1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,359 Speaker 1: Thanks to all of you for being with us. 2 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 2: Write down our toll free telephone number if you want 3 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: to be a part of the program. Just moments ago, 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: Savannah Guthrie on her own put out a new statement, 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: and we're going to play this a especially in relation 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: to what she put out this weekend. And here is 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 2: what she said moments ago. 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: Hi, there, everybody. I wanted to come on and just 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 3: share a few thoughts as we enter into another week 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 3: of this nightmare. I just want to say, first of all, 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 3: thank you so much for all of the prayers and 12 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: the love that we have felt, my sister and brother 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: and I, and that our mom has felt. 14 00:00:58,600 --> 00:00:59,639 Speaker 4: Because we believe that. 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 3: Somehow, in some way, she is feeling these prayers and 16 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 3: that God is lifting her even in this moment and 17 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 3: in the darkest place, we believe our mom is still 18 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 3: out there. We need your help. Law enforcement is working 19 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 3: tirelessly around the clock trying to bring her home, trying 20 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 3: to find her. 21 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 4: She was taken and we don't know where. 22 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: And we need your help. So I'm coming on just 23 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: to ask you, not just for your prayers, but no 24 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: matter where you are, even if you're far from Tucson, 25 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 3: if you see anything you hear anything, if there's anything 26 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 3: at all that seems strange to you, that you report 27 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: to law enforcement. We are at an hour of desperation, 28 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 3: and we need your. 29 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: Help, and we need her help. Obviously, a plea for desperation. 30 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 2: Now about three hours away from what was what Harvey 31 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 2: Levin told us it's from TMZ was a far more 32 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: consequential second deadline, and we're less than three hours away 33 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: from that now local time, seven o'clock Eastern time. Fox 34 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: News legal analyst Greg Jarrard for years you may not remember, 35 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: may recall that he worked for Court TV. You spent 36 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: a lot of time analyzing a lot of different cases. 37 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: What I hear in that message is just desperation, frustration, 38 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: but also belief that their mom is still out there. 39 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I hear that too. She described it as a nightmare, 40 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 5: and it is surely that the darkest place, she said, 41 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 5: and approaching the hour of desperation. You know, today's a 42 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 5: pivotal day, and you know, Sean, this is I think 43 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 5: a frantic race against the clock to save the life 44 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 5: of Nancy Guthrie. And we have this, you know, five 45 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 5: pm deadline fast approaching. The FBI and an army of 46 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 5: people hoping to find her before the ransom ultimatum has 47 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 5: to be paid. And you know, the family is said 48 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 5: it will pay the bitcoin demand for her safe return, 49 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 5: but there's no way of knowing if the suspected kidnappers 50 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 5: can be trusted to keep their word. And that's why 51 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 5: you hear such torment and agony in the voice of 52 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 5: Savannah Guthrie. And I'm sure what troubles her deeply is 53 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 5: the failure to provide some proof of life, at least 54 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 5: in a conventional sense, which would be perhaps a photograph, 55 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 5: an audio video, something. And you know that raises true 56 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 5: troubling questions. Why won't they do that? You know, is 57 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 5: this really a kidnapping for ransom? Nobody can say for sure, 58 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 5: but clearly Savannah is operating on that. And I'm certain 59 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 5: that the FBI has been working around the clock, hundreds 60 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 5: and hundreds of agents and experts trying to uncover this, 61 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 5: you know, well disguised digital footprint left behind and the 62 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 5: various email demands sent to the media outlet. But you know, 63 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 5: these people used a secure encrypted server, They concealed the 64 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 5: sender's location, they hid the IP address. That makes it 65 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 5: difficult to penetrate, and sadly others have created deep bakes, 66 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,799 Speaker 5: which have only you know, made the challenge even harder 67 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 5: for the FBI. The bitcoin account, that's another avenue for cracking, 68 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 5: but that one's difficult as well. And meanwhile, the clock 69 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 5: is ticking down, and law enforcement is i think, pursuing 70 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 5: every conceivable avenue, even the old fashioned traditional shoe other methods, 71 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 5: is searching for evidence at her, near the scene and 72 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 5: probably elsewhere. 73 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: Sean Well, I found this message to be very, very 74 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: different because I've also looked at it. She's not on script. 