WEBVTT - Reckless Words, Real-World Consequences 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.359 Thanks to all of you for being with us. 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:04.040 Write down our toll free telephone number if you want 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:06.840 to be a part of the program. Just moments ago, 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:12.600 Savannah Guthrie on her own put out a new statement, 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.439 and we're going to play this a especially in relation 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:20.279 to what she put out this weekend. And here is 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:21.639 what she said moments ago. 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:28.800 Hi, there, everybody. I wanted to come on and just 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:35.560 share a few thoughts as we enter into another week 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:41.919 of this nightmare. I just want to say, first of all, 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:48.640 thank you so much for all of the prayers and 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.400 the love that we have felt, my sister and brother 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:56.680 and I, and that our mom has felt. 0:00:58.600 --> 0:00:59.639 Because we believe that. 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.200 Somehow, in some way, she is feeling these prayers and 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.319 that God is lifting her even in this moment and 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:11.760 in the darkest place, we believe our mom is still 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:20.680 out there. We need your help. Law enforcement is working 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.720 tirelessly around the clock trying to bring her home, trying 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:25.320 to find her. 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:28.640 She was taken and we don't know where. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:36.360 And we need your help. So I'm coming on just 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.560 to ask you, not just for your prayers, but no 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.160 matter where you are, even if you're far from Tucson, 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.680 if you see anything you hear anything, if there's anything 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:51.559 at all that seems strange to you, that you report 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:56.040 to law enforcement. We are at an hour of desperation, 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:57.920 and we need your. 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:05.160 Help, and we need her help. Obviously, a plea for desperation. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:09.519 Now about three hours away from what was what Harvey 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.359 Levin told us it's from TMZ was a far more 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:18.000 consequential second deadline, and we're less than three hours away 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:23.240 from that now local time, seven o'clock Eastern time. Fox 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.240 News legal analyst Greg Jarrard for years you may not remember, 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.760 may recall that he worked for Court TV. You spent 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.440 a lot of time analyzing a lot of different cases. 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:38.760 What I hear in that message is just desperation, frustration, 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.440 but also belief that their mom is still out there. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:46.360 Yeah, I hear that too. She described it as a nightmare, 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:51.520 and it is surely that the darkest place, she said, 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:57.320 and approaching the hour of desperation. You know, today's a 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.760 pivotal day, and you know, Sean, this is I think 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:05.400 a frantic race against the clock to save the life 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:09.720 of Nancy Guthrie. And we have this, you know, five 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:15.440 pm deadline fast approaching. The FBI and an army of 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:21.119 people hoping to find her before the ransom ultimatum has 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.320 to be paid. And you know, the family is said 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:28.679 it will pay the bitcoin demand for her safe return, 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:33.840 but there's no way of knowing if the suspected kidnappers 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.800 can be trusted to keep their word. And that's why 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.040 you hear such torment and agony in the voice of 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:45.840 Savannah Guthrie. And I'm sure what troubles her deeply is 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:51.440 the failure to provide some proof of life, at least 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:55.120 in a conventional sense, which would be perhaps a photograph, 0:03:55.200 --> 0:04:00.000 an audio video, something. And you know that raises true 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:06.000 troubling questions. Why won't they do that? You know, is 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.640 this really a kidnapping for ransom? Nobody can say for sure, 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:15.040 but clearly Savannah is operating on that. And I'm certain 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:19.240 that the FBI has been working around the clock, hundreds 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:23.880 and hundreds of agents and experts trying to uncover this, 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.520 you know, well disguised digital footprint left behind and the 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:33.560 various email demands sent to the media outlet. But you know, 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:39.200 these people used a secure encrypted server, They concealed the 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.599 sender's location, they hid the IP address. That makes it 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:51.400 difficult to penetrate, and sadly others have created deep bakes, 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:55.799 which have only you know, made the challenge even harder 0:04:56.000 --> 0:05:00.479 for the FBI. The bitcoin account, that's another avenue for cracking, 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:04.320 but that one's difficult as well. And meanwhile, the clock 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:08.919 is ticking down, and law enforcement is i think, pursuing 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:14.680 every conceivable avenue, even the old fashioned traditional shoe other methods, 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:18.039 is searching for evidence at her, near the scene and 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:19.880 probably elsewhere. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:26.800 Sean Well, I found this message to be very, very 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.880 different because I've also looked at it. She's not on script. 