1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Quody dius, But Joseph's gotten more. 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: There are many times in our lives when we are 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: trying to get the attention of someone. Starts off when 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: we're young, even in an infantile state. You know, we 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 2: scream and we cry, and we carry on until someone 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 2: pays attention to us. Maybe they come and comfort us, 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: give us food, change a diaper, And then as we 8 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: go through life, I think that that enters into a 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: higher plane. We do many things to draw attention, you know, 10 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: when you're first, you know, interested in somebody romantically, particularly 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: young boys. I can remember a lot of stupid things 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: I did to draw the attention of some young girl. 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: But as we grow older, attention getting many times takes 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: on a more sophisticated air. Today, I want to talk 15 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 2: about a case that has come to our attention. And 16 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: this is something that I never thought that I would 17 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: be talking about on the air, But you know, nowadays, 18 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 2: I guess my surprise button is busted at this point. 19 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about a young man in Texas 20 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: that did something rather bizarre and certainly very very disrespectful 21 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: to get the attention of the Federal Bureau of Investigations. 22 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body backs, Dave. 23 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: I'm not going to go down the road of asking 24 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: you what's the greatest length you've ever gone to to 25 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: get the attention of somebody? 26 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: Wow. 27 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if we want to go to that 28 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: dark territory for either one of us. 29 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 3: I'm thinking, who wants to draw the attention and ire 30 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: of the FBI. 31 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want anything. I don't. I don't 32 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: want them to know I. 33 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: Am FBI eightyzation. Yeah, if it's an alphabet government group, 34 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: I'm out. 35 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: I'm good. But this lord, dude, he's. 36 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: Been drawing their attention of everyone, and he's been doing 37 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 3: it in very bold ways for most of his life. 38 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 3: I was going to say his adult life, but I 39 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 3: think adult is not just an age. It is a 40 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 3: state of mind and maturity. And I don't know that 41 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: he has made it there yet. Even though Michael Chadwick 42 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: Fry is forty one, what he is accused of doing 43 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: Joseph Scott Morgan, Oh, my ford. When Joe sends me 44 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: a thing that says bucket of bones or something, you 45 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 3: know it was a bucket of bones or bucket of 46 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: people I'm a bucket. 47 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: Remains in a bucket, That's what I like. Anatomical elements. 48 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And I'm thinking, okay, where are we going 49 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 3: with this show? We've got body in a bucket? 50 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: Now? 51 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: Is this? 52 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I've heard a pizza in a bucket. 53 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 2: But a barrel and something I used to enjoy when 54 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: I was a kid. 55 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 3: But yeah, buddy, but we got You know, this is 56 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 3: crazy because I thought for a minute, as I before 57 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: I unrolled everything, I thought, it remains in a bucket? 58 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: Is this now another podcast trying to compete with body Bags? 59 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: We're now body bags in a bucket? Is that where 60 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: we're headed with this? But here is where we're headed 61 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: with her friends a guy Michael Chadwick Fry, forty one 62 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: years old from Denton, Texas. I assume he's from Denton, 63 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: that's the but actually he's got criminal network going from 64 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: Texas to Oklahoma and beyond. So we're going to throw 65 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 3: it out there that this is a This is a 66 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: man who I don't know. 67 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: He's not quite right, but. 68 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: I think I think he's He actually hails from a 69 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: town called. 70 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: Barton Bartonville, That's what I say. Yeah, you're right. 71 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: You know this this, you know, he's drawn the attention 72 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: of both the Denton Police and of course it all 73 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: comes together with him. 74 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: You know. 75 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: Well here, you know what, Joe, Let's start at the end. Yes, 76 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 3: this guy wanted to draw the attention of the FBI 77 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 3: because he thinks that there's corruption in the local police 78 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: department and he couldn't get anybody's attention. I guess he 79 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: tried lighting a bag of poo on fire at somebody's 80 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: door and not really hard and it didn't work. So 81 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: now he has taken a bucket of real human remains, 82 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: real bones, and he videotaped himself to put it on 83 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: YouTube for his YouTube channel, and then threw the