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Speaker 1: former tremendous college basketball players, tremendous college basketball coaches, both

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Speaker 1: last offseason. So they're doing a podcast, and uh, not

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Speaker 1: thought i'd put them both on together and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about a bunch of different topics. Some about point

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Speaker 1: guard play, UM, some stories I don't know how many

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Speaker 1: people know about about Seawan's how Sean substituted or actually

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Speaker 1: But like, look, I think one of the things, there's

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Speaker 1: a couple of things. One we're coaches kid, right, and

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Speaker 1: the whole thing is really really interesting, So I can

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Speaker 1: sell you on them, but you don't have to. Archie Miller.

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Speaker 1: It's Sean Miller. It's all ball. It's right now. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know this, but everybody

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Speaker 1: thinks this mustache is for November, right, we're doing partnership

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Speaker 1: but especially in the Big East. Right, my my guy

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Speaker 1: He said that, you know, my whole reason for wearing

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Speaker 1: and then uh the rest is history. But I appreciate

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Speaker 1: the respect Doug um Art. Like when when you're a

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Speaker 1: ten year age difference is a big difference than you know,

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Speaker 1: whatever and he's over there yelling like he's doing this thing.

428
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Speaker 1: We didn't really have like, you know, hand signals for

429
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 1: what we were doing, and so I didn't know what

430
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 1: the fun use Collins. I just called it time out right.

431
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: I was like, coach, what do you what do you want?

432
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: I just said through out the last time out right?

433
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: And we end up lout. We ran a good play,

434
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 1: uh it's called cowboy foot cowboy fade, and our best player,

435
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 1: Agrian Peterson missed the drive and they scored, and we

436
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: missed another one that we lose by six. But I

437
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. And I had on this pot I had,

438
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 1: I think it was I had Sydney Johnson, who was

439
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: recently the coach at Fairfield and of course Prince before that,

440
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: and he talked about how like the games are fun,

441
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: like you had to prepare the team so that you

442
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: gotta let them play. You gotta teach them everything in

443
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: practice of games. And I do think that's why you

444
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: have to have the trust in like your lead guard, right, Sean,

445
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: like where you can when when ships going crazy, and

446
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: as you said, you have McHale fourteen five or wherever

447
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: you're playing and the thing is nuts. You gotta have

448
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: somebody who just instinctively knows what to do, when to

449
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: do and all. Not only do you trust him, but

450
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: those other four dudes trust him and he gets them

451
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 1: where they need to get so that you get a

452
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: quality shot? Did you get a quality stop? Right? That's

453
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: the that's the hardest thing in the sport, no, no question.

454
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: You know. Doug Bill self gave me a great story

455
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: about coach Sutton. He said, you know, and he was

456
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 1: an assistant for coach Sutton. Uh, you know you run

457
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: the same plays and you know, he said, and Sean

458
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: and goes like Coach Sutton, unreal coach. And it's like

459
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: but his plays is sets at the time where like

460
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: really basic, you know, just and you're just kind of

461
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 1: like simple. And he said, one day he goes a

462
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: coach look he is, man, how about you know, can

463
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: we put this in or you know, have you ever

464
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: thought of this? And and coach Setton looked at him

465
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: and said, Bill Man, you just don't get it. What

466
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: don't I get you know? And he said, uh, he said,

467
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not running the place, so it works.

468
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: I'm running the place, so they have to pass it

469
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: five times. I tell you though, as a coach, though,

470
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: there's some truth to that, and that especially back then

471
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: with the shock clock, it's like one reversal to reversal.

472
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: Everybody touched it. There was a screen and then and

473
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: then you know, like basically gonna play some form of

474
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: emotion offense back then. But I thought it was just

475
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: it was a point that I laughed so hard because

476
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: I had plays in my pocket that look, it's it's good.

477
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: But what it does is it runs the clock for

478
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: twenty seconds and outcome knowing it. It's like I get

479
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: what I want as the coach, you know. But Tom

480
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: so Tom Brennan is insistent under raft at Hall and

481
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: he said, it's the first day of practice, right, and

482
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: they're out there and they're going through they're going through

483
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: uh offense, they're going through dry offense, and then they're

484
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: putting in five on five and the guys are screwing

485
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: up rass cars, stops it, makes a couple adjustments and

486
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: uh and then he walks better, not running again. He

487
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: walks back and a little young Tom Brendon stand next

488
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: to him, and TV comes up to h me and

489
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: goes raths. That was that was great. That was I

490
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: wish I had a notepad. That was crazy. He's like Tommy,

491
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: it's all bullshit. The shot goes in, You're a genius,

492
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: they miss it and you're a fucking idiot. Let's go practice.

