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Speaker 2: Jay Shetty. Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the

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Speaker 2: number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each

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Speaker 2: fascinated about speaking to people from different backgrounds, different walks

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Speaker 2: and only Aril Emmanuel, chief executive officer of Endeavor, a

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Speaker 2: of podcasts. We're very lucky. Please welcome to the show

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Speaker 2: and on purpose. Ariel Emmanuel ari thank you for being here,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Yeah, you've had quite the

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Speaker 1: what it was in ninety seven ninety eight night. And

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Speaker 1: let me just say something that guy was not. I mean,

433
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Speaker 1: he was a good guy, but he was always on

434
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Speaker 1: the field and he was a shame nervous, angry fighter.

435
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Speaker 1: Not that I'm not aspects of those things, working on them,

436
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, that changes.

437
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 2: It's and when they come into your relationship, they have

438
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 2: all this now, they can read everything, see everything and like, oh,

439
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 2: that's the guy, yeah or not. That's why I'm doing this, dude.

440
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 2: I'm just a gentle, nice hugging. Well, no, I I

441
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 2: the reason why I always enjoy these conversations is because

442
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,439
Speaker 2: I think I struggle with that in perception too, where

443
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 2: I feel people believe that someone who is mindful or

444
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,120
Speaker 2: meditative has to be a certain way at all times.

445
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: Do you know when you're on the field. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

446
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 2: And that's why I love that piece of advice is

447
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,239
Speaker 2: that you you said it in a way that I

448
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 2: think makes it so easy to think about. And that's

449
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 2: why I really appreciate it. And that's exactly what it

450
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 2: is for me, Like, and my team knows that they

451
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 2: can see that when I'm in the zone and I'm

452
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 2: not or where I'm winning my home kid or away

453
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 2: kit like however you put it, Like, yes, I totally

454
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Speaker 2: like that kid. Yeah howay JZ right, Like and I

455
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,199
Speaker 2: can feel that and I think that you have to

456
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 2: know that. But I think the idea is that we

457
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Speaker 2: like to simplify people because it makes it easier.

458
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: For us if you're going after the stack and that's

459
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 1: the goal, right, which is like crazy, Like I agree,

460
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: it's so arbitrary, the stack. You're always on the field.

461
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

462
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 1: What you don't realize is you can be happy at

463
00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: whatever the level.

464
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 2: Of the stack is. Yeah, there's just a different way to

465
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Speaker 2: think about it, and you will get to a very

466
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Speaker 2: big stack by figuring out this first. If when you're

467
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 2: on the field, when you're off the field, absolutely, and

468
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 2: I think that's the difference. I wanted to ask you

469
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Speaker 2: the difference in success and happiness or success and contentment,

470
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Speaker 2: because you've it sounds like you've worked on both and

471
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 2: tried to be conscious of both. How have you seen

472
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: the difference and how do you work on I was.

473
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Speaker 1: Never content before probably the first twenty years of business.

474
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Speaker 1: I mean I was just I was going to prove

475
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 1: everybody wrong. I was going to prove to myself I

476
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: wasn't stupid, and I was just running hard. When I

477
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: say this word, that doesn't mean that I'm not in business.

478
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm content and all the things I thought about that

479
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Speaker 1: I wanted to accomplish and how I saw the world

480
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: kind of played out. I'm a really lucky guy. I'm

481
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Speaker 1: comfortable that I'm not stupid, and I got a lot

482
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Speaker 1: more I want to accomplish because I want to accomplish it,

483
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,479
Speaker 1: not to get the stack any bigger, and I'm happy

484
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: doing that. That's a completely different place from the first

485
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Speaker 1: twenty years where I had no idea.

486
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: I just.

487
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: I thought about the stack and what success was in

488
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: such a different way than I think about it now.

489
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Speaker 2: And do you think everyone there's that brilliant quote from

490
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 2: Jim Carrey where he said that everyone should become rich

491
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Speaker 2: and famous and achieve everything they ever wanted, just to

492
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 2: realize that it's not the point. Do you think that

493
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 2: there was some I had that Yeah, yeah, that's genius. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

494
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 2: I love that statement because I feel like this there's

495
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 2: something about pursuing success as you see it, which may

496
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 2: not be a perfect definition, experiencing some success then going wall,

497
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: wait a minute, this wasn't it. And I feel like,

498
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,239
Speaker 2: because you always hear successful people say oh it isn't there,

499
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: but it's almost like I think, oh, I'm happy where

500
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Speaker 2: I am. Yeah, I'm really I'm so glad that it

501
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,719
Speaker 2: played out. Those statements are actually accurate, you know, like

502
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: it's enabled me now to kind of when I started

503
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 2: this twelve years or whatever, yeah, to get to this place.

504
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I would have ever gotten to it. Yeah,

505
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: with a different mindset. Yeah. Yeah. And in ninety five

506
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: you had a big accident, right like there was something

507
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 2: that it was ninety It was ninety three, ninety three.

508
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: I was working at ICM. There was a breakfast place

509
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: called Cape Mandalini's. It was walking down Whilsher. It was

510
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: about three blocks away coming back, and I and just

511
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: sitting on the curb. I said to myself, I was

512
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: going to the breakfast, like, wow, you know I got

513
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: to move back from this curve.

514
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 2: These cars could hit you. And I was not in

515
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Speaker 2: the street.

516
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Speaker 1: Cut to I'm walking back from breakfast in the crosswalk

517
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Speaker 1: right outside of where the ICM building was, and a

518
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: flatbed truck didn't see me, took a left on to

519
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: Wilshire hit my left side. Nine o'clock in the morning, Friday.

520
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: Guess what happens? Your life changes you like life not

521
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: address rehearsal.

522
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Speaker 2: I was laying in there.

523
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: I just wiggled my fingers and toes, I said, okay,

524
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm not crippled, kind of. I was outside my body screaming.

