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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody, Friday, Clay Travis and Buck section Show starts

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Speaker 2: right now. President Donald Trump indicted federally in Miami, Southern Florida.

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Speaker 2: It has happened. You all know what has happened. We're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about it today. We're going to I

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Speaker 2: was going to say, make sense of it. But in

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Speaker 2: so many ways, it is senseless, it's destructive, it's enraging,

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Speaker 2: it's concerning. But we will go through all of this

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Speaker 2: together today. We had been telling you for weeks a

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Speaker 2: federal indictment was coming, and now it has happened. Get

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Speaker 2: another unprecedented moment for our republic. Yet another rubicon crossed

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Speaker 2: by the ruthless, hyperpartisan Democrats, by Joe Biden and his

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Speaker 2: fully weaponized Department of Justice. Clear election interference underway. Once again.

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Speaker 2: It seems like there can't just be an election where

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Speaker 2: the American people get to choose. There have to be

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Speaker 2: some extra things thrown into the mix. A rigged system

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Speaker 2: in one way or another has to be. That's the

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Speaker 2: way the Democrats approach it. Look, we're gonna make sense

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Speaker 2: of this to get to the degree we can together today,

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Speaker 2: we'll have our friend Andy McCarthy joining us later on

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Speaker 2: the second hour. Clay is on vacation, as you all recall,

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Speaker 2: but we had a backup plan in place because we

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Speaker 2: both had a feeling that while he was supposed to

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Speaker 2: be doing you know, water aerobics or getting a BackRub

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Speaker 2: or whatever on vacation, he was gonna get the call.

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Speaker 2: And it happened last night. I had to call him

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Speaker 2: and say they've indicted him. So Clay will join us

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Speaker 2: in the second hour as well. And then also Julie Kelly,

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Speaker 2: who you know we've been having on to talk about

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Speaker 2: January as well as the special counsel and the possible

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Speaker 2: now the federal indictment that has happened, we'll focus with

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Speaker 2: her on what she says is coming next. This is

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Speaker 2: not only is it just the beginning of this prosecution.

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Speaker 2: It is likely there will be further prosecutions of Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump by the Biden DOJ. And here's just here's what

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Speaker 2: we know at this at this moment, we'll update this

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Speaker 2: and we'll continue to bring you anything that breaks throughout

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Speaker 2: the show. What Trump is facing right now based on

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Speaker 2: the reporting the indictment has not been made officially public yet,

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Speaker 2: but the reporting is willful retention of national defense information

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Speaker 2: in violation of the espionageac conspiracy to obstruct justice with

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Speaker 2: whole a document or record, corruptly concealing a document or record,

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Speaker 2: concealing a document in a federal investigation, scheme, to conceal

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Speaker 2: false statements and representations. Now, any of you with any

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Speaker 2: familiarity with federal law knows that the maximum for even

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Speaker 2: the most minor federal transgression is jaw droppingly log So

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Speaker 2: Trump faces if he were to get the maximum on

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Speaker 2: all of these decades and decades in prison. Some of

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Speaker 2: these have a statutory maximum of twenty years. Now, almost

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Speaker 2: no one gets that because they well, the federal court system,

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Speaker 2: you take plea deals. Ninety seven ninety eight percent of

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Speaker 2: federal criminal cases result in a plea deal of some kind.

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Speaker 2: Trump's obviously not taking a plea deal, So He's going

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Speaker 2: to see this through. And I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: us have woken up today, even with the expectation that

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Speaker 2: this would happen, feeling a shock because it's real. Now,

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Speaker 2: it's real. They have been building up to this moment

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Speaker 2: for seven years, seven years of relentless and remorseless law,

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Speaker 2: fair lies, scheming all to stop Donald Trump from being

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Speaker 2: president because oh my gosh, I mean the three years

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Speaker 2: wouldn't want to go back to that. It was so horrible.

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Speaker 2: They created an alternate reality of what a Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: they were living in an alternate universe for the first

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Speaker 2: Trump term, and so they feel fully justified now and

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Speaker 2: trying to stop the country from so from another period

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Speaker 2: of economic growth, not just a little growth, economic miracle,

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Speaker 2: So there's so much that right now we have to

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Speaker 2: process and think through and understand. I right at the

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Speaker 2: top of the list, have to say the fact that

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Speaker 2: you had Hillary Clinton with her classified server situation where

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Speaker 2: she willfully and knowing fully was trafficking in classified information

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Speaker 2: over an open server just over the Internet, huge violation

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Speaker 2: even after subpoenas were sent and then the FBI director,

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Speaker 2: that's right. The attorney general was Laurette Lynch, and she

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Speaker 2: Just you know, they were like ships passing in the night.

