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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Dado, do you think podcasts obey the laws of physics? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I sure, hope. So I don't want to get some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of fine. What makes you worry about it? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard some people who use podcasts to fall asleep. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That sounds pretty harmless. How is that

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<v Speaker 1>violating the laws of physics? Well, isn't there something about

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<v Speaker 1>how bodies and motions stay in motion? I see where

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<v Speaker 1>you're going with this. That could be a problem if

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast puts bodies at rest that used to be

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<v Speaker 1>in motion. Yeah, yeah, that might be a problem, like

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<v Speaker 1>if they're driving or something. Maybe if you get in

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<v Speaker 1>bed and get comfortable before they, you know, put on

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast, then they could just continue being at the rest.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there might be asleep before we get to the

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<v Speaker 1>main topic of the podcast. Maybe we just put a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of people to sleep. Wake up? Wake up? What

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<v Speaker 1>I put you to sleep? You're the physicist. I take

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<v Speaker 1>naps wherever I can find them. Hi am or handmake

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<v Speaker 1>cartoonist and the creator of PhD comics. Hi. I'm Daniel.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a particle physicist and a professor at U c Irvine,

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<v Speaker 1>and I try to stay in motion is that hard

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<v Speaker 1>as a physicist, don't you sit in your couch or

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<v Speaker 1>your desk all the time and just think of solutions

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<v Speaker 1>to the questions about the universe. Yeah, but I find

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<v Speaker 1>that as I get older, a body at rest tends

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<v Speaker 1>to stay at rest, so it's harder and harder to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of that couch. I think a body at

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<v Speaker 1>rest also tends to get bigger. Unfortunately, with our age,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true, and we gravitationally attract more physicists onto the couch.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, We expand spacetime or on our waist. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a weird law of the universe, the no diet theorem,

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<v Speaker 1>the law of general snack ativity. But anyways, welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>our podcast, Daniel and Jorge Explain the Universe, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of My Heart Radio in which we put your mind

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<v Speaker 1>into motion to understand the fundamental nature of the universe

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<v Speaker 1>around us, or at least to ask the deep questions

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<v Speaker 1>about how it works and try to observe the patterns,

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<v Speaker 1>the trends, the symmetries, the conservation laws, the fundamental rules

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<v Speaker 1>that seem to be organizing our universe. On this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>we ask all of those big questions, and we don't

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<v Speaker 1>shy away from trying to find answers. Yeah, because the

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<v Speaker 1>universe is full of things to ask questions about, lots

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<v Speaker 1>of questions that we still haven't figured out despite hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe thousands of years of science and observing the universe,

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<v Speaker 1>and we try to talk about it and to increase

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<v Speaker 1>the gravity I guess in your brain, right, like information

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<v Speaker 1>causes gravity to increase, right, that's true. Yeah, Eventually our

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<v Speaker 1>goal is to turn your brain into a black hole.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, we want stuff to get out. That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be undermining the fundamental purpose of our podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. It wouldn't go viral if I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to turn into a black hole. But we do want

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<v Speaker 1>your brain to absorb information or to feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>are part of this centuries or maybe even millennial long

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<v Speaker 1>progress towards understanding the universe. When people look back on

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<v Speaker 1>the path of theoretical physics in a hundred years or

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand years, we will wonder how far along that

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<v Speaker 1>path we are. Have we just gotten started. Are we

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<v Speaker 1>around the corner from revealing the deepest secrets of the universe?

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<v Speaker 1>Only time will tell. Yeah, because it's amazing that the

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<v Speaker 1>universe is even understandable. Right, Like, we look at it,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems kind of chaotic, But the closer we look,

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<v Speaker 1>we start to notice patterns and trends that seems to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of govern how it works and what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>It is amazing that the universe can be described by

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<v Speaker 1>sets of physical laws that don't seem to change in time. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>We take that for granted. I can do an experiment

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<v Speaker 1>and measure something about the universe, like the gravitational constant,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I can do that same experiment in fifty

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<v Speaker 1>years and get the same number. Why is that right?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do repeated experiments get the same answer. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>something we know, It's just something we've seen. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>something we basically assume as one of the foundational principles

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<v Speaker 1>of science. We don't know why it's true, but we

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<v Speaker 1>certainly do rely on it. Yeah, and you don't even

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<v Speaker 1>have to get that fancy to see how the universe

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<v Speaker 1>has these laws. Right, You can just toss an apple

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<v Speaker 1>in the air over and over and it will always

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<v Speaker 1>sort of come back to your head. But you can

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<v Speaker 1>also do it while being fancy. You can wear a

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<v Speaker 1>tuxedo and toss an apple into the air, nothing stopping

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<v Speaker 1>you from getting fancy? Are you anti fancy? Now? That's way.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could be tossing a kind of caviar

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<v Speaker 1>instead of an apple too. I mean, personally, I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>wearing a tuxedo while doing these podcasts. I thought we

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<v Speaker 1>had a dress code on this podcast. What are you wearing?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wearing a pajama with a tuxedo printed on it. O. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>standards are sliding everywhere, folks, It's hard, that's right. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a dress code law here in the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And you're also allowed to wear whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>like when you're listening to this podcast. So if you've

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<v Speaker 1>been dutifully getting your txedo dry cleaned before you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to this podcast, you can now just wear pajama pants.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure nobody was wearing a tuxedo while listening

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<v Speaker 1>to us, and that's maybe they're like a waiter maybe

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<v Speaker 1>at a fancy restaurant that you know, tunes out the

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<v Speaker 1>customers by listening to our podcast. I hope that we

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<v Speaker 1>have a pretty broad variety of what folks are wearing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all the way from athletic gear to tuxedos

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<v Speaker 1>with tails. And top hats. I'd just like to imagine

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<v Speaker 1>we're sampling all of the human experience the same way

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<v Speaker 1>we are trying to explore the entire range of physical

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<v Speaker 1>phenomena out there in the universe. Yeah, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>interesting that the universe has lost right, Like you can

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<v Speaker 1>imagine maybe a universe without laws? Is that even sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like a possible to a physicist. It's possible to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that that universe exists, but it's hard to understand

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<v Speaker 1>how you would understand it. You know, the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>there are laws and that we can reveal them through experiment,

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<v Speaker 1>and that we can try to simplify them and use

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<v Speaker 1>them to predict the future. It's pretty basic to our

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<v Speaker 1>notion of understanding. It's sort of like goes to the

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<v Speaker 1>heart of storytelling, even well before like what we call

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<v Speaker 1>modern science. Indigenous culture is just learning about their environment

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<v Speaker 1>as they experience it, are telling stories, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>you take this tree bark, you make a tea out

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<v Speaker 1>of it, you drink it, you feel better, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a story, and it's sort of fundamental to the way

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<v Speaker 1>I think humans think. Yeah, that that is science as well, right, Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>it's accumulation of knowledge through experience. Yeah, Well, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing that the universe does seem to have laws

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<v Speaker 1>because it allows us to kind of predict what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on and to build things to make our lives better,

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<v Speaker 1>and to have a little bit of context about where

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<v Speaker 1>we sit in the universe and why we're here. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>and the patterns and trends that we notice in the universe,

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<v Speaker 1>they give us a lot of clues as to the

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental nature of the universe. Though we assume the universe

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<v Speaker 1>has laws, we don't make a lot of assumptions for

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<v Speaker 1>what those laws are. So we'd like to look around

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<v Speaker 1>and notice, like, what are the patterns that happened in

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<v Speaker 1>the universe, what are those laws that it seems to

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<v Speaker 1>follow in, what do those laws mean? And why do

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<v Speaker 1>we have those laws and not other laws. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>probably one of the most important laws, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>the most useful laws we found and understanding the universe

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<v Speaker 1>and predicting what's going to happen, is the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>momentum is conserved. That's a law, right, that's like written

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<v Speaker 1>in the Statute of the universe. That is still a law.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of things that you learned about in grade

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<v Speaker 1>school that you found were conserved in the universe, are

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<v Speaker 1>not mass, energy, energy plus mass, all of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You thought that stuff was conserving universe. It turns out

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<v Speaker 1>it's not. But conservation and momentum still holds as far

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<v Speaker 1>as we know. Oh interesting, some laws have been repealed

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<v Speaker 1>that they made it all the way up to the

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<v Speaker 1>spraying cooard of the universen't they They got shut down? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>like Newtonian physics, some of these laws turned out to

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<v Speaker 1>be almost true, true in many many cases, but not

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<v Speaker 1>fundamentally true, not actually written in stone at the foundation

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe, just sort of like mostly working in

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<v Speaker 1>the scenarios we had tested them in so far, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a cool testament to how science progresses. You find

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<v Speaker 1>a pattern, it seems to be true everywhere, and then

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred years later people find exceptions. Exceptions reveal a

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<v Speaker 1>deeper truth. So when you say that momentum is conserved

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<v Speaker 1>is still a lot, it's it just means that it

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't been revealed yet kind of right, like, as far

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<v Speaker 1>as we know, that's the one that's still true. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why we say it's still a law as of

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<v Speaker 1>the date of this podcast. But you know, in a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years, when people are listening to this episode, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>laugh into their hands at our naivete right before they

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<v Speaker 1>fall asleep. But there is something really deep and fundamental

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<v Speaker 1>that we're doing when we find these conservation laws. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we are looking around to trying to figure out, like

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<v Speaker 1>what is important in the universe, what's a meaningful thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Like when we think, oh, maybe energy is conserved in

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<v Speaker 1>the universe, we just look around. We notice that. We say, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a bunch of energy in this configuration. You

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<v Speaker 1>let the universe do its thing, and you notice, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the same amount of total energy. That suggests that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe energy is like important, it's fundamental, it's interesting, more

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<v Speaker 1>important than like, you know, the number of ice cream

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<v Speaker 1>cones in the universe, which changes a lot with time.