75 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: This seems to be just a heartfelt thank you to everybody, 76 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 2: in a plea to everybody to you know, please help 77 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 2: that they're at an hour of desperation. To use her words. 78 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: It also seems that she believes that her mother is alive, 79 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: that she was taken. We don't know where we need 80 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: your help. I'm coming to ask not just for your prayers, 81 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: but no matter where you are, even if you're not 82 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 2: even if you're far from Tucson, of he see or 83 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: hear anything, if there is anything at all that seems 84 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: strange to you, please report it to law enforcement. Which 85 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: is a little bit different than maybe the cryptic message 86 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: that I felt, which would be very normal by the way, 87 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: I don't want this to be misinterpreted. Seemed to be 88 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 2: very scripted on message, coordinated with law enforcement. And this 89 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: is the one that said that we will pay. We 90 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: receive your message. We understand. We beg you now to 91 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: return our mother to us so we can celebrate with her. 92 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: The words with her gave me some hope when I 93 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: heard celebrate immediately the first time I listened to it 94 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 2: many times, I said, oh, that sounded like maybe she 95 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: had information that maybe she thought that this would be 96 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 2: a celebration of life. But she said with her, this 97 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: is the only way we will have peace. That seemed 98 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: cryptic to me. This is very value to us, not 99 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 2: in a way that a communicator like Savannah Guthrie would 100 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 2: I think normally speak, and we will pay. 101 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: That's how it ends. Let me play for you. 102 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 4: We received your message, and we understand. 103 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: We beg you now to return our mother to us 104 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: so that we can celebrate with her. 105 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 4: This is the only way we will have peace. 106 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 6: This is very valuable to us, and we will pay. 107 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: Now. 108 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: I've had a million people interpret that a million different ways. 109 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: I just prefer to focus on the idea that she's 110 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: still alive. And you know, with the deadline now approaching 111 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: the second deadline that Harvey Levin described as far more consequential, 112 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: meaning dire, that I think this last message is like, Okay, 113 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: we're not getting anywhere even with the willingness to pay. 114 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts, what do you think the next 115 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: best step for them would be? 116 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 5: Well, it is terribly frustrating and heartbreaking to hear this 117 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 5: most recent message. It's a message of desperation as we 118 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 5: get close to that important hour. And so you know, 119 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 5: Savannah is saying, please, if you see anything, you hear anything, 120 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 5: let law enforcement know about it, which sort of suggests 121 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 5: obviously that law enforcement is no closer to solving this 122 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 5: case than they were perhaps from the beginning, you know, 123 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 5: which I find bewildering because the FBI is so adapt 124 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 5: as you and I have discussed at using the most 125 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 5: advanced technology system analytics, even AI assisted crime analysis, and 126 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 5: you know, it's multifaceted. In addition to try to sort 127 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 5: of penetrate the demand notes, they've also been examining all 128 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 5: the cell phone activity connected to the forty one towers 129 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 5: in a three mile radius. It may have been that 130 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 5: the culprits did not bring mobile phones with them. Maybe 131 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 5: they had bernerfhones. And I'm sure the FBI has been 132 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 5: scouring all those street camera footage and surveillance to try 133 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 5: to trace vehicles between the hours of one am and 134 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 5: three AM when Nancy is believed to have been abducted. 135 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 5: There are licensed plate readers, dozens of them in that 136 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:44,599 Speaker 5: general area. But as I discussed before with you, you know, 137 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 5: smart criminals often steal plates, and so all you can 138 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 5: really get here make models and colors. The difficulty here 139 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 5: is exacerbated by the remoteness of that neighborhood in a 140 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 5: very secluded region. The house is set back, blocked by 141 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 5: desert foliage, no street lines, So that makes it so 142 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 5: hard for anybody that night to have seen or heard 143 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 5: anything in the darkness of the night. 144 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: And let me ask a hard question, because and it's 145 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: not hard for me. Michael Harrigan, who oversaw the FBI 146 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: National Academy, says, the proof of life is everything. But 147 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: if there's no two way here, which there's not, obviously, 148 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: no good comes from sending the money they said we 149 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: will pay. With the deadline. The second deadline now approaching. 