bucket 84 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: of bones over the fence into the fb Eyes restricted 85 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 3: parking lot. He hefted a bucket of human and videotaped it, 86 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 3: filmed himself doing it, and posted it on YouTube for 87 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: all the world to see. 88 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this was He did this at the FBI's 89 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 2: Dallas Field office, which can I just tell you right now, 90 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: I would say that the Dallas Field office is probably 91 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 2: one of I'd say it's probably in the top ten, 92 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: certainly in the top fifteen largest field offices that the 93 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: FEDS have all right, it's a high volume place, it's 94 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 2: not in some obscure location. And yeah, they've got fencing 95 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 2: all the way around this thing. Guess what else they've got. 96 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: They've probably got CCTV up everywhere. 97 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: But he didn't. 98 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: The FBI doesn't need their CCTV because, as you pointed out, 99 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: he's filming himself doing this, which is the most bizarre. Well, 100 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 2: I say the most bizarre. 101 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a sliding scale. 102 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 3: Have you ever had to catch yourself when you've said 103 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: that this is not you know, this. 104 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 2: Is not the most bizarre, but yeah, yeah, and it 105 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 2: is a and and the things that you know, over 106 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: over the the past couple of years, you know that 107 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: we've we've covered uh, you know, because we we don't 108 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: merely talk about homicides, uh, even though that that makes 109 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: up the majority of the cases, certainly death and unidentified cases, 110 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: which you know, Dave, that that I and I think 111 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: now you have a heart for relative to the unidentified 112 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: across across the nation, we do have these these one 113 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: off cases. But these one off cases seem to becoming 114 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: a bit more frequently, and we'll get into the details 115 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: of that. But yeah, it's it's it's just it's just 116 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 2: super bizarre that that you would be so motivated that 117 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: you're going to get up into the grill of the FBI. 118 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 2: And boy, did he ever get their attention. 119 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: Dave. 120 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: Well, Joe, when you I remember when you told me 121 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: this story and we ended up doing it on body 122 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: bags about how grave grave robbers were paid to get, 123 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: you know, corpses for medical schools, you know, for training, 124 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: and I remember thinking of that historically and thinking about 125 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: it from a historical standpoint, Well, you know. 126 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: What are you going to do? 127 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean really, I But then when we started 128 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: opening up the stories of those dead, it was like, 129 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 3: wait a minute, that's not just a sack of book. 130 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: That was a person, that was somebody loved that person 131 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: at some point, And so I think about it differently now. 132 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: And in the last years, we've had. 133 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: A couple of more stories of this ilk, of people 134 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: messing with the remains of someone that I don't know 135 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 3: if he knew the person. I do know this Joe 136 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: in this particular case, the full story is not even 137 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 3: written yet because it started with his mother. 138 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: This guy. 139 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: Now, I'm gonna tell you what, Friends, if you're forty 140 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: one years old and you're still living with mom. Time 141 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: to grow up, get a job unless you're footing all 142 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: the bills and mom is living and you're treating her 143 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 3: like the clean she is, you know, but if you're 144 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: living in her house, time to move on. So his 145 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: mom called nine one one. You know why she called 146 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: nine one one on her son? 147 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: Hit me? 148 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: Well, Michael Fry told mama he needed money to pay 149 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: for a U haul because he had a body that 150 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: needed to be moved. Martinville police began investigating. Fry's mom 151 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: said that he got so angry he left their house, 152 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: and police then put out a bulletin to neighboring law 153 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: enforcement agencies to search for him because they don't know 154 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: is he playing, is he kidding? 155 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: Does he really have a dead body? What are we 156 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: doing here? 157 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: A short time later, Martinville officer receives information from Fry's sister. 