WEBVTT - VP Debate Night: Kamala Loses as her Record was Exposed 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:01.680 Welcome. 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:04.640 It is verdict was Center, Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you, 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.680 and on debate nights, we get to do a joint podcast, 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:09.920 which is really fun for both of us and Center. 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:12.000 You just watched it, We got to watch it together, 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:16.760 you got to commentate on Hannity afterwards. And your initial 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.599 takeaway from this debate, I thought JD had a pretty 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:20.040 good night. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.800 He had an excellent, excellent night. It is eleven five pm, 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:26.280 just after the debate. As you noted, I just finished 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:30.280 doing Hannity and talking about the debate. I think this 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.120 was a good night for America. The winner of the 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:37.440 debate tonight was Donald Trump. The loser of the debate 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:41.919 tonight was Kamala Harris. Yeah, both candidates I think did 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.720 an effective job. Tim Waltz was frankly better than I expected, 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.839 but he had a very difficult case to make because 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.600 his job was to defend Kamala Harris's record. And the 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.040 reason that I think it was such a good night 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.360 for Trump is I think JD did a good job 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:03.279 of prosecuting Kamala Harris's actual record. She is desperately, desperately, 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.800 desperately trying to run away from her record. Trying to 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:09.279 hide in the basement. And tonight the contrast was made 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.200 between the incredible successes on the border, on the economy, 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:16.360 on foreign policy under Donald Trump as compared to the 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.680 incredible failures on the border, on the economy, on foreign 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.920 policy under Kamala Harris and and and that stark divide 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:29.760 was there. I think Tim Waltz tried mightily to pretend 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.600 the record didn't exist. But but but there were some 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.920 rough moments because he couldn't deny reality. And and and 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.520 it really goes to the to the fundamental core conceit 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.319 of the Kamala Harris campaign, which is she is trying 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:48.000 to live in this alternate reality where she is the 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:52.800 change candidate and Donald J. Trump is the incumbent president, 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.640 and that is not in fact the planet on which 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.520 we live. And I think j did a good job 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:02.320 multiple times of saying, if she has all these policy proposals, 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:04.200 why isn't she doing any of them now? 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.080 Yeah, for the last three and a half years. 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.160 And Walts has no answer to that other than well, well, 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.600 what's happening now isn't working, so that's the problem. 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:13.920 There was one funny part of the debate that I 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.720 laughed and it was when he was talking about how 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.359 none of the wall was actually built, and then it 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.399 was like he realized, oh wait, maybe I don't want 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.639 to go that far with this point, because she's got 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.000 an ad out showing down on Trump's wall, and he 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:28.560 was like he kind of backpedaled on. 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:30.400 He's like, well, you guys didn't build much of that wall. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.440 It's like, well, now, didn't she just say, didn't know 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.000 you're here to represent just say we got to have 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:37.520 a secure border, build a wall. 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.480 Well, and you could tell that Waltz was uncomfortable defending 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.760 Kamala's record because he kept trying to go back to 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.000 Minnesota over and over again. Yeah, look at what I've 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:48.959 done in Minnesota. Look at what I've done in Minnesota. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.960 It's like, wait a second, you're not the candidate for president. 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:56.880 Kamala Harris says, she's been the vice president. And I thought, 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.120 in particular, the strongest moments of the debate were on 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:05.760 economics and the impact for working men and women, that 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.239 that just people's lives are harder, that the cost of 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.560 everything has gone up, the cost of food, the cost 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:14.960 of healthcare, the cost of uh gasoline. And I thought 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:19.120 on the cost of housing. I think jd Vance made 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:20.880 a good point of Look eleven and a half million 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.400 illegal immigrants, do you think that's driving up the cost of housing? 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:28.400 And I will say two of the losers tonight were 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.880 sitting in the moderator chairs and and and that they 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.840 they seem to be trying to topple prior moderators for 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:40.120 the biggest partisan hacks of a debate. I thought CBS's moderators, 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:44.760 Nora O'Donnell and Margaret Brennan did did a terrible job. Uh, 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.680 there is not a person in the universe who watched 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.640 this debate who has any doubt. 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.680 For the voting for either one of them. Is like that, 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:53.920 none whatsoever. 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.640 Yeah, And the best part was you and I were 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:58.680 watching together, and it's fun to watch these things together 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:00.640 because I was sitting there. One of the things that 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:02.440 made me laugh was when they did their hands off 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.400 to each other. It was like, thinking, we have to 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.440 make we have so many important they think back over 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.920 to you. It was like I was watching Anchorman outtakes, 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.320 and it was like, we are so official journalistic here, 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:14.960 and we're gonna be wonky. And and then they would 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.320 immediately go back in their hardest in their partisan hackery, 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:20.760 which was when they muted him. 