WEBVTT - How Morgellons Disease Works 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.280 Welcome to you stuff you should know from how stuff 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:12.959 Works dot com. Hey, welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:15.640 Clark and Charles W. Chuck, Bryan Jerry are with me. 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:20.680 So of course as this should know. I know that 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:25.400 is false, sir, because this is probably the most interesting, 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.479 weirdest podcast we've done in a long long time. I 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:31.960 thought it was. I was I had never heard of this. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:33.479 You sent it my way. I was like, all right, 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:37.680 some some disease, Like, let's cover some disease. And then 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.199 I started started reading it and I was just like, 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.960 what the world mind going on? And I still don't 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.960 know what's going on. It's totally fascinating. Well you are 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:52.000 in the majority, Chuck about not knowing about it. Yeah, yeah, 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.880 it's a mysterious disease of some sort and there's a 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:59.720 great battle going on. But is it even a disease? 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:04.120 Very controversial, that's the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah, And we're 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.600 um and we're talking about it based on an article 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:10.080 from how stuff Works. Um, what we're talking about is 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:15.399 I say more gelons, Chuck and Martin Basher say more gelons. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:20.959 I saw on some pronunciation site more jellons. But we're 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:23.000 both gonna make a hard g sound. How about that. 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.120 We can agree on the hard g okay um. But 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:32.800 what we're talking about is this disease that was basically discovered, 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:38.680 first described in two thousand two. Initially that will make 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.280 your radar go up, because that is super new. But 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:46.160 the name itself is borrowed from a seventeenth century obscure 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:52.240 French medical text Morgelons more gelons, however you want to pronounce. 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:56.560 It was first used to describe some weird condition where 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:01.000 coarse hair grew out of the backs of children. If 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.600 you go on to any Morglon's research site and research 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.920 the origin of the name, you will also usually see 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.440 right afterwards a sentence that says, that's not what this is. 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.919 It's just this lady used the same name the first 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.640 person to describe it. That's a good way to say that, 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.680 because her son had it. Yeah, the the lady in 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:27.079 questions name was Mary Liteo. That's how I'm pronouncing her name. 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.600 No hard g um. But she had a two year 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:34.200 old who at the time was saying uh, bugs and 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.919 pointing to his lip and um, he had some sort 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.639 of sores around his lips, and when she looked closely, 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.800 she saw that there was some strange threads or string 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.520 or some fibers coming out of these sores and his lips, 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:56.000 and she became alarmed. She did and uh, she, like 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:01.080 almost every sufferer from this odd is it a disease 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.320 or not, since then, has had a really hard time 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:09.560 getting diagnosis, getting doctors to take her seriously. Um, so 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.880 much so that she formed a support group h and 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:19.080 a website, the More Gellons Research Foundation, And uh, I 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:20.639 guess we just need to get into it. I mean, 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.760 it is one of the oddest things I've ever heard. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:28.000 It's dermacological, it's about the skin. Um. There are sores, 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.919 there's a lot of itching, and that The most mysterious 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:36.960 thing about it, though, is like you said, these blue, red, black, 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:41.440 and I think white fibers And you can look up 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.000 more gallons if you type in more gallons fibers and 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.720 immin search that you're gonna see these things. And they 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.480 just look like little threads coming out of your skin 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.880 or burrowed beneath your skin. So the thing is chuck, 0:03:55.200 --> 0:04:01.080 is you know, fibers associated with sores on somebody's body. Weird, 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.200 but not the most mysterious thing in the universe. The 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:09.800 problem is is there's a guy, a professor of pharmacology 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:15.560 at Oklahoma State University named Randy Wymore who took an 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.919 interest in morgalance Diseasey doesn't have it himself, but he 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.760 read about it and thought, well, all we all you 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.520 have to do is you know, look at these fibers. Yeah, 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.480 it's probably an ingrown hair or something. And with the 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:34.680 research carried out independently by UM Dr why Moore, the 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:39.080 weirdness the legend began to grow because it was first 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:40.920 identified in two tho two, when I think in two 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.960 thousand five he heard about it and started researching. So 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.560 he got in touch with um morgalon sufferers and said, hey, 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.280 send me some of these weird fibers and I want 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:54.120 to check him out. And apparently when he asked for 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.839 some assistance and identifying what the fibers were, he found 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:02.760 that not all of them could be conclusively identified. Yeah, 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.919 like not as Oh well I can't tell is it 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:09.320 some weird animal hair or is it a cotton fiber? 