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Speaker 3: And welcome to our mini pod. Welcome home, y'all. This
Speaker 3: is always an amazing Native Land production here where we
Speaker 3: get an opportunity to just sell the complimentary Yeah. No,
Speaker 3: we get an opportunity to that was that was us
Speaker 3: self complimented? Yes, And while we are grieving missing our
Speaker 3: homegirl Tiffany Cross on this show, we do have for
Speaker 3: the first time the three of us joining together for
Speaker 3: this mini pod. And we got an interesting question that
Speaker 3: was asked and I actually, uh, this was this was
Speaker 3: my idea if y'all can't tell, but I want to
Speaker 3: pose it to the larger group. Can we browe that
Speaker 3: question real quick? And then I want to think about it.
Speaker 3: I want to I want Andrew to start with this.
Speaker 2: No, why why a G Because I talked too much?
Speaker 4: I wait, No, I don't do that.
Speaker 3: No, you just covered the whole pod, so rude.
Speaker 5: Hello Native Land Pod. My name is Paula Chandler. I
Speaker 5: am sixty two years old and a native of Washingtonian
Speaker 5: and I have been with you guys from day one.
Speaker 5: My question to the group is, and it's kind of
Speaker 5: a hypothetical but maybe more of a discussion point for
Speaker 5: maybe a mini pod. But there was a bio series
Speaker 5: on Showtime a couple of years ago that featured three
Speaker 5: First Ladies, Michelle Obama, Eleanor Roosevelt, and Betty Ford. And
Speaker 5: there was one scene where Michelle Obama, they and Barack
Speaker 5: were transitioning out of the White House. Trump had been
Speaker 5: voted in in twenty sixteen, and Michelle Obama played Viola
Speaker 5: Davis asked the question do they hate us that much
Speaker 5: to vote this kind of person into office? I'm pair
Speaker 5: for raising, but that's what the gist of it was.
Speaker 5: And my question to the group is what would this
Speaker 5: country look like if Barack Obama was never president?
Speaker 3: Miss Paula, thank you for your thank you for your question,
Speaker 3: thank you for the death.
Speaker 1: Wait can I ask a question, Macaary, Is this the
Speaker 1: same show? I never watched the show, but is this
Speaker 1: the same show? Where Viola Davis looks at who is supposed.
Speaker 4: To be Barack Obama said, because you are nic is
Speaker 4: it that show?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: She made some very strange facial expressions throughout the.
Speaker 4: We need can we run next?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: No, controversial, David.
Speaker 4: She knows I love her, but.
Speaker 2: She played that part hard. It was hard.
Speaker 3: This is the this is y'all are miss see. This
Speaker 3: is why I don't This why I'm not the lead.
Speaker 3: This is this is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: You have the floor, yep.
Speaker 3: So I thought the question. Paula. Shout out to you.
Speaker 3: You look amazing to be fifty years young. Ain't no
Speaker 3: way you sixty two. I know all that whispering you
Speaker 3: doing at you at your desk right there. We love
Speaker 3: it them frames. You've been drinking your water in minding
Speaker 3: your business. It's a great question about what happens. Have
Speaker 3: y'all ever thought about that if Barack Obama was an
Speaker 3: elected president?
Speaker 2: I have you well, let's hear it. I want to
Speaker 2: you were supposed to.
Speaker 3: Haven't know.
Speaker 2: I haven't given a lot of consideration to us.
Speaker 7: I like it.
Speaker 3: H I mean, I may go ahead, Angela, so go
Speaker 3: ahead tell me what you think.
Speaker 1: I feel like I talked a lot in the last show,
Speaker 1: So please have your floor.
Speaker 3: You actually didn't. You didn't talk enough.
Speaker 6: But you didn't.
Speaker 3: You didn't talk enough.
Speaker 4: But like, but I'll have the floor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna take it. But you but you definitely.
Speaker 3: Your voice is definitely so controversial.
Speaker 1: So you go, I'll be sandwiched between the two diplomats.