150 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 2: It sounds like that they are going to do that, 151 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: and I don't know what that means or what you 152 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: can expect or from that. 153 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 5: Well, it's frustrating. Excuse me, when you have no direct 154 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 5: communication and it's it is highly unusual. I mean, I've 155 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 5: never heard of it. Usually there's some sort of back 156 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 5: and forth, there is some communication established so you can 157 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 5: work out the details of the exchange money for the 158 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 5: human life. But here there's none of that. It's just 159 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 5: demands sent via emails to the media. And so I mean, 160 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:38,599 Speaker 5: I suppose that these suspected kidnappers are you know, examining 161 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 5: the bitcoin account, waiting for the money to arrive, and 162 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 5: maybe it has, maybe it will be in the next 163 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 5: couple of hours. You know, we don't know. Savannah said 164 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 5: we will pay. So it is truly a very different, bizarre, 165 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 5: odd mysterious way of you know, kidnapping and demand for ransom. 166 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 5: But it has apparently befuddled the best in law enforcement 167 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 5: so far, it really. 168 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: Has, and I'm sure frustrating for them. I don't really 169 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: think there's an option. I think that you just, you know, 170 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: as this deadline fast approaches, if anybody puts themselves in 171 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: her shoes. I think paying is probably the right call. 172 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts? 173 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 5: Oh, I absolutely agree. You know, you would pay the 174 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 5: money to get your loved one back, any amount of money, 175 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 5: and so, you know, I think that's the only choice here. 176 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 5: Pay the money and then wait and hope and pray that. Uh, 177 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 5: you know, the safe return of Nancy Guthrie is immin it. 178 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 5: But that is another challenge for the kidnappers. You know, 179 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 5: how do they do that without getting caught? You know, 180 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 5: do you leave her in a remote area then send 181 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 5: a message to a media outlet as to where she is. 182 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 5: You know, you don't want to let her off in 183 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 5: a place that's busy because you know, that's where you 184 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 5: get caught with cameras and surveillance and people seeing things. 185 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: So you know, it's a very it's kind of mind 186 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: numbing with all the technology we have and all the 187 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: cameras that are everywhere, that nothing has has pop that 188 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: we know of, and I assume we don't know everything 189 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 2: that law enforcement is doing. 190 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't know what they have. And I am 191 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 5: sure that they are pursuing possible leads, some of them 192 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 5: result in a dead end. We hope they have one 193 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 5: that comes to fruition and can bring her back. But 194 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 5: you know, I think I would never faul to the FBI. 195 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 5: I think they've done their level best. You know, President 196 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 5: Trump was on this telling everybody in the federal government 197 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 5: it's all hands on deck. Everybody needs to contribute, and 198 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 5: I'm sure they have been, but you know, it's one 199 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 5: of those exceedingly difficult cases. 200 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: Well, we appreciate you taking time with us, Greg Jarrett. 201 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: We'll get people's reaction to this as well and all 202 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: the other news of the day. Eight hundred and nine 203 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: fourt one Shawn is a toll free telephone number. If 204 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: you want to be a part of the program. I 205 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: had twenty five to the top of the hour, eight 206 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: hundred and nine point one Shawn or number you want 207 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: to be a part of the program. 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Unlike the message yesterday, 237 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: which we'll compare it to, it seemed like she was 238 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: looking straight at the camera, speaking straight from her heart extemporaneously. 239 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: Here's what she said. 240 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 4: Hi, there, everybody. I wanted to come on. 241 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: And just share a few thoughts as we enter into 242 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 3: another week of this nightmare. I just want to say, 243 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 3: first of all, thank you so much for all of 244 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 3: the prayers and the love that we have felt, my 245 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: sister and brother and I and that our mom has felt. 246 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 3: Because we believe that somehow, in some ways, she is 247 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: feeling these prayers and that God is lifting her even 248 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 3: in this moment and in the darkest place, we believe 249 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 3: our mom is still out there. 