493
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: He's the best man, you know, Like when I played

494
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: in the Big East. You know, it's crazy some of

495
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: my my favorite memories. And I think from the generation

496
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: that I played in the Big East, anyone who played

497
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: in the Big East would feel the same way. Like

498
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: Bill Raffordy, like you identify with him. You feel like

499
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: you and him have something in common. And uh, you know,

500
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: I love that guy. I mean he was he was

501
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: at the game when Jerome Lane shattered the board, and uh,

502
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: we're forever tied to that moment. But he's the best.

503
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: He really is. You know. To your earlier point about

504
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: guard play, you know, I think some of it is

505
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: when you used to work on your game. It was

506
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: about pick up basketball. I mean, if you weren't playing

507
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: shirts and skins at a park outside, you were soft,

508
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: like you just nobody respected you. And we would play

509
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: even at pit every day in the summer, three o'clock,

510
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: no air conditioning, Fitzgerald Field House. You wanted to be

511
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: on skins because if you were shirts, your hands would

512
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: be sweaty because you know, your your shirt would absorb

513
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 1: all the sweat because I mean it's just so human

514
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: in that place. But you know, winner stayed on and

515
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: then you know, players from Duquesne armand Gilliam used to

516
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: come in because he lived in Pittsburgh in the summer.

517
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: But some of the football players I remember, Ironhead Heyward,

518
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: like would be on the side and it's like I

519
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: got next, you know, this booming voice and like, oh god,

520
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: he I can't believe he's here, macause he could. He

521
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: was like five eleven to eighty and he could play.

522
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: But everybody played for keeps, and you know, if you lost,

523
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't a good thing because you had to stand

524
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: on the side for a while. And what developed out

525
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: of that, you know, the toughness, just knowing who to

526
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: get the ball to in just a different way. But

527
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: back then, man, no one worked on their game. You know,

528
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: if you were the guy who worked on your shooting,

529
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: you did that kind of by yourself. But it was

530
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: always about pick up and then and in the summer,

531
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: it was about what camp are you going to? And

532
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: I think part of the evolution of players like Steph

533
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: Curry in this generation is everything is organized for them.

534
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: They play in structured environments, training, training, having a trainer,

535
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: having a skill instructor, like shooting, shooting, shooting. It's become

536
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: the cool thing. Like I couldn't find a pickup game

537
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: in Tucson, Arizona, duck if I if I spent the

538
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: next six days trying to find one, you know, it

539
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: just doesn't exist. And it's changed so much from that.

540
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: I talked to the Van Gundy's about it, and sometimes

541
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: I think you crave a little bit more of that

542
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: shirt skins pickup games because what it developed is that

543
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: competitive spirit and sometimes the score doesn't matter as much

544
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: to these guys, not all of them, but you know,

545
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: and it's where Kevin Durant, he's boring to watch. He's

546
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: so good, I mean, he just he doesn't miss, like

547
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: he's six eleven and it's like back then, if you

548
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: were six and eleven, he was like Charles Smith and

549
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: Cliff Robinson, both unreal players. But today they would be

550
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant because I think how they would have grown up.

551
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: They would have grown up different than maybe they did.

552
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: So I have have a twelve year old son, and

553
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: so he plays thirteens and twelves. He's little, you're gonna

554
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: grow late. I hope he grows at all. But I

555
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: I kind of try. I organically do the pickup thing

556
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: because you can't find pickup basketball where I just He'll

557
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: play like eight in a weekend right at these au deals.

558
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: So they'll play with two teams and like people like,

559
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: well that's crazy. You haven't played like two teams and

560
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: four games a team, Like, dude, what did you do

561
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: when you were a kid. My dad take me into

562
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: Mile Square Park and found Valley, California. Give me five dollars.

563
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: He get me into the first game. Make sure that

564
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: like nobody would take my game, right, like, you have

565
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: to call game and there'll be five guys waiting. And

566
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: I had to get the fifth game because I couldn't

567
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: get in any other game. So you wait with me.

568
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: I get in the game and they'd be like, all right,

569
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 1: I'll pick you up later. You know, maybe you call

570
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: collect and hang up, you know, to get him to

571
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: pick up. And so you just play all day until

572
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: he felt like coming back and picking me up, and

573
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: you're right, like you can't do it. And so there

574
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: is there is a lot of situational stuff that they

575
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: don't have, right, they don't know, like because you know,

576
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: if it's if you're going to seven and it's six

577
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: in this game, point all right, stop messing around, like

578
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: let's go to our best, our big guy inside, and

579
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: they'll keep calling a foul until eventually you get a bucket.

580
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: Right Like that type of those type of game and

581
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: situational awareness and understanding the score. I think those things

582
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: are are missing because like even with my son, how

583
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: about it. How about if you're playing and you're on

584
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: a good team, older players, and you take a bad

585
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: shot and you lose the game, you know what I mean?

