1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 2: It is verdict was Center, Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you, 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 2: and on debate nights, we get to do a joint podcast, 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: which is really fun for both of us and Center. 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: You just watched it, We got to watch it together, 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 2: you got to commentate on Hannity afterwards. And your initial 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: takeaway from this debate, I thought JD had a pretty 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: good night. 9 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 3: He had an excellent, excellent night. It is eleven five pm, 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 3: just after the debate. As you noted, I just finished 11 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 3: doing Hannity and talking about the debate. I think this 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 3: was a good night for America. The winner of the 13 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: debate tonight was Donald Trump. The loser of the debate 14 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 3: tonight was Kamala Harris. Yeah, both candidates I think did 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 3: an effective job. Tim Waltz was frankly better than I expected, 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 3: but he had a very difficult case to make because 17 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: his job was to defend Kamala Harris's record. And the 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: reason that I think it was such a good night 19 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 3: for Trump is I think JD did a good job 20 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 3: of prosecuting Kamala Harris's actual record. She is desperately, desperately, 21 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: desperately trying to run away from her record. Trying to 22 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,279 Speaker 3: hide in the basement. And tonight the contrast was made 23 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: between the incredible successes on the border, on the economy, 24 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: on foreign policy under Donald Trump as compared to the 25 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 3: incredible failures on the border, on the economy, on foreign 26 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 3: policy under Kamala Harris and and and that stark divide 27 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 3: was there. I think Tim Waltz tried mightily to pretend 28 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: the record didn't exist. But but but there were some 29 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: rough moments because he couldn't deny reality. And and and 30 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: it really goes to the to the fundamental core conceit 31 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 3: of the Kamala Harris campaign, which is she is trying 32 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: to live in this alternate reality where she is the 33 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: change candidate and Donald J. Trump is the incumbent president, 34 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: and that is not in fact the planet on which 35 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: we live. And I think j did a good job 36 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: multiple times of saying, if she has all these policy proposals, 37 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: why isn't she doing any of them now? 38 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, for the last three and a half years. 39 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 3: And Walts has no answer to that other than well, well, 40 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: what's happening now isn't working, so that's the problem. 41 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: There was one funny part of the debate that I 42 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: laughed and it was when he was talking about how 43 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 2: none of the wall was actually built, and then it 44 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 2: was like he realized, oh wait, maybe I don't want 45 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 2: to go that far with this point, because she's got 46 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: an ad out showing down on Trump's wall, and he 47 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: was like he kind of backpedaled on. 48 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: He's like, well, you guys didn't build much of that wall. 49 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: It's like, well, now, didn't she just say, didn't know 50 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: you're here to represent just say we got to have 51 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: a secure border, build a wall. 52 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: Well, and you could tell that Waltz was uncomfortable defending 53 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 3: Kamala's record because he kept trying to go back to 54 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 3: Minnesota over and over again. Yeah, look at what I've 55 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 3: done in Minnesota. Look at what I've done in Minnesota. 56 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 3: It's like, wait a second, you're not the candidate for president. 57 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris says, she's been the vice president. And I thought, 58 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 3: in particular, the strongest moments of the debate were on 59 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: economics and the impact for working men and women, that 60 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 3: that just people's lives are harder, that the cost of 61 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: everything has gone up, the cost of food, the cost 62 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 3: of healthcare, the cost of uh gasoline. And I thought 63 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: on the cost of housing. I think jd Vance made 64 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 3: a good point of Look eleven and a half million 65 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: illegal immigrants, do you think that's driving up the cost of housing? 66 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: And I will say two of the losers tonight were 67 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: sitting in the moderator chairs and and and that they 68 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: they seem to be trying to topple prior moderators for 69 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: the biggest partisan hacks of a debate. I thought CBS's moderators, 70 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: Nora O'Donnell and Margaret Brennan did did a terrible job. Uh, 71 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: there is not a person in the universe who watched 72 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: this debate who has any doubt. 73 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: For the voting for either one of them. Is like that, 74 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: none whatsoever. 75 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the best part was you and I were 76 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: watching together, and it's fun to watch these things together 77 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: because I was sitting there. One of the things that 78 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: made me laugh was when they did their hands off 79 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: to each other. It was like, thinking, we have to 80 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: make we have so many important they think back over 81 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: to you. It was like I was watching Anchorman outtakes, 82 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: and it was like, we are so official journalistic here, 83 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: and we're gonna be wonky. And and then they would 84 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: immediately go back in their hardest in their partisan hackery, 85 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: which was when they muted him. 86 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: Yes, no, no, that was wow. That really was a moment. 