158 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 3: Mom called first Now sister is helping out. What does 159 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 3: that tell you about mister Fry. Mister Fry, according to 160 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: the sister, has recorded video of himself posted it on 161 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 3: YouTube of himself throwing I can't believe I'm going to 162 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: read this because I can't even He posted a video 163 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 3: at the Dallas Federal Bureau of Investigation Field office. The 164 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: video was titled we send Elizabeth over the FBI fence 165 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 3: to summon them by force. Fry says he's trying to 166 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 3: get the FBI's attention by throwing Elizabeth's remains over the 167 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 3: fence to compel the FBI to intervene in what he 168 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 3: describes is wrongdoing by Denton County officials related to a 169 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: past arrest. Now, this footage show shows Michael Fry throwing 170 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: a closed, large white bucket over the fence into the 171 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 3: secure parking lot of the FBI building. FBI a special 172 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: agent told Bartonville police the bucket contained numerous bones. 173 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: I'm I think, you know initially, you know, look, the 174 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: FBI gets all kinds, as you can imagine, because look, 175 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 2: if you're in a small jurisdiction, Okay, let's say you're 176 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: in Mayberry, all right, you're going to have otis the 177 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: town drunk. Yeah, who's a regular character by the way, 178 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: you know, I think that guy, the guy that played 179 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: that role Smith, Yeah, wasn't he like a he was 180 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 2: like a teetotaler, wasn't he already very infrequently? All right? 181 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: And then Foster Brooks. 182 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just like Yeah Foster Brooks one of the 183 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: greatest on screen imitations of somebody that's the neighborhood on 184 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: the face plan. But you're going to have in small 185 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: town ones, you're going to have law enforcement there, local 186 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: law enforcement. You're going to have the nut jobs that 187 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: are around, right, and everybody knows them. You know, you 188 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: see them walking down the street where I grew up, 189 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: there was actually a guy that walked up and down 190 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: the street dressed as Superman all of the time. And 191 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: you know, this would have been in the wake of 192 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: the original Christopher Reeve movie. But I think he even yeah, 193 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, exactly, he predated that. But the police 194 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: knew him, you know what I'm saying. They knew he 195 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 2: was probably harmless. Can you imagine now, take that, take 196 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: that idea that seed and then expanded exponentially to the 197 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: phone calls and the interactions that the FBI gets, you know, 198 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: and I know we give them hard time many times 199 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: about everything that goes on, but just the average field 200 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: guy that's working there. Can you imagine you're the junior 201 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: guy and you're they put you on. You know, I 202 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: can see the scene you guys looking at him say yeah, 203 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: you're going to take this phone call. 204 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: They're waiting because I've had people do this to me. 205 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 2: There's a phone call for you, and it's going to 206 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: be the guy, the person that always calls in that's 207 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: hearing voices or you know, they've seen something, They have 208 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: some kind of information about some horrible event, and of 209 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: course there's nothing to it. However, in this particular case, 210 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: there is something to it. There's something to it, all right, 211 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 2: in the sense that these are in fact human remains. 212 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: They have been confirmed as such. Now I don't know 213 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 2: exactly what this individual was trying to summon, but I 214 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: can tell you this. He drew the eye of the 215 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: federal government and now they're going to take a deep 216 00:12:53,240 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: dive and hold him responsible for what I'm about to reveal. Dave, 217 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 2: I've got kind of an interesting connection to the town 218 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: where we know that there apparently has been a grave 219 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: robbery that has been committed, a mausoleum that has been 220 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: broken into. And the town is Denton, Texas. All right, 221 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 2: So Denton. I have a book in my office. It's 222 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 2: up on my shelf and it was given to me. 223 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: It was actually gifted to me by a pathologist many 224 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: many years ago, and he said, I thought that you 225 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: would like this because I know that you enjoyed medical history. 226 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: And I've had this in my study for years. I 227 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: don't have any use for it. Please take it. And 228 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, Doc, I'll be glad to take it. Well, 229 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: now you know it holds a place of honor for me. 230 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: And it's really bizarre. I got to tell you what 231 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: the book is. It is a it's a tiny, little 232 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: brown book and you can still make out the. 233 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: Cover. 