586
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: One of those deals where like your your dad, my dad,

587
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,239
Speaker 1: he's watching pick up games at nine o'clock at night

588
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: on the courts and you're screwing around and you're not

589
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: playing well. Next thing, you know, it's like you're asked

590
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: off the court like you're not allowed to play anymore.

591
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: You you don't. There was a pressure to play pick

592
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: up and play well. And if you ever got into

593
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: situations where the games were really good with good players,

594
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: older players, they taught you how to play your bad shots.

595
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: You weren't allowed, you know, things like that. Did you

596
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: ever see Lorenzo You saw Lorenzo Romar play a lot, right,

597
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 1: and Lorenzo was you know, he was with us at

598
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: Arizona and uh, you know, he's the greatest guy in

599
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: the world. But he would talk a lot about that,

600
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, in l A. Growing up, when he grew

601
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: up with pickup games meant how he learned how to play.

602
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: And you know who was on the court with him.

603
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: And then, you know, I'm jealous of what they have

604
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: at U C. L A. You know, the legendary pickup

605
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: games that have been going on for you know what

606
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm dealt tell you. Honestly, they used to suck.

607
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: The best game. Magic would come and he would call

608
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: it was not fun after because he called every he

609
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: had to win every game. He's magic, so he had

610
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: to win every game. You're like, oh jeez, but it

611
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: was it was real. I'll say so, so my my,

612
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: the big childhood game that I got when I was

613
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: in high school, I finally got to play in Scotty

614
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: Brooks uh uh, Johnny Rodgers, Todd Thornton, the u C

615
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: Irvine guys. Okay, so you see Irvine used to have

616
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: dudes like they had Kevin McGee. They had guys that

617
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: need to play professionally, played overseas and they could never

618
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: beat UNLV to make the tournament. But Scotty was like,

619
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he averaged like twenty four game and in

620
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: his senior year in college. And so even when they

621
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: played professionally, they would come back and there's a gym

622
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: it's now pacifica Christian which is a high school, and

623
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: they got good players. And West Newport they played there,

624
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: or they play at the Crondin mar Boys Boys Club,

625
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: or they play at Los Cabrires which has two full

626
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: length NBA courts. And and if you got in the game,

627
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: like it was great. So the story and he told

628
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: us on my pod, which is my dad came down

629
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: one time and he was like watching and he like

630
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: stopped the game to like tell me something. And Scotty

631
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: got so fucking piste that he hit like the next,

632
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: like the next six shots on me and told me

633
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: to get the funk off the court and tell my

634
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: dad to get the funk out of his gym. And

635
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: I was like, but but aren't you're you're because my

636
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: dad's like trying to coach her and to pick up

637
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: that's exactly right, right, But aren't you're right? Like you

638
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: if I play with those guys, right you you're like,

639
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: oh shit, if I missed this shot, And yeah, there

640
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: was there was pressure you if you made a couple,

641
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 1: you belonged. If you sucked, I mean at the end

642
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: of the day, you felt bad the rest of the day,

643
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: the week. But like growing up playing I mean that

644
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: that was that was the thing, and uh, you know,

645
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: in particular, learning how to play with guys around you

646
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: that kind of could get on you and things like that.

647
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: I mean, those games don't really happen anymore, Sean you

648
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: let your assistant coaches make subs. Was that was? That?

649
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: Was that? Always? The thing? Was that the last ten years,

650
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: like how when did that start? You know? And I've

651
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: never done it differently seventeen years. I don't think they

652
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: necessarily liked it. Doug because you know, the players are

653
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: kind of like nothing worse right when they come out

654
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: of the game and they give you that look. You know,

655
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: they kind of bypassed me and said, coached is good.

656
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's the assistant coach. You just took me out.

657
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: So I unnecessarily put a lot of heat on them.

658
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: But it's my way. I never did it a different

659
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: way because you know, I wanted to always be engaged

660
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: in the actual game itself. And uh, and it wasn't

661
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: like sometimes I didn't say, hey, get him out or

662
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: say myself late in the game. You know, I I

663
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: would say I probably had total control. But you're right,

664
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: for the most part, I did that. And uh, if

665
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: you'd say why, you know, I think the one thing

666
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: about being a coach, um, you gotta be yourself, man,

667
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: And you know what works for him doesn't necessarily mean

668
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: that it it's gonna work for me. You have to

669
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: kind of coach to your personality. You learned that at

670
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: some point and that was probably a good thing that

671
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: I did, because did somebody give you that idea? I

672
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: just I kind of went with it from day one. Yeah,

673
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: I would you ever let listen, did you let your

674
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: assistant coaches make up. You know, Doug, I tried the

675
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: same philosophy, and um I used to get so pissed.

