Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 2: It is verdict was Center, Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you,
Speaker 2: and on debate nights, we get to do a joint podcast,
Speaker 2: which is really fun for both of us and Center.
Speaker 2: You just watched it, We got to watch it together,
Speaker 2: you got to commentate on Hannity afterwards. And your initial
Speaker 2: takeaway from this debate, I thought JD had a pretty
Speaker 2: good night.
Speaker 3: He had an excellent, excellent night. It is eleven five pm,
Speaker 3: just after the debate. As you noted, I just finished
Speaker 3: doing Hannity and talking about the debate. I think this
Speaker 3: was a good night for America. The winner of the
Speaker 3: debate tonight was Donald Trump. The loser of the debate
Speaker 3: tonight was Kamala Harris. Yeah, both candidates I think did
Speaker 3: an effective job. Tim Waltz was frankly better than I expected,
Speaker 3: but he had a very difficult case to make because
Speaker 3: his job was to defend Kamala Harris's record. And the
Speaker 3: reason that I think it was such a good night
Speaker 3: for Trump is I think JD did a good job
Speaker 3: of prosecuting Kamala Harris's actual record. She is desperately, desperately,
Speaker 3: desperately trying to run away from her record. Trying to
Speaker 3: hide in the basement. And tonight the contrast was made
Speaker 3: between the incredible successes on the border, on the economy,
Speaker 3: on foreign policy under Donald Trump as compared to the
Speaker 3: incredible failures on the border, on the economy, on foreign
Speaker 3: policy under Kamala Harris and and and that stark divide
Speaker 3: was there. I think Tim Waltz tried mightily to pretend
Speaker 3: the record didn't exist. But but but there were some
Speaker 3: rough moments because he couldn't deny reality. And and and
Speaker 3: it really goes to the to the fundamental core conceit
Speaker 3: of the Kamala Harris campaign, which is she is trying
Speaker 3: to live in this alternate reality where she is the
Speaker 3: change candidate and Donald J. Trump is the incumbent president,
Speaker 3: and that is not in fact the planet on which
Speaker 3: we live. And I think j did a good job
Speaker 3: multiple times of saying, if she has all these policy proposals,
Speaker 3: why isn't she doing any of them now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the last three and a half years.
Speaker 3: And Walts has no answer to that other than well, well,
Speaker 3: what's happening now isn't working, so that's the problem.
Speaker 2: There was one funny part of the debate that I
Speaker 2: laughed and it was when he was talking about how
Speaker 2: none of the wall was actually built, and then it
Speaker 2: was like he realized, oh wait, maybe I don't want
Speaker 2: to go that far with this point, because she's got
Speaker 2: an ad out showing down on Trump's wall, and he
Speaker 2: was like he kind of backpedaled on.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, you guys didn't build much of that wall.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, now, didn't she just say, didn't know
Speaker 2: you're here to represent just say we got to have
Speaker 2: a secure border, build a wall.
Speaker 3: Well, and you could tell that Waltz was uncomfortable defending
Speaker 3: Kamala's record because he kept trying to go back to
Speaker 3: Minnesota over and over again. Yeah, look at what I've
Speaker 3: done in Minnesota. Look at what I've done in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: It's like, wait a second, you're not the candidate for president.
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris says, she's been the vice president. And I thought,
Speaker 3: in particular, the strongest moments of the debate were on
Speaker 3: economics and the impact for working men and women, that
Speaker 3: that just people's lives are harder, that the cost of
Speaker 3: everything has gone up, the cost of food, the cost
Speaker 3: of healthcare, the cost of uh gasoline. And I thought
Speaker 3: on the cost of housing. I think jd Vance made
Speaker 3: a good point of Look eleven and a half million
Speaker 3: illegal immigrants, do you think that's driving up the cost of housing?
Speaker 3: And I will say two of the losers tonight were
Speaker 3: sitting in the moderator chairs and and and that they
Speaker 3: they seem to be trying to topple prior moderators for
Speaker 3: the biggest partisan hacks of a debate. I thought CBS's moderators,
Speaker 3: Nora O'Donnell and Margaret Brennan did did a terrible job. Uh,
Speaker 3: there is not a person in the universe who watched
Speaker 3: this debate who has any doubt.
Speaker 1: For the voting for either one of them. Is like that,
Speaker 1: none whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the best part was you and I were
Speaker 2: watching together, and it's fun to watch these things together
Speaker 2: because I was sitting there. One of the things that
Speaker 2: made me laugh was when they did their hands off
Speaker 2: to each other. It was like, thinking, we have to
Speaker 2: make we have so many important they think back over
Speaker 2: to you. It was like I was watching Anchorman outtakes,
Speaker 2: and it was like, we are so official journalistic here,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna be wonky. And and then they would
Speaker 2: immediately go back in their hardest in their partisan hackery,
Speaker 2: which was when they muted him.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, no, that was wow. That really was a moment.
