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Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from how stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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Speaker 1: Clark and Charles W. Chuck, Bryan Jerry are with me.

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Speaker 1: So of course as this should know. I know that

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Speaker 1: is false, sir, because this is probably the most interesting,

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Speaker 1: weirdest podcast we've done in a long long time. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was. I was I had never heard of this.

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Speaker 1: You sent it my way. I was like, all right,

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Speaker 1: some some disease, Like, let's cover some disease. And then

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Speaker 1: I started started reading it and I was just like,

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Speaker 1: what the world mind going on? And I still don't

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Speaker 1: know what's going on. It's totally fascinating. Well you are

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Speaker 1: in the majority, Chuck about not knowing about it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a mysterious disease of some sort and there's a

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Speaker 1: great battle going on. But is it even a disease?

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Speaker 1: Very controversial, that's the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah, And we're

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Speaker 1: um and we're talking about it based on an article

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Speaker 1: from how stuff Works. Um, what we're talking about is

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Speaker 1: I say more gelons, Chuck and Martin Basher say more gelons.

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Speaker 1: I saw on some pronunciation site more jellons. But we're

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Speaker 1: both gonna make a hard g sound. How about that.

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Speaker 1: We can agree on the hard g okay um. But

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about is this disease that was basically discovered,

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Speaker 1: first described in two thousand two. Initially that will make

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Speaker 1: your radar go up, because that is super new. But

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Speaker 1: the name itself is borrowed from a seventeenth century obscure

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Speaker 1: French medical text Morgelons more gelons, however you want to pronounce.

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Speaker 1: It was first used to describe some weird condition where

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Speaker 1: coarse hair grew out of the backs of children. If

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Speaker 1: you go on to any Morglon's research site and research

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Speaker 1: the origin of the name, you will also usually see

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Speaker 1: right afterwards a sentence that says, that's not what this is.

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Speaker 1: It's just this lady used the same name the first

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Speaker 1: person to describe it. That's a good way to say that,

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Speaker 1: because her son had it. Yeah, the the lady in

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Speaker 1: questions name was Mary Liteo. That's how I'm pronouncing her name.

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Speaker 1: No hard g um. But she had a two year

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Speaker 1: and she became alarmed. She did and uh, she, like

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Speaker 1: almost every sufferer from this odd is it a disease

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Speaker 1: or not, since then, has had a really hard time

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Speaker 1: getting diagnosis, getting doctors to take her seriously. Um, so

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Speaker 1: much so that she formed a support group h and

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Speaker 1: a website, the More Gellons Research Foundation, And uh, I

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Speaker 1: guess we just need to get into it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it is one of the oddest things I've ever heard.

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Speaker 1: It's dermacological, it's about the skin. Um. There are sores,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of itching, and that The most mysterious

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Speaker 1: thing about it, though, is like you said, these blue, red, black,

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Speaker 1: and I think white fibers And you can look up

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Speaker 1: more gallons if you type in more gallons fibers and

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Speaker 1: itching during this podcast? We apologize. Were you itching when

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Speaker 1: you were reading this stuff? No, I was surprised. I wasn't, man,

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Speaker 1: that comes later. So Um, like I said, those fibers

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Speaker 1: there's this awesome article called The Itch Nobody Can Scratch

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Speaker 1: by will Store, highly recommended. Yeah, it's it's a long

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Speaker 1: Um And uh it was it's on medium dot com,

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Speaker 1: There's like a handful of rag tag people who are

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Speaker 1: investigating it, and the problem is that they're running into

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Speaker 1: the structure of medicine and science, the scientific establishment, the

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Speaker 1: establishments of both of these things, and where they cross

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Speaker 1: and form this ven diagram. This is what these people

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Speaker 1: are running up against. So it's like, if you're going

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Speaker 1: to produce a legitimate academic paper on this thing, and

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Speaker 1: you managed to get it published, and you managed to