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.520 Is it nylon? They weren't able to identify them at all. 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.719 As a it did not exist in the FBI database. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:23.599 It was not plant or animal um or or and 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:27.720 it didn't match any of the eighty thousand plus synthetic 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:31.960 fibers that are in in the FBI database. Yeah, so 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:35.080 it literally was um. I mean, he he brought one 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:39.920 even to a specialist who I think from a police 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.360 department that does this for a living, looked at under 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.000 microscope and he was like, I've never seen anything like 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:49.080 this in my life. So the the the mystery took 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.400 root at that point. Oh yeah, in a big way. Um. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:57.520 And the problem is, though, is the more morgelons are 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.880 more Gelon sufferers. We have no idea how many there are, 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:09.839 because the medical establishment has concluded that there's no such thing. Yeah. 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.440 I mean this article is written in what like two 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:17.520 thousand ten, it said fourteen thousand confirmed. But um, if 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.840 you're not being diagnosed, or if you're told you might 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.120 be crazy, which we'll get to in a minute, Um, 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.920 then yeah, who knows how many people? And man, it's 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.120 just it gets more and more interesting, it does, so. Um. 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:35.280 In addition to fibers, there's all sorts of horrible symptoms 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:39.360 that Morgelon sufferers report. So first of all, you feel 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:44.120 like you are infested with bugs. Yeah, that's the big, 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.160 the creepiest one. As you literally they all talk about 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:51.719 burrowing sensation and they all say bugs, like something is 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.560 under my skin and it's moving exactly. A lot of 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.320 them report feeling like a certain kind of grittiness under 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:01.360 their skin and um, often on the underside of their eyelids. 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:05.479 And a lot of people who have Morgellons say that's 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:09.039 those are eggs. They have um all sorts of sores 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:14.840 that itch like crazy, that um from which fibers are 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:20.560 pitted or come up from or whatever. Yeah. Um, those 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.520 fibers can be anywhere on the skin. And the weird 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:26.080 thing is they can pop up in places that people 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.920 can't reach with their arms. Right, and you're gonna start 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.720 itching during this podcast? We apologize. Were you itching when 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.240 you were reading this stuff? No, I was surprised. I wasn't, man, 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.440 I was itching like crazy. It occurred to me. Have 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.200 we ever done one on itching? I feel like we have, 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.680 because when I read some of that stuff will get 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.960 too later from that that one researcher, it felt really familiar. 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:48.480 It did to me too, But I looked it up 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:52.320 and there's nothing. There's no podcast in our archive on it. 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.960 I know we've done something because I remember specifically talking 0:07:56.000 --> 0:08:05.160 about its being a dull they all pain right spoilers, Okay, 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.440 that comes later. So Um, like I said, those fibers 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:12.400 can appear anywhere on the body, and um sometimes they 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.680 move too. So if you're a Morgalon suffer, you're you're 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.840 pretty much convinced that you are infested with some sort 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.960 of weird bug, some kind of parasite. Maybe that's that's 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:27.400 inhabiting your skin with laying eggs, and um, you have 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:31.280 a basically a compulsion and obsession, is how it's described 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.880 by a lot of Morgalon sufferers to get these things 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.440 out of your skin wherever they are. There's one person 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.640 there's this awesome article called The Itch Nobody Can Scratch 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.199 by will Store, highly recommended. Yeah, it's it's a long 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.800 form article and it's worth every minute you spend on it. 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.440 Um And uh it was it's on medium dot com, 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:56.040 I think is where we found it. And uh, there's 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.440 one one Morgalon suffer who's interviewed in there who's talking 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.600 about um, noticing a fiber, feeling it on their eyeball 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.640 and then looking in the mirror the magnifying glass because 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:12.200 he's are thought to be very tiny bugs and um 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:15.920 seeing this little fiber moving across the prison's eyeball, So 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.600 they took a pair of tweezers to their eyeball to 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.520 get this thing out. This is the kind of suffering 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.120 that these people are going through. Yeah, this other lady 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:30.240 uh soaked her body in baths of bleach. Um. People 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.880 like we'll get turned away from doctors, are told they're crazy, 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:39.040 to the point where they contemplate or commit suicide because 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.000 it's so maddening and the itching is so maddening, and 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.920 to not be taken seriously, it's so maddening to be 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:51.280 told it's a psychiatric condition. Uh. But in two thousand eight, UM, 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.640 after thousands and thousands of people wrote into Congress, people 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:58.119 like John McCain and Hillary Clinton and at the time Obama, 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.040 they urged the CDC to do a study d and 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.080 uh we will tell you the results of that study 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:08.560 right after this message break. Okay, So there is a 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.320 disease or is it a disease very mysterious in origin. 