Speaker 2: I tweeted, I said when that happened, I tweeted, I
Speaker 2: was like in communist countries they mute microphones. They just
Speaker 2: did it during the Vice president of debate that if
Speaker 2: you want to know if the state sponsored media, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they just did it.
Speaker 1: I really was waiting for them.
Speaker 3: You know, you made the Acreman equip as we're watching
Speaker 3: the debate, and I was really waiting for one of
Speaker 3: them to lean over as Ron Burgundy and say, screw you,
Speaker 3: Sandiego And I'm cleaning the language up a little bit
Speaker 3: from the actual line of the movie. But but it
Speaker 3: was number one, stilted, they're moderating number two. It was
Speaker 3: incredibly smart me and condescending you. Their entire attitude is
Speaker 3: we know better than all of you. And by the way,
Speaker 3: the things they interrupted, they were supposed to not do
Speaker 3: fact checks. When they did do them, they were wrong
Speaker 3: and they were completely self satisfied. And the moment when
Speaker 3: they cut off JD. Vance's microphone was pitiful. It was
Speaker 3: nakedly biased. It was hackery. It was nothing but partisan hackery.
Speaker 3: And I think CBS really got a black eye.
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Speaker 2: the beginning of the debate, and the first question coming
Speaker 2: into the debate was one I think we all knew
Speaker 2: it was going to be on Israel and the attack
Speaker 2: on Israel from Iran, and Waltz was very, very very nervous,
Speaker 2: you could tell, but he also didn't know what to
Speaker 2: do because there's a hard part of the of the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party, especially him in Minnesota with the extremists there
Speaker 2: that hate Israel and they're the ones that are protesting
Speaker 2: and supporting the terrorists. And when he came out, he
Speaker 2: had a little bit of an oops. Listen carefully.
Speaker 4: I ran our Israel's ability to be able to defend
Speaker 4: itself as absolutely fundamental getting its hostages.
Speaker 2: Back it's hostages. But I was like, come on, man,
Speaker 2: you got to do a little bit better than this.
Speaker 2: But it tells you where the Democratic Party is right now.
Speaker 2: They don't want to come out into fa Israel too much,
Speaker 2: but they know they have to defend him on the
Speaker 2: face tonight.
Speaker 1: And it was this weird, awkward moment for him.
Speaker 3: Well, and look, he had a talking point that was
Speaker 3: written for him for his handlers, by his handlers, that
Speaker 3: was to say, Israel has a right to defend itself
Speaker 3: and the hostages should be returned. And so those are
Speaker 3: the two sentences he was told to say. And then
Speaker 3: he immediately said, but we have to address the humanitarian
Speaker 3: crisis in Gaza, because that's really what the Democrat Party
Speaker 3: is worried about, is that too many Hamas and Hezbela
Speaker 3: terrorists are being killed. And so he had to throw
Speaker 3: that in. What he didn't say, you know what he
Speaker 3: didn't say a word about Iran attacking Israel, firing, not
Speaker 3: a word at Israel. Look, Iran just just pummeled Israel
Speaker 3: with missiles and that is a major escalation. Now Iran
Speaker 3: has been funding Hamas and funding Hesbel, that's been fighting
Speaker 3: through proxies. But this is now Iran directly attacking Israel.
Speaker 3: And the question he was asked, would he support Israel
Speaker 3: striking back? And you know what, he didn't answer. He'd
Speaker 3: not want to answer. He did not want to answer
Speaker 3: at all. And you know, critically the opening of his answer.
Speaker 3: Tim Waltz's answer was, this crisis began on October seventh.
Speaker 1: Well, that's actually wrong.
Speaker 3: This crisis began in January of twenty twenty one, when
Speaker 3: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris came in, when they began
Speaker 3: flooding one hundred billion dollars to Iran, That's when the crisis.
Speaker 3: And by the way, when they came in, remember what
Speaker 3: was happening. Just weeks before, we had peace flourishing in
Speaker 3: the Middle East. We had the Abraham Accords signed on
Speaker 3: the south lawn of the White House. I was there
Speaker 3: for the signing of the Abraham Accords. You know what
Speaker 3: not a single Democrat showed up for the signing of
Speaker 3: the Abraham Accords, not a single Democrat senator, not a
Speaker 3: single Democrat house member.
Speaker 1: I did not realize that none of them showed up.
Speaker 1: And that was the deal that dealt with the word
Speaker 1: they're obsessed with, which is peace.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, it was historic peace. It was the Arabs
Speaker 3: and the Israelis coming together and signing historic peace accords.