234 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: You can tell, at one point in time was stamped 235 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: in gold lettering, and it's the title of it is 236 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: the Dissection of the Human Brain in let me see 237 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: what is it? The dissection of the human brain in 238 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: cases involving deaths of the mentally ill. And it sounds 239 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: rather odd, I know, but this text was actually written 240 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: in the eighteen eighties, and so interestingly enough, the connection 241 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: to Denton is that in this lovely script in the 242 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: front of the book, there is in what I think 243 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: is either early I think it might be an early Fountain, inc. 244 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: And it is a private physician that owned this text 245 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: in Denton, Texas, and it was presented to him like 246 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 2: the year that it came out. It's like eighteen eighty five. 247 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: What I was able to ascertain, and this is kind 248 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: of interesting. This doctor's I think his office burned. And 249 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: when you open the book, which has got really fascinating 250 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: illustrations because they didn't have there's no photography in these 251 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: beautiful illustrations of the human brain, it's being dissected and 252 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: all this sort of stuff. You can see cinge marks 253 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: around the edge of it where it had been burned. 254 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: I'll show it to you sometimes and it's it's quite 255 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: fascinating to have this. And so this this case about 256 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: the you know, the Bucket of human Remains. When it 257 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: came to my attention, I saw it was Denton, Texas. 258 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my lord, you know I've had 259 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: this book on my shelf for years and years. This 260 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: is this is kind of interesting, and I think here's 261 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: kind of connection to the grave that was robbed was 262 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: actually in what is referred to now get this, the 263 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: the io F cemetery. So I had to I had 264 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: to do a pause here because I was thinking, what's 265 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: the eye the ioof? 266 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: Is that what it is? 267 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: Because that's how the abbreviation, that's how the police actually 268 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: listed it. Yeah, so The cemetery is actually a cemetery 269 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 2: that was set up for the Independent Order of Oddfellows, 270 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: and it's an old fraternal organization. And the first, the 271 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: first that you ever see in the historical record that 272 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 2: it appears is back in England, I think in the 273 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: seventeen hundreds, and it kind of migrated over to the 274 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 2: US came here in like the early eighteen hundreds. The 275 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: Civil War kind of you know, really decimated the ranks 276 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: because of North and South. But when fraternalism, you know, 277 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 2: kind of took root again after the war, it's sprung 278 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: sprung into existence again and they set up graveyards or cemeteries. 279 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: Graveyards are separate. I told this before. Graveyards are not cemetery. 280 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 2: Graveyards are consecrated ground. They're on church property, Okay. Cemeteries 281 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 2: originating from the Greek. It's actually the cities of the dead. 282 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: It's roughly how it translates. So those are like public 283 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: public grounds. And I've often wondered, you know, I know 284 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: that the IOF is still a thing, and I'm wondering 285 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: if people are still be buried in this graveyard. I 286 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 2: saw some images of this thing, and they've got these 287 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: really old, really pretty mausoleums that are all in this place, 288 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: all right, and there's these stone edifices, you know, you've 289 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: got these huge towering, you know, kind of sculptures that 290 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 2: are there and that sort of thing. This thing has 291 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 2: been around a long long time. So in this particular story, 292 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: apparently this individual, and they haven't released every detail here, 293 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 2: this individual actually went into this cemetery and I think 294 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: that he may we haven't been able to confirm it yet, 295 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: he may in fact have robbed the grave of this 296 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: woman named Virginia David. And I listen, I did as 297 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: much as I could. I went on to you can 298 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 2: go into a great website if no one's ever checked 299 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: it out. It's called find a Grave. And I looked 300 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: her name up and I could not find it. I 301 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 2: found other people with a similar name, but they were 302 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 2: located not in this location. But you know, to think 303 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 2: that many many years ago, somebody wept outside of this 304 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 2: location as they put these remains into this edifice, and 305 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: they thought that they were going to be there until 306 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: I don't know, judgment day, or they thought that they 307 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 2: were secure, or whatever was in their mind at the time. 308 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: I cannot imagine in any scenario that the loved ones 309 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 2: of this subject in vision that some maniac is going 310 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 2: to come in there and crack this thing open and 311 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: begin to take out remains. 