676
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: I used to tell the assistant I got it from

677
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: here at some point every church half, it's it's done,

678
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: like I got it. Don't worry about it because you

679
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: know how it is. Anything that's going on in the game, well,

680
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 1: you feel good about the minute you make a substitution,

681
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: team goes on a run. You look at the coach

682
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: you put the guys in, You're like, why didn't you

683
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: just let him ride it out? We were going well,

684
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: so we bagged that. We bagged that for a while

685
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: and started just going you know, to be honest with feel.

686
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: But you talked about the rotation with your status a lot.

687
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: It's talked over kind of before the game. I'm gonna

688
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: tell you this to anybody that's worked with me, all

689
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: the assistant just none of them liked the fact that

690
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: I didn't one time one game the current head coach,

691
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: James Whitford at Ball State we're in Arizona, was our

692
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: second year and James used to have the first half

693
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: media time out steen twelve ten. However, the two minute

694
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: for minute breakdown he would have the list of the

695
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: names on the card and when the guys figured out

696
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: after a while, James was running a substitution pattern. He'd

697
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: have a card and I'll never forget Kevin Perem playing

698
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: well one game in the kale and maybe it made

699
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: a couple of threes were on a run and James

700
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: went with the card. You know, James was gonna do

701
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: what the card said. And the minute he made that

702
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: substitution and we came to the huddle, I swear Kevin

703
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: Perem reached over top of the about six people and

704
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: tried to snatch the card out of this end of

705
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: the game, and he was giving the card with one

706
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: of those deals. But uh, yeah, it's funny. Um, okay,

707
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: I'll give you mine and then I want yours because

708
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: I like, I don't want the cliche stuff to me.

709
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: But I got a chance to coach a team in Israel,

710
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: the Maccabi games like the Jewish Olympics, right, and um,

711
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: my favorite part of coaching is when you practice something

712
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: like situational and a play and then you execute it

713
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: and then the ball goes in and then they look

714
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: at you like you're a genius. Right because you told

715
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: him like this is what's gonna happen. This is the

716
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: coverage run, the play running at eight okay, and then

717
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna shoot at it too, and the ball is

718
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: going to go in the basket. And so I'll never forget.

719
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: This is like my my first like game coaching kind

720
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: of adult men. Were playing the Israeli national team and

721
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: a friendly and we're at first, We're down like eighteen.

722
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: Nothing started the game, and I'm thinking to myself, I

723
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: have no idea what I'm doing, like I'm you know,

724
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: like talking about all these coaches like I know what

725
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm doing, and I'm a clown and clueless, and we

726
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: we made it competitive or whatever. Um. But we ran

727
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: a play at the end of like the third quarter

728
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: and it was perfectly executed, a little hammer action off

729
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: a weave at the timing the personnel, everybody's in the

730
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: right spot, and the ball goes in the basket. And

731
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: I remember getting on the bus afterwards thinking like that's

732
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: that was That was the best thing. Like the other

733
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: stuff that I love, the interaction with the guys, and

734
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: as you pointed out, Arch like being part of a

735
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: team is amazing and when you don't have it, it's

736
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: an empty feeling. But to me, if I was truly asked,

737
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: my favorite thing about it, it's the you come up

738
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: with an idea, you come up with a play, you

739
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: have the right personnel, you run it in practice, you

740
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: have the timing of it, you have the situational and

741
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: then it goes in and there's a lot a lot

742
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: of buying because how coach drew up something perfect at

743
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: the right time. I ask you, mis w Arch, your

744
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: truly favorite thing about coaching. I think that the most

745
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: fun thing about coaching is just for me is to

746
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: be able to put the plan together early. You spend

747
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: months doing it. How are you going to play? What

748
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna do for certain guys, how's your defense gonna look?

749
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: And then as you get started through the early parts

750
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: of watching it one way and then watching it grow

751
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: as the season goes, and then ultimately watch it over

752
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: the course of the season be your way of life,

753
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: your way of winning. And to me, to fight every

754
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: day to watch practice seed like you said, the play system,

755
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 1: your offense them sharing the ball, but defensively, watching your

756
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: your evolution of execution. I think watching the plan go

757
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: in and then working it to death as you as

758
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: you grow a team and then watching you win, having

759
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: a team you know, have a great season and the

760
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: end of the day, watch how it was put together

761
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: at the beginning. That that one and uh, you know,

762
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: I think that's a that's a that's a probably a

763
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: general deal. But to me, the execution of what you

764
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: believe in and um, watching it in practice every single day,

765
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: watching the practice film over and over again. Spend a

766
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: lot more time kind of enjoying that actually than even

