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Speaker 1: Hey, it's Monday. Grab your balls and say hello. I

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Speaker 2: Said you little friends, Ye.

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Speaker 1: Say hello to friends, little and big, doesn't matter. Who

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Speaker 1: are here? How you doing? Everyone on this thirtieth of

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Speaker 1: September twenty twenty four. My name is Luke Thomas. That's

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, and we together our morning Combat Fun show.

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Speaker 1: We have planned for everyone here today on the show.

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Speaker 1: And by that I mean we're gonna have some UFC

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Speaker 1: Paris reaction. We're gonna have some anti trust talk. Devin Haney,

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell is suing Ryan Garcia. That's going well for.

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Speaker 2: A whild and we have some edgy shit. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: stuff coming your way. And rip to Kimbe Mutumble.

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Speaker 1: Kim Bab Mutumbo. The news just broke eight minutes ago,

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Speaker 1: eight minutes ago in Mutumbo house, Mutumbo, Do Kimba Mutumbo,

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Speaker 1: the famous NBA center has passed away at age fifty eight.

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Speaker 2: They happened in threes, So you go, Chris Christopherson yesterday

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Speaker 2: to bab Who's coming with them? Luke, Who's next?

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Speaker 1: Probably me? But I'm not a legend, so it doesn't

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Speaker 2: Think you've got a Bang energy drink for your final

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Speaker 2: for your final wish.

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Speaker 1: Not only do I have, here we go, you can

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Speaker 1: Bang Energy drink, the energy of people who are looking

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that what does that even mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great Jimmy Hendrix song too.

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Speaker 1: You know you will also talk about UFC three oh

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Speaker 2: No sed to this The Australian Sun, you know, the

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Speaker 2: Long Island, Luke. That as a pay per view, but

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Speaker 1: It's a really good fight night card. That's the way

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Speaker 1: Night card, Long Island. Luke is back there, fresh off

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Speaker 1: How you doing, Bud?

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Speaker 3: I can nor confirm nor deny that any of that

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Speaker 2: I mentioned he has chlamydia. I'm like, that's what you get.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the PFL fight that had fourteen different knockdowns?

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Speaker 1: With that extremely compromised. I can't he fought this way.

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Speaker 2: Plus he woke up on the marketing side, something like

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Speaker 1: Sure, I'm only focusing for this particular point on the

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Speaker 2: Dude.

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Speaker 1: BSD is tough. BSD is athletic. BSD is incredibly driven,

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Speaker 2: Like some tough look. I mean the Ortega and although

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Speaker 2: And cuts in the clinch. We're devastating.

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Speaker 2: out of his depth in that situation. It cost him

437
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 2: the fight.

438
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,199
Speaker 1: Just a tough position to get out.

439
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 2: Obviously a tough position, but it's like we had him

440
00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,520
Speaker 2: ready to essentially I did to win this by knockout

441
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,199
Speaker 2: and catapult into legitimate contention, and he certainly showed you

442
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,639
Speaker 2: elements that would that would make you believe that. But

443
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 2: this was such a step back, dude, in that there.

444
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,200
Speaker 1: Are certain guys who get great wins in the UFC

445
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:56,919
Speaker 1: because they have some skill, but then they just have

446
00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,520
Speaker 1: so much drive and aggression it kind of overwhelm people.

447
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 1: And I he's a championship level fighters, sure, I'm not

448
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 1: discounting him to that but a lot.

449
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 2: But he rides these big momentums and he goes after.

450
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 1: They're usually power punchers. They're usually not like mixed guys

451
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,280
Speaker 1: like this, like a Dru mcfederie's. You guys remember Drew mcfedgerie's.

452
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 1: You remember him, Long Island Luke.

453
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,159
Speaker 2: No, big, big, not his fault. He was born in

454
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 2: the nineteen n you would say fault.

455
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 1: The point trying to make is he had big power, huge,

456
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 1: huge power, and they would get wins just by cracking people.

457
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 1: But then when someone could stand up to it or

458
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 1: get around it, their game would just kind of collapse.

459
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,400
Speaker 1: BSD is better than that, but it's a similar kind

460
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 1: of thing. I thought that was going to happen to

461
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 1: Moykano and instead look at the result. He looked incredible. Now,

462
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 1: b se, let me advance the conversation here a little bit. Yeah,

463
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: by the way, do we have that? Uh? We do

464
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 1: have the we had the X ray? Is that all

465
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 1: we have of BSD?

466
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 3: Was?

467
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, look at bsd's faces.

468
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 6: Lord.

469
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:54,199
Speaker 1: So this is basically I think a round of damage.

470
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could say two rounds.

471
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,479
Speaker 2: It was it was one round. So his right eye

472
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 2: completely swelled shut and had a massive cut on the

473
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 2: outside swelling part that was just gushing all over his face,

474
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 2: and obviously you can see his left eye was severely

475
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 2: Any issues with the stoppage, No, no, because there's only

476
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 2: so much you can take in. That's funny. I was

477
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 2: talking to Tim Zoo in an interview that'll be on

478
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 2: my channel this week, and you know, he was explaining

479
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 2: what it's like to fight through when your face is

480
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,959
Speaker 2: a crimson mess and the blood is getting in your

481
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 2: eyes and it's burning and you can't see. It's such

482
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 2: a danger to begin with. But he not only had

483
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 2: the swollen shut, he had the massive cut on the

484
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: outside of that that was leaking. Well, tim'sus was different

485
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 2: because it was here, but it did constantly compromise his

486
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 2: vision to the point where it led to him losing

487
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 2: a close fight. In that regard, I have no problem

488
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,439
Speaker 2: with the stoppage. My biggest concern in question, Luke, is

489
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 2: how damaging is this to bsd's potential brand slash title contention.

490
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: It's two losses in a row. We've seen many guys

491
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: come come back from that, and there's certain circumstances in

492
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 2: both that you can almost explain away to some degree.

493
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: You won't explain away this law. But he just got

494
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: caught with big strikes early on the ground and showed

495
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 2: tremendous heart. But you know he's up against time with

496
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 2: his face, it's gonna leak and it's gonna fall apart.

497
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 2: So no issue with the stoppage. But how concerned should

498
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 2: we be about d Bsd's future. How much does this

499
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 2: potentially stop him from eventually making that run to the

500
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 2: title shot.

501
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 1: I think this is a crossroads fight for him, the

502
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: only conceivable conclusion you can have. And I know he

503
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 1: used the excuse of he was on antibiotics for staff

504
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: ahead of the fight as somewhat. This is the first

505
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: show I've done back since vacation where I've not been

506
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: on antibiotics. I'm actually done with them. That's true, you had,

507
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 1: so I understand it like he was probably on heavy artillery.

508
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: So yes, it will drain you. I certainly respect to

509
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: understand that you can't use it anymore. Plus your opponent

510
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: had a terrible orthopedic injury and you got fucking dominated.

511
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 1: You have to be able to look at this and

512
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: say you don't have enough skill. Yet, you just don't

513
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: have enough skill. You have tons of athleticism. No one's

514
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: questioning his heart to go out there in the second round.

515
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: Even with that injury that Morkano had. It's still ridiculously

516
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: him down and was executing a game plan, and he

517
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: would have fought the third if they would have led him.

518
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: But you don't have enough skill. He does not have

519
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: enough skill. That's just as flat as I can make it.

520
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: But he's still well. He's twenty seven to twenty eight

521
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: BSD twenty eight. He's got time. He's got time. If

522
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: he really looks at this and says I need to

523
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: get better, he's got the time. You know, he's got

524
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: the athletic ability, and you know he's got all the

525
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: aggression in the world. It can be a turning point positively,

526
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: or it could be a reinforcement of a negative future.

527
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: The choice is really his.

528
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 2: He's got to hit the ground and really work on that, right.

529
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: I know what some people were gonna say, he needs

530
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: to get out of France. I don't know if that

531
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: is true. But if I were him Waikana was taking

532
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: him up on the offer to come train an att

533
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 1: I would at least spend a little bit of time there.

534
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: Do they kick the tires on the idea. Right, do you.

535
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: Agree with Moikano when he said fuck Macron.

536
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anybody likes Emanuel Macron.

537
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: Right, I don't know much about the bloke, all right.

538
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 1: He's he's widely disliked. I mean, I'll put it that way.

539
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: But you know what I said this and I maintained it.

540
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: None of that shit counts if someone does it in

541
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia.

542
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: Hey, Darrey, use brought up Jesus in the Middle East.

543
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: Okay, but that's all Abrahamic religion stuff. Jesus is a

544
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: prophet in Islam. Like, that's not it was balsy, a

545
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: little bit palsy. That was that was also u AE correct, correct? Okay,

546
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: So I'll give them, I'll give them honorable mention, honorable mention,

547
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: but it doesn't count until you go to some place

548
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: they'll throw your ass in jail for insulting the leader.

549
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: And then you insult the leader. That's what I want

550
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: to hear. That's that's when you're like, okay, props, that's

551
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: a but of course that's not what happens anyway. All right,

552
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: either here north there? What would you want to see

553
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: next for Hnas and Waikano. The choices are as follows.

554
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: How do you pimblet Dan Hooker?

555
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: I love this? There breaking up Dan Hooker.

556
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: Justin Gaegee.

557
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,959
Speaker 2: Easy answer for me, it's Patty Pump. Even if it's

558
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 2: if it's not a step forward in ranking aggressively that

559
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 2: you would think a win this impressive would give you.

560
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 2: It gives him the ultimate opportunity to kind of become

561
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: a star if he can win one more. There's obviously

562
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: legitimate questions about Patty. This is really the perfect crossroads

563
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: fight for us to find out right now, how tough

564
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 2: is Patty, how good is his well rounded game? How

565
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: will he look when a legit fighter, a finisher like

566
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: this potentially puts him in his back against the wall

567
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: and he has to rally back. I think it's one

568
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: of those perfect situations where if Patty would win it,

569
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: he would get so much respect for doing it against

570
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: a veteran, battle tested on that hot of a streak.

571
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: But if this is the moment we find out that

572
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: Patty's not ready for prime time, dude, how big of

573
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 2: a win would that be for ConA. I mean, you

574
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: can certainly argue that if you got in there with

575
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: a gay Gee that that win could mean more on

576
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,719
Speaker 2: a critical pomp for pound level, but on a this

577
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: guy's trying to become a star, and I give him

578
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 2: o Connor a lot of credit for the character that

579
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: he's unleashed in recent years. I don't know if it's

580
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 2: just like a stone cold Steve Austin thing where you

581
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 2: take your regular personality and turn it up to eleven

582
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: and this is what we have, or if he charted

583
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 2: out a way to create this character but he's hilarious.

584
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: It would be a monster win. And I think you

585
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: even have the opportunity to bring this fight to the

586
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: UK and make it. You have to see that look

587
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 2: you have. Of all the tests you can do for Patty,

588
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: this one you could see him getting fed up. You

589
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: got to see this. I love that matchmaking more than

590
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: any of the other fight.

591
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: Why not for Dan Hooker fight, because that's also a

592
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: great fight.

593
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: It would make sense on the idea of who can

594
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: take a leap in the in the rankings. But I

595
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: don't think it's as valuable for Moykno because he's got

596
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 2: I mean think about it from like, he's got a window. Look,

597
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: he's got a window here to do it wouldn't you

598
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: want Patty who was so less proven compared to these

599
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 2: other guys and you get you get double the commercial exposure.

600
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: First of all, all three of those choices are great.

601
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: There's not a bad one in there. The the Gaechee

602
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: one means a little bit less to me because I

603
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: don't really know how much time he's got left in

604
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: the sport. I don't know if that's exactly the direction

605
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: we should go. So to me, the two best ones

606
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 1: would be Hooker or Patty. Patty is to be the

607
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: better of those two, But I just don't know if

608
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: the UFC really I don't I don't know what they

609
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: want from Waycano. They obviously believe in him to a degree.

610
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: They gave him this even though he was the underdog

611
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: but main event in Paris. But it's hard to say.

612
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: Don't you think the equation falls more when you're talking

613
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 2: about the UFC and what they want with Patty than Moykano.

614
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 2: It's more like, how good do they think Patty is?

615
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: And are they willing to risk he can win that fight?

616
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: But right, but are they willing to risk it on Moycano?

617
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: Is he a big enough perfect foil to play the

618
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: b side in that is that the matchup they would want.

619
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 2: I think they would.

620
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: He might be He might be by now, he might

621
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: be by now. Yeah, I mean I do think we're

622
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: at a place now where that is Listen, if you're

623
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: main eventing an overseas card in a I won't say premiere,

624
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: but a market of the future, let's say market of

625
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: the present, but also market of the future. They probably

626
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: do believe in you, and did he performed awesome?

627
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: Would he be the favorite? What ConA might be the

628
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: betting favorite?

629
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: I think he would be, but slight, it'd be very I.

630
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 2: Mean, I have respect for Patty's game and the increments

631
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: he's been adding to it, the maturity, the poison, all that.

632
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: But you got a favor from a betting standpoint, McConnell,

633
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 2: this would be a great fight. I mean, look, talk

634
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: me into Hooker on the other side. Outside of just

635
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: could be a fun Crez the action fight. There's not

636
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: a lot of personnel. I don't know.

637
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, Hooker's ranked fifth, and so there's

638
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: a value there because of his ranking position that I

639
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: think he covets and I think would make a lot

640
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: of sense. I mean, there are dude, not tell what

641
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: Cono versus Dan Hooker would be an awesome fight. People

642
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: are acting like it wouldn't be. It's just that the

643
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: Patty one would be uglier. In terms of the pre

644
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: fight build up, It'd be a lot more fun.

645
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: Probably it would almost feel like a quasi not title fight,

646
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 2: but like it would feel way more important than it

647
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: actually is because of Patty's brand and the that's right

648
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 2: and the polarizing thing around him.

649
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: Right Moi Kano brings a certain kind of I'll stir

650
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: the pot energy, sure, which would work great against Patty

651
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: pimblet for our entertainment. That might be the way that

652
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: they go, But I guess we'll have to see. In

653
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: terms of the other parts of this card, BC now

654
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: Sardine Imovov gets a decision win over Brendan Allen two

655
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: rounds to one. Essentially, what did you make of their

656
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: performances and who should be next? For Imovov?

657
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: It wasn't pretty. It was a tactical one one on

658
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: the ground there, largely by Imovov, but I thought he

659
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: showed his veteranness in really showed Brandon Allen, might you know,

660
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: possibly not being ready for prime time, And you saw

661
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: that he had a very good first round, couldn't make

662
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: the adjustments to stop what imov was doing. Imovov was

663
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: doing in rounds two and three, couldn't really figure out

664
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: how to win that fight. So it said a lot

665
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: wasn't overly exciting. But Imovov is becoming one of these

666
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: like sleeper contenders now where not every fight is an

667
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: absolute banger. But does part of him remind you of

668
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: Musasi or do they just kind of look alike? There's

669
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: parts of the game.

670
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: I think it's more did they look alike? I think

671
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Musase's game was a little bit more well rounded.

672
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: Sure, and he was certainly a better fighter at this

673
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: point when you're comparing what they you know, what the

674
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: reputation is and who they beat, what they've accomplished. But

675
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: this win streak now stopping cannoneer this to Alan, there's

676
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: another good name in that too. On this three fight

677
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: turn Leeja, thank you, Luke. He's he did. He show

678
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: you here in a in a veteran sense like he's here,

679
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: he's ready for real contention. Obviously not exciting, not great,

680
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: but he figured out the lane to win this fight.

681
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: He leaned in it and he got it done in

682
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: a technical basis.

683
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: He had two tough losses, as you mentioned to Strickland

684
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: and Curtis all the way back in twenty twenty t three,

685
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: and it seems like since then he has learned quite

686
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: a bit about himself and his game. I still think

687
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: some of this was it was interesting to me. Brendan

688
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: Allen looked good early, definitely looked really good early that

689
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: first round, no question that he won it. But in

690
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,239
Speaker 1: the second round, like how often did you see this?

691
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: We talked about this as well. Herbieb Nebka made off

692
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: Is big on this. He would push you Movov to

693
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: the fence off a single leg and then would just

694
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: let him stay there in position rather than making him

695
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: balance and the best guys and that those positions make

696
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: him balance. I don't know if he had the gas tank.

697
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: I don't really I.

698
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: Don't see like urgency, like this is his fight, this

699
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: is his moment.

700
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: And then you know then a part two was wrestling

701
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: on his knees. I mean, I'm not saying anything he

702
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: doesn't know, you know, like you just Imovov has good

703
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: first order takedown de fence, like a good sprawl. But

704
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: I have a feeling if you change stuff together, you

705
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: could really get the better of him, or at a

706
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: bare minimum find the back. And it just seemed like

707
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: Alan would have a good, decent first attempt at it.

708
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: It gets stuffed and then he'd just be stuck underneath

709
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: and then he pull guard and try and sit underneath

710
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: like that, which can be fine if you're Demi and Maya.

711
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: But that's a hard act to follow. So it wasn't

712
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: a great performance from Brendan Allan. There's parts of it

713
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: they were great. Imovov to me looks competent, a good

714
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: in certain areas. His boxing looked good. I thought that

715
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: was the best part.

716
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: Well around it, He's not overly exciting, there's not overally dynamical,

717
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: but he sound.

718
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: He's sound. He's not excellent everywhere.

719
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: Do you think he represents his Daghistani heritage enough in

720
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: the cage? Would you like to see more of a

721
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: commitment to dominants?

722
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean no, I wanted to see him do what

723
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: he does best. I think he's good, not great, sure,

724
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: and so for that reason, I'm not like super high.

725
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: On but if you're incomplete, he's sort of becoming that

726
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: that guy that lets you know, especially a gatekeeper, is

727
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: making his own rise.

728
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right if you're lacking. He's not the

729
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: same kind of depth of technique as a guy like

730
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: Moi Kano, but in a similar kind of way. I

731
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: thought Brendan Allen's wrestling he wasn't really able to chain

732
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: stuff together very effectively, and that really hurt him in

733
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: disappointing performance a little bit. Yeah, I think he's better

734
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: than what he showed. But you got to show what

735
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: you have, and it was it was okay, it was okay,

736
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: wasn't great? BC. We have to talk about our guy,

737
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: Matt Ravola. Oh my god, do we have that TK?

738
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: It didn't? Have you seen this? You can you pull

739
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: it on?

740
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: By chance we can. We'll revisit it.

741
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll find it.

742
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: So far as the looked really good, look pretty good.

743
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: Ko's him?

744
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: Uh after beating his ass, I thought, you know, I'd

745
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: seen the highlight before I watched the fight, so I'm thinking, okay,

746
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: maybe for vola Is in this fight, he just got caught. No,

747
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: he got systematically beaten down and set up perfect.

748
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: I mean, look at it. Look at dude, oh man,

749
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: so so in my opinion, BC, justin Gaetchee being kaoed

750
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: by Max Holloway is KO of the Year. But buddy,

751
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: if this ain't number two, I don't know what is.

752
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: This is a fun, phenomenal knockout. So we'll talk about

753
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: Ziama just a second, but we gotta talk about our guy,

754
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: Matt Frovola. We've had him on RSD. He just had

755
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: a kid, he's vacationing in France. He seemed to have

756
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: a good attitude about it all. I hope he's okay

757
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: pictures with after this is several knockouts he's had in

758
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: his career. Where does he go from here?

759
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: It's hard because what is he thirty four slash thirty five?

760
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: He's right something like that, where you wonder have we

761
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: found out about him enough when he does move up

762
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: to it to you know, the highest level as as

763
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: we've seen him kind of level off against BSD. Now

764
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: this There's been some tough knockle losses in the past.

765
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's aggressive, he can be dangerous, but

766
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: he got handled in this fight. So it's funny. I

767
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: want I got to bring back Long Island Luke because

768
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: he lives in the same damn town is for Vola,

769
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: so this must be like feel like the home team.

770
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: But do you almost feel like you can make a

771
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: case long Island that he should he should step away.

772
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hate to say it, and I don't know.

773
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: I'm not in charge of his financial future, but this

774
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: is a brutal loss and I would not be shocked

775
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: if he stepped away.

776
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: What about if you just take Let me ask a

777
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: question if I may. I'm not saying that that shot

778
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't have KOed him no matter what, but I do

779
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: wonder both what the ko shows and that what the

780
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: aftermath is about the resiliency of for Vola's chin. At

781
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: this point, I.

782
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: Agree with the argument.

783
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: We've seen him get flash kot a few times now,

784
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 3: so it's just and this was this was no flash.

785
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying this just the full on this one.

786
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: But all all the creditin world you mentioned Xiom was

787
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: doing well. Listen to these numbers, b see these are

788
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: again quantitative, not qualitative totals, but in significant strikes. In

789
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: round one xim eighteen to for Volas nine, in round

790
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: two thirty four to seven, and in round three it

791
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: wasn't very long, but six to zero. He also got

792
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: three takedowns in round three.

793
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: He was savvy.

794
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: He got one takedown in round one and for Vola

795
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: got one takedown in round in round one as well.

796
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: But this was comprehensively good, It really was.

797
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: I mean, how much did this make you excited with

798
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: Zim that we have a new arrival of somebody on

799
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 2: the scene. Was it just one fight, one good performance

800
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: or are you circling him on your rankings in the

801
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: UFC war room as a guy to watch.