Speaker 3: And not only did no Democrats sign up at the
Speaker 3: signing end. Do you know what Joe Biden Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: instructed the State Department? What was that in writing? They said,
Speaker 3: you were not allowed to use the words Abraham Accords.
Speaker 3: Don't even call them what they were called. They were
Speaker 3: instructed to call them normalization agreements, but do not use
Speaker 3: apparently acknowledging Father Abraham as too much and anything that
Speaker 3: Trump did, they were not allowed to make reference to.
Speaker 3: But explicitly, the State Department was instructed, don't use the
Speaker 3: words Abraham Accords. So we went from historic peace, the
Speaker 3: first peace agreements signed between Israelis and Arabs in four decades,
Speaker 3: to suddenly Joe Biden and Kamala Harris come in and
Speaker 3: they start flooding cash into Iran, and Iran starts flooding
Speaker 3: cash into Hamas and Hezbola that paid for the death
Speaker 3: squads on October seventh, and Tim Waltz had.
Speaker 1: Not a word to say about that, not a word to.
Speaker 3: Say about the one hundred billion dollars that Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: gave as a gift to Iran. And you know what
Speaker 3: is still giving today today Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: still refuse to enforce the oil sanctions against Iran. They
Speaker 3: are literally funding the missiles that were fired on Iran today.
Speaker 3: In a very real sense, Kamala Harris paid for those missiles.
Speaker 1: It's shocking.
Speaker 2: Also, the media when you're watching this, they didn't ask
Speaker 2: about sanctions. They also didn't ask about Herris and what
Speaker 2: the response should be from this administration, right because she's
Speaker 2: in the administration.
Speaker 1: To be fair, they did.
Speaker 3: Their question was, would you support a preemptive strike by
Speaker 3: Israel against Iran? In and now it's not actually preempted
Speaker 3: because it is in response for the attack. So the
Speaker 3: word pre is a loaded lefty word. It's not preemptive
Speaker 3: if you're defending yourself after you've been attacked. But that
Speaker 3: was the question they asked, and to be clear, when asked,
Speaker 3: would you support it? Tamala is the sitting VP, and
Speaker 3: we know Joe Biden is non COMPASSMENTUS. I don't know
Speaker 3: if he's passed out on the beach in Delaware or
Speaker 3: what he's doing.
Speaker 2: But he didn't spend almost two hours on the phone,
Speaker 2: he said this weekend talking about hurricane stuff.
Speaker 1: Almost two hours. Well, you know, and look, that's a
Speaker 1: lot of time for him.
Speaker 3: I believe that because when my girls were young, we
Speaker 3: had an app on the phone that was the wheels
Speaker 3: on the bus go round and round. And I believe
Speaker 3: he spent two hours on the phone, perhaps with an
Speaker 3: app like that.
Speaker 2: But the question that they should have asked was, are
Speaker 2: you guys, what would you do differently? What would you
Speaker 2: advocate for? What would you support sanctions? I mean you
Speaker 2: and I talked about this in our show on Monday.
Speaker 2: There was if and correct me if my numbers are wrong,
Speaker 2: but I'm quoting you. It was three hundred thousand barrels
Speaker 2: a day is what a RAM was producing when Trump
Speaker 2: was in office. It's now two million barrels.
Speaker 3: Well, and I wish JD had provided more specifics on that.
Speaker 3: That answer could have been tighter with more facts on it.
Speaker 2: The question I wish they would have asked them is
Speaker 2: both them like, hey, guys, are you would you right now?
Speaker 2: Should there move more sanctions or should they be enforcing
Speaker 2: the sanctions? Or even the question, hey, why is your
Speaker 2: running mate Kamala Harris not doing more to enforce the sanctions?
Speaker 1: They could stop a RAN from murdering Donald Trump?
Speaker 2: Yes, and that didn't come up tonight, which I was
Speaker 2: also shocked by because we talked about this again in
Speaker 2: Monday's pod. You have a RAN that's funding and recruiting
Speaker 2: assassins to takeout Donald Trump and other former leaders in
Speaker 2: our government, and as they're doing that, no one asked
Speaker 2: that question tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at it now.
Speaker 3: I will say a point that Jady made on this
Speaker 3: that was very effective is when he looked at the
Speaker 3: camera and he asked the American people, he said, think
Speaker 3: back in your lifetime, what president has not had a
Speaker 3: age or military conflict during his presidency? And he said,
Speaker 3: I'm forty years old, and there's only one president that
Speaker 3: you could answer yes to, and that is Donald J.
Speaker 1: Trump. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That was a very effective point, and I think it
Speaker 3: probably made some people think and Waltz had no response
Speaker 3: to that other than well, well, but you know, I
Speaker 3: don't like Trump, and other people don't like Trump either.