767
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: watching the games. Sometimes really to two things, Doug, I

768
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: think one is just watching an individual player come in,

769
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: make the decision to choose Arizona, develop, and then leave

770
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: and become a part of the NBA or go on

771
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: like Kyle Fog is an example of somebody who's not

772
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: playing him, but you know Kyle where he came from,

773
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: where he started and then played, developed, the bought in,

774
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: became a leader, went from like a young person to

775
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: a grown man and is you know right now one

776
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: of the the highest paid players in China and set

777
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: for life and it's just you know, you know, you're

778
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: you're so proud even described the story. But that's definitely

779
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: number one and number two or one B for me

780
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: is I think the hardest thing in sports is in

781
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: college basketball to win on the road. It just especially

782
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: if the road means a hostile environment, a conference game

783
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: like at u c l A. If you're at Arizona,

784
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: you know, going to play in a crosstown shootout, play

785
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: at Cincinnati, if you're a Xavier and leading that game,

786
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you feel like like you just were in

787
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: battle together, right, Coaches, players, how it feels in the

788
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: locker room, This stupid grimy pizza on the bus, like

789
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: you know, riding back, you know, you could eat the

790
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: whole damn thing, and sometimes I did, by the way,

791
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,479
Speaker 1: you know, But it's just better than sex. It's better

792
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: than sex. Road wind is better than I'll tell you why, Okay,

793
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: because you can't go around talking about sex with your

794
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: wife or you know, to other people. You can't go

795
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: around bragging about it. But a road went and then

796
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: you don't walk into a place and people like, remember

797
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: when you go went Cincinnati in that Crosstown game, nobody

798
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: will you don't walk in and people go like, remember

799
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: that time you and your wife went all that or

800
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: you and that girl went. A road win is better

801
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: than sex. I truly believe that it's an amazing. It's

802
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: certainly an amazing feeling. Man I. I uh, it's some

803
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 1: Pick one, even when you're tied together, pick pick one

804
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: in your mind. One road win that just when when

805
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: you close your eyes, doesn't have to be the best.

806
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: Just one that's vivid. Men. There's a lot of them, Uh,

807
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: you know that stamp. The one for me most recently

808
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: is you know, a few years ago we had Lowry

809
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: market in and we had a younger group. Alonso Trier

810
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 1: had sat out UM and he was the first game

811
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: that he was allowed to play after. I think sixteen

812
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: games is big game. You see, l A had Lonzo Ball,

813
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: and in that group, they were very highly ranked, I

814
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: mean from an offensive perspective, and they were as good

815
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: of an offensive team as I that I have seen.

816
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 1: And just watching a Lonzo play for the Bulls now

817
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: like that, I always envisioned him leaving college and being

818
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: a great NBA point guard because I've never really saw

819
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: somebody who played the style he played, who who was

820
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: able to play that fast and make plays at that speed.

821
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: You know, everybody was playing at this break. Next Beat

822
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: and Pactiles TV. And we went in there and we

823
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: beat them. Uh, and then just the Arizona u c

824
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: L a rivalry. You know that those rivalry games are

825
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: ones that you hold on too, I'm sure, Doug, Oklahoma

826
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: State Oklahoma, you know you you remember that, remember how

827
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: it felt and if you could win on the road there,

828
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: that's one that sticks with you. But at Xavier, we

829
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: we used to call them road kills and we were

830
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: we were so you know, back then we had that

831
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: chip on our shoulder constantly because we were still in

832
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: the Atlantic ten and the nonconference season that was big

833
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: to us. And if we could beat anybody from a

834
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: Power five conference on the road, like we would bring

835
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: something back from the locker room. Or you know, I

836
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: remember even a guy like cut grass like we're a

837
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: football TV know we cut the grass on the way out.

838
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: But you know what, it became a sense of a

839
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: source of pride. And again, unless you've done it, it's

840
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: hard to explain, but if you have done it, this

841
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 1: conversation will resonate because it's what makes college sports so

842
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: so fun. And last night Arch and I talked on

843
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: our podcast about it. Like I have a soft spot

844
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: for the Pac twelve, Doug, I really do like the

845
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: players that I have coached against and have had at

846
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 1: Arizona during the twelve years, and that's a long time.

847
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: When I came into the pack, it was the PAC ten,

848
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: not not the PAC twelve. And going all twelve years,

849
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: the players like, just look at the Chicago Bulls right now.

850
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if Lowry Marketing was still in Chicago Bulls,

851
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: they may have a starting five from the Pack twelve

852
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: every game. It's almost impossible to watch an NBA game

853
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: and not see somebody that played in the PAC twelve.