87 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: I tweeted, I said when that happened, I tweeted, I 88 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: was like in communist countries they mute microphones. They just 89 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: did it during the Vice president of debate that if 90 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: you want to know if the state sponsored media, Yeah, 91 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: they just did it. 92 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: I really was waiting for them. 93 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: You know, you made the Acreman equip as we're watching 94 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 3: the debate, and I was really waiting for one of 95 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 3: them to lean over as Ron Burgundy and say, screw you, 96 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: Sandiego And I'm cleaning the language up a little bit 97 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 3: from the actual line of the movie. But but it 98 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 3: was number one, stilted, they're moderating number two. It was 99 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 3: incredibly smart me and condescending you. Their entire attitude is 100 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 3: we know better than all of you. And by the way, 101 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 3: the things they interrupted, they were supposed to not do 102 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: fact checks. When they did do them, they were wrong 103 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: and they were completely self satisfied. And the moment when 104 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: they cut off JD. Vance's microphone was pitiful. It was 105 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 3: nakedly biased. It was hackery. 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I want to go back to 141 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: the beginning of the debate, and the first question coming 142 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: into the debate was one I think we all knew 143 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,679 Speaker 2: it was going to be on Israel and the attack 144 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: on Israel from Iran, and Waltz was very, very very nervous, 145 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: you could tell, but he also didn't know what to 146 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: do because there's a hard part of the of the 147 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: Democratic Party, especially him in Minnesota with the extremists there 148 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: that hate Israel and they're the ones that are protesting 149 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: and supporting the terrorists. And when he came out, he 150 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: had a little bit of an oops. Listen carefully. 151 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 4: I ran our Israel's ability to be able to defend 152 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 4: itself as absolutely fundamental getting its hostages. 153 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: Back it's hostages. But I was like, come on, man, 154 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: you got to do a little bit better than this. 155 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: But it tells you where the Democratic Party is right now. 156 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: They don't want to come out into fa Israel too much, 157 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: but they know they have to defend him on the 158 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: face tonight. 159 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: And it was this weird, awkward moment for him. 160 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: Well, and look, he had a talking point that was 161 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 3: written for him for his handlers, by his handlers, that 162 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: was to say, Israel has a right to defend itself 163 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: and the hostages should be returned. And so those are 164 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: the two sentences he was told to say. And then 165 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: he immediately said, but we have to address the humanitarian 166 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: crisis in Gaza, because that's really what the Democrat Party 167 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: is worried about, is that too many Hamas and Hezbela 168 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: terrorists are being killed. And so he had to throw 169 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 3: that in. What he didn't say, you know what he 170 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 3: didn't say a word about Iran attacking Israel, firing, not 171 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 3: a word at Israel. Look, Iran just just pummeled Israel 172 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: with missiles and that is a major escalation. Now Iran 173 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 3: has been funding Hamas and funding Hesbel, that's been fighting 174 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 3: through proxies. But this is now Iran directly attacking Israel. 175 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: And the question he was asked, would he support Israel 176 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 3: striking back? And you know what, he didn't answer. He'd 177 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: not want to answer. He did not want to answer 178 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: at all. And you know, critically the opening of his answer. 179 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: Tim Waltz's answer was, this crisis began on October seventh. 180 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: Well, that's actually wrong. 181 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 3: This crisis began in January of twenty twenty one, when 182 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 3: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris came in, when they began 183 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 3: flooding one hundred billion dollars to Iran, That's when the crisis. 184 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 3: And by the way, when they came in, remember what 185 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: was happening. Just weeks before, we had peace flourishing in 186 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: the Middle East. We had the Abraham Accords signed on 187 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 3: the south lawn of the White House. I was there 188 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 3: for the signing of the Abraham Accords. You know what 189 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: not a single Democrat showed up for the signing of 190 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: the Abraham Accords, not a single Democrat senator, not a 191 00:09:58,760 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: single Democrat house member. 192 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: I did not realize that none of them showed up. 193 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: And that was the deal that dealt with the word 194 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: they're obsessed with, which is peace. 195 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, it was historic peace. It was the Arabs 196 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 3: and the Israelis coming together and signing historic peace accords. 197 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 3: And not only did no Democrats sign up at the 198 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: signing end. Do you know what Joe Biden Kamala Harris 199 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: instructed the State Department? What was that in writing? They said, 200 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 3: you were not allowed to use the words Abraham Accords. 