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<v Speaker 1>There's billions of years there was no ice cream and

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<v Speaker 1>then a brief flash of ice cream, and who knows

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<v Speaker 1>whether they'll be ice cream in the future. But nobody

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<v Speaker 1>expects the number of ice cream cones to be conserved

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<v Speaker 1>because nobody thinks that that's an important thing in the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>So if something is conserved, that suggests it is probably

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<v Speaker 1>important somehow to the universe. Well, Daniel, I think ice

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<v Speaker 1>cream is important about you, but it's an important part

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<v Speaker 1>of my diet for sure. Well, if only the things

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<v Speaker 1>that are important to you are also important to the universe,

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<v Speaker 1>I think ice cream is pretty important to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people. It's still around, it's it survived several lost

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<v Speaker 1>trying to ban But if ice cream was conserved, then

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<v Speaker 1>you could ask questions like, well, where did this ice

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<v Speaker 1>cream come from? More? Where does the ice cream go?

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<v Speaker 1>When you eat it? Right? It turns into something else

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<v Speaker 1>which is not ice cream. So that suggests that what's

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<v Speaker 1>conserved is not ice cream, but like some larger category

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<v Speaker 1>of things anyway, it's the same thing with energy and

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<v Speaker 1>with momentum. We discover whether these things are conserved by

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<v Speaker 1>the universe, and then we get to ask what does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean about the nature of the universe, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>I guess asking these questions is how we understand the universe, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's one thing to notice trends in it, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>another to sort of understand why the universe has these trends,

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<v Speaker 1>and like why do certain things that conserved and others don't?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what does it mean about the universe? Can

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<v Speaker 1>we find some fundamental principle that tells us about all

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<v Speaker 1>these conservation laws where they come from. The wonderful thing

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<v Speaker 1>about science is that every answer leads to more questions.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the question number one could be what's conserved

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<v Speaker 1>in the universe? Question number two is said, all right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>why these things and not other things? Always leads to

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<v Speaker 1>more questions which reveal a deeper truth of the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the joy of science that the questions never do end. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's reveal some deeper truths today. So today on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be asking the question why is momentum conserved? Okay, so, Daniel,

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<v Speaker 1>you saying that energy is not conserved in the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a podcast discussing that. But momentum is conserved.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that mean momentum is more important than energy? That's

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<v Speaker 1>a good question. Yeah. I would say that momentum conservation

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<v Speaker 1>tells us something fundamental about the nature of the universe

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<v Speaker 1>and the nature of space, which we'll get into. The

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<v Speaker 1>fact that energy is not conserved actually also tells us

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<v Speaker 1>something about the universe and the nature of time. I

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<v Speaker 1>think both of those facts, that momentum is conserved and

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<v Speaker 1>that energy is not do tell us something deep about

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<v Speaker 1>the nature of the universe. But yeah, I think momentum

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<v Speaker 1>fundamentally is more important. If you had like a competition

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<v Speaker 1>between quantities and physics, I would vote for momentum over energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Who would win in a fight, momentum or energy. Momentum

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<v Speaker 1>is a vector also, right, so it has multiple components.

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<v Speaker 1>It would definitely defeat energy, which is just a scale.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a number. So momentum is a bigger army.

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<v Speaker 1>I see. Yeah. Also momentum has more momentum going for it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that's important in a fight. Yeah, it's momentous, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but only in the moment. Maybe they should have called

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<v Speaker 1>it importum instead of momentum. Yeah, I'm not sure renaming

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<v Speaker 1>and would help there. But this is a fascinating question,

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<v Speaker 1>like why is momentum conserved? Because, as you were saying earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>does something you learn you know early on, like high school,

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<v Speaker 1>middle school, maybe even before, like the idea that if

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<v Speaker 1>something is in motion, it stays in motion, and if

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<v Speaker 1>something is address it it will stay in the rest

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<v Speaker 1>unless something changes m And I think that when people

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<v Speaker 1>learn about these conservation laws, the one that's most intuitive

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<v Speaker 1>is the one that's actually least true. You know, conservation

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<v Speaker 1>of mass, it sort of feels like it should make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you have a chemical reaction. You start out with

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of little lego brick chemical atoms and molecules,

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<v Speaker 1>and all you're doing is rearranging them, so of course

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<v Speaker 1>you should end up with the same amount of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>at the end. And that's the one that seems to

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<v Speaker 1>make the most sense to people. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>a revealing example because it makes sense because you think

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<v Speaker 1>of like stuff as being basic and fundamental to the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that can be like created or destroyed, And you

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<v Speaker 1>hear that a lot in science fiction. Of course, now

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<v Speaker 1>we know that it's not and you can destroy mass

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<v Speaker 1>and turn into energy, and you can turn energy into

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<v Speaker 1>mass and all that kind of stuff. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that a conservation law tells you about what's

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<v Speaker 1>important in the verse is sort of underlying all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember learning about conservation momentum and wondering, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what does that mean is conserved? Is like what does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean about the nature of the universe. Well, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the case of mass, I mean, you just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of have to figure that all mass is really energy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so then you're just it's like it's embedded in

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<v Speaker 1>the question of is energy conserved in the universe, which

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<v Speaker 1>it generally is, just to be clear, but we've recently

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<v Speaker 1>found that sometimes energy is not conserved. Yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>nice idea to generalize the conservation and mass into the

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<v Speaker 1>conservation of energy and say mass is just one form

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<v Speaker 1>of energy. So when it disappears in the energy, that's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not true that mass is the fundamental stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in the universe. Energy is right. But then, as you say,

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<v Speaker 1>we discovered, actually the universe doesn't really care if energy

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<v Speaker 1>is conserved. It can just go away and we can

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of increase it. So dig into that podcast

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<v Speaker 1>if you're curious about that. But what that tells us

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<v Speaker 1>is that energy is not like the fundamental element of

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<v Speaker 1>the universe. It's more like ice cream cones. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>like something we came up with that makes sense to

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<v Speaker 1>us or is important to us. It's not deeply true.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a deep feature of the universe. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>the chocolate ice cream of the universe. Maybe or are

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<v Speaker 1>the same momentum is a vanilla ice cream of the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, ice cream is not important to the

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<v Speaker 1>universe only and humans. But I guess we would be

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<v Speaker 1>saying that, you know, momentum is the dark chocolate at

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<v Speaker 1>the universe and energy is the white chocolate, well chocolate aside,

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<v Speaker 1>this is an interesting question why is momentum conserved? Because

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<v Speaker 1>we we all the field like it's true, and it

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<v Speaker 1>does seem to be true so far, But the question

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<v Speaker 1>is why does it get conserved in the universe. So,

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<v Speaker 1>as usual, we were wondering how many people out there

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<v Speaker 1>think they have an answer to this interesting and deep

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<v Speaker 1>question about how everything works. And thank you to our

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<v Speaker 1>volunteers who are willing to answer deep, difficult questions of

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<v Speaker 1>physics without any chance to prepare, so that we can

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<v Speaker 1>get a senswer what people out there are thinking. If

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<v Speaker 1>you'd like to participate, please you are very welcome right

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<v Speaker 1>to us to questions at Daniel and Jorge dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>So Daniel asked this question on the internet, why is

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<v Speaker 1>momentum conserved? And here's what people had to say. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not really sure that momentum is preserved because momentum massive

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<v Speaker 1>velocity a product of mass and velocity and velocities relatives.

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<v Speaker 1>So if some velocities relative, I don't know how it

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<v Speaker 1>could be preserved, because if somebody else measures it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a different velocity. I was just took

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of as a given and never really questioned

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<v Speaker 1>why why. It's just because they tell us it's always conserved.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's related to, you know, a closed system of

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<v Speaker 1>matter and energy. None of that matter energy is created

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<v Speaker 1>or loss. It's just converted one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>And since momentum is in a way of function of

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<v Speaker 1>your mass and your energy, then it's just always there.

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<v Speaker 1>It can't it can't be bled off into another dimension

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<v Speaker 1>or something as far as I know, well, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the reason momentum is conserved is because of Mutant said so,

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<v Speaker 1>and Einstein said so, maybe both of them. I think

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<v Speaker 1>all that we've been able to observe so far indicates

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<v Speaker 1>that momentum is conserved in terms of interactions that we've

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<v Speaker 1>measured those kinds of things. In terms of a conceptual

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<v Speaker 1>reason behind why momentum should be something that is conserved,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if there's any good explanation for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking about a collision right now between let's say two objects,

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<v Speaker 1>and why is consu so an energy to another object

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<v Speaker 1>is transferred to the other one. So um is conserved

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<v Speaker 1>because nothing the energy, it's constantly nothing, It's wasted. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>gets transferred or transformed. Momentum may be described as mass

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<v Speaker 1>times velocity. It may further be described as the second

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<v Speaker 1>law of thermodynamics, or is it Newton's second law of motion?