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:35.880 This seems to be just a heartfelt thank you to everybody, 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.720 in a plea to everybody to you know, please help 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.159 that they're at an hour of desperation. To use her words. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:48.800 It also seems that she believes that her mother is alive, 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.880 that she was taken. We don't know where we need 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.040 your help. I'm coming to ask not just for your prayers, 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:57.880 but no matter where you are, even if you're not 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.039 even if you're far from Tucson, of he see or 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.440 hear anything, if there is anything at all that seems 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:08.040 strange to you, please report it to law enforcement. Which 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.080 is a little bit different than maybe the cryptic message 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.520 that I felt, which would be very normal by the way, 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:18.680 I don't want this to be misinterpreted. Seemed to be 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:27.160 very scripted on message, coordinated with law enforcement. And this 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:31.680 is the one that said that we will pay. We 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.640 receive your message. We understand. We beg you now to 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.520 return our mother to us so we can celebrate with her. 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.120 The words with her gave me some hope when I 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.640 heard celebrate immediately the first time I listened to it 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:48.919 many times, I said, oh, that sounded like maybe she 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.400 had information that maybe she thought that this would be 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.280 a celebration of life. But she said with her, this 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.200 is the only way we will have peace. That seemed 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.520 cryptic to me. This is very value to us, not 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.600 in a way that a communicator like Savannah Guthrie would 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.840 I think normally speak, and we will pay. 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.279 That's how it ends. Let me play for you. 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.440 We received your message, and we understand. 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:18.000 We beg you now to return our mother to us 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:19.560 so that we can celebrate with her. 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:22.400 This is the only way we will have peace. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:28.320 This is very valuable to us, and we will pay. 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:28.720 Now. 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.200 I've had a million people interpret that a million different ways. 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.120 I just prefer to focus on the idea that she's 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:39.120 still alive. And you know, with the deadline now approaching 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:42.920 the second deadline that Harvey Levin described as far more consequential, 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:49.760 meaning dire, that I think this last message is like, Okay, 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:55.440 we're not getting anywhere even with the willingness to pay. 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.080 What are your thoughts, what do you think the next 0:07:58.160 --> 0:07:59.680 best step for them would be? 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:07.560 Well, it is terribly frustrating and heartbreaking to hear this 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:12.920 most recent message. It's a message of desperation as we 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:18.840 get close to that important hour. And so you know, 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:23.440 Savannah is saying, please, if you see anything, you hear anything, 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:29.560 let law enforcement know about it, which sort of suggests 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:33.800 obviously that law enforcement is no closer to solving this 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:39.880 case than they were perhaps from the beginning, you know, 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:44.240 which I find bewildering because the FBI is so adapt 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.640 as you and I have discussed at using the most 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:54.920 advanced technology system analytics, even AI assisted crime analysis, and 0:08:56.000 --> 0:09:01.080 you know, it's multifaceted. In addition to try to sort 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:06.240 of penetrate the demand notes, they've also been examining all 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:10.079 the cell phone activity connected to the forty one towers 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:14.000 in a three mile radius. It may have been that 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:18.720 the culprits did not bring mobile phones with them. Maybe 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:23.000 they had bernerfhones. And I'm sure the FBI has been 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:27.360 scouring all those street camera footage and surveillance to try 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.320 to trace vehicles between the hours of one am and 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.040 three AM when Nancy is believed to have been abducted. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.600 There are licensed plate readers, dozens of them in that 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:44.599 general area. But as I discussed before with you, you know, 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:50.199 smart criminals often steal plates, and so all you can 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:55.640 really get here make models and colors. The difficulty here 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:00.400 is exacerbated by the remoteness of that neighborhood in a 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.920 very secluded region. The house is set back, blocked by 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:09.360 desert foliage, no street lines, So that makes it so 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.959 hard for anybody that night to have seen or heard 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.240 anything in the darkness of the night. 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:20.280 And let me ask a hard question, because and it's 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:24.480 not hard for me. Michael Harrigan, who oversaw the FBI 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:28.520 National Academy, says, the proof of life is everything. But 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.920 if there's no two way here, which there's not, obviously, 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.760 no good comes from sending the money they said we 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:41.800 will pay. With the deadline. The second deadline now approaching. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:44.960 It sounds like that they are going to do that, 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.880 and I don't know what that means or what you 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:49.360 can expect or from that. 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:57.000 Well, it's frustrating. Excuse me, when you have no direct 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:01.800 communication and it's it is highly unusual. I mean, I've 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:06.560 never heard of it. Usually there's some sort of back 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:12.559 and forth, there is some communication established so you can 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:18.320 work out the details of the exchange money for the 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:22.600 human life. But here there's none of that. It's just 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:32.360 demands sent via emails to the media. And so I mean, 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:38.599 I suppose that these suspected kidnappers are you know, examining 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:43.360 the bitcoin account, waiting for the money to arrive, and 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.440 maybe it has, maybe it will be in the next 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.280 couple of hours. You know, we don't know. Savannah said 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:58.079 we will pay. So it is truly a very different, bizarre, 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:06.840 odd mysterious way of you know, kidnapping and demand for ransom. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:11.680 But it has apparently befuddled the best in law enforcement 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.120 so far, it really. 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:18.600 Has, and I'm sure frustrating for them. I don't really 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.040 think there's an option. I think that you just, you know, 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:27.720 as this deadline fast approaches, if anybody puts themselves in 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.000 her shoes. I think paying is probably the right call. 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:32.280 What are your thoughts? 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:37.720 Oh, I absolutely agree. You know, you would pay the 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.880 money to get your loved one back, any amount of money, 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.080 and so, you know, I think that's the only choice here. 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:54.880 Pay the money and then wait and hope and pray that. Uh, 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.960 you know, the safe return of Nancy Guthrie is immin it. 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.080 But that is another challenge for the kidnappers. You know, 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:07.400 how do they do that without getting caught? You know, 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.760 do you leave her in a remote area then send 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.600 a message to a media outlet as to where she is. 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.320 You know, you don't want to let her off in 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.440 a place that's busy because you know, that's where you 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:25.640 get caught with cameras and surveillance and people seeing things. 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.440 So you know, it's a very it's kind of mind 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.560 numbing with all the technology we have and all the 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:37.480 cameras that are everywhere, that nothing has has pop that 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.280 we know of, and I assume we don't know everything 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:41.600 that law enforcement is doing. 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.199 Yeah, we don't know what they have. And I am 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:51.040 sure that they are pursuing possible leads, some of them 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:55.680 result in a dead end. We hope they have one 0:13:55.760 --> 0:14:00.280 that comes to fruition and can bring her back. But 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.680 you know, I think I would never faul to the FBI. 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.440 I think they've done their level best. You know, President 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:13.080 Trump was on this telling everybody in the federal government 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:17.720 it's all hands on deck. Everybody needs to contribute, and 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:21.320 I'm sure they have been, but you know, it's one 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.400 of those exceedingly difficult cases. 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.520 Well, we appreciate you taking time with us, Greg Jarrett. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.400 We'll get people's reaction to this as well and all 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.600 the other news of the day. Eight hundred and nine 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.760 fourt one Shawn is a toll free telephone number. If 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:37.840 you want to be a part of the program. 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Unlike the message yesterday, 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.920 which we'll compare it to, it seemed like she was 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.600 looking straight at the camera, speaking straight from her heart extemporaneously. 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:34.840 Here's what she said. 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:39.560 Hi, there, everybody. I wanted to come on. 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:47.600 And just share a few thoughts as we enter into 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:54.240 another week of this nightmare. I just want to say, 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:58.720 first of all, thank you so much for all of 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:04.359 the prayers and the love that we have felt, my 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:09.040 sister and brother and I and that our mom has felt. 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:15.359 Because we believe that somehow, in some ways, she is 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.320 feeling these prayers and that God is lifting her even 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:23.800 in this moment and in the darkest place, we believe 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:25.040 our mom is still out there. 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:29.000 We need your help. 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:36.399 Law enforcement is working tirelessly around the clock trying to 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.320 bring her home, trying to find her. She was taken 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:44.040 and we don't know where, and we need your help. 