854
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: But I just never felt like we got the credit

855
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: we deserved, you know. And I was so happy that

856
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: everybody did so well in last year's n c Double

857
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: A Tournament. But the thing that's different here is, you know,

858
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: other than Arizona and there, I'm not u c l

859
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: A's u c l A. And and there's always those

860
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: that have big crowds. Oregans got it going. But for

861
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: the most part, I look at the home attendance here

862
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: in November, at some of the opening night. I mean,

863
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: Oregon State a year ago was in the Elite eight.

864
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: It's the first game with fans allowed, and you know,

865
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 1: they drew. I think, you know, SC historically, I don't

866
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: know if SC has ever had a better run in

867
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: college basketball than what Andy Gainfield has done. And they

868
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: have great team this year, Like they're really good. They're

869
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: coming off of an Elite eight, but I don't care

870
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: who they play. Like there's two different fan bases. There's

871
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: the fan base that comes to watch you, and then

872
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: there's the fan base who comes to watch maybe the

873
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: big game that you play, and there's just I wish

874
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: that the attendance could grow because I think it it helps.

875
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: It's tough when you're building a program like cal Is

876
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: Mark Fox. He's building it and he's working in Marks

877
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: a terrific coach. But when you're playing these fifty fifty games,

878
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: are you're playing these nonconference games to build your program,

879
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: you're playing in front of three like and I think

880
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: that if if you added that element to the Pact twelve,

881
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: I think that things would really be given the respect

882
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: that that it deserves. I don't know what to do

883
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: about it, but the coaches, the talent, the teams. Let

884
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: me tell you, man, like U C. L A and

885
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 1: Oregon this year, Doug, you don't want to see them

886
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: show up in your bracket in March. No, no, listen,

887
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: And I know you guys, gotta go and I want

888
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: Archer's favorite road win. But it's a it's a perfect point. Like. Look,

889
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: I played in front of team at Oklahoma State when

890
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: that place was small, okay, and there were plenty of

891
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: those guarantee games or the early games where you know,

892
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: in a neutral site could have gone either way because

893
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: we're still subbing and figuring out. But you had no

894
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: fucking chance being a Gallagher, you had no chance, right,

895
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: And that's there's other things that have changed at Stanford,

896
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: but Stanford used to be arguably the best environment in

897
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: the West Coast before you before you got you know,

898
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: and and and you dubbed heck ed when that that

899
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: place used to be. Now, they used to have better players, right,

900
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: but they kind of they do kind of work together, right,

901
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: And that kind of goes back to the Xavier thing.

902
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: It's not just the support of the school. It's also

903
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: that anytime you turn on the light and you say,

904
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: there's a Xavier basketball game, and doesn't even have to

905
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: be in Cincinnati, right, or a Dayton game, right, all

906
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: those all those tournaments. I remember, you're in Puerto Rico,

907
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: if Dayton or Xavier, their fans are there. If you're

908
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: in Tim buck two. Their fans are there. That's the difference.

909
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: That's that's that mark is so important. Yeah, I mean

910
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's one of the reasons that Dayton

911
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: is so special. I mean, you did arena for an

912
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: exhibition game. It's gonna be five hundred. That's an exhibition game.

913
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: And I mean you start to move into the conference

914
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: or channel. The first four game. Okay, now, allowed est

915
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: that's that might be the best environment. And I've been

916
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: some good like New Mexico when it's when it's going

917
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: as real and Arizona when it's going as real. The

918
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: but that game, that first four game, it was like

919
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: I was looking around, going, there's no fucking chance or

920
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: losing this game, and you know, sure enough comes down

921
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: to one play and you guys get a stop and

922
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: you that that was It was like amazing, Like I

923
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: literally it was right. It was a numb feeling when

924
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: the crowd at the end of the game, when the

925
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: buzzer finally went off in that arena, it was almost

926
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: surreal that we were playing the game anyway seeded, but

927
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: to play in you the arena and the NS tournament

928
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: and have it come down to the last play of

929
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: the game, the place, but I've never been in a

930
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: place quite like that. And I don't think anybody sat

931
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: down for forty minutes. No, I was standing up at

932
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 1: the end of the game. I was it was not okay,

933
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: your favorite your favorite road dub for you guys, it's

934
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: there's two been at two places. But my first year

935
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: as a head coach going into dat and it was

936
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: all about, you know, trying to get better in the

937
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: Atlantic tent. We we got to do better in the

938
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: Atlanta or nonconference schedule. You do smart things, you know,

939
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: but we have to win more games. And part of

940
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: the Atlantic ten as you have to go into Philadelphia

941
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: and win. You have to Dayton coming from the Midwest,

942
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: you have to find a way to land in Philadelphia

943
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: International Airport. At the time, get off drive, been to

944
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: Philly and get ready to go play the Philly schools.