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<v Speaker 1>I forget college was a long time ago. However, the

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<v Speaker 1>question of why is it preserved, I think is something

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<v Speaker 1>nobody knows yet. I think it just all has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with the way energy is transferred. So if I

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<v Speaker 1>were to be pushing something, for me to be pushing

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<v Speaker 1>that thing so it moves, I need to be adding

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<v Speaker 1>energy to the system. I need to be pushing it

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<v Speaker 1>and adding a force and therefore transferring energy from me

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<v Speaker 1>into it. But just due to the way Newton's laws work,

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<v Speaker 1>it too has to be pushing back on me. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think of the answer? I like the

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<v Speaker 1>because new And said so, and Einstein agreed. They're like

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<v Speaker 1>a council of physics, and they decide what's true. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe my kids should try that the next time. Their

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<v Speaker 1>parents don't know. But Newton said so, and Einstein agreed

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<v Speaker 1>that you should go to bed two out of two

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<v Speaker 1>seminal physicists agreed as if physicists have any voice and

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<v Speaker 1>anything relevant at all. You know, do you think physics

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<v Speaker 1>and general is sort of done by by polling and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of right, like, there's a little bit of sense

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<v Speaker 1>that in science it's about what the majority thinks is true. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. The consensus view is important, although you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one person against the world doesn't have to be wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>and in some cases, like one seminal physicists can persuade

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of folks. You know, if you say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Einstein thought this, or Murray Gelman said that, or Feineman

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<v Speaker 1>put it this way, that can be pretty persuasive. But

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<v Speaker 1>I guess in general, none of the answers questioned that

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<v Speaker 1>idea that momentum is conserved, right, Nobody said, like, who

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<v Speaker 1>said momentum is conserved? Yeah, though some people thought that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know the answer that we have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>why momentum is conserved, sort of like why is the

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<v Speaker 1>speed of light? What it is? We don't know, we

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<v Speaker 1>just measure it. Some people put it in that category.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they've been listening to our podcast and reading

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<v Speaker 1>our books too much. You know. Sometimes yes, is we

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea. You think they've become persuaded that physics

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<v Speaker 1>actually doesn't really know very much about the universe. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>mission accomplished. We spoiled the ice cream. It just means

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<v Speaker 1>there's more ice cream of discovery left to eat for everybody. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just recap it for people. So, momentum conservation means

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<v Speaker 1>that momentum is conservad Like, momentum is defined as what

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<v Speaker 1>mass times your velocity. Yes, so momentum for slow moving objects,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just mass times velocity. And when we say momentum

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<v Speaker 1>is conserved, we mean that if you have the momentum

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<v Speaker 1>of a bunch of stuff and then you let it

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<v Speaker 1>do its thing, follow the laws of physics, banging into

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<v Speaker 1>each other, bounce off of stuff, or just float through space,

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<v Speaker 1>and then later on you add up the momentum again

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<v Speaker 1>you should get the same number. And interestingly, momentum is

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<v Speaker 1>actually three different quantities. Is momentum and X momentum And

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<v Speaker 1>why momentum and z because we live in three dimensional

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<v Speaker 1>space and those are all independently conserved. The momentum conservation

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of three laws in one to deal Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>For those of you who do like classical mechanics or

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<v Speaker 1>freshman physics. You know, that makes it very powerful because

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<v Speaker 1>you get three equations to constrain your answer rather than

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<v Speaker 1>just one from conservation of energy. Right, But you were

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<v Speaker 1>saying that it's only for slow moving things, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>different for other things. It turns out in relativity, the

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<v Speaker 1>definition of momentum is different from just mass times velocity.

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<v Speaker 1>There's this boost factor we call it the Gamma factor

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<v Speaker 1>or the Lorentz factor, which is one for slow moving

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<v Speaker 1>objects and approaches infinity as things get towards the speed

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<v Speaker 1>of light. So the real equation for momentum is mass

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<v Speaker 1>times velocity times this Gamma factor. We never noticed because

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<v Speaker 1>the Gama factor is close to one, so you can

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<v Speaker 1>ignore it for stuff that's less than you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>half the speed of light or a third at the

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<v Speaker 1>speed of light. But it becomes important as you get

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<v Speaker 1>near the speed of light. Oh, I said, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to do You have to adjust it because nothing can

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<v Speaker 1>go faster than the speed of light because it has

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<v Speaker 1>to have a limit, Like you can have momentum that's

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<v Speaker 1>greater than the speed of light. You have to adjust

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<v Speaker 1>in order to get conservation momentum, like the quantity that

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<v Speaker 1>is conserved is not mass times velocity. It's mass times

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<v Speaker 1>velocity times gamma. And you notice this as you get

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<v Speaker 1>to very high velocities. In order have conservation before and

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<v Speaker 1>after some interaction, for example, you have to use gamma

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<v Speaker 1>mass velocity, not just mass and velocity. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>actually the source of a lot of misunderstanding about relativistic physics.

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<v Speaker 1>People used to define gamma times mass as this weird

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<v Speaker 1>relativistic mass and say things like your mass gets really

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<v Speaker 1>large as you go towards high speeds because they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to redefine momentum to be relativistic mass times velocity. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do a whole podcast about that question about

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<v Speaker 1>whether your mass actually does get larger as you approach

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<v Speaker 1>the speed of light. Sure answer is it doesn't. Right Right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think at least for slow moving objects, it does

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<v Speaker 1>kind of match what people's intuition is about momentum, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like mass time velocity. We have something large, even if

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<v Speaker 1>it's moving slow, it has a lot of momentum and

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to stop. But even something is small and

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<v Speaker 1>has a lot of velocity, it's also hard to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Right like a bullet, it's pretty hard to stop if

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming towards you. It's so it's sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a sense of how hard it is to stop

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<v Speaker 1>and wait. Yeah, and Newton's law force equals mass times

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<v Speaker 1>acceleration says exactly that. Another way to write Newton's law

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<v Speaker 1>instead of mass times acceleration is a change in momentum.

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<v Speaker 1>So Newton's law is force is the change in momentum.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to change something's momentum by a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>it takes a big force. You want to change something

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<v Speaker 1>momentum by a little bit takes a smaller force. And

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<v Speaker 1>said another way, something with a lot of momentum takes

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<v Speaker 1>more force to stop. Something without a lot of momentum

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't take much force to stop, right, And the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that it's conserved means that it like it goes somewhere right,

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<v Speaker 1>or like if I try to stop a train and

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<v Speaker 1>may be able to stop it, but that momentum has

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<v Speaker 1>to go somewhere. That's right. If you throw a tennis ball,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, in front of a train, it will push

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<v Speaker 1>that tennis ball really really fast and slow down the

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<v Speaker 1>train a little bit. So the total momentum is the

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<v Speaker 1>same momentum can flow, as you say, from one object

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<v Speaker 1>to another, but the total momentum has to stay the

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<v Speaker 1>same before and after every physics process. Right. And the

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<v Speaker 1>weird thing is like like it's not like somebody's like

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<v Speaker 1>overseeing this transaction, right, Like it just happens, right when

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<v Speaker 1>things interact, somehow momentum is concerned. But it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>momentum actually flowed from one thing to do They just

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<v Speaker 1>pushed on each other and somehow momentum was conserved. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>what a touch on like deep questions of philosophy. Does

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<v Speaker 1>the universe like calculate what's happening and follow some laws

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<v Speaker 1>like it's some big computer following a program, or does

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<v Speaker 1>it just happen and we're observing it and trying to

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<v Speaker 1>tell our own mathematical stories about it. We don't really know.

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<v Speaker 1>What we notice is that it does happen, and it

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<v Speaker 1>does tell us something about the nature of the universe. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't really know sort of like how it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, we know it's conserved momentum, and so

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<v Speaker 1>let's ask the question why it's conserved, and let's get

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<v Speaker 1>into that, and we'll get into the person who actually

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<v Speaker 1>made this big breakthrough but first, let's take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're talking about ice cream. It seems Daniel,

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<v Speaker 1>are you are you hungry dating some dessert right now?

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<v Speaker 1>That's for two reasons. One is because we record this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast around lunchtime, and the other reason is that today

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<v Speaker 1>is the birthday of the person who solved this riddle

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe one of the most important contributions in physics.

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<v Speaker 1>M that's right, Yeah, the person who discovered the basically

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<v Speaker 1>the answer to the question that we're asking today, why

0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:57.920
<v Speaker 1>is momentum conserved? So we talked about why that momentum

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<v Speaker 1>is conserved, what momentum is, and it just seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be conserved in the universe. And so Daniel, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>what's the answer wise, momentum conserved. It has something to

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<v Speaker 1>do with symmetries, that's right. So, I mean the mathematician

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<v Speaker 1>who just dabbled in physics about a hundred years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>she turns a hundred and forty today, the day we're

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<v Speaker 1>recording this podcast. She discovered that there's a really deep

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<v Speaker 1>connection between these conservation laws and symmetries of the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>So patterns that we see in the universe are connected

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<v Speaker 1>to these symmetries. So what do we mean by symmetries.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a case where we're using the totally normal

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<v Speaker 1>definition of a symmetry. We don't haven't like imbuted with

0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 1>any special confusing meaning. It just means that, like you

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<v Speaker 1>change something and there's no impact, Like you could take

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 1>a ball and rotated and doesn't change the ball at all.

