Speaker 1: Thanks to all of you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Savannah Guthrie on her own put out a new statement,
Speaker 2: and we're going to play this a especially in relation
Speaker 2: to what she put out this weekend. And here is
Speaker 2: what she said moments ago.
Speaker 3: Hi, there, everybody. I wanted to come on and just
Speaker 3: share a few thoughts as we enter into another week
Speaker 3: of this nightmare. I just want to say, first of all,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for all of the prayers and
Speaker 3: the love that we have felt, my sister and brother
Speaker 3: and I, and that our mom has felt.
Speaker 4: Because we believe that.
Speaker 3: Somehow, in some way, she is feeling these prayers and
Speaker 3: that God is lifting her even in this moment and
Speaker 3: in the darkest place, we believe our mom is still
Speaker 3: out there. We need your help. Law enforcement is working
Speaker 3: tirelessly around the clock trying to bring her home, trying
Speaker 3: to find her.
Speaker 4: She was taken and we don't know where.
Speaker 3: And we need your help. So I'm coming on just
Speaker 3: to ask you, not just for your prayers, but no
Speaker 3: matter where you are, even if you're far from Tucson,
Speaker 3: if you see anything you hear anything, if there's anything
Speaker 3: at all that seems strange to you, that you report
Speaker 3: to law enforcement. We are at an hour of desperation,
Speaker 3: and we need your.
Speaker 2: Help, and we need her help. Obviously, a plea for desperation.
Speaker 2: Now about three hours away from what was what Harvey
Speaker 2: Levin told us it's from TMZ was a far more
Speaker 2: consequential second deadline, and we're less than three hours away
Speaker 2: from that now local time, seven o'clock Eastern time. Fox
Speaker 2: News legal analyst Greg Jarrard for years you may not remember,
Speaker 2: may recall that he worked for Court TV. You spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time analyzing a lot of different cases.
Speaker 2: What I hear in that message is just desperation, frustration,
Speaker 2: but also belief that their mom is still out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I hear that too. She described it as a nightmare,
Speaker 5: and it is surely that the darkest place, she said,
Speaker 5: and approaching the hour of desperation. You know, today's a
Speaker 5: pivotal day, and you know, Sean, this is I think
Speaker 5: a frantic race against the clock to save the life
Speaker 5: of Nancy Guthrie. And we have this, you know, five
Speaker 5: pm deadline fast approaching. The FBI and an army of
Speaker 5: people hoping to find her before the ransom ultimatum has
Speaker 5: to be paid. And you know, the family is said
Speaker 5: it will pay the bitcoin demand for her safe return,
Speaker 5: but there's no way of knowing if the suspected kidnappers
Speaker 5: can be trusted to keep their word. And that's why
Speaker 5: you hear such torment and agony in the voice of
Speaker 5: Savannah Guthrie. And I'm sure what troubles her deeply is
Speaker 5: the failure to provide some proof of life, at least
Speaker 5: in a conventional sense, which would be perhaps a photograph,
Speaker 5: an audio video, something. And you know that raises true
Speaker 5: troubling questions. Why won't they do that? You know, is
Speaker 5: this really a kidnapping for ransom? Nobody can say for sure,
Speaker 5: but clearly Savannah is operating on that. And I'm certain
Speaker 5: that the FBI has been working around the clock, hundreds
Speaker 5: and hundreds of agents and experts trying to uncover this,
Speaker 5: you know, well disguised digital footprint left behind and the
Speaker 5: various email demands sent to the media outlet. But you know,
Speaker 5: these people used a secure encrypted server, They concealed the
Speaker 5: sender's location, they hid the IP address. That makes it
Speaker 5: difficult to penetrate, and sadly others have created deep bakes,
Speaker 5: which have only you know, made the challenge even harder
Speaker 5: for the FBI. The bitcoin account, that's another avenue for cracking,
Speaker 5: but that one's difficult as well. And meanwhile, the clock
Speaker 5: is ticking down, and law enforcement is i think, pursuing
Speaker 5: every conceivable avenue, even the old fashioned traditional shoe other methods,
Speaker 5: is searching for evidence at her, near the scene and
Speaker 5: probably elsewhere.
Speaker 2: Sean Well, I found this message to be very, very
Speaker 2: different because I've also looked at it. She's not on script.