802
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: I definitely feel like this was a bit of a

803
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: standout performance. But like and he's got a couple of

804
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: other nice wins. He has a win over Ji Herbert,

805
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: but the fight before this he had a split against Claudiopoiges,

806
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: who is kind of a little bit one note. Sure,

807
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: so more to show, more to show, but obviously this

808
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: was ridiculous. Brian Battle had a nice win, he gets

809
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: a TKO in the second round.

810
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: You still want a lot to get to getting his

811
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: brand out there more. I like that the added tats.

812
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: I certainly like the aggressiveness of that finish and the

813
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: call out after that. We'll see in the shit later,

814
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: the sort of battle with the French fans. But would

815
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 2: you agree that that while he's still sort of building

816
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: a case into true contention and us seeing going from Okay.

817
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: That was a tough guy. He had some success there

818
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: to now he's legit. He's he's kind of playing the

819
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 2: right notes with the look, the attitude, the feel like

820
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: I want I cheer for him, I want to see

821
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: him do well. He's starting to win me over. Luke,

822
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: Are you on my level with that? Or are you

823
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: like man, I hate MMA fighters?

824
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't hate MMA fighters, but I just

825
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: white people just well just you. Uh No, it's not

826
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: even that, It's just that he had a very he

827
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: had a good fight. He had a very spirited pre

828
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: fight thing going on, and certainly his post fight call

829
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: out was memorable. Sure, but I'm most high on fighters

830
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: who have championship. But I just don't know if we're

831
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: there with him. I'm not saying we're not. We just

832
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. So, you know, this is why people

833
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: are like, I like so and so's call out, and

834
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, how good are they? And then you know,

835
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: you get a bit of a mixed answer, and it's like,

836
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: this is why I like Eliot to Porio. I don't

837
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: give a ship what these guys say. For the most part,

838
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: I want to see what they do when they perform

839
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: and that dude is one of the most electric talents

840
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: in the sport. Like I have a completely it seems like,

841
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: relatively to many fans, I have a upside down version

842
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: of Uh what appeals to me about the sport? I

843
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: like the sport for the most part.

844
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: O the sport part of is I like the sport party.

845
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: But you do like some of the fan fa.

846
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: Of course some of it is fa. It like you

847
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: can't it's hard to like fighting without that like at all.

848
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: That has to play a role, But it seems like

849
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: the balance.

850
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are your thoughts on? In cage?

851
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: So Aileen Petez gets a win over Darya zeleznaia Kova,

852
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: who was not great.

853
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: No, and we have a believe me, Aileen has her

854
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: own section. And have you seen this ship this week?

855
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: Because she won this week. But let's actually have the

856
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: conversation right here. How good is she as a fighter?

857
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: You look at her resume, it's getting there. It's starting to.

858
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: Get you missed wait in this fight, which was a problem.

859
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: She's a handful. It seems like she's a wild card.

860
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: She's a wild card. She's got some ability, but I

861
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: don't she beat a dunk, right she'd be a dunk.

862
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're not. This is not the

863
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: kind of fight where you can make an assessment about

864
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: someone's talent very much.

865
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: She knows how to entertain, Luke.

866
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, how is it that like extra

867
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: coaching from the sidelines is verboten? And then you can

868
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: put your ass and butt hoole in someone's face and

869
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: the referee north South Luke, Yeah, and and the referees

870
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: may or may not say anything like I don't. It's

871
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: not that I care about either one individually, but I

872
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: don't quite get the standard that we're trying to uphold.

873
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: You sit in the same pocket I do. Whereas much

874
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: as you like want sportsmanship and busheto and people to

875
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: treat each other right, the allure of the of the ridiculu,

876
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: the herb putting her ass in the face of somebody's

877
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 2: just speed up and submitted. I don't know, dude, Maybe

878
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: it's my gas station hot dog upbringing, but like I

879
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: also really like that shit too.

880
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: See, it's the kind of thing you would do to

881
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: your sibling, right if you were, like, if you were

882
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: like squabbling with your siblings and you were wrestling. You

883
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: ever have a brother you're wrestling with your brother. Yeah,

884
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: you fart in his face? You know what I mean?

885
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: It it felt a little bit like that. Which again

886
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: it's not like I find it offensive. I just find

887
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: the rules of ever made, Like what what are the

888
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: rules of engagement? What are the rules of decorum? What's

889
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: the difference between me last.

890
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: Your personal thing? Would you rather have a completely buttoned

891
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: up bushido almost one championship vibe going on? Or would

892
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 2: you be okay with more sauciness with you know, remember

893
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: the Strikeforce Nashville Brawl. Gentlemen were on live TV. I

894
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: was sitting there on TV, going yeah, yeah, like that

895
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: was I like hijinks like that.

896
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: I think here, I will say this in general, I

897
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: don't think you should get in the way of a

898
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: fighter celebration. I don't like it when the commission finds

899
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: people getting on top of the cage. I understand why

900
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: they do it, but I don't agree with you.

901
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: This is Molly Meatball running around in circles with Patty

902
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: on her shoulders for like an hour.

903
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: And however, what I will say is if you've submitted

904
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: an opponent, whether they're conscious or not, and the referee

905
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: tells you to get off. You need to get off

906
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: and like move away off.

907
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, two positions in a one

908
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: night stand?

909
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: What song is that?

910
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: My prints off of diamonds and pearls. Sorry, I lived

911
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: the nineties, you know I still live in them.

912
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: Apparently you got to move away from them, so like,

913
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: but just putting your ass in their face to me

914
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: is like, Kobe, it's a little much, Kobe, it's a

915
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: little much.

916
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: Tell me how my ass tastes a little much?

917
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: All right? We see. With that in mind, any of

918
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: your thoughts on this card, you'll see Paris fun card

919
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 1: for the most point, you see.

920
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: Shop tweeted that this card on paper was like way

921
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: better than the sphere.

922
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: I thought that was a little aggressive, he said that.

923
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been in very anti sphere. I thought it

924
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: was an okay card. I like the crowd. The crowd

925
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: was into it. We certainly had some good performances here,

926
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: but it didn't move me Long Island. Look, you're in

927
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: the weeds, dude, you're in the main card minute pot

928
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: are like punch for punch? Did that card movie at all?

929
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: No, it was better on paper than it actually played out.

930
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was that great.

931
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: It's always the ones you missed, that's what they say. Oh,

932
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: it's the ones that no one's sleep that considers that

933
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: they're always great. And I'm like, that's what you believe.

934
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: If you're the world's biggest fucking moron, that's that's what

935
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: morons believe. Just everyone knows that.

936
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: Okay, did you see that study came out that power

937
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: slap brings brain damage.

938
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: On seventy eight percent of its Yeah. I mean, I'm like,

939
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: I bet it's higher than that. I bet it's higher

940
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: than that.

941
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: Just can we just what are you?

942
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 1: What are you passionate about? What are you passionate about?

943
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: Are you passionate about taking brain damage for cheap?

944
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, I don't know where you're going

945
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: with that passionate.

946
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: Just remember Dana White said it because he was asked about,

947
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: like his own brain damage, and he was asked about, uh,

948
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 1: you know, the safety of power slap and his answer

949
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: was basically like, you know, what are you? I got

950
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: news for doctors. You're all gonna die, which is true. Yes,

951
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: you know, what are you passionate about? And I'm like,

952
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: it's very hard to make an argument that anyone is

953
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: passionate about slap.

954
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: It's like, now, what'd you think about in the It

955
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: got a lot of mileage out of the McMahon Netflix

956
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: stock that Stone calls.

957
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: I need to watch this. It's all over my timeline.

958
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: Stone called Steve Boston went on a rant. It was

959
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 2: they were having conversation about brain damage and Crispin Waugh

960
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: and are the mcmaons ultimately responsible for not previously having

961
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: the wellness program that they ultimately had to put in

962
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 2: after Crispin wah, But they had, you know, concussion experts

963
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 2: speak And then suddenly Stuonet called see Boston's like, yeah,

964
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 2: I don't believe in that CT. I just don't believe

965
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: in it.

966
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: It's like saying I don't believe in the rain, Like

967
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: you don't have a choice.

968
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's some I mean like when

969
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: someone like Dom Cruise is like, yes, I do not

970
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: believe in ring rust. It's not a real thing or

971
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: k trust. I think that's more of just like you're

972
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: training your mind that like this will not affect me.

973
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: Like, but I think CG stands were chronic traumatic and cephalopathy.

974
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: They can see it in your fucking brain.

975
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: They showed the benoir like scans of his brain like

976
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 2: they can. It was as it was the worst they'd

977
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: ever seen.

978
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: The taul proteins get tangled. That's what That's what they mean.

979
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: It's not like. That's what I mean, like I don't

980
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: I don't believe in the Sun. You don't have to.

981
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: It's like it's there irrespective of your belief of it.

982
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: It's that's what I mean. Like I just a lot

983
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: of athletes to I tune out.

984
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: These you know, unrelated to this, Luke. But you are

985
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 2: a man of education and a man of the world,

986
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: or maybe the man of the Solar system. Do you

987
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: see that they found a new planet that might have life?

988
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: I didn't see this, but they do this every so often.

989
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: Where did they find one?

990
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: They use some crazy telescope to find one, you know,

991
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: their solar system that they think has almost a consistency

992
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: of Earth in terms of like the.

993
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: Does it have the same proximity to its own son

994
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: that typically hit ten.

995
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: I didn't go that too in depth, but you know,

996
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: then the crazier conspiracy people are saying that they've also

997
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: seen but they won't report that there's been like an

998
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 2: armada of ships coming. But I don't know if I'm

999
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 2: I'm not going that far, Luke.

1000
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: But an armada. Armada is just Spanish for navy.

1001
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, a large armada of ships.

1002
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to point number two here if

1003
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: we can be see that this is a very simple one.

1004
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: So we didn't get a chance to get to this

1005
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: last week. We don't have to spend all the time

1006
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: in the world on it, but we do need to

1007
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: touch on it. The UFC announced that they had reached

1008
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: a renewed settlement with the plaintiffs in the Kung Lee

1009
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: Fighters antitrust case. Now, previously, in the last settlement they

1010
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: had agreed to three hundred and thirty five million for

1011
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: both the Johnson and the Lee cases. This one is

1012
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy five million. But now they're splitting

1013
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: the cases, so it'd be three hundred and seventy five

1014
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: million for just the Kung Lee case. They would not

1015
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: be touching the Johnson case at all. BC. What is

1016
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: your sense that the judge will accept this settlement?

1017
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. I wanted to get I wanted to

1018
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: get your mcgracken ass going. You know, Can you put

1019
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: on your John snash and tell? So?

1020
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: I do think there is people are looking at the

1021
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: number three seventy five versus the last one, which is

1022
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: three thirty five, and they're saying it's this is a

1023
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: paltry increase, which is true. In the grand scheme of things,

1024
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: it's not much of a change in the number, but

1025
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: there was a really big change. The settlement as it

1026
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: was originally constructed, was for two cases, for the Kung

1027
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: Lee case twenty ten, twenty seventeen, Johnson case, everything thereafter

1028
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: up until essentially today. The reason why these are different

1029
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: is because there is no injunctive relief in the Lee case.

1030
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: It is strictly a monetary dam It's the minor contractual stuff,

1031
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: but it's basically a monetary damages case. All the stuff

1032
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: that would change UFC contracts is all a part of

1033
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: the Johnson case. However, the Johnson case because so many

1034
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: people are not really a member of that class or

1035
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: they've signed off on being able to participate in class

1036
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: action lawsuits. Remember, if you signed to fight with the UFC,

1037
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: you have to agree to not fight. Excuse me, you

1038
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: have to agree you won't participate in class action lawsuit

1039
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: against them. There are no really monetary damages in the

1040
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: Johnson case, but there could be if they win or whatever,

1041
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: significant changes to.

1042
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: The Johnson case is the one that could change the

1043
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: business for the future.

1044
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: That's correct.

1045
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: Where the Lee one is, let's get these retired fighters paid.

1046
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: That's exactly correct. Different time periods, but in functionality, that's

1047
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: the focus that they serve. The UFC agreed to let

1048
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: go for now of the Johnson case. They're just gonna say, hey,

1049
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: let's focus on the Leak case. We'll give you three

1050
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: seventy five mil for approximately twelve hundred fighters. I think

1051
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: it's roughly what it comes out to, and we'll deal

1052
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: with the Johnson case later. That might do it now, I.

1053
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: Do, might get it out out of the conversation, right,

1054
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: That might bring an end to it.

1055
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: But it's a big change because I think what the

1056
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: judge wanted to see out of this whole thing was

1057
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: some kind of change with the way the UFC does

1058
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: their business. That's not even possible really in the leak

1059
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: case anyway. It's only really a monetary damage, is one.

1060
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: So the question you have to ask yourself is is

1061
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: this enough in terms of monetary damages? And maybe it's not.

1062
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, but the fact that they disentangled the

1063
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: two as a way to get a settlement that is

1064
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: a significant difference.

1065
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: And then you're seeing fighters. One of them, Tom Lawler

1066
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: was on Twitter basically like almost begging Judge bull Where

1067
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: to accept this because they need and want the money.

1068
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 2: I mean that seems to be from the lead standpoint

1069
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 2: what this is about for them, and and a lot

1070
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: of them could probably use it in a big way.

1071
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: So this kind of so you know, you were saying

1072
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: off camera that that the that the Johnson settlement could

1073
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 2: be years, So this really is a way to kind

1074
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: of take away this hurdle right now. How much of

1075
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: a hit to their business do you think that amount

1076
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: would be? I know, you're they have an opportunity to

1077
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: pay enough time.

1078
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: Nothing, nothing at all. We wouldn't even notice it nothing.

1079
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: It's very very easy for them to pay that. It

1080
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,479
Speaker 1: doesn't really become a problem until you're a billion dollars

1081
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: or more like they're not even close. This is very

1082
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: very I mean, I'm again, you know, I'm sure if

1083
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: you ask them they'd be like, hey, three hundred and

1084
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: seventy five million is not chump changed. Nor am I

1085
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: suggested that.

1086
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: The TV deal is going to be outrached.

1087
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: What I mean it's gonna Sometimes you'll see this in

1088
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: like soccer, for example, You'll see like a big signing

1089
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: at a new club, and then they'll debut and they're like,

1090
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: how does this club afford to even pay for this guy?

1091
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: And then you'll look at their jersey sales for the

1092
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: new club form like the first week that they were debuted,

1093
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: and cover they recoup all their money just in jersey

1094
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: sales alone. So like it feels a little bit like that,

1095
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: you know, like, yes, it's a lot of money, but

1096
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to put them in the poorhouse.

1097
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: But everyone thinking this is just the same as the

1098
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: last settlement. Oh but forty million more. No, that is

1099
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: definitely not the case. It's forty million more or just

1100
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: a case that could only ever be about a monetary settlement. Sure,

1101
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: we shall see.

1102
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: What I wonder if there's a connection between this kind

1103
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: of getting out of the way and how aggressive Dana

1104
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: wants to be in boxing next.

1105
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: I think I think it's a lot. I mean, do

1106
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: you so imagine the judge rejects it. I don't know

1107
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: that he will, but imagine that he does. By the way,

1108
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 1: we should note something too, the judge rejected the first

1109
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: deal and the second deal. But as it pertains to

1110
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: the second deal, he never really wrote down why. We

1111
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: all kind of estimated that it was just not enough,

1112
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: both from a monetary standpoint and because it was both cases.

1113
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: That's what Dana said, because they went to high school together. Well,

1114
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: maybe stuffed them in a locker.

1115
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: It's got to be personal. I'm like, or maybe you

1116
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: don't understand that people don't like all of your business practices.

1117
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: But Okay, the point I'm trying to make here is

1118
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: the he didn't exactly articulate precisely why he rejected it,

1119
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: so we're kind of forced to be like, is it

1120
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: just that he separated the cases of this time? Is

1121
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: it just the monetary settlement size. I don't know, I

1122
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what's going to happen. But

1123
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: the point you're raising is, can you imagine you're you

1124
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: already have the dominant brand and professional wrestling. You already

1125
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: have the dominant brand in UFC or sorry I should

1126
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: say MMA, and now you wouldn't have the dominant brand

1127
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: necessarily in boxing, but you would be involved. You're you're

1128
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: you're in business with a dominant brand, right, They wouldn't

1129
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: own it per se, but they would be in business

1130
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: with it while you were being sued for anti trust violations.

1131
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: I just feel like you could do it. I don't know.

1132
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: I don't know the promoter. If they did almost a

1133
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: Nolhiman PBC model where Alhiman's not the promoter, it's a

1134
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 2: managerial company GGB Promotions, but they've got TGB, they've got

1135
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: many weather promotions. You know, they've got lewid to keep,

1136
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: They've got like Samson as a promoter, they use a

1137
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: lot too. So if you did it that way and

1138
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: you wouldn't really have those same Muhammad Ali act issues

1139
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: in that.

1140
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: Regard, there are always to get around it. Yes, there

1141
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: are always to get around sing. So I don't know

1142
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: what they're going to do. We're really kind of guessing.

1143
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: But it's all I want folks to understand is the

1144
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: one big change is not the money. The big change

1145
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: is the splitting of the cases in the settlement. That's

1146
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: the big change.

1147
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: Barely connected to this. Do you think that there's pressure

1148
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: on to Zone that if Data and Turkey come together

1149
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: and make a boxing super league or super network or something.

1150
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 2: Right now, do Zone's kind of in control as the

1151
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: clubhouse leader in boxing broadcasting at the moment, they have

1152
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: the biggest fights consistently.

1153
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: Yep.

1154
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 2: BBC is still doing big time stuff, just not as consistently,

1155
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: and top rank is maybe a step back from where

1156
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: they were a couple of years ago. Still strong, though,

1157
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: what do you think that means for de Zone?

1158
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, because didn't Turkey recently just say he

1159
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: thought Dezone was the best in quality? Yes, and like

1160
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: the leader in the business for It's like, would you

1161
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: go that quickly from one and again?

1162
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: Is that like is he sending a message with that?

1163
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 2: I don't know?

1164
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: Or also also also, here's this new thing that's happening.

1165
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: It's like it used to be like, oh, you only

1166
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: got a pay per view via ESPN, and now it's like, yeah,

1167
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna air on ESPN, the Zone, PPV dot com.

1168
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: You can basically just get it anywhere. Is it gonna

1169
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: be something like that where there's one dominant place for it,

1170
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: but you can just basically just do a deal with whoever.

1171
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: Like it's a weird time. It's a weird time in.

1172
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: The day time, but it's really gonna be interesting with

1173
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: the next.

1174
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: All these guardrails that used to exist both for good

1175
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: and bad. There many of them are just falling apart.

1176
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: And how the business is mixing together is so straight dude.

1177
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: Mma and boxing being in business together ten and certainly

1178
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago was unfathomable.

1179
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: Yes, it's like being at a weird wedding reception, right

1180
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: where like people from opposite sides of the lines that

1181
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: the families that don't like each other, they're being brought together.

1182
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: Interesting, interesting stuff coming right, Let's move along to the

1183
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: boxing side of things. We'll get to UC three or

1184
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: seven a little bit later. We see, we got to

1185
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: talk about this. This is I thought, one of the

1186
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: most interesting strange I don't know what you want to

1187
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: call it, but here it goes something like this. In

1188
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: the Eastern New York District Court, Devin Haney has filed

1189
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: a lawsuit against both Ryan Garcia By the Way Golden

1190
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: Boy Promotions as well, But for the purposes of this conversation,

1191
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: we'll focus largely on Ryan Garcia b s. He is

1192
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: suing for really a few different things, if I may,

1193
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: let me just tell the audience here very quickly. He's

1194
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: suing for damages related to what he claims our battery fraud,

1195
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: and breach of contract. This is also again a breach

1196
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: of contract claim is what he's also asserting to a

1197
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 1: degree against Golden Boy B. See. The response to this

1198
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: that he has been met with has been less than enthusiastic.

1199
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: I think you could say from the fan base, what

1200
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: will be what is the upside? Excuse me, let me

1201
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: ask a different way. Talk to me about the immediate

1202
00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: fallout of this lawsuit. What is the reaction on the street. Secondly,

1203
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: do you think there's any merit to it? And I've

1204
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: read the lawsuit, Yes, I'll send it to you now.

1205
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: As a matter of Hannie is getting killed for this,

1206
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: killed for this on Boxing Xboxing. You know the Twitter,

1207
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: the social media culture. I had Regis Progray on my

1208
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: Brian Campbell experience. You'll see that interview this week, and

1209
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: I asked him, you know, he had just fought Haney

1210
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 2: in his last fight in December and lost, and he said,

1211
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: that's a pussy move. And that's not my words that

1212
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: you know, it's how the fighter talk about it. But

1213
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 2: the whole idea of like why, what's the real motivation,

1214
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 2: what is there to win? I think this is the

1215
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 2: Haney family almost desperately trying to make up for by

1216
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: chasing Ryan financially. Here the things that they didn't do

1217
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 2: when this fight in the way in situation happened that

1218
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: they should have done protected themselves. I mean, Luke, now

1219
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: you've got Eddie Hern who seems to be on the

1220
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 2: ropes with Haney. I don't know if you saw them

1221
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: bickering in England over the ticket and all that, you know,

1222
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: he's basically coming out and saying, you know, he would

1223
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 2: have preferred that after Ryan mis weight and all the

1224
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 2: craziness that went on there that you know, they forced

1225
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: him to have a rehydration clause for the next day,

1226
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 2: to have to weigh in a second time. These are

1227
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 2: the things that the Hanes didn't do. They didn't put

1228
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: as much pressure on Garcia when he was sort of

1229
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: flippantly on purpose missing weight, and they just sort of

1230
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 2: maybe due to the chaos, not wondering if Ryan was

1231
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: even fit to even be in that ring. We're just like,

1232
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: let's just get through this. The fight can go on

1233
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: no matter what we believe in ourselves, and to some

1234
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: degree I understand and respect that, but ultimately you lost,

1235
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: and it doesn't seem in the opinion of everybody from

1236
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: people in the barbershop on Twitter, real fighters analysts, whatever,

1237
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: that you lost because of the ostereen. Ryan did test

1238
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: clean with Vada as intrusive as you can get all

1239
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: the way leading up, and this was seems to be

1240
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 2: tied into his attempt last minute to make weight and

1241
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 2: the whole idea that he was potentially up fifteen pounds

1242
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: overweight entering fight week, and we know that was as

1243
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 2: crazy and bizarre billed as possible. The Hani family lost

1244
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 2: this fight because they couldn't pick up Ryan's left That's

1245
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: really what happened. But they also did not protect themselves

1246
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: in the a side power and leverage they could have

1247
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 2: had and could have wielded against Ryan when it became

1248
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: clear that he wasn't going to take the way in

1249
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: part seriously that he was probably listening to Floyd and

1250
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 2: strategically doing this to give himself an advantage and not

1251
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 2: suck himself down. So now after the fact, you're going

1252
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 2: to sue him for battery. It's such a bad look.

