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Speaker 1: Ron Anian.

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Speaker 2: The manufacturers now are calling for on certain vehicles high ignitability.

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Speaker 2: And what high ignitability does is it helps in specific

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Speaker 2: situations for better efficiency and more power for cars. Today,

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Speaker 2: the Car Doctor, I have not done the break fluid.

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Speaker 3: I have not done a plush.

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Speaker 4: And fill in the radiator.

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Speaker 3: I have not done anything else.

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Speaker 2: I would do coolant, and I would do brake fluid.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of Ronananian, the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 1: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the

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Speaker 1: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick.

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Speaker 2: Up the phone and call in. The garage doors are opening,

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Speaker 2: but I am here to take your call at eight

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Speaker 2: five five five six ninety nine hundred and now. Running

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Speaker 2: batteries are top of mind for me this week as

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Speaker 2: we kick off this hour of the Car Doctor. It's

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Speaker 2: you know, I've been doing a lot of reading at

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Speaker 2: auto batteries dot Com because there's just a lot of technology. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: we're we're moving forward with so many changes for you know,

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Speaker 2: batteries and battery technology and start stop and hybrid and

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Speaker 2: so on, and auto batteries dot com has just got

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Speaker 2: some great information. And then I guess it kind of

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Speaker 2: came home to roost because you know, auto batteries dot

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Speaker 2: com talks about the value in testing your battery and

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Speaker 2: you know, getting the right battery and being due diligence

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Speaker 2: and you know, maintaining your vehicle's battery. So we closed

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Speaker 2: the shop on Friday this week. You know, it was

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Speaker 2: a typical and it was kind of a quiet Friday.

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Speaker 2: We actually it was a rare Friday when you know,

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Speaker 2: I actually got to work a lot on the Montecarlo

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Speaker 2: this week, so you know, I've got the rear brakes

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Speaker 2: rebuilt and painted all my backing plates and break drums

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Speaker 2: and you know, be ready to hang the master cylinder

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Speaker 2: on Monday or Tuesday time permitting, and maybe get that

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Speaker 2: this week. And you know, we we could have done

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Speaker 2: this before five o'clock, but nah, the gods of auto

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Speaker 2: repair just kind of smiled and laughed at us. So

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Speaker 2: we you know, we locked up. We did our usual

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Speaker 2: end of the week and locked up, shut the shop up,

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Speaker 2: and you know, put everything away and swept the floors

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Speaker 2: he was going. I went out to you know, I

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Speaker 2: went to we took the kids. We went to the

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Speaker 2: diner and we had you know, Friday night at the diner,

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Speaker 2: and we had some yucks and researched. Kathy left and

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Speaker 2: she she went to her chiropractor and the truck was fine,

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Speaker 2: and when she came out, it wouldn't start. So I

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Speaker 2: got an SOS call sitting at the diner, and I

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Speaker 2: knew something was up because it's not you know, when

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Speaker 2: I when I see nine one one like oops, and uh,

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Speaker 2: you know in the text box, I go, well, I

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Speaker 2: guess this is important, and you know, I texted her

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Speaker 2: back what's up, and she said, well, the truck won't start,

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Speaker 2: you know, it would it wouldn't crank. She would turn

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Speaker 2: dashboard and I suggested, you know, go through and shift

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Speaker 2: from park to neutral, and she said, but she doesn't

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Speaker 2: neutral and all that. She doesn't have a prindle display.

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Speaker 2: But yet she has some dashlights, but not all of them,

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Speaker 2: and it's just acting funny, and I said to myself,

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Speaker 2: I said, this is a bad battery. I said, this

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Speaker 2: that was a real warm day in New Jersey this Friday.

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Speaker 2: It really was. It went from alone in the morning

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Speaker 2: nine degrees at six o'clock last night, or the Friday

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Speaker 2: night when this happened. And you know, when I see

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Speaker 2: why temperature swings, when I see extremes like that, I

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Speaker 2: always think about batteries. They seem to react to it.

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Speaker 2: So she had a toad, and you know, we kind

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Speaker 2: of gave her the you know, you know Kathy Sticket

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Speaker 2: enough going on. And you know, I put a vault

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Speaker 2: do funny things. And I had to do a battery

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Speaker 2: quarter to eight as darkness was approaching, and it just

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Speaker 2: made me think, as you know, I'm listening to Kathy's

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Speaker 2: questions that you know, could this had been prevented? No,

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Speaker 2: it can't be prevented. Yeah, the battery was four years old.