250 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 4: We need your help. 251 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 3: Law enforcement is working tirelessly around the clock trying to 252 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 3: bring her home, trying to find her. She was taken 253 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 3: and we don't know where, and we need your help. 254 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 3: So I'm coming on just to ask you, not just 255 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: for your prayers, but no matter where you are, even 256 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 3: if you're far from Tucson, if you see anything, you 257 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 3: hear anything, if there's anything at all that seems strange 258 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: to you that you report to law enforcement. We are 259 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 3: an hour of desperation. 260 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: And we need your help, multiple times saying we need 261 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: your help. It's an hour of desperation as we now 262 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: approach this more consequential deadline. Yes, the message that came 263 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: out this weekend was far more cryptic to me, more scripted, 264 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: which probably was coordinated with law enforcement. We'll get Nancy 265 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: Grace's take on in a second. Here's what she said 266 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 2: this weekend. 267 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 4: We received your message, and we understand. 268 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 3: We beg you now to return our mother to us 269 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 3: so that we can celebrate with her. 270 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 4: This is the only way we will have peace. 271 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 6: This is very valuable to us, and we will pay 272 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 6: all right. 273 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 2: Nancy Grace joins us now, of course with crime stories 274 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: with Nancy Grace on Serious also Fox Nation. A very 275 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: different message today, but we're now approaching that consequential deadline. 276 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 7: Well, Jean, I didn't know that it could be more 277 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 7: heartbreaking until we hear Savannah state, we are at an 278 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 7: hour of desperation. And for anyone that's ever been in 279 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 7: a position where you feel you are about to lose 280 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 7: something you love the most, in the world and not 281 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 7: being able to do anything about it. To be totally 282 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 7: at the mercy of someone you don't know that it's 283 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 7: picked you out of millions of people to torture and 284 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 7: take your mother. It's just to hear her voice. It's excruciating, 285 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 7: which leads me to something you asked me earlier today. 286 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 7: Do I think there has been another message in addition 287 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 7: to the two ransom related messages sent through media? I 288 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 7: think that now it's very possible. Does this mean they 289 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 7: haven't heard anything? They have no reason to hope they'll 290 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 7: get their mom back. They're begging the public us to help. 291 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: You see when And I've had so many friends contact 292 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 2: me over the weekend, and I contacted you because there's 293 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: nobody better at figuring this out, or anyone that has 294 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 2: more experience. But we received your message. We understand it 295 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: sounded like the possible other message was sent. 296 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: That's how I interpreted it. 297 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: And then I got nervous when I heard the words celebrate, 298 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, all right, does she talking about a celebration 299 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: of life? And then I wrote you, I said, but 300 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: the keywords afterwards celebrate with her? And then it sounds 301 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: a little more cryptic. This is the only way we 302 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: will have peace. This is very valuable to us, and 303 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: we will pay. I think you agree with me that 304 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 2: that was written in coordination with law enforcement. 305 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 7: Right well, I know Savannah, and Savannah can add lib 306 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 7: off the top of her head. She couldn't do her 307 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 7: job on the Today Show if she couldn't roll with 308 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 7: the punches, because you don't know what the guests might say. 309 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 7: It's not all scripted, but I saw her. I was 310 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 7: watching her, and she she made a statement, and then 311 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 7: she looked down and paused, and she was looking at 312 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 7: a script. It was scripted, not necessarily this one where 313 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 7: she's begging for our help, but where she was saying, 314 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 7: we will pay. And you're right. When I heard celebrate, 315 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,719 Speaker 7: I first thought celebration of life, and my stomach just 316 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 7: clenched because I thought she believed her mom is dead. 317 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 7: But you're right, you caught it. Celebrate with her as 318 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 7: if they're going to celebrate a homecoming. But this very 319 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 7: last message from Savannah in her hour of desperation, as 320 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 7: she puts it, tells me that they don't have any 321 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 7: hope right now. You know what I was thinking all long, shance, 322 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 7: Maybe they are onto something and they're not letting it 323 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 7: onto us. Maybe they have an idea, have a being 324 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 7: on a potential suspect, but this suggests they are truly 325 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 7: at the end of their road. They got nothing. 