Speaker 2: This seems to be just a heartfelt thank you to everybody,
Speaker 2: in a plea to everybody to you know, please help
Speaker 2: that they're at an hour of desperation. To use her words.
Speaker 2: It also seems that she believes that her mother is alive,
Speaker 2: that she was taken. We don't know where we need
Speaker 2: your help. I'm coming to ask not just for your prayers,
Speaker 2: but no matter where you are, even if you're not
Speaker 2: even if you're far from Tucson, of he see or
Speaker 2: hear anything, if there is anything at all that seems
Speaker 2: strange to you, please report it to law enforcement. Which
Speaker 2: is a little bit different than maybe the cryptic message
Speaker 2: that I felt, which would be very normal by the way,
Speaker 2: I don't want this to be misinterpreted. Seemed to be
Speaker 2: very scripted on message, coordinated with law enforcement. And this
Speaker 2: is the one that said that we will pay. We
Speaker 2: receive your message. We understand. We beg you now to
Speaker 2: return our mother to us so we can celebrate with her.
Speaker 2: The words with her gave me some hope when I
Speaker 2: heard celebrate immediately the first time I listened to it
Speaker 2: many times, I said, oh, that sounded like maybe she
Speaker 2: had information that maybe she thought that this would be
Speaker 2: a celebration of life. But she said with her, this
Speaker 2: is the only way we will have peace. That seemed
Speaker 2: cryptic to me. This is very value to us, not
Speaker 2: in a way that a communicator like Savannah Guthrie would
Speaker 2: I think normally speak, and we will pay.
Speaker 1: That's how it ends. Let me play for you.
Speaker 4: We received your message, and we understand.
Speaker 3: We beg you now to return our mother to us
Speaker 3: so that we can celebrate with her.
Speaker 4: This is the only way we will have peace.
Speaker 6: This is very valuable to us, and we will pay.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I've had a million people interpret that a million different ways.
Speaker 2: I just prefer to focus on the idea that she's
Speaker 2: still alive. And you know, with the deadline now approaching
Speaker 2: the second deadline that Harvey Levin described as far more consequential,
Speaker 2: meaning dire, that I think this last message is like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're not getting anywhere even with the willingness to pay.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts, what do you think the next
Speaker 2: best step for them would be?
Speaker 5: Well, it is terribly frustrating and heartbreaking to hear this
Speaker 5: most recent message. It's a message of desperation as we
Speaker 5: get close to that important hour. And so you know,
Speaker 5: Savannah is saying, please, if you see anything, you hear anything,
Speaker 5: let law enforcement know about it, which sort of suggests
Speaker 5: obviously that law enforcement is no closer to solving this
Speaker 5: case than they were perhaps from the beginning, you know,
Speaker 5: which I find bewildering because the FBI is so adapt
Speaker 5: as you and I have discussed at using the most
Speaker 5: advanced technology system analytics, even AI assisted crime analysis, and
Speaker 5: you know, it's multifaceted. In addition to try to sort
Speaker 5: of penetrate the demand notes, they've also been examining all
Speaker 5: the cell phone activity connected to the forty one towers
Speaker 5: in a three mile radius. It may have been that
Speaker 5: the culprits did not bring mobile phones with them. Maybe
Speaker 5: they had bernerfhones. And I'm sure the FBI has been
Speaker 5: scouring all those street camera footage and surveillance to try
Speaker 5: to trace vehicles between the hours of one am and
Speaker 5: three AM when Nancy is believed to have been abducted.
Speaker 5: There are licensed plate readers, dozens of them in that
Speaker 5: general area. But as I discussed before with you, you know,
Speaker 5: smart criminals often steal plates, and so all you can
Speaker 5: really get here make models and colors. The difficulty here
Speaker 5: is exacerbated by the remoteness of that neighborhood in a
Speaker 5: very secluded region. The house is set back, blocked by
Speaker 5: desert foliage, no street lines, So that makes it so
Speaker 5: hard for anybody that night to have seen or heard
Speaker 5: anything in the darkness of the night.