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Speaker 2: four years? You know, that's an argument I'm still having

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Speaker 2: in my head. I've been having for a while, and

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Speaker 2: I think about it, and I guess the point becomes.

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Speaker 2: You know that every once in a while, the cavalry

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Speaker 2: has to come and rescue somebody. And that's just the

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Speaker 2: way it works. You know, when you hear the you

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Speaker 2: Front forn and uh, you know, it's just part of

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Speaker 2: the process. All you can do is due diligence. All

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Speaker 2: you can do is stay up on your vehicle to

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Speaker 2: avoid the calamity. All right, but you've got to be prepared,

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Speaker 2: and Kathy was prepared. To her credit. She had a

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Speaker 2: Triple A. She called Triple A. They came out, they

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Speaker 2: battery in the truck. And it's a fairly simple vehicle.

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Speaker 2: It's an older Trailblazer, so getting a battery and isn't

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Speaker 2: But you know, every once in a while the cavalry

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Speaker 2: You've got to have a plan B at all times.

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Speaker 2: So but yeah, that was Kathy's adventure this week. That

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Speaker 2: for front anyway, I'm running the car doctor here at

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Speaker 2: your service. Let's go to Walter because I've been talking

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Speaker 2: Walt from Hawaii, let's let's wonder over his way. Walter,

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Speaker 2: how are you good?

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Speaker 5: How are you Ron?

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Speaker 2: I'm good, sir. What's going on? Tell the listeners what

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Speaker 5: It's a two thousand Honda Cord three point zero Leader

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Speaker 5: V six and it had the surgeon idol. I took

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Speaker 5: put them back on the idle quit surgeon. But now

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Speaker 5: it's constantly a twelve hundred do pm or so and

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now, this also had an EGR issue right that

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Speaker 2: we talked about it that the e GR valve didn't

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Speaker 5: The GR valve was incredibly dirty. I cleaned it and

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Speaker 2: Okay, if you look at this throttle plate, Walter, and

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Speaker 2: I know you're a curious guy by nature. If you

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Speaker 2: look at it, where does it sit? Because there's not

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Speaker 2: you and I established. This has a throttle cable.

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Speaker 5: Correct, exactly right.

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Speaker 2: So unless it's leaking past the idler control motor, which

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Speaker 2: I think you said you blocked off or did I

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Speaker 2: misunderstand you, which I did, Yes, you blocked off, not disconnected.

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Speaker 2: You blocked it off. You took it. You physically took

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Speaker 2: it off the car and plugged the holes.

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Speaker 5: No, I disconnected it, right, So.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I want you to do, all right, I

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Speaker 2: want you to take the rubber.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you've got a scan tool, right. Did

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Speaker 2: you look at fuel trim?

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Speaker 5: Yes? I do. There's no codes, all right, But.

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Speaker 2: Did you look at fuel trim?

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Speaker 2: I bet you, I bet you.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure I looked at it, but it wasn't anything significant.

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Speaker 5: It made me think, I you know, I.

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Speaker 2: Just you know, is there a significant source of air somewhere?

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Speaker 2: All right? Are we seeing a lean fuel mixture? Is

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Speaker 2: what's on my mind? All right? And then my second

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Speaker 2: thought is if you were to block that, that throttle body,

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Speaker 2: If you were to block that throttle body, does this

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Speaker 2: car idle down? It should stall, it should just die

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Speaker 5: I have not done, and I will do all right.

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Speaker 2: But before you do that, I want you to look

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Speaker 2: at the throttle plate, all right. I want you to

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Speaker 2: look at the throttle stop screw. Okay, this this car,

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Speaker 2: this car is twenty three years old. The throttle stop

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Speaker 5: I'll have to check that. I know the screw you're

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Speaker 5: it or something right right, makes it stick out right.

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Speaker 2: So chances are no. But you know, you know, how

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Speaker 2: do we get to what's bad? We know what's good?

