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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? This is very exciting, you guys. We

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Speaker 1: are in the sidebar part of Are You a Charlotte,

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Speaker 1: which is catching up with friends, and here we have

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Speaker 1: the incredible John Benjaminicky.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now we are a little bit past his episode. I've

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Speaker 1: been trying to get him on. Okay, he's a hot ticket,

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Speaker 1: you guys.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize.

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Speaker 1: I was so busy. Yeah, we were much desired.

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Speaker 3: Trying to figure out what I was doing that I

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Speaker 3: could be so unavailable.

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Speaker 2: But here I am.

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Speaker 1: That's okay. It was important stuff. You told me at

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Speaker 1: the premiere what you're doing, and I totally understand. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's okay, it's okay, but you're here now and that's

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Speaker 1: all that matters. So John is in the first season,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: We thought it was like later on in the run.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I would have probably said end of the second

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Speaker 1: Which I think of as our best season. If we

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Speaker 2: My episode for your episode, that's.

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Speaker 1: Why I'm saying I would put it in the bed

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Speaker 1: because it's such a good episode and it was written

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Speaker 1: John plays the Catholic Guy. He has a real name,

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Speaker 1: Catholic Guy. That's what we call him in the shorthand

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Speaker 1: to the friends. And he's opposite Cynthia and they are incredible.

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Speaker 1: This episode was directed by Matthew Harrison. We don't have

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Speaker 3: If I never remember the direct vivid memories of MPK

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Speaker 3: I know, but that's not because he didn't direct a

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Speaker 3: great episode.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, because that's an episode.

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Speaker 1: This is a good point. And you also direct, so

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Speaker 1: you know very well. You know very well, so tell

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Speaker 1: us your memories and your thoughts about the new It

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how is this a G rated program?

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Speaker 3: Okay, great, Well, what I vividly remember is being on

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Speaker 3: So what I remember most vividly is being in bed

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Speaker 1: There you go. Very memorable. I mean the thing about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no she doesn't. But listen, this is the all

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Speaker 3: of your reputations precede you when actors go on your show.

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Speaker 3: And this was true twenty how many years ago, twenty.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean it's funny because she sometimes I would

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Speaker 1: Like amazing, like an old Mary com I know, really

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Speaker 3: rising It's called on the Bum with Cynthia, which is

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Speaker 2: I think she would say the same.

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Speaker 3: It's just an amazing group of actors, a very large

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Speaker 2: You really rose in the ranks. You rose in her eyes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I feel like I knew going in

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Speaker 3: And I vividly remember MPK and the wonderful director saying

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Speaker 1: Thank you. That's so nice, really is so tell me

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Speaker 2: that's yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm like trying to juggle kittens meeting and Matthew's like,

440
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 3: why don't you just sit here and we'll do the scene.

441
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 2: It's like that totally Okay.

442
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: We got off on a Matthew tangent, which is rare

443
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 1: because almost no one has Matthew's story.

444
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I have to you should get Matthew

445
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 3: on this podcast.

446
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll do it. I mean every time

447
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: I see him, I'm just like and he's like, oh God,

448
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 1: there she comes.

449
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 2: You'll get it, You'll get it.

450
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 1: Maybe that would be awesome because I love to hear

451
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: the memories of the beginning. And that's part of the

452
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 1: reason I wanted to do the podcast is because everyone

453
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 1: was in such different places, coming from such different worlds.

454
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 1: I mean, even Cynthia and Sarah who had worked together,

455
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,719
Speaker 1: known each other their whole lives almost still very different experiences,

456
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: and then we all came together in this kind of

457
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 1: crazy thing that just formed a.

458
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Speaker 3: New and yeah, and everybody has what do they call it?

459
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 3: You know a sprie descalier, which is the French expression

460
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 3: for spirit of the staircase, the thing you like if

461
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 3: you and I are in a big fight and on

462
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 3: my way home, what I should have said to her was,

463
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 3: you know you remember the thing? So you have this

464
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: odd twenty twenty hindsight with the show, like you always

465
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 3: thought or somehow knew that it could be what it

466
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 3: has become.

467
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Speaker 2: And no, not at all. Yeah, never in a million years.