525
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: I was laying there watching myself scream, and then I

526
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: just set myself Life's not address rehearsal. I did a

527
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: rehab because I couldn't bend my leg, and then I

528
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: did a surgery on my leg. And then I did

529
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 1: another rehab, so that was eighteen months of hell. And

530
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: then I said what do you want to do? And

531
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: I definitely didn't want to be at ICM.

532
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: You know.

533
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: Was what was the phrase I used to hear when

534
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: I was at ICM back and anything. It was like

535
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: I cover myself. That's what it stood for.

536
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: So there was.

537
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: No camaraderie culture or anything.

538
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: And so.

539
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: Me and three other guys decided to start when I

540
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: could be healthy, and we kind of get it in

541
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: ninety five, on my birthday March twenty ninth, we let

542
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: loose so and that that was the catalyst to say,

543
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: why it's not a dress rehearsal you but to get

544
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: to what you want to get to. And that kind

545
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: of thesis is at the twenty year mark, change in

546
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 1: how I look at life? And am I still going

547
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: to be that angry guy? And you know all the

548
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: different routes we all taken our lives to get to

549
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: where the end is.

550
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 2: So, yeah, did you try and change aspects of the

551
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 2: coach based on that statement that you built or did

552
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 2: you find that I.

553
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 1: Just wanted to treat people well, you know inside and

554
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: share clients and communicate better and there's a guy named

555
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: Phil Raskin the first employee, and they fired him. In

556
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 1: the Israeli Army. You don't let anybody stay, you know,

557
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: you take you go, get the bodies.

558
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: I said, you're hired now.

559
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: We had no money, we're not making any money. And

560
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: I said, we're hiring you if they're firing you. And

561
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: how we treat people was kind of the crucial thing

562
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: different about how we did things. I think one of

563
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: them and I think it's progressed. I don't know if

564
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: it's perfect now. You'll have to ask the guys running

565
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: the agency right now. But I think overall, I hope

566
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: people feel that way.

567
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: What was it like building something from scratch when there

568
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: wasn't any money, Because I feel like it's easy to

569
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: look at you now and ever you know, it's well

570
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: it was two years, yeah, and no salary because you're

571
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 2: out on your own.

572
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: There's well, we were being we were we were in

573
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: a tussle with ICM over commissions and because we couldn't

574
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: take the commissions because they say they deserved it, because

575
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: we're in a content this whole like, and they were

576
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: going to sue us for certain things, and and so

577
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: we had no money. I mean we knew things. We

578
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: had money, but a lot of stuff was old stuff.

579
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: About a year and a half, two years in we settled.

580
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: I might be getting dates wrong, but right around then

581
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: and then we had money.

582
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: And and in that period of time the world changed.

583
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: Mike Olvias left the business who was the god and

584
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: Ron Meyer, Bill Haber and then Gavin Palone left this

585
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: company UTA, and a lot of shifting happened, and we

586
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: had put on we had taken a couple people from

587
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: c A. Marty Allen and and we put on a

588
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: bunch of TV shows that were successful. And we had

589
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: money because of those, because they were going into syndication

590
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: and packages and so it was like free agency in baseball.

591
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: We have money and people are like shifting what are're doing?

592
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: And we were home. We got you know, we're just

593
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: timing and we were in the right place at the

594
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: right time.

595
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 2: What was the hottest thing you had to do in

596
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: those two years? You just had to work, you know,

597
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 2: with nobody putting the time, just putting the time, and

598
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: you were doing seventeen hour eighteen hour days. Wife was

599
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: pregnant at the time, my ex wife with our eldest

600
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: and uh keep on building and how are we going

601
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: to do it? And you know, the five of us,

602
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: I think Marty had joined and then two and a

603
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,200
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604
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,320
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605
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,200
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606
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607
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,120
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608
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609
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610
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611
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644
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,480
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Speaker 2: or former alumni or whatever it may be. And one

649
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: day a monk was invited to speak at a small

650
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: college session and some of my friends would getting a

651
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: business session. No no, no, not a business just a

652
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: general like yeah, And I was invited to go because

653
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: some of my friends were getting into meditation at the time.

654
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: This is early like we're talking about like two thousand

655
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: and six, two and seven, So we were doing that

656
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: and it was and my friends were kind of getting

657
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: into that space. So they were telling me to come along,

658
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, i'll go if we go

659
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: to a bar afterwards, like that's the kind of guy

660
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: I was growing up. And so I went along and

661
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: you weren't married at design? Oh no, I'm eighteen years old.

662
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: I'm eighteen years old. I'm you know, how to start

663
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: college around that time. And so I go to this

664
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: event and I hear this monk speak and I'm kind

665
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,239
Speaker 2: of there going Okay, when are we going to leave?

666
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: Like who cares about this stuff? Well? How does this

667
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: benefit my life? And I actually walked away feeling completely

668
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: just reflective because this monk was saying that the greatest

669
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: gift was to use your skills in the service of others.

670
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: Like he was saying that whatever you've been given, that

671
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: was his main thing, that was his main theme, to

672
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: improve other people's lives. And it was like, I'd never

673
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: heard that from anyone before at eighteen, And I realized

674
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: that when I was eighteen, I'd met people who were

675
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: rich and famous and beautiful. You thought that was a stack, Yeah,

676
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: But I was like, this is this guy seems happy,

677
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: he seems content, he has something that at what point

678
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: in the lecture did that like hit you? Because at

679
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: one point you're sitting it. Let's go get some beers. Yeah.