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Speaker 2: have brought charges. They made it go away. Now, I

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Speaker 2: and his Department of Justice chose to leave it alone.

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Speaker 2: Not because there wasn't a crime committed. There was, we

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Speaker 2: administration knew that focusing on the future and doing the

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Speaker 2: We have a president in Joe Biden who can't even

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Speaker 2: begin to explain why his family members while he's in

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Speaker 2: Chinese Communist Party. And we sit here and we say, well,

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Speaker 2: then that we could even go back to Bill Clinton

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Speaker 2: did not have sexual relations with that woman, right, Remember, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: lied under oath, lied under oath, And what were we told? Oh,

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Speaker 2: let's move on from that. It was personal as private. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's a felony. He committed a felony as clear as

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Speaker 2: anything could be. We let it go. Bush administration, let

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Speaker 2: a president of the United States has faced a felony

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Speaker 2: indictment like this, and he's running for president. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this would be erth shattering if Donald Trump just planned

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Speaker 2: But he is the Republican front runner as we speak

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Speaker 2: What exactly is the crime here? What was done? Who

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump did. He had boxes of documents, maybe he

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Speaker 2: to people and kill them. Yeah, you know, you do.

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Speaker 2: People are not above the law. But this prosecution is

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Speaker 2: rooted in process crimes that have been the maniacal focus

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Speaker 2: police chief Laverne Barrier in the Soviet Union. This has

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Speaker 2: showing me the man, I'll show you the crime. They

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Speaker 2: keep going and going and going. If the IRS went

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Speaker 2: some way to say that you violated you violated federal

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Speaker 3: You know that.

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Speaker 2: That's why everyone hates the IRS so much, because it's scummy,

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Speaker 2: there are people who just refuse to pay their taxes,

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Speaker 2: and that's a problem under the law. But if they

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Speaker 2: The law is the law. That's what they'll say. And

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Speaker 2: This is disastrous for our politics. This is disgraceful from

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Speaker 2: But now we have simultaneous contests for the future of

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Speaker 2: as far as they're concerned, just throw everything you have

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Speaker 2: also then brings us to the political side of this.

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Speaker 2: How can anyone think we're having a free and fair

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Speaker 2: How can anyone? I could I make the case to

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Speaker 4: I think thought that the reason that Smith probably decided

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Speaker 2: Andy, if if you were Trump's defense attorney in the

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Speaker 4: Have I gotten paid?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, You've already got your retainer. You're good on that.

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Speaker 4: Now I can think more clearly, Yeah, I think I'd

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Speaker 4: It's more like a political you know, it's a selective

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Speaker 4: Department with respect to Biden's classified information issue, but I

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Speaker 4: problem Trump has is he'll get a second bite at

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Speaker 4: the apple in Florida on this. But the judge in

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Speaker 4: Washington ruled that his attorney, Mark Corkoran, had to testify

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Speaker 4: turns out that that sworn statement that they gave to

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Speaker 4: of twenty twenty two, where they represented underwrote that they

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Speaker 4: It's going to be hard to say that he's you know,

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Speaker 2: What do you make andy of this? Of this it's

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Speaker 2: audio where Trump is talking about Irani, you know, some

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Speaker 2: If that is even approximately correct or real, is that

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, you know this as well as I do, Buck,

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Speaker 2: That world.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I've always thought that Trump's declassification spiel

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Speaker 4: And obviously the declassification doesn't help him at all with

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Speaker 4: So it doesn't matter for those purposes whether he declassified

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Speaker 2: He if he's found guilty. If you know, I've for

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Speaker 2: all it takes is one juror in Miami to see

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Speaker 2: what's going on here. But if he's found guilty, is

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Speaker 2: he going to prison? Probably?

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Speaker 4: I think in a case like this fuck ordinarily now

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Speaker 4: his age would and his lack of a meaningful criminal

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Speaker 4: record obviously would play in his favor as would the

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Speaker 4: fact that it would it would the country apart to

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Speaker 4: incarcerate him. I think even we're playing with fire and

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Speaker 4: doing what we're doing, we have gotten to the point

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Speaker 4: of jail. But just if you wanted to treat this

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Speaker 4: like any other case, the spionaj Act is taken seriously

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Speaker 4: by courts because of the national security implications of it.