468
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Speaker 1: You know who could have jumped?

469
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Speaker 3: Okay, I know this is you interviewed, but now you

470
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 3: signed on. Were you like gung ho?

471
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

472
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 1: Oh I'm the most gung home. Yeah, I'm the most

473
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: gung host still to this day.

474
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Speaker 2: Well that's fantastic.

475
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Speaker 1: But in the beginning, because I was in La right,

476
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: but I had been an out of work actor here

477
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: right after I went to records right with Bill Asper

478
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: and everybody.

479
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, brilliant, brilliant Bills, I know.

480
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Speaker 1: Incredible, And I moved here like everybody did, and we

481
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 1: were poor and you know, you waitress and you auditioned

482
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: and whatnot, which is hard to be poor here, absolutely right.

483
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: And then I went out to Berkeley. I did a

484
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: play and it was pilot season my agent said, come

485
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: down to LA on Mondays because there's so many parts

486
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 1: you could play, because I was still playing pretty young

487
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: at that point, and I was young, and I was

488
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: playing even younger.

489
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Speaker 2: Do you play you were doing?

490
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,239
Speaker 1: I was doing Oh my god, Oh my god, my god,

491
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm not.

492
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Speaker 2: Going to Berkeley Rep. Yes, that's where I was when

493
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: I couldn't do your podcast.

494
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 3: I was doing the production of Uncle Vanya with Hugh

495
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 3: Bonneville at Berkeley brilliant Speed of Light.

496
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I feel like I don't.

497
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 3: I feel like I know that play and if you

498
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 3: gave me more time, I would know who wrote it

499
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Speaker 3: right now.

500
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Speaker 1: It's a it's a great playwright who I think went

501
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: to records. Yeah, yeah, my god, we have to look

502
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: this up. Anyway, I was there, which was incredible. It's

503
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: a special, special place. I love Berkeley Rep much. It

504
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: was great. It was great. But I went down to La.

505
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: It was sunny. I auditioned for sitcoms. I was like, m,

506
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: this seems an easier life than then the New York

507
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 1: City as a poor person, right, it's more work than

508
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: and now it's totally floating, which is so sad, But

509
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: what can you do? So I went I ended up

510
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: moving to la and then eventually a few years later,

511
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: I mean I don't remember how many, but a lot

512
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: of auditions later got Melrose. Then Darren sent me the

513
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: script and I was like New York City, like walking

514
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: the streets. Four lead characters that are women, unheard of

515
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: HBO confused that had the boxing.

516
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 3: But hey, yeah, not no other show pre Sopranos. You

517
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,959
Speaker 3: were it, right, So yeah, I've been a couple of

518
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: those dream.

519
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: On and also Larry Sanders, yes, which was obviously, but

520
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: that's what I thought. We would be a small cult

521
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: like very industry you know, loved show and which has

522
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: lived on of course because it's so great, right, it's.

523
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: Weirdly, it's still that what you just described. It's also

524
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: just a global phenomenon as well.

525
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, which is a weird. Like it's a very

526
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: weird and wonderful thing that happened. But in my gut

527
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: I felt the potential. I never could have dreamt two

528
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: movies and another there is no precedent to that, so

529
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: that wouldn't have come. But to me, I felt, yes,

530
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: it's very special and I will do whatever I have

531
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: to do to be on that show. Yeah, those women

532
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: and then once they told me Sarah because when they

533
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: Darren first sent it to me to read for Carrie,

534
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: and I could the way she was on the page

535
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: was much more like Candace is, you know, persona, and

536
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't pull that off, smoking and swearing and you

537
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 1: know the girl. I was like that people are going

538
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: to laugh at me, right, So I was like, Darren,

539
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: please don't make me audition for that. I need to

540
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: beat this other one who was kind of in the

541
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: side over here that's me. And you know, thank god,

542
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: he listens and you.

543
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 3: Really recognize, like, oh, I've got a think I relate

544
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 3: to this part. That's incredible because it's like all of

545
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: you were born to play those.

546
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 2: Parts, you know.

