question that Francis also

561
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: has what Alcaraz has. He likes to come into the net,

562
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: he likes to finish points off there he can hit

563
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 2: the drop shot. He obviously has the power on both

564
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 2: beforehand in the back and much like Alchiz, But what

565
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: is Alcaraz doing that Francis is not.

566
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: Doing against Medvedev?

567
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 2: So that was that match that they played, yes, So

568
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: that's a perfect opportunity for every guy to take that

569
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: tape and go, Okay, what is he doing against Medvedev

570
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: to make him look this bad? And honestly, it was

571
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: the variety of the pace of ball and the drop

572
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: shot and being able to hit that. You've got to

573
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 2: be able to hit that against Medvedev because he's twenty

574
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 2: feet behind the baseline, and the explosive serve and volley

575
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: from time to time, all the things that he did.

576
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: What did he do to beat Medvedev that easily? And

577
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: devives every coach and every player. I'd be like, all right,

578
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: let's study this and get this down pat because players

579
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: like Francis can play very similar. But what is the

580
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: next level for them to reach? And they saw it,

581
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: they saw it yesterday. Alcaraz just made him look like

582
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: you know, chump change really was it was impressive. I'm

583
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: going to also say, Taylor Fritz, you know that match

584
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: was incredible and he and Sinner it's just as you

585
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: said that young guns like nineteen twenty, twenty one, twenty two,

586
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: they're just they're going to make this sport even better.

587
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: I literally talk to Jim Coreer and Darren Cahill throughout

588
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: the last couple of days watching these matches, because of

589
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: course Jim was commentating and Darren was with Yanick Sinner,

590
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: and I just would text imagines just be like, this

591
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: is just outrageous how well these guys are playing. And

592
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: I said to Jim, how does it get better than this?

593
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: And he goes, I don't know. You know, this is

594
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: a former world number one, very dominant player when he

595
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: was playing himself, going I don't know how it gets

596
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: better than this. I mean, honestly, there's the only way

597
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: that Alcarez can get better is if you had John

598
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: isn't a serf.

599
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean everything else is so good, so like four fit, yeah.

600
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so, I don't know how it gets

601
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: much better than this. But I want to see Yanick

602
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: Sinner and Alcarez play for at least a decade and

603
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: a half. And I hope that Sinner wins one of

604
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: those matches eventually, and when he does, it'll break through

605
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: men for him. But oh, I love that kid so much.

606
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: I mean, his demeanor on the court is exceptional. Ouphorizes

607
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: a little bit fiery and still kind of complains once

608
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: or twice about a few things, which is fine. I

609
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: love that because that shows his natural inclination. But Sin

610
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: is just like an ice cube out there. He's amazing

611
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: fire and ice on the men's side, you know, firon ice.

612
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: Nobody's nobody's upset about fire and ice. I just want

613
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: to give a shout out because I give Tennis Channel

614
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: so much shit, most of it deserving, and I usually

615
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: watch the World Feed just because the main broadcast can

616
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: be a little tough. But truly, truly, Lindsay Davenport and

617
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: Jim Career kind of anchoring a lot of the Indian

618
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: Well's coverage. They are a cut above and it was

619
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: a pleasure to hear them call the big matches because

620
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: they're understanding of the you know, tactics and analysis and

621
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: also their just ability to communicate. It was was appreciated.

622
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: And you know, credit where credits do because they don't.

623
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: We don't always get them on the Tennis Channel, but

624
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: when we do, it's you can hear the step up

625
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: can Yeah for quality of commentating.

626
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: I agree one hundred percent. You know how I feel.

627
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: I often have to mute the TV.

628
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: Do you find yourself commentating along and being like, ah,

629
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: I should be doing this. I going to be doing

630
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: it so much better.