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Speaker 4: But I don't you know, if there's a single category

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Speaker 4: of case, you know, put murder and terrorism and all

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Speaker 4: that stuff aside. If there's a single category of case

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Speaker 4: that I think judges and sentencing judges in particular takes seriously,

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Speaker 4: it's obstruction because that's basically what they deem that to

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Speaker 4: be is like a crime against the court, and generally speaking,

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Speaker 4: people who get convicted of obstruction crimes get time. I'm

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Speaker 4: not saying, you know, all these cases, all these counts

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Speaker 4: as we know, like the SPIONAJAC to ten year counts

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Speaker 4: and obstructions twenty year counts and lying to the grand

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Speaker 4: juries of five year counts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not going to jail for one hundred years,

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Speaker 2: we know that, but he might on obstruction. You think

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Speaker 2: they might say six months or something. Could that happen?

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Speaker 4: Or sure, absolutely could happen. There's nothing by the way,

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Speaker 4: though we're in we end in the same place we

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Speaker 4: always end, right. There's nothing in the constitution that says

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Speaker 4: that that disqualifies them from running for president.

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Speaker 2: These are crazy times. Andy, keep the phone handy. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna need you. Thanks for calling in, Andy, maccarthur, everybody

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Speaker 2: and we appreciate you. Take care, but no man, thank you?

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Speaker 1: Making sense in an insane world? Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 1: All right, so.

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Speaker 2: Everybody we know Clay is on vacation, but we knew

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Speaker 2: that this could happen where a huge breaking news would

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Speaker 2: come down about the indictment of Donald Trump, the federal

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Speaker 2: indictment that we now know is reality. And so he

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Speaker 2: has come off of the hiking trail here to tell

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Speaker 2: us his thoughts on a co host of this program,

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Speaker 2: of course, Clay Travis. Here he is with us. Clay,

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Speaker 2: sorry to interrupt your vacation, my friend, but everyone wants

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Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts on this. Just give us your

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Speaker 2: your your top line reactions.

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Speaker 3: So, first of all, Smoky Mountains are beautiful. I was

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Speaker 3: literally hiking in the Smoky Mountains dodging a bear craft

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Speaker 3: on the trails just shortly ago to start the morning.

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Speaker 3: But like I think a lot of people last night,

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Speaker 3: when the news came down, it just to me epitomized

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Speaker 3: the ultimate lie of Joe Biden's candidacy, which was he

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Speaker 3: was going to restore normalcy and a complete respect for democracy,

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Speaker 3: and instead he has embarked us on a path that

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Speaker 3: has never been taken in two hundred and forty plus

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Speaker 3: years of United States history. And I think that this

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Speaker 3: is why Buck and you know this because we've talked

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Speaker 3: about it a lot off the air, but this is

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Speaker 3: why we had Ryan DeSantis on, and why when we've

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Speaker 3: had so many different Republican presidential contenders on, we wanted

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Speaker 3: to ask the question, would you pardon Donald Trump in

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Speaker 3: the event that you are the nominal and the eventual

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Speaker 3: president taking the oath of office in January of twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five, because regardless of your politics Democrat, Republican, Independent,

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Speaker 3: I truly believe the precedent that is being set here

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Speaker 3: of it is acceptable to bring charges against your chief

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Speaker 3: political rival for let's be honest, relatively inconsequential issues of

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Speaker 3: procedural criminal misconduct. We're not talking about somebody committing a murder.

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Speaker 3: We're not talking about somebody getting drunk and driving in

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Speaker 3: a car and hitting someone right where there's a clear

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Speaker 3: criminal action. We're talking about a definite political prosecution. Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump would have never been a defendant on any of

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Speaker 3: these issues, either in New York, Atlanta, or certainly in

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Speaker 3: federal cases if he was still in office, right or

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Speaker 3: if he had never decided to enter into politics. And

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Speaker 3: so I think the Republican Party and reasonable independence, and frankly,

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Speaker 3: people who are not crazy Trump arrangement syndrome members of

529
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Speaker 3: the Democrat Party should all be aligned against the president

530
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Speaker 3: that's being set here, because this is what Banana republics do.

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Speaker 3: If it becomes the case that when you lose an election,

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Speaker 3: not only do you lose an election, but you potentially

533
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Speaker 3: are going to be put behind bars when you lose

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Speaker 3: that election. This is a fundamentally different world than we've

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Speaker 3: ever lived in as an American democracy before, and Trump

536
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Speaker 3: will not be the last president or former president to

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Speaker 3: face charges like these.