547
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: I know, we're so lucky that we found I do

548
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 3: remember in the early days of casting. I remember so

549
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: so so Sarah and I certainly were hanging out enough

550
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: to where she would talk to me about people that

551
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 3: she was interested in for I think was probably Symanthic,

552
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 3: because I think Cynthia was in early on.

553
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Cynthia wasn't, but she didn't feel she was in,

554
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: like they kept her dangling, do you.

555
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: Know what I mean?

556
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: And then I remember at one point they were talking

557
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: about hiring like a stand up comic or whatever from Miranda,

558
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: like they didn't know what to do, you know.

559
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And now that I'm really thinking about it, your

560
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 3: brilliant casting director Jennifer Macnami.

561
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: Yes, but I don't think we had her for the pilot.

562
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: I think we had Kerry Barton.

563
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: Kerry Barton, Kerry carry.

564
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: Jennifer when the show started, it was so great.

565
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 3: And Jennifer's assistant, I think on that first season was

566
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 3: my old college friend, Camille Hickman is her name, And

567
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: Camille now works at Lincoln Center and she's one of

568
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: the great casting directors in New York. And she and

569
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: I had been best buddies at Fordham University, where I

570
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 3: had gone some ten years before Sex in the City,

571
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 3: and she would talk to me about this show is

572
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 3: so exciting and it's so weird and odd.

573
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody's going to see it.

574
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Speaker 3: And I also remember very vividly Camille had a small

575
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Speaker 3: part as one of the talking yes because did you do.

576
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: Talking heads through the whole first season?

577
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: Yes, And I mean we just Sarah Jessica just looks

578
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: at the camera. In the last episode I watched which

579
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: is in the second season, and you know she hated it.

580
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she hated it so much. But she looks

581
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: at the camera and then she makes a face which

582
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: I think was about having to talk to the camera.

583
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 3: Of course, do you have you I'm sure you've probably

584
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: talked about it on the show. When was that decision made,

585
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 3: like we don't need.

586
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: To do this.

587
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: I feel like it was an ongoing thing. Michael Patrick hated.

588
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: Oh he did the talking to the camera. Melfie hated

589
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: the people on the.

590
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: Street sidebar John Melfie who went to Ford him with

591
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 3: me and Camille. So I knew Melfie some ten twelve years.

592
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 3: Malfie and I'd known each other forty something years.

593
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: I don't even know this incredible Malfie is the unsung

594
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: hero of our whole entire world. I told him in

595
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: Paris that he's got to come on the podcast. He

596
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: looked a little scared, because I think he likes his

597
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: secrets to remain on camera.

598
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: Nobody knows more stories and knows where more bodies are buried.

599
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 2: John Melphie.

600
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 1: I know that's why I got to get him in

601
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: that chair. You better believe, right, I know I got

602
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 1: to loosen him up and get him in the chair.

603
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: But he would tell everything about everything, which would be great.

604
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: But he when he came he said his secret mission

605
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: was to get rid of the talking heads, and Sarah

606
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: Jessica's very open mission was to get rid of talking

607
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: to the camera, because I remember in the pilot her saying,

608
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, do I have to talk to the camera.

609
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: It's so strange to break the fourth wall. I'm in

610
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: this scene. She's not wrong, I mean, it's a very

611
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: weird thing as an actor to do. And then what

612
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: she told me when she came on was that also

613
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: she had been worried about Ferris Bueller, which I had

614
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: never thought of. Oh wow, yeah, here of course is

615
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: this like you know, her husband's you know, humane iconic

616
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: film that he's done where he so brilliantly talks to

617
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: the camera pretty much the whole time exactly. She felt

618
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: like she was never going to live up to that,

619
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: which is so adorable, which I don't interesting. Yeah, but

620
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: she when I was sitting there, what I remember is

621
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: thinking that I had never seen an actress be able

622
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: to speak so clearly about what they wanted to do

623
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: and what they didn't want to do without being angry

624
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: or historyonic or whatever, just like very clearly articulating why

625
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: it was hard for her, why she felt like she

626
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: wasn't doing it well, how she felt like it was

627
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: better to stay with us in the scene. And I

628
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: was like, yes, yes, I agree with her, not that

629
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: anyone cares what I think over her, but I was like, yeah, yeah,

630
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: that's well put, that's well put. But it took her.