326 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 2: That's what that's that's what I'm taking out of it. 327 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: And here's what else stands out to me. And I 328 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: always assumed that there was a pathway to payment, and 329 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: we will pay. Is very valuable to us, we will pay. 330 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 2: And then couple that with today's message, and I'm thinking 331 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: they might not have been given instructions on how to pay, 332 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: except maybe I heard there was a bitcoin they wanted 333 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: to be paid in bitcoin. 334 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: But does that mean they gave an account? 335 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 7: Well, according to Levin, he checked the account and the 336 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 7: account was verified. It's a real account now as of 337 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 7: a couple of hours ago. Levin states that no money 338 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 7: has been put into that account. But I was looking 339 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 7: at certain words she said, and her next to the 340 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 7: last message beg celebrate peace, valuable. Understand those are embedded commands. 341 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 7: That's what no negotiators call words that Savannah stressed beg 342 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 7: celebrate peace, valuable. And it's almost as if she had 343 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 7: been asked, do you understand, and she said, we understand that, 344 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 7: to me is an answer to a question. 345 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: That's what makes us think that there might be a 346 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: there might have been another note that nobody knows about. 347 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 2: So if you're in this situation now, it is interesting 348 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 2: because I guess there's different. 349 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: Points of view there is. 350 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: For example, Michael Harrington, who oversaw the FBID National Academy, says, 351 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: proof of life is everything. If there's no two way 352 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: back and forth or no way to communicate with this individual, 353 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 2: assuming there's an individual or individuals, no good comes from 354 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 2: sending the money. I don't really think that's going to 355 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 2: be an option for them. And she said as much 356 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 2: that we will pay. 357 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 7: Well, I mean, Sean, could you sit back and think, well, 358 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 7: I didn't get the proof of life I wanted. I'm 359 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 7: not sending the money and then regret it for the 360 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 7: rest of your life. 361 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: I couldn't live with myself. 362 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 7: No. No, the grandma's house is worth a million dollars 363 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 7: pocket get a loan, get the money, do it, go 364 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 7: fund me, do whatever you've got to do. And if 365 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 7: you lose the money, you lose the money that you 366 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 7: cannot take a chance with your mother's life. And I'm 367 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 7: telling you, Sean, we keep hearing from these so called experts. Well, 368 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 7: there hasn't been proof of life. We don't know what 369 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 7: was in those missives. We don't know everything. It doesn't 370 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 7: have to be a picture or a video which can 371 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 7: easily be manipulated. It could be something that only the 372 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 7: mom knows that nobody else knows, like her childhood name. 373 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 7: Who knew that Queen of England was saying a little 374 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 7: bit until you know just a few years ago. Nobody 375 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 7: knows secret names, pets, names, home phone number that used 376 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 7: to be on your childhood anything. It doesn't have to 377 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 7: be a video, it doesn't have to be a picture. 378 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 7: They could have gotten information in one of those notes 379 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 7: that revealed they have missus Guthrie, and they're certainly seeming 380 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 7: to take them seriously. So all of those so called 381 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 7: experts that are pooh poohing the idea of sending the money, 382 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 7: let's see what you would do in the same situation. 383 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: I hate when people, you know, make judgments about what 384 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 2: are the people would do in a circumstance like those. 385 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: It drives me crazy. Why do you think law enforcement 386 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 2: keeps returning to this home? And they took a cli 387 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 2: far away and then a report that they were spotted 388 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon yesterday searching a septic tank behind the house 389 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: and putting long poles into the septic tank. 390 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: What do you make. 391 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 7: Of that, Well, there's two ways to look at it. One, 392 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 7: they got information, a tip or some other information that 393 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 7: they should go check the septic tank. And again for 394 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 7: city folks that are on so called city water and 395 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 7: city septics, you don't have a septic tank. Country people 396 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 7: or people out in the desert. In this case, they 397 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 7: have a sept tank. 398 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 2: My last home I had a septic tank. Is that overflowed. 