1253
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: It's so against sort of the old schooled nature of

1254
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: pick the l get up. Are there certain elements to it?

1255
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: Are there potential excuses you could have? Is there an asterisk. Yes,

1256
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: it's a no contest now, there's clearly an asterisk, But

1257
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: to try to beat him in the courtroom rather than

1258
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 2: going back and making a rematch happen and have it

1259
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 2: be a monster, hot fire rematch where everybody wins and

1260
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 2: show everybody the old school way that you're the better man,

1261
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 2: the better fighter. That's how it's been done. This is

1262
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 2: while there's certainly an argument to make about what will

1263
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: the results of this do for boxing moving.

1264
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: Forward, because no trial, it's just a lawsuit right now.

1265
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's like it's such a

1266
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: bad look and it took him a while to get

1267
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 2: it out there. It wasn't like they sued him right

1268
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 2: away right after. It's sort of like, I don't know,

1269
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: it's been a really bad pr stretch for a fighter

1270
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: I really like and Devin Haney and really believe in

1271
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: his ability and think I think he also doesn't even

1272
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 2: get the credit he deserves for how tough he was

1273
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: in that fight, getting up three times and fighting his

1274
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 2: way back and it was a very close fight, but

1275
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: you lost, and you got to take the l and

1276
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: you didn't lose because of the osteen, even if it

1277
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: did give Garcia an advantage to get close enough to

1278
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 2: the weight. Potentially you lost because you couldn't pick up

1279
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 2: the left hook repeatedly. And Luke, when you see Ryan

1280
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: gar you see the old sparring video that leaked of

1281
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: them sparring about three four years ago, it was the

1282
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: same thing. Ryan Garcia was landing that left hook like

1283
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 2: at will. So now you look back on their six

1284
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 2: fight amateur run where they were rivals and they went

1285
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: three and three against each other. Ryan acted crazy enough

1286
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: leading up to that fight where it changed all. It

1287
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 2: warped all of our visions of what that fight really

1288
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 2: was and was gonna be. I do for his ridiculousness.

1289
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,479
Speaker 2: He's absurd, Ryan Garcia, but I give him a little

1290
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 2: bit more respect now that I see that sparring footage

1291
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 2: at how ready they were game plan wise, mentality wise

1292
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 2: to come in and do that to Haney. But he

1293
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 2: lost because of that, not because of the Austrien. So

1294
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 2: this looks very after the fact kind of petty, and

1295
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: I don't want to say week I can't say that.

1296
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 2: I'm a journalist, you know, like I'm not in there

1297
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: risking my life like he is. But it's a fresh

1298
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 2: and new move and I don't know if it's necessarily

1299
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 2: the right move.

1300
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: So I have two points I want to make about this.

1301
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: I read the lawsuit. I'm not a lawyer. I don't

1302
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: really know how successful it will be. My hunch is

1303
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: that it's probably a long shot, especially if on the

1304
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: doping side, Garcia is able to substantively show some evidence

1305
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: that it was contamination or you know, an incidental it

1306
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, direct doping. I will say that little

1307
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: spree he has gone on where he has talked about

1308
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: everything in this sort of loose and disorganized way, all

1309
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: of it is sided in the lawsuit. All the stuff

1310
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: he said online, all the stuff he said a Ryan. Yeah,

1311
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean they have his ass like, well, he's done himself,

1312
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: no favors. That's one thing that did come away from

1313
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: me when you're reading the lawsuit, like they took every

1314
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: piece of him being like the guy Scooter gave it

1315
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: to me and all this different stuff. He doesn't come

1316
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: across looking very good. I'll just be honest. However, in

1317
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: terms of the legal case, I don't exactly think it's

1318
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: super strong. I will say that they sued Golden Boy

1319
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: as well. Get this, so they claim that when Ryan

1320
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: Garcia was fined by the Athletic Commission and had to

1321
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,439
Speaker 1: return his one point five million dollar perse. Golden Boy

1322
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: is allowed to by contract they agree with this take

1323
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: a cut of that, but that they are entitled to

1324
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: forty seven percent of the rest of it, and Golden

1325
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: Boy won't give him that, and they believe they are

1326
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: entitled to it. So if you think about it, that's

1327
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: actually could be around five hundred k that they he

1328
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: thinks he's owed. I did think that was an interesting claim.

1329
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: I wonder how that one's gonna go. So that's a

1330
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: side claim. But I have two real claims about this one.

1331
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: I looked up a couple of other incidents where a

1332
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: boxer has sued another active boxer. Two of them came

1333
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: up number one. It turns out, we found out recently

1334
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: Victor Ortiz was sued by Floyd Mayweather. They fought in

1335
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: September of twenty eleven. Yes, but in that bout, Victor

1336
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: Ortiz was kind of like popping him in the corner

1337
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: and then head butted him. The referee takes a point

1338
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: in that case, gets him to box again, and Floyd

1339
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: knocks him out. There's some dispute about to.

1340
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 2: Box again, and Victor's hands were down, and.

1341
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: His hands are down and Floyd t's off on him

1342
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: and the fight is over there. But the point I'm

1343
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: trying to make is he apparently got sued for the

1344
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: head butt. I don't know what came of it, but

1345
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: in this particular case, Floyd was suing over a foul

1346
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: and the illegal thing that I mean, and there's no

1347
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: denying you would agree Victor Ortiz clearly head butts him

1348
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: in that case, right, So Floyd is suing over a

1349
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: foul in about where he won. In the other case,

1350
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: Deontay Wilder sued Alexander Pavetkin because they were supposed to fight.

1351
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: Pavetkin tests positive ultimately for meldonia.

1352
00:58:59,240 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: And cost him.

1353
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: It cost him the payday. He sues for basically five million.

1354
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: He is initially awarded that. However, in twenty nineteen, upon appeal,

1355
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: actually Pavetkin's promoter World of Boxing ends up winning the

1356
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: whole thing and they didn't know him anything. But that's

1357
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: about that. Pavetkin, essentially, through the drug testing system, squandered

1358
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: and Deontay never got on a flight to Moscow. The

1359
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: flight the fight never even happened. In both cases, it's

1360
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: not a fighter who got hardcore beat up suing the

1361
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: guy who did the hardcore beating up. So I've seen

1362
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: people say, well, how come anyone had no thing to

1363
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: say about Deonte's suing or Floyd's sewing. One didn't have

1364
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: a fight and the other one won it over a foul.

1365
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: They're very, very different. But the thing that really stands

1366
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: out to me, the biggest point I come away with

1367
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: here is bec I saw the reaction online about this,

1368
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: even from people who I would say are sympathetic to

1369
00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: Devin Hayne. You had Ryan Garcia, who missed wait for

1370
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: this bout potentially on purpose. You had him at a

1371
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: bare minimum, whether you think he did it on purpose

1372
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: or not, failed multiple doping tests for performance dancing substance,

1373
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: ended up going on the fight afterwards saying byrultly racist things.

1374
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna get started on the stuff you

1375
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: said about gay folks or muscle and just on the

1376
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: race thing indistinguishable from like the most hardcore racist shit

1377
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: you've ever seen in your life. And the fan base

1378
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: is much more upset with Devin Haney.

1379
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: What's the true currency?

1380
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, On the one hand, it's such

1381
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: an indictment of combat sports and their sense of like

1382
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: even basic moral reasoning. On the other hand, it also

1383
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,439
Speaker 1: tells you, just given the lay of the landscape, if

1384
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: you can't even get positive pr against a guy like

1385
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: that doing those things, holy shit, you are going down

1386
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: a path that is is I'm not gonna say irreversible BC,

1387
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: because I actually think this makes the rematch even bigger

1388
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: of the remass can be. Rematch is gonna be one

1389
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: of the biggest rematches of our modern era. However, Devin

1390
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: Haney's stock as a fighter has collapsed.

1391
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 2: This Q rating has collapsed.

1392
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: It's collapsed.

1393
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: But the thing is, you can win that back by

1394
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 2: getting back in the ring and your business. And that's

1395
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: always been the case, even even Duran, who had a

1396
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: No Moss moment. You thought at that point, given how

1397
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 2: muchismo he was X should have been a killer, and

1398
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 2: he survived that. I mean, you can survive it by

1399
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 2: getting back in the ring and doing kind of what again.

1400
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 2: I think Hani deserves respect in some ways for the

1401
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 2: toughness he showed in that Garcia fight when it wasn't

1402
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 2: his night, and he kept getting beat with that brutal

1403
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 2: shot repeatedly I think he should use this period to

1404
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 2: get the eye of the tiger and look in the

1405
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: mirror and fill in whatever gaps were exposed by Ryan

1406
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 2: acting that crazy. And I don't I can't imagine it

1407
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 2: was easy at all for the Haines that fight week,

1408
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 2: wondering if he's going to show up? Is this fight?

1409
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 2: Should this fight even happen? All that, but they could

1410
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 2: not have handled it worse, I believe from a reputation

1411
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 2: standpoint in the aftermath, maybe that doesn't matter to them

1412
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 2: and whatever, and maybe they're just trying to make things

1413
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 2: hard on Ryan and get him back and get some

1414
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 2: money out of it. I don't know, But make the

1415
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 2: rematch now. Let's find out when Ryan's coming back. I

1416
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: know he's got that one year suspension that's coming toward

1417
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: an end soon. Yeah, April, and let's make that shit now.

1418
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 2: Because I was going to ask you from Hype alone,

1419
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 2: in the fact that both fighters are still so young

1420
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: and do connect with a very young fan base in

1421
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 2: ways that maybe only Tank versus Ryan has had in

1422
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 2: modern memory. Could this fight be as big as these

1423
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 2: heavyweight championship fights that we've been seeing.

1424
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, this fight has captivated boxing again. The Ryan

1425
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: Garcia Show, in terms of what he was able to

1426
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: perform on fight night was such a for many, certainly

1427
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: me revelatory. But he's also been I'm going to say

1428
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: this as nicely as possible, a polarizing and troubled figure. Yes,

1429
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair way to put it, very troubled.

1430
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: And then Devin Hayne, who had a ton of momentum. Honestly,

1431
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: we shouldn't forget the Lomachenko fight was disputed and there's

1432
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: been various criticisms of Hani, but going to Australia and

1433
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: then beating Cambosis and you know, playing the cards.

1434
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 2: Of he lost his game against Loma. I know you

1435
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,479
Speaker 2: can argue who should have won, and I thought Loma

1436
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 2: should have won. Yes, well, HAINI felt.

1437
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: Very well, what's so interesting is, you know we had

1438
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: talked about how Haney and his father deserve credit, Yes,

1439
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: because he went pro early in Mexico. He didn't play

1440
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: the traditional route, like look at the hand that they

1441
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: were dealt. They made the most of it. And it

1442
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: feels like, if you're just again I'm not signing on

1443
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: to I think Ryan Garcia is a great guy, but

1444
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: if I'm just reading the Tea leaves. It feels like

1445
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: they have gone in the opposite direction of everything that

1446
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: they all the little, little and big decisions they were

1447
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: making to advance Devin Haney's causes, they have made a

1448
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: series of decisions subsequent to that fight that have gone

1449
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: backwards big time in terms of advancing the calls within

1450
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: the boxing game itself.

1451
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: I don't feel like journalists can really you know, they

1452
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 2: can come close, but they can't really speak about a

1453
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 2: fighter's behavior because we are keyboard warriors at the end

1454
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 2: of the day, and we're not putting our lives on

1455
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 2: the line in the ring. And I do respect that difference,

1456
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 2: But I always try to ask myself in these situations,

1457
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 2: what would Ray Leonard do? I mean, Ray Leonard to me,

1458
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 2: above being an all time great ability wise and certainly

1459
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 2: marketing wise, he behaved like a fighter. He made fighter

1460
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 2: decisions in fights, you know, big rallies or just in

1461
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 2: the in the grandois of his matchmaking, he met He

1462
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 2: match made with a lot of balls, you know what

1463
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Yes, And to see him go in against

1464
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 2: Duran and suffer that loss and have Duran mock him

1465
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 2: like that and instantly run that back and win back

1466
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 2: his reputations, probably like the ultimate example of it. I

1467
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 2: want to see Hani do that. I want to see

1468
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 2: Hany go in there and have that chance to right

1469
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: the wrong and do it demonstratively. But I don't know

1470
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 2: if he's using this period to truly build that eye

1471
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: at the tiger Luke. Will it ever be there for him?

1472
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 2: Or will he always be more of a you know,

1473
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 2: technical whole, very very slick boxer. Do you do you

1474
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: think he can come out of this with a mean

1475
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 2: streak that he needs?

1476
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: So the answer is could he? Yes, of course. Does

1477
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: it seem like he's building towards that. No, it doesn't

1478
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: seem that way. I have a separate question, long Louke

1479
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: come out on the microphone. He ever, just a second,

1480
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: how do you feel Let's assume, for the sake by

1481
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: the way, I want to be clear about this, Garcia

1482
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,439
Speaker 1: might be able to show should this thing even go forward,

1483
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: it could be thrown out by the way, But to

1484
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: the extent that he goes forward, he very well might

1485
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: I want to be super honest about this, he might

1486
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: very well be able to show this was all incidental use,

1487
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: which is a massive problem for Haney. But let's say

1488
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: he goes the other way, and Haney is able to

1489
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: have a victorious moment against a guy by at least

1490
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: for the court's purposes, demonstrating that he was doping when

1491
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: he said he would not. Do you think that's a

1492
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: good thing or a bad thing for combat sports? A shit,

1493
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: that's a good question. That's a big question, right, Yeah,

1494
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: court settling these kinds of doping disputes.

1495
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 3: Based on the way you're wording it, I'm gonna say, no,

1496
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 3: we don't want them involved. But also if it's helping

1497
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 3: the sport get clean and that's what you're into, then

1498
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 3: it's a good thing.

1499
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm asking, like BC, independent of

1500
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: how it's been received, because it's been received poorly, poorly,

1501
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: is there any merit to it just on legal terms

1502
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: strictly that?

1503
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't feel like there is.

1504
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: The Golden Boy wants kind of interesting. There might be

1505
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: some real marriage.

1506
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 2: So what he wants with Golden Boys he wants like

1507
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: a timeline of events that happened when they found out

1508
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 2: about the test? How quickly did they share the results?

1509
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: Also, he wants a more detailed He believes that they

1510
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: have not given him a full accounting of our expenses

1511
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: and he's entitled to more money.

1512
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,439
Speaker 2: What do you make about what's being said about Hanny

1513
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 2: in the Twitter streets that there's this theory that the

1514
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 2: reason it's considered a big misstep that the Hanies didn't

1515
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 2: force Ryan to weigh in a second time on Saturday

1516
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 2: after missing weight by that much. Right, you know where

1517
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 2: where they keep him in overnight rehydration class so we

1518
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 2: can't rehydrate and eat and all that.

1519
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, just balloon back there and it.

1520
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 2: Has to do it. There are people that are saying, well,

1521
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 2: the reason why they didn't make him do it is

1522
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 2: because Hany is such a weight bully in these lower

1523
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 2: weight classes that he could never go through it himself. Like,

1524
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: if you make Garcia do it, you also have to

1525
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 2: meet a certain rehydration clause. Do you think there's anything

1526
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 2: to that? Because Hainy does put on a lot. You know,

1527
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 2: it seems like he's huge for these that weight cutmember.

1528
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: I remember his face on the day of the way in,

1529
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: like he had sunken eyes into his face and he

1530
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: was even saying with rematch at one forty seven.

1531
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,919
Speaker 2: Both, I think they should right now the whole fight.

1532
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: But if there is a rematch, It should not be

1533
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: a one forty Yeah, and I can't imagine that it

1534
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: would be considering how much Garcia missing weight is such

1535
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: a contentious point of this contest.

1536
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 2: You know, they got tom rematch it. They can't let

1537
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 2: Garcia got a comeback fight. They got to rematch him

1538
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 2: right away. It's going to be to their advantage if

1539
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 2: they try to push for it. And if you're Ryan Garcia,

1540
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you take this?

1541
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: By the way, even if Haney wins the second one,

1542
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: it seems unlikely he would knock Garcia out, there's probably

1543
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: going to be a third.

1544
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 2: This is, this is These are the rivalries we need,

1545
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 2: because it's not people waiting until they're thirty four and

1546
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: thirty five and we finally have Spence, Crawford and Mayweather

1547
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 2: Paci out and we're just so happy we got them. No,

1548
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 2: let's have these four Kings nineteen eighties, where you meet

1549
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 2: in your freaking prime, you have your I mean, when

1550
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 2: when Sugary Leonard and Tommy Hearns fought for the first time,

1551
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 2: what were they twenty two, twenty three, I mean, it's

1552
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 2: just ridiculous, right, Yeah, And to be able to have

1553
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 2: where you had those four names, and they fought each

1554
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 2: other nine times in not I think it was, was

1555
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 2: it nine times and nine years something like that.

1556
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure what the figure.

1557
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 2: Nine times and ten years. That's insane. Let's get this trilogy.

1558
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 2: Let's get Tank in here, Let's get Shakur in here.

1559
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: Let's fucking find out. What I mean, who is the

1560
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 2: man out of this group? I don't know the five princes,

1561
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1562
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 1: Well, definitely Tank is better than Garcia maybe we could say.

1563
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 2: That, yeah, and Haiti right now, and Hani yeah, I

1564
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 2: don't know. And then Tao's kind of up and down sometimes.

1565
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: He's I'm just saying, if you're the Haines, maybe you

1566
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: really believe in the strength of your case. Maybe you

1567
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they genuinely do. Maybe they have been sitting

1568
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: down with lawyers and they're like, we can actually do

1569
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 1: something here that is possible.

1570
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 2: What hit him financially, that's what they're gonna get, right.

1571
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: Just really cripple his career best they can really make

1572
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: them suffer as much as possible and maybe change maybe

1573
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 1: they really feel like they can change the way that

1574
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: doping enforcement goes with this, I tend to find that unlikely,

1575
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying maybe they actually believe that. But

1576
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: if you can turn someone as odious as Ryan Garcia

1577
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: into a sympathetic figure rough times, holy shit, you have

1578
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: to reevaluate the steps you have taken for that to happen.

1579
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on, we see. Let's talk a

1580
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: little bit about the weekend in boxing, because on the

1581
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: one hand, if you're an MMA fan you didn't pay attention,

1582
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: you might be like, oh, what really happened? Well, nothing

1583
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: super big, although some good fights. I We'll talk about

1584
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: him a second. We got to talk about Mikayla Mayor. So,

1585
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 1: Mikayla Mayor moves up a weight class to what was

1586
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: this czerweight.

1587
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 2: Moves up from She won a title at one thirty Yeah,

1588
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 2: and then she had some big fights at one thirty five,

1589
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 2: then moved all the way up to welterweight because she

1590
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 2: was killing herself. Yeah, and then lost that title shot

1591
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 2: to Natasha Jonas earlier this year. Yes, by like split decision.

1592
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: But she takes on Sandy Ryan. By the way, if

1593
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,799
Speaker 1: you guys didn't see it, yes, it's ten rounds two minutes,

1594
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: but it's action packed. The best women's fights I've ever seen.

1595
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: I mean it was Sandy Ryan can punch your ass off,

1596
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: and MICHAELA. Mayer is a great boxer, no question about it.

1597
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: So BC that part was great. But put the picture

1598
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: up if you can not, the one where she's naked,

1599
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: the other one which she's got pants onlie, you have

1600
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: to put it like that. So here's Sandy Ryan. And

1601
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: if you guys didn't hear about that prior to the

1602
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: fight itself, on fight day, someone was it the fight

1603
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 1: day right this fight night, someone came and chucked paint

1604
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 1: on her. Now you can show the other one there,

1605
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: uh long island Luke and do we have the note

1606
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: she put up looks like I know, it looks good.

1607
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: She goes, still trying to come to terms of what

1608
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: happened last night. I know I shouldn't have fought after

1609
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: I was attacked leaving my hotel, but I couldn't let

1610
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: them win like that. I was fighting off empty and

1611
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: still felt I want the fight. We've obtained CCTV footage

1612
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: and are in contact with the NYPD. Pretty obvious what

1613
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: happened In the truth, She'll set you free shortly. You

1614
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: tried to ruin my career, but trust me, it's only

1615
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: just begun BC. There have been some suggestions. I don't

1616
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: know if there's anything there, you know.