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.680 No one takes the sufferers seriously or not. No one 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.080 but the medical community at large doesn't take them seriously. 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.760 And we'll talk about why. But one reason why is 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.280 because of the findings of the c d C, which 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:28.440 said that there was no singer, a single underlying medical 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:32.400 condition or infectious source that was identified. Most sores appeared 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.079 to be the result of chronic scratching and picking without 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.280 a cause. Materials and fibers obtained from skin biopsy specimens 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:44.599 were mostly cellulose compatible with cotton fibers um. A substantial 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.520 number of the participants in the study scored highly in 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:52.319 screening tests for one or more coexisting psychiatric or addictive conditions, 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:57.080 including depression, somatic concerns, which is an indicator preoccupation with 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:02.600 health issues, and drug use. Apparently, of the participants in 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:07.440 the study tested positive for drugs, they demonstrated no infectious cause, 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.120 no evidence of environmental link, no indication that would be 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:14.280 helpful to perform additional testing as potential causes, and future 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:19.120 efforts should focus on helping patients reduce their symptoms. So 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:23.480 there you have it. The CDC loudly said, these are 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.559 people that are just scratching themselves too much and becoming 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:31.040 obsessed with that. Yes, and with that CDC study, the 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.600 door kind of closed, at least for the time being, 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.680 on any help from the medical establishment. Yeah, so let's recap. 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:42.400 If you have more glance disease, you have welts all 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:46.360 over your body, from which there seemed to be fibers 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:52.040 of possibly an unknown origin sprouting. Um. You constantly itch, 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.679 so you're constantly scratching. So those those welts are getting 0:11:55.679 --> 0:12:01.679 worse and worse and worse. Um, you feel like stinging sensations. 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.880 A lot of people compare them to being stuck with 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:12.000 compass needles all over your body. Um, And when you 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:16.600 go to your doctor, they tell you that you're wrong, 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.800 that stop scratching yourself. This is all in your head. 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.880 One of the very few academic papers that wasn't written 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:30.920 by a member of a Morglon's research organization said this 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.760 is most likely all in their head. And what you 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.640 should do if you're a physician and somebody comes to 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.840 you with what they think is Morgalon's disease, is that 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:45.400 you should give them a anti parasitic ointment just to 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:51.040 basically get them to trust you, and then prescribe antipsychotics. 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:55.040 Because what the medical establishment, and especially now that the 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:58.600 CDC study came in, believe is that this is something 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.800 called delusional paracitosis. Yeah, the belief that you have bugs 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.959 living in your skin, that everyone who has morgal one 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:12.280 disease is crazy. That's what the medical establishment thinks. Yeah, 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.560 but they don't say things like crazy. No, they don't know, 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.640 but they're they're saying like, you are delusional, you have 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.199 a false belief that you have bugs on your skin. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.720 But the thing is, if you look at morgal and suffers, 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:28.240 there's people from all different walks of life. Yeah, this 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:29.800 is the I mean, the initial kid was a two 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:36.120 year old Oakland A's baseball picture, Billy Cooke. He left 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.760 the game because, well for a lot of reasons, but 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.320 this was one of them, because he suffered Joni Mitchell, Yeah, 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:46.280 you ever heard of her, famous singer, She suffers from 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.199 it um. In this will store article, there's a guy 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:54.720 named Paul who's a successful, seeming middle manager type from Texas, 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.239 and all these people, there's a doctor, a general practitioner 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.680 who has it. Should talk about him. All of these 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:07.560 people are are reporting similar symptoms. So the idea is, 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.840 if it's all delusional parasitosis, how is it possible that 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.959 all these people think they have the same thing. Well, 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.800 one answer that they think might be the case is 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.400 the internet because people start itching and they think what 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:23.920 in the world is going on with the sore? And 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.800 they look on the internet and they find more Gallant's disease, 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.520 and then they self diagnose. All this came about in 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.320 two thousand two. Is that a coincidence? I don't know, 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.240 but I know that self diagnosis is a problem. Um. 