631
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: No. Sometimes I just feel myself going, God, why can't

632
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: you see X? You know, well, why can't you see

633
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: why right? Or why can't you explain that better? And

634
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: I make the people at home understand what is happening

635
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: emotionally tactfully. I don't want to hear that was a

636
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: great fullhand down the line, or why she's really putting

637
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 2: some pressure on there, No, like, explain what's happening, like

638
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: give me a three D version of it. And that's

639
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Speaker 2: what lindsay as you said, and Jim do. Is why

640
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Speaker 2: they're like literally two of the only analysts that I

641
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Speaker 2: do not mute the television for because I can actually

642
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: I listened to them and I go, yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a good point, and I think, oh, yeah,

644
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Speaker 1: that is what I'm seeing that. Thank you for explaining it.

645
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: Our friend andre A Pekovich on the Tennis Channel did

646
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: a fantastic job and said some things, not only humorous things,

647
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: funny things, interesting things is because we know she's hilarious

648
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: and smart, but also just like some interesting things about like, oh,

649
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: you really have to take away the depth against this person.

650
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: So watch her play these short angles. And sure enough

651
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: there was short angles and I was like, oh, this

652
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: just explained a dimensionality. And also she did this thing

653
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: that I just wish more commentators would do, which is

654
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: not talk during the point. Don't talking the poll. I

655
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Speaker 1: want to hear the sound of the point.

656
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was early on I actually mentioned the only

657
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Speaker 2: thing I gave her some advice on was whatever you do,

658
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Speaker 2: don't talk over the points. You know, even if you

659
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Speaker 2: have a thought and you halfway through your thought, just

660
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Speaker 2: stop when the point starts and then finish it up

661
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Speaker 2: after that, because everyone hates when you talk over a plot.

662
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Speaker 1: We're still going to be sitting here. We can wait

663
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Speaker 1: until the point's over, but I want to watch the

664
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Speaker 1: point like for me that that okay. So one more

665
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Speaker 1: thing that I want to bring up, just because I

666
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: it was sort of spicy and controversial. Do we gave

667
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Speaker 1: a shout out to the who took home the trophy

668
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Speaker 1: on the women's double side. Shout out to Matti Ebden

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Speaker 1: and Rohan Bopana, who becomes the oldest uh and certainly

670
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Speaker 1: Rohan the oldest one thousand champions. I know Matt has

671
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Speaker 1: played with your fellow Ausians, played with Sam Stoser, great guys,

672
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Speaker 1: nice guys. There were. One thing that makes Indian World

673
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Speaker 1: so amazing is how many players played doubles. I love doubles.

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Speaker 1: Doubles is what most players who play at my level,

675
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Speaker 1: which is now recreational. I love to see the singles

676
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Speaker 1: players playing doubles. I just want to bring this up

677
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Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons, which is, you know, there

678
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Speaker 1: was some spicy takes from our friend Briiley Opelka, who

679
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Speaker 1: takes who likes to take spicy, which I don't mind

680
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, between the walkovers and some of

681
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Speaker 1: the crowds, like he doesn't not really understand why doubles

682
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Speaker 1: gets the salary, the attention, the space and the sport.

683
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Speaker 1: And I just want to bring that up with you

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Speaker 1: being a six time Grand Slam doubles champion, between doubles

685
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Speaker 1: and mixed, like, I get why you want to make

686
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Speaker 1: sure everybody feels like they're pulling their weight, But to me,

687
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Speaker 1: doubles is an incredible product and I would love to

688
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Speaker 1: see it get the shine and the attention and the

689
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Speaker 1: you know, frankly participation of some of the bigger names

690
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Speaker 1: in the sport on the on a regular basis. And

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Speaker 1: I one of the reasons I hate all this Big

692
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Speaker 1: three stuff is because it puts so much emphasis on

693
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Speaker 1: chasing Slam titles, which were important but just one aspect

694
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Speaker 1: of the game's importance. And I think they did it

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Speaker 1: because and I think they did it at the expensive

696
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Speaker 1: doubles when you used to have John mcner playing doubles,

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Speaker 1: not just playing singles, when you used to have you know,

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Speaker 1: uh more of a I think varied field in terms

699
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Speaker 1: of what you played.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the best example is Martine and Bretlova, who would

702
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: enter all three draws. And I think for me, I

703
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Speaker 1: want to see a healthy sport where people feel like

704
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Speaker 1: they can participate in all ass facts are that.