1617
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 2: Uh, it's been a lot of suggestions, Okay, that.

1618
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: Like bab Michayla's camp was involved. I want to be clear,

1619
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: these are just rumors. It's not anything too that we

1620
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 1: know it. I'm just saying, who the fuck throws paint

1621
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: on another person in twenty twenty four? What happened here?

1622
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 2: We missed?

1623
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: What is this?

1624
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 2: We missed how saucy this rivalry was coming in. We

1625
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 2: didn't talk about this card last Friday in New York City.

1626
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 2: I wasn't even really that excited about I didn't even

1627
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 2: know this backstory. So do you know the backstory between

1628
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 2: the don't Sandy Ryan had come to the States after

1629
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 2: her big title win was and was looking to train

1630
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 2: with the top name guy and started training with co

1631
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 2: K Coroma, who was in Mikayla Mayer's corner. Obviously, El

1632
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 2: Mitchell is her main trainer, and she ultimately felt like

1633
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 2: Ryan and Coroma suddenly had this you know where she

1634
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 2: thought I could be a future opponent for Ryan, and

1635
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 2: they didn't tell her that they were working together and

1636
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 2: that Coroma was preparing so Ultimately, Kay Coroma kind of

1637
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 2: pulled out and wasn't with either fighter in here. But

1638
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 2: his best friend is Sandy Ryan's trainer, So you had

1639
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 2: this kind of saucy back and forth of like you

1640
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 2: stole my trainer. I demanded more respect, and Sandy Ryan

1641
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 2: saying like, I don't have to tell this bit who

1642
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm working with. So I didn't know that they outright

1643
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 2: hated each other. Then you add in that, which who

1644
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 2: knows right they entered Give ESPN credit. They covered this

1645
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 2: like the soap opera it was. And they went in

1646
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 2: the locker room and interviewed both and you know, Ryan

1647
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 2: was like, I don't even they say I shouldn't fight this,

1648
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna kill her. I mean, it was like

1649
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,959
Speaker 2: it was per It was like pro wrestling. It was perfect.

1650
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 2: And then Mikayla Mayer is like, you know, you can't

1651
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 2: believe that I would actually have a role on this,

1652
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 2: you know, and it was just it was very dramatic.

1653
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 2: And then they have a Fight of the Year candidate

1654
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 2: on top of that, and then there's the storyline that

1655
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 2: for as good as Mikhaela Mayer has been in, as

1656
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 2: much as she's been, one of the faces of this,

1657
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 2: you know, sort of renaissance women's boxing period, although not

1658
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 2: as high up on palm for pound, she's definitely been

1659
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 2: a champion before. There was that storyline like, you know,

1660
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 2: maybe maybe she's not gonna get that second title because

1661
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 2: she had that really close fight with Jonas and this

1662
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 2: one was close as close as possible, but for her

1663
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 2: to get the dramatic victory and the dislike between them

1664
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 2: and now Ryan is talking about finding the CCT video

1665
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 2: and it's like a mystery. Look, this is all awesome.

1666
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 2: This was great. I missed this fight coming in and

1667
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 2: they fought, They fought with so much heart and they

1668
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 2: were making adjustments. That was an amazing fight.

1669
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: Why did ESPN air it at one in the morning

1670
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: one that.

1671
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 2: It was not my favorite part? Yeah, at all?

1672
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't understand that. Also, I just don't get like

1673
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: who does the paint thing? Is that because you don't

1674
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 1: want to shoot them, you just want to humiliate, You.

1675
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 2: Want to humiliate them. And it did rattle her, like

1676
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 2: she came in she even admitted in the pre fight

1677
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 2: interview that like, I'm just gonna come in there and

1678
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 2: fight like this is a fight.

1679
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: Now.

1680
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 2: It got her off her game. Her team didn't want

1681
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 2: her to.

1682
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: How did you score it?

1683
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 2: I felt like it really felt like an even fight,

1684
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 2: Like I would not have had a problem at all

1685
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 2: with the draw.

1686
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: Who did you lean to Mikaela May? Yeah?

1687
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 2: She it was a tale of two fights, right, michaela

1688
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 2: outboxer in the first half.

1689
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she here's the thing to me, she pushed

1690
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: back in the eighth and the tenth Ryan came on.

1691
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: She did. She absolutely did, no question about it. But

1692
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: like Mikayla didn't relent. She rescued herself to me just

1693
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: enough to get to get the six rounds to four

1694
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: of myself.

1695
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 2: Okay, I scored it even. But if you said, if

1696
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 2: you had declare winner like Pride style, I actually would

1697
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 2: have given it to Standy right because I thought she

1698
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 2: landed the bigger shots, and especially in that second half

1699
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 2: when she was just putting that pace on judging after

1700
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 2: her it was fun. But Mark Riegle did he did

1701
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 2: have some big moments there. He said that the winner

1702
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 2: of this would be added to the mount rushmore of

1703
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 2: women's boxers and boxing history.

1704
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: Mark, that's not going to happen.

1705
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 2: I was like, let's slow down a little bit here,

1706
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 2: and then he said, you can have Hagler. Hearns, I'll

1707
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 2: take Mayor versus Ryan, and even Bernardo as sooner jumped

1708
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 2: in on the broadcast and was like, all right, all right, Mark,

1709
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 2: that's like that's too far, Like all right, slow, I

1710
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 2: forgot the term he used to Mark story.

1711
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: How did was he like a journalist for a long Yeah?

1712
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 2: No, he's a fantastic journalist. And do you remember he

1713
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 2: used to host that show on Fox Sports Net with

1714
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 2: Al Bundy called Barfly where they would like sit in

1715
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 2: a restaurant with other famous athletes and tell stories.

1716
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: It was you know, I don't remember that now, all right?

1717
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 2: And then he had the run. He was on showtime

1718
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 2: for a while on the top ranking. I mean, he's good,

1719
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 2: you know, but he was being very hyperbolic.

1720
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: He was working for you.

1721
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 2: He's a good dude, by the way, too as well.

1722
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 2: I think he trains too. He's always like, I mean,

1723
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 2: he's older than me, Luke, but I bet he can

1724
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 2: kick my ass.

1725
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 1: That's not saying much like that.

1726
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 2: I mean, do you want to I want to see

1727
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 2: a rematch.

1728
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, I'd be happy to see a rematch, but

1729
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: just no paint this time for sure.

1730
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,679
Speaker 2: Again this goes back to our earlier conversation, Luke, Sauste

1731
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 2: a spice.

1732
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: It's just a little spicy, I know, but I don't

1733
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,560
Speaker 1: want It's not like we got a bad fight from it.

1734
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: We got a great fight. But I think we would

1735
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: have had a good fight no matter what.

1736
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,560
Speaker 2: But do you think the Mayor team was behind it?

1737
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 2: That's the soap.

1738
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 1: I will tell you this. I don't because I'm going

1739
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: to give them the presumption of innocence. But can you

1740
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: noodle a world where they are? And like I could?

1741
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 2: I'm not blaming them.

1742
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, dude, boxing MMA is brutal, but I

1743
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: don't feel like it's as weird as boxing. Boxing is

1744
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:44,679
Speaker 1: fucking weird.

1745
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 2: It's weird as it's equally what you love and hate

1746
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 2: about it at the same.

1747
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's weird in a disturbing way and the

1748
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: weird and like a enthralling kind of way. This was

1749
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of both.

1750
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 2: It's like when you bring home the tattooed chick, Luke.

1751
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: You know what I saw. I saw interesting statistic. People

1752
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: who don't have tattoos are much more likely to bang

1753
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 1: people who also don't have tattoos. Really, whereas people who

1754
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: have tattoos are much more likely to bang people who

1755
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: also have tattoos. All right, do you have tattoos? Lyon

1756
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: and Luke? I do not? Is your girl she does?

1757
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: How many? Look?

1758
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 2: One is getting into just one?

1759
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: Does your wife have any?

1760
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 3: No?

1761
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:24,719
Speaker 1: My wife has tattoos?

1762
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 2: All right? Would you say more than five?

1763
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 3: No?

1764
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 1: I think she only has like two or three?

1765
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, any of a Colombian variety.

1766
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 1: I don't think she has the flag. No, No, I

1767
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: don't think she has any nationalistic ones. No, all right,

1768
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 1: very quickly, Shushu Carrington had a real tough fight. This

1769
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: was a moment, I guess. Yeah. By the way, Sulamansa Gala,

1770
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: can I just tell you something? And I mean dead

1771
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: serious about this? This is so okay. So Shushoe Carrington

1772
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: is this like top prospect. He's twenty seven years old,

1773
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: New York City, that he's they're fighting in Madison Square Gardens.

1774
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: When the fight's taking place, he's taking on Sulaman Sagala,

1775
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 1: who is from Yuganda. I'll come back to that in

1776
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: just a second. And Carrington barely got this one. Okay,

1777
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm really bemoaning. So Suliman is front Segawa

1778
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: is from Uganda, but he lives in DC. He trains

1779
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 1: out of Urban Boxing, which is which is over in Northwest.

1780
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 1: He lives out of Silver Spring, Maryland, so shouts to him.

1781
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: You know what blows my mind. Boxing media has declined

1782
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:24,560
Speaker 1: media generally, he has declined so much. But in this

1783
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: particular case, boxing media has declined so much that you

1784
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: don't even know who the boxers are in your town

1785
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: until they get just big enough to wear ESPN or

1786
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: whoever shines a lot on them. But anything they do

1787
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: before that, unless you're really.

1788
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 2: Plugged in, like an Olympic pedigree.

1789
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 1: You know, yes, well okay, but I'm saying you have

1790
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: to be on a massive tournament or like you know,

1791
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 1: I don't have to be Tank Davis. But like I

1792
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 1: could tell you, Lamont Roach does not get much Like

1793
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 1: Lamont Roach fought in DC recently, and I've sponsored a

1794
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: local fighter on that cart scooter, Davis. They didn't even

1795
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: there was no local coverage of this fight, so I

1796
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: had no idea. Sagawa was basically like adopted DC guy.

1797
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: By the way, he trains at Urban Boxing. Do you

1798
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: know who is a I looked this up today. Do

1799
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: you know who is a coach over at not his coach,

1800
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:11,799
Speaker 1: but a coach at Urban Boxing Mike Easton, the UFC

1801
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: former UFC bantamweight Mike Houston.

1802
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, holy, you did like a local

1803
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 2: news segment with Mike Easton.

1804
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: I I should, but you did. Oh, yes, I did.

1805
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: He was promoting his fights at the time.

1806
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 2: I had deep dived Google searched you once. It's a

1807
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,679
Speaker 2: little uncomfortable, but you just suffocated some chick one time

1808
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 2: that came up and what Yeah, I wanted to see

1809
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 2: your natural react are How did you find that?

1810
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh, don't don't be starting dumb ass rumors. But

1811
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: the one I want to make was he was It

1812
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: bums me out that I have to find about find

1813
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 1: out about guys who are competing from the city under

1814
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 1: circumstances like this. How did you score this fight? And

1815
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: this is the big This is the bigger question, folks.

1816
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: You're asking who cares about this? They were kind of

1817
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 1: setting up Shoeshu to be an opponent for in a way,

1818
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: No in a way the pound for pound great and

1819
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: Oya in a way Noia in a way would beat

1820
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: the fucking breaks off Shoeshoe Carrington. Can we be honest

1821
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 1: about that, Oh.

1822
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,560
Speaker 2: Get at well. I'm not making the argument at this

1823
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 2: point that they should make that fight, nor that Carrington

1824
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 2: wins it. But what I'm trying to say here is

1825
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 2: I think you have to make a decision of what

1826
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 2: you want to learn about a young fighter when they

1827
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 2: step up to like this was a step up fight

1828
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 2: for him, when they step up to a level where

1829
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 2: they could be exposed if they're not for real. In

1830
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 2: some ways, the boxing twitter reaction to this has been Okay,

1831
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 2: let's slow the roll on shoeshoe, let's stop talking about

1832
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:34,719
Speaker 2: in a way, which I think they should stop anyway

1833
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 2: for now, because he's building, he's developing. But I don't

1834
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 2: think he got exposed. Look in a perfect case scenario,

1835
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 2: he figures out Sigoua, walks him down and gets him

1836
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 2: out of there, and we wouldn't have had any questions

1837
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 2: about him. But there was a lot we learned about

1838
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 2: Bruce Carrington's character and boxing ability.

1839
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 1: In this fight.

1840
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 2: Did he take a chance by lowering his output, going

1841
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 2: to the counterpunching stance and really turning into a chess match, Yes,

1842
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 2: you take the chance that it's not going to go

1843
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 2: your way. And it was a close call. Was a

1844
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 2: split decision. I scored it six to four for Carrington

1845
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 2: in the end, but I thought the adjustments he made

1846
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 2: against a game, smart, battle tested veteran who really came

1847
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 2: to fight and win that fight came to expose the kid.

1848
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,679
Speaker 2: I think we still learned a lot. It was close.

1849
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 2: It is a let's slow the train down, but the

1850
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 2: natural progression from knocking out dude spectacularly, which is all

1851
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,560
Speaker 2: Stusho has done showing up and have you seen the

1852
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 2: shit all the time to now we're fighting the real

1853
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,759
Speaker 2: ones that don't go away. He did pass the test,

1854
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 2: and I thought he fought smart luke. Maybe he's not

1855
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 2: gonna be a massive knockout punch to look at somebody

1856
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 2: like Keith Thurman who was blowing people away, but when

1857
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 2: you got to the title level, Keith Thurman was there

1858
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 2: to box you. Maybe this is who Bruce Carrington really

1859
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 2: is underneath. But he's got I thought I saw a

1860
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 2: real veteran streak come out of there, even though it

1861
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,560
Speaker 2: was probably closer than they wanted it to be.

1862
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 1: I thought he got lucky with the decision. I thought

1863
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: you easily could have scored it ninety five ninety five.

1864
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 2: I thought you weren't impressed by it by the way

1865
01:20:58,400 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: he handled himself.

1866
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: No, I thought so gau Uh had a case to win.

1867
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: I didn't have him winning, But if you had one,

1868
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 1: i'd been okay. And I think scoring it ninety seven

1869
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 1: ninety three, which I think what two of the judges

1870
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 1: may have had was a fucking joke. There's not there's

1871
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: not seven rounds for Shushu Cary.

1872
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 2: There's not. Well, I give him six.

1873
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 1: Six I can live with, but show me what the

1874
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: seventh one is like.

1875
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 2: I mean he took the gamble by lowering the output

1876
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 2: and being the CounterPunch here. Yes, I just loved the

1877
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 2: adjustments he made for a young kid, and I felt

1878
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 2: like he wasn't chasing, he felt like he had that.

1879
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 3: I don't.

1880
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:28,799
Speaker 2: I don't think fight under control.

1881
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think Carrington is a fraud.

1882
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: It's not what I'm saying. I don't think he's ready

1883
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 1: for the likes of in a way.

1884
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 2: No, I don't think we gotta they gotta continue, They

1885
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 2: got to continue to build him. But I don't think

1886
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 2: this was a failure. It wasn't a lateral step. He

1887
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 2: passed the test. We saw, We saw that he can box.

1888
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 2: We saw that he can box, didn't we know that? Yes,

1889
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 2: but we wanted to see when you really get tests

1890
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:47,640
Speaker 2: on this love, you want to see what are you

1891
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 2: going to lean on. Some guys just lean on their

1892
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 2: power and they just let it go. I thought he

1893
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 2: leaned on his pedigree underneath it, even though he's this

1894
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: flashy guy with New York and he's been through a

1895
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 2: lot and he's got all these knockouts. When it came

1896
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: down to it, he leaned on his boxing to win that. Yes,

1897
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 2: I would have liked him to have been more active,

1898
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 2: but you know, throw more punches in that spot. But

1899
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 2: I don't know, I saw a good character come out

1900
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 2: of him. I was a little bit surprised that people

1901
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 2: were that, like almost calling him a fraud or something,

1902
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 2: or maybe he just looked average where this was a

1903
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 2: spot where he could have looked sensation.

1904
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing about Siguy was he's got the four losses.

1905
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: Two of them happened kind of like early in his career.

1906
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: But he has that Vido win that with the Reuben

1907
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: vo Winn. I believe that was kind of surprising, and

1908
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: so this one should not have been. I'll just say

1909
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,799
Speaker 1: this Carrington was being set up as like a future

1910
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: Holy shit American guy that took a hit, that took bit,

1911
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 1: that took a hit. All right, BC. With that in mind,

1912
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: let's get to our fifth and final topic here before

1913
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: we close out the show. By the way, I did

1914
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: send you to the Devin Haney lost it. If you

1915
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: want to take a look at it, it is worth reading.

1916
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: It's not very long. You FC three oh seven. YOUFC

1917
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: three oh seven takes place this weekend. They are back

1918
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City, Utah, for reasons that remain unclear,

1919
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 1: other than the Utah Commissions probably paying a hefty amount

1920
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: of money to bring them there. That being out of

1921
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,679
Speaker 1: the WAYBC, we have the work turn of Alexander PARREEDA.

1922
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: Poetson is back and he's taking on Khalil Rowntree, the

1923
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 1: number eighth ranked contender in this division. B. See, my

1924
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 1: question to you is not so much about Poeton, because

1925
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 1: it's there is one to have her, we'll have it.

1926
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: Let's start with Khaleil Rountree. Is he being overlooked heading

1927
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:17,799
Speaker 1: into this contest on Saturday?

1928
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think he's getting the proper

1929
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 2: amount of respect. You know, it was a little bit

1930
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 2: of a reach for him to get this title shot

1931
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 2: at this spot, although you know, you can look at

1932
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 2: who was available and who who hadn't already been sunned

1933
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 2: by Pereira. So I mean, he's running through this division quickly.

1934
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 2: I'm not against it. I love Roundtree's story. This is

1935
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 2: gonna be an action fight, but I think he's getting

1936
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 2: the look this guy's dangerous. He could jump in there

1937
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 2: and let you know, and if this turns into a

1938
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 2: war land the big one. But I think this is

1939
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 2: more about let's keep Pereira busy right now as we continue,

1940
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 2: you know, as they kind of decide, like where's he going?

1941
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 2: Because he's talking about he's still talking about going back

1942
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 2: to middleweight next and fighting DDP. It seems like Peara

1943
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 2: really wants this for such when I would just the

1944
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 2: same want him to do the opposite. And let's say

1945
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 2: he winsast Roun Tree. We'll find out, right, But let's

1946
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 2: say he wins and knocks him out, gets on the mic.

1947
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 2: What would I love for him to say, Hey, John Jones,

1948
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 2: don't retire after you beat Stepe f Aspinall. I'm the one,

1949
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: I'm the history maker. I'm the one who has the

1950
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 2: opportunity to become the first three division champion. I have

1951
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 2: nuclear generational power, regular nuclear nuclear. I would love a

1952
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 2: moment like that, a call out like that. It is

1953
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 2: ballsy to cut back down one more time and to

1954
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,560
Speaker 2: take on DDP, and that'd be another huge win on

1955
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 2: this epic epic. It's a short time, but wow, is

1956
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 2: he doing a lot. But I think people are giving

1957
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 2: round Tree the respect as like he could win this.

1958
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 2: It's not a complete travesty that he's in the spot.

1959
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 2: It's surprising he's put together a nice streak here, But

1960
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 2: do you think there're are you asking the question under

1961
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 2: the guys that maybe people should look a little bit

1962
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 2: closer and realize that that he is equipped to do this.

1963
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:57,799
Speaker 1: I think that folks should understand what matchmaking is, especially

1964
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 1: under the UFC's current model. Matchmak thing is like why

1965
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 1: are they making this fight? Partly to keep Poeton busy,

1966
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: partly because they probably want to preserve him in championship

1967
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 1: status as long as reasonably possible. That they won't do

1968
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: that forever, but that's also part of it. But the

1969
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: other one is they need main events for their calendar,

1970
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: and there may not be ready made fights like they

1971
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: may have, like obviously you have on Calia. He's going

1972
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 1: to be fighting in the Middle East instead of in Utah.

1973
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: That seems not accidental, given the fact that he is

1974
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 1: of Muslim descent. It's important for that market, which I understand,

1975
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 1: there's no problem with that. The point I'm trying to

1976
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,560
Speaker 1: make is they literally had to kind of manufacture a

1977
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: fight out of thin air in order to have something

1978
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 1: that they could put in this place at that time.

1979
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: It's not so much about like what's the best fight

1980
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 1: that they can make in this division, who's the most

1981
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 1: deserving guy. It's a series of calculations. It's not one

1982
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: or the other, but one of them is we have

1983
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,759
Speaker 1: a date on the calendar. What can we put together

1984
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: to just fill it? And that's a lot of what

1985
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 1: this is. You have to just admit it. However, we've

1986
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 1: said this from the start. It's a fun fight for

1987
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 1: as long as it lasts. I don't know how long

1988
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 1: that is, but I don't think it's gonna be boring.

1989
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: Number Two, if you just look at Rountree's style, particularly

1990
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 1: of late, he just stands in front of you. And

1991
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like that's a weakness per se what

1992
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that's his preferred way hole move around

1993
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: in the pocket a little bit. He likes to. He

1994
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 1: has a good right hulk, good left, straight, good overhand left.

1995
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 1: He throws them with significant intensity. He's got a good back,

1996
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 1: a rear leg shot to the body, you know what

1997
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 1: I mean. Like he's got a limited kind.