Speaker 3: But the simple point that we had peace when Trump
Speaker 3: was president and we now have war, not just in
Speaker 3: Israel but in Ukraine. When you have a week in
Speaker 3: an effective commander in chief, that contrast was pretty stark.
Speaker 2: I also thought there was another narrative tonight that really
Speaker 2: got blown up, and that was the obsession by the
Speaker 2: media to label JD.
Speaker 1: Vance's strange or weird. He's a weird guy's odd.
Speaker 2: I think he came across as very likable, very normal,
Speaker 2: came across as a dad, and I think that also
Speaker 2: could help Donald Trump significantly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, Look, I think that's right. I will
Speaker 3: say one of the things that surprised me. I thought
Speaker 3: this debate was going to be nastier. You and I
Speaker 3: both said that before. You were like, dude, they don't
Speaker 3: like each other. We both knew that, but I thought
Speaker 3: it was going to be nasty too. Look, my sense
Speaker 3: is that they really dislike each other, although to be fair,
Speaker 3: I haven't talked to JD about that, so I don't
Speaker 3: know firsthand from him. It just the appearance from the
Speaker 3: media and the general milieu, as it appears that neither
Speaker 3: one of them likes each other. And so I thought,
Speaker 3: you know, i'd used an analogy that are going to
Speaker 3: be rolling around in the mud. This is gonna be
Speaker 3: a mud wrestling match, and it wasn't. And both of them,
Speaker 3: neither of them had even a single really nasty line,
Speaker 3: which which is a little surprising. If you'd asked me
Speaker 3: to bet beforehand, I would have I would have bet
Speaker 3: it's more likely that they each had a dozen nasty
Speaker 3: lines at each other than Toro and it. And in fact,
Speaker 3: both of them more than once praised the other one,
Speaker 3: which was an interesting I don't know if that how
Speaker 3: much of that was genuine, how much of that was strategic,
Speaker 3: how much of the campaign said, Look, your job is
Speaker 3: to be likable and relatable.
Speaker 1: But but and if it was, it was a great strategy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and both did so multiple times, said said
Speaker 3: you know, look when when Tim Waltz described how his
Speaker 3: son had witnessed a shooting and which which I didn't
Speaker 3: know either, and that's that's horrific. You and I are
Speaker 3: both dads. I certainly wouldn't want our kids to see
Speaker 3: a shooting and I thought JD when it came back
Speaker 3: and said, Hey, I didn't know your son had done that.
Speaker 3: I'm really sorry. That's that's like horrible one, No one,
Speaker 3: that's horrible. That was real and genuine, and I thought,
Speaker 3: and there were moments back and forth for both of
Speaker 3: them like that.
Speaker 2: When you look at how this played out tonight, you
Speaker 2: and I have said this before and you go back
Speaker 2: in history, VP debates don't really usually matter. Does it
Speaker 2: matter a little bit more this time? Do you think
Speaker 2: because there was only one present debate number one and two?
Speaker 2: Because if Donald Trump is he's running for four years, right,
Speaker 2: there's no chance in eight years here? Does that change
Speaker 2: the perception of voters as well?
Speaker 3: Look damned if I know, I will say I think
Speaker 3: this probably mattered at the end of the day. Historically,
Speaker 3: VP debates don't matter much. If you think back to
Speaker 3: VP debates about the only time, I'm willing to guess
Speaker 3: you could only remember one moment, two moments from VP debates,
Speaker 3: you probably remember the fly landing on Mike Pence's head.
Speaker 1: And that will be seared into my brain forever.
Speaker 3: Yes, especially since Saturday Night Live had a giant fly
Speaker 3: and then they did a good join. They did a
Speaker 3: great job with that. But the only line I bet
Speaker 3: you you can quote, and you're about as much of
Speaker 3: a political junkie as anyone, is the only line I
Speaker 3: bet you you can quote is Lloyd Benson to Dan
Speaker 3: Quayle saying, I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was my friend,
Speaker 3: and Senator, you're no.
Speaker 2: Jude Kennedy bingo, and that that was a damn line.
Speaker 3: And that was that was what was that eighty eight
Speaker 3: or nineth that it was? It was Ducacus Benson. And
Speaker 3: by the way, dan Quayle and George Bush won. So
Speaker 3: it didn't change the outcome of election. It did kind
Speaker 3: of sear in public consciousness. That was one of the
Speaker 3: moments where where the caricature of Quail as a lightweight
Speaker 3: that that line it hurt him. It was clearly rehearsed,
Speaker 3: it was landed very effectively, which is why three decades
Speaker 3: later we're talking about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it was also I think to find Dan Quail
Speaker 2: as a candidate on his own, yeah, which was sad well.