631
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, she's still doing it in season seven, second

632
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: second season, which I didn't even realize.

633
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: That's amazing. I did not know it went on that long.

634
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 3: And frankly, I don't remember her doing it. I remember

635
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: more of the side people yeah doing it than which

636
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: is kind.

637
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: Of interesting, and I think trying to be almost like

638
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: an anthology or like, you know, relating to the fact

639
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: that all kind of people are having all kinds of

640
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: relationship things that you don't know about, right like the

641
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: people on the street, This one's going to tell you

642
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: something surprising. That one's going to tell you something surprising.

643
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 1: I get the idea of, but it was taking story

644
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: time away from the bigger stories here.

645
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: Well, you have twenty five minutes to pack four stories.

646
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: In, right, Yeah, which is hard.

647
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of my partner, Jeff. He's a comedy writer,

648
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: wrote Modern Family for all eleven years, and he's like,

649
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: the hardest thing that there's eleven characters on that show

650
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: and they have twenty two minutes. And that makes me

651
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 3: think about writers like Michael Patrick and all the great writers.

652
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: Jenny Bicks ran The Big Sea, so many great writers

653
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: who have come into your world, and how difficult it

654
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: is to pull that off for four and now, however,

655
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: many you have extraordinary characters, and everybody's got to have

656
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: a story, and everybody needs their time.

657
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: It's true, And I mean, I don't want to spend

658
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: much on this, but sometimes when you see people's criticism,

659
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, do they know how hard it is?

660
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, you know they don't. Yeah, no they don't.

661
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: And you know, I think back to that first season

662
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: because I think we were recently overseas and sometimes you know,

663
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: a show will be on like an older versions of shows,

664
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: And I watched a few episodes and this was long

665
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: before you and I talked about doing this. But what

666
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: I remember when I was watching, it's like, Wow, not

667
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: only was it good, it got more sophisticated, it got

668
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: more maybe clever. It was always super smart. But before

669
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: it had flash, it had such warmth. It had such

670
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: warm I mean, it's the reason why it goes on.

671
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 3: It's because it's a love story. Yeah, love story, and

672
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 3: and and it had a confidence about that love from

673
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: the very get go. Even though the show evolved, I mean,

674
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: you know in that in the same way any great

675
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: writing would evolve. But it even though it took a

676
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: while to figure out we don't need the talking heads,

677
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: we don't it knew you guys, knew who you were.

678
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: It's true. That's what I'm so surprised about when I

679
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: watched the first season.

680
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: Were you was it were some? Was it was? It was? It?

681
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: Was it first season nerve wracking? Or were you more

682
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: nervous when it became so successful? Because some times, you know,

683
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 3: it's scarier when there's a lot of responsibility, like yuah, oh,

684
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: where we're let's not blow this right, you know right?

685
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: I think for me, because there's a whole long story

686
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to bore you with because all of

687
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: our listeners have heard it in my first episode of

688
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: the podcast, when I so I signed in my mind,

689
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: Sara Jessica did not sign a big deal, a big

690
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: pilot deal, which I didn't know about, And it's good

691
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: that I didn't about because I would have been super

692
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: nervous that she wasn't sewed up for like seven years, right,

693
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: But I did sign one. But then during the pilot,

694
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: which we were over budget. It was two point five

695
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: million dollars, which back then was a lot of money

696
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: for the pilot exactly. They were trying to cut costs,

697
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: and they tried to get me to sign a new

698
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: contract that would revoke my previous contract and make me

699
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: a series recurring for five thousand dollars an episode. Oh

700
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: my god, I know.

701
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: Thank you. Heny tried to do this during all your ship.

702
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: Well that that's awful, I know, thank you. Yeah, what

703
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: it suggests is that you don't have the cough like that.

704
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm not. You're not seeing I'm.

705
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: Trying to cut corners. You're like, wait a minute, Yeah,

706
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: I know.

707
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: So I knew this, Brandon, tell you, I'm executives. I know,

708
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: and no one will take responsibility.

709
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: Somebody knew.

710
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: Somebody knew. I think those people aren't with us anymore. Yeah, whatever.