Speaker 3: Well, I just think that they're too things that there
Speaker 3: are two things that I would say about Barack Obama
Speaker 3: if he was not elected president. The first is that
Speaker 3: there is a picture that I remember from Jacob Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: Y'all may or may not remember Jacob Philadelphia, but at
Speaker 3: the time he was four years old, he was in
Speaker 3: the White House, his parents had just gotten decommissioned, and
Speaker 3: he got an opportunity to ask the president one question,
Speaker 3: and he said, does your hair feel like mine? And
Speaker 3: the shade God as we call him, Pete SUSA, captured
Speaker 3: that image of Barack Obama leaning over and letting Jacob
Speaker 3: Philadelphia shout out to Jacob. I think he just graduated
Speaker 3: college or is in college now, which to make you
Speaker 3: feel old. But I just think that Barack Obama's presidency
Speaker 3: meant so much to an entire generation of young black
Speaker 3: and brown children that they could grow up and be
Speaker 3: anything in the world. There was so much hope just
Speaker 3: about we're not talking about his accomplishments, we're not talking
Speaker 3: about the criticisms we have, We're not talking about him
Speaker 3: using drones. We're not talking about you know, the Affordable
Speaker 3: Care Act, of successes, all of those things. But what
Speaker 3: we are talking about is just what he meant in
Speaker 3: terms of hope for black people, and I think that
Speaker 3: they're there is a lot to say that a black
Speaker 3: man can be president. That's first. Second. I am really
Speaker 3: really pleased at my father and all the work of
Speaker 3: our parents, Eddie Rott, and just the heroes and heroines
Speaker 3: we know, who bled, who got shot, many of which
Speaker 3: who died, who you know, paid the ultimate what Abraham
Speaker 3: Lincoln called the last measure of devotion, so that we
Speaker 3: could make you know, some similance of progress in this country.
Speaker 3: I'm glad they got an opportunity to see, you know,
Speaker 3: a black man get elected in this country. I'm glad
Speaker 3: they got an opportunity to see that. So I think
Speaker 3: the hope and the reward, although you know, you know,
Speaker 3: we've taken multiple steps back, I think I think that
Speaker 3: means a lot. So that's why those those are the
Speaker 3: those are the kind of points I would make if
Speaker 3: he didn't get elected. And I don't know what the
Speaker 3: country looks like without him, but I do know that
Speaker 3: he made a great deal of progress, not as much
Speaker 3: as we would have wanted. And I just think think
Speaker 3: about about going from George W. Bush to Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I go back and forth about this so much,
Speaker 1: and not about whether or not he should have been president,
Speaker 1: because I know how much it meant to me that
Speaker 1: we had Barack Obama as our president. What I will
Speaker 1: say is it felt divine. It felt like he was
Speaker 1: called when all the odds were against him, there was
Speaker 1: still a path created. I remember, you know, crying and
Speaker 1: begging my congressional boss at the time to endorse him.
Speaker 1: There was a split in the Congressional Black Caucus where
Speaker 1: you know after it. I wasn't the CBC executive director yet,
Speaker 1: but when I became the ED, I learned that Barack
Speaker 1: Obama was hardly active and that a lot of them
Speaker 1: felt like he wasn't very respectful and definitely wasn't deferential
Speaker 1: to them, and that was hard. And then having sat
Speaker 1: in meetings with him and the CBC, it was difficult
Speaker 1: to watch his behavior, including him doodling the entire time
Speaker 1: in a meeting. I walked over to make sure that's
Speaker 1: what he was doing. I went to go look at
Speaker 1: the notepad after he was doodling the entire time the
Speaker 1: members of Congress were talking. And yet when you look
Speaker 1: at who replaced him, you can't help but to understand
Speaker 1: just how presidential he was, and just how much he
Speaker 1: earned that position, and just how much he was overqualified
Speaker 1: when you consider the competition.