680
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: At the beginning, I was kind of like, Okay, what

681
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: is he going to say when he came out and

682
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: you know, he's dressed in robes and he he was

683
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: from India, and like, you know, I'm a kid in London,

684
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: Like you know, there's nothing externally attractive about him. And

685
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: then as he spoke, like as I actually listened to him,

686
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: I was just mesmerized, and so I said to him,

687
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: I just want to follow you around. So I ended

688
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: up following him around for the rest that week. He

689
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: was doing events in London homes and different things, and

690
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: then at temples. And then I started visiting him in

691
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: my summer on Christmas vacations in India, and then when

692
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: I graduated from college, I went and actually lived with

693
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: him as a month for three years in India and

694
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: the UK. And when your parents said, they were like

695
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: completely like yeah, and all of our friends and family

696
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: he's been brainwashed. It was it was like it's really

697
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: interesting because and I'll talk to this about perception. It's

698
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: really interesting because everyone now is kind of like, oh, Jay,

699
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: you just you know, this is a good story, and

700
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, when I chose to become a monk,

701
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: it was not a good story. People thought it was

702
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: the dumbest idea of all time, Like it was like

703
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: career suicide. It was poor kid, what happened? Like, what

704
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: happened to this kid who got a first class on

705
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: his degree at university? Straight a's you know, like what

706
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: is going on here? And all of a sudden, I'm

707
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: taking this part. Your parents must have freaked out. My

708
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: parents freaked out, and my extended family freaked out even more,

709
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: which made my parents freak out more. They came from India, correct,

710
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: So that upbringing and that going back that way, Oh

711
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: my god, yeah, exactly so, but I felt cooled. I

712
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: started listening to my inner voice when I was fourteen

713
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: years old, and it's been so loud ever since. I

714
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: don't know any other way to go, and so for me,

715
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: it was so so loud, And so that was the

716
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 2: shift in my trajectory where you come out After three years,

717
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 2: I hoped I'd do it forever and that I really

718
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: thought I was going to do it for the rest

719
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: of my life. It did not work out. So what

720
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: was whit? Why? A couple of things. One thing was like,

721
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: it's super tough on your health to live communally, like

722
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: when you're living potentially sometimes with thirty people in a room,

723
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: one hundred people in a room. People wake up at

724
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: different times. You're being woken up by everyone, the common cold,

725
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: you're sharing bath showers like you know, like the space

726
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: is like everything's communal in that space. It's hard on

727
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: my It was hard on my immune system to live

728
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 2: in that way. Of course, I'm a kid from London,

729
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: like I didn't grow up with lots of comforts, but

730
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: it was definitely more comfortable than a monastery. And then

731
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: on top of all of that, I just had this

732
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: honest transparency. And that's what monk teachings are meant to do.

733
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: It's meant to make you self aware, and my self awareness.

734
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 2: I'm quite independent. I'm quite a rebel, like I like

735
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: doing things my way, and I fish is not that

736
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: this is not that I feel like I want to

737
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: share what I've learned in this cool, accessible, relevant way. World. Yeah,

738
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: where the world is, which is the world I come from?

739
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: And if I stay here then I'm actually going to

740
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: be pretending to be someone I'm not. And so it's

741
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: like I'm going to go back, and you know, that's

742
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: that's that's a big that's a big thought. It was,

743
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: it was, and I had no idea what that meant then,

744
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: but I just know that it was loud, and that

745
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: it was real, and that it had happened. It had

746
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: to happen. It was you know. I think it's it's

747
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: funny your your brother said this about you. He said that,

748
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: he said this in his book Brother's Manual. The speed,

749
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: danger and risk that make other people nervous make guys

750
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: like Ari serene. And and it's and I want to

751
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: dive into that with you. But for me, that's what

752
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: it was that you didn't know where it was, but

753
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: you knew you had to be on that road. Yes,

754
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: And and I don't know how to stop myself. I

755
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: can't pretend to myself. Is where I've always been, like,

756
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: I have to be all of myself, and i'm and

757
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 2: when decisions are against the grain and no one agrees,

758
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: chances are'm on the right path. And so even when

759
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: I came back then I had the opposite where everyone

760
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: around me was like, you wasted three years. Look at

761
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: everyone around you. They've got jobs. Now what are they

762
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: saying now? Yeah, well, I mean obviously it changes now.

763
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 2: Obviously it changes now, But but it isn't, isn't it.

764
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: I had this, I sent this email out to the company.

765
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: You know, most people think success is this, Yeah, that's success,

766
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: and that you just it's your journey, yeah, and it's

767
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: just you don't know where it's still going, but it's

768
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: probably gonna go this way and it's going to go

769
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: that you know.

770
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, how how have you had the courage going back

771
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: on that same point, how have you had the courage

772
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: to be open to speed, danger and risk when other

773
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: people thought? Especially what what I think we don't recognize

774
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: is as you become more successful, as you make bigger decisions,

775
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 2: it's not that just more doors open. Sometimes there's even

776
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: more doubt because now people are like, can you can

777
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 2: you get the next one? Right? Most people don't want

778
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: to risk it all correct, once you get to something

779
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 2: like why would I risk that? Correct? Like, why do that?

780
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 2: You're it's going to be on a perfect life path.

781
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: So I've said this before in.

782
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: Certain interviews, I don't remember exactly which one. When you're

783
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: in a class and you're figuring out where to sit

784
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: in the class because you think you've psychologically figured out

785
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: if I said here, the teacher won't call on you

786
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: to read. And you're so anxious and you're so nervous,

787
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: and you're so afraid It's not like I don't get

788
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: anxious about big deals. I mean, I got really sick

789
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: doing the UFC deal, moving that I am moving to London.

790
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: Not great for four months when we took over it, right, Yeah,

791
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: so what you know, I'm not nervous about those things.

792
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It's just my upbringing, you know,

793
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: things I went through that I could get over. So

794
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: working hard, doing all the things, showing up, you know,

795
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: getting on that plane for the lunch in China and

796
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: then flying back after the lunch.

797
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: That's kind of how I operate my life.