312 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 3: Dave, Well, that's where the it was interesting from the 313 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 3: standpoint of who Michael Fry allegedly chose to attack the FBI, 314 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 3: because I don't know if you're aware of this, but 315 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 3: they're pretty good about investigating stuff. And when you chunk 316 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: bones and a bucket over their fence, yeah, they're going 317 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: to find out pretty quick who you are, where you're from. 318 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: Now. 319 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 3: It also helps if you record a video of your 320 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 3: breaking the law and post it up for everybody to 321 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 3: see and talk about it. I mean, that's really helpful. 322 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 3: So the FBI contacts Bartonville Police. Bartonville Police contact the 323 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 3: Denton Police Department notified them that the remains recovered during 324 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 3: the investigation. Remember remember what was said on the YouTube video, 325 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 3: Remember what was said by mom, and remember what was 326 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: said by sister. So they've got a lot of info 327 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 3: here going into this, and so FBI contacts Bartonville. Bartonville 328 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: contacts Denton and says, hey, the remains recovered during the 329 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: investigation in our parking lot might have been stolen from 330 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 3: the ioof cemetery in Denton. Now, this is from the 331 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 3: official police report from the Denton Police is. I was 332 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: tracking this bag, going this just sounds weird. 333 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: You know. 334 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 3: After further investigation, which means, okay, they took the phone call, well, 335 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 3: somebody go to the cemetery and see what's going on 336 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 3: over here. 337 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: They did. 338 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 3: They found damaged mausoleum with the remains missing from inside it. Yeah, 339 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 3: I pictured that when you said somebody crying or lovingly 340 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 3: putting this loved one in. You know, I'm thinking of 341 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: that and how this guy or allegedly went and just 342 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,239 Speaker 3: tore it all up and just stole what was not his, 343 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 3: and it just I get. Now, we're all different on 344 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 3: how we feel about death and what we do with 345 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 3: the dyeing and all that. 346 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: I get that. 347 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 3: But you know what, even though I might not feel 348 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 3: a certain way about it, something I can respect those 349 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 3: who do. 350 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: I don't. 351 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 3: You know, how you feel about it is up to 352 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 3: you and somebody. It meant a lot to them to 353 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: put this person's human remains in the mausoleum, and they 354 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 3: didn't expect. You know, you're paying for this to not happen. 355 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 3: You're paying for somebody else to make sure this doesn't happen, 356 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 3: and when it does, you're not getting away with it. 357 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: Man. 358 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: Well, you know I'm thinking, okay, you want to draw 359 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 2: the attention of the FBI. Here's a thought. Instead of 360 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: going and breaking into a mausoleum and removing the remains 361 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 2: of someone's loved one, why don't you go out cut 362 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: you a big pole, all right, and go to the 363 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: parking lot at the FBI and pretend you're a pole 364 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,479 Speaker 2: vaulter and try to vault a vault yourself over the 365 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 2: fence and videotape yourself. You know, why are you going 366 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 2: to go? Why are you going to go to the 367 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: point where you're going to go desecrate desecrate a grave? 368 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 2: And by the way, I can tell you there has been, 369 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 2: you know, significant investigation. The FBI actually went back out 370 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: there with their team and took a look, you don't 371 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 2: want that to happen the job? 372 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: What else? They guy? 373 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 3: What's his YouTube channel? Yeah, price YouTube channel, because you 374 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 3: know what was on there on his YouTube channel. Joseph 375 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 3: Scott Morgan. Fry's YouTube account shows the suspect mister Fry 376 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 3: with a human skull at his home in Bartonville. In 377 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: the video, the skull appears to have dirt and hair 378 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 3: still connected, along with leaves and other organic matter, which 379 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 3: appeared to be a real human skull. The defendant calls 380 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 3: this skull Elizabeth Virginia Lion in the video, Joe in 381 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 3: the video. 382 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, curtain leaves, is it really you think? 383 00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? 384 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: And so I you know, I can't imagine that he 385 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 2: would dress this thing up with this. What's kind of 386 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 2: fascinating is they're saying that they he broke into a mausoleum. 387 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: So I'm really wondering. Okay, here here's the thought. I'm 388 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: really wondering in the video, and again you have to 389 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: take video imagery with a grain of salt. You know, 390 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: they're viewing this at this point in time. How do 391 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: you get dirt and leaves on a human skull inside 392 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: of a mausoleum? Asking, unless the mausoleum itself is in disrepair, 393 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 2: all right, and that makes it an easy target. 