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<v Speaker 1>It still behaves the same way, it still looks the

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<v Speaker 1>same way. As an example of a symmetry where you

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<v Speaker 1>can take a road which is a straight line and

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<v Speaker 1>shifted by a hundreds and if it's a straight line,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't change it at all, or it's the same road.

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<v Speaker 1>The these kinds of symmetries turn out to be really

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<v Speaker 1>important in the nature of the universe and are connected

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<v Speaker 1>to these conservation laws, right right, But let's maybe take

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<v Speaker 1>a step back, right because I think the history of

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<v Speaker 1>this is that we knew that momentum was conserved, and

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time we're discovering something about the universe

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<v Speaker 1>that it is sort of symmetric in these weird and

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<v Speaker 1>interesting ways. And so maybe before we make that connection,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe step us through, like what exactly is a symmetry

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<v Speaker 1>in the universe? So there are lots of cool symmetries

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<v Speaker 1>in the universe. One of them is that space seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be the same everywhere, Like the nature of this

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<v Speaker 1>universe we find ourselves in doesn't change based on where

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<v Speaker 1>you are. You do an experiment to measure something fundamental

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<v Speaker 1>about the universe, it doesn't matter where in the universe

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<v Speaker 1>you measure it. Or said another way, if you shifted

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<v Speaker 1>the whole universe over by ten meters, no one would

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<v Speaker 1>be able to notice, right, the universe is the same,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter sort of where it is, right right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty a cool idea. But I think maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what confuses people a lot sometimes is that

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<v Speaker 1>the name symmetry is a little bit different than what

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<v Speaker 1>you just describe, right, Like to I think the most

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:11.879
<v Speaker 1>people that the word symmetry, it kind of means like

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<v Speaker 1>it's the mirror opposite, or like if I have a

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<v Speaker 1>pattern and a piece of paper, and then I have

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<v Speaker 1>the mirror image of the pattern right next to it,

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<v Speaker 1>then we would say the whole drawing is sort of

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<v Speaker 1>symmetric because it's the same left or right right, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's an example of what we consider a discrete symmetry. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you can like flip the whole image and it looks

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<v Speaker 1>the same. Continuous symmetry is like take a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>paper and draw a circle. That circle is the same

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<v Speaker 1>no matter how much you rotated, and there's an infinite

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<v Speaker 1>number of ways you could rotate it and not change

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 1>the circle. Right. Or if you have an infinite sheet

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<v Speaker 1>of paper and you drew a picture, it wouldn't really

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<v Speaker 1>matter where you drew that picture. You can draw it

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<v Speaker 1>here or draw it there. It would be the same

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<v Speaker 1>because the paper is infinite. Right. But I guess maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder like a more a better world would have been,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, consistency or constancy of of things, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Because I think the reason you guys use symmetry. The

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<v Speaker 1>word symmetry is that it has to do with the

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<v Speaker 1>equations of motion of the universe, right, Like if you

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<v Speaker 1>apply like a mirror transformation or some kind of transformation

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>to the equations, and then it should stay the same. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So to totally generalize the word symmetry, what mathematicians mean

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<v Speaker 1>by it is that you make some kind of transformation

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<v Speaker 1>to the universe and then that doesn't change whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>is you're interested in. So, in the case of physics,

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<v Speaker 1>we make some sort of transformation to the universe, like

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<v Speaker 1>we shifted the left hun your feet, or we rotated

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<v Speaker 1>around some angle. And then the thing we're interested in

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<v Speaker 1>are are the laws of physics the same as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>like the equations of motion? Would you predict that Joorhes

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<v Speaker 1>apple flies through the air and lands in his hand

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<v Speaker 1>the same way if you put your access over here,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you said you know zero is over there,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you did the problem upside down, when you

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<v Speaker 1>get the same answer, If so, then there's a symmetry

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<v Speaker 1>to the problem. Or even like if I move the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth a few light years to the right, it should

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<v Speaker 1>still be the same, right, Yeah, if you the whole

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<v Speaker 1>universe right a few light years to the right, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>could do an experiment to determine that that's the case,

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<v Speaker 1>that that's happened, because no place in space is different. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>the rules should be the same everywhere. Right, So when

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<v Speaker 1>you hear the word symmetry in physics, really maybe in

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<v Speaker 1>your head you should be thinking like a constancy in

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<v Speaker 1>the universe, or like a invariability or something that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>change when you move it or rotated or flipid. Right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I like that there's no word in physics that you're

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<v Speaker 1>not up for redefining and improving. You know, science is

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<v Speaker 1>a constant project, and so we're always striving to improve.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is a bit of confusion there because if

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<v Speaker 1>you call it like an invariability, it comes close to

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<v Speaker 1>another word we use, which is invariance, which actually means

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<v Speaker 1>something quite different. Right. Invariance means no matter who's measuring it,

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<v Speaker 1>you always get the same answer. An example of an

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<v Speaker 1>invariant is like the speed of light. Everybody measures the

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<v Speaker 1>speed of light to be the same quantity, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>where you are or how fast you're traveling. Momentum is conserved,

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<v Speaker 1>we say, but it's not invariant because for examp people,

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<v Speaker 1>you are standing still, you measure your velocity be zero.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm moving past you. I measure your velocity to be

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<v Speaker 1>non zero, so I measure you'd have momentum. You measure

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<v Speaker 1>yourself to have no momentum. Momentum is not the same

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<v Speaker 1>for all observers, though it's always conserved. I will see

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<v Speaker 1>your momentum is conserved. You will see your momentum is conserved,

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 1>but it's not invariant. So invariant means something different in physics, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not saying you should not use the

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<v Speaker 1>word symmetry. I'm just saying that it might be helpful

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<v Speaker 1>for people just kind of understand what's going on. If

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<v Speaker 1>if when they hear the words symmetry, they should sort

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<v Speaker 1>of be thinking more about like that things are the

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<v Speaker 1>same no matter if you move them over here, or

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<v Speaker 1>you do you throw the apple over here over there

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<v Speaker 1>or upside down, or if you rotate the whole universe

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<v Speaker 1>ninety degrees, it should still fall down back to my

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 1>head exactly. And those are a few examples of symmetries, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you shift the whole universe over your experiment

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<v Speaker 1>should work the same way, you know, And that's true

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<v Speaker 1>if space is not different in different places in the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>If it were different, right, if space was like different

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<v Speaker 1>over there are and over here, if you have different

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<v Speaker 1>laws of physics over there and over here, you'll be

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<v Speaker 1>able to tell sort of like where the universe is

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<v Speaker 1>relative to those like different parts of space. That will

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<v Speaker 1>be fascinating. Um, but it seems to us so far

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<v Speaker 1>like space is the same everywhere. And that's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>deep symmetry, right. It tells you something about the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe itself, that the experiments are the same

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere you go, and the same seems to be true

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<v Speaker 1>for rotating, Like there's no up or down in the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>You could rotate the whole universe and you wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>able to notice that it had been rotated in the

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<v Speaker 1>sense that you mean that, you know, the laws of

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<v Speaker 1>physics don't change, and your experiments get the same results. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But I wonder if that's sort of dependent on spacetime, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like do you depend does that depend on flat space

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<v Speaker 1>time or you know, would that be still be the

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<v Speaker 1>same around close to the black hole or something where

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<v Speaker 1>spacetime is sort of bent or distorted. Yeah, it's a

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:54.240
<v Speaker 1>good question, you know. So you might ask, like, I

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<v Speaker 1>do an experiment here and I notice my apple falls.

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<v Speaker 1>What if I move Jorge near a black hole, wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>as apple fall differently? Yeah? Wouldn't you like that? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? Then who would eat all the ice cream?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I need somebody else to eat it so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't gain too much weight and become a black

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 1>hole myself. It would all fall into the black hole,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So we can throw you into black hole

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<v Speaker 1>as long as we send a continuous stream of ice

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<v Speaker 1>cream scoops as well. Let's keep it as a thought experiment. No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good question, and you know, essentially the issue

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<v Speaker 1>there is that the black hole is sort of part

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<v Speaker 1>of your experiment, and so underlying space itself isn't change.

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<v Speaker 1>But the sort of laboratory of the experiment you're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>um includes a black hole in one scenario and doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>in the other scenario. That's why you get different outcomes

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<v Speaker 1>because you're sort of doing a different experiment. I see.