Speaker 4: I don't agree with every decision he made.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with the advice that he currently gives
Speaker 1: to people who may one day fill his shoes. I
Speaker 1: don't like his posture on reparations. I don't think that
Speaker 1: we did the right thing on healthcare. I don't think
Speaker 1: we went far enough if we broke or deals with
Speaker 1: insurance companies that are now stabbing the American people in
Speaker 1: the back on healthcare so that they can still make
Speaker 1: handover fist and premiums arising because the Republicans are deciding
Speaker 1: that greed is far more important than the livelihood of
Speaker 1: the American people, our ability to survive. So what I
Speaker 1: think was shortsighted about that administration is just how greedy
Speaker 1: people can be on a bipartisan and nonpartisan level. And
Speaker 1: I think that there were places where progressivism was was
Speaker 1: denied so that they could so that they could yeah
Speaker 1: sidelined is a better word, so that they could be
Speaker 1: deemed as acceptable. And still he wasn't accepted right. So
Speaker 1: it's like, at what cost If you're going to have
Speaker 1: this super majority and this opportunity to do something with
Speaker 1: people who think like you, why not do it? And
Speaker 1: then here's the thing that I also know, working on
Speaker 1: the hill at that time, he really didn't have everyone
Speaker 1: because he had a majority in the House and in
Speaker 1: the Senate.
Speaker 4: He had that in word, but not indeed right.
Speaker 1: And we saw that even with the healthcare fallout, members
Speaker 1: of Congress who voted with him and then lost their seats.
Speaker 1: Even if he had those members or people who were
Speaker 1: willing to risk it, all their constituents weren't.
Speaker 4: And I think that is also important to note.
Speaker 1: And I think it didn't take long for us to
Speaker 1: see just how much this country would turn.
Speaker 4: I want you all to remember, this is my last point.
Speaker 1: The Voting Rights Act since its inception, had always been
Speaker 1: a bipartisan vote, an overwhelming bipartisan vote since nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 1: The moment the tide changed on that is after Barack
Speaker 1: Obama's election. So this country felt like it threw us
Speaker 1: a bone, only to take it back and to do
Speaker 1: it in such a way that it was damn near violent.
Speaker 1: And I think that is the piece that we also
Speaker 1: have to wrestle with. They thought they were giving us something,
Speaker 1: not that they were receiving something from someone who was
Speaker 1: one of ours.
Speaker 4: And I think that is so treacherous.
Speaker 1: And when you look at how far we come, whether
Speaker 1: we talk about the dismantling of affirmative action, of course,
Speaker 1: voting rights, or elements of the Civil Rights Act or EEOC,
Speaker 1: the Department of Education, all the things that were stood
Speaker 1: up to ensure that we would be protected. They're even
Speaker 1: taking ruby bridges off of a coin in the two
Speaker 1: hundred and fiftieth anniversary of this damn country. Right, These
Speaker 1: are the things that we have to wrestle with the why.
Speaker 1: And I still think because of that reason, whether it
Speaker 1: was just the symbolic election of Barack Obama, which again
Speaker 1: I think it was much more than a symbol, I
Speaker 1: think that would have been sufficient.
Speaker 2: Andrew, I appreciate both your points. I do think he should.
Speaker 4: She gonna selected Merrick Garland, though, Okay, keep.
Speaker 7: Going, well, I would double downtap whatever that is, because
Speaker 7: big mistake in my opinion. But that wasn't the only
Speaker 7: big mistake. I think there were a lot of big mistakes.
Speaker 7: I talked sometimes about negotiating against ourselves. I think there
Speaker 7: was a lot of negotiating against what was possible for,
Speaker 7: you know, sort of plausible options. But you know what
Speaker 7: is we reflect on a lot of presidencies. I think
Speaker 7: that can also be said. I don't want to single
Speaker 7: the Obama presidency out for that. I do think it
Speaker 7: was a sim certainly a symbolic presidency, but not transformational.
Speaker 3: And I disagree, but go ahead.
Speaker 7: Symbolism of it was is not to be undermined. It's
Speaker 7: not to be reduced the symbolism of it what it meant.