1998
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 2: Of game for a title Anthony Smith, Henry and this

1999
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 2: whole fucking thing.

2000
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 1: You know. So the point I'm trying to make is

2001
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 1: I actually feel like there's a little bit more danger

2002
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: than folks realize with a guy like Liro. He's got

2003
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: a big, strong guy who's gonna stand in front of

2004
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 1: him and throw with fucking intensity. If you make a

2005
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 1: mistake against that guy, it will cost you. However, this

2006
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 1: is my problem with the card. It's not made from

2007
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 1: like everyone was like, damn, we have got to see

2008
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: Poton fight Rowntree, or we have got to see Julianapina

2009
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: fight against Rocky Pennington.

2010
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 2: It's final see all though fight Bautista and nobody else.

2011
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 1: It's a great fight. I have no problem with the fight,

2012
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 1: but it was not one of those fights where like,

2013
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 1: oh my god, these two guys were on a collision

2014
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 1: course it's the opposite of that, So I actually don't

2015
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 1: hate the fight. I do think that Rowntree is, based

2016
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: on what I'm reading, maybe a little bit more of

2017
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 1: a threat than folks recognize. I think if Poton makes

2018
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 1: a mistake, it's anybody's fight. But all things being equal,

2019
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:37,719
Speaker 1: the most probable outcome is that Poton keeps his title.

2020
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 2: Is that a fair assessment, Yes, but it'll be fun

2021
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 2: watching him do that. And boy, would this shake up

2022
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 2: the system if Rowntree knocks him out. I mean, Poton's

2023
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 2: been knocked out before. It's possible. Rawn Tree brings that power.

2024
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:51,600
Speaker 2: I mean, would how shocked would you be?

2025
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 1: So?

2026
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 2: Like, how much chaos would this cause?

2027
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:55,600
Speaker 1: I was talking about this. I don't think it's as

2028
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 1: big as what I'm about to say. And there are

2029
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 1: very meaningful differences, but there are some. I can hear

2030
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 1: the echoes a little bit too. It wouldn't be that again,

2031
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 1: there's different real differences. But I remember exactly where I

2032
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 1: was when I saw this fight. I was at Hard

2033
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: Times Cafe in Frederickspur, Virginia, when Matt Sarah knocked out

2034
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 1: George Saint Pierre, and I was like, what the fuck

2035
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 1: did I just witness. Yes, remember Matt Sarah had come

2036
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:21,719
Speaker 1: off the Ultimate Fighter. He had a winver Chris Lytle,

2037
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 1: which was not a great fight. This is different because

2038
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,640
Speaker 1: Rowntree's had five wins in a row, five wins in

2039
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 1: a row, and the last one was the Anthony Smith one.

2040
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 2: Like this, you know, but the division like s depth

2041
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 2: right now, it's a ton a ton.

2042
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 1: But the point I'm trying to make is you didn't

2043
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,639
Speaker 1: see a realistic pathway from Matt Sarah because you didn't

2044
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 1: think he was a dynamic puncher at that time anyway.

2045
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 1: And yeah he's good on the ground, but Saint Pierre

2046
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 1: is really good on the ground, So like, what's the

2047
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: really of the path and then he just starches him?

2048
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: You know. Poe a ton is not the same as

2049
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: gsp rown Tree, very different from Matt Sarah in all

2050
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 1: different kinds of ways. But for a very unexpected guy

2051
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: to get a title shot again, Sarah only got it

2052
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: because he won the Ultimate Fighter. Rowntree only getting it

2053
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,839
Speaker 1: from just necessity of the UFC calendar.

2054
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:03,759
Speaker 2: He wants to make a BISBA comparison.

2055
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 1: Also, he's got a very fan friendly style. No, I'm

2056
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 1: not making a Bisbane comparison. I'm just saying it's got

2057
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of that echo there, not so much

2058
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: that I'm predicting upset, but rather if alpseet were to happen,

2059
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,679
Speaker 1: it's a contender that maybe shouldn't have gotten that normally

2060
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:21,560
Speaker 1: made the most of it. You wouldn't expect him to

2061
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 1: win it twice, but it would shake shit up in

2062
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 1: a very very.

2063
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 2: Important Shacob Pereira's best laid plans. Or it might free

2064
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 2: Perira to go move to a different division, whether it

2065
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 2: is up or down.

2066
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: Have you wait?

2067
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 2: Maybe that would be like this.

2068
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 1: So let me let me let me rotate the question

2069
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 1: a little bit. B See what does meaningfully Pereira get

2070
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: out of this with with a night and knock out?

2071
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:45,839
Speaker 2: Another pay day, another title defense, another potential highlight reel knockout.

2072
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 2: But again, like he's got to earn it, He's got

2073
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 2: to go in there against.

2074
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 1: The So let me ask you a different way. If

2075
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: he goes in there and like has a super brilliant knockout,

2076
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 1: does he have a mandate to demand things from UFC?

2077
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 2: Yes, he has? How could he have not have earned it? Them?

2078
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 1: Out?

2079
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 2: Every time? Like you know, every time there's a monster

2080
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 2: pay per view NYC three hundred call Perreira, he'll deliver

2081
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 2: and he's gonna win too, and so yeah, and now

2082
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 2: they're just sort of like kept him busy and put

2083
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 2: him in this in between pay per view and they're

2084
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 2: kind of just using him to sell it, that's what

2085
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 2: it is. But he'll get a big one after this,

2086
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I'm just wondering if should

2087
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 2: he get upset, would he go back to immediate rematch

2088
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 2: and try to win his belt back or.

2089
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this, if Poeton

2090
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 1: wins this without much I'm not gonna say difficulty, but

2091
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 1: not without much too much damage. Right, if he gets

2092
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:38,640
Speaker 1: out of this relatively clean, you have got to make

2093
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 1: him the second alternate for Jones Steepe. You've got to

2094
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 1: do it Joan Steve, because hold on a second, we

2095
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:49,839
Speaker 1: saw that tom Aspinall was named the backup or Jones

2096
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 1: versus Stepe. Does anyone really believe that Jones or Stepe

2097
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 1: is gonna fight tom Aspinall and lieu of who they've

2098
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: been trying to fight.

2099
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 2: So you're fixing the problem that both of them would

2100
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 2: say no.

2101
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: Yes by having Poeton at the ready. That's a good Lucas.

2102
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 1: You just look, you just created something. Sometimes you get

2103
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 1: for Jones, sometimes you go a different direction.

2104
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2105
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 2: Wow, that is a very incredible idea because now he

2106
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 2: gets beat up. But it'd be a fight where you

2107
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 2: would you would want ship to go sideways. You don't

2108
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 2: really want Jones to steepey.

2109
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 1: I want to see you on the ground. I have

2110
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 1: no doubt that Aspinall would beat Poeton, but he take

2111
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 1: he gets hit on the feet, he takes risks on

2112
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 1: the feet. And if we're talking about just a backup

2113
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:33,560
Speaker 1: scenario anyway, yeah, you want to do that.

2114
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 2: Oh so you're pitching that you would do See, I'm

2115
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 2: still confused. I'm still a step behind you. You're pitching

2116
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:40,680
Speaker 2: that would put Poton in there as the backup two

2117
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 2: fight Aspitall. I was pitching that if one of Jones

2118
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 2: or Steepe fell out, would they agree to But would

2119
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 2: you want someone to try to make history in that

2120
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 2: type of setting or is that the only I mean.

2121
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 1: So would the UFC go because the UFC is already

2122
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 1: declared or the Stanon White has declared that Aspinall is

2123
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 1: the official backup? Could you pull the switcheroo, be like, Okay, no,

2124
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 1: it's actually not aspenall. It's actually gonna be pooton.

2125
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 2: People would want that fight five times more than they

2126
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:10,879
Speaker 2: want Jones Steve, so they could pull the switcheroo.

2127
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: Yes, that would be a monster switchero. Okay, you could

2128
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 1: do that if they would be willing to fight on

2129
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: the aspinal.

2130
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,759
Speaker 2: Again, that's all of our scenarios are aspiral.

2131
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying you probably have to do aspinall

2132
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 1: versus Poeton. I think you again, if he gets out

2133
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 1: of the Round Tree fight relatively unscathed, which I'm not

2134
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 1: suggesting he will, who the hell knows, But if he does,

2135
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 1: I think that's your move. I think that's your move

2136
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 1: because I'm telling you, what's the worst thing that could

2137
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 1: fucking happen. Steep A tears his knee, being old as

2138
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 1: shit walking like Cornelius from Planet of the Apes, and

2139
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 1: he's not fucking ready have that fight at the ready?

2140
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 1: Are you shitting me?

2141
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 2: Monstrous?

2142
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 1: Are you shitting me?

2143
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 2: I would be fired there. Come on, I want a

2144
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 2: little crazy.

2145
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:55,760
Speaker 1: If Roundtree wins, everything gets torn to pieces, yes, including

2146
01:32:56,600 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 1: a DDP showdown, including again, any potential Heavyweight showdown like

2147
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 1: it fucks up everything and then on Calia is gonna

2148
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 1: be like where am I of this?

2149
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 2: Speaking of Switcher Ruse, this takes us to the co

2150
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 2: main event this weekend, the women's bandam weight title bout

2151
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:18,599
Speaker 2: Rocky Pennington. Is that is happeninging back from two years

2152
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 2: in the in the one sided.

2153
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 1: Loss she fought the same night that Danny Garcia beat Benevetez,

2154
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 1: the brother of benevite I was there that night.

2155
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 2: Shouldn't look Kayla's gonna Kayla Harrison is going to weigh

2156
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 2: in as the potential title backup. She's also has a

2157
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 2: fight in the card against Kaitlyn Vieira. Shouldn't they just

2158
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 2: fix the glitch? And like, I just feel like it

2159
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 2: tell me if I'm if I'm over over micromanaging in

2160
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 2: a pro wrestling sense the matchmaking here. I would love

2161
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 2: for Kayla to have fought Pennington in this fight and

2162
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 2: then if she wins a championship her first defense. Paenya's

2163
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 2: right there ready, I agree? So do I say Pennington?

2164
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 2: So Pennington would fight if Caleb beats Pennington, Juliana Pinya

2165
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 2: is the perfect first title defense.

2166
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:00,679
Speaker 1: Like the I agree. I agree either that I would

2167
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 1: have preferred to see that this way. I don't hate

2168
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: the way that they did it, because I do think

2169
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 1: Harrison is likely to beat Vierira, and I do think

2170
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 1: that Painia has a good shot. I think that the

2171
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: last I saw in the odds, Hey, you're a fucking

2172
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 1: degenerate piece of shit.

2173
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,719
Speaker 2: What's one of the odds on this degenerate?

2174
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 3: And Rocky is like minus one seventy five and Pena's

2175
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 3: plus one sixty ish.

2176
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 1: It's about right, right, don't you think? I mean, she's

2177
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:25,679
Speaker 1: been eking out some wins.

2178
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 2: This not only could this fight be gross, we have

2179
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 2: no idea really what to expect. Penny's been out for

2180
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 2: so long. I know she's always game.

2181
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:34,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember when she fought Silva Bueno Silva how long.

2182
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:36,560
Speaker 3: I can't believe one of Silva colch It was on

2183
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 3: the Strickland DDP two ninety seven in January.

2184
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 1: So was this year.

2185
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 2: I can't believe one o Silva guessed out in the

2186
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 2: second round against Pennington in that title fight.

2187
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:44,759
Speaker 1: Good lord.

2188
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:46,640
Speaker 2: My whole point is this, You're only going to get

2189
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 2: a certain You're probably only going to get a certain

2190
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 2: amount of times that Kayla Harrison can cut down and

2191
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 2: be in top form at this weight, right, I just

2192
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 2: feel like it's a little bit of a waste. But

2193
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 2: for my want to be true, Luke, wouldn't it be

2194
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 2: true that they would have to look at has she

2195
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 2: earned that? Hashi earned in your eyes, the ability to

2196
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 2: come in off of one win against Holly Holm, by

2197
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 2: the way, but like one big win in Jet right

2198
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 2: to the title shot. Wouldn't she have earned that with

2199
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 2: what she's accomplished outside Kayla Harrison?

2200
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I agree.

2201
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 2: I think I think there was no depth in this

2202
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:14,560
Speaker 2: division and there's no disrestrict of painia. She's probably the

2203
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 2: only draw there.

2204
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 1: Right, Maybe is the argument that you have seen wants

2205
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 1: more time to build up Kayla because they feel like

2206
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: she's inevitable and so let's just wait and see how

2207
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 1: it goes. You know, the best juda cut American history,

2208
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 1: male or female?

2209
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:27,599
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, that's could it be the weight cut

2210
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 3: and they were nervous she wouldn't make championship?

2211
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:31,640
Speaker 1: Wait? Yeah, but if you felt nervous about the way,

2212
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't you fast track the title shots because it's longer

2213
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 1: you have to wait for her to make it, all right.

2214
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 2: Well in the fight the Pennington to say, to say

2215
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 2: something very nice about her, You don't finish her. And

2216
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 2: she's consistent. It's not flashy, it's not incredible, but there's

2217
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 2: a consistent offensive flow. She's physical. Can she do this

2218
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:55,640
Speaker 2: against paina you know.

2219
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 1: What it does. So I made this point. I talked

2220
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:04,560
Speaker 1: to Submission Radio about this. There is so much like

2221
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 1: just dumb fuck misogyny in the sport. Yeah, but it's

2222
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 1: not an unfair opinion that women's MMA has fucking declined.

2223
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:14,799
Speaker 1: It's declined.

2224
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 2: It's just there's still great fights and great fighters. But yes,

2225
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 2: the depth of great fighters has declined.

2226
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: And the rivalries, I mean a few are few and

2227
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 1: far between. Like it's just so it feels stagnant to

2228
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 1: me in large part. However, if you're going to be

2229
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,680
Speaker 1: fair to Raquel Pennington, remember she didn't want to come

2230
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:34,639
Speaker 1: out for the fifth round against Amanda Unaz. Her corner

2231
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 1: kind of cajoled her into it. She got beat up,

2232
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 1: then she got in that terrible, I think four wheeling accident.

2233
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 1: By her own admission, she had like this insanely awful

2234
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 1: bout with COVID. She was never supposed to be back

2235
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 1: in this position and the fact that she got here

2236
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:50,560
Speaker 1: is actually like low key pretty impressive and remarkable. But

2237
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 1: the thing I think that's holding her up and the

2238
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 1: reason why we're not like super jazzed about this, is

2239
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 1: that there's nothing about her game that is transcendent where

2240
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, the era of Pennington, she was

2241
01:36:58,240 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 1: so good at this.

2242
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 2: Her title win was to watch. Come on, there was

2243
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:01,759
Speaker 2: a war of attrition.

2244
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 1: She nicol and dimes her ways to these wins. And

2245
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,560
Speaker 1: that's not nothing like that's fucking hard to do, but

2246
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 1: it just doesn't inspire a ton of confidence. So I

2247
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 1: actually feel like Penya's got a real opportunity here. She

2248
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 1: fights walls out, which means she can either run you

2249
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 1: over or she can get run over. It's kind of

2250
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 1: the game she plays.

2251
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 2: Does she have the chin to take Pennington's consistent boxing,

2252
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 2: because Painya does defense is not there.

2253
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:24,720
Speaker 1: I mean, move ahead, okay, but she had the chin

2254
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 1: to last against Amanda Nunas, and Amanda Unas can fucking

2255
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 1: crack as we know, so like, she can.

2256
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:32,880
Speaker 2: Go the distance. Can she outwork Pennington on the feet?

2257
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 1: On the feet, I don't know. On the ground, yes,

2258
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 1: on the ground, for sure, she can do that, but

2259
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 1: you're not two years off, Like where is she at

2260
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 1: this point? That's what I mean, Like it just doesn't

2261
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 1: inspire a ton of confidence either way. But I will

2262
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 1: say this, if Panya gets a good win and Harrison

2263
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 1: has a good call out and looks good against Vienna,

2264
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 1: I would be interested in that. I don't think there's

2265
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 1: a lot of like mystery about how that fight would

2266
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 1: go necessarily, but it would be interesting to me for

2267
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 1: that showdown to ultimately occur. But again, we're at this

2268
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 1: place with this card where it's like I don't think,

2269
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 1: I mean, this fight is not great or bad. It's

2270
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:10,639
Speaker 1: just a fight. It's fine. I suppose.

2271
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 2: I just wish Kayla could fight the winner of the

2272
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 2: main event tonight, like the same night.

2273
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 1: Later in the four woman turney on a night that

2274
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 1: would get me excited.

2275
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's that's probably being insensitive, but it's

2276
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:22,560
Speaker 2: also like, let's get to the point where we have

2277
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 2: the best fighting the best in this division. And that's

2278
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 2: the only disrespect I think I have ever had toward Painting,

2279
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:31,120
Speaker 2: Like I don't disrespect her journey, but it wasn't an

2280
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 2: all inspiring victory, you know, or an on spine performance

2281
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 2: on the other side by Buenos Silva either. But there's

2282
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 2: a big fight. Let's see if she can do it.

2283
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 2: But Kayla's coming. Will Kayla run through Vienna?

2284
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:42,639
Speaker 1: She should? I don't know if she will. She should, Okay,

2285
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 1: the fact I will say that giving her elbows on

2286
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,640
Speaker 1: the ground transforms her ground to pound. It makes it

2287
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 1: much better. And obviously at one thirty five, assuming she

2288
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 1: can make the weight without too much complication, she's a

2289
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 1: fucking brick shit house.

2290
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:58,080
Speaker 2: Like aspiring on Instagram's.

2291
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 1: I had her in studio a couple of times when

2292
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:02,560
Speaker 1: she was like just normally walking around. It's hard to

2293
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 1: overstate how naturally muscular. Yes, she is a she she

2294
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:09,799
Speaker 1: is a generational athlete.

2295
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's some like Lesnar qualities to her.

2296
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:15,640
Speaker 1: She's a generational athlete. All right, BC, you have they

2297
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 1: finally put him on the main card. There was some

2298
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 1: obviously some injuries and so that's why. But Jose Aldo

2299
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,000
Speaker 1: taking on Mario Bautista. Let me be clear about this.

2300
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 2: It's not on the main card to begin with.

2301
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, but listen, better late

2302
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:28,840
Speaker 1: than never. Yes, they finally got it on there. Jose

2303
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 1: Aldo sitting at ten, Bautista sitting at eleven, sneaky win

2304
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 1: streak super in both directions, while in good return. I

2305
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 1: should say for Jose Aldo, this is a tough ass fight.

2306
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:40,400
Speaker 1: If Bautista wins, it's a great win for him. The

2307
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 1: question is not that. The question is not, hey, what

2308
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 1: happens if Bautista wins, because he's obviously gonna shoot up

2309
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:46,560
Speaker 1: the rankings a little bit. He's certainly going to be

2310
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 1: inside the top ten, and there's any number of people

2311
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 1: he could fight afterwards. The question is if Jose Aldo wins,

2312
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 1: what do you do with him? Is he a sneaky

2313
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:56,160
Speaker 1: title contemper?

2314
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:58,559
Speaker 2: Always good When you're at that point, you're always going

2315
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 2: to be one big win away from being acceptable as

2316
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 2: the next title challenger, for better or worse. Remember one

2317
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:08,080
Speaker 2: Frank Edgar got the Holloway title shot. Yep, Like that

2318
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 2: was kind of a reach too. He's kind of in

2319
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 2: that period where you could get that, which is kind

2320
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 2: of why I didn't love this fight. But if you

2321
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:17,720
Speaker 2: frame it the way you just did, is it more

2322
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 2: important for Jose to go through young, hungry lions like

2323
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:23,599
Speaker 2: this rather than other aging names If he could get

2324
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 2: a big win and catapult back in. Yeah, Luke, he

2325
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 2: could catapult back in and be a perfect B side.

2326
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 2: Imagine if you took a champion, mate, if you took Morob.

2327
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to see Morob Jose again, but imagine

2328
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 2: if he took a champion to Brazil with with Jose

2329
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 2: as the B side there, you can still do stuff

2330
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:41,120
Speaker 2: like that. But can he get this win is the

2331
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 2: big question, Luke. Is he gonna get buzz sawed in this?

2332
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 2: What are your expectations?

2333
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a battle. I think Bautista has higher

2334
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 1: amount of volume, but he's just dealing with a guy

2335
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:55,639
Speaker 1: who is stubborn, stubborn, clever, as experienced as any fighter

2336
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 1: you'll ever.

2337
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 2: Come across, in great shape all the time.

2338
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 1: A remarkable. His ability to to get one thirty five.

2339
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure about it when he did it, and

2340
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:03,519
Speaker 1: he's been able to do it very so. I mean,

2341
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 1: Aldo is fucking tough, tough, and.

2342
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:07,880
Speaker 2: I don't put him in the upper room and people

2343
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:08,600
Speaker 2: kill me for it.

2344
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 1: But the fact that he's got this longevity even you

2345
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 1: have to be like, it's it's ridiculous.

2346
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come aroun, I'm gonna make a chair for him.

2347
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 1: In the opera. Kaitlyn Vieira is back. She's gonna be

2348
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 1: taking on as you mentioned, Kayla Harrison. Harrison coming off

2349
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 1: two wins in a row, the last one she had

2350
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 1: against Aspen Ladden in PFL and then she just fucking

2351
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:27,679
Speaker 1: demolished Holly Holm in her debut at UFC three hundred.