394 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: Right. 395 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 2: Let's just say you've got some marble edifice there that 396 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: has been locked down for years and years. And I've 397 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 2: stood outside these before, particularly my hometown in New Orleans, 398 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: where you've got these beautiful above ground graves that you know, 399 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 2: you would really need some skill to get into these things, right, 400 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 2: And what's really creepy is you can walk up to 401 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 2: it and still got the a gigantic skeleton key lock 402 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 2: on a lot of these things, you know, the outside 403 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 2: where you need the specific key. 404 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,239 Speaker 1: That's such a freaky it is skeleton right. 405 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 2: I used to I had an old house that still 406 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: had skeleton key doors and had a whole ring of them. 407 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: Uh. 408 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 2: I wanted to hide the keys away because I didn't 409 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 2: like to think of them. Uh. 410 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,479 Speaker 3: But yes, skeleton Brady Bunch was trying to get when 411 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 3: they were trying to get to the Grand Canyon, and 412 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 3: that there's some hell the third in his Western where 413 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 3: had the keys where he couldn't get to him. 414 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: Then, yeah, you're right. 415 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 3: Let me tell you, you know when when we know 416 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 3: he's got the bucket of bones and we know on 417 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: video there's a skull with dirt and leaves. But let 418 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 3: me share something else with you, Joe, because mister Fry 419 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 3: was busy. This is more information coming from his mother. 420 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: She was very helpful in this investigation because as investigators 421 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 3: started looking into him, they started with Elizabeth Virginia Lyon. 422 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: Investigators determined that Fry going to his mom. She found 423 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 3: GPS data on his vehicle. They showed her son driving 424 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 3: to three different cemeteries in Oklahoma and Arlington, Texas. She 425 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 3: also tells police he's got him a brand new shovel. 426 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 3: And you know something else, show they have a shed 427 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 3: out in the back, been there forever. He ain never 428 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 3: locked it. But you know what she told the police, 429 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 3: He's got him a brand new shovel, and he started 430 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 3: locking that door. He's never done that, never locked the 431 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 3: door on the shed. So now you got a shovel, 432 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 3: locked door, shed. Three cemeteries, and investigators determined that Fry 433 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 3: separately stole an urn containing human ashes from the cemetery 434 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 3: in Oklahoma City. And you know how they determined that 435 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 3: Joe it was on a video at his home, mister 436 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 3: Fry's home, so he videotaped all of this, from the 437 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 3: bones in the bucket, to the skull with dirt and leaves, 438 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 3: to the human cremains in the urn. He just went 439 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 3: on a desecration spree. 440 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, Dave, I'm thinking about this case 441 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: right now, and I know that it will be a 442 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: reaction by many out there that are hearing about this, 443 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: and they'll say, well, this guy is just crazy. But 444 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 2: let me ask you a question. If he is in fact, 445 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 2: quote unquote crazy and I hate using that term because 446 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 2: it's so very non specific, if he is in fact 447 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 2: touched in the head, as the old folks used to say, 448 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 2: then why would you need to lock the shed? If 449 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 2: you thought what you were doing. 450 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 3: Was just. 451 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: Brother Dave with Michael Chad would cry, this is not 452 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: his first dance, all right. You know, looking at this, 453 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 2: this guy's got a pretty pretty serious history. You know, 454 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 2: i'd made I alluded to the idea that you know, 455 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: every town knows who the people that are kind of 456 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 2: off the beam are. You know, they're kind of keeping 457 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: keeping an eye on them. But this guy's been on 458 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: the radar for a while and apparently there's kind of 459 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: a tie back here. And I got to tell you 460 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: he's been a part of one instant instance in particular 461 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: that has a certain level of violence to it that 462 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 2: was actually kind of a directed attack. 