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Speaker 2: All right? If you look at if you look at

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Speaker 2: we would that screw would be loose and we would

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Speaker 2: back it off until the throttle plate just kissed the housing,

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Speaker 2: that there's air clearance. If you took a light and

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Speaker 2: shined it from the back, you would see air around

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Speaker 2: the circumference of both of both plates. I think this

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Speaker 2: is a two board plate, a two bore throttle body. Right,

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Speaker 2: this isn't one big one. There's uh yeah, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know that where that way? And we've got equal

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Speaker 2: light on both. Not that I've ever seen a twisted chef,

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Speaker 2: but I always tend to look forward from the days

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Speaker 2: of carburetors. But you know, you know, do I have

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Speaker 2: equal light all the way around? Okay? And and that's

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Speaker 2: all I want. It's it's just it's not hard to

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Speaker 2: they're right once. You know, that's it. That's minimum airflow. Okay.

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Speaker 2: If you if you were to take the idle layer

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Speaker 2: the idelaer control valve is stuck. But to prove to

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Speaker 2: to you gotta put something over the throttle plate itself

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Speaker 5: I don't have not done that. I will do that.

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Speaker 2: Only air can hold that up. Walter. If it was

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: If you if you add oxygen to a fire, what

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Speaker 2: So if that keeps running with the idle air control

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Speaker 5: Okay, I cannot find a vacuum link. I've looked pretty

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Speaker 5: I don't I used it, but it didn't seem to

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Speaker 2: Well, it might be running too fast at this point.

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Speaker 2: Do those things. You're gonna find it with one of

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Speaker 5: Kiddo, Okay, I will do that.

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Speaker 2: Good luck.

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Speaker 5: By the way, our temperature varied here the other day too,

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Speaker 2: Walter, you're killing me. Oh, you're killing me. Wal I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you you're gonna get such an expensive phone plane

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Speaker 2: you we're gonna do the first remote from Hawaii. Walter,

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Speaker 2: I gotta go him up against.

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Speaker 5: The Thanks so much for taking my call.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome. Ketto send me an email, let me know

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Speaker 2: what's going on. I'll see you. I'm Ronning Andy and

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Speaker 2: the car doctor. I'll be back right after this. He

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Speaker 1: But when it comes to fixing cars, Ron has car

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Speaker 2: Eight five to five five six zero nine to nine

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Speaker 2: zero zero. Here's Ron. Hey, let's get over to Patel

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Speaker 2: in Indiana. Patel, welcome back. What are you working on

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 6: John?

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Speaker 3: I appreciate the call. I'm looking on this twenty seventeen

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Speaker 3: Honda with two point five four cylinder. Okay, he has

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Speaker 3: that fancy Honda fans safety system which I hate, but

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Speaker 2: I guess right. This is rain sensing wipers we're talking about, right.

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Speaker 3: No Honda calls it to say, his hands. So they

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Speaker 3: have this adaptive close control, lane departure, all this autonomous breaking.

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Speaker 2: All this okay, got okay?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I pulled the code. Uh and the codes

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Speaker 2: Was this car? Was this car in an accident or all, Patel,

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Speaker 2: Not that.

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Speaker 3: I know of, but someone did, like was parking in

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Speaker 4: Back in in the back. I'm gassing all the safety

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Speaker 2: In there now their front end, back, their front back

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 4: I have a good feeling that one of the fans

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Speaker 4: that is not giving data, I think, and all these

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Speaker 2: Well, this could be and this could be a sensor

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Speaker 2: This could be uh, somebody replaced. Did you have you

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Speaker 2: owned this car since new? Or did you did you

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Speaker 6: It was just new?

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, and this problem just developed one day he

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Speaker 4: Yes, And I want to find out a specific code

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Speaker 4: if you happen to have that that database that you

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Speaker 2: Right, what's what's what? What code is it that you have?

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Speaker 3: B two five eight three DASH fifty four is a

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Speaker 2: Say that number again.

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Speaker 3: For Peter two five eight three dash five four.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, five to eighty three is your is your

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Speaker 2: they're taking you into a subsection of the diagnostics that

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it does?

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Speaker 2: Right? The for some reason the well and I can

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Speaker 2: all right, the radar system the aiming is incomplete or inaccurate.

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Speaker 2: It failed its self test. Okay, all right, and now

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Speaker 7: All right, somebody has right, yeah, I wanted you a

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Speaker 4: You can do this as well.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, and this is this is a funny area.

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Speaker 2: Now a DOS so let's explain everybody what's going on.