2352
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:29,920
Speaker 1: You know you don't want to put too much ma

2353
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,720
Speaker 1: math Raquel Pennington has to win over Vieia, which kind

2354
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 1: of tells you how any potential matchup might go. Assuming

2355
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 1: that Harrison wins here, she's a heavy favorite relatively speaking.

2356
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:41,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say about it.

2357
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 2: I hope she can do it quick for her sake,

2358
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 2: and then let's get her ready to fight the winner

2359
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:44,599
Speaker 2: of the main event.

2360
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 1: The find I care about the most on this card

2361
01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 1: is on the prelim Stephen Thompson versus Jaquem Buckley. How

2362
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:51,200
Speaker 1: are you betting this one? Ossie rules Luke.

2363
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 3: I haven't put a bet in on this yet, but

2364
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 3: I hate to say it because I normally fade Jaquim Buckley.

2365
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:58,640
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna take Joaquing because I just think

2366
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 3: he's more well round it. He's probably gonna to take

2367
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 3: wonder Boy. If he's smart, I'll take WonderBoy down and

2368
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 3: just wrestling.

2369
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:05,240
Speaker 1: For wonder Boy forty two years of age. His last

2370
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 1: three Losseslal, Gilbert Burns and Shavcot. Can Walking Buckley do

2371
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,280
Speaker 1: something similar to those guys? Those are three very good fight.

2372
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 2: It's a big step up for him. But you are

2373
01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:18,880
Speaker 2: catching the wonder Boy at the right forty two Yeah,

2374
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:22,519
Speaker 2: I lean Buckley here. I hope wonder Boy doesn't get shunned.

2375
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 1: I will say, you know, of all the fights on

2376
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:25,839
Speaker 1: this card, that's my favorite.

2377
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 2: Really. I love the lead day against Kevin Holland. I

2378
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 2: don't care about how back Oh come on, that's that's

2379
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:33,120
Speaker 2: that's could be the best fight on the card terms

2380
01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 2: of just kind of breaking out into great as the worst.

2381
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 2: I'm realizing I care more about fights on this car,

2382
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 2: But like I said, I care about him in a

2383
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:39,479
Speaker 2: fight night level.

2384
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 1: Actually, the problem is there's just there's two problems. There's

2385
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 1: not much star power. Yes, Polton's got some, but it's

2386
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 1: not it's not multidirections. And you've got fights that are

2387
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 1: like good, but they're not fights that were like that.

2388
01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:52,839
Speaker 1: One has to happen for that division at this time.

2389
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,200
Speaker 2: Carlos Barso's retirement fight against T Shirt Pennington.

2390
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 1: I mean, could you care? I could not possibly care less.

2391
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 2: I kind of long island. Look how degenerate are you?

2392
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 2: I kind of care about that.

2393
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: Nothing against Carla, but if I gonna be honest with

2394
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:08,800
Speaker 1: you in the audience, like, am I thinking about that

2395
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 1: at all? I'm not thinking about that even.

2396
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a weird I was telling Rafe about that.

2397
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 2: I had a weird when when Danny Garcia got old

2398
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 2: and that Laura fight and obviously he should step away.

2399
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 2: It kind of felt like when Danny Garcia was coming

2400
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 2: up and on top like that was one of my

2401
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:24,000
Speaker 2: favorite periods to be a boxing journalist, slash fan. Right,

2402
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:26,040
Speaker 2: it was just fun boxing. Twitter was on fire. It

2403
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:28,960
Speaker 2: was a great time. Now I'm seeing a sparsa who

2404
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:31,040
Speaker 2: it just happened to be the first MMA fight I

2405
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 2: covered in person was as far as Anama unis one

2406
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 2: in that tough finale night when I see them go

2407
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 2: all the way through the cycle, I mean, she's won

2408
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 2: two championships, she had a great career, but now it's

2409
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 2: going to come to an end.

2410
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 1: Loop.

2411
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:44,400
Speaker 2: Do you feel like a part of you not dies inside,

2412
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 2: but you realize how old you are, and when generations

2413
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 2: cross over and change like that, there's always a little

2414
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:50,920
Speaker 2: bit of a lament, you know.

2415
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:52,479
Speaker 1: No, I had one the other day, like what I

2416
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:55,679
Speaker 1: was reading about. I was researching this, Like Victor Ortiz

2417
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 1: fought Lloyd in twenty eleven. I think I had to

2418
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:01,400
Speaker 1: live blog that fight. You know, things were going well

2419
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 1: when I first signed up on Morning Combat. If I

2420
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:04,639
Speaker 1: told you where I was going to be, if things

2421
01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 1: had kept going, I think I would have been where

2422
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 1: I thought i'd be in twenty eleven. But then, you know,

2423
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:14,439
Speaker 1: our world collapse and so you know the fact that

2424
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:16,120
Speaker 1: I f I was like twelve or thirteen years ago

2425
01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 1: was like it was real humbling.

2426
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:21,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're old, we're old pos Is, but we're

2427
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 2: still going. Look we're still going.

2428
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:23,559
Speaker 1: We are still going.

2429
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 2: We can even vote for us. By the way, right

2430
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:26,920
Speaker 2: they can vote. They can probably vote for us.

2431
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:28,600
Speaker 1: It's probably an we should remind them. Yeah, it's a

2432
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 1: good point.

2433
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 2: The final day of vote, the day I think.

2434
01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 1: Is the last day you can go to World Emmy

2435
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:34,040
Speaker 1: Awards dot com. I don't even know we have a

2436
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:34,760
Speaker 1: lower third for that.

2437
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:35,680
Speaker 2: Do we deserve it?

2438
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:39,720
Speaker 1: Louka, Well, here's the thing deserving and got shit to do. Wow,

2439
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 1: that's the point. So it's just a matter of who

2440
01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:43,639
Speaker 1: can rack up the most votes. We did not really

2441
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 1: promote it, so I don't expect that we'll get a win,

2442
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:48,280
Speaker 1: but if people would be so. I did vote yesterday,

2443
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:51,720
Speaker 1: I finally vote for Who did I vote for? I

2444
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:54,639
Speaker 1: don't know if I voted for him or no? Yes

2445
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:57,120
Speaker 1: I did, Yes I did, Yes I did, And I

2446
01:44:57,120 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 1: don't remember who also I voted for, But I did

2447
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:01,720
Speaker 1: vote for us. And you know, there's some other good

2448
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 1: shows that had some great years. This wasn't our best

2449
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,040
Speaker 1: year for sure. It started out great. Twenty three started

2450
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 1: out really strong, but it's twenty four, Lou, I know,

2451
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 1: I know what I'm saying. It moved into dark period

2452
01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 1: that we've kind of now only now we're starting to

2453
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: like kind of wave the smoke away from here a

2454
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 1: little bit.

2455
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:17,280
Speaker 2: So smoke.

2456
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been. Yeah, we've been choking on all that

2457
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 1: the debris that has fallen on us. But listen, man,

2458
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:25,360
Speaker 1: it would be all fucking would make me feel better.

2459
01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 1: I can say that it would make me feel a lot.

2460
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 2: Better as as did he said voter die Luke, He

2461
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 2: said a lot of other things. Somebody get the lube. Yes, yes,

2462
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 2: you know.

2463
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:38,960
Speaker 1: How long baby oil lasts?

2464
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 2: Well, what do you think about people say, wake up,

2465
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 2: it's not baby boil, it's GHB bottles of mix.

2466
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:47,760
Speaker 1: But that wouldn't surprise me, and that wouldn't would that

2467
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 1: surprise you?

2468
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:51,400
Speaker 2: That it's like thousand of them bullshit, a thousand.

2469
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 1: Of them, everyone walking around looking like moo dang.

2470
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 2: Do you see a lawyer trying to explain it away?

2471
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 2: It was really weak.

2472
01:45:57,439 --> 01:45:59,559
Speaker 1: Who is the dirt bag that's getting paid by him?

2473
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 1: There's I mean, you know, how much money if you

2474
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:05,280
Speaker 1: if you had a law degree right that was McCracken

2475
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 1: and you had you were you had you had passed

2476
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 1: the bar, you know the whole thing. How much money

2477
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 1: for you to defend Diddy? Serious question? How much money?

2478
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:14,960
Speaker 2: But am I one of those people who just believe

2479
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 2: that everybody deserves the chance?

2480
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,560
Speaker 1: Yes, there are people who are like public defenders and

2481
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 1: everyone deserves a defense before the court. There is that

2482
01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:25,760
Speaker 1: is the worst murderers. They're just like they have constitutional rights.

2483
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:27,479
Speaker 2: Yes, you know so, Yes, I don't know if i'd

2484
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:31,559
Speaker 2: be that kind of lawyer. I don't know, I don't

2485
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. I try not to be in situations

2486
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 2: where I can be bought.

2487
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:36,679
Speaker 1: Luke's like pro bono.

2488
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:41,360
Speaker 2: But we'll see what happened pro boxing, right, I'm pro boner. Yes,

2489
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:43,680
Speaker 2: that is for sure, all right?

2490
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 1: Would that in mind? You see anything else on this

2491
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:46,439
Speaker 1: card of No, there are some.

2492
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:48,840
Speaker 2: Other interesting I think we hited Influke.

2493
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan Span versus Ovid Saint Prue.

2494
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:51,599
Speaker 2: It's not interesting.

2495
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:55,080
Speaker 1: I just don't care. I just don't care. So here

2496
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:56,760
Speaker 1: we hit what matters, and of course that'll be in

2497
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:59,599
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City, Utah, OBC. With that out of the way,

2498
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't think we have any reads today. We are

2499
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 1: we are in the DraftKings Network at five eight pm

2500
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 1: because it's football season. By the way, by the way,

2501
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:12,920
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, Jaden Daniels not only putting up Rookie of

2502
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 1: the Year numbers, but through four games, putting up MVP numbers.

2503
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:22,440
Speaker 2: Hey slawyer role, what's the record of the Redskins.

2504
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 1: One their first place in the NC Yeah, back to

2505
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 1: back games, they basically put up forty forty two yesterday.

2506
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:32,240
Speaker 1: Jaden fucking Daniels is a motherfucking playmaker. Terry mclaurin's a

2507
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 1: motherfucking playmaker.

2508
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:35,719
Speaker 2: I can tell you that what what when you predict

2509
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 2: their implosion this season?

2510
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:39,599
Speaker 1: What would be the cause injury to Jaden Daniels.

2511
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 2: Not Daniel Snyder.

2512
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 1: He's gone. He's gone. That's it. He's living in London,

2513
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:46,400
Speaker 1: wherever the fuck he's going.

2514
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:53,559
Speaker 2: We work with his his nephew, that Snyder. I gotta face.

2515
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, probably saying his name is not

2516
01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:00,360
Speaker 1: the part that he cared about the most. All right,

2517
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 1: you see with that in time of mine, it's time

2518
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:03,960
Speaker 1: for the fans. You have to ask us question. It's

2519
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,599
Speaker 1: time for dms from donks. Well, we got to move

2520
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 1: this along too, shit, I was how late?

2521
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:08,240
Speaker 2: It was?

2522
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:11,760
Speaker 1: All right? Just put it on the screen. I'll try

2523
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 1: to read with my blind ass here from oh so,

2524
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 1: I'll doco whatever can France become a global MMA powerhouse

2525
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:23,040
Speaker 1: like Russia, USA and Brazil NBC? The answer I think

2526
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 1: is yes, you think so?

2527
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:26,479
Speaker 2: They Well they have the depth though, so dude.

2528
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:28,920
Speaker 1: I read this book. You can get it on Amazon.

2529
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:31,559
Speaker 1: It's called Falling Hard. It's about a guy who enters

2530
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:33,280
Speaker 1: the world of judo, but he tells not only his

2531
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:35,680
Speaker 1: story through judo, but the story of the spread and

2532
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 1: formation of judo. And one thing you come away with

2533
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 1: after you read this book is like, how fucking insanely

2534
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 1: good the French are at judo? They have Obviously they're

2535
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 1: not really all they're great at wrestling, but you know,

2536
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:48,960
Speaker 1: we know that they can counteract that. They can, they can,

2537
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:51,120
Speaker 1: they can work up to it. Obviously there's pen socks

2538
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:53,360
Speaker 1: a lot, which is like a whole other style of striking.

2539
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:55,920
Speaker 1: Like the French, dude are fucking awesome. And I really

2540
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:58,280
Speaker 1: think that there. And it's a you know, advanced economy.

2541
01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:01,320
Speaker 1: They can afford moness, train man bases, hungry hungry dude.

2542
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 1: If a PFL show can look good there, Yeah, I

2543
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 1: mean that's saying something.

2544
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 2: I think we'll see when Do you think it's twice

2545
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:08,800
Speaker 2: a year for the UFC in Paris?

2546
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:12,960
Speaker 1: Seems that way? Yeah, I mean Russia, you know, USA, Brazil,

2547
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:15,280
Speaker 1: those these are hard markets to replicate. We can it

2548
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 1: be a big time dominant player.

2549
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:19,400
Speaker 2: Yes, well, we see a UFC card on Russian soil.

2550
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:22,800
Speaker 1: We saw the We saw the Belatore show in Russian soil?

2551
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 2: Right, will we see a uf UFC one.

2552
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:27,560
Speaker 1: Was there too? Not anytime soon? There might be like

2553
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 1: inability to Treasury sanctions that right, right, But if Trump

2554
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:33,680
Speaker 1: gets elected, who to say, like, I don't know, is

2555
01:49:34,240 --> 01:49:39,400
Speaker 1: all right? Next PlayStation shav What period was better for

2556
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:42,679
Speaker 1: the UFC two thousand and seven and nine or twenty

2557
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:45,679
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty seventeen. I feel like the UFC was firing

2558
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:47,720
Speaker 1: all cylinders back into seven or nine, so that was

2559
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 1: an underrated dominant period. But nothing is quite like twenty fifty.

2560
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:52,680
Speaker 2: I think there's a better argument, because you know, I

2561
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:54,680
Speaker 2: think the best era is the Reebok era, the rise

2562
01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:57,840
Speaker 2: of McGregor that whole stretch fourteen fifteen into the sale.

2563
01:49:58,160 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 2: I think that's when end sixteen sixteen. But the thing

2564
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:04,120
Speaker 2: that the seven to nine had, we had lesnar right,

2565
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:08,200
Speaker 2: so you certainly had that, but you had competition in

2566
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 2: the industry still, and there was.

2567
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 1: That Pride collapse seven.

2568
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:15,479
Speaker 2: So Pride is dead, but the offshoots of who's left

2569
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:18,880
Speaker 2: and who has power, strikeforce legit. During that time, there's

2570
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:21,280
Speaker 2: still was a I don't know, there was still was

2571
01:50:21,439 --> 01:50:24,200
Speaker 2: like this. There was still this fan culture of like

2572
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:26,240
Speaker 2: in media culture too, of like we need to all

2573
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 2: work together and get MMA to this next level, and

2574
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 2: by proxy that is you know, UFC in the leading position,

2575
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:35,160
Speaker 2: but the competition made it a much more fun era.

2576
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:39,160
Speaker 2: I don't think the fights ultimately were better than comparing

2577
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 2: it to the Reebok era, the McGregor era, and there

2578
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:44,439
Speaker 2: was a McGregor magic. It's never been equal to really

2579
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:47,719
Speaker 2: in modern combat sports. Really it's it's a unique magic

2580
01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:50,760
Speaker 2: all into itself. But I think you can make an

2581
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 2: argument for that seven to nine.

2582
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:54,320
Speaker 1: I'll just say this, those are the two best periods.

2583
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:57,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's more than TSP.

2584
01:50:57,560 --> 01:51:00,639
Speaker 1: Still the air, that's right, And again les are coming around.

2585
01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:03,320
Speaker 1: Sure for UFC, this is basically UFC one hundred, UFC

2586
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:07,320
Speaker 1: two hundred, those sort of two pronounced periods. The UFC

2587
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:08,639
Speaker 1: was great in both of them, for sure.

2588
01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:11,400
Speaker 2: Both made huge legions of fans. Most of those fans

2589
01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:13,559
Speaker 2: are all gone, gone, absolutely all gone.

2590
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:17,599
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, let's see what's next. From sticks plays,

2591
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:21,639
Speaker 1: time putting aside, MMA athletes utter refusal to form a union.

2592
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 1: What is your ideal fair contract for fighters in the UFC?

2593
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:26,599
Speaker 1: I don't know how to answer that one.

2594
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:30,640
Speaker 2: Would you like medical benefits or is that too like?

2595
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:31,960
Speaker 2: Is that a realistic option?

2596
01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:34,559
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of people often ask me, like, hey,

2597
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:36,560
Speaker 1: what's the optimum way to set up the industry, and

2598
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:39,360
Speaker 1: I don't think of it in those terms ever. I

2599
01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:42,120
Speaker 1: think of it as I just want a reasonably fair

2600
01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:45,640
Speaker 1: system that can offer fights reasonably consistently.

2601
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:47,680
Speaker 2: If you want a fair market where the fighters have

2602
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:50,240
Speaker 2: the control to test free agency into that's.

2603
01:51:50,160 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 1: Right, and to be able to you know, do they

2604
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 1: need as much in boxing like eighty percent? That might

2605
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:55,960
Speaker 1: be too much? You know, there's an argument to be

2606
01:51:56,040 --> 01:51:58,000
Speaker 1: made in that way. But I don't think of it

2607
01:51:58,040 --> 01:52:00,800
Speaker 1: as like optimal terms. Think of it is I just

2608
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:03,400
Speaker 1: need to be fair enough and consistent enough. That's it.

2609
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:05,240
Speaker 1: I don't need anything else, And there's a lot of

2610
01:52:05,240 --> 01:52:06,160
Speaker 1: different ways to get there.

2611
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:09,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if the fighters really really care, but

2612
01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:10,400
Speaker 2: I want to see them in a spot where they

2613
01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:12,400
Speaker 2: don't have to have full time jobs outside of it.

2614
01:52:12,479 --> 01:52:14,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just don't want them door dashing, that's right.

2615
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could change either way.

2616
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:23,599
Speaker 1: All right? Next? Uh dj C one two three? If

2617
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:24,680
Speaker 1: BC went to the Big E.

2618
01:52:25,240 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 2: So the Big E is like New England State Fair

2619
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 2: every year in southern Massachusetts.

2620
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:32,320
Speaker 1: Okay, what are his top three foods? And how would

2621
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 1: Dana White somehow make that about John Joe?

2622
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:36,800
Speaker 2: That's funny top three foods is big ee. So I

2623
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 2: had one time the the the meat stick, the slim

2624
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:47,240
Speaker 2: Jim cock and balls slim Jym covered in chocolate. That

2625
01:52:48,200 --> 01:52:51,200
Speaker 2: is the greatest and most heinous thing I've ever eaten,

2626
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:54,479
Speaker 2: and it was glorious. Outside of that, you can get

2627
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:57,439
Speaker 2: the typical State Fair food obviously be different in different areas,

2628
01:52:57,520 --> 01:52:59,640
Speaker 2: but do I have a favorite? I mean, you know,

2629
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:01,760
Speaker 2: can you go wrong with the fried dough with the

2630
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:03,599
Speaker 2: red sauce on it? You gotta get the red sauce

2631
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:06,080
Speaker 2: like strawberry O the MARINERA.

2632
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:10,880
Speaker 1: Oh oh you mean savory not sweet? R Yeah, you

2633
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:11,479
Speaker 1: mean yes.

2634
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:13,960
Speaker 2: I don't live my life under those terms, but yes,

2635
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:14,840
Speaker 2: they'll give me the give.

2636
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:16,320
Speaker 1: Me so one would be sweet and one would be

2637
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:17,599
Speaker 1: salty savory versus sweet.

2638
01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:18,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, get the premise.

2639
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:22,679
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I don't go to fairs because

2640
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:23,559
Speaker 1: I'm not dubbed tea.

2641
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:27,280
Speaker 2: But oh I missed it. The when they make a

2642
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:29,760
Speaker 2: when when they take a whole Thanksgiving meal and then

2643
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:31,720
Speaker 2: they roll it up in a wrap or they put

2644
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:33,200
Speaker 2: it in a sandwich. Do you know what I'm talking about?

2645
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the Renaissance Festival and how it's

2646
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:38,439
Speaker 1: the worst stupidest thing on earth. Put the can't put

2647
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:40,720
Speaker 1: the camera on me again. If you go to the

2648
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:43,960
Speaker 1: Renaissance Festival, it's a guarantee you have lice. It's a

2649
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:46,639
Speaker 1: guarantee you have LCE. I think that's fair.

2650
01:53:47,439 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 2: State Fair food is incredible. If I can get the

2651
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:51,880
Speaker 2: turkey roll up thing, I'm in come on, I'll get that.

2652
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:56,799
Speaker 1: But the Renaissance Festival I just don't get because everyone

2653
01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:00,960
Speaker 1: fucking stinks. Yeah, there's just abortion and the shitter, I mean,

2654
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:05,760
Speaker 1: blood and urine. There's a lot of there's a lot

2655
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:07,519
Speaker 1: of like what is so cool about it? It's like

2656
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:09,400
Speaker 1: I get to eat a gross turkey leg that's not

2657
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:12,240
Speaker 1: cooked very well. I get to stand in line with

2658
01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:14,800
Speaker 1: other people who have lice, and there's like.

2659
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:16,920
Speaker 2: A progressive rock band playing in the corner, and.

2660
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:19,320
Speaker 1: I like, what is the appeal? What is the appeal?