798
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't know how what my mom fed me or

799
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: did and my dad. But yeah, I'm not worried about

800
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: the hard work and all of it takes hard work,

801
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: as you know. And I'm not trying to prove to

802
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: anybody what. I'm not letting their definition of success, not success,

803
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: what I should do, what I shouldn't do, dictate what

804
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: I want to do. Like you, I got my own

805
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: ideas about what I want to do. I just keep

806
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: on following them. Hopefully I keep on getting in tune

807
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: with my voices, definitely listening to people in my life

808
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: that I trust. But then you know, it's like Okay,

809
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: it's time to bet like we just did with WWE

810
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: and doing something new, and here's what we're going to do. Yeah,

811
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: those are not easy decisions.

812
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's really interesting because even I'm very comfortable

813
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: and the uncomfortable, I'm really comfortable, and the uncomfortable I

814
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: think when most people don't like uncomfortable conversations, don't like

815
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: to be uncomfortable, business don't like that. I do enjoy

816
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: that a lot. I like awkward. I'm comfortable and awkward.

817
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 2: I like just saying what it is. I do not care.

818
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: You can like me, not like me. I was never

819
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: one of the cool guys. I'm good. I think it

820
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 2: was so funny because Mike Milkine was sitting and you

821
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: see yesterday just here, And it was interesting because there's

822
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 2: this shared experience of there's a healed sense of self worth,

823
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: but then there's this embracing our own insignificance, like you

824
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: just said you're like, we're I'm also insignificant. And it's

825
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: really interesting because everyone who's kind of has a settled mind.

826
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: I'm not sure people get to the second one, but

827
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: not what we need to. Oh why do you think

828
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 2: we don't get there?

829
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: I've had this conversation with many people, this concept of legacy,

830
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: and once you actually believe it, not just say it.

831
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: I mean legacy. I mean presidents of legacies. Guess some

832
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: entertainers have legacy, sports stars have legacies. Business people guys, no,

833
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: they don't have legacies. And once you get to that

834
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: point and comfortable in that point, this whole concept that

835
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: what's my legacy? Which is a jerk off conversation, you

836
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: can move past a lot of this stuff.

837
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're sitting there, what's my legacy? Yeah? Yeah, it's

838
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: a bad question. It's a bad question like that, that's

839
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: why you're doing it. Yeah, I agree, Oh my god,

840
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: that's crazy. Yeah, it's I do you know what I

841
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: think it comes from. I think we never get to

842
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: embrace our own insignificance because we're scared of where it

843
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: leads to low self esteem. So there's that angle, but

844
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: definitely I don't have that, yes, exactly. But the deeper angle,

845
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: which is what you're raising, is that I think as

846
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: humans we're so addicted to immortality because at least from

847
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: a spiritual point of view, our consciousness and energy is immortal,

848
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: and there's such an addiction to immortality and longevity that

849
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: we have that for us to live after we die.

850
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: We think the art here's my fear possible because people

851
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: because I mean, I am a crazy health nut. I

852
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: mean I do some crazy stuff. Yeah, and I'm into

853
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: it too, so I'm.

854
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: Really really But for me, it's not about living forever.

855
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: It's about being healthy while I live same as long

856
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: as I am. Because I see people that are older

857
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: that are prisoners in their bodies as when they get

858
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: to their sixties, seventies, eighties, I'm not doing that. The

859
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: best thing that could happen is it's over, would be

860
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: incredible and union your sleep like it's over. But until

861
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: that point in time, I'm playing golf, I'm going on hikes,

862
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm surfing, I'm doing my thing, this whole thing about

863
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: this whole world of and I hack.

864
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: I hack myself to do that. But it's not to

865
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: live to ever. And so that's the objective. Yes, yeah, no,

866
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: I get that, and I'm totally aligned with that. I

867
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: feel the same way, like I don't think it's what's

868
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: the craziest thing you do for your health? I mean,

869
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: I've been recent because I'm still young. There's certain things

870
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: that people don't recommend yet. And so like I've been

871
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 2: talking to people about like stem cell treatments and things

872
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: like that and if you've done any stem cell therapy

873
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: or anything like that. Okay, so I haven't done any

874
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: of it either, but everyone's was like, yeah, you're too

875
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: young to start these things right now. But I'd say

876
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: the craziest thing I do right now is same as

877
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: you like the fast thing, the cold plunging, the infrared

878
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: so on, is the deep rest and sleep. The meditation

879
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 2: has been a part of my life for seventeen ages.

880
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: You got to push steel, yeah, yes, you got. You

881
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: gotta do weights. I had to stop that last year

882
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: for I had I had surgery, so I had to stop.

883
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: But yes, I usually do have to do that. You

884
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: have to do stuff for your kind of coeal two,

885
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: your oxygen, your ability. How old you know, thirty five?

886
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're right at the right if you do now,

887
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: this is the time. Yeah, you got to reduce as

888
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: much as you can your inflammation. You gotta have gut health. Yes,

889
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: this is exactly, and then you have to figure out

890
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: how to balance your glucose. If you can do those things, yep,

891
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: you have thirty five percent chance of getting to the

892
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: objective of one night you just.

893
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: Don't wake up. Yeah right, Are you plum based as well?

894
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: Or you try? Here's what it is because I'm sixty two. Okay, Wow,

895
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: So I was electing free vegan, following doctor Gundrys who

896
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: got me when I had my thigraid problem. Really healthy.

897
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: The problem is now because I do push a lot

898
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: of steel, I do do heavy cardio, I do do

899
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff. I have to have some

900
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: protein in my dial. So I have moved up to

901
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: probably very healthy you know, grass fed, grass finish, no

902
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: corn in it. All the stuff that caused inflammation. I

903
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: have moved up into probably three or four days of

904
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: meat and then the rest. Electing free vegan.

905
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the craziest therapy you've done? You mentioned earlier

906
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 2: there was some different strang I do.

907
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: I you know, I take helmets from Thailand and from

908
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: the UK every morning. I do light therapy every morning

909
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: after the cold plunge. I mean if I showed you

910
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: the list now, you'd be like, you've you've lost the plot.