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<v Speaker 1>But so the theory still works no matter what what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening with space time. Yeah, although if it's not true

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<v Speaker 1>that space is the same everywhere, then the theory doesn't hold.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, for example, what if space was not like

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<v Speaker 1>continuous and infinite, what if it had a boundary, as

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<v Speaker 1>you've mentioned on several podcasts, there was like an edge

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Then you know, the laws of physics would

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<v Speaker 1>be different at the edge because space would be different

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<v Speaker 1>at the edge. Different things would have to happen. So

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the laws of physics would be different at the edge.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't actually know, right, is there a boundary to

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<v Speaker 1>space and doesn't go on forever? Another possible way that

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<v Speaker 1>it could not be true. Is like if space is

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<v Speaker 1>not continuous, if it's like pixelized or like a crystal,

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<v Speaker 1>then it might not have a continuous symmetry. You might

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<v Speaker 1>be like location is a symmetry up to a certain value.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you take like certain steps in space,

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<v Speaker 1>you get the same answer. But if you take like

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<v Speaker 1>a half step, maybe you get a different answer because

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<v Speaker 1>you're sort of like caught between two parts of the crystal. Yeah,

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 1>if it's quantum, then it maybe wouldn't be a symmetric,

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess to sort of generalize it though, as

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<v Speaker 1>far as we know, it's it is symmetric the laws

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<v Speaker 1>of physics throughout all of spacetime, as far as we know.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as we know, it's symmetric to translations, shifts,

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 1>and symmetric to rotations. And with a couple of exceptions,

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<v Speaker 1>it is symmetric two shifts in time. Like if you

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<v Speaker 1>do an experiment today and you experiment in a hundred years,

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<v Speaker 1>then you should get the same answer because the laws

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>of physics, we think don't change in time. Those are

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<v Speaker 1>three really basic symmetries that we've discovered in physics, right, translation, rotation,

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:17.320
<v Speaker 1>and time, And that even applies to like moving backwards

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<v Speaker 1>in time, right, it does, Yeah, in the sense that

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<v Speaker 1>if you're comparing two experiments done at two different points

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<v Speaker 1>in time, one of them can be further back. But

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<v Speaker 1>I guess always one of them is further back, right,

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:29.359
<v Speaker 1>It's it's not about time travel necessarily, all right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's the idea of symmetry in the universe. We

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<v Speaker 1>noticed that the equations of the universe have these symmetries

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<v Speaker 1>in them, but I guess we didn't know that they

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<v Speaker 1>were connected to the idea of conservation of momentum, right,

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 1>that's right, all right, So those are kind of like

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:46.759
<v Speaker 1>the three main symmetries that the we've noticed about the

0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 1>equations of the universe, and those are kind of like

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the more intuitive one, but there are sort of deeper also,

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 1>symmetries kind of in that the quantum level. Right. Yeah.

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about the podcast a few times about other

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 1>kinds of symmetries we've noticed in the universe. And these

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 1>are not things that are easy to grasp in your

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>mind because they're not things you see, but these are

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 1>like properties of quantum fields. And it turns out that

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:13.800
<v Speaker 1>you can like rotate different quantum fields sort of into

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 1>each other. You can like swap in different colors of quarks,

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 1>turn red to green, and green to blue and blue

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>to red. Nothing changes in the universe, right, So we've

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:26.719
<v Speaker 1>noticed these kinds of symmetries on the sort of like

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:31.240
<v Speaker 1>quantum level that are very similar to these symmetries mathematically,

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:34.760
<v Speaker 1>like they involved rotations, but not in a physical rotation

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, like spinning anything. You're just sort of like

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:40.200
<v Speaker 1>changing labels on quantum stuff. But these are just as

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 1>important and reveal also something really deeply true about the universe.

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>And we wouldn't have discovered the Higgs boson if we

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 1>hadn't noticed these symmetries. And again, these are like symmetries

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.400
<v Speaker 1>or kind of invariant things you can do to the

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 1>equations that you're like, hey, wow, that's that's something strange

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.359
<v Speaker 1>about the equations. They they are symmetric, They work no

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:00.520
<v Speaker 1>matter what you do to it. Yeah, it just see

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 1>to matter in these cases, which gauge you choose. For

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 1>those of you who know like electrodynamics, you know that

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:08.920
<v Speaker 1>there's sort of like an overall gauge you can choose

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 1>in electrodynamics and doesn't change the answers at all, just

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 1>like an arbitrary choice, just sort of like where you

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 1>choose your potential energy to be zero in classical mechanics problems.

0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't change the answer. It's just a choice. So

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>there's a symmetry there to the problem. You can change

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>these things and nothing changes and how you predict the

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 1>laws of physics, and that's in the same sense, you

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.080
<v Speaker 1>can like change these things and how we describe these

0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 1>quantum fields and doesn't make any difference for our predictions

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:36.719
<v Speaker 1>for or how particles should interact with each other, right, right,

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>And I think we had a whole podcast about this

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 1>about this idea that you know, the word gauge here

0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of related to the idea of measuring something

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:46.399
<v Speaker 1>or like having a reference you know, length or something. Yeah,

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.799
<v Speaker 1>it actually comes from trains because back on the day,

0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 1>people were building railroads all across the United States, and

0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:54.719
<v Speaker 1>they were building them of different gauges, and people thought like, Okay,

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.200
<v Speaker 1>it's just sort of an arbitrary choice of train gauge.

0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:00.160
<v Speaker 1>So then when physicists were like making arbitrary choice in

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 1>their theories, they were trying to find a word that

0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 1>captured that, like sort of sense of arbitrariness, as you say,

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 1>like to set a scale. So they chose the word

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 1>gauge because physicists love trains. I don't know why, like

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 1>in thought experiments, right yeah, well it's it's Europe, it's

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:18.000
<v Speaker 1>full of trains, right, yeah. I suppose it was before

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 1>the air of the car that these things took over. So, yes,

0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:24.720
<v Speaker 1>that's right. You would just call them ubers today or lives.

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:27.839
<v Speaker 1>All right. Well, so that's kind of where we were

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:30.400
<v Speaker 1>in the history of physics. Like we knew that momentum

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 1>was conserved, like we could see it with simple experiments.

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 1>It seemed to work with with Newtonian physics. But at

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 1>the same time we had these more complex equations of

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 1>the universe and we noticed kind of these special symmetries

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.839
<v Speaker 1>mathematical symmetries about them. But I guess people hadn't put

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:46.279
<v Speaker 1>the two together right to make the connection. That's right.

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:49.640
<v Speaker 1>We had noticed these properties of the universe that things

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 1>seem to be conserved, and we also noticed mathematically that

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 1>there were symmetries to our equations. Until we got a

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.439
<v Speaker 1>very special physicist on the scene. And so let's talk

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 1>about her and how she put the two together and

0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:05.520
<v Speaker 1>answered the question basically, why is momentum conserved? But first

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 1>let's take another quick break. All right, we're asking the

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.319
<v Speaker 1>question why is momentum conserved? And we know it has

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 1>something to do with symmetries, but um, we know nobody

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 1>had put the two and two together until is his

0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 1>name there? That's right. Actually, she's a mathematician, Emmanuther, and

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:37.239
<v Speaker 1>she was an expert in abstract algebra and really kind

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:40.520
<v Speaker 1>of a genius, and she sort of got pulled into

0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:43.400
<v Speaker 1>a question in physics just very briefly wrote like, you know,

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 1>one paper on it and then moved back to a

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:48.720
<v Speaker 1>real interest in math. But this one paper is basically

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 1>now the foundations of all of theoretical physics. Her, like

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, side hustle turned out to be, you know,

0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>the most important thing anybody's ever done. Man, does it

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:00.880
<v Speaker 1>feel like you know, you guys, like the entire field

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:03.560
<v Speaker 1>of physics was stuck and then they just like you know,

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:05.839
<v Speaker 1>one mathematician had to take like a five minute break

0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:08.799
<v Speaker 1>from from their important work can come and saved all

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:11.480
<v Speaker 1>of you. Yeah, And it's even more tragic than that

0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:13.520
<v Speaker 1>because due to the fact that she was a woman,

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't even really allowed to participate in academia and

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:20.280
<v Speaker 1>in research, even in mathematics, not necessarily just in physics.

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.719
<v Speaker 1>And then when the history of all this stuff was written,

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:25.959
<v Speaker 1>she was largely sidelined. So people, a lot of people

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 1>have never heard of Emmy Nuther, even though she's like

0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:33.359
<v Speaker 1>more influential than Einstein. WHOA All right, well, maybe take

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:35.879
<v Speaker 1>us back. So she was around in the nineteen hundreds, right,

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 1>she was born before the nineteen hundreds. Yeah, she was

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 1>born in eighteen eighty two. You know, the end of

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 1>that century had like important mathematical work by like Rieman

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 1>and Mankowski, laying really the foundations for relativity that Einstein

0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 1>would later pull together in the early nineteen hundreds and

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 1>teach us a whole new way to think about space

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:57.799
<v Speaker 1>and time. So she was around during a sort of

0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:01.279
<v Speaker 1>very exciting time when mathematics was really informing physics. And

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 1>she came from a wealthy family and had academic background.

