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Speaker 1: Podcast announcement starts. Now, Wow, hello glamor knock, knock your home,

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Speaker 1: say that, say that, say that, speak to it. Um, wow,

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Speaker 1: so we're back sort of kind of, well, it's the

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Speaker 1: this is the This episode is kind of the pre

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Speaker 1: it's teasing. Yeah, it's like is actually I never understood.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's made up of the same

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Speaker 1: substance as the rest of the season because it's audio format.

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Speaker 1: But then I remember in health class learning that actually

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Speaker 1: pre come is not semen. Oh my god, but there

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Speaker 1: is some semen in it, right, just like are some

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Speaker 1: some of the essence of the pod is in this

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Speaker 1: announcement episode but not But it's not a full episode.

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Speaker 1: You know. I was kind of blowing our load, so

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Speaker 1: to speak. So to speak, we're not blowing the load,

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Speaker 1: we're edging. And you know, I randomly I wasn't thinking

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Speaker 1: of it in those terms. I was thinking of this

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Speaker 1: episode to sort of like, um, dare I say, like

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Speaker 1: Marvels what if series? It's sort of um, sort of

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Speaker 1: not familiar. Well, it's sort of it's not canon, but

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Speaker 1: it's sort of like, you know, this is related to

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Speaker 1: ours an extra feature. It's an extra feature. It's not

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Speaker 1: it's not our podcast, but it also no one can

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Speaker 1: say it's not not our podcast. It would be insane

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Speaker 1: to be like this episode where Sam and George talked

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Speaker 1: to one another that is released on the feet of

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Speaker 1: the Straighter Lab podcast is not part of the pot

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Speaker 1: that would be You would have to be institutionalized if

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Speaker 1: you said that, you would have to go to a doctor,

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Speaker 1: if you thought that, you would have to be diagnosed

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Speaker 1: with with podcast mischaracterization syndrome. And yet even despite all

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Speaker 1: of that, you'd be partially correct. And so that's where

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Speaker 1: it gets really complicated. Well, that's the problem with mental

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Speaker 1: illness diagnosis. But I can't get into it. Um I

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Speaker 1: feel I have to say, I feel insane that we

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Speaker 1: are recording again. I feel scared a little because I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what if we forgot how to speak to each other?

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Speaker 1: Um Well, in a long um tradition, in the long

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Speaker 1: tradition of smashing binaries, on this podcast, I would say

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Speaker 1: I feel both insane and the sanest I've ever felt,

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Speaker 1: because it feels so right to be back where I belong. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: back where I belong, completely invisible, just a voice to

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Speaker 1: be contained in the square of zoom with the phallic

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Speaker 1: at myself. I've never my heart rate is so slow

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Speaker 1: I really do feel the natural rhythms are quickly popping

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Speaker 1: back up in a way that like, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonch it, but I'm just Let's say we've hung out,

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Speaker 1: and I will say that. You know, when you when

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Speaker 1: you hang out with someone that you do a podcast with, right,

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Speaker 1: you kind of expect the banter to be in that way,

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Speaker 1: and it's actually not because when we hang out, we're normal,

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Speaker 1: real people and so we're trying to hit bits all

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Speaker 1: the time. But also when we specifically hang out, we're

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Speaker 1: other's direction back and forth, barely forming words or sentences.

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Speaker 1: It's true, if you hear it from maybe outside of

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Speaker 1: the room, you might think we're um embraced in sex

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Speaker 1: or something with all the bad sex, yeah, bad animalistic sex,

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Speaker 1: but um, but no, we're just tired of performing. But

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Speaker 1: this I immediately feel the juices flowing through my veins

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Speaker 1: once more. Um, we're recording, Yes, we're recording. How m

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Speaker 1: let's we could talk about the summer a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this. Our last interaction as um non coworkers

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Speaker 1: and just friends was when I canceled on your show

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Speaker 1: that I was booked on. How did that make you feel? Wow? Well,

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Speaker 1: you really um threw a wrench into our system. And

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Speaker 1: that wrench his name is Mary Beth Browne, who you

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Speaker 1: replaced me with. We luckily got Mary Beth Brone, who's

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Speaker 1: a true professional um unlike me. She was in Connecticut

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Speaker 1: and drove down to do the show at a moment um.