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.039 Yes, no, no, that was wow. That really was a moment. 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:26.680 I tweeted, I said when that happened, I tweeted, I 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.800 was like in communist countries they mute microphones. They just 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.400 did it during the Vice president of debate that if 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.080 you want to know if the state sponsored media, Yeah, 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:37.080 they just did it. 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.560 I really was waiting for them. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.880 You know, you made the Acreman equip as we're watching 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:43.600 the debate, and I was really waiting for one of 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.160 them to lean over as Ron Burgundy and say, screw you, 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.240 Sandiego And I'm cleaning the language up a little bit 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.120 from the actual line of the movie. But but it 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:58.359 was number one, stilted, they're moderating number two. It was 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:02.919 incredibly smart me and condescending you. Their entire attitude is 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:04.680 we know better than all of you. And by the way, 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.680 the things they interrupted, they were supposed to not do 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.080 fact checks. When they did do them, they were wrong 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:13.640 and they were completely self satisfied. And the moment when 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:19.200 they cut off JD. Vance's microphone was pitiful. It was 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:24.160 nakedly biased. It was hackery. It was nothing but partisan hackery. 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.120 And I think CBS really got a black eye. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.719 I think that could hurt them for real when it 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.080 comes to people watching, and it's really hard to defend 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.320 that they were nonpartisan when they did that. 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I want to go back to 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:14.600 the beginning of the debate, and the first question coming 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:16.600 into the debate was one I think we all knew 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:18.679 it was going to be on Israel and the attack 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:23.880 on Israel from Iran, and Waltz was very, very very nervous, 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.160 you could tell, but he also didn't know what to 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.400 do because there's a hard part of the of the 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.840 Democratic Party, especially him in Minnesota with the extremists there 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.720 that hate Israel and they're the ones that are protesting 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.000 and supporting the terrorists. And when he came out, he 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.000 had a little bit of an oops. Listen carefully. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.560 I ran our Israel's ability to be able to defend 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:51.480 itself as absolutely fundamental getting its hostages. 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:54.280 Back it's hostages. But I was like, come on, man, 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:55.720 you got to do a little bit better than this. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.560 But it tells you where the Democratic Party is right now. 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:00.960 They don't want to come out into fa Israel too much, 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.000 but they know they have to defend him on the 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:03.720 face tonight. 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.360 And it was this weird, awkward moment for him. 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:10.760 Well, and look, he had a talking point that was 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:15.120 written for him for his handlers, by his handlers, that 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.120 was to say, Israel has a right to defend itself 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.880 and the hostages should be returned. And so those are 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.280 the two sentences he was told to say. And then 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.120 he immediately said, but we have to address the humanitarian 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.800 crisis in Gaza, because that's really what the Democrat Party 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.280 is worried about, is that too many Hamas and Hezbela 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.880 terrorists are being killed. And so he had to throw 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.400 that in. What he didn't say, you know what he 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:41.440 didn't say a word about Iran attacking Israel, firing, not 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:46.959 a word at Israel. Look, Iran just just pummeled Israel 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.000 with missiles and that is a major escalation. Now Iran 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.040 has been funding Hamas and funding Hesbel, that's been fighting 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:57.079 through proxies. But this is now Iran directly attacking Israel. 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:02.040 And the question he was asked, would he support Israel 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:06.840 striking back? And you know what, he didn't answer. He'd 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.400 not want to answer. He did not want to answer 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:16.880 at all. And you know, critically the opening of his answer. 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:22.760 Tim Waltz's answer was, this crisis began on October seventh. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.000 Well, that's actually wrong. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.679 This crisis began in January of twenty twenty one, when 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.800 Joe Biden and Kamala Harris came in, when they began 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:38.439 flooding one hundred billion dollars to Iran, That's when the crisis. 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.839 And by the way, when they came in, remember what 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:46.120 was happening. Just weeks before, we had peace flourishing in 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.840 the Middle East. We had the Abraham Accords signed on 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:50.920 the south lawn of the White House. I was there 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.080 for the signing of the Abraham Accords. You know what 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.000 not a single Democrat showed up for the signing of 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.760 the Abraham Accords, not a single Democrat senator, not a 0:09:58.760 --> 0:09:59.960 single Democrat house member. 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.839 I did not realize that none of them showed up. 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.240 And that was the deal that dealt with the word 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:06.480 they're obsessed with, which is peace. 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:12.040 Right, Yes, it was historic peace. It was the Arabs 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:16.559 and the Israelis coming together and signing historic peace accords. 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.679 And not only did no Democrats sign up at the 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.240 signing end. Do you know what Joe Biden Kamala Harris 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:26.000 instructed the State Department? What was that in writing? They said, 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.679 you were not allowed to use the words Abraham Accords. 