705
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, look, I've had conversations with the Riley

706
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Speaker 2: and through the you know, the thing with like Riley

707
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Speaker 2: is he, look, this is an economics thing for him, right,

708
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: whereas he feels like in certain tournaments, you know, doubles

709
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Speaker 2: players are you have you know, the tournament has to

710
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Speaker 2: pay for them. To be there. It's you know, they

711
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: have to give them a pay for their hotels, perdems,

712
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: et cetera, like paying for their food and blah blah blah. Right,

713
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Speaker 2: and he feels like it's taking the economics away from

714
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Speaker 2: the singles players that are there in particularly in smaller tournaments. Look,

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Speaker 2: he has a point in some respects. Is like, look,

716
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Speaker 2: you can say that doubles players don't sell tickets, well,

717
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: neither do a lot of singles players. You know, unfortunately

718
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Speaker 2: his start are the ones that sell it. But those

719
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: players that don't get a lot of publicity have to

720
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Speaker 2: play against the highest singles ranking, so without them, you

721
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Speaker 2: can't have a tournament. All of that is true to

722
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Speaker 2: a certain expects. I would like to see if they're

723
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Speaker 2: going to do anything. I think that they should make

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Speaker 2: the doubles draws smaller.

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Speaker 1: If they're I think.

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Speaker 2: Economics wires that makes sense. I think you're we do

727
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Speaker 2: in the Wimmen's Tour, where you're allowed to enter the

728
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Speaker 2: tournament on your singles ranking to play doubles. I don't

729
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Speaker 2: know if they do that on the men's but if

730
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Speaker 2: they don't, they should. Wembledon has now this year announced

731
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Speaker 2: that it will not be best of five sets from

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Speaker 2: the first round on in the men's doubles, which I

733
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Speaker 2: think is a great idea. Finally, because there was nothing

734
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Speaker 2: worse than having to play after a men's doubles match,

735
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Speaker 2: because they would go for fucking five hours at Wimbledon

736
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Speaker 2: sometimes you know, and you know, you're like sitting there, going,

737
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: are we seriously sitting here watching at twelve eleven in

738
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Speaker 2: the fifth doubles match, which guess what happens all the time,

739
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Speaker 2: particularly with the irving. So I like that they're doing

740
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Speaker 2: best of five. I think the only mistake I would

741
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Speaker 2: like to make the men's best the final best of five,

742
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Speaker 2: and it's probably weird that you play a tournament maybe

743
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: semi san finals, they should make best of five just

744
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 2: because well, then at that point it doesn't matter because

745
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: no one's waiting for them to play. But if they're

746
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Speaker 2: doing best of three across the board, I think it's

747
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Speaker 2: a good idea, and you might you might get actually

748
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: singles plays playing doubles now because of that, and that's

749
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Speaker 2: one of the reasons why they don't play, because who

750
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Speaker 2: wants to go out and play a five hour doubles

751
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: match and then play singles?

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Speaker 1: The next day, no way.

753
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Speaker 2: So I think that's a positive, but I would like

754
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 2: to see maybe the jaw is smaller. I've always said this,

755
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: and I'm going to get a lot of shit for.

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Speaker 1: Samos, but.

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Speaker 2: I think if you're ranked fifty in the world playing

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Speaker 2: doubles only, you're not very good. Sorry, I mean, I

759
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: just think if you're playing doubles only every week, you

760
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: are concentrating on doubles, doubles, doubles, and you're fifty in

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Speaker 2: the world.

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Speaker 1: You know, do it? You feel you probably you should?