Speaker 2: And let me ask a hard question, because and it's
Speaker 2: not hard for me. Michael Harrigan, who oversaw the FBI
Speaker 2: National Academy, says, the proof of life is everything. But
Speaker 2: if there's no two way here, which there's not, obviously,
Speaker 2: no good comes from sending the money they said we
Speaker 2: will pay. With the deadline. The second deadline now approaching.
Speaker 2: It sounds like that they are going to do that,
Speaker 2: and I don't know what that means or what you
Speaker 2: can expect or from that.
Speaker 5: Well, it's frustrating. Excuse me, when you have no direct
Speaker 5: communication and it's it is highly unusual. I mean, I've
Speaker 5: never heard of it. Usually there's some sort of back
Speaker 5: and forth, there is some communication established so you can
Speaker 5: work out the details of the exchange money for the
Speaker 5: human life. But here there's none of that. It's just
Speaker 5: demands sent via emails to the media. And so I mean,
Speaker 5: I suppose that these suspected kidnappers are you know, examining
Speaker 5: the bitcoin account, waiting for the money to arrive, and
Speaker 5: maybe it has, maybe it will be in the next
Speaker 5: couple of hours. You know, we don't know. Savannah said
Speaker 5: we will pay. So it is truly a very different, bizarre,
Speaker 5: odd mysterious way of you know, kidnapping and demand for ransom.
Speaker 5: But it has apparently befuddled the best in law enforcement
Speaker 5: so far, it really.
Speaker 2: Has, and I'm sure frustrating for them. I don't really
Speaker 2: think there's an option. I think that you just, you know,
Speaker 2: as this deadline fast approaches, if anybody puts themselves in
Speaker 2: her shoes. I think paying is probably the right call.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 5: Oh, I absolutely agree. You know, you would pay the
Speaker 5: money to get your loved one back, any amount of money,
Speaker 5: and so, you know, I think that's the only choice here.
Speaker 5: Pay the money and then wait and hope and pray that. Uh,
Speaker 5: you know, the safe return of Nancy Guthrie is immin it.
Speaker 5: But that is another challenge for the kidnappers. You know,
Speaker 5: how do they do that without getting caught? You know,
Speaker 5: do you leave her in a remote area then send
Speaker 5: a message to a media outlet as to where she is.
Speaker 5: You know, you don't want to let her off in
Speaker 5: a place that's busy because you know, that's where you
Speaker 5: get caught with cameras and surveillance and people seeing things.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's a very it's kind of mind
Speaker 2: numbing with all the technology we have and all the
Speaker 2: cameras that are everywhere, that nothing has has pop that
Speaker 2: we know of, and I assume we don't know everything
Speaker 2: that law enforcement is doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't know what they have. And I am
Speaker 5: sure that they are pursuing possible leads, some of them
Speaker 5: result in a dead end. We hope they have one
Speaker 5: that comes to fruition and can bring her back. But
Speaker 5: you know, I think I would never faul to the FBI.
Speaker 5: I think they've done their level best. You know, President
Speaker 5: Trump was on this telling everybody in the federal government
Speaker 5: it's all hands on deck. Everybody needs to contribute, and
Speaker 5: I'm sure they have been, but you know, it's one
Speaker 5: of those exceedingly difficult cases.
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Speaker 2: Moments ago, Savannah Guthrie puts out, Now, remember we are
Speaker 2: now less than two and a half hours away from
Speaker 2: what Harvey Levin described, because he read the entire note
Speaker 2: as a far more consequential deadline of five o'clock Tucson time,
Speaker 2: which is seven o'clock Eastern time tonight, and that deadline
Speaker 2: is approaching. And here it is about three hours before
Speaker 2: Savannah Guthrie put out a new message. Unlike the message yesterday,
Speaker 2: which we'll compare it to, it seemed like she was
Speaker 2: looking straight at the camera, speaking straight from her heart extemporaneously.
Speaker 1: Here's what she said.
Speaker 4: Hi, there, everybody. I wanted to come on.
Speaker 3: And just share a few thoughts as we enter into
Speaker 3: another week of this nightmare. I just want to say,
Speaker 3: first of all, thank you so much for all of
Speaker 3: the prayers and the love that we have felt, my
Speaker 3: sister and brother and I and that our mom has felt.
Speaker 3: Because we believe that somehow, in some ways, she is
Speaker 3: feeling these prayers and that God is lifting her even
Speaker 3: in this moment and in the darkest place, we believe
Speaker 3: our mom is still out there.