201 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 3: Don't even call them what they were called. They were 202 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 3: instructed to call them normalization agreements, but do not use 203 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 3: apparently acknowledging Father Abraham as too much and anything that 204 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: Trump did, they were not allowed to make reference to. 205 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: But explicitly, the State Department was instructed, don't use the 206 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 3: words Abraham Accords. So we went from historic peace, the 207 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 3: first peace agreements signed between Israelis and Arabs in four decades, 208 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 3: to suddenly Joe Biden and Kamala Harris come in and 209 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: they start flooding cash into Iran, and Iran starts flooding 210 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 3: cash into Hamas and Hezbola that paid for the death 211 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 3: squads on October seventh, and Tim Waltz had. 212 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: Not a word to say about that, not a word to. 213 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 3: Say about the one hundred billion dollars that Kamala Harris 214 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 3: gave as a gift to Iran. And you know what 215 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 3: is still giving today today Joe Biden and Kamala Harris 216 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 3: still refuse to enforce the oil sanctions against Iran. They 217 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 3: are literally funding the missiles that were fired on Iran today. 218 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 3: In a very real sense, Kamala Harris paid for those missiles. 219 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: It's shocking. 220 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: Also, the media when you're watching this, they didn't ask 221 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: about sanctions. They also didn't ask about Herris and what 222 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 2: the response should be from this administration, right because she's 223 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: in the administration. 224 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: To be fair, they did. 225 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 3: Their question was, would you support a preemptive strike by 226 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 3: Israel against Iran? In and now it's not actually preempted 227 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 3: because it is in response for the attack. So the 228 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 3: word pre is a loaded lefty word. It's not preemptive 229 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 3: if you're defending yourself after you've been attacked. But that 230 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 3: was the question they asked, and to be clear, when asked, 231 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 3: would you support it? Tamala is the sitting VP, and 232 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: we know Joe Biden is non COMPASSMENTUS. I don't know 233 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 3: if he's passed out on the beach in Delaware or 234 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 3: what he's doing. 235 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: But he didn't spend almost two hours on the phone, 236 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: he said this weekend talking about hurricane stuff. 237 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: Almost two hours. Well, you know, and look, that's a 238 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: lot of time for him. 239 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: I believe that because when my girls were young, we 240 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 3: had an app on the phone that was the wheels 241 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 3: on the bus go round and round. And I believe 242 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: he spent two hours on the phone, perhaps with an 243 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: app like that. 244 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: But the question that they should have asked was, are 245 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: you guys, what would you do differently? What would you 246 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: advocate for? What would you support sanctions? I mean you 247 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: and I talked about this in our show on Monday. 248 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: There was if and correct me if my numbers are wrong, 249 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: but I'm quoting you. It was three hundred thousand barrels 250 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: a day is what a RAM was producing when Trump 251 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 2: was in office. It's now two million barrels. 252 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: Well, and I wish JD had provided more specifics on that. 253 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: That answer could have been tighter with more facts on it. 254 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: The question I wish they would have asked them is 255 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 2: both them like, hey, guys, are you would you right now? 256 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: Should there move more sanctions or should they be enforcing 257 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 2: the sanctions? Or even the question, hey, why is your 258 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: running mate Kamala Harris not doing more to enforce the sanctions? 259 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: They could stop a RAN from murdering Donald Trump? 260 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 2: Yes, and that didn't come up tonight, which I was 261 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: also shocked by because we talked about this again in 262 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 2: Monday's pod. You have a RAN that's funding and recruiting 263 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 2: assassins to takeout Donald Trump and other former leaders in 264 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: our government, and as they're doing that, no one asked 265 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: that question tonight. 266 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, look at it now. 267 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: I will say a point that Jady made on this 268 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: that was very effective is when he looked at the 269 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 3: camera and he asked the American people, he said, think 270 00:13:54,920 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 3: back in your lifetime, what president has not had a 271 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: age or military conflict during his presidency? And he said, 272 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: I'm forty years old, and there's only one president that 273 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 3: you could answer yes to, and that is Donald J. 274 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: Trump. Yeah. 275 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: That was a very effective point, and I think it 276 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: probably made some people think and Waltz had no response 277 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 3: to that other than well, well, but you know, I 278 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: don't like Trump, and other people don't like Trump either. 279 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: But the simple point that we had peace when Trump 280 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 3: was president and we now have war, not just in 281 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 3: Israel but in Ukraine. When you have a week in 282 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: an effective commander in chief, that contrast was pretty stark. 