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Speaker 2: You probably should find another job, right honestly, because you're

764
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 2: not going to be making money. You definitely, you know,

765
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: you're just out there sort of taking a check and

766
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: doing something for a living. And if you're fifty in

767
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: the world at twenty and then you're fifty in the

768
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Speaker 2: world at thirty and you're still fifty in the world

769
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Speaker 2: at thirty five, I don't know if it's the correct thing.

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Speaker 2: I think if you're playing double zone should be at

771
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Speaker 2: least top twenty at least, I mean, because it's.

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Speaker 1: What you specialize in.

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Speaker 2: So we have those arguments, and if that's the case,

774
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Speaker 2: make the draw smaller, get singles players playing, because we

775
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 2: see how popular it is out in any weels because

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00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: a lot of the top players play, but get it

777
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 2: on television, and that's they promised us they would do

778
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 2: that when they made it best of three sets, a

779
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: two sets with a ten point tie break, we're going

780
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: to put you more on center cord. You guys were going,

781
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: we know you're going to finish up like maximum two hours,

782
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Speaker 2: so we'll be able to put you on television. Bullshit,

783
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: None of that thing happened. None of it happened. So

784
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Speaker 2: if you're going to change the scoring to do that,

785
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Speaker 2: do that, don't pay or put us on an outside

786
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Speaker 2: court and playing best of three because doubles players, I mean,

787
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Speaker 2: the no ad and ten point tie break, it's like

788
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: it's the worst. So anyway, that's what I think. I'd

789
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: make the draws a little bit smaller. Rather than a

790
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: thirty two doubles draw, make it a sixteen doubles draw

791
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: or even in some cases an eight doubles draw, and

792
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: you know you might get some really top players playing

793
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: a little bit more doubles, which we would love to

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Speaker 2: see because, as you said, most fans love watching doubles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we love watching doubles. A lot of us play

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Speaker 1: doubles and we want to see it at the highest levels.

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Speaker 1: And also, like you know, again, tennis has this unique

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Speaker 1: thing that no other sport has, no other sport hard

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Speaker 1: to imagine will ever have, which is mixed doubles, which

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00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: is a man and a woman competing on the same court,

801
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: on the same field of play, at the same level.

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00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: Show me a more emotionally like out of their mind's

803
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: crowd than when Andy Murray and Serena Williams walked on

804
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Speaker 1: to center court at Wimbledon together to play mixed doubles.

805
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: I was basically weeping just because I got to see

806
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: something so cool, right, And I think that is such

807
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: a unique aspect of our sport that we could be

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00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: celebrating and leaning into way way more. And you know,

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Speaker 1: for me, I would love to. I would love to

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Speaker 1: figure out how to just make the product better, which

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Speaker 1: is what I think you're sort of getting at, which

812
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: is making you know, a little bit of wheat from

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00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: the chaff, because I think the product itself, tennis, the

814
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: game itself, is so awesome. So yeah, before we part

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Speaker 1: from our B and P Indian Wells tournament recap, I

816
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Speaker 1: just want to shout out to BNP Pariba, they hosted us,

817
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: they let us reimagine one of their spaces. We got

818
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: to talk to a few amazing, amazing personalities, players thinkers.

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Speaker 1: Will be continuing to roll out those podcasts in the

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Speaker 1: next couple of days and weeks. So just incredible. Thanks

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Speaker 1: to the team for having us. Johnny and Fillion, Rob

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00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: Madden Andie Span just incredible team to work with and

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Speaker 1: we're looking forward to the next couple because that could

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Speaker 1: not have been better for in my mind, between the

825
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: tennis and the experience, and frankly the weather which here

826
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Speaker 1: in New York continues to be in the MIDI absolutely sucky.