399 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: It was not pleasant, not. 400 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 7: Pleasant at all. So it could have been a matter 401 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 7: of their talking and they go, wait, does she have 402 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 7: a septic tank? We better go check it. And if 403 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 7: you look at the instrument they were using, they weren't 404 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 7: just poking around with a stick. According to an expert 405 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 7: that I spoke with that specialty is finding missing people. 406 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 7: There was another device and they were looking down and 407 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 7: there was a light and potentially a camera. I think 408 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 7: of course they were looking for a body, of course, 409 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 7: but because the manhole used was big enough to put 410 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 7: a body into, but there had already been out a scent. 411 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 7: Dogs and cadaver dogs. We've been told, so a cadaver 412 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 7: dog would led straight to that. So I think they 413 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 7: were looking for something that may have been flushed down 414 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 7: the commode. Think about a knife, Think about something that 415 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 7: it may be difficult but that is flushable, Something that 416 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 7: was carried out to the septic tank and dropped in there. 417 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 7: It could even be any number of things that I 418 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 7: think they were crossing their t's and dotting their eyes. 419 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 7: I don't think they thought they were going to find 420 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 7: Nancy Guffrie at a septic tank. But also concerning is 421 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 7: the search of the sister Savannah's sister Annie's home, because 422 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 7: they were there late at night, they didn't live till 423 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 7: nearly eleven o'clock, and they were viewed by media taking 424 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 7: pictures with slash photography throughout the house from the garage 425 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 7: to the other end of the house. They left again, 426 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 7: we think, with a celebrate, which is a you said 427 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,959 Speaker 7: that you and I talked about the other night on Fox, 428 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 7: which downloads all digital information. It can be deleted, it 429 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 7: can be encrypted, it doesn't matter, they'll get it. Why 430 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 7: were they back again at Annie's with celebrates? They also 431 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 7: came out with paper bags, which we all know carry evidence. 432 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 7: If you carry a plastic bag and there's any moisture, 433 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 7: it can degenerate the evidence. It can plastic can also 434 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 7: remove finger prints or even DNA, so always paper. They 435 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 7: came out with paper bags. What did they get don't know, 436 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 7: but they got something. And one more thing before I 437 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 7: lose my train of thought, Sean, they've already been in 438 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 7: the home, we believe once with a celebrate a You said, 439 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 7: what does that mean? I'm deducing that did someone get 440 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 7: a message such as you're suggesting, on a phone, a text, 441 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 7: and there they have got on back in with the 442 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 7: celebrate to try to trace it. I mean, it does 443 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 7: make sense, It makes. 444 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: A lot of sense. 445 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 2: What doesn't make sense is an eighty four year old 446 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: woman being taken like this. That just does not make sense. 447 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: And as far as the septic tank, it doesn't make sense. 448 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 2: It doesn't fit the trail of blood leaving it leading 449 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 2: out of the house, or what we learned in the 450 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: very beginning of all of this. It's just frustrating. One 451 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: of the things that you know, a lot of people 452 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: have raised the question why there's been so much attention. 453 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. There's a lot of attention. Number one, 454 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: she's famous. 455 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 2: Number two. You can't believe this would happen. But it 456 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 2: also to me, it highlights something that's always been very 457 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 2: important to me, which is that every life matters. 458 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: You know. 459 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: That's why I've spent twenty years scrolling names that nobody's 460 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: ever heard of, of people shot and shot and killed 461 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 2: in cities like New York City or Chicago, and just 462 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 2: to make a point that you know, we can save lives, 463 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 2: we can ensure law and order and safety and security 464 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: for every person, and that every life does matter, and 465 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 2: it is a gift from God, and we ought to 466 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 2: put a very high value on all of it. You're amazing, 467 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: You're so generous with your time. We really appreciate it. 468 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 2: We'll know a lot more when you're on the air tonight, 469 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: I assume with us on Hannity, Nancy Grace, the one 470 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: and only. 471 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you, frand goodbye.