283 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: I also thought there was another narrative tonight that really 284 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: got blown up, and that was the obsession by the 285 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: media to label JD. 286 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: Vance's strange or weird. He's a weird guy's odd. 287 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: I think he came across as very likable, very normal, 288 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: came across as a dad, and I think that also 289 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: could help Donald Trump significantly. 290 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, Look, I think that's right. I will 291 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 3: say one of the things that surprised me. I thought 292 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 3: this debate was going to be nastier. You and I 293 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: both said that before. You were like, dude, they don't 294 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 3: like each other. We both knew that, but I thought 295 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 3: it was going to be nasty too. Look, my sense 296 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 3: is that they really dislike each other, although to be fair, 297 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: I haven't talked to JD about that, so I don't 298 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: know firsthand from him. It just the appearance from the 299 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 3: media and the general milieu, as it appears that neither 300 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 3: one of them likes each other. And so I thought, 301 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 3: you know, i'd used an analogy that are going to 302 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 3: be rolling around in the mud. This is gonna be 303 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 3: a mud wrestling match, and it wasn't. And both of them, 304 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 3: neither of them had even a single really nasty line, 305 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 3: which which is a little surprising. If you'd asked me 306 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 3: to bet beforehand, I would have I would have bet 307 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: it's more likely that they each had a dozen nasty 308 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 3: lines at each other than Toro and it. And in fact, 309 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: both of them more than once praised the other one, 310 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 3: which was an interesting I don't know if that how 311 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 3: much of that was genuine, how much of that was strategic, 312 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 3: how much of the campaign said, Look, your job is 313 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 3: to be likable and relatable. 314 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: But but and if it was, it was a great strategy. 315 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, And and both did so multiple times, said said 316 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 3: you know, look when when Tim Waltz described how his 317 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 3: son had witnessed a shooting and which which I didn't 318 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 3: know either, and that's that's horrific. You and I are 319 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: both dads. I certainly wouldn't want our kids to see 320 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: a shooting and I thought JD when it came back 321 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: and said, Hey, I didn't know your son had done that. 322 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 3: I'm really sorry. That's that's like horrible one, No one, 323 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: that's horrible. That was real and genuine, and I thought, 324 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 3: and there were moments back and forth for both of 325 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 3: them like that. 326 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: When you look at how this played out tonight, you 327 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: and I have said this before and you go back 328 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: in history, VP debates don't really usually matter. Does it 329 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 2: matter a little bit more this time? Do you think 330 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: because there was only one present debate number one and two? 331 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: Because if Donald Trump is he's running for four years, right, 332 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 2: there's no chance in eight years here? Does that change 333 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: the perception of voters as well? 334 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 3: Look damned if I know, I will say I think 335 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 3: this probably mattered at the end of the day. Historically, 336 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 3: VP debates don't matter much. If you think back to 337 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: VP debates about the only time, I'm willing to guess 338 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: you could only remember one moment, two moments from VP debates, 339 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: you probably remember the fly landing on Mike Pence's head. 340 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: And that will be seared into my brain forever. 341 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 3: Yes, especially since Saturday Night Live had a giant fly 342 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 3: and then they did a good join. They did a 343 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 3: great job with that. But the only line I bet 344 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 3: you you can quote, and you're about as much of 345 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,479 Speaker 3: a political junkie as anyone, is the only line I 346 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: bet you you can quote is Lloyd Benson to Dan 347 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 3: Quayle saying, I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was my friend, 348 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 3: and Senator, you're no. 349 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: Jude Kennedy bingo, and that that was a damn line. 350 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: And that was that was what was that eighty eight 351 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 3: or nineth that it was? It was Ducacus Benson. And 352 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 3: by the way, dan Quayle and George Bush won. So 353 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 3: it didn't change the outcome of election. It did kind 354 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 3: of sear in public consciousness. That was one of the 355 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 3: moments where where the caricature of Quail as a lightweight 356 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 3: that that line it hurt him. It was clearly rehearsed, 357 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 3: it was landed very effectively, which is why three decades 358 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 3: later we're talking about it. 359 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 360 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: And it was also I think to find Dan Quail 361 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: as a candidate on his own, yeah, which was sad well. 362 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 3: And and the reason it was prepared is because Quail 363 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 3: had been using as a talking point, you know, I'm 364 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: the same age Jack Kennedy was because he was trying 365 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 3: to say I'm not inexperienced and. 366 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: He looked young if you remember, he looked really he 367 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: was twenty six. 368 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was Benson was very able to deliver 369 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 3: that line. 370 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: And it was. 371 00:18:55,040 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: But historically VP debates have not moved votes one where 372 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 3: or the other. 