945
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: And at that time, Temple had one about twenty I

946
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: don't know how many in a row, thirty in a

947
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: row at Temple. They had just beaten Duke maybe a

948
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: few nights prior to that in the Garden or whatever.

949
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: They took the subway over to the game and beat

950
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: Duke in Philly, and uh, we were playing Temple at

951
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: Temple on a Saturday afternoon my first year as a

952
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: head coach, and we beat them in Temple. We broke

953
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: their home winning streak, and I'll never forget like getting

954
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: a bunch of calls after the game, like, how the

955
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: hell did you do that? I mean, nobody goes into

956
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: Temple and wins at that time, Dayton hadn't one in

957
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: Temple in a long time. That was a good one.

958
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: And then at Indiana and we went college game night

959
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: at Michigan State and one in Breslin. And if you

960
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: can ever play against Tomas those teams and win by

961
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: one point at any point in time, it's something you remember.

962
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: But the team we had was struggling at the time

963
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: and we were going in It felt like we were

964
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: going in for the kill. I mean they were, they

965
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: were ready, and guys competed and we ended up winning

966
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: an overtime in Breslin on game day and uh, those guys.

967
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: I remember the locker m after the game is one

968
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: of the best feelings in the world, was to win

969
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: in Breslin. And Doug, I'll leave you on this this

970
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: note here. Um, I know we're wrapping up, but you know,

971
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: it's part of the rise of Gonzaga. You know. One

972
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: of the things that's helped them is they have an

973
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: amazing home court, right and it rivals the best of

974
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: the best. And simultaneous between that, there are some others

975
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: that have really good teams and and pros on their teams,

976
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: but if you go watch them play, you don't get

977
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: that that energy, that passion at student section and and

978
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: you're right, it all fits together, because trust me, there's

979
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: nobody growing up working to be a college basketball player

980
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: that dreams are playing in front of a half packed house.

981
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: It just doesn't. It's like you don't here in your

982
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: backyard and back in the day, like I shoveled the

983
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: snow off and you're shooting, I wasn't envisioning going, let

984
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: me go there. So there's six thousand, No I want

985
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: to go play in front of fourteen thousand five. I think.

986
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: I think that's why guys, you know, Foggy is. I

987
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: think guys that play at these programs like that, that's all.

988
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: I think some of them struggle overseats. You know, we're

989
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: struggling the struggling the G League because like all of

990
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: a sudden, you walk out, you're like just like like

991
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm so used to a packed house. All Right, the

992
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: podcast is called next Play. You guys are awesome. I

993
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: can't wait to hear the next one. Thank you so

994
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: much for your time. I'd be honored if we could

995
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: do it again. But the meantime, have a great day,

996
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for going. Don't call me anytime.

997
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything. I'm gonna do it. You're gonna imagine,

998
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: enjoy that. Enjoy that villanovu c L A game that's

999
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: gonna be a hell of a game, big good one.

1000
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: I'll report backs. Alright. It was a right and and

1001
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: full disclosure. We kind of had to cut at the

1002
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: end because I don't know want of the two had

1003
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: an appointment and they had to go. We'll do it

1004
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: again sometime in the meantime. Like all these guys that

1005
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: come on, they all have their own pod, Like there's

1006
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: there's plenty of food at the table. All right, you

1007
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: want to download that one, great, I hope you just

1008
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: download mine, because, uh, this is this is the most

1009
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: fun that I have in what I do always is

1010
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: is in um talking to people and getting to know

1011
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: their story and getting to know what they were like

1012
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: where they grew up playing, how they kind of matriculated,

1013
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: if you will, through the system. And those are two

1014
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: guys that have been crazy, crazy successful, and I'm sure

1015
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: next play is they're gonna have a coaching job very

1016
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: very soon. So I don't know. I truly enjoyed it,

1017
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: and I hope you did too. Reminded. The Doug Outlet

1018
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: Show is daily three to six Eastern twelve for Pacific

1019
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: on I Heart Radio. I have radio app Fox Sports Radio,

1020
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot Com, and of course, um you

1021
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: can also downloaded podcast form talk all sports, not just basketball,

1022
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: and I would hope that you would download, subscribe, and

1023
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: rate this one. Don't be afraid to write a review. Um,

1024
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: that was that was awesome. I am going to the

1025
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: u C l A B and Ova game. We will

1026
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: do a podcast after it. I may include my son

1027
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: Hayes on I get his analysis of that game. I

1028
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: think that's that should be a thing, right like where

1029
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: you get a postgame pod. Maybe I should have done it. Um,

1030
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: I will a little a couple of college basketball thoughts.