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Speaker 2: Clay, we're speaking of Clay Travis, co host of the

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Speaker 2: show Everybody, for joining us in progress here. Clay, you

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Speaker 2: think that the fact that this is going to be

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Speaker 2: in Miami, that it's going to be a Miami jury

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Speaker 2: pool is a big factor in this, Like, how do

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Speaker 2: you assess that component? Because I think that was a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a surprise everyone was expecting DC initially.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, this is where again I would give credit

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Speaker 3: to our call. You know, when we had Andy McCarthy

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Speaker 3: on last week, people may remember I specifically asked Andy

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Speaker 3: because the caller had been asking the question why was

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Speaker 3: this proceeding Given that it's obstruction charges and related to

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Speaker 3: classified documents that all seems to have originated from inside

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Speaker 3: of mar A Lago in Palm Beach in Florida, Why

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Speaker 3: was this taking place in Washington, d C? Or at

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Speaker 3: least the discussion surrounding where the charges would be taking

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Speaker 3: place all centered on Washington, d C. I think from

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Speaker 3: a procedural posture perspective, you know, warriors talk all the

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Speaker 3: time about the importance of forum and I think as

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Speaker 3: a as forums go, the charges being brought in Miami

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Speaker 3: is about as good of a jurisdiction as Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: could hope for. And I know we have a monster

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Speaker 3: listenership in South Florida, both podcasts and radio who are

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Speaker 3: listening to us right now. I think there are lots

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Speaker 3: of people listening to us, Buck who could be in

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Speaker 3: that jury pool. Heck, you could be in that jury pool.

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Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken. Your wife could be in that jury pool.

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Speaker 2: I haven't thought about that until now, but that would

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Speaker 2: be quite a situation.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, I mean you would get excluded because I don't

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Speaker 3: think they would allow you to serve on the jury.

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Speaker 3: But I think there are a lot of people who

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Speaker 3: are listening to us right now that have the exact

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Speaker 3: same political persuasions and thoughts as both of you and

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Speaker 3: I do about this case. But I think there's a

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Speaker 3: really good chance if there are twelve jurors seated in Miami,

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's crazy to think that at least

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Speaker 3: one of those people will, no matter what, refuse to

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Speaker 3: convict Donald Trump of anything because he or she sees

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Speaker 3: this as what it is, a political persecution. And you know,

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Speaker 3: the goal would be to get those people knocked off

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Speaker 3: of the jury. But let's imagine that you know, you're

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Speaker 3: a first generation recent arrival from Cuba or Venezuela, and

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Speaker 3: you have seen what happens in socialism run a muck,

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Speaker 3: and you have seen what countries can descend to when

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Speaker 3: politics moves into the courtroom and you try to put

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Speaker 3: political right in jail. You came to this country to

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Speaker 3: try to avoid living in a place where that could happen.

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Speaker 3: If I'm a recent arrival from Venezuela, or a recent

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Speaker 3: arrival from Cuba, or so many countries right all over

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Speaker 3: the world. I don't want to convict Donald Trump because

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Speaker 3: I don't want my country that I now have moved

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Speaker 3: to and that I love to end up this way.

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Speaker 3: And that says nothing of all of the You know,

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Speaker 3: people who've been in the United States for generations and

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Speaker 3: feel that way. But you know, well, as someone who

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Speaker 3: lives in Miami now, you are surrounded by people from

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Speaker 3: Latin America who have come to America for freedom and

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Speaker 3: are huge Trump supporters for that reason, because they believe

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Speaker 3: in American excellence and American exceptionalism. I think it's going

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Speaker 3: to be really hard. This is just my perspective. We

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Speaker 3: don't know the full scope of the charges, and we

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Speaker 3: don't know all the details yet, so we're obviously talking

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Speaker 3: in that scale, but I think we have a pretty

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Speaker 3: good sense of what they are. I think it's going

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Speaker 3: to be really hard to get a conviction in Miami,

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Speaker 3: I generally do. And again this comes back by question

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Speaker 3: that I've kind of been hammering on for a long

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Speaker 3: time is timing. You know, we've said on this show

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Speaker 3: we thought charges were going to come down in June

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Speaker 3: or July. Off air. The reason why I'm you know,

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Speaker 3: sitting talking to you right now is because we've been saying, hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be out Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. This you

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Speaker 3: know trip has been scheduled for a long time. But

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Speaker 3: I said, hey, it wouldn't shock me at all if

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Speaker 3: these charges came down on Friday. And instead they came

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Speaker 3: down you know, we became aware of them on Thursday evening.