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And then when 430 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 5: he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, 431 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 5: Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job 432 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 5: as the. 433 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: That's a post general as you did. So what Tim 434 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: Waltz is doing, and I Honestly, Tim, I think. 435 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 5: You got a tough job here because you've got to 436 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 5: play whack a mole. You've got to pretend that Donald 437 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 5: Trump didn't deliver rising take home pay, which of course 438 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 5: he did. You've got to pretend Donald Trump didn't deliver 439 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 5: lower inflation, which of course he did. And then you 440 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 5: simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which 441 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 5: has made gas, groceries and housing unaffordable fair American citizens. 442 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 5: I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go 443 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 5: into medical debt so that she could put food on 444 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 5: the table in our household. I know what it's like 445 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 5: to not be able to afford the things that you 446 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 5: need to afford. We can do so much better to 447 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 5: all of you watching. We can get back to an 448 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 5: America that's affordable again. We just got to get back 449 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 5: to common sense economic principles. 450 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: I hope we have a conversation on healthcare then. 451 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 4: Senator of Governor, please, thank you, Margaret, we have a lot. 452 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 2: I love that they jump in there by the way, 453 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: thank you, thank you. We gotta we got to move 454 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: on from that real quick. You just you just smacked 455 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 2: him around a little bit. 456 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I mean that they were. They were eager 457 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 3: to help out Waltz. They were also on the fact checking. 458 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 3: You know, we talked about it at at the open 459 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 3: of the pod when they cut off JD's mike. Now, 460 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 3: so that was a moment when number one Kamala was 461 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 3: getting beat up hard on immigration. Yeah, but number two 462 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 3: the moderators jumped in and JD talked about the Haitian 463 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: illegal immigrants who are in Springfield, Ohio, and you know, 464 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 3: they wanted to reprise the whole cat thing. 465 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: I was surprised. 466 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 3: I also, I would have lost a bet if you 467 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 3: had given me the odds on whether the word cat 468 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 3: would be said in the debate. I would have bet yes, 469 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 3: and I would have lost that bet. So so that 470 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 3: the moderators did not say that, nor did Tim Waltz. 471 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 3: But JD rightly said, look, this massive influx of illegal 472 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 3: aliens is putting an enormous burden on the residents of 473 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 3: Springfield and every other city in Ohio and every other 474 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 3: city in the country. And the moderators chimed into correct him, 475 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 3: well those are legal immigrants, and he said, blooney, yeah, 476 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 3: and this is a fiction. So look, we have a 477 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 3: legal immigration system and what has happened is Joe Biden 478 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 3: and Kamala Harris have abused our immigration law law. So 479 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 3: the three hundred thousand plus Haitians in Nicaraguins and Cubans 480 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 3: and Venezuelans, they've flown in, they've flown in into programs 481 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 3: where they say, well, these guys are all now legal 482 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 3: just because we've decided to open the doors and call 483 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 3: everyone we let in legal. That is not legal in 484 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 3: any ordinary sense. They are illegal immigrants. And in particular, 485 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 3: JD rightly talks about the app CBP one, which we've 486 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 3: talked about on this podcast before, an app for illegal 487 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 3: immigrants to apply online for Kamala Harris to let him 488 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 3: in our open border. 489 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 2: And they did not like him saying this because it 490 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: was fact checking them. 491 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 3: It was they were fact checking him. They were wrong, 492 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 3: he countered him, and then they cut off his mic 493 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 3: right when Tim Waltz was saying, well, well, you know 494 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 3: this has been around for years. CBB one was just 495 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 3: created by Joe Biden Kamala Harris. Here play the clip 496 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 3: when they cut off his mic, because it really is 497 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 3: revealing of the enormous bias and the factual just mendacity 498 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: of the CBS moderators. 499 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: We have so much to get to, Margaret. 500 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 4: I think it's important out of the economy. 501 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: Thanks Margaret. 