463 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: It's it is in okay. 464 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 3: His criminal career began in the early two thousand His 465 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 3: first rest was in two thousand and three. Started off 466 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 3: with your basic DWI public intoxication, then burglary assault. This 467 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: is all mostly in Denton County, but around about twenty eighteen, 468 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 3: there was something that took place in twenty twelve we'll 469 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 3: get to in a minute. But in twenty eighteen he 470 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 3: became kind of a local celebrity. Michael Chadwick Fry. He 471 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 3: slammed a pickup truck intentionally into Fox four television station 472 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 3: KFDW at their building in Dallas, Texas. Crashes his truck 473 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 3: into the building multiple times, not just once, not just 474 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: hitting it to break some glass. We're talking about. He's 475 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 3: ramming it as much as his truck will do it. 476 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 3: And well, it's a TV station. That's a federal offense, 477 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 3: you know, the government, by the FCC. And you've got 478 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 3: wait a minute, yeah, you got news blocks to fill. 479 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 3: We got a crazy guy here trying to run, you know, 480 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: and he but you know what, Joe, here's the part. 481 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: That got me. It is a federal offense. 482 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 3: It's a lot going on, but you know what, no 483 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 3: one inside the building was hurt. After he had bashed 484 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 3: the building several times and exited, he started ranting, scattering 485 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: papers everywhere. He was charged with felony criminal mischief. Now 486 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 3: I have to think that that was, you know, twenty eighteen, 487 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 3: eight years ago, that was not what this was about. 488 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: With the bones. 489 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 3: That might have been actually the first leaning into something 490 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,239 Speaker 3: in twenty twelve. This is what he claims is the 491 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 3: motive for wanting to get the FBI's attention. 492 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: Joe. 493 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 3: He's got a real serious claim here that well, he 494 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 3: actually thinks the people had to get him. I know 495 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: that comes as a shock, but he actually says that 496 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 3: in twenty twelve, there was an officer involved shooting in 497 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 3: Denton County, Texas, in which he was present. Witnesses reported 498 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 3: that he made statements about high treason and believe people 499 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: were trying to kill him. Now, this is this twenty 500 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 3: twelve officer involved shooting that he once investigated. Is the 501 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 3: reason he threw the bucket of bones over the fence 502 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 3: into the FBI parking lot. That's what his claim is. 503 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 3: That's you know, why would you do this, buddy, because 504 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 3: I want you to investigate this twenty twelve officer involved shooting. 505 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: That was what he told him. 506 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 2: So why exactly is he so? I mean, there are 507 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 2: there are officer involved shootings all over the place. I mean, 508 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 2: I'm not saying they happen every day, but they happened 509 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 2: with some frequency, and people wind up deceased. Why is 510 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 2: it that he's so particularly invested in thisarticular case that 511 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: it would it would drive him to engage in this 512 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: kind of behavior. I've got to disconnect here that I 513 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: don't necessarily understand. 514 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 3: I think that's good. I have to be honest with you, Joe. 515 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 3: If you could understand it, I might be worried about 516 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 3: our friendship. 517 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: You know. 518 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 3: Now police indicated that at the time of his arrest 519 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 3: he was agitated and unstable, an unstable mental state. I'm 520 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 3: not shocked about that. I'm just shocked about how did 521 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 3: the families pick up from this? 522 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: Joe? 523 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 3: What do you do when you have somebody that has 524 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 3: done this to cremains in an urn, broken into a mausoleum, 525 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 3: and got bones out of there, and now we have 526 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 3: the picture of him with the skull with leaves and dirt. 527 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 3: These are three separate burials, three separate types of burial. Correct, Yeah, 528 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 3: they are. And he's very purposed with this because I 529 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 3: have to think that if he's got cremains that originated 530 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 3: out of Okay, see, most cremains that you had that 531 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 3: are not kept obviously with a family. I don't think 532 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 3: he broke into somebody's home. You know, most cremains are 533 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 3: kept at a like within a larger mausoleum. Perhaps I've 534 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 3: seen this happen where you haven't. There's a place where 535 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 3: you can actually place the urn. They seal this thing up. 536 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 3: So did he go into that location? And what was 537 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 3: whose remains were these? I'm wondering. I'm wondering relative to 538 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 3: the individuals and my advocacy for him, that's not my department. 539 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,719 Speaker 3: I don't care, you know. Really, what I'm worried about 540 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 3: is these things that he is perpetrating against families here, 541 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 3: and I don't care if the family is still physically 542 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 3: with us. There's descendants, and we have an expectation that 543 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 3: our dead are going to be secured. It's certainly not 544 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: something that we sit around and until you know the 545 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 3: last I don't know from me in the last few 546 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 3: months that I really concerned myself over. Need I remind 547 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 3: you that didn't we cover a case very recently out 548 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 3: of Pennsylvania where dude had like a hundred human remains. 