711
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: So I haven't gotten to the absolute bottom of it,

712
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: but I have. It's been very therapeutic. For me to

713
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: talk about it, because I'd never realize that. I never

714
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: told Sarah, I never told Cynthia. I never talked about

715
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: it except to my team. Because what I did was

716
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: this line producer knocked on my door, just hand me

717
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: this paper and said you need to sign this. And

718
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, what's this and I read. I

719
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god. And I called my lawyer,

720
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: who's still my lawyer all these many years later, and

721
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: he said, don't sign the paper. Take it home and

722
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: tell them that you forgot.

723
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: Brilliant loves this lawyer every day.

724
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: I know Jason Sloan incredible daughter Charlotte.

725
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 4: For that.

726
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: So he says, it's not going to me, but whatever,

727
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: I still love it. So every day they would knock

728
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: and every day I'd be like, oh, I'm sorry, I forgot.

729
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a good girl, like so like it

730
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: took a lot from me. That's how badly I wanted

731
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: to stay on that show as a series regular.

732
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 3: I have to say, it's not an un Charlotte storyline.

733
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: I know, Yeah, that's like, that's the story Michael. I

734
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: would write for her totally. It's so like her and

735
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: she'd be crafty. But it would seem like it was

736
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: under the guise of like, oh mind, yeah.

737
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: Right, I can do that. I can actually do that

738
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: in life. It's kind of amazing what happened to me.

739
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: And what I saw when I looked back at the

740
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: first season was that inside I had the anxiety of

741
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: not being good. Oh of course, I mean yeah, And

742
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: it did work with Charlotte in a lot of ways.

743
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: And also Michael told me when he came on, he thought, oh,

744
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how to write for that character. So

745
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: I was the one who wanted to get married, right,

746
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: and so it took him a while to understand me

747
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: enough and the character enough. And then Jenny came and

748
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: she knew how to write me, which is great because

749
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: she kept on the breast side. It was perfect, brilliant.

750
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: So the piece has come and you can see that

751
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: in my performance. You can see it in the writing

752
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: for sure. But so like when I look at myself,

753
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: there's some some episodes where I'm like, I am really

754
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: literally just trying to walk properly with them.

755
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: You know, wow, yeah, nobody else does.

756
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to walk in those heels, in those

757
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,479
Speaker 1: outfits back in.

758
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 3: Fall Down and look like I belong here back in

759
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: La But you know, I've talked to and I'm sure

760
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: Sarah Jessica would would would has probably talked about this

761
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 3: with you on this podcast. But like every season you

762
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 3: guys start every movie, I will talk to her in

763
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: the first four days and She'll be like, I don't

764
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 3: know what I'm doing, I can't I feel so, I

765
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 3: don't know how to do this, and I'm not good

766
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: at this.

767
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: And like you, that never goes away. True, no matter

768
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: how iconic you guys are, It's true.

769
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 3: You never lose that, and you should We shouldn't of course.

770
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: It's the thing that keeps us alive to act too, Like.

771
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: Why else would you want to do such a crazy

772
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: thing if it didn't bring all the feelings and.

773
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: Challenge us totally?

774
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: That's what we love.

775
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's real no.

776
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 3: Sense of security that's born out of this kind of success.

777
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,479
Speaker 3: In fact, sometimes the very opposite as we talked about,

778
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: can happen.

779
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: It can make you a little more kind of.

780
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: That's true for me because I started out at the

781
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: crazy place of like are they going to keep me

782
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: or not? It did just get better.

783
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 2: And you did that first season and then where you

784
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 2: sort of.

785
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: Like you had to wait and see if they were

786
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: going to fire me.

787
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I lost that. I probably interrupted you. You

788
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: really even when that first season was over how many

789
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 3: episodes thirteen? Yeah, you were like, didn't know, maybe I'll

790
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: come back, maybe I won't exactly, Holy.

791
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: Crap, I know. And I didn't tell any of them,

792
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: which is crazy to me that I didn't tell them,

793
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? But I think that

794
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: if I thought that, if they knew, they'd be like, oh, yeah,

795
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: maybe you're not going to have which of course they

796
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't have, but like I just didn't have the security

797
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: in it all yet.

798
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally.