2661
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:20,840
Speaker 2: It's not my cup of tea. But I've been to

2662
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:22,760
Speaker 2: many Luke and I regret every single year.

2663
01:54:23,240 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 1: My wife wants to go to them so bad, and

2664
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is this is the worst of humanity.

2665
01:54:29,320 --> 01:54:31,400
Speaker 2: Let me say, honey, let me take you to Newark

2666
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:35,400
Speaker 2: pen first. Okay, then let's see if Yeah.

2667
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:38,160
Speaker 1: I will say this, I do like going to street

2668
01:54:38,240 --> 01:54:41,080
Speaker 1: festivals in DC because they close down Constitution or Pennsylvania

2669
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:42,760
Speaker 1: Avenue and you can kind of it's amazing to have

2670
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 1: like all that space with food traffic. I went to

2671
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 1: the Latino Festival over the weekends. Oh yeah, it's not

2672
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:49,280
Speaker 1: a good one.

2673
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 2: Colombian representation.

2674
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:53,520
Speaker 1: Nah, it's not really, there's not many Colombians there. I

2675
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:56,400
Speaker 1: will just say this, if even my wife is complaining

2676
01:54:56,400 --> 01:54:58,760
Speaker 1: about how loud it is, it's probably too fucking loud.

2677
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:01,920
Speaker 1: They did have the world uh boy, listened the Guinness

2678
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:04,640
Speaker 1: Book World Record for the giant papoosa, the biggest papoosa

2679
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:07,960
Speaker 1: ever made, which is fucking amazing. You never had a papoosa?

2680
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:11,640
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of, you know, the sleeve of Wizard, you know,

2681
01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:13,800
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of, well, yeah, sorry, I was thinking of.

2682
01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:16,240
Speaker 1: Boos is like a cake they put like they put

2683
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:18,240
Speaker 1: like cheese and beans and stuff, and it's fucking awesome.

2684
01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:21,600
Speaker 1: Uh s. Salvad Orean's delicious. I will say the best

2685
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:24,600
Speaker 1: one I've been to on that space Chinese Culture Festival.

2686
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:26,240
Speaker 2: Oh, I would like that food.

2687
01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:28,800
Speaker 1: Was amazing, really well run, tons of vendors.

2688
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:29,160
Speaker 2: Dude.

2689
01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:30,160
Speaker 1: That the one I go to what they call it

2690
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:33,480
Speaker 1: Fiesta DC. There's always long fucking lines, bro, there's always

2691
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:37,000
Speaker 1: long fucking lines. It's like, get your shit together, y'all.

2692
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:39,120
Speaker 2: You're really disappointed about that fact.

2693
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:39,520
Speaker 3: I was.

2694
01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:41,040
Speaker 1: I go every year, and every year it's like the

2695
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:43,040
Speaker 1: lines are long, there's not many vendors, and it's like,

2696
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:44,320
Speaker 1: what the fuck? All right, last one?

2697
01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:46,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm about to get my shit together over here.

2698
01:55:46,680 --> 01:55:50,480
Speaker 1: Katie ports Uh, what's your favorite holiday and why? And

2699
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:52,240
Speaker 1: can I then we've done this before? Thanks and can

2700
01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:53,880
Speaker 1: we get a high court debate on this topic? The

2701
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:54,680
Speaker 1: answer is Christmas?

2702
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:57,800
Speaker 2: The answer Thanksgiving is the answer. For people who are cheap,

2703
01:55:58,600 --> 01:56:00,800
Speaker 2: I'm cheap. Thanksgiving is the best holiday? Bye fun?

2704
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:03,240
Speaker 1: Sorry, what am I saying? Thanks Thanksgiving the answer, Yes,

2705
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:04,760
Speaker 1: for people who are cheap, I'm cheap.

2706
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm cheap. I share my love.

2707
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:09,200
Speaker 1: I do think that the Thanksgiving part of it, where

2708
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:11,640
Speaker 1: you make food for other people, is special. I do

2709
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:16,680
Speaker 1: agree with that. But Christmas is so clearly the better holiday. No,

2710
01:56:16,920 --> 01:56:19,480
Speaker 1: you get time off, it's close to New Year's, the

2711
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:23,320
Speaker 1: decorations are better, the food is better. Thanksgiving food for

2712
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:27,720
Speaker 1: most Americans just raccoons eating cigarette butts and banana peels.

2713
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:30,880
Speaker 1: You're every time I go anti American speech considered, call

2714
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:32,160
Speaker 1: me Osama Bin Luke. I don't care.

2715
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm from New England, so you know, we

2716
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:35,400
Speaker 2: we take Thanksgiving a little more.

2717
01:56:35,320 --> 01:56:38,520
Speaker 1: Person I go to people's houses for their American Thanksgiving

2718
01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:40,960
Speaker 1: and your fucking families can't cook. I'm sorry to tell

2719
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:44,000
Speaker 1: you this. Your me ma fucking green bean castle roll.

2720
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:47,200
Speaker 1: It's based like someone wipe toilet paper on the backside

2721
01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:49,240
Speaker 1: of my balls. We get the after I was farting

2722
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:51,960
Speaker 1: all day the tortier on the Amtrak train.

2723
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:54,520
Speaker 2: I'm not going to have this debate again, but yeah, Thanksgiving.

2724
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:56,120
Speaker 1: What were you gonna say? Long Island Luke, I'm right,

2725
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:57,920
Speaker 1: wasn't I I wasn't going to say anything.

2726
01:56:58,120 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 4: If you're asking me my favorite holiday, it's got to

2727
01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 4: the New Year's Eve.

2728
01:57:00,840 --> 01:57:04,240
Speaker 3: You know, of course, you know, because everyone's up, everyone's partying,

2729
01:57:04,280 --> 01:57:06,480
Speaker 3: it's a good time, Meth is available.

2730
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:10,000
Speaker 2: Food, friends in football, and that's what things. Because you

2731
01:57:10,120 --> 01:57:12,800
Speaker 2: it's not just Thanksgiving, it's Valley New Year the night before,

2732
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:14,320
Speaker 2: you know, when you go back out and I.

2733
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:14,760
Speaker 1: Don't do that.

2734
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:18,360
Speaker 2: I haven't do it anymore. But you know, all right,

2735
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:21,040
Speaker 2: all right, okay, all right, it's tough for some ship.

2736
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:22,720
Speaker 2: Let's let's go hard in the pain here to finish.

2737
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:24,640
Speaker 2: I scoured the globe, you know, the good and the bad,

2738
01:57:24,680 --> 01:57:26,960
Speaker 2: all that weird stuff. This one's called have you seen

2739
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:29,400
Speaker 2: this ship? Get ready put the seatbelt on. There's gonna

2740
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:41,000
Speaker 2: be a wild ride. Who, Luke, let's go to UFC Paris.

2741
01:57:41,080 --> 01:57:44,200
Speaker 2: And this is about I Lean Perez, who took over

2742
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 2: the headlines at this event, getting the choke against Daria

2743
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:53,840
Speaker 2: Zoleniz cova Ish and then the I mean that is disrespectful.

2744
01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:56,360
Speaker 1: That is kind of awes is very disrespectful.

2745
01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:59,600
Speaker 2: Perez would go on to quote tweet Ariels saying it

2746
01:57:59,680 --> 01:58:03,120
Speaker 2: was just sspectful and say, uh, there was a backstory.

2747
01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:05,400
Speaker 2: She claims her opponent had talked some trash, but still

2748
01:58:05,480 --> 01:58:08,000
Speaker 2: that was it was on brand for Press. I'm coming

2749
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:08,960
Speaker 2: around on Eileen Press.

2750
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:09,240
Speaker 1: All right.

2751
01:58:09,480 --> 01:58:10,280
Speaker 2: I thought she was she.

2752
01:58:10,360 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 1: Shakes her because of that.

2753
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:14,920
Speaker 2: I thought she was like a joke and just ridiculous.

2754
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:19,240
Speaker 2: But she's she's ad an attention seekers. She's fun to watch.

2755
01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:19,480
Speaker 1: Luke.

2756
01:58:19,680 --> 01:58:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love fighters like that. You know that?

2757
01:58:21,240 --> 01:58:22,760
Speaker 1: Are you saying that with your pants are on your ank?

2758
01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:26,000
Speaker 2: You always assume the worst you always question my good

2759
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:28,720
Speaker 2: you know, the faith of my intentions on the show,

2760
01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:31,080
Speaker 2: particularly as it you know that means to the one

2761
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:33,680
Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen pound division and I'm offended by that,

2762
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:36,680
Speaker 2: but let's keep the press train rolling. She also shared

2763
01:58:36,720 --> 01:58:38,280
Speaker 2: a sandwich with Brian Battle.

2764
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:44,720
Speaker 7: Okay, all right, that's a little and then she had

2765
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:47,280
Speaker 7: time with the Chance She's a lot, right, and then

2766
01:58:47,400 --> 01:58:51,120
Speaker 7: she had time with the champ Morob devolish Vili before

2767
01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:52,320
Speaker 7: the way in.

2768
01:58:54,760 --> 01:58:58,640
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I you know there might be some boundary

2769
01:58:58,680 --> 01:58:59,640
Speaker 1: issues that she has.

2770
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:02,240
Speaker 2: Did you hear Bizziting on the broadcast was basically saying

2771
01:59:02,280 --> 01:59:04,720
Speaker 2: he has an authority that she faked that that like

2772
01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:06,840
Speaker 2: way in trauma that she was going through on the scale,

2773
01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:08,400
Speaker 2: where like it look like she was going to pass out?

2774
01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:08,920
Speaker 2: Is that true?

2775
01:59:09,320 --> 01:59:11,520
Speaker 1: I had the commentary muted.

2776
01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:14,320
Speaker 2: Okay? And then also she had a victory cigarette. This

2777
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:15,720
Speaker 2: is like my orga level. Watch this.

2778
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:19,280
Speaker 1: My Orga was beast like this.

2779
01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:22,960
Speaker 2: Would you say, Luke that she's a savage, She gets

2780
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:24,320
Speaker 2: after it, she lives the life.

2781
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:28,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is she doing? She's just holding it on?

2782
01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she's like holding it in and then

2783
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:33,480
Speaker 2: oh wow, wet.

2784
01:59:34,360 --> 01:59:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, spitting in the air thing.

2785
01:59:36,160 --> 01:59:39,080
Speaker 2: That's not nothing, Luke, I'll tell you this much.

2786
01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:41,520
Speaker 1: She seems like a good candidate for RSD.

2787
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she can.

2788
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:45,680
Speaker 1: She's doing spoke with us, right. I don't know if

2789
01:59:45,680 --> 01:59:46,760
Speaker 1: her English is good and I don't know if my

2790
01:59:46,760 --> 01:59:48,720
Speaker 1: Spanish is good enough either, but we can we can try,

2791
01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:50,320
Speaker 1: all right. I might actually be the fun of it.

2792
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:52,880
Speaker 2: That would be, Hey, we're gonna have an RSD couch again.

2793
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:55,360
Speaker 2: I just want to let you know that it's going

2794
01:59:55,400 --> 01:59:55,680
Speaker 2: to happen.

2795
01:59:55,720 --> 01:59:56,920
Speaker 1: I'll believe it when I see it, all right.

2796
01:59:57,400 --> 02:00:01,040
Speaker 2: Elsewhere in Paris, Brian Battle U not afraid to play

2797
02:00:01,080 --> 02:00:02,080
Speaker 2: heel of the French fans.

2798
02:00:05,120 --> 02:00:09,040
Speaker 1: Butcher a fifth fight to a right stue.

2799
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:15,400
Speaker 2: I know, ain't a fist fight.

2800
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:22,080
Speaker 1: Du a fret stoney, Ladies and gentlemen, You're a winner,

2801
02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:24,720
Speaker 1: Brian the butcher bottle.

2802
02:00:27,560 --> 02:00:28,760
Speaker 2: He had a big promo.

2803
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:29,720
Speaker 1: I have breaking news.

2804
02:00:29,960 --> 02:00:30,320
Speaker 2: What do you got?

2805
02:00:30,600 --> 02:00:34,600
Speaker 1: It's official, It's official. December fourteenth, the w BA have

2806
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:38,600
Speaker 1: now confirmed Gervante Davis versus Lamont Roach. The WBA has

2807
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:42,000
Speaker 1: announced they've granted special permission to Roach to challenge Davis

2808
02:00:42,040 --> 02:00:45,520
Speaker 1: for his WBA Lightweight World title, while retaining his WBA

2809
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:50,720
Speaker 1: super Featherweight world title, Big fight in DC, big fighting DC.

2810
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:52,840
Speaker 2: That's about it all right, here's money moy cono. We

2811
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:54,839
Speaker 2: know he cut a promo. Here's his promo on McGregor.

2812
02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:57,320
Speaker 2: By the way, Michael Chander is out of the Connor

2813
02:00:57,400 --> 02:01:00,360
Speaker 2: MacGregor about. Don't you think you're in line for that

2814
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:02,480
Speaker 2: fight McGregor?

2815
02:01:02,520 --> 02:01:05,800
Speaker 5: You me, yeah, I don't think he's fighting money mooican.

2816
02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:08,320
Speaker 2: Is McGregor an easy fight?

2817
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:13,400
Speaker 5: If you ask me that a couple of years ago,

2818
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:16,520
Speaker 5: I would say so. But to be honest, one of

2819
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:18,680
Speaker 5: the fighters that I respect him most in the game

2820
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:21,760
Speaker 5: is McGregor because he completely changed the game. So I

2821
02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:24,160
Speaker 5: will pay my respect to him just because now he's

2822
02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:28,320
Speaker 5: almost a billionaire, so he can have how he can have,

2823
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:32,280
Speaker 5: I don't know, two hundred losses and he'll still being McGregor.

2824
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:33,960
Speaker 5: So I don't know.

2825
02:01:34,600 --> 02:01:35,800
Speaker 1: He's not fighting anybody.

2826
02:01:36,040 --> 02:01:38,800
Speaker 5: I think, of course if they offer me, but I

2827
02:01:38,840 --> 02:01:42,600
Speaker 5: would not wait for fight McGregor because like Chandler, it's

2828
02:01:42,760 --> 02:01:45,040
Speaker 5: just a trap right now. I think McGregor makes more

2829
02:01:45,080 --> 02:01:48,600
Speaker 5: money outside fighting, so I don't think he wants to

2830
02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:51,400
Speaker 5: go to a cage to somebody that is ready to

2831
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:54,040
Speaker 5: kill somebody for money. You know, I'm ready to kill

2832
02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:56,600
Speaker 5: somebody for money, So I don't think he wants.

2833
02:01:56,360 --> 02:01:59,480
Speaker 2: To damn Connor. That's the heck of a promo. Looke,

2834
02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:02,760
Speaker 2: is that even in any level of consideration.

2835
02:02:02,360 --> 02:02:04,600
Speaker 1: You think why Connor versus McGregor.

2836
02:02:04,760 --> 02:02:08,280
Speaker 2: No, not a talking point though, way Connor was ready

2837
02:02:08,280 --> 02:02:09,160
Speaker 2: to kill a man for money.

2838
02:02:09,480 --> 02:02:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, just not McGregor.

2839
02:02:10,760 --> 02:02:13,400
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll skip for Vola and we'll continue on. In

2840
02:02:13,480 --> 02:02:17,240
Speaker 2: Combat Sports, Future Champion Kevin Lee was back first victory

2841
02:02:17,320 --> 02:02:21,560
Speaker 2: since twenty twenty two, with a submission in the first round.

2842
02:02:22,160 --> 02:02:23,640
Speaker 2: Lights Out Fight seventeen.

2843
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:25,320
Speaker 1: Was the promotion, Yeah, I mean only took him a

2844
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:27,840
Speaker 1: couple of a few minutes to uh, a couple of

2845
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:29,280
Speaker 1: minute excuse me to get this going. I think the

2846
02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:31,840
Speaker 1: guy he fought at a losing record doesn't mean much.

2847
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:33,800
Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm not against Kevin Lee. If

2848
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:36,000
Speaker 1: he can rebuild himself, maybe this is where it has

2849
02:02:36,040 --> 02:02:36,360
Speaker 1: to start.

2850
02:02:36,480 --> 02:02:37,960
Speaker 2: That's the Contender series and that's right.

2851
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:39,720
Speaker 1: So like he wants to like earn, he's trying to

2852
02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:42,760
Speaker 1: earn it back. I wish him well, h well.

2853
02:02:43,000 --> 02:02:45,200
Speaker 2: Edgar Burlanga Berlanga Berloga.

2854
02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:48,560
Speaker 1: I mean the most annoying man on earth who does

2855
02:02:48,640 --> 02:02:51,280
Speaker 1: a victory tour after a fight where they got blanked.

2856
02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:53,080
Speaker 1: He does, unfucking believe it.

2857
02:02:53,160 --> 02:02:54,000
Speaker 2: Here's a sound bite.

2858
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:56,840
Speaker 5: If I had a longer camp, you know, obviously because

2859
02:02:56,840 --> 02:02:58,600
Speaker 5: we I quote a short notice for his fight.

2860
02:02:58,680 --> 02:03:00,240
Speaker 2: You know, I'm saying that when we got signed, I

2861
02:03:00,280 --> 02:03:02,440
Speaker 2: was training Bob. Wasn't a camp, but we had a

2862
02:03:02,520 --> 02:03:04,240
Speaker 2: real solid camp, like a ten week.

2863
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:05,200
Speaker 6: Camp, twelve week camp.

2864
02:03:05,720 --> 02:03:07,840
Speaker 1: It'd be it would have been a different a different fight.

2865
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:09,040
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying, No, it wouldn't.

2866
02:03:09,720 --> 02:03:10,720
Speaker 2: That's a bold taking.

2867
02:03:10,760 --> 02:03:12,680
Speaker 1: No, it would not. It would have gone just the

2868
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:14,960
Speaker 1: fucking same. Get the fuck out of well.

2869
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:16,520
Speaker 2: If he doesn't. If he's not able to get the

2870
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:19,520
Speaker 2: Canelo rematch, Luke, he's got bigger plans. Here was a tweet.

2871
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:20,920
Speaker 2: I would love to go up to heavyweight and fight

2872
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:24,480
Speaker 2: Anthony Joshua, just to test greatness. Nothing bad towards this.

2873
02:03:24,680 --> 02:03:27,240
Speaker 2: I'll walk in the ring two hundred ten pounds. He

2874
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:29,120
Speaker 2: would then say that he would he be willing to

2875
02:03:29,160 --> 02:03:29,840
Speaker 2: fight du Bois.

2876
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:32,320
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, yeah, I got it. I mean, I you know,

2877
02:03:32,600 --> 02:03:34,680
Speaker 1: all right, hey, let's go to a p I'd rather

2878
02:03:34,760 --> 02:03:36,040
Speaker 1: drop my balls in a bear trap.

2879
02:03:36,160 --> 02:03:38,680
Speaker 2: I mean, pfl Glasgow. Did you see Stevie Ray? It

2880
02:03:38,760 --> 02:03:39,720
Speaker 2: might be his final fight?

2881
02:03:39,800 --> 02:03:41,720
Speaker 1: He didn't, Dude, look at this fucking like sort of

2882
02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:44,880
Speaker 1: a halfway twister. He hits on everybody. Yeah, it's like

2883
02:03:44,920 --> 02:03:45,760
Speaker 1: a rib separator.

2884
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:46,880
Speaker 2: It's the second of his career.

2885
02:03:47,120 --> 02:03:52,680
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable, how much I think the third actually unbelievable.

2886
02:03:52,840 --> 02:03:55,240
Speaker 1: What a career he had. He was a respectable fighter

2887
02:03:55,840 --> 02:03:58,400
Speaker 1: and he had some great moments. Good for him. I'm

2888
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:02,200
Speaker 1: so glad he got to go out this way. Fantastic, fantastic.

2889
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:05,720
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor did an explosive live betting stream and he

2890
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:08,720
Speaker 2: looked like he was sober. Yeah, he looked like Vince

2891
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:11,520
Speaker 2: Neil during the Prime Motley Crew run. Here's his take

2892
02:04:11,560 --> 02:04:14,560
Speaker 2: on or call out of Taporia or top Toria. Actually,

2893
02:04:14,880 --> 02:04:16,240
Speaker 2: how do you take you? Would be ill?

2894
02:04:16,520 --> 02:04:17,960
Speaker 1: I to.

2895
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:23,320
Speaker 2: Grabbing with a scribb of the chest and slapped that.

2896
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:29,080
Speaker 1: Little house of him yet dinged on he is yet spots.

2897
02:04:29,160 --> 02:04:31,360
Speaker 2: I mean my bay, bro, Yeah, I mean my bay

2898
02:04:31,400 --> 02:04:33,880
Speaker 2: at the bar, knuckle star and let's see what's well we.

2899
02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:36,800
Speaker 1: Film?

2900
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:43,120
Speaker 2: Okay, my head in it's gonna go disaster, Richard s

2901
02:04:48,760 --> 02:04:53,160
Speaker 2: I can make a case that I've seen him partying

2902
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:57,080
Speaker 2: on social media every day for like the last six months.

2903
02:04:57,200 --> 02:04:59,560
Speaker 1: This is where his life is now. He hasn't fully

2904
02:04:59,600 --> 02:05:01,560
Speaker 1: come to terms with it, but that's where his life

2905
02:05:01,600 --> 02:05:04,400
Speaker 1: and by the way, nothing wrong with that, but damn,

2906
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:06,560
Speaker 1: but that's where his life is now, and I think

2907
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:07,520
Speaker 1: everyone needs to accept it.