Speaker 4: We need your help.
Speaker 3: Law enforcement is working tirelessly around the clock trying to
Speaker 3: bring her home, trying to find her. She was taken
Speaker 3: and we don't know where, and we need your help.
Speaker 3: So I'm coming on just to ask you, not just
Speaker 3: for your prayers, but no matter where you are, even
Speaker 3: if you're far from Tucson, if you see anything, you
Speaker 3: hear anything, if there's anything at all that seems strange
Speaker 3: to you that you report to law enforcement. We are
Speaker 3: an hour of desperation.
Speaker 2: And we need your help, multiple times saying we need
Speaker 2: your help. It's an hour of desperation as we now
Speaker 2: approach this more consequential deadline. Yes, the message that came
Speaker 2: out this weekend was far more cryptic to me, more scripted,
Speaker 2: which probably was coordinated with law enforcement. We'll get Nancy
Speaker 2: Grace's take on in a second. Here's what she said
Speaker 2: this weekend.
Speaker 4: We received your message, and we understand.
Speaker 3: We beg you now to return our mother to us
Speaker 3: so that we can celebrate with her.
Speaker 4: This is the only way we will have peace.
Speaker 6: This is very valuable to us, and we will pay
Speaker 6: all right.
Speaker 2: Nancy Grace joins us now, of course with crime stories
Speaker 2: with Nancy Grace on Serious also Fox Nation. A very
Speaker 2: different message today, but we're now approaching that consequential deadline.
Speaker 7: Well, Jean, I didn't know that it could be more
Speaker 7: heartbreaking until we hear Savannah state, we are at an
Speaker 7: hour of desperation. And for anyone that's ever been in
Speaker 7: a position where you feel you are about to lose
Speaker 7: something you love the most, in the world and not
Speaker 7: being able to do anything about it. To be totally
Speaker 7: at the mercy of someone you don't know that it's
Speaker 7: picked you out of millions of people to torture and
Speaker 7: take your mother. It's just to hear her voice. It's excruciating,
Speaker 7: which leads me to something you asked me earlier today.
Speaker 7: Do I think there has been another message in addition
Speaker 7: to the two ransom related messages sent through media? I
Speaker 7: think that now it's very possible. Does this mean they
Speaker 7: haven't heard anything? They have no reason to hope they'll
Speaker 7: get their mom back. They're begging the public us to help.
Speaker 2: You see when And I've had so many friends contact
Speaker 2: me over the weekend, and I contacted you because there's
Speaker 2: nobody better at figuring this out, or anyone that has
Speaker 2: more experience. But we received your message. We understand it
Speaker 2: sounded like the possible other message was sent.
Speaker 1: That's how I interpreted it.
Speaker 2: And then I got nervous when I heard the words celebrate,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, all right, does she talking about a celebration
Speaker 2: of life? And then I wrote you, I said, but
Speaker 2: the keywords afterwards celebrate with her? And then it sounds
Speaker 2: a little more cryptic. This is the only way we
Speaker 2: will have peace. This is very valuable to us, and
Speaker 2: we will pay. I think you agree with me that
Speaker 2: that was written in coordination with law enforcement.
Speaker 7: Right well, I know Savannah, and Savannah can add lib
Speaker 7: off the top of her head. She couldn't do her
Speaker 7: job on the Today Show if she couldn't roll with
Speaker 7: the punches, because you don't know what the guests might say.
Speaker 7: It's not all scripted, but I saw her. I was
Speaker 7: watching her, and she she made a statement, and then
Speaker 7: she looked down and paused, and she was looking at
Speaker 7: a script. It was scripted, not necessarily this one where
Speaker 7: she's begging for our help, but where she was saying,
Speaker 7: we will pay. And you're right. When I heard celebrate,
Speaker 7: I first thought celebration of life, and my stomach just
Speaker 7: clenched because I thought she believed her mom is dead.
Speaker 7: But you're right, you caught it. Celebrate with her as
Speaker 7: if they're going to celebrate a homecoming. But this very
Speaker 7: last message from Savannah in her hour of desperation, as
Speaker 7: she puts it, tells me that they don't have any
Speaker 7: hope right now. You know what I was thinking all long, shance,
Speaker 7: Maybe they are onto something and they're not letting it
Speaker 7: onto us. Maybe they have an idea, have a being
Speaker 7: on a potential suspect, but this suggests they are truly
Speaker 7: at the end of their road. They got nothing.