502 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 5: The rules were that you got in a fact check, 503 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 5: and since you're fact checking me, I think it's important 504 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 5: to say what's actually going on. So there's an application 505 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 5: called the CBP one app where you can go on 506 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 5: as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for 507 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 5: parole and be granted legal status at the wave of 508 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 5: a Kamala Harris open border Wand that is not a 509 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 5: person coming in applying for a green card and waiting 510 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 5: for ten years. Thank you, senatoration of a legal immigration 511 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 5: Margaret Bye. 512 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 4: Thank you senator for describing the legal process. Have so 513 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 4: much to get the senator. 514 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: So much the book since nineteen ninety, Thank you, gentlemen. 515 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: Want to have app has not been on the books. 516 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 4: Something gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics 517 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 4: are cut. We have so much we want to get to. 518 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 4: Thank you for explaining the legal process. 519 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 3: I love that the legal process. I mean that is 520 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 3: so smarmy. Yeah, like arrogant, skiing, snarky. Look these there's 521 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 3: no doubt they're political bias. There's no doubt they love 522 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris. There's no doubt they're voting for Kamala Harris. 523 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 3: Thank you for describing the legal process. No, CBP one 524 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 3: is not the legal process. It is an app designed 525 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: by Kamala Harris and Joe Biden to facilitate a massive 526 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 3: invasion of this country. 527 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: And they and they shut the mic off. 528 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 2: I actually am glad they did it because it's just 529 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: And when anybody says in the future, well, there's no 530 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: bias to me and Mike, really did you see? 531 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: And I love that she says. They try to act 532 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: like we shut. 533 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: Both your micros OFFT No, you were shutting down jd Vance, who. 534 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: Was fact checking you and pointing out that she was lying. 535 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: And pointing out shesign. We got to move on. We 536 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: have other important things. And by the way, I promise 537 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: you that moment, if you pulled the audience in America watching, 538 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 2: they would have loved to have heard what JD. 539 00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: Van said. 540 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 2: Like course I would have been like, bo, I want 541 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: to hear this right, Like wait, give me a second. 542 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 3: That's absolutely right. But CBS didn't want the audience to 543 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 3: hear that. You know, there was another moment on the 544 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 3: same topic of the border, where Tim Waltz said the 545 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 3: most brazen lie of the entire debate, and when when 546 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 3: Waltz was back pedaling and trying to defend the disaster 547 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 3: of Kamala's open borders, tim Waltz said, quote, border crossings 548 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 3: are down compared to when Donald Trump left office. 549 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, now, which is a lie. And you and I 550 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 2: both are looking on the TV like that that's not true. 551 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 3: That that is not slightly true. It's not kind of true. 552 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 3: It's not in any way. And let me give you 553 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 3: the stats. So in December twenty twenty, the total encounters 554 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: with illegals was eighty nine thousand and seventy two. In 555 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 3: August twenty twenty four, the total encounters was one hundred 556 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 3: and fifty eighty nine hundred and eighty eight, So it 557 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 3: was nearly twice as many. And and mind you, look, 558 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 3: there's been a slight dip in the last couple of 559 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 3: months because Biden and Harris are trying to pretend to 560 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 3: do something about the border, and they're just doing it 561 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 3: as electioneering. And to put it in, in all of 562 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 3: fiscal year twenty twenty, do you know how many encounters 563 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 3: with illegals there were under Trump? How many six hundred 564 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 3: and forty six, eight hundred and twenty. 565 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: Two that's like a month in this administration. 566 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 3: In fiscal year twenty four year to date. And by 567 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 3: the way, we're not all the way through twenty four. 568 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 3: Do you know how many of they've been? How many 569 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 3: two million, seven hundred and fifty six thousand, six hundred 570 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 3: and forty six. 571 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 572 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 3: And by the way, these these brave fact checkers, did 573 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 3: you notice the CBS cut off? They say, wait a second, governor, 574 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 3: you just said that border encounters were lower now than 575 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 3: they were under Trump. That is flat out false. They 576 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 3: didn't say that because they're not in the business of 577 00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 3: fact checking democrats. 578 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: Well, and they also didn't bring up something else that 579 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 2: I actually thought this was a missopportunity. I think JD 580 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 2: had a great night, but I wish he would have 581 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 2: seized on this. The acting ICE Director put out all 582 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: of these numbers that we've talked about here, yes, about 583 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: the number of rapists that were let go that we 584 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: knew were rapists, the number of murderers that were let go, 585 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: and the number of those that had been charged with 586 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 2: Haines's crimes, and we still let go into this country 587 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: and that didn't see the light of day tonight. And 588 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 2: it's again it goes back to the moderators, like it's 589 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: shame on them for not actually talking about the acting 590 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 2: ICE director saying this, when they're going to talk about 591 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: the border. 