911
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: Sorry, No, I love it. Here's what happens though.

912
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: As I go down all these paths, I always call

913
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 1: my brother Zeke and I only have the following question,

914
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: and then he has to do the work and I

915
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: do work too. I said, okay, can it kill me?

916
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: Can it injure me or hurt me? If the answer

917
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: comes back, now I do it. So I started on

918
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: They're you know, they're live microbes. Their microscopy can't see him.

919
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: I drink them every morning. Now I've gotten too a

920
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 1: place where I do that. I worked with this guy

921
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: from from Duke as I read an article on him,

922
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: and people are looking like, what are you doing?

923
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: Like?

924
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: And I say the great line to him and say

925
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: watch their facial expression. I said, well, they don't colonize

926
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: in your system, and you know you can see them like.

927
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: And so this goes to like, all right, I'm not lett.

928
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm just going to try these things as long as

929
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: it can't hurt me.

930
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: The list is vast. Yeah, it's great. No, it's great.

931
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: I think it's I mean, this is where, this is

932
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: where the world's heading. And I think everyone's looking for

933
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: solutions and looking for ways. So I love hearing about

934
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: it from you, and it's and it's great and it

935
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: shows right, I feel like you you seem really vibrant, energetic,

936
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: and and I think that's the key, right, it's vitality.

937
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: I think, well, but the back is not turned into

938
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: a mouse that's hunched over. Yeah yeah, yeah absolutely. Have

939
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: you ever seen those absolutely that that that that scares me? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

940
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: I will do anything that too, because then it's not

941
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 2: You're going to be a prisoner in your body. Yeah. Yeah,

942
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: that's that's that's not that's not where you want to

943
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: be in life. Yeah, talking about athletic bodies. You you

944
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: talked about what you did with the w W E there.

945
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: I remember when you first got involved with the UFC,

946
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 2: there was a lot of like doubt as to how

947
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: big it could get. I believe there was a bit

948
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 2: of skepticism. How do you how do you when you're

949
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: making a decision that's big money, big risk and danger

950
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: going back to that point. But then everyone else is like,

951
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: it's a lot of risk. This is like I don't

952
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: know if it's going to work out. But then you're like, no,

953
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: I know where this is going to go. How do you?

954
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: How have you found that the first thing that gets

955
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean the first thing that I do.

956
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm assuming you do it. Anybody successful do it?

957
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: I read a lot, and I asked a lot.

958
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: Of questions to Once I read an article, if I

959
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: understand it, don't understand it, I want I call the

960
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: person or I call the person in the article. And

961
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: that happened early on how we started the firm. You know,

962
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: we were in the representation business, and then I said,

963
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: we have all this business, I want to buy something

964
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: that we owned. I thought sports was going someplace that

965
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: with increased distribution, that was going to be more valuable.

966
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: And so it was like, there's not many sports you

967
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: can own. I was already in business with the UFC.

968
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: We did all the work about where we could take

969
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: the economics internationally sponsorship. It was an easy bet and

970
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: it worked out well.

971
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: It worked well.

972
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: The world changed on me at the time. For the

973
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: like Fox sold the Disney so those two buyers out.

974
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 1: Donald Trump wouldn't let AT and T buy Time Warner,

975
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: so those two buyers are out, and the rest of

976
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: it they didn't. Nobody else wanted it at the time

977
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: because they had already had too much. So so it

978
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: was nerve wracking for a while. But then the world changed.

979
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating to me because I think that everyone

980
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: in their micro universe or any universe is always having

981
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: to make tough decisions that a lot of people around

982
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: them don't understand. Whether someone listening to this right now

983
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: is trying to start a new health regime, whether someone's

984
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 2: not a.

985
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: Pill, and anything we do as we now know, there's

986
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: not like because I don't know about you. People come in,

987
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: so what's the one thing?

988
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: One thing? There is no one. I do seventeen things

989
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: like and it's grown from ten. Yep, there's like being

990
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: asked the one thing. It doesn't work? Yeah, absolutely absolutely,

991
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: And that's why that's why the questions I'm asking you.

992
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by the thought process. Well, because you're just

993
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: in our lives.

994
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: We're just gathering information, gathering thought process, gathering, gathering perspectives,

995
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: and then we go hunting for things that we want

996
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: to do and where we think the world's going. And

997
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: then once you get to that point like okay, you

998
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: talk to a lot of people, you have to for me,

999
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: talk to investors, et cetera, and then you're then you're launched,

1000
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: and then there's I think I might get this story wrong.

1001
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: Disney when they bought Cap Cities, which had ESPN, they

1002
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: valued ESPN did zero at the time, and when it

1003
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: came out, it was the most valuable asset. Again success, right,

1004
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: who knows? You know, you can do all the work

1005
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: you can do and then all of a sudden.

1006
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: Get into the pool. The water is warm, dude, you

1007
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: gotta start swimming. Yeah, And that's what I think. I

1008
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 2: think there is so much pressure around making the right

1009
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: decision as opposed to making your decision right right, like

1010
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: as in you. I think a lot of people spend

1011
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: a lot of time. Is this the right decision? Is

1012
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: this the right thing to investor? I'm like, well, make

1013
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: the decision.

1014
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: And then we started how many people can handle change

1015
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: and fear the I mean you just have to be

1016
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: comfortable and the uncomfortable and.

1017
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, what have you see? And you've worked

1018
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: with talent? I know you still do in in some

1019
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: in the ways, still work with a lot of time.

1020
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 2: I've alread you said what most of but you're working

1021
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: with the business as well as much as you Yeah, exactly,

1022
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: So when you're working with talent, what have you seen

1023
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: has been the Because I think it was interesting. I

1024
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: was saying when I was young, everyon wanted to be

1025
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: an investment banker. Now we know in America most peop

1026
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: want to be influencers, creators, something to YouTube. What what

1027
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 2: have you seen have been the best choices that talent

1028
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: have made long term for their successful careers or where

1029
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,479
Speaker 2: are some of the mistakes people.