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Speaker 2: This vehicle has a do US, this has this has

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Speaker 2: driver assist systems in it that will help keep the

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Speaker 2: regulate when the cruise is on. If it's so equipped

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Speaker 2: Something here is a skew and let's let's explain. Let

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Speaker 2: me just explain how sensitive this system is. If this

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Speaker 2: the activation sensors or one of the control sensors in

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Speaker 2: But it's a matter of do they have have they

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Speaker 3: So this is not I can only autel have that system.

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Speaker 3: Accept the manufacture.

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Speaker 2: I guess right, it's you know, this is not a

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Speaker 2: This is not a five This is not five thousand

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Speaker 2: So I would go down and talk to the Honda

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Speaker 6: Let me know what.

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Speaker 2: Happens, but tell everybody wants to know. I'm run an

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Speaker 2: Don't go in.

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Speaker 3: She's really find my pahlt nice she's you'll find my

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Speaker 3: phone nine, my phone.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Welcome back, Welcome back, Welcome back, Ron and

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Speaker 2: any and at your service. You know mister Cooper, Herb Cooper,

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Speaker 2: her battery failure. Herb writes, our friend of ours was

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Speaker 2: At one point, someone who was around said they knew

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Speaker 2: First red flag, I know, he writes, but triple A

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Speaker 2: old battery. Of course, of course herb absolutely. Now there's

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Speaker 2: you know, did I was? I worried about a draw? No,

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Speaker 2: I did test her alternator, all right, because I normally

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Speaker 2: latitude here urban for everybody else out there. There's you know,

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Speaker 2: there's gonna be a there's gonna be some modifications to it,

439
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: depending upon as the need seed's fit. But at the

440
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 2: very least, yes, when you're doing a battery like that,

441
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 2: you know there's a there's a drill that always said,

442
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: you know there's steps one through eight. You don't jump

443
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 2: to four, all right, you know when he was working

444
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 2: on DC threes back in the war. You know it's

445
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 2: it's you're gonna check the battery. The battery fails a

446
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 2: low test, the battery's got low standing voltage, whatever the

447
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 2: case might be. Uh, And the battery was extremely hot,

448
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: by the way, I should point that out I shot it.

449
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't mention that in the early part

450
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 2: of the hour. You know, the handle was so hot

451
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 2: it had a lift handle in the battery. The handle

452
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 2: was so hot that you almost couldn't hold on to

453
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 2: it with your bare hand. That's how hot the battery was.

454
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 2: So there was some heat yesterday going on in New Jersey.

455
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 2: So and you know, more batteries die from heat and

456
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 2: hot weather than they do from cold weather, in case

457
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: you didn't know that. But that's you know, that's that's

458
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 2: not an uncommon thing. So but you know, yeah, you

459
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 2: would do the battery, you know you would. If I

460
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 2: had the time, I would have charged that battery, just

461
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 2: thrown a quick charge on it had been sitting on

462
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: the battery wreck for probably two and a half three weeks.

463
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 2: And you know then I would always do an alternator test.

464
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: Now I kind of cheated with Kathy because in her case,

465
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 2: I could hear when the car started, I could hear

466
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: the alternator starting to whine a little bit, meaning that

467
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: it was working. You know, you can kind of pick

468
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 2: that up after a time. I did put a voltmeter

469
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 2: on it. It was running fourteen two while we cleaned up

470
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 2: and put tools back and got the shot back locked

471
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 2: up again with the car running out in the parking lot,

472
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: we left it running with the AC on, the lights on.

473
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 2: That was enough of a load, turn the blower on high,

474
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 2: and it maintained fourteen volts or better. You know that

475
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: entire time, I think it dipped to thirteen point nine something.

476
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 2: You know by the time we were done eight minutes,

477
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: nine minutes later. So yeah, you know, yes, to answer

478
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 2: the question, it's it's it's it's very important that you, you know,

479
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 2: go through the tests. The problem becomes what is the

480
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 2: customer willing to pay? And I offer that up as

481
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 2: a point of conversation. If you have a dead battery,

482
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 2: are you, as a consumer, willing to pay for a

483
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 2: draw test, an alternator test, or just a battery replacement.