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Speaker 3: But I think this is going to be, depending on

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Speaker 3: the timing, a really hard case to get a conviction on,

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Speaker 3: presuming that the jury pool is as I would anticipate,

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Speaker 3: as varied in political persuasion. This is not going in

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Speaker 3: front of the Washington DC kangaroo court that'll stamp anything

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Speaker 3: because it's ninety five percent Democrat. Fuck you know you

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Speaker 3: live there. I would think this is basically a fifty

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Speaker 3: to fifty America. Now, it's not Donald Trump getting charged

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Speaker 3: in you know, rural Alabama or rural Utah right where

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Speaker 3: there's like zero percent chanceyvicted of anything. But it is

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Speaker 3: kind of a jury that would be at least somewhat

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Speaker 3: representative of the larger American electorate, which is very evenly

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Speaker 3: divided on the question of who should be ruling and

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Speaker 3: running our country today.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Clay Travis, co host of this program, Clay,

631
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Speaker 2: the politics of this, I don't know how it's possible

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Speaker 2: that anyone can even make a case that there's not

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Speaker 2: a It feels like the twenty twenty four election is

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Speaker 2: tainted in some way before it even really gets fully underway.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of all it?

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Speaker 3: Well, this makes January sixth seem like jaywalking right right,

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Speaker 3: And this makes Russia collusion seem like I don't know,

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Speaker 3: maybe driving five miles over the speed limit on the

639
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Speaker 3: interstate and getting pulled over for violating the speed limit.

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Speaker 3: This is the most egregious, influential, consequential, indefensible act to

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Speaker 3: determine the outcome of an election that has ever occurred

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Speaker 3: in any of our lives. And so to me, like

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Speaker 3: for this is why I started off, and you asked

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Speaker 3: me a question. The ultimate message that Joe Biden ran

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Speaker 3: on was I'll restore normalcy to America. And the most

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Speaker 3: impactful thing that he has done in terms of democracy

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Speaker 3: now is exceed the parameters of precedent that to a

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Speaker 3: degree that we've never seen in two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: years in trying to have his Department of Justice put

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Speaker 3: Trump in jail, in prison instead of being able to

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Speaker 3: run against him for president of the United States. Who

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Speaker 3: truly never seen this, And so from a political perspective,

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Speaker 3: here's where I'd say, you have to I always try

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Speaker 3: to you know this, and we talk about this, try

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Speaker 3: take a step back and just kind of logically work

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Speaker 3: logical leading. What Democrats are trying to do in addition

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Speaker 3: to put Donald Trump in prison is they want Trump

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Speaker 3: to be the nominee. I really do believe this is

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Speaker 3: the political calculus. I believe they think that charging Trump

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Speaker 3: with all of these crimes simultaneously elevates him in the

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Speaker 3: Republican primary race by making him even more of a favorite,

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Speaker 3: making him more likely to be the nominee, while simultaneously

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Speaker 3: destroying him with independence and the people who are persuadable

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Speaker 3: Now that calculus could be wrong, right, because in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 3: Democrats were ecstatic that they were getting Trump against Hillary.

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Speaker 3: But Democrats in twenty twenty picked Biden specifically to run

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Speaker 3: against Trump. And I believe Democrats believe that if Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden is the nominee in twenty twenty four and we

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Speaker 3: get a rematch, that they will beat Trump again, and

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Speaker 3: they feel more confident in beating Trump than they do

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Speaker 3: any other Republican. So to me, if I'm looking at

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Speaker 3: this from the Democrat perspective, leaving aside the trampling all

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Speaker 3: over the ideals of American democracy and the awful precedent

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Speaker 3: that they're setting, from the raw political calculus, let's figure

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Speaker 3: out a way to win perspective, they believe this makes

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Speaker 3: Trump more likely to be the nominee. They are choosing

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Speaker 3: their fighter. They want Trump to go against Biden, and

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Speaker 3: they think they will beat Trump in twenty twenty four

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Speaker 3: and Biden will be a two term president and then

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Speaker 3: Trump will be gone too old, although they may try

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Speaker 3: They think that Donald Trump is unelectable, but they want

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Speaker 3: him to be the Republican nominee.

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Speaker 2: Let's come back in a second here with Clay Travis.

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Speaker 2: That's funny, it's funny to introduce you on your own show.