1030
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: I think most talent now realizes they're the ass and

1031
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of moving towards them and and a lot

1032
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: of them are starting to try and figure out, like, Okay,

1033
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: what does that mean?

1034
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: Can I own other businesses? Can I get equity?

1035
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: It be Ryan re Duyne, Johnson, Mark Wallbert, these people, right,

1036
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: And I think that's been at that level. We're going

1037
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: to go through a whole iteration right now with AI

1038
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: that is gonna I think, I don't know what it's

1039
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: going to do, but it's going to transfer one more time.

1040
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: Our business.

1041
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: I think in a good way in that I think

1042
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: people are gonna have more free time than ever. They're

1043
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: gonna want movies, they're gonna want to entertainment, They're gonna

1044
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: need more. I think that we're gonna go down to

1045
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: a permanent four day work week. Governments are going to

1046
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: need it for full employment, and that means the weekend

1047
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: is starting on Thursday night, and that means that's three

1048
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: days where people need personal interaction, and so the value proposition,

1049
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: especially as distribution changes, you're gonna go to six Wi Fi.

1050
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: You're now seeing more distribution, rumble.

1051
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: Picking up shows, Roque. I mean, it's just expanding and expanding.

1052
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 1: Our job is to create a place where our talent

1053
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: can create, really for the first time even more exponentially,

1054
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: become their own brands and own businesses and do things

1055
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: that they not just the movie, not just to tell

1056
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 1: other things and will be successful for them and they'll

1057
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: be successful as long as we can create this kind

1058
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: of part perfect architecture. And we're not perfect at it yet,

1059
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: but we're getting better at it. And those are the

1060
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: clients that we want to be in business across podcast,

1061
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: all the different things, and that's the hardest thing that

1062
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: we're trying to build now in this transition.

1063
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 2: But that's where I think the world is going interesting.

1064
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: Four day work weeks. I think that's that I think.

1065
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: I think, even if it's unofficial, I don't know governments,

1066
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 2: I think because of AI Oh, and I'm saying probably

1067
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: in two three, four years for full employment and they're

1068
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: going to need it for social non unrest. You're going

1069
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: to have and you know you have COVID and that's

1070
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 2: almost a four day work Greek now because people don't

1071
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: go into the office on Fridays.

1072
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 1: That means Thursday night, what are you doing? Yeah, well,

1073
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: I'm in the entertainment. That's the that's the objective, and

1074
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: so that's what we've.

1075
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: Been building like events Madrid Open Barrett Jackson Art Show,

1076
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: et cetera. And that's where I think the world's got

1077
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 2: sporting events, et cetera. So I think entertainments can be

1078
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: more valuable than it's ever become. I don't think it's

1079
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: as we'll be as disrupted by AI. There'll be some

1080
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: disruption in it. Yeah, it's it's incredible to think about

1081
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: that because, yeah, I think people are only looking for

1082
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 2: more alternatives and options, especially for that human connection point

1083
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 2: we were talking about, how have you found it as

1084
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: a leader to have that where you've gone from everyone

1085
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: being in an office in an agency to then people

1086
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: working from home? Like, how have you navigated that to

1087
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 2: continue that? Like listen, we have you know, we've we

1088
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: had done this a long time ago. We just restarted.

1089
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: We did we did a book club, not the way

1090
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: we used to do with with Rick Rubin on his

1091
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: new book We do. We've had a lecture on anti Semitism.

1092
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: We're trying to get people in groups talking about big

1093
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: issues to kind of keep the company together from you know,

1094
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: we're in I don't know, thirty seven countries, so that

1095
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: people get to there's a community and they were going

1096
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: to start a big retreat again, which we hadn't done in.

1097
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: A lot of years because of COVID. So that's the

1098
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 2: way we foresee doing that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, and

1099
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: I think that that's that just keeps hopefully, Yeah, and

1100
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: we just have to keep on working on how we

1101
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: keep that connection ongoing in the company. Yeah, you know,

1102
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: because you do want the architecture, right, you do want

1103
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: the licensing group talking to the motion picture group, talking

1104
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: to the online on location group to create an experience,

1105
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: and you want all those pieces and the outside world

1106
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: and the clients is asking for it too, So that's

1107
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: where we have to Yeah. I worked with so many

1108
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 2: organizations before and during Manu the pandemic, and then even after,

1109
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: and the transitions I've seen are incredible because whether a

1110
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: company was growing rapidly so I was working with Zoom,

1111
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: they were having the best success as a company financially,

1112
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: but it was like they had to scale like what

1113
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: was a small organization really quickly, and so like the

1114
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 2: burnout that comes with that is really really hard. And

1115
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: then you had other organizations obviously like travel entertainment, live

1116
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: entertainment down struggling with that and hurdling morale. And so

1117
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: it's really interesting to see how they both bounce back

1118
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: because it was hard either way, and it's really fat.

1119
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: You always think they're successful. They don't. It's hot. Success

1120
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 2: was hard for them though. Yeah, of course it is.

1121
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: Of course it is. It's it's so complicated and.

1122
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: It's really complicated. Success is hard and failure is hard

1123
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: running a business. I don't any one of them.

1124
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, brutal. Yeah, what have been some of you? What

1125
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: would you say the last few years has been one

1126
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: of like your biggest misses or your biggest failures that

1127
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: you look back and go that taught me a lot.

1128
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say the following because it was a success.

1129
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: And it was only success because I thought we had

1130
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: like shut everything down, and Dana White at the OC

1131
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: said to me, uh uh, we're not shutting down. I

1132
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: got scared, and he like slamming across the face, and

1133
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: we're going. And then he said, give me an island.