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.679 So I'm coming on just to ask you, not just 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.760 for your prayers, but no matter where you are, even 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.600 if you're far from Tucson, if you see anything, you 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.680 hear anything, if there's anything at all that seems strange 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:07.040 to you that you report to law enforcement. We are 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.440 an hour of desperation. 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:14.320 And we need your help, multiple times saying we need 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.920 your help. It's an hour of desperation as we now 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:21.840 approach this more consequential deadline. Yes, the message that came 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.800 out this weekend was far more cryptic to me, more scripted, 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.720 which probably was coordinated with law enforcement. We'll get Nancy 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.080 Grace's take on in a second. Here's what she said 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:32.680 this weekend. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.919 We received your message, and we understand. 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:40.480 We beg you now to return our mother to us 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:42.040 so that we can celebrate with her. 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:44.879 This is the only way we will have peace. 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:51.200 This is very valuable to us, and we will pay 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:51.600 all right. 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.959 Nancy Grace joins us now, of course with crime stories 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:59.840 with Nancy Grace on Serious also Fox Nation. A very 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:04.040 different message today, but we're now approaching that consequential deadline. 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:09.320 Well, Jean, I didn't know that it could be more 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:13.680 heartbreaking until we hear Savannah state, we are at an 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:18.840 hour of desperation. And for anyone that's ever been in 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.760 a position where you feel you are about to lose 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:28.360 something you love the most, in the world and not 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:32.960 being able to do anything about it. To be totally 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.400 at the mercy of someone you don't know that it's 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:40.800 picked you out of millions of people to torture and 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:46.920 take your mother. It's just to hear her voice. It's excruciating, 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:51.479 which leads me to something you asked me earlier today. 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:55.160 Do I think there has been another message in addition 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:59.479 to the two ransom related messages sent through media? I 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:05.000 think that now it's very possible. Does this mean they 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:09.080 haven't heard anything? They have no reason to hope they'll 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:13.919 get their mom back. They're begging the public us to help. 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:20.080 You see when And I've had so many friends contact 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:23.640 me over the weekend, and I contacted you because there's 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:27.280 nobody better at figuring this out, or anyone that has 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:32.199 more experience. But we received your message. We understand it 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.520 sounded like the possible other message was sent. 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:37.000 That's how I interpreted it. 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.560 And then I got nervous when I heard the words celebrate, 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.040 I'm thinking, all right, does she talking about a celebration 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:44.639 of life? And then I wrote you, I said, but 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:49.320 the keywords afterwards celebrate with her? And then it sounds 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:51.320 a little more cryptic. This is the only way we 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.960 will have peace. This is very valuable to us, and 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:59.440 we will pay. I think you agree with me that 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.880 that was written in coordination with law enforcement. 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:08.520 Right well, I know Savannah, and Savannah can add lib 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:10.639 off the top of her head. She couldn't do her 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.119 job on the Today Show if she couldn't roll with 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:15.639 the punches, because you don't know what the guests might say. 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.840 It's not all scripted, but I saw her. I was 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:24.159 watching her, and she she made a statement, and then 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.760 she looked down and paused, and she was looking at 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:32.600 a script. It was scripted, not necessarily this one where 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.760 she's begging for our help, but where she was saying, 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:40.440 we will pay. And you're right. When I heard celebrate, 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:43.719 I first thought celebration of life, and my stomach just 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.520 clenched because I thought she believed her mom is dead. 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:53.400 But you're right, you caught it. Celebrate with her as 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:57.440 if they're going to celebrate a homecoming. But this very 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:02.760 last message from Savannah in her hour of desperation, as 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:06.520 she puts it, tells me that they don't have any 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.919 hope right now. You know what I was thinking all long, shance, 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.439 Maybe they are onto something and they're not letting it 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:16.560 onto us. Maybe they have an idea, have a being 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:22.120 on a potential suspect, but this suggests they are truly 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:24.920 at the end of their road. They got nothing. 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.360 That's what that's that's what I'm taking out of it. 