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Speaker 2: Clay Travis. Co Hostserty Travis said, Buck sexy, beautiful view.

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Speaker 2: That's the way to do it. We'll come back with

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to Clay and Buck. We've been

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Speaker 2: having Julie Kelly Yon now for well, really the whole

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Speaker 2: time Clay and I have been doing the show together,

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Speaker 2: but stretching back for months, she was telling us that

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Speaker 2: a federal indictment of Donald Trump was coming. In fact,

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Speaker 2: she said at one point it was one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: and then more recently one hundred and ten percent. And

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Speaker 2: now we know that prediction, unfortunately for the Republic, but

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Speaker 2: that prediction was accurate. Julie Kelly is the author of

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Speaker 2: January sixth, a book I recommend to all of you,

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Speaker 2: and also a writer for American Greatness. She joins us, Now, Julie,

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Speaker 2: you were right. Let me just ask you, is there

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Speaker 2: any surprise so far in how exactly the charges have

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Speaker 2: been laid out or how this has gone down.

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Speaker 5: No, not so much related to the charges for classified documents.

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Speaker 5: What I find pretty surprising and actually very shady is

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Speaker 5: the fact that DOJ and then Jack Smith, who took

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Speaker 5: over this investigation in November of twenty twenty two, litigated

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Speaker 5: this entire case behind the scenes, closed doors grand jury

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Speaker 5: in Washington, d C. They then last basically moved all

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Speaker 5: of it to Florida, realizing they had a venue problem.

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Speaker 5: Or I think they got very favorable reperstamp rulings by

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Speaker 5: the Chief Judge Eryl Howland d C, who was an

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Speaker 5: Obama appointed judge and a brazen partisan in court. She

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Speaker 5: does not try to hide her contempt for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: So they basically conducted the entire investigation Washington, d C.

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Speaker 5: Then it looks like last month moved it to DC,

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Speaker 5: and the New York Times reported all they had to

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Speaker 5: do was read to a grand jury in Florida the

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Speaker 5: transcripts of what had happened in Washington, d C. So

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Speaker 5: what doesn't even look like the same process unfolded in

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Speaker 5: the southern in Miami District that it did in Washington,

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Speaker 5: D C. If that's a new standard of justice, that

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Speaker 5: should alarm people across the spectrum. So it looks like

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Speaker 5: this grand jury in Miami kind of thrown together read

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Speaker 5: whatever happened in DC came down into seven counts, and

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Speaker 5: of course, as you've reported, Donald Trump will be arranged

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Speaker 5: in Miami on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Well wait, I'm sorry, Julie, can you just so the

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Speaker 2: grand jury in Miami was read, explain a little more,

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Speaker 2: was read what happened in DC and made the determination

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Speaker 2: based off of that.

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Speaker 5: That's what it looks like, Buck, That is what the

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Speaker 5: New York Times was reporting, And that was the first

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Speaker 5: outlet that disclosed this floor to grand jury. All of

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Speaker 5: the proceedings had been happening in DC before grand jury's

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Speaker 5: in Washington, d C. Then all of a sudden, the

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Speaker 5: New York Times reports this week that there's a grand

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Speaker 5: jury that was mpaneled in May, and apparently they've been

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Speaker 5: hearing a few witnesses, but one expert said, Oh, this

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Speaker 5: is no big deal. All they do is take all

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Speaker 5: the transcripts from the grand jury proceedings in Washington and

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Speaker 5: they read it out to the grand jury in Miami,

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Speaker 5: and that's how they determine their charges. That sounds pretty shady,

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Speaker 5: don't you think. I'm not a lawyer, but it's really

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Speaker 5: beyond the pale because everyone sort of assumed that these

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Speaker 5: charges would come out of the DC District Court and

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Speaker 5: they suddenly changed it to Miami, realizing that any of

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Speaker 5: the alleged crimes, especially the obstruction count, would have happened

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Speaker 5: in Palm Beach at mar A Lago. So this will

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Speaker 5: probably be pretty good evidence for Team Trump to accuse

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Speaker 5: the prosecutors of misconduct, which we're already hearing some rumblings about.

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Speaker 5: But this is not it does not appear to be

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Speaker 5: a normal procedure, especially in a historical case, the first

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Speaker 5: federal charges ever against a former president.