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 1>She professors in her family. But because she was a woman,

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:12.239
<v Speaker 1>she was not even allowed to enroll in university. Like

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 1>it's just not a thing that women could do back then, Right,

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:18.840
<v Speaker 1>this is like before Mary Curie became the first woman

0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:20.799
<v Speaker 1>in France to get a PhD. You know, it's just

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:23.239
<v Speaker 1>like not something that women were allowed to do. Its

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:25.919
<v Speaker 1>mind boggling now, but it was sort of the way

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:28.719
<v Speaker 1>things were back then. Yeah, it's pretty tragic. And she

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 1>was born in Germany or yeah, she's German. She was

0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:35.640
<v Speaker 1>born in Bavaria, and she wanted to study in Gottingen

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and they just didn't allow it until nineteen o three

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:42.200
<v Speaker 1>when they finally allowed women to enroll. She'd been sitting

0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:45.280
<v Speaker 1>in on lectures of course for a while, not officially enrolled,

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:47.279
<v Speaker 1>but then she was allowed to enroll, and then in

0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:50.719
<v Speaker 1>nineteen o seven she was only the second woman ever

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 1>to earn a PhD in mathematics in the world, right, basically, yeah,

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:59.680
<v Speaker 1>in the world. And you know, they're famous folks out there, Hilbert,

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm Minkowski Shortschild. All these folks knew her, and they

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:06.560
<v Speaker 1>all knew and said that she was smarter than they were. Wow,

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 1>these are like, you know, seminal you know, mathematicians in physics. Yeah, absolutely,

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:14.879
<v Speaker 1>and yet there were a lot of institutional barriers. For

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:17.680
<v Speaker 1>eight years after she got her PhD, she was doing

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 1>teaching and research and she was not being paid. She

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:24.280
<v Speaker 1>just sort of like volunteering. Nobody would hire her because

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:27.439
<v Speaker 1>she was a woman, even though she was making important contributions.

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:30.920
<v Speaker 1>It's you know, it's really ridiculous. Yeah, that's pretty tragic,

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty crazy. And she actually had to sort of practice

0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:35.560
<v Speaker 1>physics and teach it for free kind of right, because

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.680
<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't hire her. Yeah, exactly, despite her like glowing

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 1>recommendations from seminal folks in the field, she's rejected from

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:45.280
<v Speaker 1>position after position just because she was a woman. Hilbert

0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:48.720
<v Speaker 1>is a famous mathematician. He wanted her to teach because

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 1>she was also a great teacher, but they refused to

0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:53.359
<v Speaker 1>give her the position. So what he did was he

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:55.400
<v Speaker 1>signed up to teach the class and then he hired

0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 1>her basically to be his t a and then he

0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:00.279
<v Speaker 1>just never showed up, So she taught the class enough.

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:04.719
<v Speaker 1>That's noble or lazy or both somehow both, I'm not sure.

0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:06.719
<v Speaker 1>But you know, she came from a wealthy background, so

0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 1>she was able to just keep working even though she

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:12.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a salary. And after World War One, she

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.840
<v Speaker 1>finally was able to get an academic position, but they

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.880
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't pay her. So they're like finally letting her in

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:19.680
<v Speaker 1>the door, but like, yeah, but we're drawing the line

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:22.719
<v Speaker 1>at providing you any funding or any money for your work.

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Talk about like unequal pay. That's the ultimate inequality. And

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 1>around the time that Einstein was developed in general relativity,

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:32.399
<v Speaker 1>people were trying to understand, like what did it mean?

0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:34.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, Einstein had these equations and it took decades

0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 1>for people to really understand what it means. And one

0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 1>of the questions about general relativity was like, what does

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 1>it mean for energy conservation? People thought energy was conserved

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:46.279
<v Speaker 1>back then, but in general relativity they were like, hold

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:49.240
<v Speaker 1>on a second, it's not clear if energy is conserved

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:52.360
<v Speaker 1>in general relativity. What's going on. People knew that Nuther

0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:56.040
<v Speaker 1>was an expert in algebra and in mathematics, a lot

0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:58.799
<v Speaker 1>of which was really important underlying general relativity, so they

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 1>asked her to look at this question, right, because I

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:03.239
<v Speaker 1>think at this point in the history of physics, like

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:06.200
<v Speaker 1>we were at the point where basically Newtonian physics were

0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:09.200
<v Speaker 1>being upturned, right, Like we had relied on Newtonian physics

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:11.840
<v Speaker 1>all the time. People thought they were the thing that

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:14.480
<v Speaker 1>told us the momentum was conserved. But now they had

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:17.080
<v Speaker 1>this whole new sort of class of physics, this whole

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:20.759
<v Speaker 1>new sort of level of quantum and relativity, and so

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:22.600
<v Speaker 1>people were like, wait a minute, what's going on. Is

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:26.560
<v Speaker 1>momentum still conserved according to these new sort of equations, right,

0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:28.200
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of where we were. That's where we were.

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:30.359
<v Speaker 1>People like, well, we think general relativity makes a lot

0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:32.759
<v Speaker 1>of sense. There's a lot to like about it. But

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 1>now we get to ask new questions about it, like

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:38.360
<v Speaker 1>why does it seem that in general relativity energy is

0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily conserved? Under what conditions would you be conserved?

0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:44.240
<v Speaker 1>What does that mean? This is like a big question

0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:47.520
<v Speaker 1>about the nature of these new mathematical and physical discoveries.

0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:49.879
<v Speaker 1>And so she looked into it and she figured out

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:53.080
<v Speaker 1>something really interesting and very deep about the nature of

0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the universe. Wow. She took a little coffee break and

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 1>she came and figured everything out for everybody. I know,

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:01.960
<v Speaker 1>all these folks who were like paid and had full professorships,

0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:04.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, and this is their job. They like asked

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 1>the volunteer mathematician who they excluded from academic positions to

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:10.839
<v Speaker 1>come and solve their problem. And she did, and then

0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:13.960
<v Speaker 1>she went back into mathematics. Right, that's wild and it's

0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 1>interesting too. Because she was surrounded by all these like

0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:19.800
<v Speaker 1>famous mathematicians, right, she worked with them, Hilbert Schwartshell. I

0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>mean these are big names, even not just in math

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:25.920
<v Speaker 1>but also in physics, like you know the Shortschild radius

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 1>of a black hole. Right, Absolutely all these folks knew

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:30.759
<v Speaker 1>her and had great respect for her. And it's a

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 1>little sad that in the telling of these stories later on,

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:37.319
<v Speaker 1>she was mostly omitted from it. Even though she made

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:39.719
<v Speaker 1>this really seminal contribution, which we'll talk about in just

0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:42.080
<v Speaker 1>a moment, history has largely forgotten about her. And like

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I think, if you ask people who made the most

0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:47.239
<v Speaker 1>important contributions to physics in the last century, you'd get Einstein,

0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:49.919
<v Speaker 1>you might get Shortinger, but like, no, there is up there,

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:53.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe even more important than Einstein, and yet almost nobody

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:57.000
<v Speaker 1>knows about her. Wow, up there with Einstein. All right, Well,

0:44:57.080 --> 0:44:59.920
<v Speaker 1>let's get into what exactly she did, Like, what was

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:01.840
<v Speaker 1>the breakthrough that she had, What was the connection that

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:04.400
<v Speaker 1>she made? So it sounds very simple, but the connection

0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:07.799
<v Speaker 1>she made was that any symmetry you have in your

0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:11.960
<v Speaker 1>equations will generate a conservation law. What that means is

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 1>that any conservation you see in the universe any time

0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:18.359
<v Speaker 1>you see something being conserved, you don't understand it. What

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 1>it means is that it comes from some symmetry. Right,

0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:25.359
<v Speaker 1>there's always some symmetry which produces a conservation law. So,

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:29.279
<v Speaker 1>for example, conservation of momentum comes from the fact that

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.600
<v Speaker 1>space is the same everywhere. If you shift your experiment

0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:35.120
<v Speaker 1>from here to over there, you don't get a different answer.

0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 1>That's why momentum is concerned. Can you maybe go a

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 1>little bit into more detail, like why is that? Why

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:42.839
<v Speaker 1>is it that having the equations be the same here

0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:47.440
<v Speaker 1>or there results or gives us conservation of momentum. We'll

0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:50.520
<v Speaker 1>remember that what we're talking about is that physics doesn't change. Right,

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 1>So you shift your whole experiment from here to there,

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:56.040
<v Speaker 1>you get the same equations of motion, and the equations

0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:58.360
<v Speaker 1>of motion if you know anything about like Hamiltonian or

0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Lagrange and mechanics, these equations only depend on the derivatives

0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 1>of your position, how your position changes with time, not

0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:09.719
<v Speaker 1>the actual value of the position. Right, And so if

0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:12.440
<v Speaker 1>you take your position and you add a constant to it,

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:15.600
<v Speaker 1>you know x goes to x plus a, then the

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:19.000
<v Speaker 1>derivatives don't change because when you take the derivative a disappears.

0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:22.280
<v Speaker 1>The equations emotions you get when you shift your position

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:25.440
<v Speaker 1>don't change because the equations of emotion only depend on

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the derivative, and the derivative of your position is your velocity,

0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:33.040
<v Speaker 1>which is closely connected to your momentum. That's sort of

0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:36.839
<v Speaker 1>like a sketch for why the symmetry in position gives

0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:40.239
<v Speaker 1>you conservation of momentum, because the equations of motion only

0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:44.000
<v Speaker 1>depend on the derivative of the position, not the position themselves.

0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I think what you're saying is that the equations of

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:49.319
<v Speaker 1>motion of the universe basically don't have pocisition in them.