Speaker 2: That's what that's that's what I'm taking out of it.
Speaker 2: And here's what else stands out to me. And I
Speaker 2: always assumed that there was a pathway to payment, and
Speaker 2: we will pay. Is very valuable to us, we will pay.
Speaker 2: And then couple that with today's message, and I'm thinking
Speaker 2: they might not have been given instructions on how to pay,
Speaker 2: except maybe I heard there was a bitcoin they wanted
Speaker 2: to be paid in bitcoin.
Speaker 1: But does that mean they gave an account?
Speaker 7: Well, according to Levin, he checked the account and the
Speaker 7: account was verified. It's a real account now as of
Speaker 7: a couple of hours ago. Levin states that no money
Speaker 7: has been put into that account. But I was looking
Speaker 7: at certain words she said, and her next to the
Speaker 7: last message beg celebrate peace, valuable. Understand those are embedded commands.
Speaker 7: That's what no negotiators call words that Savannah stressed beg
Speaker 7: celebrate peace, valuable. And it's almost as if she had
Speaker 7: been asked, do you understand, and she said, we understand that,
Speaker 7: to me is an answer to a question.
Speaker 2: That's what makes us think that there might be a
Speaker 2: there might have been another note that nobody knows about.
Speaker 2: So if you're in this situation now, it is interesting
Speaker 2: because I guess there's different.
Speaker 1: Points of view there is.
Speaker 2: For example, Michael Harrington, who oversaw the FBID National Academy, says,
Speaker 2: proof of life is everything. If there's no two way
Speaker 2: back and forth or no way to communicate with this individual,
Speaker 2: assuming there's an individual or individuals, no good comes from
Speaker 2: sending the money. I don't really think that's going to
Speaker 2: be an option for them. And she said as much
Speaker 2: that we will pay.
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, Sean, could you sit back and think, well,
Speaker 7: I didn't get the proof of life I wanted. I'm
Speaker 7: not sending the money and then regret it for the
Speaker 7: rest of your life.
Speaker 1: I couldn't live with myself.
Speaker 7: No. No, the grandma's house is worth a million dollars
Speaker 7: pocket get a loan, get the money, do it, go
Speaker 7: fund me, do whatever you've got to do. And if
Speaker 7: you lose the money, you lose the money that you
Speaker 7: cannot take a chance with your mother's life. And I'm
Speaker 7: telling you, Sean, we keep hearing from these so called experts. Well,
Speaker 7: there hasn't been proof of life. We don't know what
Speaker 7: was in those missives. We don't know everything. It doesn't
Speaker 7: have to be a picture or a video which can
Speaker 7: easily be manipulated. It could be something that only the
Speaker 7: mom knows that nobody else knows, like her childhood name.
Speaker 7: Who knew that Queen of England was saying a little
Speaker 7: bit until you know just a few years ago. Nobody
Speaker 7: knows secret names, pets, names, home phone number that used
Speaker 7: to be on your childhood anything. It doesn't have to
Speaker 7: be a video, it doesn't have to be a picture.
Speaker 7: They could have gotten information in one of those notes
Speaker 7: that revealed they have missus Guthrie, and they're certainly seeming
Speaker 7: to take them seriously. So all of those so called
Speaker 7: experts that are pooh poohing the idea of sending the money,
Speaker 7: let's see what you would do in the same situation.
Speaker 2: I hate when people, you know, make judgments about what
Speaker 2: are the people would do in a circumstance like those.
Speaker 2: It drives me crazy. Why do you think law enforcement
Speaker 2: keeps returning to this home? And they took a cli
Speaker 2: far away and then a report that they were spotted
Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon yesterday searching a septic tank behind the house
Speaker 2: and putting long poles into the septic tank.
Speaker 1: What do you make.
Speaker 7: Of that, Well, there's two ways to look at it. One,
Speaker 7: they got information, a tip or some other information that
Speaker 7: they should go check the septic tank. And again for
Speaker 7: city folks that are on so called city water and
Speaker 7: city septics, you don't have a septic tank. Country people
Speaker 7: or people out in the desert. In this case, they
Speaker 7: have a sept tank.