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Speaker 2: So, Julie, you saw this coming obviously and told us

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Speaker 2: that this was going to happen. I wanted to get

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Speaker 2: your take on where this is going next. What do

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Speaker 2: you see because I've just seen from Twitter, and I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is my belief as well. This isn't even the

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Speaker 2: There are more indictments coming, but this isn't even the

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Speaker 2: last of the federal indictments. Is that how you see

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Speaker 2: it and what's going to happen if it plays out

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Speaker 2: as you think it will, Well, this.

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Speaker 5: Is going to be nothing compared to the multi count

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Speaker 5: fel any criminal indictment that Jack Smith will ultimately issue

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Speaker 5: related to Trump's role in the events of January sixth,

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Speaker 5: as we've talked about for a long time, that's going

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Speaker 5: to be the big bombshell this. I think people are

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Speaker 5: kind of like, Okay, well, crest By documents, do we

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Speaker 5: see them? He obstructed? This is not as as dangerous

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Speaker 5: to Donald Trump as the counts that it will be

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Speaker 5: coming down from Jack Smith. He's took over two investigations,

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Speaker 5: the crest By documents and January sixth, So potential counts

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Speaker 5: in that indictment. Bock could be seditious conspiracy. As we've

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Speaker 5: talked about obstruction of an official proceeding, which is pretty certain,

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Speaker 5: conspiring to obstruct Congress, tampering with evidence, et cetera. The

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Speaker 5: seditious conspiracy one is a big one though. That is

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Speaker 5: what ten members of the Youth Keepers and prowdboys have

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Speaker 5: been convicted on that is sort of tantamount to treason.

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Speaker 5: It's no Americans have ever been convicted of it until

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Speaker 5: the January sixth prosecution. Of course, not a difficult guilty

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Speaker 5: plea to get in Washington, d C. But that, I

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Speaker 5: believe is the direction where Jack Smith is now moving.

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Speaker 5: So you will have dual criminal cases court cases happening

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Speaker 5: at the same time, one in Florida, one in Washington,

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Speaker 5: D C. While Donald Trump is trying to run for president.

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Speaker 5: This is what the Biden, Garland Lisamonico DOJ wants to happen,

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Speaker 5: and unfortunately for America, that is exactly what will happen.

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Speaker 2: We're speaking to Julie Kelly, author of January sixth, how

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Speaker 2: Democrats use the capital protest to launch a war on

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Speaker 2: terror against the political right. Julie, there, I think one

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Speaker 2: part of this everyone understands right now that this is

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Speaker 2: election interference. Effectively, this is meant to already skew the election. Whoever,

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Speaker 2: whether Trump is the nominee or not. I mean looks

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Speaker 2: like based on the poles he's going to be. But

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Speaker 2: they're interfering in the twenty twenty four presidential election with

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Speaker 2: this But one piece of this that I think it's

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Speaker 2: hard for a lot of us, you know, I self

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Speaker 2: included two time Trump voters who celebrated his presidency to

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Speaker 2: just comprehend they do. They really think they're going to

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Speaker 2: be able to lock him up in a prison and

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Speaker 2: that people will just be okay with that. Do you

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Speaker 2: think do you think their eventual goal is to put

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Speaker 2: him in a cell or is Joe Biden going to

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Speaker 2: maybe step in and commute the sentence or something. What

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Speaker 2: do you think happens.

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Speaker 5: It's such a great question. I don't know except for

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Speaker 5: the fact that yes, they do want Donald Trump and handcuffs.

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Speaker 5: They do want him in prison. The Democratic base, they

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Speaker 5: have ratcheted these half of our country up to this

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Speaker 5: point of bloodlust that is really sort of terrifying. But

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Speaker 5: this is exactly what people like Lisa Monico, the Deputy

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Speaker 5: Attorney General, longtime Obama loyalist, she was in on the

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Speaker 5: Russia collusion hoax. She is running the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 5: This is a fulfillment of their what now seven year

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Speaker 5: criminal prosecution into Donald Trump, trying to get him in

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Speaker 5: handcuffs and get him in jail. And they want to

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Speaker 5: do this not just for political reasons, but because they

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Speaker 5: this is a personal, personal, professional mission for these people

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Speaker 5: at the DOJ and in the Biden regime.

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Speaker 2: And if they were to do this, what do they

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Speaker 2: think the reaction of the American people will be about

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Speaker 2: institutions like the DOJ. I mean this, everyone's saying this is,

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Speaker 2: you know, third world dictator Banana public defeat your opposition

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Speaker 2: by throwing them in a cell somewhere. If someone tells

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Speaker 2: me that's how they feel, I have to look at

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Speaker 2: them and say, yeah, that is how this feels.