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Speaker 1: But no, the show was really fun. It was a

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Speaker 1: I in fact threw up in the afternoon of the

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Speaker 1: day after. Oh no, um. But the party was fun

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Speaker 1: and a lot of who's who, who's who were there.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of who's who's um who, except

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Speaker 1: for Danda Dario. He's the only one who didn't sign

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Speaker 1: an nba um. But also, speaking of Gawker and seeking

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Speaker 1: of summer, I don't know if it's retreading too much

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Speaker 1: to be like we were gonna you know, there was

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Speaker 1: I feel that maybe our listeners would like to hear that.

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Speaker 1: But also, you did write an article about that today,

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Speaker 1: so I don't that's tread Okay, Well, that article is

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Speaker 1: in paraback conversation we had, it's true, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the summer could be. People were looking to us to lead. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we failed. He failed. Oh he really did fail. Um,

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Speaker 1: do you want to talk about how you feel like

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Speaker 1: you failed? Um? You know, I do think so much

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Speaker 1: of my so much of my flop summer did boil

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Speaker 1: that was I mean, it wasn't just that. There were

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Speaker 1: other things. I mean to me, something that was a

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Speaker 1: me nostalgic. Ford to blast you. I was like, if

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Speaker 1: course fun. Don't get me wrong, but it simply is

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Speaker 1: I'm it's a new era, my my jealousy era, jealousy

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Speaker 1: I and I do think it's also probably a symptom

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Speaker 1: Maybe this isn't supposed to be interestince bonanza, but I

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Speaker 1: and literally I think they had just announced percent capacity

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Speaker 1: the weekend before or something. Yeah, and so I remember

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Speaker 1: because we had sold it out with limited capacity and

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Speaker 1: then we had like forty eight hours to sell it

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Speaker 1: at full capacity because they had just announced that be

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Speaker 1: the Bellhouse was opening. And guess what we did. We

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Speaker 1: did it. We did a Girls, such a fun show.

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Speaker 1: Could not have picked a better lineup. Everyone was so

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Speaker 1: sweet and every we did um segments with people from

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Speaker 1: the audience and they were also nice, and they send

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Speaker 1: us nice emails afterwards, I mean heaven. And then of

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Speaker 1: course since then it's been all downhill. But now we're

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Speaker 1: now we're fetishizing normal. Yeah, so that's gonna be huge

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Speaker 1: for everyone. Um, I'm like, so that's it. Then this

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Speaker 1: was it. This was our episode about the what's coming.

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Speaker 1: It's coming, and I just want to say we're both

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Speaker 1: so excited to be back. Yeah, we are. I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: This is crazy me too. You know what my biggest

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Speaker 1: fear is I don't even want to will this into existence. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. Say it. I'm like, what if

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Speaker 1: people associate the pod with like lockdown and quarantine and

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Speaker 1: then are not willing to go with us to the

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Speaker 1: next chapter. George, I think that's an insane thought. I

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Speaker 1: think despite being a quarantine Hit and um maybe birth

449
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Speaker 1: sort of in the pandemic, we you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: think we embodied pandemic culture. I think, like, yes, we

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Speaker 1: were at the same time, but we don't work within

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Speaker 1: the parameters of pandemic entertainment exactly. I do want to

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Speaker 1: briefly mention the premise of our podcast, which is straight culture.

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Speaker 1: Just I kind of I'm like, let's do a rapid

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Speaker 1: fire like what was this Like, what was the straight

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Speaker 1: culture of this summer? Oh that's a genius question. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to Hit. At the very very end, um something

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Speaker 1: about events. Coming back has felt like I'm specifically thinking

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Speaker 1: of like things like the met Gala, the e m

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Speaker 1: a Is Fashion Week, things like that that were such

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Speaker 1: like staples of this kind of pageantry, even though they're

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Speaker 1: so gay. I'm like, something's missing. Yeah, I've found it

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Speaker 1: hard to like connect to like true pop culture this song,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know why I and maybe that's an

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Speaker 1: aging thing, but I it's weird because last year I

466
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Speaker 1: was all in, like it's just like like who I

467
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: don't care about Shawn Mendez and I don't like even

468
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: making fun of him isn't fun. And like, I don't

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Speaker 1: really know. I've like most music released this summer has

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Speaker 1: left me like feeling a little empty. Yes, I'm like

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Speaker 1: really like what excites me? And I can't tell if

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Speaker 1: it's simply again like a mental health issue, or if

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Speaker 1: it's like that the culture is just kind of boring

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Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, as I was writing my little blog today,

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Speaker 1: I was kind of like, oh am, I just depressed,

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Speaker 1: right right, I think like, no, I think I'm trying.