799
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: So I was just on this like h exactly, didn't.

800
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: Know if it was coming back much less you know,

801
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 2: it wasn't.

802
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: No, we didn't know anything. I didn't know any thing, right,

803
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: So it was all good And then they were then

804
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: they were like, yes, yes, we do need it.

805
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: I was like, thank you God, thank you. Was it

806
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: a rating success its first season?

807
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: You know what? No one ever spoke about the rating?

808
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, those metrics are still to this day.

809
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: I know, right, But I mean for me, I'd come

810
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: from network where like Monday morning you went in and

811
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: everyone was like, oh five point eight to ten point whatever.

812
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: No one cared. I'd be like, does anyone know if

813
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: anyone's watching it? They didn't care. You know what they

814
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: cared about. They cared about press. They wanted press hits.

815
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: Like we worked hard in the beginning. We talked to

816
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: anyone and everyone who would talk to us, because it

817
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: was the traditional press back then. Right, they didn't have

818
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: all the things we have now. And they cared about awards,

819
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: which took us a while to get there, but we did.

820
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: But they that was what made people want to pay.

821
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: You had to pay so much, right, It wasn't just

822
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: how many eyeballs, It was more about the kind of likechet.

823
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: So lucky for us because it did take a while.

824
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 3: You don't, I mean, that's never gone away because it's

825
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: a show about you know, about the people in New

826
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: York City and the way they dress all of you,

827
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: and so that's a big.

828
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 2: Part of the show. The press is a very big

829
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: part of the show.

830
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 1: It is it is, and thank god they still write

831
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: about us.

832
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh god, yeah, as well they should. You mentioned

833
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 3: those big hats in that first season. I wonder if

834
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: they were as big as that hat that Sarah has

835
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 3: all nothing.

836
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: Nothing is as big as that hat.

837
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: Thing is god that I'm sure people are probably talking

838
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: about that.

839
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: They go everywhere just a blanket. It's a great, It

840
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: was a great, it's beyond.

841
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: She has the most incredible knack for dressing of any

842
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: individual I've ever seen. And obviously she does not dress

843
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: like Carrie, which I think is a big, big misconception,

844
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: but her sense of how and what and when and like,

845
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: it's like magic. Watching it. It's incredible.

846
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: It's really, it's really amazing. I directed Sarah, Jessica and

847
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 3: Matthew in this Broadway revival of Plaza Suite.

848
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

849
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm just bringing up all of my career.

850
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: I love to do it, but I it was just

851
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: amazing watching them work together and how extraordinarily different they

852
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 3: are as performers and people, and what kind of chemistry

853
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: that produces. But I just wanted to bring it up

854
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 3: because the legendary costume designer Jane Greenwood did the clothes,

855
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: and she had done Sylvia with Sarah, many things with

856
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 3: her and Matthew, and the way I went to her

857
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 3: costume fittings and they're so great because she's got such

858
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: an unbelievable uncanny sense of lines and every cut of things,

859
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: and Jane, who knows so much more than Sarah, Like

860
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 3: it was a real collaboration. Yeah, and I'm sure, and

861
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: the way it was with Pat and this brilliant new person.

862
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: Yet really Molly's not actually knew she's been here.

863
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: Molly was the path and that's one of the reasons

864
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 3: why she's doing such a great, great job is because

865
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 3: she has a history.

866
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: With Definitely, I mean trust her so much, but she's

867
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: so Molly's also really into the details, like the two

868
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: of them can just go down the rabbit hole of

869
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: like how something was woven or whatever.

870
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 3: It's very Do you spend a lot of time in

871
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 3: wardrobe fittings before each season?

872
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we all do. I mean there's there's a

873
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: lead up. Yeah, there's a lead up like prep. But

874
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: then also during the you know, it doesn't it's never

875
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: very big part of it. And I used to kind

876
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: of kick in screaming. Now I'm like, yeah, I love it, Yeah, yeah, exactly, surrender.

877
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: I love it. You were so spoiled.

878
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: It's such a It's as you said earlier, like you know,

879
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 3: I would have I might have thought it could or

880
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 3: could not be a hit, But never in a million

881
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 3: years would I have imagined what did happen because it's

882
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 3: unprecedented exactly because it's never happened, there's.