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.559 Don't even call them what they were called. They were 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:36.800 instructed to call them normalization agreements, but do not use 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:42.200 apparently acknowledging Father Abraham as too much and anything that 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.400 Trump did, they were not allowed to make reference to. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.880 But explicitly, the State Department was instructed, don't use the 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:52.120 words Abraham Accords. So we went from historic peace, the 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:57.199 first peace agreements signed between Israelis and Arabs in four decades, 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.960 to suddenly Joe Biden and Kamala Harris come in and 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.880 they start flooding cash into Iran, and Iran starts flooding 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:10.280 cash into Hamas and Hezbola that paid for the death 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.400 squads on October seventh, and Tim Waltz had. 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.400 Not a word to say about that, not a word to. 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:19.080 Say about the one hundred billion dollars that Kamala Harris 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.400 gave as a gift to Iran. And you know what 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:27.120 is still giving today today Joe Biden and Kamala Harris 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.600 still refuse to enforce the oil sanctions against Iran. They 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.800 are literally funding the missiles that were fired on Iran today. 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.079 In a very real sense, Kamala Harris paid for those missiles. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:38.720 It's shocking. 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:40.760 Also, the media when you're watching this, they didn't ask 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.120 about sanctions. They also didn't ask about Herris and what 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.839 the response should be from this administration, right because she's 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:47.720 in the administration. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:49.120 To be fair, they did. 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:53.679 Their question was, would you support a preemptive strike by 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:57.080 Israel against Iran? In and now it's not actually preempted 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.319 because it is in response for the attack. So the 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:03.280 word pre is a loaded lefty word. It's not preemptive 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.760 if you're defending yourself after you've been attacked. But that 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.439 was the question they asked, and to be clear, when asked, 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.840 would you support it? Tamala is the sitting VP, and 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.040 we know Joe Biden is non COMPASSMENTUS. I don't know 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:17.839 if he's passed out on the beach in Delaware or 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:18.520 what he's doing. 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.000 But he didn't spend almost two hours on the phone, 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.400 he said this weekend talking about hurricane stuff. 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.240 Almost two hours. Well, you know, and look, that's a 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:28.120 lot of time for him. 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.520 I believe that because when my girls were young, we 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.440 had an app on the phone that was the wheels 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.440 on the bus go round and round. And I believe 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.640 he spent two hours on the phone, perhaps with an 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:38.240 app like that. 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.720 But the question that they should have asked was, are 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:42.680 you guys, what would you do differently? What would you 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.520 advocate for? What would you support sanctions? I mean you 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.800 and I talked about this in our show on Monday. 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.640 There was if and correct me if my numbers are wrong, 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:55.160 but I'm quoting you. It was three hundred thousand barrels 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.200 a day is what a RAM was producing when Trump 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:00.319 was in office. It's now two million barrels. 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.760 Well, and I wish JD had provided more specifics on that. 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.520 That answer could have been tighter with more facts on it. 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.760 The question I wish they would have asked them is 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.839 both them like, hey, guys, are you would you right now? 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:17.000 Should there move more sanctions or should they be enforcing 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.560 the sanctions? Or even the question, hey, why is your 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.640 running mate Kamala Harris not doing more to enforce the sanctions? 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.320 They could stop a RAN from murdering Donald Trump? 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.520 Yes, and that didn't come up tonight, which I was 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.360 also shocked by because we talked about this again in 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:35.959 Monday's pod. You have a RAN that's funding and recruiting 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:40.440 assassins to takeout Donald Trump and other former leaders in 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.800 our government, and as they're doing that, no one asked 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:44.800 that question tonight. 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:46.600 Yeah, look at it now. 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.600 I will say a point that Jady made on this 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.360 that was very effective is when he looked at the 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.800 camera and he asked the American people, he said, think 0:13:54.920 --> 0:14:00.040 back in your lifetime, what president has not had a 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.560 age or military conflict during his presidency? And he said, 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.880 I'm forty years old, and there's only one president that 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.800 you could answer yes to, and that is Donald J. 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:10.720 Trump. Yeah. 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.960 That was a very effective point, and I think it 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.560 probably made some people think and Waltz had no response 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:18.960 to that other than well, well, but you know, I 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.320 don't like Trump, and other people don't like Trump either. 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:26.320 But the simple point that we had peace when Trump 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.720 was president and we now have war, not just in 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.560 Israel but in Ukraine. When you have a week in 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.000 an effective commander in chief, that contrast was pretty stark. 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.640 I also thought there was another narrative tonight that really 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.120 got blown up, and that was the obsession by the 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.200 media to label JD. 