Speaker 7: And I have to tell you this, and I don't
Speaker 7: know if this is controversial or not, but I actually
Speaker 7: appreciated the symbolism of Michelle Obama as first Lady more
Speaker 7: than I probably appreciated the symbolism of Barack Obama as
Speaker 7: as as president. I think Michelle Obama's presidence there unleashed
Speaker 7: something I think far more lasting in black women in
Speaker 7: our community and black boys, black men too. And again
Speaker 7: we could we could probably debate the ins and outs
Speaker 7: of it. But but even today this moment, I feel
Speaker 7: her presence more lasting as first as as first Lady,
Speaker 7: and what she meant for the country despite all of
Speaker 7: the bulletin arrows that she had to take and intercept
Speaker 7: throughout the campaign and also through throughout the governing. When
Speaker 7: I think about the transformational part of it and what
Speaker 7: was possible the sixty one votes in the US Senate
Speaker 7: and the and the overwhelming Democratic majorities in the House. Remember,
Speaker 7: we didn't get healthcare in those numbers. We had healthcare
Speaker 7: after we fell below that sixty and after we lost
Speaker 7: some seats even in the House. It was the death
Speaker 7: of Kennedy that took us to fifty nine and all
Speaker 7: the dramatics that happened around that because the President had
Speaker 7: set up to this point that we would only pass
Speaker 7: healthcare with a sixty plus and a bipartisan way, with
Speaker 7: a sixty plus majority in the US Senate. And that's
Speaker 7: when Nancy came in and said, you said sixty, I
Speaker 7: say fifty one, and then began all the negotiations and
Speaker 7: antits that got us to the version of healthcare that
Speaker 7: we ultimately got. But before we even got to a
Speaker 7: bill on paper, there were huge negotiations that didn't include
Speaker 7: the American people that took away all the possibilities before
Speaker 7: we got to what was possible. And that's really one
Speaker 7: of the things that really sticks in my crawl about
Speaker 7: the transformational or the lack of the transformational at that time.
Speaker 7: And it wasn't just that there were lots of policy pieces,
Speaker 7: not to mention the appointments pieces. I still maintain that
Speaker 7: had Barack Obama nominated a black woman to the Supreme
Speaker 7: Court as his last last and that last final year,
Speaker 7: that we would have had a we would have had
Speaker 7: a black woman on the US Supreme Court. The fact
Speaker 7: that Mayor Garland could not muster even the support of
Speaker 7: white men moderates to be part of the base of
Speaker 7: of his of his appointment, and nobody else in the
Speaker 7: country happened to be excited about him.
Speaker 2: There was no rallying cry for his appointment.
Speaker 7: We would never have allowed, I think the Republicans, nor
Speaker 7: do I believe they would have had the audacity to
Speaker 7: steal a black woman seat on the Supreme Court quite
Speaker 7: the way they did a white man, a moderate white man, with.
Speaker 2: Very little support quite frankly from the country.
Speaker 7: These are obviously, what do you call it, backseat quarterback
Speaker 7: observations are making we couldn't. Nobody could have known these
Speaker 7: things in the moment. Even though I felt very strongly
Speaker 7: about a black woman appointment appointed and that last appointment,
Speaker 7: I wouldn't change the election of Barack Obama.
Speaker 2: I think its symbolism was important, but mostly the coupled
Speaker 2: symbolism I think was important. But the transformation, the losing
Speaker 2: of seven hundred plus legislative seats around the country that
Speaker 2: threw us into a ridiculous redistricting process where we lost
Speaker 2: a far more than what I think we could have
Speaker 2: and should have gained. There are just a lot of
Speaker 2: clawbacks that.
Speaker 7: Came with that, that came with that moment of history
Speaker 7: that I sometimes wonder if it was worth it from
Speaker 7: a political policy standpoint, And I probably will come down
Speaker 7: on the side that from political policy, probably not from
Speaker 7: a symbolic perspective, probably, so I'm split on it. But
Speaker 7: nonetheless I'm I'm very much so proud that that Barack
Speaker 7: Obama was able to break that ceiling, and hopefully the
Speaker 7: next opportunity that we have will take us, you know,
Speaker 7: twice as far, you know as his.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: The one thing that I hope we get from this
Speaker 1: as a people, though, is that even when we elect
Speaker 1: a leader who looks like us and things like us
Speaker 1: in many ways, we still have an obligation to make demands,
Speaker 1: to have requirements, and to make our requests known.
Speaker 4: We took such an approach. I mean, like.
Speaker 1: Literally, I got half hate mail from racist at the
Speaker 1: Congressional Black Caucus and half hate mail from black people.