883
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: No model for us. And that's partly what I love

884
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: is well. And people can feel all different ways about

885
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: the first movie, the second movie, the new show, whatever,

886
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: I don't care, because to me, we are just creating

887
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: and creating and creating. And I know that we're creating

888
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: from such a sense of love and respect for each

889
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: other and the fact that we love to be together

890
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: and to make a show that people can relate to.

891
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: And you know, our eye has never been on like

892
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: the big success models or whatever. It has been on

893
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: just making a story that.

894
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 3: We love absolutely and and that and that you did

895
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: it on this little wild, wild West furthest place in

896
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 3: the frontier HBO that then became HBO that we know today.

897
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 3: And and then whoever the smart people were who said, yeah,

898
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 3: let's sell this into syndication because one of the things

899
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: being my age being young ish when it all started,

900
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: Sarah's age, that that it would be generational, that incredible,

901
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: So like Wicked is doing that now, is a show

902
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: that young women went to see when they were twelve

903
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 3: years old twenty years ago, and now they're taking their

904
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: daughters to see it.

905
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: Incredible.

906
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: And this show, which was so blue as and where

907
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 3: we started, you know, was so r rated, has become

908
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 3: this thing that people have passed down to their children

909
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: and said, watch this. This is New York City, this

910
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: is friendship, right, this is yeah.

911
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: Right, I know, it's it's incredible, It's really well. I

912
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: just want to say, I'm so happy that you're a

913
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: small but brilliant part of it.

914
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: I was naked in the show, so let's not use

915
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 2: the word small.

916
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: You were mighty fine behind mighty fine. But also, wouldn't

917
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: it be incredible if we could bring Catholic Guy back?

918
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, where's Kavla Guy?

919
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 3: I really do every now and then I've said to

920
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 3: Michael Patrick, like not even about me, Like it would

921
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: be nice to see a couple more of the old timer's, but.

922
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: Like what happened to them, because they're such vivid, vivid characters.

923
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 3: Who was the brilliant I'm sorry, I wish I knew

924
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: his name because I'm such a big fan of his.

925
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: The guy who played Scooter in the first season.

926
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is that guy's name? We never. I don't

927
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: know where he is. He's very good, Oh he was.

928
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: He was very good, unique and odd, like a puppy.

929
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: A little puppy. But that is just mean to him.

930
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: Genius casting all through it. Ben Webber, web Ben Weber.

931
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: But you know when you mentioned Kyle, brilliant Kyle, because

932
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: you and Evan are so brilliant together. I almost feel

933
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: like you've been together forever.

934
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: But no, Look, we've been together a long long time.

935
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, long time.

936
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: But there was Kyle before him, absolutely incredibly vivid and

937
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 1: wonderful as well, just very very different, incredibly Yeah, I've

938
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: been so incredibly lucky before that. There was so many guys.

939
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: Charlotte had so many guys.

940
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're not going to We're not going to

941
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: see Kyle show up at the end of the season.

942
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: You'll never tell.

943
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but we we discussed

944
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: some things, but we you know, this is the thing.

945
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: Harry and Charlotte are the last couple of so I

946
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: don't know that we want to mess.

947
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: They so know each other. That's what I love about

948
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: watching them.

949
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: They they people who've been together at the You know,

950
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: you may may hate each other at times, you may

951
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 3: bore this out of each other. You know the other person,

952
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 3: warts and all. And that's what's great about the writing

953
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: for those two characters. They really they really look at

954
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 3: each other and they see each other.

955
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, Hickey. I knew it would be incredible,

956
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: is it?

957
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: Okay?

958
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: This is the catching up with friends you delivered and

959
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: then so to honor a real.

960
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 3: Thrill and an honor to be here, to have known

961
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: you and admired you for so many years now and

962
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: that it's still going on.

963
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: I know, it's incredible. I'm so happy that you're with us.

964
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: Love to see you always. Let's get Catholic guy back.

965
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: Just hang out with us, doing my squats.

966
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 2: I was doing my squats. The butt is still kind

967
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 2: of perfect.

968
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, thank you so much.

969
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: The Constans Disco Basias