1031
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: I got the chance to see Colorado State and Nico

1032
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: Medbed's gonna be on with us next week. They're picked

1033
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: to win the Mountain West and man, what I saw

1034
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: from john Ton Jay was he had a career high

1035
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: thirty points, but in research and getting ready for the game.

1036
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: He grew up in Omaha. His dad's from camera and

1037
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: his mom um his mom is a I think a

1038
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: pastor in Omaha, and he played soccer. When he was

1039
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: a freshman in high school. He was on the B team,

1040
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: a B team, and now you know, you fast forward

1041
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: and he had limited scholarship offers, ends up going to

1042
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: Colorado State, gets in the best shape of his life,

1043
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: and now only with a year under his belt, he

1044
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: just has exploded. I don't know if that's what his

1045
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: game will look like. But in talking with you know,

1046
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: Sean and with Archie and you talk about bringing in

1047
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: boys and having them come out as men. Um, that's

1048
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: a perfect example. And we'll talk with Nico about it

1049
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: next week. The Kyle Fogg story, we'll get Foggy on sometime.

1050
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: He's an amazing guy, Kyle Fogg. Here's how much of

1051
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: a baller he is, right, Remember, makes seven figures playing overseas.

1052
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: I was playing in a men's league with a bunch

1053
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 1: of guys that are assistants now in the NBA one

1054
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: that's at GM now uh in the in the G league. Um,

1055
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: and I mean it was like it was a joke team,

1056
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: Like we were so good and I was far and

1057
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: away the worst player. And it was all guys that

1058
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: had played high level, played Overseas, a couple of you

1059
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: know that played in the NBA, and we're playing like

1060
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: this random men's league in Irvine, California. And I'll just

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Speaker 1: the dead giveaway is Miles Simon kind of put together

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Speaker 1: this team. And Miles is not easy to play with

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Speaker 1: because that dude wants to literally he wants to win

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Speaker 1: layup lines, ping pong, he wants to win anything. He's

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Speaker 1: he's one of the most competitive human beings I've ever met.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm super competitive. He's at a at a different

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Speaker 1: level of it. So, um, he's like fogg, He's coming today.

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Speaker 1: I was like, what now? Remember he won with Overseas

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Speaker 1: Elite and TBT and that was later on the summer.

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Speaker 1: But he literally got off the plane from China and

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Speaker 1: that afternoon he comes and we play on a Sunday

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Speaker 1: afternoon at Irvine Valley College going side wins in a

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Speaker 1: men's league, going sideways, and he dropped forty three and

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Speaker 1: and look, we're playing against good players, playing against good

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Speaker 1: college guys and some overseas guys or whatever, and he

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Speaker 1: dropped forty three and we're like, um, when when you

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Speaker 1: get in he was like, I got in like seven

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Speaker 1: this morning from China. I'm exhausted. And then like all right,

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Speaker 1: let's go and let's go ahead and get somebody eat

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Speaker 1: and uh and go do something. It was like, it

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Speaker 1: was amazing. That guy is the perfect example of somebody

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Speaker 1: who's gotten better and better and better and better. And

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Speaker 1: you know he's gonna play basketball, so he doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to play basketball. And then if you don't want to

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Speaker 1: do anything, you don't have to do anything. I probably

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Speaker 1: want to coach, you know, or being the business really

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Speaker 1: bright guy, and um that it's the epitome of of

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Speaker 1: that growth that I think so many in basketball truly

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Speaker 1: truly love, truly love. Well. Anyway, I appreciate you listening.

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Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun. Those guys awesome. And

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes you know, your perception of people changes

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Speaker 1: when you hear about them, about the relationship with their brother,

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Speaker 1: about what they're doing. You know, being fired humbles anything.

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Speaker 1: I've lost jobs before as well, like it. You should

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Speaker 1: have time to reflect and I can't wait to hear

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Speaker 1: more of their pods. Hopefully we'll get them back on

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Speaker 1: during season. I want to get them on individually, probe

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Speaker 1: through their stories. And if you have suggestions, I've gotten

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Speaker 1: so many. My my inboxes flooded. I know so many

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Speaker 1: basketball coaches. I had one who's listening, who's like, man,

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Speaker 1: I go on the road recruiting. I'm in the Southeast,

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Speaker 1: I'm in them the middle of nowhere. I throw in

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Speaker 1: the All Ball pod and it's good stuff. So um,

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Speaker 1: I hope you like it. And if you have a suggestion,

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Speaker 1: hit me on texts. If you've got my number, hit

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Speaker 1: me on d M and we'll put them on. We

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Speaker 1: have a good list of people and we're gonna keep

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Speaker 1: pumping these things out and we appreciate you downloading and listening,

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Speaker 1: and thank you so much. I'm Doug got the business.

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Speaker 1: All Ball