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Speaker 1: get another one published, and then another one, and you're

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Speaker 1: a real researcher, but you're the only person producing academic

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Speaker 1: papers on Morgellons, well you just look like a crackpot

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Speaker 1: who has access to a couple of academic journals and

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Speaker 1: can get something published because you're the only one who's

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Speaker 1: who's writing about that, and anybody else who is who's

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Speaker 1: ever even paid any attention to it, has just dismissed

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Speaker 1: it as delusions of parasitosis. Right. Plus, you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: get any funding. You're not. Well, you can, there's a

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Speaker 1: few research um organizations that do fund that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 1: but even still, it's in the eyes of the normal establishment.

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Speaker 1: You're you're not going to be treated very seriously, so

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Speaker 1: you're you're running into that. And then you know, one

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Speaker 1: science is made up. It's mind. Apparently nobody's gonna look

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Speaker 1: into it, and so there's no treatment for it whatsoever,

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Speaker 1: because it's been determined these people are delusional and that's that.

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Speaker 1: So why would we spend any more time looking into it? Well,

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Speaker 1: why more even had a problem. I remember at one

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Speaker 1: point getting labs to look at these fibers. Once they

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Speaker 1: found out for this disease, they were like, oh no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to touch that, right, So I guess

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Speaker 1: that would even if that's always the reputation of a lab,

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Speaker 1: even like no one wants to touch this thing, right,

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Speaker 1: And then a lot of Morgalon suffers aren't helping their

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Speaker 1: case by just kind of supposing what could be the

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Speaker 1: problem mites and bugs, since it feels like bugs are

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Speaker 1: an obvious answer, and that itch researcher says, that's just

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Speaker 1: totally sensible. If you have an itch disorder and your

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Speaker 1: nerves are going, hey, whire, and it feels like bugs,

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't you think it was small, tiny, invisible bugs.

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Speaker 1: It makes sense. But then there's been other ideas proposed

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Speaker 1: to like it's nanotechnology or genetically modified organisms that have

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Speaker 1: run them buck and it's part of a government cover up. Yes,

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Speaker 1: then these things are um like, these suggestions are not

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Speaker 1: helping the case in the public eye or in the

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Speaker 1: eye of of the academic or scientific establishment that these

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Speaker 1: people are um mentally healthy. Yeah, it's been linked to

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Speaker 1: kim trails. Okay, so and you're not going to get

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Speaker 1: very far. But the thing is is if these people

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Speaker 1: really do have something, whether it's an inch disorder, whether

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Speaker 1: it's a bug that's not whatever it is, or if

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Speaker 1: it's delusions of parasitosis. Either way they're still suffering. Yeah

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Speaker 1: they still need help, yes, so, but no one's giving

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Speaker 1: it to them. Well, they are in the form of

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Speaker 1: psychiatric treatment, but that's not good enough for a lot

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Speaker 1: of these people because they say I don't need psychiatric

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Speaker 1: treatment because I have a physical issue. Ah. The complaint

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Speaker 1: is is they think I'm crazy and I'm not crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's sad. It is sad. I want to follow up

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Speaker 1: on this, I bet you. I mean, I'm sure they're

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Speaker 1: things what bothers me about sciences. They may not think

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Speaker 1: that they could discover some new It's just so easily dismissed.

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Speaker 1: It just kind of bugs me, it bugs you. But

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Speaker 1: I mean there are some you in sciences defense or

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Speaker 1: medicine's defense, there are there's some evidence that it is

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Speaker 1: fictitious or delusion, like supposedly. Uh. And in this will

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Speaker 1: store article, there's one guy who's like his welts were

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Speaker 1: healing up, and the author asked him, you know what,

489
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Speaker 1: what did you do that's different that's making your wealthy.