484
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 2: It's just a battery. They all go bad. And you

485
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 2: know the reason I mentioned this is because another two

486
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 2: Trailblazer doing a battery and herb doesn't say what your

487
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 2: car this is. But on another two trail Blazer doing

488
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: a battery, you can take a little more latitude. There's

489
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 2: it's not as technologically advanced as a twenty two two

490
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 2: model your car. But going forward, I see the day

491
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: when doing a battery is an hour, an hour and

492
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 2: a half a shop time if it's not already with

493
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: the tests that have to be run. Another friend of

494
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: ours Another customer of the shop, Jeff, his daughter's Volkswagen

495
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: needed a battery this week, and he brought it up

496
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: and we had a battery there waiting because we were

497
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: fairly certain from his description that's what it was, and

498
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 2: put a battery in, started up vault did an alternative test.

499
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 2: But here's a case where I wanted to do a

500
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 2: draw test. Absolutely positively that Volkswagen had to sit in

501
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: the bay with a meter hooked up for the better

502
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 2: part of two hours before all the modules went to sleep.

503
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 2: That I could see there was no draw on that system.

504
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: That's how long it took.

505
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Speaker 6: It was.

506
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: The first hour, the milliamp draw on that battery was

507
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty seven milliams, fluctuating hundred and sixty

508
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 2: to one hundred and seventy two, and you would almost

509
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: think there's a problem, but Volkswagen's guidelines call for up

510
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: to two hours. We let that vehicle sit for two

511
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: hours and the draw went down under fifty millims, which

512
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: is the acceptable minimum. So you know, battery replacement, whether

513
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 2: it's a two thousand and two Trailblazer, whether it's whatever

514
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: mister Cooper's friend is driving, or whether it's the fourteen

515
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 2: Volkswagen Jetta that Jeff brought us. Is it varies by vehicle,

516
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: it varies by technology. It's going to continue to vary.

517
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,239
Speaker 2: It's not going to get simpler, it's going to get

518
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: more complicated. So you as the consumer, if you're a

519
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: consumer out there, you're going to have to adjust your

520
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 2: thinking and just you know, your question you want to

521
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 2: know is did they do an appropriate repair based on

522
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: the age and the technology on the vehicle. That's the

523
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: important thing to ask, you know, not just can you

524
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 2: put a battery in my car? Can you put a

525
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: battery in my car? Properly? We're going to add that

526
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 2: word to the vocabulary. A five five five six zero

527
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Speaker 2: nine nine zero zero or running inning the car Doctor.

528
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: I'll be back right after this. Welcome back, Running the

529
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Speaker 2: card Doctor at eight five five five six zero nine

530
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Speaker 2: nine zero zero. Give us a call. Keep in mind

531
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Speaker 2: that phone number is twenty four to seven toll free

532
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero.

533
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: Leave a message if we're not on the air. We're

534
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: Saturday afternoons through to four pm East Coast time. Tom Ray,

535
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: executive producer, chief cook and bottle washer. Here, we'll give

536
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: you a call back and put you in the que

537
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: for the next live broadcast. Let's go over to Mitch

538
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: in Virginia ninety seven Mercury grandmar Key, Mitch, Welcome to

539
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: the car doctor, sir, How can I help?

540
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 6: Okay, yes, thank you so so much. Yeah, I came up,

541
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 6: the engine light came in. It came with a call

542
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 6: one seventy one. So it says, uh changed the two

543
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 6: cents or it's a the front one right in front of.

544
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: The uh well one seven one seven to one is

545
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: a lean fuel condition bank one?

546
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, yeah, it's exactly what the thing said.

547
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: What things said, change the O two censor. Nothing says

548
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: changed an O two censor right off the bat. Tell

549
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 2: me how you got here?

550
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 6: Well, all right, so I I the light came on,

551
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 6: so I checked it with the sensor thing, that scanner thing,

552
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 6: and then so I said, leaned bank one. So then

553
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 6: I checked all my connections. I mean, uh, you know,

554
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 6: I checked the air filter clean that it was still good,

555
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 6: you know, checked all the connections because I changed the

556
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 6: intake manifold on it too, So I thought maybe something

557
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 6: was loose, but you know, nothing was loose.

558
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: So did the fault code come up? Before you change

559
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: the intake.

560
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 6: No, that that didn't come up for that one time.

561
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 6: It came up for the math sensor, you know, the

562
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 6: box thing, right, So that.

563
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 5: Was the first thing when I bought the car.

564
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 6: So I bought the car. It only had thirty nine

565
00:27:59,000 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 6: thousand miles on it.

566
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: Ch, Let's let's back up a second here, babe. So

567
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: when did the check engine light come on for this

568
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: particular fault after the intake matter fault?