Speaker 4: Don't you say nothing about the president? The saving Sea
Speaker 4: should not be challenging Barack Obama. Y'all had that conversation quietly.
Speaker 1: It's like their role is actually to push policy that
Speaker 1: isn't the best interests of their constituents.
Speaker 7: And we have this on that show Angela early on,
Speaker 7: and anytime we would have a critique, it was like,
Speaker 7: we don't need to do that, but I think we
Speaker 7: definitely need to do it.
Speaker 3: Out Like, I think that the critique is fair. I
Speaker 3: think the critique, though, as you said, is a lot
Speaker 3: in hindsight, because I think that you I think that
Speaker 3: if you look at Barack Obama's presidency, like repealing Don't Ask,
Speaker 3: Don't Tell, Lily led Better, Wall Street Reform, right, if
Speaker 3: you look at the Affordable Care Act, I mean, the
Speaker 3: list kind of goes on and on and on with
Speaker 3: some of the things. I mean, he saved he saved Michigan,
Speaker 3: like he said, he saved the auto industry. Those things
Speaker 3: are real policy changes. Now the question is now, what
Speaker 3: what what if you somebody, somebody's gonna be in the comments,
Speaker 3: what did he do for black folk? Right? So, I
Speaker 3: hear you, and I do think that Mary Garland was
Speaker 3: a horrible choice. I don't think Mitch mcconnall was going
Speaker 3: to give us a seat, but I do wish that
Speaker 3: he would have gone out with a p y oh
Speaker 3: to help Tillory tremendously. So, but I get all those things.
Speaker 3: I think that I think that we judge Barack Obama
Speaker 3: through the lens of Donald Trump in two ways. The
Speaker 3: first is Donald Trump. With this president, she has shown
Speaker 3: you what is possible. He has shown you that there
Speaker 3: that anything the president wants to do, he can do it.
Speaker 3: Presidential presidential power largely goes unchecked. The president is willing
Speaker 3: to break those things. That's first. And on the flip
Speaker 3: side of it, I use Barack Obama as a symbol
Speaker 3: all the time he was editor in chief of the
Speaker 3: Law Review. He had to be, you know, the top
Speaker 3: tenth of one percent in order to be elected president
Speaker 3: of the United States, And I wouldn't hire Donald Trump
Speaker 3: to run a McDonald's right. And so I just think
Speaker 3: that there are a few lenses that we look at
Speaker 3: Barack Obama through, through the lens of Donald Trump. And
Speaker 3: I also think that if Hillary Clinton would have gotten
Speaker 3: elected like she should have gotten elected, then Barack Obama's
Speaker 3: legacy is probably shiny er because some of those things
Speaker 3: that we're talking about would have been strengthened, preserved, et cetera.
Speaker 3: YadA YadA YadA. So life is funny, man, and politics
Speaker 3: is funny. But I am I'm proud of Barry. Barry
Speaker 3: could have done more. I'm more proud of Celli. Oh
Speaker 3: and those things. They raised an amazing family in the
Speaker 3: White House under the glare of all those.
Speaker 4: Things, with their mama. And here move moved her mama
Speaker 4: right on.
Speaker 3: In there, missus, miss Robinson, may may she rest in power.
Speaker 7: Well, I wouldn't hire Donald Trump to run an errand.
Speaker 7: But the truth is is Barack Obama probably you know,
Speaker 7: he really did initiate the ex not initiate because the presidents,
Speaker 7: all presidents try to expand power, but he expanded presidential
Speaker 7: power while he was president.
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't remember much of the ex Everyone, every.
Speaker 7: Every one of them has sought to expand the power
Speaker 7: of the office. Those drone strikes that were very contentious
Speaker 7: during the time, mostly on the left.
Speaker 2: A lot of the folks on the.
Speaker 6: Left were highly critical of of Quite frankly, while Donald
Speaker 6: Trump may be doing it with soldiers, Barack was doing
Speaker 6: it with you know, with flights and drones to.
Speaker 7: Take out UH leaders. We also including Latin Well, not that.