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:38.680 And I still don't know what to think about this. 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:42.920 When you read these stories, you feel awful for these people. Um. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.480 That's the science can usually crack the code at some 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:49.640 point though everyone is saying there these people. No one 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.680 is saying that they're not suffering. Like, these people are 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:57.040 very much suffering. But the medical establishment is saying, it's 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:58.960 all in your head. We have a name for it. 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:04.440 It's called delusional parasitosis. Um. The people who have mor 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.440 Galiss disease are saying, like, no, this isn't in my head. 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:11.440 I've got fibers, like some of them have trapped bugs supposedly, 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.600 like they're they're saying, you guys aren't listening to me. 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.440 You can give me anti psychotics all you want, but 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.640 it's not gonna cure it. Yeah, And it's it's that 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.920 also that you fall into the trap. I read The 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:28.560 psychopath Test by John Ronson um fantastic book, by the way, 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.120 but there's a guy in there that tried to get 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.560 out of a jail sentence for an assault by pretending 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.600 he was crazy, got sent up to the worst middle 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.960 institution in England, and it was like, I'll be able 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:41.760 to get out of here in no time. The more 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.640 saying he appeared to try to be, the more crazy 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:48.000 they thought he was. And that's the same thing that 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.680 goes on with a lot of morgell And sufferers is 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.440 the more rationally we tried to talk about this, the 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:57.080 more they were like, Okay, let's just take it easy 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.160 and we'll get to the bottom of this. And it's uh. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.000 And they point out, I think the uh author of 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.800 the thing you recommended was called the chicken and egg thing, 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.880 like it makes them spin out of control and depressed 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:14.400 in suicidal and and nuts. So but is that you 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.040 know which came first? Exactly? So are you suffering from 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:25.760 um these psychotic symptoms right or um mentally imbalanced symptoms 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:30.080 because as yeah, and from not being listened to or 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:34.680 are you you know, are you suffering this these these 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:38.320 physical symptoms because you're out of it a little bit. Yeah, 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.240 and it is a chicken or the egg kind of question. 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:46.440 But um, the idea of the fibers, that one is 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.320 a big one that a lot of people with morbilon 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.640 suffers point to. They're like, well, wait a minute. People 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:54.600 have found that these fibers can't be explained by anybody. 0:16:55.280 --> 0:17:00.680 So is that the case? Well, Uh, your buddy Randy Wymore, Um, 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:02.680 he's really taking the mantle here, like I really like 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.920 this guy has done this. Uh. He the first time, 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.639 like we said, he went to the police department and 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.560 they found no known match in the database and couldn't 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.800 figure out what it was. Later on he asked for 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:19.360 um uh samples from sufferers and had them send them 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:24.359 to him. He took those in and uh, it was 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.800 pretty disappointed by the results when he sent them to 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.160 a lab to identify because they found that they were 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:36.320 somewhere cotton, somewhere nylon. Um. He said, it was pretty disappointing. 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.400 One was a fungal residue, When was a human hair, 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:43.000 When was a rodent hair, One was a goose down. Uh. 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:44.720 And so the author, you know, the author of this 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.520 paper was saying, were you disappointing. He said, well, yeah, 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.600 sure I was. But there were um some there was 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.360 one that was unknown and he said, so it was unknown. 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.359 He said, well, they said it was a big fungal fiber, 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:59.080 but they weren't completely sure, so he was kind of 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:03.080 debunked a little bit. So it's weird. It's like, sometimes 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.320 these fibers are real things, and sometimes it seem like 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.480 they're not right. So and with the fibers, it's um 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:14.480 there's a definite belief among the medical establishment that these 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:18.880 are just ordinary, everyday fibers. And if you start paying 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:22.520 attention to any spot on your body right, you're probably 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.720 going to be able to find a fiber. And if 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:28.320 that suddenly has some sort of significance to you and 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.000 you fixate on that, then you can easily fall down 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:35.280 this mental rabbit hole that Morgalon suffers. Supposedly are are 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.280 under the influence of Yeah, and and here's a tip, 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.639 and this is something