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Speaker 1: I want to like pinpoint the I mean, you know

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Speaker 1: how I love right finding a rude cause of course

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Speaker 1: I do want to say as a parenthetical. The fact

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Speaker 1: that the met Galics theme was America, Like that is

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Speaker 1: one of the straightest things that god horrifying. Um truly,

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Speaker 1: I would say, um shocking. And I guess maybe what

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Speaker 1: it is is like and this is not really a

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Speaker 1: pandemic thing, but it used to be the It used

485
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Speaker 1: to be that, like straight people would interpret culture straightforwardly,

486
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: and then gay people would like play with it and

487
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: like find ways to view it through a different lens

488
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Speaker 1: and blah blah. And I think now something like the

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Speaker 1: v M A S or something like or or some

490
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: other every everything in pop culture is almost like created

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Speaker 1: to be a gay meme. Yes, so then it takes

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Speaker 1: all the fun out of it. Yeah, it is not

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Speaker 1: counterculture in the same way anymore. What do I have

494
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: to do to interpret something in a new way? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's become kind of lazy. I think it's the point, Like,

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Speaker 1: it's not They're not like looking at like subtleties or intricacies.

497
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: They're just like, well, what if we put him in address?

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00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: It's like, well that can be cool, but how are

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Speaker 1: you doing it? Or like can you say, there's literally

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Speaker 1: nothing more boring then thinking a man in address is

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Speaker 1: in any way interesting. I have to agree. Like somebody

502
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: on Twitter said this and I agreed. What it was like,

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Speaker 1: can we start critiquing them in a dresses because I

504
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Speaker 1: have notes? And it was like, yeah, because some of

505
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: these dresses look bad and some look great. But it's

506
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: like you don't get an a just for effort anymore.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what though? Do you want to hear

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Speaker 1: my my my new take that I just came up

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Speaker 1: with what we were talking about before. If all of

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Speaker 1: pop culture is basically just trying to be like uh,

511
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Speaker 1: lowest common denominator game memes, that makes something like normally

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Speaker 1: like fetishizing normally even more urgent because we can just

513
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Speaker 1: let we can let Katie you know, whoever the VMAs

514
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Speaker 1: and whoever else try to create churn out bottom of

515
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: the barrel game memes, and meanwhile we can go to

516
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Speaker 1: New Jersey and buy a rug. If anything, we are

517
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Speaker 1: reclaiming all the all the good parts of straight culture

518
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Speaker 1: for ourselves while straight people kind of um fight over

519
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: one another for who gets to paint their nails and

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Speaker 1: wear a dress in order to be featured on um

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Speaker 1: angel Mommy's instagram. Wow, I mean I think that's actually genius.

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Speaker 1: I think you hit the nail on the head. I

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Speaker 1: think you're her training is going to be really coming

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00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: in handy this season. This season is about about digging

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Speaker 1: deeper while also never even brushing the surface. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea what this season is going to be about.

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Speaker 1: I like to sort of dive in and then see

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Speaker 1: how the water feels. That's that's my methodology for this season.

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Speaker 1: I agree. And also, we're going to be open to you.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna go into it with an openness. We

531
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Speaker 1: don't have to prove ourselves anymore. We know where iconic,

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Speaker 1: we know we slay mamal Um. Yeah, I think it's

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. This is crazy good. I'm also also I'm

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00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: like so excited for our first two guests. I know

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be there. Like I would say, there are

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Speaker 1: two of the people I have wanted to get for

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Speaker 1: a long time, and I would say both of them

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Speaker 1: at different times. I was like, are am I cool

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Speaker 1: enough to reach out to them? Yeah? So of definitely

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Speaker 1: two people, maybe we should even ask them. No, we

541
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: definitely shouldn't. Definitely two people where I was like, do

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Speaker 1: you hate me right now? And the answer I'm could

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00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: have been yes, even but I think at this point

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Speaker 1: in time, honey, it's no. It's no, and that's so powerful.

545
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: Unless they canceled us, you're supposed to report tomorrow. Well,

546
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: time will tell. Um. Yeah see, you can't wait. I

547
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: can't wait. I can't wait to do this with you

548
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: yet again, yet again, Mamma Mia to here we go again,

549
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: here we caught again. Oh my goodness. Okay, um, see

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Speaker 1: you guys next week for the real season that's not

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Speaker 1: this one, which is a fake episode. Bye Bye,