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:33.040 And here's what else stands out to me. And I 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:38.359 always assumed that there was a pathway to payment, and 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:41.840 we will pay. Is very valuable to us, we will pay. 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:45.959 And then couple that with today's message, and I'm thinking 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:51.560 they might not have been given instructions on how to pay, 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.560 except maybe I heard there was a bitcoin they wanted 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:55.560 to be paid in bitcoin. 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:57.640 But does that mean they gave an account? 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:03.359 Well, according to Levin, he checked the account and the 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:06.879 account was verified. It's a real account now as of 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:11.160 a couple of hours ago. Levin states that no money 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:14.679 has been put into that account. But I was looking 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:18.000 at certain words she said, and her next to the 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:27.879 last message beg celebrate peace, valuable. Understand those are embedded commands. 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:33.720 That's what no negotiators call words that Savannah stressed beg 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:40.280 celebrate peace, valuable. And it's almost as if she had 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:46.040 been asked, do you understand, and she said, we understand that, 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:48.320 to me is an answer to a question. 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:52.320 That's what makes us think that there might be a 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:55.040 there might have been another note that nobody knows about. 0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:58.840 So if you're in this situation now, it is interesting 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:00.960 because I guess there's different. 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:01.600 Points of view there is. 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:06.560 For example, Michael Harrington, who oversaw the FBID National Academy, says, 0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:09.760 proof of life is everything. If there's no two way 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:14.560 back and forth or no way to communicate with this individual, 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:19.919 assuming there's an individual or individuals, no good comes from 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:23.040 sending the money. I don't really think that's going to 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:24.840 be an option for them. And she said as much 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:26.400 that we will pay. 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.880 Well, I mean, Sean, could you sit back and think, well, 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:32.800 I didn't get the proof of life I wanted. I'm 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:35.240 not sending the money and then regret it for the 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:36.320 rest of your life. 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:38.080 I couldn't live with myself. 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:43.280 No. No, the grandma's house is worth a million dollars 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.680 pocket get a loan, get the money, do it, go 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:49.600 fund me, do whatever you've got to do. And if 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:51.679 you lose the money, you lose the money that you 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:53.760 cannot take a chance with your mother's life. And I'm 0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:57.399 telling you, Sean, we keep hearing from these so called experts. Well, 0:24:57.440 --> 0:24:59.600 there hasn't been proof of life. We don't know what 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:03.440 was in those missives. We don't know everything. It doesn't 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:05.520 have to be a picture or a video which can 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:08.399 easily be manipulated. It could be something that only the 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:12.680 mom knows that nobody else knows, like her childhood name. 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:15.560 Who knew that Queen of England was saying a little 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:19.120 bit until you know just a few years ago. Nobody 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:23.320 knows secret names, pets, names, home phone number that used 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:27.159 to be on your childhood anything. It doesn't have to 0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:28.919 be a video, it doesn't have to be a picture. 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:31.600 They could have gotten information in one of those notes 0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:36.680 that revealed they have missus Guthrie, and they're certainly seeming 0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:40.640 to take them seriously. So all of those so called 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:44.080 experts that are pooh poohing the idea of sending the money, 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:46.400 let's see what you would do in the same situation. 0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:50.320 I hate when people, you know, make judgments about what 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:52.399 are the people would do in a circumstance like those. 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:56.280 It drives me crazy. Why do you think law enforcement 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:59.920 keeps returning to this home? And they took a cli 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:04.160 far away and then a report that they were spotted 0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:08.119 Sunday afternoon yesterday searching a septic tank behind the house 0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:11.280 and putting long poles into the septic tank. 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:13.200 What do you make. 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:17.120 Of that, Well, there's two ways to look at it. One, 0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:21.040 they got information, a tip or some other information that 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:24.280 they should go check the septic tank. And again for 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:27.800 city folks that are on so called city water and 0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:31.040 city septics, you don't have a septic tank. Country people 0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:33.760 or people out in the desert. In this case, they 0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:34.760 have a sept tank. 0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:37.399 My last home I had a septic tank. Is that overflowed. 0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.280 It was not pleasant, not. 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.560 Pleasant at all. So it could have been a matter 0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:45.800