569
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 6: Yeah?

570
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, So let's let's go through. What do you do?

571
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: What do you do for a living? Mitch?

572
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 6: Oh, I spackled my whole life.

573
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: Okay, remember high school math? Oh yeah, I remember, Remember

574
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: algebra and geometry and all that. Oh yeah, remember remember

575
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 2: those Remember those positive number line things that they made

576
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: us do. And we all looked at each other and said,

577
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: what the heck is this for? Where zero and then

578
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: plus positive numbers and negative numbers, and we said, what

579
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: a bunch of nonsense? This is right? Yeah, integers and

580
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Were you in

581
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: the back of missus True's class. No'm only kidding. So

582
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: let's talk about fuel trim, all right. A P zero

583
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: one seven one is a lean condition on bank one.

584
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: This is a V eight engine. Bank one is the

585
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: bank where cylinder number one lives. Okay, if we were

586
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: looking at those number lines, zero is a balanced fuel mixture,

587
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: all right, It's got the correct proportion of air air

588
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: to gasoline.

589
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 6: You with me, Yes, I'm listening to you know, I'm

590
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 6: not I'm not a Joe pro mechanical.

591
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we're gonna call.

592
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 6: Card dealer is a junk yard.

593
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: No, no, no, listen to me. I'm gonna walk you through

594
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: this slow. But I only got a couple of minutes.

595
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: So so you know, zero is a balanced fuel mixture.

596
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: If it starts to get to the point where the

597
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: computer decides the vehicle needs more fuel, it would show

598
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: negative numbers. I'm sorry, it would show positive numbers. It's

599
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: going to add fuel to a lean condition, all right,

600
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: so you would see those numbers. You would see those numbers.

601
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: So instead of zero, you would see five percent, ten percent,

602
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: fifteen percent, and so on. Okay, if it's got.

603
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 6: Before were the number one seventy one, right, that's what

604
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 6: you're saying.

605
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: No, forget the one seventy one. That's one seventy one's

606
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: the fault code. We're talking about zero on the number line.

607
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 2: Remember the heightt goal number line high school math. That's

608
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: where we started this conversation. Yeah, ye, okay, so zero,

609
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: all right. If it has to add fuel, remember positive five,

610
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: positive ten, positive fifteen, it's adding five percent, ten percent,

611
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: fifteen percent more fuel to that base number of zero,

612
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: all right. If it's if it's running too rich, if

613
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: it was a carbureted vehicle and the choke was stuck

614
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: on and it's running too rich, it's going to be

615
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: a negative five, a negative ten, and so on down

616
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: the line. It's going to take fuel away. The way

617
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: it's adding or taking away fuel is it's changing how

618
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: long the fuel injector for each cylinder is open or closed.

619
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: All right, So it's it's adjusting fuel injection pulse with

620
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: for in simplest terms, for the sake of our conversation,

621
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: a one seven to one occurs on a Ford product

622
00:30:54,480 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: because it saw twenty five percent or more fuel fuel

623
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: trim for that bank. Okay, at twenty four percent. The

624
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: code doesn't set at twenty six percent. The code sets

625
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: you with me, okay, all right. If bank one goes

626
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: to twenty six percent, I'm gonna get a one to

627
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: seven to one. Right, if bank two got two? Got

628
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: two banks here?

629
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 3: Right?

630
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: Got bank one, bank two? You got eight cylinders, four

631
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: in each bank. If Bank two is at twenty four percent,

632
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: is it going to set a fault code for lean

633
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: fuel on Bank two? No? No, right, so stop looking

634
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 2: at the code. Go look at fuel trim. Does your

635
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: skin tool show fuel trim? Does it show data?

636
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 6: Just a basic thing I don't have, like a Joe proble.

637
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, well see, and that's the problem. So before

638
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: you beat yourself up and try changing this two centsor

639
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: that you can't get out because it's stuck in there

640
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: after all this time, all right, I would find the

641
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: shop that can diagnose for fuel trim, or I would

642
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: very carefully go over your intake, manifold replacement. Do you

643
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: have a vacuum leak off somewhere?

644
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 6: You know?

645
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 2: My next question would be a vacuum mine off somewhere.

646
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: My next question would be if you had pro paane,

647
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: a little bit of pro paine and an enrichment device.

648
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: I would sniff around the intake. Is it seated properly?