592 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: How do you talk about the border without that? But 593 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: I do. 594 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: And again it's debating's tough, and I want to be clear, 595 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: it's tough, But there was a missed opportunity there. I'm 596 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 2: shocked that JAD didn't really try to hammer that point home. 597 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 598 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 3: Look, look, I think JD did a very good job tonight. 599 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 3: I was surprised that the thirteen thousand convicted murderers did 600 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 3: not come up. It's such a powerful number and CBS 601 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 3: hasn't covered it, the news hasn't covered it, and so 602 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 3: this debate was an opportunity for That's actually something that 603 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 3: I wish that, like it had been slowly explained that 604 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 3: they've taken a little bit of time. You need to 605 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 3: understand that right now today there are more than thirteen 606 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 3: thousand illegal aliens who are free, who have not been apprehended, 607 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 3: who are convicted murderers. There is nothing whatsoever stopping Kamala 608 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 3: Harris from picking up all thirteen thousand of them tomorrow. 609 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 3: Legally she has every right to do so. They are 610 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: here illegally, they can be detained, they can be deported. 611 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 3: And yet and there are another two thousand roughly illegal 612 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 3: aliens who have pending murder charges, so they're being charged 613 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 3: with murder, and you know what, they're free too. There 614 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 3: is nothing z preventing Kamala Harris from picking up those 615 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 3: two thousand. And I would have loved to see JD 616 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 3: turn to Tim Walton say, Governor, why doesn't Kamala Harris 617 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 3: pick up those fifteen thousand murderers right now? And what 618 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 3: would you say to the mothers of the children murdered 619 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 3: by these illegal alien murderers that you continue to allow 620 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 3: on the street. Yeah, he wouldn't have an answer to that. 621 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: No, he wouldn't have an answer to that. 622 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: And look again, like I said, debating is hard, and 623 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: I think one of the things that he did really 624 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 2: well was he talked about the fact that people are 625 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 2: suffering in this country because there's so many illegal immigrants. 626 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: And it backfired on CBS. They were talking about the 627 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: economy and they were talking about the housing crisis. It 628 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: was a little bit later in the debate many people. 629 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 2: If you didn't watch the whole debate, this was one 630 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 2: of those moments. I think they actually buried it on purpose. 631 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 2: They need to check a box, ask a question about 632 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 2: the about housing. But there was a moment there where JD. 633 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 2: Van sees on like, well, yeah, of course home prices 634 00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: are going. 635 00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: To be up. 636 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 2: You whatt Fifteen to twenty million people in this country. 637 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 2: They got to have a roof over their head at night. 638 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: They're competing with you, especially for low cost housing and apartments, 639 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: which is skyrocket and price undoubtedly. 640 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 3: And CBS really clowned themselves on this because because one 641 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 3: of the moderators chimed in and said, well do you 642 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 3: have any evidence of that? What proof do you have 643 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 3: of that? And JD, to his credit, was prepared and said, well, actually, 644 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 3: there's a Federal Reserve study that lays out the impact 645 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 3: of illegal immigration driving up the cost of housing, and 646 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 3: we'll put that out on social media right now so 647 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 3: you can go read the study. But he also made 648 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 3: the point of just supply and demand. What do you 649 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 3: think an additional eleven and a half million people is 650 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 3: going to be ending housing is going to do? Do 651 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 3: you do these houses magically get created from the sky. 652 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 3: Is there a wand that makes them, makes them come 653 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 3: into existence? And the moderators just didn't like that point, 654 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 3: and so they were but they looked pretty silly when 655 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 3: they asked if he had any evidence, and the answer was, well, yes, 656 00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 3: I love. 657 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 2: The other day on TV they were talking about the 658 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: price of hotels in New York City if skyrocketed, Yeah, 659 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: because I think it's like one out of x summer, 660 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 2: of every hotels is filled with illegal immigrants. 661 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: They're taking away hotel room course. 662 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: So then they get more for the hotel rooms that 663 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 2: are available. You and I I don't even know if 664 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: did you know I got stranded in New York City 665 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 2: and there wasn't a single hotel room after we came 666 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 2: back from the airport. 