Speaker 3: And and the reason it was prepared is because Quail
Speaker 3: had been using as a talking point, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: the same age Jack Kennedy was because he was trying
Speaker 3: to say I'm not inexperienced and.
Speaker 1: He looked young if you remember, he looked really he
Speaker 1: was twenty six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was Benson was very able to deliver
Speaker 3: that line.
Speaker 1: And it was.
Speaker 3: But historically VP debates have not moved votes one where
Speaker 3: or the other. I will say I was glad so
Speaker 3: for most of the debate, JD remembered that his target
Speaker 3: was Kamala Harrison, not Tim Waltz.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said that a lot. He used her name
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 3: And in fact, one of the better moments, and I
Speaker 3: want you to play this clip is it is where
Speaker 3: JD said said to Tim Waltz said, you've got a
Speaker 3: really tough job.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for how tough a job you have.
Speaker 1: And it was sort of it.
Speaker 3: It was damning him with faint praise because it was
Speaker 3: a backheaded shot at Kamala or play that exchange.
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Speaker 1: All right, take a listen to this clip.
Speaker 2: It is actually a really funny one where you have
Speaker 2: JD saying it's tough having your job having to defend
Speaker 2: Kamway Harris Ober.
Speaker 5: Waltz just did as he said, first of all, Donald
Speaker 5: Trump has to listen to the experts. And then when
Speaker 5: he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well,
Speaker 5: Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job
Speaker 5: as the.
Speaker 1: That's a post general as you did. So what Tim
Speaker 1: Waltz is doing, and I Honestly, Tim, I think.
Speaker 5: You got a tough job here because you've got to
Speaker 5: play whack a mole. You've got to pretend that Donald
Speaker 5: Trump didn't deliver rising take home pay, which of course
Speaker 5: he did. You've got to pretend Donald Trump didn't deliver
Speaker 5: lower inflation, which of course he did. And then you
Speaker 5: simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which
Speaker 5: has made gas, groceries and housing unaffordable fair American citizens.
Speaker 5: I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go
Speaker 5: into medical debt so that she could put food on
Speaker 5: the table in our household. I know what it's like
Speaker 5: to not be able to afford the things that you
Speaker 5: need to afford. We can do so much better to
Speaker 5: all of you watching. We can get back to an
Speaker 5: America that's affordable again. We just got to get back
Speaker 5: to common sense economic principles.
Speaker 1: I hope we have a conversation on healthcare then.
Speaker 4: Senator of Governor, please, thank you, Margaret, we have a lot.
Speaker 2: I love that they jump in there by the way,
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you. We gotta we got to move
Speaker 2: on from that real quick. You just you just smacked
Speaker 2: him around a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I mean that they were. They were eager
Speaker 3: to help out Waltz. They were also on the fact checking.
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about it at at the open
Speaker 3: of the pod when they cut off JD's mike. Now,
Speaker 3: so that was a moment when number one Kamala was
Speaker 3: getting beat up hard on immigration. Yeah, but number two
Speaker 3: the moderators jumped in and JD talked about the Haitian
Speaker 3: illegal immigrants who are in Springfield, Ohio, and you know,
Speaker 3: they wanted to reprise the whole cat thing.
Speaker 1: I was surprised.
Speaker 3: I also, I would have lost a bet if you
Speaker 3: had given me the odds on whether the word cat
Speaker 3: would be said in the debate. I would have bet yes,
Speaker 3: and I would have lost that bet. So so that
Speaker 3: the moderators did not say that, nor did Tim Waltz.
Speaker 3: But JD rightly said, look, this massive influx of illegal
Speaker 3: aliens is putting an enormous burden on the residents of
Speaker 3: Springfield and every other city in Ohio and every other
Speaker 3: city in the country. And the moderators chimed into correct him,
Speaker 3: well those are legal immigrants, and he said, blooney, yeah,
Speaker 3: and this is a fiction. So look, we have a
Speaker 3: legal immigration system and what has happened is Joe Biden
Speaker 3: and Kamala Harris have abused our immigration law law. So
Speaker 3: the three hundred thousand plus Haitians in Nicaraguins and Cubans
Speaker 3: and Venezuelans, they've flown in, they've flown in into programs
Speaker 3: where they say, well, these guys are all now legal
Speaker 3: just because we've decided to open the doors and call
Speaker 3: everyone we let in legal. That is not legal in
Speaker 3: any ordinary sense. They are illegal immigrants. And in particular,
Speaker 3: JD rightly talks about the app CBP one, which we've
Speaker 3: talked about on this podcast before, an app for illegal
Speaker 3: immigrants to apply online for Kamala Harris to let him
Speaker 3: in our open border.