1134
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 1: And you know, I was like, you know, my brother's

1135
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: a doctor's telling me where the world's come. I'm like

1136
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: and he was like, we're and he was just driving

1137
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: that train. And so we got them an island and

1138
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: he did everything else and you know, kind of just

1139
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: remind me like, yeah, it's it's it's nerve wracking, but

1140
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: don't be scared.

1141
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was like amazing, Yeah.

1142
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: And I was like on the other side of that

1143
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: fence and I said, you know, and that's why I

1144
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 1: have great part He's an incredible partner. But I I

1145
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: for the first time, got really scared, and he just said, no,

1146
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: we just have to go, and we're going to take

1147
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: all the heat for it. And it was a lot

1148
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: of heat against him, and but we did it. If

1149
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: we didn't have that, the whole company would have been

1150
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: tanked because we needed the ESPN deal to continue to go.

1151
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: We needed to put on fights, and his his courage,

1152
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: like dragging me along was incredible.

1153
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: The industry today, I feel like cancel culture heat coach

1154
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: like it's got hotder, basically because there's more people too canceled.

1155
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: There's more things that people are sensitive or care about

1156
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: or believe in, and values like how do how do

1157
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: you as a talent agent think about artists going through that?

1158
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 2: Because I'm sure you've seen over the years, just so,

1159
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 2: I coached a lot of people in the music business,

1160
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: actors like sports people. I coach so many people in

1161
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: the industry jump in the water because most people want

1162
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 2: to respond.

1163
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: The news cycle is so fast unless you've committed murder

1164
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: and something whatever, let it go. The thought process is

1165
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: I got to jump and respond. Then it's just the

1166
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: story just continues the news cycle. I used to say,

1167
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: it's like one day, it's less.

1168
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: Than a half a day now. And if you just

1169
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: get out of this emotional mindset that you have to

1170
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 2: respond and they have to know and really nobody's going

1171
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: to like it's over, don't respond. And that's kind of

1172
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 2: I think the hardest thing for any artist. How have you?

1173
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: How have you worked with because I'm guessing you you

1174
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 2: almost buy job that have to become a coach sometimes

1175
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: to the people, this is my this is my this

1176
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 2: is my line.

1177
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: Note like why are you responding? Don't like they want

1178
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: you to respond because then they keep on getting the click.

1179
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: I think, God, I'm not on a social.

1180
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: Media Yeah, I won't do it. I won't. I mean,

1181
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: I get it. You know. Sometimes my kids send it

1182
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: to me. My wife sends it to me. I don't

1183
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: look at it. What's something that you're trying to immerse

1184
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 2: into your children? Leg? I mean you were just your

1185
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: son was just calling you, just talking. You're like, what's

1186
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: something that you feel you really want them to know

1187
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: and learn at the stages they are in their life.

1188
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: I just I think they get it.

1189
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: It was so funny. My my youngest son is now training.

1190
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: He goes submchion and he's working up at Apple right

1191
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: now at Apple Maps, and he's decided comes out of

1192
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: as he's going into a junior. He's he's training for

1193
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: a triathlon a junior. What I loved about him is

1194
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: he did the work and what I mean by did

1195
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: the work, and it was like shocking hearing. I was

1196
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: just such a proud father. He talked about how you

1197
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: run better and how the people and ken you run

1198
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: better because they're on their toes and he'd done out

1199
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: of all this research about and he started doing it.

1200
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: First three weeks was brutal on his legs, but he's

1201
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: gotten faster on the bike. I have to do it

1202
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: in a box, Dad, here's what And I ride and

1203
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: do a POxy training and all this stuff.

1204
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: And I said, you're right, it does.

1205
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: And he has not stopped training. No, he's twenty one

1206
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: years old. You know, I remember how I was at

1207
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: twenty one years old. I wouldn't have been doing that.

1208
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: But his work about how to get better. He swam

1209
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: double the length this time. He's got a month left.

1210
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: And just the amount of work he's put into it,

1211
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: the thought process behind it, the research he did. I'm like,

1212
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't be prouder, and all of them.

1213
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: I just try and teach him one thing. You got

1214
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: to work hard and you got to show up the

1215
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: results you're not going to control. If you do those things,

1216
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: then there's many other things that we all can on

1217
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: the list, but those are kind of it. You work

1218
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: really hard, you show up outcomes you can't control.

1219
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: That's what you want. Good advice. I love that. It's

1220
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: all right. It's been such a joy talking to you day.

1221
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: You you've been You've been such a like. It's been

1222
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 2: such a treat, just like I feel like we've been

1223
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 2: playing tennis or pickleball. Uh, that's my wife. Yeah, yeah,

1224
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 2: I was gonna say I.

1225
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: Need a pair of those. I will just send one

1226
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: of them. You'll send me the shoe size and everything.

1227
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: One of those two you have to wear it on

1228
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,959
Speaker 1: the podcast, so she gets a little gets a little

1229
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: bit of kind of love from you.

1230
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 2: Those are awesome. Yeah, and multi balance too, so that's great.

1231
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 2: There are multiple colors. Okay, I'm gonna essentially have these

1232
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: in in shoes too. You Yeah, I want it, I

1233
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 2: want it all. They look great, they look great. It

1234
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: looks it looks great on you too. Thank you for

1235
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: doing this. I will. But we end every show with

1236
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 2: the final five. These have to be answered in one

1237
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: word or one sentence maximum, So it's super I better

1238
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: sit up for this. Yes, all, these are your final five.

1239
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 2: The first question is what is the best advice you've

1240
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: ever heard or received? No when you're on the field.

1241
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: The second question is what is the worst advice you've

1242
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: ever heard or received? I don't know if it was advice,

1243
00:59:55,360 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 2: but why would you do that? Interesting question? What's something

1244
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: that you're trying to unlearn being angry? That sounds hard?

1245
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 2: It's hard? How hard is it? Let's let's talk about

1246
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: that for a second. I'll tell you what it is.