667 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: Did I tell you this? 668 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 2: So this is how bad it is. And this is 669 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 2: when I learned, like really firsthand. I went the airport, 670 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 2: was on the plane, was on the plane for like 671 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 2: four hours. They finally cancel the fight. We pulled back 672 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 2: up the gate and they say go back in the city. 673 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 2: So immediately get on the phone. I called Fox. I'm 674 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 2: there for TV. I'm like, hey, I'm going to need 675 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 2: a hotel room and I got to get back to 676 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 2: the city, and then I get into a fight back 677 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 2: in the morning to Houston, and she was like, no problem, 678 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 2: I'll call in a minute. Go ahead and head down 679 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 2: the cars and we'll get you back to the city. 680 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 2: She said, I've never seen this before. There's not a 681 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 2: single hotel room in the city. And I'm like not. 682 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 2: And it wasn't like there was like the super Bowl 683 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 2: going on. This is a normal Tuesday in New York. 684 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 2: And I was like, are you kidding. Well, then I 685 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 2: open up my app and I'm like, I get on Expedia. 686 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: There are no hotel rooms. They start looking in New Jersey, 687 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 2: They're looking everywhere. Finally, the only option was to go 688 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 2: back to the city and hope that someone doesn't come 689 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 2: to a hotel room. I sat outside of the hotel 690 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: I always stay at, know the manager, and I walked in. 691 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 2: He's like Ben, He's like, this is because of all 692 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 2: the illegal immigrants in the city. He goes, there's no 693 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: hotel rooms to deal with a capacity. I set outside 694 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 2: to one in the morning until finally someone canceled the 695 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 2: hotel and then he checked me into that room at 696 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 2: one o'clock. So I sat there from seven to one am. 697 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 2: My fight was at six and mornings. I slept for 698 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 2: like three hours, and he said, this is what they've 699 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 2: done to our city, referring to the illegal immigrants and 700 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 2: how many have come in. And when I say there 701 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 2: was an it was there was not a hotel room 702 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 2: in the city. That's what's happening now because of legal immigration. 703 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 2: I want to tell you about Blackout Coffee. 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Center. 730 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 2: I want to talk and rap on the issue of style. 731 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 2: You know, you and I both thought this was going 732 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 2: to be a intense debate. They don't like each other. 733 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 2: They're going to throw down. I think we're also gotten 734 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 2: kind of used to that with Donald Trump. That's what 735 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 2: we've seen over the last several years. Joe Biden likes 736 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 2: to do that as well. We've seen a lot of 737 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 2: the Republican debates. Primary debates didn't by the way Hillary 738 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 2: and Trump was nasty. 739 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: They were nasty. 740 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean they threw down, and tonight I didn't. 741 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 2: I did enjoy a little bit of civility, absolutely, and 742 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 2: that was something we haven't seen. But I also think 743 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 2: if it was a strategy by the by the Trump team, Hey, 744 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 2: you're going to be the likable guy. You're going to 745 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 2: try to bring more people into the tent. I want 746 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,720 Speaker 2: you to walk away really thinking that you're the right choice. 747 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: They nailed it. If that was the intent tonight. 748 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I think JD came across as real and relatable. 749 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 3: He did a good job of telling his own family 750 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 3: story and his own background, I mean his you know, 751 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 3: he wrote a best selling book, Hill Billy LG. Was 752 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 3: made into a movie, a very very good movie, a 753 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 3: movie that's terrific to watch. But yet a lot of 754 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 3: people don't know that story. He's been a caricatured just 755 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 3: like Trump has. And I think tonight made real progress 756 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 3: making him seem like a real person, seem like a 757 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 3: husband and a father, and you know, someone who has 758 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 3: has journeyed from very humble beginnings to right now being 759 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 3: the nominee to be vice president of the United States. 760 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 3: That's one heck of a journey. 761 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting. 762 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 2: We're what thirty five days, thirty six days away from election. 763 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: Day, thirty five days today, thirty five days until election day. 764 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to what I've said before, 765 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 2: it's the economy, stupid. I think that's how they win 766 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 2: this thing. The economy's going to matter more than anything else, 767 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 2: and I think he did a great job of highlighting 768 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 2: that to the American voter tonight. Don't forget we do 769 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 2: this show Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Make sure you get 770 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 2: that subscribe or auto download button so you don't miss 771 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,280 Speaker 2: an episode when big things happen, whether it's a debate tonight. 772 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 2: We'll do a lot of times a dual show, my 773 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 2: podcast and Verdict together, so make sure you grab both 774 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 2: shows and I will keep you up to date on 775 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 2: those in between days between Verdict always a pleasure. It's 776 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 2: fun to watch the debate together and get to do 777 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 2: the show together on big nights like tonight. 778 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 1: We'll see you back here tomorrow.