Speaker 2: And they did not like him saying this because it
Speaker 2: was fact checking them.
Speaker 3: It was they were fact checking him. They were wrong,
Speaker 3: he countered him, and then they cut off his mic
Speaker 3: right when Tim Waltz was saying, well, well, you know
Speaker 3: this has been around for years. CBB one was just
Speaker 3: created by Joe Biden Kamala Harris. Here play the clip
Speaker 3: when they cut off his mic, because it really is
Speaker 3: revealing of the enormous bias and the factual just mendacity
Speaker 3: of the CBS moderators.
Speaker 1: We have so much to get to, Margaret.
Speaker 4: I think it's important out of the economy.
Speaker 1: Thanks Margaret.
Speaker 5: The rules were that you got in a fact check,
Speaker 5: and since you're fact checking me, I think it's important
Speaker 5: to say what's actually going on. So there's an application
Speaker 5: called the CBP one app where you can go on
Speaker 5: as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for
Speaker 5: parole and be granted legal status at the wave of
Speaker 5: a Kamala Harris open border Wand that is not a
Speaker 5: person coming in applying for a green card and waiting
Speaker 5: for ten years. Thank you, senatoration of a legal immigration
Speaker 5: Margaret Bye.
Speaker 4: Thank you senator for describing the legal process. Have so
Speaker 4: much to get the senator.
Speaker 1: So much the book since nineteen ninety, Thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Want to have app has not been on the books.
Speaker 4: Something gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics
Speaker 4: are cut. We have so much we want to get to.
Speaker 4: Thank you for explaining the legal process.
Speaker 3: I love that the legal process. I mean that is
Speaker 3: so smarmy. Yeah, like arrogant, skiing, snarky. Look these there's
Speaker 3: no doubt they're political bias. There's no doubt they love
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris. There's no doubt they're voting for Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3: Thank you for describing the legal process. No, CBP one
Speaker 3: is not the legal process. It is an app designed
Speaker 3: by Kamala Harris and Joe Biden to facilitate a massive
Speaker 3: invasion of this country.
Speaker 1: And they and they shut the mic off.
Speaker 2: I actually am glad they did it because it's just
Speaker 2: And when anybody says in the future, well, there's no
Speaker 2: bias to me and Mike, really did you see?
Speaker 1: And I love that she says. They try to act
Speaker 1: like we shut.
Speaker 2: Both your micros OFFT No, you were shutting down jd Vance, who.
Speaker 1: Was fact checking you and pointing out that she was lying.
Speaker 2: And pointing out shesign. We got to move on. We
Speaker 2: have other important things. And by the way, I promise
Speaker 2: you that moment, if you pulled the audience in America watching,
Speaker 2: they would have loved to have heard what JD.
Speaker 1: Van said.
Speaker 2: Like course I would have been like, bo, I want
Speaker 2: to hear this right, Like wait, give me a second.
Speaker 3: That's absolutely right. But CBS didn't want the audience to
Speaker 3: hear that. You know, there was another moment on the
Speaker 3: same topic of the border, where Tim Waltz said the
Speaker 3: most brazen lie of the entire debate, and when when
Speaker 3: Waltz was back pedaling and trying to defend the disaster
Speaker 3: of Kamala's open borders, tim Waltz said, quote, border crossings
Speaker 3: are down compared to when Donald Trump left office.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, which is a lie. And you and I
Speaker 2: both are looking on the TV like that that's not true.
Speaker 3: That that is not slightly true. It's not kind of true.
Speaker 3: It's not in any way. And let me give you
Speaker 3: the stats. So in December twenty twenty, the total encounters
Speaker 3: with illegals was eighty nine thousand and seventy two. In
Speaker 3: August twenty twenty four, the total encounters was one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty eighty nine hundred and eighty eight, So it
Speaker 3: was nearly twice as many. And and mind you, look,
Speaker 3: there's been a slight dip in the last couple of
Speaker 3: months because Biden and Harris are trying to pretend to
Speaker 3: do something about the border, and they're just doing it
Speaker 3: as electioneering. And to put it in, in all of
Speaker 3: fiscal year twenty twenty, do you know how many encounters
Speaker 3: with illegals there were under Trump? How many six hundred
Speaker 3: and forty six, eight hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1: Two that's like a month in this administration.
Speaker 3: In fiscal year twenty four year to date. And by
Speaker 3: the way, we're not all the way through twenty four.
Speaker 3: Do you know how many of they've been? How many
Speaker 3: two million, seven hundred and fifty six thousand, six hundred
Speaker 3: and forty six.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And by the way, these these brave fact checkers, did
Speaker 3: you notice the CBS cut off? They say, wait a second, governor,
Speaker 3: you just said that border encounters were lower now than
Speaker 3: they were under Trump. That is flat out false. They
Speaker 3: didn't say that because they're not in the business of
Speaker 3: fact checking democrats.