1247
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: It's you know, I know when it pops up like

1248
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, when somebody used to call me

1249
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: stupid in school, it was game on and that thesis

1250
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: where somebody treats me.

1251
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: As if I'm not smart or they trying to pull

1252
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 2: something on me, I just I just go to a

1253
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 2: very dark, sick place.

1254
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: And I've worked very hard now not to go there,

1255
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: to handle it differently, not that I'm not going to

1256
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: be like, what do you think I'm stupid? Like by

1257
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: doing that, you're you're acting as if I don't know

1258
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: what's going on here and so, and they're pulling one

1259
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: over me. And for whatever reason, the minute I feel

1260
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: like somebody's trying.

1261
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 2: To take advantage of you. Yeah, I get that. And

1262
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: so that is a lot of work. That is a

1263
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 2: constant work.

1264
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: And when I feel it coming on, Okay, that's your shadow,

1265
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: whatever the phrase is, that your you know, that's the

1266
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: work I have to do. And I don't always do it,

1267
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: especially those childhood ones and so, but when somebody in

1268
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: business does that to me recently, I kind of like

1269
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: I went to the bad place.

1270
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 2: I couldn't control it, and that that that's what I'm

1271
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: trying to work on. Yeah, what's been helping you work

1272
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 2: on that? I just kind of like recognizing it. Once

1273
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 2: I recognize it, yeah, I can breathe through it and

1274
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 2: I can get to the other side of it. But

1275
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 2: in the moment sometimes, Yeah, thanks for sharing that. I

1276
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 2: feel like I feel like for me as well. I

1277
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 2: feel like your partners and your family often see the

1278
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: rest of you. Oh god. I always look at that

1279
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 2: and was like, how what does my wife see? And

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Speaker 2: problem is you do things that are so not smart? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's it's just not good. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but then you regret it afterwards. I'm not sure I

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Speaker 2: regret it, but it's just like, really, you had to

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Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 1: You're sixty two, you had to do that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: say that you had to like make calls and try

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Speaker 1: and kill you.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not doing that. Yeah, all right, two more questions.

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Speaker 2: The fourth question is what's something that you used to

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Speaker 2: value that you don't no longer value. Well, I thought

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Speaker 2: it was about stack.

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Speaker 1: Now maybe somebody's gonna say he's got the stack now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I never had I didn't have the stack at

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Speaker 1: the beginning, and I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't. That was never the end game.

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Speaker 2: What is the end game now?

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Speaker 1: I am really happily married. I love my kids, They're

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Speaker 1: in great shape. I'm comfortable in who I am. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm happy that I have to constantly work at it now,

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Speaker 1: and I'm actually in a good place to work it.

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Speaker 2: I understand the work I have to do, which makes

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Speaker 2: it even better. All right. Fifth and final question. We

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Speaker 2: asked this to every guest longer than one sentence. I

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Speaker 2: know because because you keep giving good answers, you keep

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Speaker 2: giving good answers. I can't help it. You gave a

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Speaker 2: really interesting answer. I was like, if I don't dive

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Speaker 2: into this, my just gonna get mad at me. They're

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Speaker 2: gonna be like, Jay, why did you you know? I

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Speaker 2: listened to my This is what that voice they tell me,

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Speaker 2: the Jay he just told you like something amazing. Why

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Speaker 2: didn't uh? Fifth and final question. If you could create

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Speaker 2: one law that everyone in the world had to follow,

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Speaker 2: what would it be? Could be anything about any any

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Speaker 2: type of law.

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Speaker 1: Don't be hipocritical. If your whole thing is stay out

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Speaker 1: of my life, Okay, stay out of my life. One

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Speaker 1: guns stay out of my life on COVID. Just stay consistent.

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Speaker 1: And that's the hardest thing because there's the shade of gray, right.

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Speaker 1: I just want consistency without like the issue of money.

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Speaker 1: The affirmative action issue is you know, oh it's sports

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Speaker 1: and legacy people or family, you know, kind of heritage

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Speaker 1: that got into the school. Well that's about money. Like

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, the sports make them money and the people

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Speaker 1: that went there and their kids that they.

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Speaker 2: Give a lot of money. Like okay, we all get it.

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Speaker 1: Like, just stay consistent with when we decide to pass

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Speaker 1: a law like that, it is then across the board

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Speaker 1: and the money doesn't get into and all tho stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing. I just look at these things. I

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Speaker 2: just look at these things.

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Speaker 1: I'm like the hypocrisy of oh and I'm I'm a hypocryphal,

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Speaker 1: all of us.

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Speaker 2: I am a h apocryphal. I understand it.

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Speaker 1: I wish that we could figure out a law of

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Speaker 1: that consistency whatever we decide, so that it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: if if if really what you're saying here, and we

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Speaker 1: take it out across all these other issues, here's what

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Speaker 1: it would mean, and so that everybody gets I don't

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Speaker 1: know what that law would be no.

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Speaker 2: The essence of the answer is great. I love the

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Speaker 2: idea of being consistent and removing hypocrisy and the challenges.

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Speaker 2: We need money, yeah, and we all have it like

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Speaker 2: we all like we'll fight to death for this thing.

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Speaker 2: And then but actually, please.

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Speaker 1: Don't say all my apocryphal things that I have done there, right,

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Speaker 1: so we all have thank you, all right, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much.

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Speaker 2: I love thank you. I'm glad and I love so

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna send you these. I better get a care said,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna send you Okay, thank you. You love this episode.

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Speaker 2: You'll love my interview with doctor Gable Matte on understanding

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Speaker 2: your trauma and how to heal emotional wounds to start

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Speaker 2: moving on from the past. Everything in nature grows only

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Speaker 2: where it's vulnerable. So a tree doesn't grow where it's

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Speaker 2: hard and thick, does it. It goes where it's soft

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Speaker 2: and green and vulnerable.