Speaker 2: My last home I had a septic tank. Is that overflowed.
Speaker 2: It was not pleasant, not.
Speaker 7: Pleasant at all. So it could have been a matter
Speaker 7: of their talking and they go, wait, does she have
Speaker 7: a septic tank? We better go check it. And if
Speaker 7: you look at the instrument they were using, they weren't
Speaker 7: just poking around with a stick. According to an expert
Speaker 7: that I spoke with that specialty is finding missing people.
Speaker 7: There was another device and they were looking down and
Speaker 7: there was a light and potentially a camera. I think
Speaker 7: of course they were looking for a body, of course,
Speaker 7: but because the manhole used was big enough to put
Speaker 7: a body into, but there had already been out a scent.
Speaker 7: Dogs and cadaver dogs. We've been told, so a cadaver
Speaker 7: dog would led straight to that. So I think they
Speaker 7: were looking for something that may have been flushed down
Speaker 7: the commode. Think about a knife, Think about something that
Speaker 7: it may be difficult but that is flushable, Something that
Speaker 7: was carried out to the septic tank and dropped in there.
Speaker 7: It could even be any number of things that I
Speaker 7: think they were crossing their t's and dotting their eyes.
Speaker 7: I don't think they thought they were going to find
Speaker 7: Nancy Guffrie at a septic tank. But also concerning is
Speaker 7: the search of the sister Savannah's sister Annie's home, because
Speaker 7: they were there late at night, they didn't live till
Speaker 7: nearly eleven o'clock, and they were viewed by media taking
Speaker 7: pictures with slash photography throughout the house from the garage
Speaker 7: to the other end of the house. They left again,
Speaker 7: we think, with a celebrate, which is a you said
Speaker 7: that you and I talked about the other night on Fox,
Speaker 7: which downloads all digital information. It can be deleted, it
Speaker 7: can be encrypted, it doesn't matter, they'll get it. Why
Speaker 7: were they back again at Annie's with celebrates? They also
Speaker 7: came out with paper bags, which we all know carry evidence.
Speaker 7: If you carry a plastic bag and there's any moisture,
Speaker 7: it can degenerate the evidence. It can plastic can also
Speaker 7: remove finger prints or even DNA, so always paper. They
Speaker 7: came out with paper bags. What did they get don't know,
Speaker 7: but they got something. And one more thing before I
Speaker 7: lose my train of thought, Sean, they've already been in
Speaker 7: the home, we believe once with a celebrate a You said,
Speaker 7: what does that mean? I'm deducing that did someone get
Speaker 7: a message such as you're suggesting, on a phone, a text,
Speaker 7: and there they have got on back in with the
Speaker 7: celebrate to try to trace it. I mean, it does
Speaker 7: make sense, It makes.
Speaker 1: A lot of sense.
Speaker 2: What doesn't make sense is an eighty four year old
Speaker 2: woman being taken like this. That just does not make sense.
Speaker 2: And as far as the septic tank, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: It doesn't fit the trail of blood leaving it leading
Speaker 2: out of the house, or what we learned in the
Speaker 2: very beginning of all of this. It's just frustrating. One
Speaker 2: of the things that you know, a lot of people
Speaker 2: have raised the question why there's been so much attention.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. There's a lot of attention. Number one,
Speaker 1: she's famous.
Speaker 2: Number two. You can't believe this would happen. But it
Speaker 2: also to me, it highlights something that's always been very
Speaker 2: important to me, which is that every life matters.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That's why I've spent twenty years scrolling names that nobody's
Speaker 2: ever heard of, of people shot and shot and killed
Speaker 2: in cities like New York City or Chicago, and just
Speaker 2: to make a point that you know, we can save lives,
Speaker 2: we can ensure law and order and safety and security
Speaker 2: for every person, and that every life does matter, and
Speaker 2: it is a gift from God, and we ought to
Speaker 2: put a very high value on all of it. You're amazing,
Speaker 2: You're so generous with your time. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: We'll know a lot more when you're on the air tonight,
Speaker 2: I assume with us on Hannity, Nancy Grace, the one
Speaker 2: and only.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you, frand goodbye.