549 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 3: I mean, this is not something this is something that's 550 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 3: entered onto our radar so you know what rubicon have 551 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 3: we crossed now at this point where people think that 552 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 3: they can just willing nelly walk into you know, a cemetery, 553 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 3: a graveyard, maybe a churchyard protected mausoleum and crack these 554 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 3: things open and take remains out. You know, I don't know. 555 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 3: It kind of feels like some people are spiraling out 556 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 3: there relative to have they lost touch with the reality 557 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 3: or do they just kind of dismissed the value of 558 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 3: humans a fellow humans, Because that's what this comes down to. 559 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 3: I want to know whose remains were in that urn. 560 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,919 Speaker 3: Liked to know from an investigative standpoint, are they emblematic 561 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 3: of somebody or some group of people he went to 562 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 3: the you know, to the IOO F graveyard or cemetery 563 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 3: and busted open a grave there? You know, is there 564 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 3: connectivity here? And here's one more thing that I'm really 565 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 3: concerned about in this particular case. Is this something that 566 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 3: he has just recently started to engage in Because I 567 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 3: got to tell you, Dave, this is a big damn leap, 568 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 3: all right. 569 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: You know, when. 570 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 2: It's one thing, it's one thing if you're you know, 571 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 2: if you if you go and you knock over a headstone, 572 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 2: which I am certainly not in favor of. But you're 573 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 2: talking about going to multiple locations. And according to his mother, 574 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 2: she has evidence, electronic evidence at least that he visited 575 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 2: multiple locations, and good on her, God bless her. I 576 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 2: don't know what her journey has been like. But you know, 577 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 2: he's knocking around various locations. Is this something that he 578 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 2: has been practicing? You know? Has he gone to other 579 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 2: like what other location? You know? The guy up in 580 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 2: Pennsylvania day again, let me say that number to you. 581 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 2: A hundred remains he had these, you know, held in 582 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 2: his home. I'm wondering if because this this investigation is 583 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: still ongoing, I'm wondering, are there other remains at this 584 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 2: point in time? You know, are we going to see 585 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 2: other cases like this? Because you know, he's doing it 586 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: according to what we're hearing at least at this point 587 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 2: in time as as a method of protesting, and the 588 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 2: vehicle for this are the dearly departed. The guy up 589 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 2: in you know, Pennsylvania, that particular case that was that 590 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 2: was commerce for him, all right? So you know what, 591 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 2: you know, what are we looking at here relative to 592 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 2: how people treat the dead? And are we ever going 593 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 2: to know who these people are. You know, even going 594 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 2: back to the Pennsylvania case and thinking about these remains again, 595 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 2: you know, my mind is drifting to DNA. If you 596 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 2: have like to eurn itself, If in fact you do 597 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 2: have the urn and you know that it was held 598 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 2: in this specific location, maybe they can reinter it. But 599 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 2: with bones, yeah, I would think that they would go 600 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 2: to some degree to try to verify that that is, 601 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 2: you know, that Virginia was in fact buried in that grave. 602 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 2: Are they going to try to get her identified? And 603 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 2: if he has any other bones laying around his domicile, 604 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 2: at his mother's house, wherever it is he's hanging his hat, 605 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 2: are they going to get those identified? Does he have 606 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 2: a storage facility somewhere? You know, the guy up in 607 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 2: Pennsylvania apparently had a uh you know, they alluded at 608 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 2: least to some kind. 609 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: Of storage facility there. I got to tell you, David 610 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: that this this. 611 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 2: Thing, you know, we were you know, we're kind of 612 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 2: dancing around it, and it's it's, you know, on one 613 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,760 Speaker 2: in one sense, it's morbidly comical. You know, the idea 614 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 2: of somebody actually throwing a bucket of bones, But this 615 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 2: takes a real sinister, dark turn here. Yeah, because you know, 616 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 2: people are seeing utility in all the remains of those 617 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 2: that have passed away and those that we the living 618 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 2: are entrusted to take care of. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan 619 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 2: and this is Body Backs.