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:47.000 Vance's strange or weird. He's a weird guy's odd. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.240 I think he came across as very likable, very normal, 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.240 came across as a dad, and I think that also 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.400 could help Donald Trump significantly. 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.320 Yeah, yeah, no, Look, I think that's right. I will 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.720 say one of the things that surprised me. I thought 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.480 this debate was going to be nastier. You and I 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.480 both said that before. You were like, dude, they don't 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:09.920 like each other. We both knew that, but I thought 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.360 it was going to be nasty too. Look, my sense 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.000 is that they really dislike each other, although to be fair, 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.040 I haven't talked to JD about that, so I don't 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.680 know firsthand from him. It just the appearance from the 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.600 media and the general milieu, as it appears that neither 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.840 one of them likes each other. And so I thought, 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.240 you know, i'd used an analogy that are going to 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:30.920 be rolling around in the mud. This is gonna be 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.440 a mud wrestling match, and it wasn't. And both of them, 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.800 neither of them had even a single really nasty line, 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.800 which which is a little surprising. If you'd asked me 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.800 to bet beforehand, I would have I would have bet 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.440 it's more likely that they each had a dozen nasty 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.280 lines at each other than Toro and it. And in fact, 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.680 both of them more than once praised the other one, 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:01.200 which was an interesting I don't know if that how 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.840 much of that was genuine, how much of that was strategic, 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.840 how much of the campaign said, Look, your job is 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:08.320 to be likable and relatable. 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.840 But but and if it was, it was a great strategy. 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:15.320 Yeah, And and both did so multiple times, said said 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.560 you know, look when when Tim Waltz described how his 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.400 son had witnessed a shooting and which which I didn't 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.320 know either, and that's that's horrific. You and I are 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.920 both dads. I certainly wouldn't want our kids to see 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:31.520 a shooting and I thought JD when it came back 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.160 and said, Hey, I didn't know your son had done that. 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.920 I'm really sorry. That's that's like horrible one, No one, 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.520 that's horrible. That was real and genuine, and I thought, 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.280 and there were moments back and forth for both of 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:41.840 them like that. 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.440 When you look at how this played out tonight, you 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:46.720 and I have said this before and you go back 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:52.000 in history, VP debates don't really usually matter. Does it 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.360 matter a little bit more this time? Do you think 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.840 because there was only one present debate number one and two? 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:01.000 Because if Donald Trump is he's running for four years, right, 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.880 there's no chance in eight years here? Does that change 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:06.960 the perception of voters as well? 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:12.400 Look damned if I know, I will say I think 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.960 this probably mattered at the end of the day. Historically, 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:19.159 VP debates don't matter much. If you think back to 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:24.840 VP debates about the only time, I'm willing to guess 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.560 you could only remember one moment, two moments from VP debates, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.960 you probably remember the fly landing on Mike Pence's head. 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.160 And that will be seared into my brain forever. 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.600 Yes, especially since Saturday Night Live had a giant fly 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:37.960 and then they did a good join. They did a 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.120 great job with that. But the only line I bet 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.080 you you can quote, and you're about as much of 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.479 a political junkie as anyone, is the only line I 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.080 bet you you can quote is Lloyd Benson to Dan 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.680 Quayle saying, I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was my friend, 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:52.919 and Senator, you're no. 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:57.000 Jude Kennedy bingo, and that that was a damn line. 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:59.040 And that was that was what was that eighty eight 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:04.040 or nineth that it was? It was Ducacus Benson. And 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.439 by the way, dan Quayle and George Bush won. So 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.640 it didn't change the outcome of election. It did kind 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:13.159 of sear in public consciousness. That was one of the 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.680 moments where where the caricature of Quail as a lightweight 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:21.000 that that line it hurt him. It was clearly rehearsed, 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:28.240 it was landed very effectively, which is why three decades 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:29.439 later we're talking about it. 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:29.760 Yeah. 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.520 And it was also I think to find Dan Quail 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.720 as a candidate on his own, yeah, which was sad well. 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.040 And and the reason it was prepared is because Quail 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.480 had been using as a talking point, you know, I'm 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.320 the same age Jack Kennedy was because he was trying 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.119 to say I'm not inexperienced and. 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.200 He looked young if you remember, he looked really he 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:50.160 was twenty six. 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.720 Yeah, and it was Benson was very able to deliver 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:54.359 that line. 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:54.879 And it was. 0:18:55.040 --> 0:19:00.000 But historically VP debates have not moved votes one where 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:04.719 or the other. 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