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Speaker 2: I want to give out to the MVP of the

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Speaker 2: two weeks of the tournament, starting with a little charity

829
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Speaker 2: event before the tournament was Pink Okay. It was like

830
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Speaker 2: rotten Sana there for every match in the finals, like

831
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Speaker 2: love and life. Every time that showed her on the screen,

832
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Speaker 2: she was like getting into it and obviously play her music.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I've heard from everyone out there that

834
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Speaker 2: was at the event. Chris mckendrey was out there, and

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Speaker 2: a couple of other friends of mine who met her,

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Speaker 2: They just said she was the friggin coolest and so

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Speaker 2: nice and down to earth. So we love when, you know,

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00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 2: we get superstars like that, like just loving the sport

839
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Speaker 2: and getting involved. And she was absolutely on fire this weekend,

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00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: So Pink, we love that you're a fan of the sport.

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Speaker 2: Thumbs up.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, Renee, I'm going to get this out

843
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: before too long, so before it gets stale. I will

844
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Speaker 1: see you on your show later today, The Power Hour

845
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: with Renee Stubbs on Amazon Prime Video every day from

846
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 1: five to six Eastern. We're going to be paying attention

847
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 1: to what happens in Miami. But then for me, the next, big, big, big,

848
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Speaker 1: big exciting thing is We're doing a huge thing in Charleston.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited about it. It's a tournament. You've been

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Speaker 1: to a ton You love the guys down there, they

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Speaker 1: love you. Our friend Andrea Petkovich is going to be

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Speaker 1: hosting a daily show down there called Happy Hour that

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Speaker 1: we are producing. We're gonna do some doc We made

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Speaker 1: a guide check it out on the internet. Charleston is

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00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: where it's all going down for me, the food, the hospitality,

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00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: beside the city. They put the tournament in the middle

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00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: of the city, which is something you can't say of Miami,

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00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: so you can actually go and experience the city while

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00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: experiencing the tennis at the same time instead of two

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00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: separate tracks. So for me, I'm just so so so

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Speaker 1: excited to be down there for a couple of days

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Speaker 1: with our friend Andrea Pakovich. Maybe we can lure you

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Speaker 1: down for a weekend. It's not too hard.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll see. You know how much I love Charleston.

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Speaker 2: It's like literally one of my favorite places in the

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Speaker 2: US to go to. I love you know, Bob Moran

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00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: down there, who's the tournament director of course eleanor who

868
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: takes care of all the players every single time. They're

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Speaker 2: just the best tournament. It's the best tournament on the

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Speaker 2: women's tour. It is by far the best tournament to

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00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 2: go and visit. The city is amazing, The tennis will

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00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: be great. The hospitality of course second none in Charleston.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be amazing. Is playing Kazakin, is playing, Elena's

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Speaker 1: Fitdelina is making her comeback at this tournament like it's

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00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: gonna be lit down there, And I could not say

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00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: enough amazing things about both the field but also how

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00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: much these the owner, Ben Navarro and the tournament stuff

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00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: that you said. They care deeply and it shows because

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00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: they are putting on a world class event.

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Speaker 2: They are They are the best, and I'm sending my

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00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: love to them because I know Eleanor also listens to

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00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,959
Speaker 2: our podcast. So I love you and have a great

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00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: time down there. But in the meantime, it's Miami. We'll

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00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: get set for Miami at some point and give you

885
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: a little thoughts on that, but we know that tell

886
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: friend Craig Shapiro is already down in Miami. There's no

887
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: harder worker than Greig. He's bringing the heat, well, as

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00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: he would say, bringing the heat, He's bring the heat.

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Speaker 2: But everybody, thanks for everything over the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Obviously your New Wolves was amazing. Shout out to everyone

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Speaker 2: that appeared on the pod. While they're out there, Tommy Haass,

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Speaker 2: we're going to get him out on the on the

893
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Speaker 2: pod as well. He did a great interview with us,

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Speaker 2: so you're going to put that one out to you,

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Speaker 2: Caitlin the.

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Speaker 1: Next couple of days, just gonna just gonna get my

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Speaker 1: ducks in a row to see you later today. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening, and we'll be back soon with more

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Speaker 1: incredible reading service.

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Speaker 2: Tames podcast, Bye bye