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Speaker 1: Lo's like, I just stopped itching. I just stopped scratching,

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Speaker 1: and that makes every doctor in the role go, see there, exactly,

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Speaker 1: stop scratching, You're gonna stop getting the welts because the

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Speaker 1: welts are produced by itching. But then there's the other side.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well what about the welts there are on

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Speaker 1: parts of the body where it's like I can't reach.

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Speaker 1: How do you explain that? So I guess, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: need to revisit it, Like you say, yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: love to if we have a listener out there the

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Speaker 1: suffering from this, I would love to hear a firsthand

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Speaker 1: account of your experience. Yes, we won't judge you know

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00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: of it is not if you want to learn more

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Speaker 1: about Morgelon's disease. You can read that really awesome article

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Speaker 1: that it's Nobody can scratch. It's very compelling by Will Store.

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Speaker 1: I think it's on medium dot com. You can also

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Speaker 1: type in Morgelon's m O r G E L l

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Speaker 1: O n S in the search bar how stuffworks dot

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Speaker 1: I said search bar, it's time forward listener mail. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna call this m p A A follow up. Hey guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm a newcomer and have been loving the episodes. I'm

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Speaker 1: also a PhD student in cinema and media studies. I

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Speaker 1: was excited to see you do the m p A episode.

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Speaker 1: You did a great job covering a lot of its

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Speaker 1: current controversies and explaining the common misconceptions about c A

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Speaker 1: r A. I just wanted to add a little bit

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Speaker 1: explanation to the X rating, which is such a strange

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Speaker 1: portion of the m p a's history. When the ratings

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Speaker 1: code was instituted, Jack Balini used an X rating for films,

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Speaker 1: but he never copy righted the X rating because he

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Speaker 1: did not want to encourage the rating or come off

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Speaker 1: as monopolistic. Midnight Cowboy, acclaimed for winning Best Picture as

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Speaker 1: an X rated film, actually self rated itself X and

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00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: began a marketing campaign to exemplify its status as unique

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Speaker 1: and artistic, fair for adults rather than pornography. UH. Soon

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Speaker 1: pornographic films also began self imposing the X rating, and

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Speaker 1: newspapers refused to advertise for X rated films. Theatrical porn

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Speaker 1: was booming. It's so weird to think about theatrical born

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Speaker 1: like going in the theater and watching that with people.

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Speaker 1: Very weird. UH. Films like Deep Throat placed in the

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Speaker 1: top ten of the year. While Hollywood pushed for legislation

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Speaker 1: against theatrical porn, they also distanced themselves from the rogue

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Speaker 1: X rating that they once controlled. The m p a

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Speaker 1: A quickly expanded the R rating and re rated films

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Speaker 1: to avoid it. Wes Craven even illegally quote unquote, I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry vote illegally end of quote, spliced in an R

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Speaker 1: rating banner from a different film into his nineteen seventy

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Speaker 1: three film The Last House on the Left because he

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Speaker 1: cannot get the m p a A to grant him

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Speaker 1: an R rating. It's a strange time and somewhat more

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Speaker 1: fluid since pig theater chains and multiplexes were not as

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Speaker 1: ubiquitous as they are today. Sadly, the n C seventeen

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like much of an answer to the X

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Speaker 1: rating legacy, since its films only play two limited art

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Speaker 1: house audiences for the most part, You are right that

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Speaker 1: v O D poses hope though, Uh what's that video? Onto? Man?

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Speaker 1: If anyone is interested in this and more in the

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Speaker 1: n B A, this should check out John Lewis's Hollywood

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Speaker 1: The Hardcore. It's a fascinating read. Thanks again, guys, all

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Speaker 1: the best. That is Dan from u c l A.

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Speaker 1: Go Bruins. Nice Thanks a lot. That's some good info. Yeah, totally,

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Speaker 1: that's basically like a treatise on the history of the

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Speaker 1: X rating. Agreed, good going. Who was that Dan from

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Speaker 1: u c l AN. Thanks Dan and Go Bruins. Indeed. Uh.

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