I didn't know about. If you 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.639 have anything on your body that you pick off your 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.800 body or any just strange skin thing, and you put 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.560 it in a zip block back, take it to your doctor, 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.119 that's a sign to them. And I've never heard this, 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.040 but it's called the matchbox sign, and it's been they've 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.920 been calling it this since the nineteen thirties. And apparently 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.200 doctors when they see you bring anything and say, hey, 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.439 what's this weird thing? They go, okay, here's another another 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:07.240 crazy person, right, so you you it's a huge catch 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.520 twenty two because Morgalon suffers. One of the symptoms of 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:14.320 this disease are things that come off your body, whether 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:18.600 it's some sort of colored fiber or um little black 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:22.000 specs that's that fall off on mass from the body. 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.679 I forgot about those. They come off your body. And 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:26.840 if you're a Morgalon stuffer, well you think, like, I 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.760 need to show this to my doctor. Is evidence, But 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:33.480 in doing so, as far as the medical establishment is concerned, 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:38.960 you are immediately prima facie proving yourself to be mentally imbalanced, 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:43.000 and that's your problem. All you're doing by bringing this 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:50.480 evidence is supporting this diagnosis of delusional parasitology or parasitism. Yeah, 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.680 and that's there there go to. Yeah, if you bring 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.520 it in in a little matchbox or's a bluck bag, 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:56.880 they're thinking, all right, here we go. This person thinks 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.760 they have bugs under their skin. Exactly. 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All right, 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:55.880 let's talk about Dr and Louise Oaklander because the author 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:57.480 I keep calling the author who was at the road 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:00.280 and again Will Store, Yeah, Will Store got into with 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:04.480 this um professor at Harvard Medical School and she is 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:08.439 an itch specialist, a neurologist, and he thought, you know, 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:11.240 she would quickly dismiss him, but she was actually had 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:15.359 heard of it and was into it. And um, what 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:18.359 she thinks is that it's a chronic itch disorder that 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.479 isn't being taken seriously. Yeah, she feels like the medical 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:26.520 establishment is mistreating Morgalon sufferers by just completely discounting them 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:30.320 is all crazy, rather than doing any real investigation. Yeah, 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.280 I'm sure he was stoked to meet her at least, 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:35.479 and that's the case. Also, I should say the general 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:38.560 view of the CDC investigation that it was just basically 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:42.760 them going through the motions, or at at worst they 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:45.880 were looking for evidence to back up their own ideas 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:49.320 that it was delusional parasiteis m Yeah, sufferers I think 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.760 said the study was jump going in, so what is it? 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:56.439 Garbage going in, garbage comes out, So they didn't take 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.040 much stock in it. Um. But what we were talking 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:01.560 about earlier in nine eighty seven, a team of researchers 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:03.800 in Germany found the itch wasn't what we all thought 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:06.639 it was, which was a weak form of pain um 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:08.960 And they said that an itch has its own, separate, 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:14.639 dedicated network of nerves, and she thinks that if your brain, 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:17.560 you know, she likens it to like a mosquito lands 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.399 on your skin and you can't you can feel it, 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:22.480 you don't realize you're feeling it. But your your brain 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:24.280 picks up on it, so you go to itch it 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:27.120 or slap at it. And she thinks that that's why 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:31.280 we evolve to itch um, is to prevent insects from 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:34.359 landing on us, and that that's all this is. Your 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.360 brain doesn't differentiate. If you think there's a bug, then 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:39.760 your brain thinks there's a bug, whether it is or not. Right. 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:42.760 So her idea is that it's an itch disorder where 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:44.960 there's not a bug, but your brain is getting those 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:48.920 signals and it's driving you crazy. Um and that this 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:52.520 isn't being investigated and as a result, there's tens of thousands, 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:56.199 if not more, people out there suffering, being treated like 0:23:56.240 --> 0:24:01.040 they're crazy and being offered absolutely no relief whatsoever from medicine. 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:04.240 And then the doctor was the one that really blew 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:06.760 me away. He got the end of the article. The 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:09.720 doctor from the UK, the general practitioner. Yeah, his name 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:13.399 is doctor nick Mann. And uh, he didn't even know 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:14.760 he was an author when he got in touch with 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:19.520 doctor Man. Yeah, he just thought he was just a 0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:24.160 regular morgel and sufferer. And he described his experience that 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:27.520 his legs started itching after a walk. He was convinced 0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.440