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:51.880
<v Speaker 1>They just have velocities in them. Yeah. Another way to

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.400
<v Speaker 1>think about it is that they only have relative positions.

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:57.960
<v Speaker 1>You shift everything over, nothing changes. It's only changes in

0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:00.920
<v Speaker 1>position are important. That's what the equation of motion are about,

0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:05.239
<v Speaker 1>and changes the position is velocity, and velocity is basically momentum. Right.

0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 1>But I guess the question then, is why this the

0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:10.759
<v Speaker 1>fact that it's the same here or there? Well, why

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:13.920
<v Speaker 1>does that mean that? You know? Objects in motion stay

0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:16.800
<v Speaker 1>in motion, and objects and address stay and rest. It

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:19.960
<v Speaker 1>might seem weird to connect these two quantities momentum, right

0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:23.160
<v Speaker 1>and position, but you know, there's another great advance in

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:25.680
<v Speaker 1>the early part of this century that connected momentum position,

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:27.879
<v Speaker 1>that told us that there was a close relationship between

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 1>these two quantities, And that's quantum mechanics, which, like the

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Heisenberg and certainty principle, tells you that momentum and position

0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:37.440
<v Speaker 1>are closely related to each other because one is basically

0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:40.520
<v Speaker 1>like the foury transform of the other one. And so

0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:43.960
<v Speaker 1>these two quantities are like really coupled together. And so

0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:47.279
<v Speaker 1>the fact that you can shift your experiment over by

0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:50.280
<v Speaker 1>ten meters or by light year and it doesn't change

0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 1>the answer tells you something about the relationship between momentum

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:57.319
<v Speaker 1>and position, and so that's sort of where it originates.

0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:03.720
<v Speaker 1>To help at all, let's try this. Maybe, let's assume

0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:07.239
<v Speaker 1>that the equations of the universe were not symmetric, right, Like,

0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:10.280
<v Speaker 1>let's say that you know, you didn't have these equations.

0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:14.799
<v Speaker 1>How would that translate to momentum not being conserved? All right, So,

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:19.359
<v Speaker 1>if the equations of motion of the universe depended on position, right,

0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 1>not just changes of position, like if if equals and

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:26.799
<v Speaker 1>may here and if equals three m A and Mars

0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:29.520
<v Speaker 1>not in Mars, but like near than in the neighborhood

0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 1>of Mars. Like, let's say the equations of the universe

0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:35.040
<v Speaker 1>change from here to there, How would that affect whether

0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:37.360
<v Speaker 1>or not a ball of ice cream right throughout Mars

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.080
<v Speaker 1>is going to change velocity. If you're a particle and

0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:43.759
<v Speaker 1>you're moving through a universe where the rules are changing

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:48.320
<v Speaker 1>as you move, right, then your trajectory might change because

0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the rules are the things that govern your trajectory, that

0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:53.800
<v Speaker 1>tell your trajectory how it moves. So if over here

0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:55.879
<v Speaker 1>in our part of the universe, it requires a force

0:48:55.960 --> 0:48:58.919
<v Speaker 1>to change momentum, but over there it doesn't, right, then

0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:01.719
<v Speaker 1>your momentum might change without anybody applying a force to

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.040
<v Speaker 1>it in that part of the universe. And so your

0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:06.960
<v Speaker 1>momentum might be changed just by the fact of moving

0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:10.440
<v Speaker 1>from here to there where where the rules are different. Right,

0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:12.640
<v Speaker 1>But what if nothing interacts with my ice cream wall

0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:15.560
<v Speaker 1>from here to there, why would it change or how

0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:18.000
<v Speaker 1>could it change velocity? You know what I mean? How

0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:20.239
<v Speaker 1>could the momentum change? Or maybe like, are you saying

0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:23.160
<v Speaker 1>that maybe the definition of momentum would change, You're assuming

0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:26.400
<v Speaker 1>implicitly there that you need to interact with somebody to

0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:29.560
<v Speaker 1>change its momentum, which is assuming conservation of momentum. But

0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:32.319
<v Speaker 1>in this example, we're talking about a universe where the

0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:34.560
<v Speaker 1>rules are different from one place to another, and so

0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:37.799
<v Speaker 1>you don't have conservation and momentum, and so it would

0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:41.479
<v Speaker 1>break pretty basic fundamental things like that things could change

0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:45.399
<v Speaker 1>momentum without anything interacting with it. That would break Well,

0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 1>let's say like here on Earth or in our neighborhood,

0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:50.279
<v Speaker 1>it's E equals they may, but near Mars it's e

0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:53.400
<v Speaker 1>equals three m A. Right, like, if I apply a force,

0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:55.160
<v Speaker 1>I need three times the amount of force to get

0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:58.400
<v Speaker 1>something to accelerate. Would that break the laws of conservation

0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:01.200
<v Speaker 1>momentum or not? Yeah, absolute, it would because remember force

0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:04.480
<v Speaker 1>is a change of momentum, and so it's talking about

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:07.960
<v Speaker 1>is having a different change in momentum over here and

0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:10.960
<v Speaker 1>over there. So you'd have to have some like gradual

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:13.680
<v Speaker 1>change in the laws between here and there, and then

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:17.240
<v Speaker 1>you know the same acceleration would require a different force

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:20.279
<v Speaker 1>here and over there, and so that would mean a

0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:23.120
<v Speaker 1>different change in momentum. So absolutely, what are you saying,

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 1>or are you saying the ball would slow down or

0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the ball would speed up? In that case, it would

0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:30.120
<v Speaker 1>slow down because effectively you'd be increasing its mass to

0:50:30.280 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 1>like three m without changing its momentum, so its velocity

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.399
<v Speaker 1>would drop. Are you're saying because there's no force, then

0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:40.000
<v Speaker 1>because we sort of change the mass kind of, then

0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:43.919
<v Speaker 1>the velocity would change. Yeah. Um, it gets pretty hard

0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:47.640
<v Speaker 1>to do these calculations because your intuition really assumes that

0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:50.319
<v Speaker 1>these things are conserved. Right. Well, I guess what I'm

0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:52.640
<v Speaker 1>trying to do is get a you know, kind of

0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:55.200
<v Speaker 1>an in twitest sense of what you mean when you say,

0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:58.520
<v Speaker 1>like symmetries equals conservation of of something. I think maybe

0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:01.080
<v Speaker 1>an intuitive way to understand it is to think about

0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:04.080
<v Speaker 1>just the relative sense of these quantities. You know, like,

0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:06.840
<v Speaker 1>we know that no place in the universe is different

0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:09.359
<v Speaker 1>from any other place. We also know that the only

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:13.120
<v Speaker 1>important thing is not your position, but your relative velocity. Right,

0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:15.640
<v Speaker 1>those two really are saying the same thing, that what

0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:18.000
<v Speaker 1>matters is not where you are in the universe, but

0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:22.480
<v Speaker 1>your velocity relative to that stuff. So momentum is important

0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:25.440
<v Speaker 1>and not position. That's why momentum is conserved and not

0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.120
<v Speaker 1>like location. So I think that's the most intuitive way

0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:31.000
<v Speaker 1>to think about it. You know that underlying you, there's

0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:34.360
<v Speaker 1>no fixed grid where somebody is measuring your position is

0:51:34.400 --> 0:51:37.240
<v Speaker 1>just about how you're moving relative to stuff that's important,

0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:40.319
<v Speaker 1>not your location. One way to say that is while

0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:42.080
<v Speaker 1>you can move your experiment somewhere else and get the

0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:44.560
<v Speaker 1>same answer. Another way to say that is, actually the

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:48.840
<v Speaker 1>important thing is motion, not position, and that's conservation and momentum.

0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe you're telling me that you sort of

0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:53.280
<v Speaker 1>have to go into the math to really understand that connection,

0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Like it sort of comes comes from the math. But

0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:57.880
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of hard to really see it from an

0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:00.880
<v Speaker 1>intuitive point of view because maybe we are so ingrain

0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:03.439
<v Speaker 1>in this idea of conservation, but we can't think of

0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:05.400
<v Speaker 1>of things not being conservad Yeah, I used to think

0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I had intuitive understanding of it until you ask me

0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of questions about it, and now I'm not

0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:13.319
<v Speaker 1>so sure. I've destroyed the conservation of knowledge in your brain.

0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:17.279
<v Speaker 1>But it is very simple mathematically and very deep and fascinating.

0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:20.879
<v Speaker 1>You can take this example that translations in space lead

0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:23.640
<v Speaker 1>to conservation momentum and apply to lots of other things,

0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:25.719
<v Speaker 1>and it also holds. That's why I know if the

0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:29.400
<v Speaker 1>theorem is so powerful, it doesn't just explain conservation momentum,

0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:32.480
<v Speaker 1>it also explains other conservation laws that we see in

0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:35.759
<v Speaker 1>the universe. For example, you can apply the same thing

0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:39.840
<v Speaker 1>to rotation. Right. We don't care about the orientation of

0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:42.120
<v Speaker 1>anything in the universe because there's no up or down.

0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:45.040
<v Speaker 1>There's no preferred direction. The same way there's no preferred location.