Speaker 2: Well, and they also didn't bring up something else that
Speaker 2: I actually thought this was a missopportunity. I think JD
Speaker 2: had a great night, but I wish he would have
Speaker 2: seized on this. The acting ICE Director put out all
Speaker 2: of these numbers that we've talked about here, yes, about
Speaker 2: the number of rapists that were let go that we
Speaker 2: knew were rapists, the number of murderers that were let go,
Speaker 2: and the number of those that had been charged with
Speaker 2: Haines's crimes, and we still let go into this country
Speaker 2: and that didn't see the light of day tonight. And
Speaker 2: it's again it goes back to the moderators, like it's
Speaker 2: shame on them for not actually talking about the acting
Speaker 2: ICE director saying this, when they're going to talk about
Speaker 2: the border.
Speaker 1: How do you talk about the border without that? But
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: And again it's debating's tough, and I want to be clear,
Speaker 2: it's tough, But there was a missed opportunity there. I'm
Speaker 2: shocked that JAD didn't really try to hammer that point home.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, look, I think JD did a very good job tonight.
Speaker 3: I was surprised that the thirteen thousand convicted murderers did
Speaker 3: not come up. It's such a powerful number and CBS
Speaker 3: hasn't covered it, the news hasn't covered it, and so
Speaker 3: this debate was an opportunity for That's actually something that
Speaker 3: I wish that, like it had been slowly explained that
Speaker 3: they've taken a little bit of time. You need to
Speaker 3: understand that right now today there are more than thirteen
Speaker 3: thousand illegal aliens who are free, who have not been apprehended,
Speaker 3: who are convicted murderers. There is nothing whatsoever stopping Kamala
Speaker 3: Harris from picking up all thirteen thousand of them tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Legally she has every right to do so. They are
Speaker 3: here illegally, they can be detained, they can be deported.
Speaker 3: And yet and there are another two thousand roughly illegal
Speaker 3: aliens who have pending murder charges, so they're being charged
Speaker 3: with murder, and you know what, they're free too. There
Speaker 3: is nothing z preventing Kamala Harris from picking up those
Speaker 3: two thousand. And I would have loved to see JD
Speaker 3: turn to Tim Walton say, Governor, why doesn't Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: pick up those fifteen thousand murderers right now? And what
Speaker 3: would you say to the mothers of the children murdered
Speaker 3: by these illegal alien murderers that you continue to allow
Speaker 3: on the street. Yeah, he wouldn't have an answer to that.
Speaker 1: No, he wouldn't have an answer to that.
Speaker 2: And look again, like I said, debating is hard, and
Speaker 2: I think one of the things that he did really
Speaker 2: well was he talked about the fact that people are
Speaker 2: suffering in this country because there's so many illegal immigrants.
Speaker 2: And it backfired on CBS. They were talking about the
Speaker 2: economy and they were talking about the housing crisis. It
Speaker 2: was a little bit later in the debate many people.
Speaker 2: If you didn't watch the whole debate, this was one
Speaker 2: of those moments. I think they actually buried it on purpose.
Speaker 2: They need to check a box, ask a question about
Speaker 2: the about housing. But there was a moment there where JD.
Speaker 2: Van sees on like, well, yeah, of course home prices
Speaker 2: are going.
Speaker 1: To be up.
Speaker 2: You whatt Fifteen to twenty million people in this country.
Speaker 2: They got to have a roof over their head at night.
Speaker 2: They're competing with you, especially for low cost housing and apartments,
Speaker 2: which is skyrocket and price undoubtedly.
Speaker 3: And CBS really clowned themselves on this because because one
Speaker 3: of the moderators chimed in and said, well do you
Speaker 3: have any evidence of that? What proof do you have
Speaker 3: of that? And JD, to his credit, was prepared and said, well, actually,
Speaker 3: there's a Federal Reserve study that lays out the impact
Speaker 3: of illegal immigration driving up the cost of housing, and
Speaker 3: we'll put that out on social media right now so
Speaker 3: you can go read the study. But he also made
Speaker 3: the point of just supply and demand. What do you
Speaker 3: think an additional eleven and a half million people is
Speaker 3: going to be ending housing is going to do? Do
Speaker 3: you do these houses magically get created from the sky.
Speaker 3: Is there a wand that makes them, makes them come
Speaker 3: into existence? And the moderators just didn't like that point,
Speaker 3: and so they were but they looked pretty silly when
Speaker 3: they asked if he had any evidence, and the answer was, well, yes,
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 2: The other day on TV they were talking about the
Speaker 2: price of hotels in New York City if skyrocketed, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I think it's like one out of x summer,
Speaker 2: of every hotels is filled with illegal immigrants.