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Speaker 5: They want us to feel that way. They are so

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Speaker 5: not drunk with power, but they are authoritarians. They want

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Speaker 5: people to realize that they have this authority in power,

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Speaker 5: that they will use it to crush their political opponents,

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Speaker 5: and that there's nothing we can do about it. Back.

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Speaker 5: They want us to realize the power that they have,

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Speaker 5: that they have no boundaries, they have no oversight by Congress,

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Speaker 5: they have no guard rails in federal courts like the

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Speaker 5: DC District Court. They get whatever they want. They bring

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Speaker 5: these cases before DC juris made up of voters in

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Speaker 5: a city that's almost one hundred percent Democrats. They know

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Speaker 5: they're going to get their way. They know the only

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Speaker 5: thing we can do is complain about it, write harsh letters,

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Speaker 5: you know, make threats, content to Congress, et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 5: impeachment that's not going to happen. They want us to

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Speaker 5: realize the power that they have and that they will

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Speaker 5: use it to crush us. Everyone from Donald Trump to

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Speaker 5: his lawyers, his close associates down to the Indiana Mima

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Speaker 5: who walked through the capital for ten minutes with Maga

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Speaker 5: had On. They love this. They don't want to pretend

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Speaker 5: that they're that, you know, this is rule of law

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Speaker 5: and constitution, even though they say that they are good

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Speaker 5: little Marxists and they they are enjoying every minute of this.

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Speaker 5: They don't care what it does to the country or

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Speaker 5: the constitution.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Julie, because you know, you've been

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Speaker 2: very close to all this, because you've seen the machinery

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Speaker 2: of destruction that the DC judicial system became with regard

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Speaker 2: to January sixth defendants. I mean, there are the fact

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Speaker 2: that there are people that spent you know, eighteen months

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Speaker 2: in solitary confinement in the United States for nonviolent crimes,

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Speaker 2: people who weren't armed, who did nothing violent, who didn't

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Speaker 2: even destroy property. That should shock the conscience of all Americans.

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Speaker 2: It happened. It happened under Joe Biden, who poses as

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Speaker 2: this grandfatherly uniter when really he's the most I actually

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Speaker 2: would argue, now he's more divisive than Barack Obama was.

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Speaker 2: I think Joe Biden is in a league of his own.

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Speaker 2: And what do you think, what do you think we

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Speaker 2: can do about this? When you saw this up close

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Speaker 2: and personal, I think you understand the mentality of the

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Speaker 2: other side. What's the proper way to respond?

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Speaker 5: You know, Buck, I wish I knew. It's very easy

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Speaker 5: to despair, and I try not to allow myself to

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Speaker 5: get to that point when I'm covering these hearings and

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Speaker 5: especially these jury trials. What these prosecutors and FBI investigators

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Speaker 5: are allowed to get away within court, these juries who

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Speaker 5: are so partisan, admitting in a jury selection process that

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Speaker 5: they are Democrats, that they consider these people insurrectionists and traders.

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Speaker 5: You know that they attend left wing demonstrations in Washington,

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Speaker 5: d C. And they are still seed on these uh,

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Speaker 5: on these jury panels. I just don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you know, we have a very slim majority in Congress,

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Speaker 5: right now, Uh, the Republicans in the Senate have been

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Speaker 5: silent for the most part. Is this has uh has

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Speaker 5: gone on, and so I really I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I guess the best we can do is keep exposing

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Speaker 5: who these people are, what they're capable of, and you know,

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Speaker 5: just hope for the best for our country. But I

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Speaker 5: agree with you, Joe Biden is a contemptible man. I

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Speaker 5: think he's probably he is the worst person to ever

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Speaker 5: sit in the White House on every single level. And

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Speaker 5: he has put people around him who are just as

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Speaker 5: bad as he is, including Merrick Garland, who is, to

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Speaker 5: your point, kind of puts on the grandfather Lee. I'm

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Speaker 5: here a rule of law. No he's not. You know,

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Speaker 5: these people, there's.

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Speaker 2: Only one yeah, board January sixth How Democrats use the

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Speaker 2: capital protest to launch war tear against the political right.

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Speaker 2: That's Julie's book. If you want to understand the current moment,

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Speaker 2: knowing the history of how we got here, as is

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Speaker 2: told in that book, is well worth the read. Julie,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much as always, and also you were right.

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Speaker 2: We told you would have you back on the show

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Speaker 2: you said it was coming.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Thanks so much for having me.

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