0:52:45.560 --> 0:52:49.040
<v Speaker 1>That's why we have conservation of angular momentum because rotation

0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:54.759
<v Speaker 1>is not fundamental, but relative rotations are. Rotational velocity is important,

0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:58.160
<v Speaker 1>and so we have conservation of angular momentum because the

0:52:58.280 --> 0:53:00.799
<v Speaker 1>universe can be rotated through in our during angle and

0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:03.640
<v Speaker 1>nothing changes. Right. I think what you're saying is that

0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:07.839
<v Speaker 1>she sort of drew that connection between these mathematical symmetries

0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:11.520
<v Speaker 1>and these sort of physical ideas of conservation of things,

0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 1>like things overall, if you look at them at the system,

0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:16.640
<v Speaker 1>they don't change. And she said, hey, that's because you

0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:20.200
<v Speaker 1>have these symmetries in these equations like they're they're they're

0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:22.120
<v Speaker 1>sort of one and the same exactly, not just a

0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:25.279
<v Speaker 1>symmetry and the equation a symmetry in the universe. Right,

0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:29.440
<v Speaker 1>conservation momentum tells you that space is the same everywhere.

0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:32.320
<v Speaker 1>That's a big conclusion. Right, If momentum really is conserved

0:53:32.360 --> 0:53:34.760
<v Speaker 1>everywhere in the universe. It tells you there's no different

0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:37.560
<v Speaker 1>place in space. Every place in space is the same.

0:53:37.600 --> 0:53:40.520
<v Speaker 1>It's not just the equations. It's like the universe, man,

0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:45.319
<v Speaker 1>the universe, man. So what exactly is the theorem? Like,

0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:48.120
<v Speaker 1>how do you de verbalize that theorem? The theorem is

0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:53.000
<v Speaker 1>that every continuous symmetry of the lagrange in which describes

0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:56.919
<v Speaker 1>the motion and interaction of particles, leads to a conservation law.

0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:01.080
<v Speaker 1>So continuous symmetry like translation in space, a rotation in space,

0:54:01.480 --> 0:54:04.799
<v Speaker 1>or shifting in time. The original question she was trying

0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:08.960
<v Speaker 1>to ask is is energy conserved in generalativity? And if not,

0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:12.120
<v Speaker 1>why not? And so this was her answer. Her answer was,

0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:14.920
<v Speaker 1>if space doesn't change with time, if the laws of

0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:18.319
<v Speaker 1>the universe don't change in time, then energy is conserved.

0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:20.680
<v Speaker 1>If the laws in the universe do change in time,

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:24.280
<v Speaker 1>then energy is not conserved. Sort of blew everybody's minds

0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:27.879
<v Speaker 1>when she discovered that. WHOA, So she sort of made

0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:31.160
<v Speaker 1>a bridge between the new physics and the old physics,

0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:33.960
<v Speaker 1>right or she provided kind of the answer that said, hey,

0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:36.040
<v Speaker 1>they're all sort of one and the same. Yeah, she

0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:39.960
<v Speaker 1>helped us understand why these conservation laws appear and under

0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:42.840
<v Speaker 1>what conditions they do, and of course, for decades afterwards

0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:46.000
<v Speaker 1>people were like, well, obviously energy is conserved in the universe,

0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:48.239
<v Speaker 1>and so therefore the rules of physics must be the

0:54:48.280 --> 0:54:50.360
<v Speaker 1>same as a function of time. Now, of course, we

0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:52.920
<v Speaker 1>know the universe is expanding, and that means that energy

0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:56.080
<v Speaker 1>is not conserved because space is changing with time. Right,

0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:58.359
<v Speaker 1>So you know, if the theorem is still teaching us

0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:00.759
<v Speaker 1>things about the nature of the universe, the fact that

0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:03.520
<v Speaker 1>the universe is expanding means that energy is not conserved.

0:55:03.640 --> 0:55:06.680
<v Speaker 1>And we know why because it sort of breaks her theorem,

0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:09.480
<v Speaker 1>or it's outside of her theorem, because there isn't a

0:55:09.480 --> 0:55:12.960
<v Speaker 1>symmetry with time, which is why we don't have energy conservation.

0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:16.400
<v Speaker 1>If the universe was symmetric in time, if space was

0:55:16.440 --> 0:55:18.920
<v Speaker 1>the same size and not expanding, then we would have

0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:22.400
<v Speaker 1>energy conservation. So we know why we don't have energy

0:55:22.400 --> 0:55:24.600
<v Speaker 1>conservation just the same way we know why we do

0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:27.680
<v Speaker 1>have momentum conservation. All right, Well, I think that sort

0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:30.359
<v Speaker 1>of answer is the main question of the episode, which

0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:32.840
<v Speaker 1>is wise momentum conserved, And it seems like the answer

0:55:33.000 --> 0:55:35.399
<v Speaker 1>is that it's it's sort of like baked into the

0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:38.840
<v Speaker 1>equations of the universe, like it's because the equations of

0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:42.360
<v Speaker 1>the universe don't change no matter where you put them. Yeah,

0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:45.719
<v Speaker 1>it's because space is the same everywhere in the universe.

0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:49.160
<v Speaker 1>That's why momentum is conserved. Well, it's everywhere. It's the

0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:51.800
<v Speaker 1>same everywhere in the universe, but not everywhere in time,

0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.840
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's changing, but it's changing everywhere at the

0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:57.680
<v Speaker 1>same time. I think it's what you're saying. Space is expanding,

0:55:57.719 --> 0:56:00.520
<v Speaker 1>it is changing, but the rules of the universe are

0:56:00.520 --> 0:56:03.040
<v Speaker 1>the same at every location in space. Yeah, there's no

0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:05.760
<v Speaker 1>different parts of space. Is like vanilla space and chocolate

0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:08.839
<v Speaker 1>space and strawberry space. It's all the same space. That's

0:56:08.840 --> 0:56:14.040
<v Speaker 1>all the same swirl exactly. You only get one option,

0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:17.240
<v Speaker 1>and that's one kind of space swirl in this universe.

0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:20.279
<v Speaker 1>I see. But if we do maybe find out some

0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:23.279
<v Speaker 1>time in the future that space is different, like at

0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the borders or at the edges, or maybe in the

0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:29.640
<v Speaker 1>next universe over, then maybe momentum wouldn't be conserved. Yeah, exactly.

0:56:29.719 --> 0:56:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Maybe momentum will be dethroned the way energy was, or

0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:35.800
<v Speaker 1>at least, you know, not dethroned. But just like hey,

0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:39.560
<v Speaker 1>it would confirm there's theorem actually in a way right. Yeah,

0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:42.239
<v Speaker 1>And if you're interested in other weird quantum applications in

0:56:42.360 --> 0:56:45.200
<v Speaker 1>other's theorem, check out our episode about gauge symmetry, which

0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:48.520
<v Speaker 1>relies heavily on this idea and which promised to have

0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:51.279
<v Speaker 1>a whole episode diving into another's theorem. So here it is.

0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:54.960
<v Speaker 1>But Another's theorem also explains why we have like conserved

0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:57.880
<v Speaker 1>electric charges in the universe that comes from an internal

0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:01.680
<v Speaker 1>quantum symmetry and also to they're weird, conservation laws in

0:57:01.760 --> 0:57:06.320
<v Speaker 1>particle physics come from symmetries we see in the equations

0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:09.120
<v Speaker 1>of particle physics and are powered by Neuthers theorem. Well,

0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:11.239
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there are two big lessons here. One

0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:13.799
<v Speaker 1>is that sometimes even that like the things that seem

0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:16.320
<v Speaker 1>intuitive and the universe have a deep sort of mathematical

0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:19.040
<v Speaker 1>route in the in how the universe works. And then

0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:22.920
<v Speaker 1>you should always ask mathematicians for help with your physics problems. Yeah,

0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:25.240
<v Speaker 1>they're like the nine one one of the physics world.

0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Like we've been trying for centuries. Can you guys, you know,

0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:31.400
<v Speaker 1>take a break and help us out. Yeah. Well, that

0:57:31.440 --> 0:57:34.640
<v Speaker 1>part of history is really rich with fascinating mathematics that

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<v Speaker 1>was developed for decades just had a pure interest in

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<v Speaker 1>mathematics and then oh it turns out to be really

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<v Speaker 1>helpful and solve important problems in physics. Yeah. And I

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<v Speaker 1>guess the other interesting thing is here is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, there was someone who is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of outside of academa right, kind of unjustly so and

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<v Speaker 1>justly so. She's excluded, but she still made this amazing contribution.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, these breakthroughs can come from anywhere. Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>And we really should have much more different city in

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<v Speaker 1>physics and in mathematics and in academia because we need

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts to solve the tough problems that are facing us.

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<v Speaker 1>So happy birthday, I mean author, and thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>all your contributions. Yeah for sure, thank you. Let's all

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<v Speaker 1>have a scoop of space Sworld ice cream and to

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate her birthday. Yeah, and expand the space around our

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<v Speaker 1>waistload's a little bit and know our minds with what

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<v Speaker 1>it all means. All right, Well, I think that um

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<v Speaker 1>answers a question and it tells us some pretty deep

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<v Speaker 1>things about the universe. We hope you enjoyed that. Thanks

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