Speaker 3: I was I want to mention that in my list
Speaker 3: of accomplishments, I was going to say that he probably
Speaker 3: had one of the greatest foreign foreign policy accomplishments with
Speaker 3: the killing of Osama bin Laden, that any president's had
Speaker 3: in recent history.
Speaker 7: He also deported more people than any president in the
Speaker 7: collection up to that point. I'm not citing that. I'm
Speaker 7: not citing that as a negative or positive. I'm simply
Speaker 7: saying at during his presidency heat well, it isn't.
Speaker 2: I just wasn't making the point for that reason.
Speaker 7: I was making the point to say that he didn't
Speaker 7: often wait on an invitation or license for certain things.
Speaker 7: He also showed hubris in the offices as well, and
Speaker 7: I think in some ways his lived experience probably not
Speaker 7: being a black man from the traditional South unleashed his
Speaker 7: license in ways that I think would have constrained a
Speaker 7: traditional African American from the traditional geopolitical South serving an
Speaker 7: in office. I think his lived experience, how he now
Speaker 7: that is.
Speaker 3: Now that's a fact. I mean, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: being yeah, no, no, no, no, no, that's a whole hearted fact.
Speaker 3: Not going to an HBCU. Being raised in the way
Speaker 3: that he was raised in Kansas, in Hawaii, not not
Speaker 3: the traditional South. You know, all of those things are true.
Speaker 3: I do think though he had more formidable foes and allies.
Speaker 3: For the best example I can give you is that
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody would say that Chuck Schumer is
Speaker 3: nearly as formidable a foe as Mitch McConnell was when
Speaker 3: he was absolutely not.
Speaker 7: Is he a friend?
Speaker 2: Does Harry Reid?
Speaker 3: Nor is? And I'm going to say that you, I mean,
Speaker 3: the constraints that that that Barack Obama had were their
Speaker 3: names were Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: just that, that is, and those were more formidable figures
Speaker 3: than we have today. I'll wrap up my comments on
Speaker 3: this just just this week Mike, I mean, Mark Kelly
Speaker 3: said that we no longer have three branches of government.
Speaker 4: John Bayner too.
Speaker 3: That's true, formidable, But but Mark Kelly said, we no
Speaker 3: longer have three branches of government because the House of
Speaker 3: Representatives and Republicans succeeded their power. Barack Obama at least
Speaker 3: operated under three co equal branches of government, which can But.
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court is also helping these three co equal
Speaker 1: branches of government disappear.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing I was going to bring up.
Speaker 1: We're talking about him utilizing or over utilizing presidential power.
Speaker 1: He tried to make a recess appointment to the Labor
Speaker 1: Relations Board that the Supreme Court at the time said
Speaker 1: he could not do constitutionally. This Supreme Court is telling
Speaker 1: Donald Trump forget the constitution. You know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, but but guess what we can trace
Speaker 7: back the makeup of the Supreme Court decisions made administration.
Speaker 3: Well they weren't they weren't his decision though, And this
Speaker 3: way the people get old. But no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: ruthber Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a problem. And people on
Speaker 3: the left do not like me to say that out loud.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, everybody retired.
Speaker 2: Anybody knows that.
Speaker 4: And I got a picture with her.
Speaker 2: Forms the pressure brought to bear.
Speaker 3: I gotta go, I gotta go get some ice cream.
Speaker 2: You bought this up.
Speaker 3: I brought it up because it was a good topic.
Speaker 3: I want you to It's still.
Speaker 4: A good topic. But we don't all agree.
Speaker 1: And it's nuanced, right, it's very nuanced. And and no.
Speaker 3: We're not afraid to criticize a black man, which you
Speaker 3: should be able to do. And you should be able
Speaker 3: to hold people accountable who we vote for and challenge.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's what love looks like. And how you're gonna
Speaker 4: get better if we don't do that.
Speaker 3: Well, my kids have nut egg and shell fish allergy.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to pick up Happy Happy Birthday, SAYI stokely.
Speaker 3: I'm going to pick up a ice cream cake to
Speaker 3: celebrate their life. I would be nothing without them. Although
Speaker 3: I love Angela and Andrew, Angela more than Andrew slightly.
Speaker 3: Uh but but shout out to everyone. Thank you for
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