Speaker 1: They're taking away hotel room course.
Speaker 2: So then they get more for the hotel rooms that
Speaker 2: are available. You and I I don't even know if
Speaker 2: did you know I got stranded in New York City
Speaker 2: and there wasn't a single hotel room after we came
Speaker 2: back from the airport.
Speaker 1: Did I tell you this?
Speaker 2: So this is how bad it is. And this is
Speaker 2: when I learned, like really firsthand. I went the airport,
Speaker 2: was on the plane, was on the plane for like
Speaker 2: four hours. They finally cancel the fight. We pulled back
Speaker 2: up the gate and they say go back in the city.
Speaker 2: So immediately get on the phone. I called Fox. I'm
Speaker 2: there for TV. I'm like, hey, I'm going to need
Speaker 2: a hotel room and I got to get back to
Speaker 2: the city, and then I get into a fight back
Speaker 2: in the morning to Houston, and she was like, no problem,
Speaker 2: I'll call in a minute. Go ahead and head down
Speaker 2: the cars and we'll get you back to the city.
Speaker 2: She said, I've never seen this before. There's not a
Speaker 2: single hotel room in the city. And I'm like not.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't like there was like the super Bowl
Speaker 2: going on. This is a normal Tuesday in New York.
Speaker 2: And I was like, are you kidding. Well, then I
Speaker 2: open up my app and I'm like, I get on Expedia.
Speaker 2: There are no hotel rooms. They start looking in New Jersey,
Speaker 2: They're looking everywhere. Finally, the only option was to go
Speaker 2: back to the city and hope that someone doesn't come
Speaker 2: to a hotel room. I sat outside of the hotel
Speaker 2: I always stay at, know the manager, and I walked in.
Speaker 2: He's like Ben, He's like, this is because of all
Speaker 2: the illegal immigrants in the city. He goes, there's no
Speaker 2: hotel rooms to deal with a capacity. I set outside
Speaker 2: to one in the morning until finally someone canceled the
Speaker 2: hotel and then he checked me into that room at
Speaker 2: one o'clock. So I sat there from seven to one am.
Speaker 2: My fight was at six and mornings. I slept for
Speaker 2: like three hours, and he said, this is what they've
Speaker 2: done to our city, referring to the illegal immigrants and
Speaker 2: how many have come in. And when I say there
Speaker 2: was an it was there was not a hotel room
Speaker 2: in the city. That's what's happening now because of legal immigration.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk and rap on the issue of style.
Speaker 2: You know, you and I both thought this was going
Speaker 2: to be a intense debate. They don't like each other.
Speaker 2: They're going to throw down. I think we're also gotten
Speaker 2: kind of used to that with Donald Trump. That's what
Speaker 2: we've seen over the last several years. Joe Biden likes
Speaker 2: to do that as well. We've seen a lot of
Speaker 2: the Republican debates. Primary debates didn't by the way Hillary
Speaker 2: and Trump was nasty.
Speaker 1: They were nasty.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean they threw down, and tonight I didn't.
Speaker 2: I did enjoy a little bit of civility, absolutely, and
Speaker 2: that was something we haven't seen. But I also think
Speaker 2: if it was a strategy by the by the Trump team, Hey,
Speaker 2: you're going to be the likable guy. You're going to
Speaker 2: try to bring more people into the tent. I want
Speaker 2: you to walk away really thinking that you're the right choice.
Speaker 1: They nailed it. If that was the intent tonight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I think JD came across as real and relatable.
Speaker 3: He did a good job of telling his own family
Speaker 3: story and his own background, I mean his you know,
Speaker 3: he wrote a best selling book, Hill Billy LG. Was
Speaker 3: made into a movie, a very very good movie, a
Speaker 3: movie that's terrific to watch. But yet a lot of
Speaker 3: people don't know that story. He's been a caricatured just
Speaker 3: like Trump has. And I think tonight made real progress
Speaker 3: making him seem like a real person, seem like a
Speaker 3: husband and a father, and you know, someone who has
Speaker 3: has journeyed from very humble beginnings to right now being
Speaker 3: the nominee to be vice president of the United States.
Speaker 3: That's one heck of a journey.
Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting.
Speaker 2: We're what thirty five days, thirty six days away from election.
Speaker 1: Day, thirty five days today, thirty five days until election day.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to what I've said before,
Speaker 2: it's the economy, stupid. I think that's how they win
Speaker 2: this thing. The economy's going to matter more than anything else,
Speaker 2: and I think he did a great job of highlighting
Speaker 2: that to the American voter tonight. Don't forget we do
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