649
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: Because I'd be willing to bet there's either a vacuum

650
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: line disconnected or there's a manifold that's not seated correctly.

651
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: You know, I've got to go over. You've got to

652
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: go over the work you did. Listen, you're a spackler, right,

653
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Speaker 2: you put up you put up the dry wall in

654
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: my kitchen ceiling, and all of a sudden, three days

655
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: later it starts to bubble. Did some kid take a

656
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: bath upstairs and did water drip through? Or is it

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00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: something in the layup and the setup of the dry

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00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: wall and the smack put.

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Speaker 6: Enough mud underneath the tape? Well?

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Speaker 2: Right, so right, so bingo, you need to find out,

661
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: you know, do you have enough mud under the tape?

662
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: Do you have enough tape? Do you have enough dry wall?

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Speaker 6: Well? I said the intake properly. I talked it all,

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Speaker 6: you know, and then like then let it warm up

665
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 6: and then make sure it was everything was. I don't

666
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Speaker 6: have any leaks anywhere.

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00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: Right, well, none that you can find. The way you're

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00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: going to know. The way you would know is you

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Speaker 2: would look at it on a scan tool using data stream.

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00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: You know, there's actually a number on a scan tool,

671
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: like when you go to the when you go to

672
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: the doctor and they look at heart rate and blood pressure,

673
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: there's actually a number there where they can actually see. Hey,

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00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: his heart rate is this? His blood pressure is that?

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00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: That's just numbers. You need to find a scan tool

676
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: or somebody with a scan tool that can diagnose it.

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00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: You can change that, oh too. I don't think that's

678
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: going to fix it for you. I would want to

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00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: verify fuel trim before I went any further, all right,

680
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: And you know it would just be an easy first step.

681
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: So it might pay for you to go down and

682
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: buy an hour of a shop's diagnostic skill if they

683
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: have it, and I'll let them look at it first

684
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: before you go any further. I'm here. If you need more, Mitch,

685
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: I'll do what I can for you from my seat here.

686
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call. Eight five five five six zero

687
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Speaker 2: nine nine zero zero running any of the car doctor,

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Speaker 2: I'm back right after this. Welcome back Ronnie and the

689
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: card doctor here. Let's do some email. Hey, ron I'm

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00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 2: considering purchasing this twenty fourteen Chevy Silverado, but I've heard

691
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: and seen some issues with the active fuel management system

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00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: that is in the higher end of General Motors vehicles

693
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: than Ally's and ltzs et cetera. This vehicle had an

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00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: engine fail at eighty thousand miles and then they put

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00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: a new reconditioned motor in it with one hundred thousand

696
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 2: mile warranty. When I look up online, when I look

697
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: uponline about this issue, mostly what I find is ways

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00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 2: to bypass the system. Do you have any recommendations about

699
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: this design? Would you recommend anything? I love listened shore

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00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: every Sunday morning here in northern Idaho.

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Speaker 6: Dan.

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00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan, the active fuel management didn't work out the

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00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: way GM intended it. You know, this is right up

704
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Speaker 2: there with the conversation I wanted to have today with

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00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: you guys about do you ever look at coffee cups

706
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: and dishwashers? How they manage the design it so you

707
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: can fit the right amount of coffee cups inside dishwashers.

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00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: I'd like to talk to the engineers that do that.

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00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: I like to talk to the engineers that create active

710
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: fuel management because you wonder what they're thinking. I know

711
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: they're chasing emissions compliance and fuel economy, but it seems

712
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 2: like they engineer it so that it's going to fail. Yeah,

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00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a terrible system, it really is. You know,

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00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: I have yet to see one with any length of

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Speaker 2: durability where it will go the life of the engine.

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00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: You know, I see typical act of fuel management failures

717
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: depending upon your oil change interval. I've seen them at

718
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 2: eighty thousand, I've seen them at one hundred and fifty thousand.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen any two hundred thousand mile act of

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00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: fuel management Engines go that distance without some sort of

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00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 2: a failure. Is that acceptable now? I mean, with proper

722
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: care and oil changes and maintenance, the average engine today

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00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: will go two hundred thousand with no issue, you know.

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00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: But these don't seem to seem to go that way.

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00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: So till the next time I'm running any of the

726
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: card doctor reminding you the mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.

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Speaker 2: See you

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Speaker 3: Spot begin the d