2908
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:09,920
Speaker 2: Luke, you ordered more elder abuse this week. But before

2909
02:05:09,960 --> 02:05:11,000
Speaker 2: we get to the abuse.

2910
02:05:10,840 --> 02:05:12,040
Speaker 1: I literally texted you about it.

2911
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:14,320
Speaker 2: How about some elder wins. Let's go to Wrigley Field.

2912
02:05:14,440 --> 02:05:16,320
Speaker 2: Catch of the day, Luke, maybe catch of the year?

2913
02:05:17,680 --> 02:05:20,360
Speaker 2: Oh ship, look at it with the beer cup. My

2914
02:05:20,440 --> 02:05:25,080
Speaker 2: man is like you, Oh yeah, big win for that elder.

2915
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:28,600
Speaker 1: He probably drove home drunk and died, but nevertheless he

2916
02:05:28,680 --> 02:05:29,880
Speaker 1: went out in a blaze of glory.

2917
02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:32,200
Speaker 2: I got an elder win in a public space here.

2918
02:05:32,240 --> 02:05:34,120
Speaker 2: You know, old guys, Luke, they have no filter and

2919
02:05:34,200 --> 02:05:36,480
Speaker 2: their ball sag and if the bbls arrive.

2920
02:05:36,840 --> 02:05:41,640
Speaker 1: He is not unattractive. This guy, That motherfucker looks like me.

2921
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:43,480
Speaker 1: That's me in like five years.

2922
02:05:45,120 --> 02:05:48,360
Speaker 2: He's not hiding it, Luke, He's gonna That's called building material.

2923
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:49,920
Speaker 1: You know what, That's called living your life.

2924
02:05:50,040 --> 02:05:52,920
Speaker 2: Okay. Also, luc O, we have an elder win watch

2925
02:05:53,000 --> 02:06:00,480
Speaker 2: this whole bestard first time.

2926
02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:13,480
Speaker 1: What the fuck, dude, he looks like yo, samity Sam. Yes,

2927
02:06:13,600 --> 02:06:16,320
Speaker 1: when bugs bunny hands him a fucking stick of dynamite

2928
02:06:16,360 --> 02:06:18,080
Speaker 1: and he eats it or something, you know what I mean?

2929
02:06:18,200 --> 02:06:20,240
Speaker 2: Most dads in my town growing up look like that guy.

2930
02:06:20,240 --> 02:06:22,280
Speaker 2: I'm serious, Like that's that's you know, that's where I

2931
02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:23,200
Speaker 2: know what that.

2932
02:06:23,320 --> 02:06:24,200
Speaker 1: Is, book reader.

2933
02:06:24,360 --> 02:06:26,640
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to some older abuse. Let's hit it.

2934
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:30,880
Speaker 2: I've wanted this shampoo. You're not getting the big bottle.

2935
02:06:30,920 --> 02:06:37,240
Speaker 2: You don't got that much time left. Let's keep it going.

2936
02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:40,000
Speaker 1: Eating cake with chopsis.

2937
02:06:40,080 --> 02:06:40,280
Speaker 6: Dad.

2938
02:06:40,600 --> 02:06:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope you guy in a fire.

2939
02:06:47,560 --> 02:06:50,320
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, dear. Let's keep it going. We

2940
02:06:50,480 --> 02:07:01,000
Speaker 2: got more old failed kids are awesome. That can happen

2941
02:07:01,080 --> 02:07:02,200
Speaker 2: at our age, at anytime, though.

2942
02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:04,800
Speaker 1: So he falls off the curb and then goes head

2943
02:07:04,840 --> 02:07:05,680
Speaker 1: first into the car.

2944
02:07:05,960 --> 02:07:08,400
Speaker 2: Yes, he's just wailing. He's wailing.

2945
02:07:09,200 --> 02:07:12,120
Speaker 1: Wow, she can barely walk waddling there.

2946
02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:16,080
Speaker 2: The worst thing you can combine are really old people

2947
02:07:16,120 --> 02:07:16,640
Speaker 2: and alcohol.

2948
02:07:18,720 --> 02:07:19,600
Speaker 1: Look at the titties.

2949
02:07:23,080 --> 02:07:24,520
Speaker 2: He's gonna attempt to walk that tree.

2950
02:07:24,560 --> 02:07:27,600
Speaker 1: He's walking like Vincent Dinofrio and the First Men in Black.

2951
02:07:28,640 --> 02:07:33,960
Speaker 2: No, I think he's Oh boy, there we go. Time

2952
02:07:34,040 --> 02:07:35,600
Speaker 2: to hit the hardwood. Have you ever heard of the

2953
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:39,360
Speaker 2: Moroccan mambaca mamba?

2954
02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:49,320
Speaker 1: Watch this movie got some handles. Let's see big one.

2955
02:07:49,400 --> 02:07:49,520
Speaker 7: Right?

2956
02:07:49,600 --> 02:07:51,280
Speaker 1: You know what they say? The game's gone global?

2957
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:54,280
Speaker 2: That is true, but like to play a more physical game. Look,

2958
02:07:54,360 --> 02:07:56,160
Speaker 2: have you ever done an oil check mid game?

2959
02:07:57,560 --> 02:07:59,920
Speaker 1: So this is an actual move called a butt drag?

2960
02:08:01,320 --> 02:08:03,200
Speaker 1: You don't hear the butt drag. It's a real thing.

2961
02:08:03,360 --> 02:08:05,520
Speaker 1: You're supposed to go a little lower than this, the

2962
02:08:05,600 --> 02:08:07,680
Speaker 1: actual not quite in the anus.

2963
02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:09,880
Speaker 2: But that's illegal.

2964
02:08:09,920 --> 02:08:10,120
Speaker 1: Movie.

2965
02:08:10,120 --> 02:08:11,480
Speaker 2: You're saying, I can grab that a.

2966
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:13,320
Speaker 1: Butt dragon is Yes, you have to reach a little

2967
02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:14,040
Speaker 1: bit further.

2968
02:08:14,200 --> 02:08:15,920
Speaker 2: All right, why don't we do some drugs? Imagine if

2969
02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:17,680
Speaker 2: your name was Jeff Shooter, what do you think you'd

2970
02:08:17,720 --> 02:08:18,000
Speaker 2: be into?

2971
02:08:18,760 --> 02:08:21,480
Speaker 7: Jeff Shooter says, it's the first thing on his mind

2972
02:08:21,640 --> 02:08:22,240
Speaker 7: in the morning.

2973
02:08:22,600 --> 02:08:23,200
Speaker 2: Get up, take a.

2974
02:08:23,160 --> 02:08:24,440
Speaker 1: Shower, and go to work.

2975
02:08:25,560 --> 02:08:30,680
Speaker 2: What do you do when you get home? Bucket? I

2976
02:08:30,760 --> 02:08:31,880
Speaker 2: mean that's the American way.

2977
02:08:34,360 --> 02:08:37,600
Speaker 1: That's I would like to judge this man. I do

2978
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:38,840
Speaker 1: mostly the same thing.

2979
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:42,080
Speaker 2: Let's keep it going. Oh wow, hey, there we go.

2980
02:08:43,960 --> 02:08:45,200
Speaker 2: Look would you call this art.

2981
02:08:47,520 --> 02:08:47,720
Speaker 6: Um?

2982
02:08:51,960 --> 02:08:52,000
Speaker 1: No?

2983
02:08:52,440 --> 02:08:55,600
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, elevator. Croke. Oh look, you know we

2984
02:08:56,040 --> 02:08:57,920
Speaker 2: know you hate gender reveals? Have you ever heard of

2985
02:08:58,000 --> 02:08:59,000
Speaker 2: bender reveals?

2986
02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:11,240
Speaker 1: Under reveal party? See what it is? It's blow. I

2987
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Speaker 1: would go to that party. Yes, yes, that's a better party.

2988
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:16,040
Speaker 2: Well, if you need directions, you can follow this sign.

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02:09:17,360 --> 02:09:17,920
Speaker 1: Do a bump.

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02:09:18,080 --> 02:09:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's head out to the race course.

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02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:25,360
Speaker 2: You know people always want to sit as close as

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02:09:25,400 --> 02:09:26,160
Speaker 2: they possibly can.

2993
02:09:27,240 --> 02:09:28,160
Speaker 1: They're not going very far.

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02:09:28,360 --> 02:09:32,920
Speaker 2: What the it's a soul brother? Wow? Miss the turn

2995
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:35,880
Speaker 2: right there? Okay, you got to go left, stupid, Let's

2996
02:09:35,880 --> 02:09:37,920
Speaker 2: get flatyel What would you do if I tried this

2997
02:09:38,040 --> 02:09:39,080
Speaker 2: move on you in the weight room?

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02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:48,640
Speaker 1: Dude? Let me explain something to you. I'm not one

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02:09:48,680 --> 02:09:50,600
Speaker 1: of these people who thinks the Saudi Arabian style of

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02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:52,840
Speaker 1: government is all that great, but I agree you should

3001
02:09:52,880 --> 02:10:16,680
Speaker 1: be executed for that. I agree. I agree. Only bored

3002
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:19,280
Speaker 1: dudes could come up with something like chicks like that too.

3003
02:10:19,400 --> 02:10:20,320
Speaker 2: Let's look at this check.

3004
02:10:20,600 --> 02:10:22,120
Speaker 7: So I just have one question for the guy that

3005
02:10:22,240 --> 02:10:25,880
Speaker 7: kept asking me to fart into a balloon and mail

3006
02:10:25,960 --> 02:10:26,800
Speaker 7: it to him earlier.

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02:10:27,480 --> 02:10:29,600
Speaker 1: Bro, what in the fuck is your address?

3008
02:10:34,640 --> 02:10:38,240
Speaker 2: All right? Wow? Look, some people think misogyny is dead,

3009
02:10:38,280 --> 02:10:40,480
Speaker 2: but there's still it's a lot, there's still home for it.

3010
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:42,640
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, one drunk man.

3011
02:10:43,560 --> 02:10:46,360
Speaker 2: He's more intelligent than three women with PhDs. Thank you

3012
02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:50,880
Speaker 2: so much. Okay, an Mma fan, I.

3013
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:52,640
Speaker 1: Don't know a Ryan Garcia fan.

3014
02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:54,880
Speaker 2: Look, if you're ever out in a foreign country and

3015
02:10:54,920 --> 02:10:56,520
Speaker 2: you want a third world a guy, I got an

3016
02:10:56,560 --> 02:10:57,080
Speaker 2: option for you.

3017
02:11:08,280 --> 02:11:09,040
Speaker 1: That's ad.

3018
02:11:10,600 --> 02:11:11,440
Speaker 2: Is disgusting.

3019
02:11:11,600 --> 02:11:13,200
Speaker 1: That is drive by spray.

3020
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:15,920
Speaker 2: All right. You ever been in a bad road rage incident?

3021
02:11:16,040 --> 02:11:17,120
Speaker 1: No, I've mostly avoided it.

3022
02:11:17,160 --> 02:11:18,760
Speaker 2: All right, let's watch these these two.

3023
02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:22,200
Speaker 4: Dude, you were going twenty miles over the fucking feeling

3024
02:11:22,280 --> 02:11:24,840
Speaker 4: it Now I'm getting fucking pissed again.

3025
02:11:28,040 --> 02:11:30,840
Speaker 2: What happened? He said? Nice tits? That was so insensitive.

3026
02:11:31,880 --> 02:11:34,120
Speaker 1: A bit of an icebreaker when you're in, you know,

3027
02:11:34,200 --> 02:11:36,400
Speaker 1: a moment of conflict, right, uh.

3028
02:11:36,400 --> 02:11:39,200
Speaker 2: Luke, we have footage of you on your most recent vacation.

3029
02:11:43,120 --> 02:11:49,440
Speaker 1: This is very true. That's a literal thing that I

3030
02:11:49,560 --> 02:11:51,200
Speaker 1: have to do. That's a literal thing.

3031
02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:53,720
Speaker 2: Oh, let's keep the fun going, all right, Let's see it.

3032
02:11:53,800 --> 02:11:57,760
Speaker 1: Situations like this. Yeah, I always ask myself what would he.

3033
02:11:58,040 --> 02:11:58,440
Speaker 5: Did he do?

3034
02:11:59,280 --> 02:11:59,400
Speaker 2: Oh?

3035
02:11:59,560 --> 02:12:00,480
Speaker 1: What would you do?

3036
02:12:01,240 --> 02:12:01,560
Speaker 3: I don't know?

3037
02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:07,520
Speaker 1: So we can't wake up, shade.

3038
02:12:08,520 --> 02:12:12,280
Speaker 2: Take this Todd helicopter, put it down its paints.

3039
02:12:13,560 --> 02:12:15,320
Speaker 1: Okay, that seems disturbing.

3040
02:12:15,560 --> 02:12:17,720
Speaker 2: Was on in hindsight? That would be disturbing.

3041
02:12:18,160 --> 02:12:20,080
Speaker 1: Not one of those things where the comedy was lasting.

3042
02:12:20,240 --> 02:12:22,120
Speaker 2: No, no, but let's keep the Diddy fun going.

3043
02:12:22,360 --> 02:12:24,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you guys did he was put on

3044
02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:27,040
Speaker 1: suicide watch this morning. That means you won't be able

3045
02:12:27,080 --> 02:12:28,520
Speaker 1: to do either of these things.

3046
02:12:32,120 --> 02:12:34,720
Speaker 2: It was dark. Okay, let's see what else we got.

3047
02:12:35,440 --> 02:12:38,640
Speaker 6: If you could go back in time twenty three years,

3048
02:12:38,680 --> 02:12:41,200
Speaker 6: it's some tip of tenth, two thousand and one, the

3049
02:12:41,240 --> 02:12:43,720
Speaker 6: day before nine to eleven, the day before nine to eleven,

3050
02:12:43,800 --> 02:12:52,080
Speaker 6: knowing what you know now, would you want people? How

3051
02:12:52,080 --> 02:12:52,840
Speaker 6: about p Diddy?

3052
02:12:58,560 --> 02:13:00,560
Speaker 2: At what point during the p wow?

3053
02:13:00,840 --> 02:13:01,760
Speaker 1: It's an important question?

3054
02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:04,280
Speaker 2: She really is. Let's keep it going, all right?

3055
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:09,440
Speaker 1: Which country as the largest oil reserves? P d D.

3056
02:13:12,240 --> 02:13:16,000
Speaker 2: Luke drive fast all gas continues to uh make the

3057
02:13:16,080 --> 02:13:19,000
Speaker 2: trends the time for skips and business shop willing to

3058
02:13:19,080 --> 02:13:21,600
Speaker 2: do anything for the camera. Let's let's let's get an update.

3059
02:13:21,680 --> 02:13:22,400
Speaker 1: That's not him, is it?

3060
02:13:22,560 --> 02:13:23,000
Speaker 2: I hope not?

3061
02:13:23,880 --> 02:13:25,480
Speaker 1: Oh? What the fuck? Oh?

3062
02:13:25,520 --> 02:13:25,800
Speaker 2: Wow?

3063
02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:31,120
Speaker 1: Wow? Wow? Run that?

3064
02:13:31,480 --> 02:13:31,520
Speaker 3: No?

3065
02:13:31,600 --> 02:13:32,800
Speaker 1: No, no, one more time. One more time.

3066
02:13:32,880 --> 02:13:33,440
Speaker 2: That's a problem.

3067
02:13:34,640 --> 02:13:36,960
Speaker 1: Your fuck seat belts. My man was like seatbelts off

3068
02:13:36,960 --> 02:13:37,400
Speaker 1: for a bitch.

3069
02:13:38,360 --> 02:13:38,640
Speaker 2: Wow.

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02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:42,200
Speaker 1: I like how like a soccer player kicks him in

3071
02:13:42,240 --> 02:13:43,720
Speaker 1: the air and then volleys him forward.

3072
02:13:43,800 --> 02:13:46,240
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, don't look away at this next one.

3073
02:13:46,720 --> 02:13:53,440
Speaker 1: It's time to use my peanuts. Don't look away. Look

3074
02:13:53,480 --> 02:14:02,919
Speaker 1: at me, Look at me. That's that's disturbing.

3075
02:14:03,120 --> 02:14:04,560
Speaker 2: You can see him at the renaissance.

3076
02:14:05,400 --> 02:14:08,280
Speaker 1: We can masturbating in the We've.

3077
02:14:08,160 --> 02:14:15,400
Speaker 2: Got one more. Let's see the fan camp, all right?

3078
02:14:15,640 --> 02:14:18,520
Speaker 1: That is, can someone get her numbers? Please?

3079
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:20,720
Speaker 2: I'll have what he's having.

3080
02:14:21,200 --> 02:14:22,600
Speaker 1: He looks to be you know what. That's a that's

3081
02:14:22,600 --> 02:14:23,080
Speaker 1: a good date.

3082
02:14:23,360 --> 02:14:24,880
Speaker 2: That's all the ship I got. We got to get

3083
02:14:24,880 --> 02:14:25,200
Speaker 2: out of here.

3084
02:14:25,400 --> 02:14:28,880
Speaker 1: Let's remind everyone world MMA Awards dot Com. You can

3085
02:14:28,920 --> 02:14:30,640
Speaker 1: go and vote for us. It hasn't been our best year,

3086
02:14:30,760 --> 02:14:36,440
Speaker 1: but vote for us anyway. That's really our Luke Thomas's face, please,

3087
02:14:36,520 --> 02:14:38,280
Speaker 1: it would be I would I would go to Vegas

3088
02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:39,800
Speaker 1: to pick it up. I would go to Yeah, I

3089
02:14:39,800 --> 02:14:41,320
Speaker 1: would go. I'll go to Vegas to pick it up

3090
02:14:41,320 --> 02:14:41,840
Speaker 1: if we win.

3091
02:14:41,880 --> 02:14:42,520
Speaker 2: On your dime?

3092
02:14:42,600 --> 02:14:44,960
Speaker 1: All right, on my dime? Well, whose dimes are going

3093
02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:47,680
Speaker 1: to be on? That's a you know what I'm saying. Uh,

3094
02:14:47,800 --> 02:14:49,680
Speaker 1: let's see the socials. You can put those up. You

3095
02:14:49,720 --> 02:14:51,640
Speaker 1: can follow us everywhere. What's that? What's the YouTube address?

3096
02:14:51,680 --> 02:14:52,000
Speaker 1: One more time?

3097
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:54,760
Speaker 2: YouTube dot com slash the Brian Campbell Experience.

3098
02:14:54,840 --> 02:14:56,520
Speaker 1: Yes, or YouTube dot com slash Luke Thomas and of

3099
02:14:56,560 --> 02:14:58,960
Speaker 1: course YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat as well.

3100
02:14:59,200 --> 02:15:02,120
Speaker 2: Hit that BC. Get your hands in there right, feel around,

3101
02:15:02,280 --> 02:15:03,720
Speaker 2: find out if it fits right.

3102
02:15:04,120 --> 02:15:07,760
Speaker 1: That's gross, that's gross, BC. What do you have to

3103
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:08,680
Speaker 1: plug anything? Coming up?

3104
02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:11,360
Speaker 2: You know, I got some good interviews coming up, Tim Zoo.

3105
02:15:11,440 --> 02:15:13,280
Speaker 2: We'll see, we got we got to check out the channel.

3106
02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:15,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna be blown away maybe or maybe it'll annoy you.

3107
02:15:15,800 --> 02:15:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, all right, Uh? And of course YouTube

3108
02:15:18,240 --> 02:15:20,480
Speaker 1: dot com slushlu Thomas for some live post three oh

3109
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:21,800
Speaker 1: seven coverage as well.

3110
02:15:21,960 --> 02:15:25,040
Speaker 2: Oh, I got an announcement. You do October nineteenth, PBC

3111
02:15:26,200 --> 02:15:29,240
Speaker 2: on Amazon Prime Video, not pay per view, first, non

3112
02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:31,480
Speaker 2: pap per view, just a regular thing, Tim Zoo obviously

3113
02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:35,280
Speaker 2: fighting Bakram Mertzalaya for the one fifty fourth title. I

3114
02:15:35,280 --> 02:15:35,960
Speaker 2: will be on the call.

3115
02:15:36,920 --> 02:15:39,120
Speaker 1: Hit the buzzer. Hit the buzzer for that. Who are

3116
02:15:39,120 --> 02:15:39,680
Speaker 1: you on the call with?

3117
02:15:39,840 --> 02:15:43,440
Speaker 8: Very quickly I believe it's I believe it's I don't

3118
02:15:43,440 --> 02:15:46,240
Speaker 8: think that's fully been Okay, well you can announce that, yes,

3119
02:15:46,680 --> 02:15:49,320
Speaker 8: And where's that taking place in Orlando at the Kreebay

3120
02:15:49,400 --> 02:15:50,160
Speaker 8: Royale Resort.

3121
02:15:50,240 --> 02:15:53,480
Speaker 1: That's where Jake Paul fought Uber drivers, right, yeah, okay,

3122
02:15:53,600 --> 02:15:56,200
Speaker 1: very good? All right, I think that is it for

3123
02:15:56,360 --> 02:15:58,720
Speaker 1: us right now. Thank you guys so much for watching.

3124
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:01,400
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. We're out. That's Brian Campbell. I'm

3125
02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:03,600
Speaker 1: Luke Thomas. This has been Morning Combat. Until next time,

3126
02:16:03,840 --> 02:16:06,080
Speaker 1: may all of your mother fucking gains be loyal.